Fuel Prices to double.

[Dafe]

This sucks. I've just heard from a manager at the local BP outlet that BP NZ have predicted the fuel prices will double by christmas this year.
Yep, $3 a litre by the end of the year! :stoogie:

Maybe those 150cc bikes aren't such a bad thing!!!

[Aitch]

This sucks. I've just heard from a manager at the local BP outlet that BP NZ have predicted the fuel prices will double by christmas this year.
Yep, $3 a litre by the end of the year! :stoogie:

Maybe those 150cc bikes aren't such a bad thing!!!


All that GST.......maybe they'll drop the excise tax on gas now..... :rofl:

[Bonez]

This sucks. I've just heard from a manager at the local BP outlet that BP NZ have predicted the fuel prices will double by christmas this year.
Yep, $3 a litre by the end of the year! :stoogie:

Maybe those 150cc bikes aren't such a bad thing!!!






oh well stuff the 250rs and out with the C50. Starting to feel like Magilla Gorilla- the oldies will him. :scooter:

[Dafe]

Maybe it's time for the HONDA MONKEY!!!

[Marknz]

yea, cost me $18 and change to fill the Storm yesterday... kin ell!

[Bonez]

Maybe it's time for the HONDA MONKEY!!!I hear they are well suited for long distance riding. Two did last years Coast to Coast in a very stately manner.

[oldfart]

In Feb - Sept 2000, there was a new Challenge service station opened in Te Atatu Nth. Set off a price for 6 months. 91 was 73c l :no:

[k14]

What puzzles me is that while 96 and 91 have gone up like 30 cents this year. The race fuel I use for my RS has stayed at $1.75 since the start of this year. So do they have a way bigger profit margin on that? Or are they just reaming us and inflating the prices unnecessarily.

[Teflon]

Cost of living will be on the rise to.

[Slipstream]

Just been studying economics for the past year and learning about opportunity costs etc....

What's gonna happen when people can't afford petrol anymore and they need their vehicles...

Example: Mother of 2 has limited money. Child one goes to school, child 2 goes to child care. Mother wants to improve monetry situation by getting learned up.... to do this Mother studys during time children go school/childcare. To do this, children need to be dropped off by car...buses aren't an option due to locations of everything.
If mother can't afford petrol, mother will not be able to get both children and herself to anywhere on time. Extra childcare for both children is not an option either.

and this is only one example. What about those who live not only far away from their workplaces, but in different trainlines/bus routes.

What are the government going to do about the loss of jobs and children going to school? Some buses need to run on desiel, are bus tickets going to increase too?

BTW...I know I'm a bit slow at the moment....but why, exactly, are the petrol prices rising? Is NZ's dollar not worth much? Is their not enough petrol to go around? Is someone just being greedy?

Bring on the Minority Report cars I say....

[Bonez]

Just been studying economics for the past year and learning about opportunity costs etc....

What's gonna happen when people can't afford petrol anymore and they need their vehicles...

Beleive it or not humans a quite adaptable beings and will/do adapt to changes in curcumstances.........

[WINJA]

$3 SUITS ME FINE, I HAVE A FUEL CARD I DONT PAY FOR , MY BIKE USES FUK ALL GAS , AND IT MIGHT STOP SOME PEOPLE USING THE ROADS.
IN FACT I THINK THE SHOULD MAKE IT $3.50 A LITRE AND SCRAP REGOS AND RUC , THAT WAY YOU CANT NOT PAY THAT TAX. EXPEVSIVE FUEL HITS BOATIES TOO GOOD THING CAUSE THOSE FUCKERS PAY NOTHING FOR WHAT THEY GET IN THE WAY OF COASTGUARDS AND SHIT

[Slipstream]

Beleive it or not humans a quite adaptable beings and will/do adapt to changes in curcumstances.........

Yeah I know that .... but I was just starting to enjoy my life again .... I don't mind change, but why does it have to be so much in 1 year :oi-grr:

[Pixie]

Beleive it or not humans a quite adaptable beings and will/do adapt to changes in curcumstances.........
I don't care about yumans, I'm a biker and need cheap gas :crybaby:

[inlinefour]

I watched a doco on Discovery. They stated that there IS NOT a oil crisis at all. Back when the petrol prices where very low (cant remember what year) and the market was flooded the production compainies decided to restrict oil production to raise the price. This has continued to present day, yet they are making the excuse of lack of oil. However the doco stated that this was not the case and at any time production could be increased, however this was unlikely as it would also cause the prices to drop. I for one will be riding my mountian bike much more should the stiuation continue to worsen without reasonable cause :violin:

[Bonez]

I don't care about yumans, I'm a biker and need cheap gas :crybaby:
May I suggest try eating a few onions.

[N4CR]

Yeah inlinefour has nailed it right on the head - there ain't a shortage. Blame the corrupt 'free' superpower controlled by oil kingpins who extort everyone. (Hate that craphole soooo much sometimes :mad: )

Really pisses me off when this stuff happens, Oil has such a large stranglehold on day to day life that if you control oil you control life. Plain and simple.

If this does get to $3 I am seriously considering ethanol (free fuel anyone ;) ) when they figure out how to make it stable while sitting in the tank, or i'll just mix it with small amounts of petrol etc.

[Brian d marge]

As I jokinlg mensioned in some other threads Ethonol 85 (http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/)

you can mix it in any quantity with gas, can be made from almost anything fermentable ,,,and I ride an Enfield ,,that was designed to run on pool petrol,,,yehaaa ..and does increadable km/l ...AND is 7k new ,,,, oh and the price of spares ,,,cheap... ( oops off on a tangent again sorry )

Ethonol ...At the mo it would be getting the stuff to ferment on a regular basis would be the prob ...( Mow yer lawn Missus ???)

but If I used my Enfield regulary as per usual .. would need 5 litres a week ,,possibly less ,,, Some people I know make the same amount to drink !!!

Just me Internet I would be worried about ,,,and some vital part that can only be made with petrolium other that that ,,,do i need petrolium,,,nope not that I could see...

Just means I have to get out of bed earlier on sat ,,to make me white lightnin....err Ethonol !! officer honest :hbd::rofl:

Stephen

[TLDV8]

This is out of date but gives an idea..lower part of the bar is fuel cost,top is tax.

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/Steve_TLS/Misc/oecd_prices.gif>

[Brian d marge]

WOW ..u would be Sc%&'' ed if you lived in Finland FFinland ( the country Id like to be,,,,)
And Japan is 1/2 tax ..thats good ..as our gas is a cheap as $%&''(( I fill up the Ellesion ( about 40 litres or so ) and it costs me about 5000 yen ,,,
to put that in perspective ,,2 bits of chicken and a ceazar salad and three stubbies of dark alr was 3100 yen ...a bottle of cheap auzzie plonk 980 yen ....that was the cost of a nite out ( friday ) which was quite cheap ...

So we fill the car up once every 2 or three weeks ,,,wow remove the tax and it would be cheaper than water ,,,( 330ml 120 yen )

Stephen

[Coyote]

I was thinking last night that motorsports will be the first to have to stop using petrol as everyone will believe they aren't nessersary and fuel should be saved for the public. Since Hydrogen powered engines are heavy and wouldn't make good high performance vehicles, and electric vehicles need a shit load of batteries weighing it down also, most motorsports might be likely to turn to Nitro Methane :devil2:

How much does a litre of Nitro Methane go for nowadays?

[InDeSkyz]

Some links on rising petrol etc

http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_prices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_spike_in_the_price_of_oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions

[hazard02]

Maybe those 150cc bikes aren't such a bad thing!!!

FXR150 's for all!!

[yobbosayyo]

That point about the oil companies controlling prices is an interesting one. Using that logic prices will keep increasing until demand starts decreasing, and I don't think there's any sign of that yet.

The other point I thought of is that if prices are destined to keep increasing (peak oil and all that), all the money we are spending on roads is a very poor investment. Few people will be able to afford to use them.

I reckon it should be public transport/push bikes/feet for commuting, and internal combustion engines for recreation

[Brian d marge]

That point about the oil companies controlling prices is an interesting one. Using that logic prices will keep increasing until demand starts decreasing, and I don't think there's any sign of that yet.

The other point I thought of is that if prices are destined to keep increasing (peak oil and all that), all the money we are spending on roads is a very poor investment. Few people will be able to afford to use them.

I reckon it should be public transport/push bikes/feet for commuting, and internal combustion engines for recreation


Thats a good point,,,,,I wonder if it has been pointed out to the powers that be ...which would make Rail / Bus/ alt fuel ...a better investment ,,,,So why then are they investing in roading ??? ( I mean that was a quite obvious point ( a very good point which I hadnt thought of )....
AHH someone is make MONEY ,,,,,follow the money trail ,,there lies the answer ,,,

Stephen

[parsley]

yea, cost me $18 and change to fill the Storm yesterday... kin ell!
Still bugger all compared to a cage. :rofl:

[onearmedbandit]

Yup, costs me $125 to fill my cage.

[froggyfrenchman]

hmmmmmm.looks like its time to register 1 of them 49cc pocket bikes

[Sensei]

Looks like I'll have to hook up with my mate who Flys . $ 1.30 per l for Avgas :clap:

[750Y]

holy shit! my ute cost me $91 to fill up the other day 8-(.
People are gonna feel the pinch pretty soon.
Brisbane & the Goldcoast is looking better every single day.

[Ixion]

holy shit! my ute cost me $91 to fill up the other day 8-(.
People are gonna feel the pinch pretty soon.
Brisbane & the Goldcoast is looking better every single day.

$106 to fill the Pajero. And that wasn't from dead empty. Good thing Li'l Ratty does 80 mpg. Still only $14 for a week's communtering

[Lou Girardin]

I've figured that fuel will cost us an extra $500.00 per year for the cage and bike.
I don't like it, but I can live with it.
I'm more concerned that the oil companies are clearly ripping us off. You can expect an increase in their profits with price rises, because that is how business practice works, but a 138% increase for one oil company is obscene.
It's time the Govt treated oil supply as an essential service and threatened price control.
After all, what are the oil companies going to do? Close down and leave?
Not very likely.

[bugjuice]

BTW...I know I'm a bit slow at the moment....but why, exactly, are the petrol prices rising? Is NZ's dollar not worth much? Is their not enough petrol to go around? Is someone just being greedy?
the threat of attacks in Iraq etc is putting the price per barrel up. At the moment, it's about US$60+. At the end of the year, it's rumoured to be near on US$80+ which means gas will be in excess of $2pl. It's then rumoured that with in another 6 months or so, it'll be $3. So the idea of being double the price in 4 months time is a little hard to swollow..

It's basically all the wars going on. Not the idea that we're running out. For some reason, the workers, who have worked there for ages, now want more money to do the same thing they've done for years, cos there's fighting going on near their place. In fact, the workers probably don't even know it's gone up. It's the greedy managers! They control the world financially. Forget the banks or the government. The one who pumps the oil, holds the world. Shouldn't be that way, but it is, and it sucks the big one. And what can we do about it? pretty much SFA. :violin:

[danb]

For what it costs at the moment to fill my cage up will equal or near the price to fill my bike up in 6 months time if this expected price comes. - That’s going to hurt.

[Slipstream]

And what can we do about it? pretty much SFA. :violin:

Well this is exactly what I was thinking....what can we do about it....but shure as heck, our economy is going to majorly suffer....I wreckon we could be heading into another 'Depression' just because of fuel prices :(

[bugjuice]

Well this is exactly what I was thinking....what can we do about it....but shure as heck, our economy is going to majorly suffer....I wreckon we could be heading into another 'Depression' just because of fuel prices :(
well it's working.. I'm depressed about fuel/oil pricing..

[eliot-ness]

Latest oil prices. $68 dollars a barrel so not far to go fo the $80 forecast. Strange thing is though, in a years time the prices will be accepted as normal The rush to buy smaller cars will die off and we'll all be pleased when the gas prices drop a few cents.
NZ has been lucky so far. The UK is a major oil producer and exporter but still they have one of the highest petrol prices. NZ on the other hand produces no oil and being a small user has to buy on the 'spot market' at much higher prices than quoted. Not having an efficient; subsidised public transport system is the real problem. Cars and bikes are essential here, pricing them off the road would mean chaos as people rushed to buy homes nearer their employment, as in London or any other major city. House prices would rise beyond the means of the ordinary worker so wages would have to rise correspondingly creating a spiralling inflation rate. As it did with tobacco, the government will only allow prices to increase to a certain level. When the tax take begins to drop prices will level off and whatever party is in power will take the credit.
So, what looks like blatant profiteering is just an artificial means of controlling oil usage without losing money, something the oil companies and governments have been doing since the birth of the combustion engine. Using less fuel will only serve to push prices even higher. The only hope is that NZ, Australia, South Africa etc find massive amounts of oil and can afford to extract it without the USA taking control. (but then they might send the troops in to save us from Don Brash or Helen Clarke.)
As for oil running out. I first heard that in 1959 when petrol was rationed in the UK.

[TwoSeven]

Dont forget that the $68 buy price doesnt include the refining cost - US oil costs about $10 to refine per barrel, so you are looking at $78 for the cost of the refined product. The refining cost varies per country which is why you see a real deviation in prices. For some countries it can be as low as $5 per barrel.