Licence question

[Dragon]

SOOOOOOO

Can anyone tell me the difference between the learner and restricted Motorbike licence because all I can think of is the fact that the learner Licence has to have an L plate.


They've removed the 80km speed limit

Hours are the same as on the restricted licence 10pm-5am

Neither can tow or have pillions

Whats the point in having a restricted licence just means you have to spend an extra 6months before you can get your full

I am baffled

Also isnt the main reason to have people go through licences so that they can get road time and expirence in different conditions

I've got almost 8years of driving expirence in a car and while riding is slightly different it doesnt change the fact I have alot of road time and know how to handle alot of situations

Also I know how to drive/ride at night why would me being on a learner bike licence suddenly strip that skill from me ?

Actually I prefer riding late at night I just feel calmer and theres less cars around etc though I tend to ride alittle faster then I should at times opps

Sorry for the rant

And while im on my Learner licence because I thought it was time to get legal im pretty sure im clocking up alot more kms and doing more advanced riding then most 16yr olds are

Makes me think I should just risk riding something bigger, Maybe they need to bring out restrictions to car drivers on licences lower then the full licence

[willytheekid]

SOOOOOOO

1.Whats the point in having a restricted licence just means you have to spend an extra 6months before you can get your full

2.I am baffled

3.Also isnt the main reason to have people go through licences so that they can get road time and expirence in different conditions

4.Makes me think I should just risk riding something bigger, Maybe they need to bring out restrictions to car drivers on licences lower then the full licence

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...lions-in-fines

1.not much point at all...just clock up thousands of fines and the Govn't will eventually wipe your fines under the "to difficult to follow up with" act
2.So are we all!! (But were just tax paying morons that need to be kept in line and kept quiet...shhhh...your thinking again!)
3.you would think so aye...but apparently all you need is money!...absolutely no skill or real training required to operate a motor vehicle in this country...its only speed that kills!
4.see point 1...and just go for it!...they will thank you for the donations/revenue and if you keep it up...they'll just wipe your fines

SOOOOO...If you make an effort to ride safe and adhere to the law...you WILL be punished to the full letter of the law for any minor indescretions (4k over!) and then treated like the criminal scum you are! (Usually by someone on a power trip and has the IQ of a tomatoe)
....OR...If you decide to say "FUCK IT"...and just disregard all road laws and put as many other innocents at risk as possible....the govn't will just let you off scott free and let the rest of us cover your fines and damage's


Its not that hard to see the problem with our roads is it!...but its MUCH easier and cheaper for the Govt to just ignore blatent facts and common sense, and just lower as many speed limits as possble to caterer for the lowest & dumbest donominator!

...welcome to the NZ way!...fucked up aint it

[jellywrestler]

I've got almost 8years of driving expirence in a car and while riding is slightly different it doesnt change the fact I have alot of road time and know how to handle alot of situations

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

[FJRider]

Can anyone tell me the difference between the learner and restricted Motorbike licence because all I can think of is the fact that the learner Licence has to have an L plate.

The L plate is to warn ALL other road users .. that YOU are a total NOOB on a motorcycle.

And no matter what you think ... nobody really gives a fuck what a NOOB thinks on the matter ... because they are a NOOB. And what do NOOBS know anyway.

end of rant

[Phantom Limb]

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

This.
I too drove cars for years, hell I raced the friggin things so I thought my general motor vehicle competence was pretty epic..... Those first few months on a motorcycle however left me the proverbial fish out of water.

Yes as an experienced driver you should know the road rules and how you should respond in emergency situations, only problem is, no one told your bike that! Motorcycles are poles apart from cars in terms of the way they operate on the street. So my advice is suck it up and keep learning, being fast tracked to a full license is only going to get you in shit faster.

[Skiwi]

you've answered your own question with the ignorance highlighted in red

Caught my eye too..
+1

[Scuba_Steve]

This.
I too drove cars for years, hell I raced the friggin things so I thought my general motor vehicle competence was pretty epic..... Those first few months on a motorcycle however left me the proverbial fish out of water.

Yes as an experienced driver you should know the road rules and how you should respond in emergency situations, only problem is, no one told your bike that! Motorcycles are poles apart from cars in terms of the way they operate on the street. So my advice is suck it up and keep learning, being fast tracked to a full license is only going to get you in shit faster.

yes it is alot different, but then his point remains valid too. The restricted is pointless waste of money, the learners is where he should be learning the bike/road & they way they interact, the restricted offers nothing it is just profit for the Govt as he should either be able to ride (full) or be learning (learners) it's not like a car where you start with someone with you teaching you the way. Bikes you're always "on your own" so to speak so you're either learning or you're not.

[Dragon]

Caught my eye too..
+1

Sorry I guess I walked into that one, What I was trying to express was the fact that its the same basic setup they both have brakes and a throttle, gears etc

yes the handling on a bike is different but knowledge you gain from driving a car on the road is usefull as it allows you to see potential situations etc.

IVe riden without a licence before and now that im doing it the right way im fustrated

I got back onto a 250 because I wanted to ease back into it.

Just a heads up I actually am one of the few people that pay fines beleive it or not

Ive paid 8k worth off since 2008 and tbh I dont want to get more if I can help it

Note 4k of them where clocked up by my stepbrother borrowing one of my cars without asking while I was at work (a project car which had no wof or reg I might add ffs)

and 2k where from an ex mate using my temp licence claiming to be me

Im just trying to say the system is screwed

Or are people commenting that a 17year old that has driven a car on the road for the year would be just as fresh to riding a bike as a 17 year old that has never had a licence?

Ive broken the driving laws a few times (not going to say I havent) however most of the time im not a risk to the general public and I have grown up alot in the last few years and try keep to the track

I am expecting some flack for this post but please realize I am not new to bikes and while I know I am getting my confidence back im thinking that another 20months is going to drive me nuts

[Phantom Limb]

yes it is alot different, but then his point remains valid too. The restricted is pointless waste of money, the learners is where he should be learning the bike/road & they way they interact, the restricted offers nothing it is just profit for the Govt as he should either be able to ride (full) or be learning (learners) it's not like a car where you start with someone with you teaching you the way. Bikes you're always "on your own" so to speak so you're either learning or you're not.

OH YUP,
The restricted period is a right confusing mess, you're right. A rider should be considered either a novice or capable of handling their machine, not sure what this restricted middle ground is supposed to accomplish. I say novice because a rider is always 'learning' regardless of their license.

[unstuck]

The L plate is to warn ALL other road users .. that YOU are a total NOOB on a motorcycle.

And no matter what you think ... nobody really gives a fuck what a NOOB thinks on the matter ... because they are a NOOB. And what do NOOBS know anyway.

end of rant

Better get my eyes checked, I kept seeing BOOB(S) in that post.

[Dragon]

Better get my eyes checked, I kept seeing BOOB(S) in that post.

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

[oneofsix]

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

I give them more room but one guy pissed me off by admitting he "tests" them. His logic being they need to learn to handle the "pressure". Other think they can bluff an L-plater or force their way.

[FJRider]

I don't know about you guys but is it just me or as soon as you put an L plate on the back people treat you like you know nothing etc and just do stupid things around you

Which part of ... you are, and you do ... do YOU not understand. Maybe if you get past puberty ... you might understand. If you live that long.

[Skiwi]

There are three distinct parts to this thread.

1-Road craft
Yes you can learn some road craft from driving a car that is useful when you transition to a bike. BUT there are extra hazards you need to factor in

2-Bike craft
Car driving teaches you nothing beyond the basic concept of getting a hunk a machinery to move you in a desired direction.

3-Regulations.
Pfft! Don't get me started, we get what is designed for cage drivers poorly massaged to sort of fit bikes.

IMHO
Learners equals theory and basic handling course.
Restricted = lose the L plate and remove the hour restrictions
Full = cart blanc

[Coolz]

Your argument about going from a car to a bike and already knowing the rules could be used by a 16yo going from a pushie to a car. In both cases there is a big learning curve ahead.