Sadly we've decided to sell our beloved MX5

[Edbear]

Yeah, I know it's not a bike but it is the next best thing and is the best fun you can have on four wheels on the road. :sunny:

However we have to be realistic and we haven't been using it very much of late as it is very low to get in and out of and not the best thing for my back these days. Mrs. Bear is also feeling her age, (:shutup:), and while still enjoying the drive as I do, is hankering after a more practical vehicle that is easier to get in and out of.

So reluctantly we have decided to put it on the market and see what interest there might be so I'm putting it on KB first.
It is a 1994 1800 manual, Series 1, the NA, and arguably the best of them all. Has the chassis upgrade to improve the handling and the 1800 motor gives a lot more torque for road driving.

Cambelt and water pump were done, wheels and tyres are upgraded 15" alloys and have 90% tread. Soft top is average but still doesn't need replacing. Extra's are MOMO sterring wheel and pedals, front and rear spoilers, chrome sill plates.

Goes fast, drinks slow, (37mpg), and you have to experience the handling and steering to believe it!

It is in average to tidy condition, and we have looked after it. It always flies through a WoF with the only thing needed in the last couple of years, a side-light bulb. I have a new oil filter and 4lt Castrol Magnatec for its next service that can go with the car. No air-con as I removed the pump, saving about 15kg in the nose and swapped in a Shorai battery in the boot, saving 11kg there. Everything else works fine.

Oh, price..? We'll ask $6,900, it is ready to go and only needs a cut and polish, which we'll do soon.

[Sable]

I always knew you were some kind of closeted homo. An MX5, shit. Why did you remove the A/C pump, really? As far as standalone performance mods go it's pretty fucking retarded.

[Madness]

Does it come with the seat covers?

:sick:

[Owl]

Good thing you're selling it in Summer Ed, as the battery will be fucked come Winter:facepalm:. Bring back the air-con!:headbang:

[Edbear]

I always knew you were some kind of closeted homo. An MX5, shit. Why did you remove the A/C pump, really? As far as standalone performance mods go it's pretty fucking retarded.

Speaking of retarded....


Does it come with the seat covers?

:sick:

Only if you love them...


Good thing you're selling it in Summer Ed, as the battery will be fucked come Winter:facepalm:. Bring back the air-con!:headbang:

After two years with Shorai and over 1,000 batteries sold, with respect, you ar speaking out of your fundamental orifice...

Air-con was not working when we bought it and needed an overhaul which we decided was not worth it. Open-top sports cars don't need air-con.

[Laava]

I always knew you were some kind of closeted homo. An MX5, shit. Why did you remove the A/C pump, really? As far as standalone performance mods go it's pretty fucking retarded.

Katman, is that you?

[Edbear]

Katman, is that you?

Nah, he just competes with Katman for idiot of the year. Not sure who's winning yet... :laugh:

[Blackbird]

He's clearly never driven one in anger Ed <_< . My missus still has her tricked-up Mk 2 and with the RE002 tyres it has fitted, it'll give a bike a good run up the Coro coast road (ahem..... when I'm driving it, that is and my speed governor isn't in the passenger seat :innocent:). Good luck with the sale :Punk:

[bogan]

He's clearly never driven one in anger Ed <_<

He's probably never driven one in woman's underwear either :whistle:

[Nova.]

burn it. seriously.

[Edbear]

He's clearly never driven one in anger Ed <_< . My missus still has her tricked-up Mk 2 and with the RE002 tyres it has fitted, it'll give a bike a good run up the Coro coast road (ahem..... when I'm driving it, that is and my speed governor isn't in the passenger seat :innocent:). Good luck with the sale :Punk:

It would take a very quick and capable rider to get too far ahead of me in the MX5 around a twisty road! If the straight bits were quite short, I wouldn't guarantee a bike would win unless the rider was up there with the top guns.


He's probably never driven one in woman's underwear either :whistle:

What does he normally drive in women's underwear? :confused:

[Madness]

It would take a very quick and capable rider to get too far ahead of me in the MX5 around a twisty road! If the straight bits were quite short, I wouldn't guarantee a bike would win unless the rider was up there with the top guns.

:facepalm:

Careful, Ed. You keep making statements like that & I'll have no option but to bring out the lesbians again. Unless of course you meant that the rider was on a GN125, then we're good.

[bogan]

What does he normally drive in women's underwear? :confused:

Perhaps too subtle? Anyway, you'd probably have more luck selling it at www.kiwihairdresser.co.nz the cornering speed would probably be just as relevant to them :innocent:

[bogan]

:facepalm:

Careful, Ed. You keep making statements like that & I'll have no option but to bring out the lesbians again. Unless of course you meant that the rider was on a GN125, then we're good.

Only two more posts until page two, then it'd be rude not to.

...oops, only one now

[Katman]

It would take a very quick and capable rider to get too far ahead of me in the MX5 around a twisty road! If the straight bits were quite short, I wouldn't guarantee a bike would win unless the rider was up there with the top guns.


Women and now bike riders.

You're just a vertiable weapon, aren't you Ed?

[Str8 Jacket]

Women and now bike riders.

You're just a vertiable weapon, aren't you Ed?

i think the word you're looking for is virtual (weapon) cause on cyber space that's exactly what he is, only he's real :confused:

[Edbear]

:facepalm:

Careful, Ed. You keep making statements like that & I'll have no option but to bring out the lesbians again. Unless of course you meant that the rider was on a GN125, then we're good.

You really should borrow a sports car and take it on a twisty road sometime. You simply don't slow down for corners, you usually accelerate around them to maintain your speed. When you only have 130hp every kilo saved in weight means something. The Honda S2000 has 240hp and around the same weight. Now that is a real road weapon!


Women and now bike riders.

You're just a vertiable weapon, aren't you Ed?

I was getting low on reds so thought you might be along. :whocares: Of course you have never driven one either have you?

[BMWST?]

It would take a very quick and capable rider to get too far ahead of me in the MX5 around a twisty road! If the straight bits were quite short, I wouldn't guarantee a bike would win unless the rider was up there with the top guns.



What does he normally drive in women's underwear? :confused:


after the first overtaking manouvre you would be gone.I know that cars can be vey quick into and round corners but if there is traffic there is no contest. A good bike with a rider that knows the road/overtaking places would win.

[Geeen]

Yeah, I know it's not a bike but it is the next best thing and is the best fun you can have on four wheels on the road.

Bollocks!! I would like to see your overgrown hairdryer keep up with this

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This is my old mans Fraser, 550kg wet with a HiPo 3sge in it, 140ish kw. Or Neil Frasers one that is running an ex Paul Radisich touring car V6

[Madness]

You really should borrow a sports car and take it on a twisty road sometime. You simply don't slow down for corners, you usually accelerate around them to maintain your speed. When you only have 130hp every kilo saved in weight means something. The Honda S2000 has 240hp and around the same weight. Now that is a real road weapon!

:facepalm: I didn't want to have to do this Ed, you bastard.

In my gargre, along with my Kawasaki ZX12-R, is an MX-5. It's Doris's. I have driven it extensively, in anger but not women's underpants.

Now, for the Lesbos... You had your chance.

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[Edbear]

after the first overtaking manouvre you would be gone.I know that cars can be vey quick into and round corners but if there is traffic there is no contest. A good bike with a rider that knows the road/overtaking places would win.

Of course! It would have to be on a *ahem...* private road. But wouldn't it be a hoot? :innocent:

[Edbear]

Bollocks!! I would like to see your overgrown hairdryer keep with this!

This is my old mans Fraser, 550kg wet with a HiPo 3sge in it, 140ish kw. Or Neil Frasers one thahttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/t is running an ex Paul Radisich touring car V6

There's fun and there is serious fun! Regardless of power and pace you would agree how much sheer fun a true sports car is on the road.


:facepalm: I didn't want to have to do this Ed, you bastard.

In my gargre, along with my Kawasaki ZX12-R, is an MX-5. It's Doris's. I have driven it extensively, in anger but not women's underpants.

Now, for the Lesbos... You had your chance.]

And I bet you love driving it too!

[Madness]

And I bet you love driving it too!

I do actually. Manual (of course) Series 1 in BRG with tan leather & 14" minilites :finger:

Could I smoke any half-competent sprots bike rider on a tight twisty road in it? No. And my riding is pretty average by the way, that I can have verified by an independent third party on here if required (Just in case you're going to start telling me I must be Rossi).

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[Geeen]

There's fun and there is serious fun! Regardless of power and pace you would agree how much sheer fun a true sports car is on the road.

!

Yup, shame an MX5 isn't a true sports car. And yes, I have driven many MX5's.

[Edbear]

I do actually. BRG with tan leather & 14" minilites.

Could I smoke any half-competent sprots bike rider on a tight twisty road on it? No. And my riding is pretty average, that I can have verified by an independent third party on here if required (Just in case you're going to start telling me I must be Rossi IMG]

If you recall my comment I didn't say I could smoke a sports bike rider, I said he/she would have to be fairly good to get too far ahead of me. As for my comment about equalling a bike I said "if the straights were short". Around the likes of the Coro the average 250 would gap most sports cars with less than 250hp. Too many straights and hills.

I usually say what I mean, it is others who then exaggerate it...

[Edbear]

Yup, shame an MX5 isn't a true sports car. And yes, I have driven many MX5's.

Your definition of "sports car" is too narrow. The fact that the MX5 has been the world's best selling sports car for the last 20 years means a lot of people all around the world would disagree with you. :bash:

[Edbear]

Oh, PS, I would dearly love a Frazer! :love:

[Madness]

I usually say what I mean, it is others who then exaggerate it...

I know, right :facepalm:

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[onearmedbandit]

Yup, shame an MX5 isn't a true sports car. And yes, I have driven many MX5's.

Actually, being a light 2 door 2 seater with a north south motor running rwd it fits the definition of sports car perfectly.

[bogan]

Actually, being a light 2 door 2 seater with a north south motor running rwd it fits the definition of sports car perfectly.

Hmmm, so does my van then :bleh:

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[Edbear]

i think the word you're looking for is virtual (weapon) cause on cyber space that's exactly what he is, only he's real :confused:

Hey we're all heroes in cyberspace! :yes:

[Nova.]

'sports car' or not, its still one of the ugliest motherfuckers to roam the planet other then Susan Boyle.

[Madness]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bogan again.

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Does it have a hard top, Ed?

[awa355]

'sports car' or not, its still one of the ugliest motherfuckers to roam the planet other then Susan Boyle.


One day Susan is going to look like her mother. 277776 Apparently riding in open top cars can do this if the wind changes direction.

[SMOKEU]

Get it sideways.

[Zedder]

I'm not interested in the car Ed, but may need a new battery soon. Do KB members get any discount off the price of a Shorai?

[Laava]

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Does it have a hard tip, Ed?

Fuck mine does! I love watching lesbians!

[Madness]

Fuck mine does! I love watching lesbians!

Those hard tops are sought after in certain circles.

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Ed, I think you & I need to have a discussion about my commission.

[SVboy]

Yup, shame an MX5 isn't a true sports car. And yes, I have driven many MX5's.

I'll feed the troll-why are MX5s not sports cars?

[SVboy]

'sports car' or not, its still one of the ugliest motherfuckers to roam the planet other then Susan Boyle.

What drugs are you on? Ugly? PS-If you are on drugs-dont share.

[Edbear]

'sports car' or not, its still one of the ugliest motherfuckers to roam the planet other then Susan Boyle.

You're looking in your mirror you idiot! :laugh:



Does it have a hard top, Ed?

Nup.


Get it sideways.

Got it... :shutup:


I'm not interested in the car Ed, but may need a new battery soon. Do KB members get any discount off the price of a Shorai?

I had to stop doing that as it wasn't fair on my dealers who naturally don't want to be competing with the importer. If you don't have a dealer near you I can sell direct.

[Zedder]

I had to stop doing that as it wasn't fair on my dealers who naturally don't want to be competing with the importer. If you don't have a dealer near you I can sell direct.

Fair enough, I'll see what happens at the time then.

[John_H]

I always knew you were some kind of closeted homo. An MX5, shit. Why did you remove the A/C pump, really? As far as standalone performance mods go it's pretty fucking retarded.

You are a complete idiot aren't you.

[Flip]

Because the soft top folds up, in place with the roof irons its technically a convertable.

IMHO MX5's are great wee 'sports cars'. They are easier to live with than a MGB or Midget.

[Edbear]

Because the soft top folds up, in place with the roof irons its technically a convertable.

IMHO MX5's are great wee 'sports cars'. They are easier to live with than a MGB or Midget.

They are what the MGB should have been! Easy to live with is an understatement! The torque means you don't need to change down if you don't feel like it but get the revs up and she flies! Others have more power but are less able to trundle.

It's basic, pure fun with no pretensions to be anything else.

[SVboy]

So those big 3l austin healys are not sports cars because they are soft tops? Too technical forme....

[Edbear]

So those big 3l austin healys are not sports cars because they are soft tops? Too technical forme....

I've always loved those!!! :love:

[Asher]

I would consider them roadsters not sports cars.


ps more lesbians please:shifty:

[SVboy]

So, what is the definition of a sports car?

[BMWST?]

They are what the MGB should have been! Easy to live with is an understatement! The torque means you don't need to change down if you don't feel like it but get the revs up and she flies! Others have more power but are less able to trundle.

It's basic, pure fun with no pretensions to be anything else.


what MG should have been?...not even in the same time line!

[Dangsta]

You really should borrow a sports car and take it on a twisty road sometime. You simply don't slow down for corners, you usually accelerate around them to maintain your speed. When you only have 130hp every kilo saved in weight means something. The Honda S2000 has 240hp and around the same weight. Now that is a real road weapon!



I guess by definition an MX5 is a sports car but if someone offered me a shot of their "sports car" and it was an MX5.......I'd be disappointed. It's a very nice car though and definitely the best performing and handling roadster within its price range. Best of luck with the sale and very decent (and brave) of you to put it on KB..

[Edbear]

I guess by definition an MX5 is a sports car but if someone offered me a shot of their "sports car" and it was an MX5.......I'd be disappointed. It's a very nice car though and definitely the best performing and handling roadster within its price range. Best of luck with the sale and very decent (and brave) of you to put it on KB..

You summed it up nicely. Where can you get this for this kind of money? Name any so-called rival and see how much you have to pay.

I've been on KB since '04. I enjoy the play...

[Madness]

I've been on KB since '04. I enjoy the foreplay...

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[Edbear]

what MG should have been?...not even in the same time line!

Maybe so, but by the time the MGB was failing the Japs were already ahead of the game and offering better build quality, performance and reliability. I do feel sad about it as I wanted an Austin Healey Sprite back then because it wasn't the Midget.

[Edbear]

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Sorry your images don't do it for me. Now, when Mrs. Bear gives me that smile... :shifty:

[SMOKEU]

burn it. seriously.

Apparently dumping vehicles in the sea and claiming insurance is all the rage down south these days.

[Madness]

Sorry your images don't do it for me. Now, when Mrs. Bear gives me that smile... :shifty:

Conversely, I'm mildly confident that Mrs. Bears smile wouldn't do it for me.

[Edbear]

Conversely, I'm mildly confident that Mrs. Bears smile wouldn't do it for me.

She only smiles at me like that so that's okay. However even at her age she gets second looks and men still try chatting her up.

[Edbear]

Apparently dumping vehicles in the sea and claiming insurance is all the rage down south these days.

He's just jealous because he hasn't got much fun in his life. :no:

[Madness]

However even at her age she gets second looks and men still try chatting her up.

They're only after one thing, Ed.































A slightly discounted battery.

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[SMOKEU]

I've been on KB since '04. I enjoy the play...
............................

[Edbear]

They're all only after one thing, Ed.



A slightly discounted battery.

:laugh: :bash: :spanking:

[Asher]

So, what is the definition of a sports car?

not too sure but if some one were to ask me what's a Mazda sports car I would say an rx7/8 not a mx5

[Geeen]

I'll feed the troll-why are MX5s not sports cars?

'Cause they are just machines, albeit good machines. They do nothing to put a smile on your face, have no sense of occasion and ultimately leave you unsatisfied.

[bucket boy]

not too sure but if some one were to ask me what's a Mazda sports car I would say an rx7/8 not a mx5
the mx5 is for bald old men that think they are really great cool cars.

[Nova.]

Apparently dumping vehicles in the sea and claiming insurance is all the rage down south these days.

Is it?, I wouldn't know, I've only done it once :laugh:

[Sable]

the mx5 is for bald old men that think they are really great cool cars.
The last MX5 I saw had a bald old man driving it sipping on a cup of takeaway coffee and wearing raybans, and I recall this because he changed lanes without looking (guess he was too busy thinking about how cool he imagined himself to be, or his boyfriend's cock). It was also white. Couldn't possibly have been you, could it Ed? And I didn't even notice the seat covers, they're real manly

[Sable]

It would take a very quick and capable rider to get too far ahead of me in the MX5 around a twisty road! If the straight bits were quite short, I wouldn't guarantee a bike would win unless the rider was up there with the top guns.

You are so full of shit. Even a competent rider on a 250 would keep up with you fine.

[Edbear]

The trolls are out in force on this thread. :whocares:

[SMOKEU]

You are so full of shit. Even a competent rider on a 250 would keep up with you fine.

I'd like to see that. Bikes just don't go around corners as fast as cars (generally speaking). An MX5 is a very good handling car (in comparison to most other road cars), and it would take a very competent rider on a good bike to out corner an MX5 driven by a good driver on a tight, twisty mountain road.

I'd still rather have a decent sports bike though.

[Edbear]

PS. Re: Seat covers. The car is Mrs. Bear's and if she wants those seat covers in it she is perfectly entitled to have them.

I'm neither bald nor wear RayBans and have never had the car in Wgtn.

[Road kill]

You summed it up nicely. Where can you get this for this kind of money? Name any so-called rival and see how much you have to pay.

I've been on KB since '04. I enjoy the play...

That's the sort of logic that made it the great sales success it was,,,along with Hondas 50cc scooter being the best selling bike of all time.

Unfortunately it totaly misses the fact sportscars and motorcycles are not about the money.

It's also where the logic behind the old joke about fat women being like scooters came from.

Take the money out of the question and suddenly Honda scooters and MX5's become,,,,not so much.

Even if they were fun before your mates saw you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Edbear]

I'd like to see that. Bikes just don't go around corners as fast as cars (generally speaking). An MX5 is a very good handling car (in comparison to most other road cars), and it would take a very competent rider on a good bike to out corner an MX5 driven by a good driver on a tight, twisty mountain road.

I'd still rather have a decent sports bike though.

I tried to have some fun twice on the 600 with an Audi and a Porsche 911. I nearly lost it keeping up with the Audi on one corner and just gave up on the Porsche. Fat feet and four wheel drive corner a lot faster. Not so much of a problem on straights or hills although the Porsche was as quick as me there too. I had to let him go in the end before I did something stupid and died.

The MX5 has bigger and wider sports tyres and the smaller steering wheel sharpens the steering. It corners like a Limpet and you'd be amazed how good it is. As I said, you don't slow down for corners, you gas it to maintain your speed against the drag.

[Flip]

You are so full of shit. Even a competent rider on a 250 would keep up with you fine.

I usually find "the average rider" farking slow on windy roads. Ok bikes get off the mark quickly but they are very slow in the corners, espcially going into the corners.

[Edbear]

That's the sort of logic that made it the great sales success it was,,,along with Hondas 50cc scooter being the best selling bike of all time.

Unfortunately it totaly misses the fact sportscars and motorcycles are not about the money.

It's also where the logic behind the old joke about fat women being like scooters came from.

Take the money out of the question and suddenly Honda scooters and MX5's become,,,,not so much.

Even if they were fun before your mates saw you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

That's where you're wrong. It wasn't sold as a cheap car, seen the price of new? It sold millions because it was a proper sports car that did what people wanted.


I usually find "the average rider" farking slow on windy roads. Ok bikes get off the mark quickly but they are very slow in the corners, espcially going into the corners.

Yup! The Kizashi is nearly as quick around corners and "most" riders are very slow out there. Only the KB select few are good...

[Sable]

I tried to have some fun twice on the 600 with an Audi and a Porsche 911. I nearly lost it keeping up with the Audi on one corner and just gave up on the Porsche. Fat feet and four wheel drive corner a lot faster. Not so much of a problem on straights or hills although the Porsche was as quick as me there too. I had to let him go in the end before I did something stupid and died.


Both of which are twice the car 'your' MX5 will ever be.

[Road kill]

That's where you're wrong. It wasn't sold as a cheap car, seen the price of new? It sold millions because it was a proper sports car that did what people wanted.



Yup! The Kizashi is nearly as quick around corners and "most" riders are very slow out there. Only the KB select few are good...

Compered to a Lambo or other "real sports car" ,,,it's expensive ?

Mate I could afford one new or old,,,that actually makes it CHEAP.

it did what it did,,or does for a price.

Not knocking it for what it is,,,but it's affordability means that compearing it to the more excepted "sports cars" which are "Very expensive" is one of those apples to apples things,,,,,that's all.:innocent:

[Edbear]

Both of which are twice the car 'your' MX5 will ever be.

At five to ten times the price they jolly well should be!


Compered to a Lambo or other "real sports car" ,,,it's expensive ?

Mate I could afford one new or old,,,that actually makes it CHEAP.

it did what it did,,or does for a price.

Not knocking it for what it is,,,but it's affordability means that compearing it to the more excepted "sports cars" which are "Very expensive" is one of those apples to apples things,,,,,that's all.:innocent:

Point taken. :yes:

[Road kill]

I usually find "the average rider" farking slow on windy roads. Ok bikes get off the mark quickly but they are very slow in the corners, espcially going into the corners.

I won't say when,,but I had a Ford Capri once,,,,never came across a bike that could stay with it in the twistys.

If I see a particular type of car in the mirrors now days I'll often pull over,,,,just to admire the view you understand.:laugh:

[Edbear]

I won't say when,,but I had a Ford Capri once,,,,never came across a bike that could stay with it in the twistys.

If I see a particular type of car in the mirrors now days I'll often pull over,,,,just to admire the view you understand.:laugh:

In my street lives an AMG Merc., a Maserati, a mint Model A and their visitors arrive in Bentley's and Ferrari's. Harley's and Gold Wings and a couple of sports bikes are here and attract their own visitors...:sunny:

We get a lot of positive attention in the MX5 cruising around but may be more to do with Mrs. Bear's blonde hair the wind...

[hayd3n]

should be pretty easy to sell
we have a 1997 mx2 r2 limited edition here
fantastic handling!!!! and if i really try i can get it sideways around corners,
missus really want to do this to iit tho

make it a V8 MX5!!!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncfIvMRdSs:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Edbear]

should be pretty easy to sell
we have a 1997 mx2 r2 limited edition here
fantastic handling!!!! and if i really try i can get it sideways around corners,
missus really want to do this to iit tho

make it a V8 MX5!!!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncfIvMRdSs:laugh::laugh::laugh:

There was a Mustang powred one on TM last years not much of the MX5 left though

[Dangsta]

Compered to a Lambo or other "real sports car" ,,,it's expensive ?

Mate I could afford one new or old,,,that actually makes it CHEAP.

it did what it did,,or does for a price.

Not knocking it for what it is,,,but it's affordability means that compearing it to the more excepted "sports cars" which are "Very expensive" is one of those apples to apples things,,,,,that's all.:innocent:

That's a dumb comparison. Lambo's and Ferrari's aren't sports cars, they're in a class called "super-cars" because they're insanely expensive, stupidly fast and pretty exclusive. In my book, there are "cars", "sports cars", "performance cars", "luxury cars", "super cars" and "hyper-cars". Then you get all the sub categories like hot rods, classics, muscle cars, exotics and the like. An MX5 or MR2/MR-S fits into the sports car definition at the lower end of the scale with a Lotus Elise in the midde somewhere and a standard 911 or Aston DB9/DBS towards the top. That's like comparing a Timex to a Tag Heuer.

[BMWST?]

It sold millions because it was a nice little reliable japanese convertible which was cheap compared to the european alternatives.
.

Fixt for the real reason methnks.I am not denying the mx5 is a snappy lil handler but thats not why most bought it

[Edbear]

Fixt for the real reason methnks.I am not denying the mx5 is a snappy lil handler but thats not why most bought it

The big plus with it was/is the incredible steering and handling which was up with any car of any price. Even at 19 years old, our Mk1 is fabulous to drive and at 187,000km can still be driven at the redline in total confidence. No rust and the soft-top is original. Gearbox is sweet and diff is silent. All I've done is replace the rear suspension due to a warn damper. Cost me $160 all up for both sides complete struts fitted! Not new of course but good units from Ross at MX5 Mart.

[scumdog]

If I realised owning a MX5 attracted so many bozos wanting to spout their particular brand of fuckwittery attitude accompanied by their equally inane comments I would have bought one years ago - nay, bought a half dozen of them! :woohoo:

[scumdog]

Both of which are twice the car 'your' MX5 will ever be.

and a lot cheaper too no doubt!:pinch:

[Edbear]

If I realised owning a MX5 attracted so many bozos wanting to spout their particular brand of fuckwittery attitude accompanied by their equally inane comments I would have bought one years ago - nay, bought a half dozen of them! :woohoo:

Obviously people who have owned them for years know nothing about them at all... But KB is the place for expert opinion based on ignorance...

[Laava]

Both of which are twice the car 'your' MX5 will ever be.

Don't you need to be at least 16 to post on this site?

[DEATH_INC.]

There was a Mustang powred one on TM last years not much of the MX5 left though
I've had a play in a customers one with a 302 in it. Looked really stock...till it started.
Not many bikes would stay ahead of that one :laugh:

[DEATH_INC.]

If I realised owning a MX5 attracted so many bozos wanting to spout their particular brand of fuckwittery attitude accompanied by their equally inane comments I would have bought one years ago - nay, bought a half dozen of them! :woohoo:
Yer just jealous it's faster than the harely :Pokey:


(someone had to say it :p )

[BMWST?]

nearly 100 posts and no one has really asked about the actual car...KB in action

[Katman]

nearly 100 posts and no one has really asked about the actual car...KB in action

Maybe it's because most on here realise that it's just a car.

A fucking hairdresser's car, at that.

[Nova.]

Maybe it's because most on here realise that it's just a car.

A fucking hairdresser's car, at that.

being a bit modest their aren't you?

[scumdog]

Maybe it's because most on here realise that it's just a car.

A fucking hairdresser's car, at that.

Sooo... what colour is YOUR MX5?:whistle:

And does the automatic transmission give you much trouble?:shifty:

[Sable]

and a lot cheaper too no doubt!:pinch:

Point being if even old Ed can just about keep up with them on a 600, an MX5 should be no sweat whatsoever.

[SNF]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind an MX5. Chuck in a FE3N, maybe a turbo.

[Katman]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a bum.

Fixed that for you.

[Edbear]

Fixed that for you.

Speaking of bums... :whocares:

[Edbear]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind an MX5. Chuck in a FE3N, maybe a turbo.

I considered powering it up but for most driving it's got enough performance to embarrass most other cars and I guess I'm too old to be bothered modifying a vehicle nowadays. If I want more grunt I'll just buy a gruntier car. :mellow:

[scumdog]

KB:

A place that you can visit to find out how opinionated nincompoops want to dictate how you should run your life...<_<

Or something like that....

[Nova.]

I considered powering it up but for most driving it's got enough performance to embarrass most other cars and I guess I'm too old to be bothered modifying a vehicle nowadays. If I want more grunt I'll just buy a gruntier car. :mellow:

nah mate, get it forged pistons rings and crank, polished head etc etc, tdo6 turbo, wind it up to 20psi boost and your good to go.

[Edbear]

Those who are most vehement in their denigration reveal a lot about their own insecurities and immaturity.

[FJRider]

KB:

A place that you can visit to find out how opinionated nincompoops want to dictate how you should run your life...<_<

Or something like that....

Opinionated nincompoops are the good guys ... Uninformed nincompoops are the real worry.

Bolting in a non original engine (and turbo) isn't the simple process it used to be. Lengthy sessions of form filling in ... and certification checks ($$$$) and then may not pass first time through.
And if the due and proper process wasn't followed ... you get shown the door without the bonnet being lifted.

[Edbear]

nah mate, get it forged pistons rings and crank, polished head etc etc, tdo6 turbo, wind it up to 20psi boost and your good to go.

That works briefly until you burn out the clutch and blow the gearbox or diff, or all three. Then you need to upgrade brakes and suspension... It becomes self-defeating if you don't.

[Nova.]

That works briefly until you burn out the clutch and blow the gearbox or diff, or all three. Then you need to upgrade brakes and suspension... It becomes self-defeating if you don't.

well get the clutch rebuilt heavy duty, gearbox strengthened and rebuilt and the diff strengthened and rebuilt, or shortened Nissan diff (although i hear Hilux diffs are decent also)

[scumdog]

w (although i hear Hilux diffs are decent also)

Strong.
But you need a six-speed to avoid screaming the head off the motor at 100kph - particularly if still on low profile 14" tyres.

[Edbear]

well get the clutch rebuilt heavy duty, gearbox strengthened and rebuilt and the diff strengthened and rebuilt, or shortened Nissan diff (although i hear Hilux diffs are decent also)

Hence my comment about just buying a more powerful car.


Strong.
But you need a six-speed to avoid screaming the head off the motor at 100kph - particularly if still on low profile 14" tyres.

I was disappointed to find the newer 6sp models had the same top gear ratio so not the overdrive I expected. I see no need for more than the 5 in ours. The stock running gear will take a bit more power but if you add another hundy horses you would definitely need to upgrade unless you don't mind a short life for it.

[nzspokes]

That works briefly until you burn out the clutch and blow the gearbox or diff, or all three. Then you need to upgrade brakes and suspension... It becomes self-defeating if you don't.

Its a car that's always been begging for a Rotary, which it should have had from new.

[Edbear]

Its a car that's always been begging for a Rotary, which it should have had from new.

I am pretty sure that conversion has been done, too.

[nzspokes]

I am pretty sure that conversion has been done, too.

Would be surprised if a 13b and box wouldn't go straight in. New driveshaft etc and it would be a winner.

[Madness]

Would be surprised if a 13b and box wouldn't go straight in. New driveshaft etc and it would be a winner.

You should buy it bro! Then you'll be a winner too.

[Nova.]

putting a rotary in one of those would be an embarrassment to the rotary name.

[Edbear]

You should buy it bro! Then you'll be a winner too.

Hey! Maybe I should start a thread advertising it! Oh, wait... :laugh:

[nzspokes]

I am pretty sure that conversion has been done, too.

Thinking back, in my old car club an older couple bought a brand new one and came club racing. It went well. The last time I saw it they had turboed it from a kit they got from the US. They went out to get a people mover and came home with the MX5. They were a cool couple. Both drove.

[unstuck]

Good luck with it Ed, :Punk:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hONXYySV2qM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:Punk:

[Edbear]

Thinking back, in my old car club an older couple bought a brand new one and came club racing. It went well. The last time I saw it they had turboed it from a kit they got from the US. They went out to get a people mover and came home with the MX5. They were a cool couple. Both drove.

You guys do realise you are talking me out of selling it... :confused:

[SVboy]

Ignorance,envy and hate and rife in this thread! I doubt many of the anti mx5 posters have any experience in actually owning and driving an mx5 hard over winding roads.It is good fun. MX5s are not powerful or full of features,but they are an excellent well balanced convertible rear wheel drive sports car, that are affordable. If people are slaves to the stereotype of a "hairdressers" car, it speaks more about them than the car itself.

[SMOKEU]

Good luck with it Ed, :Punk:



Fuck those were the mean skids.

[Edbear]

Ignorance,envy and hate and rife in this thread! I doubt many of the anti mx5 posters have any experience in actually owning and driving an mx5 hard over winding roads.It is good fun. MX5s are not powerful or full of features,but they are an excellent well balanced convertible rear wheel drive sports car, that are affordable. If people are slaves to the stereotype of a "hairdressers" car, it speaks more about them than the car itself.

Either that or 1,000,000 hairdressers world wide have bought one. Total sales are now over the million. :yes:

[DEATH_INC.]

If people are slaves to the stereotype of a "hairdressers" car, it speaks more about them than the car itself.
I don't own one, coz I haven't got enough hair. :mellow:

[Madness]

I don't own one, coz I haven't got enough hair. :mellow:

I can vouch for that. It'd be pretty pointless you owning one; what's the wind going to blow through?

[DEATH_INC.]

putting a rotary in one of those would be an embarrassment to the rotary name.

Na, I'm with nzspokes on this one, I've always wandered why Mazda didn't do it.

[unstuck]

I would own one, and I wouldnt give a bigs rats arse what anyone said, cos I would be out driving the twistys in it. Brilliant cars to drive and stick to the road like shit to a blanket, not very powerful but heaps of fun.:Punk::Punk:

[Edbear]

I can vouch for that. It'd be pretty pointless you owning one; what's the wind going to blow through?

I have a number 2 but anyway I have a special cap I wear. Mrs. Bear looks cute in her cap whether in the driver or passenger seat.

[SVboy]

Na, I'm with nzspokes on this one, I've always wandered why Mazda didn't do it.

I agree-wonderful sorted chassis with rotary power-probably be even lighter too! IIRC the gearboxs[5 and 6 spd] are rx7 already

[Madness]

I have a number 2 but anyway I have a special cap I wear. Mrs. Bear looks cute in her cap whether in the driver or passenger seat.

Come on Ed, you can't post that without pics.

We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!

[Kickaha]

I agree-wonderful sorted chassis with rotary power-probably be even lighter too!
There's one racing in Chch

[Edbear]

Na, I'm with nzspokes on this one, I've always wandered why Mazda didn't do it.

Already had the RX7 and saw a market for the MX5 that showed Mazda was onto the pulse of motoring and built a car everyone would want! I think it exceeded even their own expectations and deservedly became an icon!


I would own one, and I wouldnt give a bigs rats arse what anyone said, cos I would be out driving the twistys in it. Brilliant cars to drive and stick to the road like shit to a blanket, not very powerful but heaps of fun.:Punk::Punk:

Sums up ownership perfectly. We've had ours about four years now.

[Edbear]

Come on Ed, you can't post that without pics.

We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!
We want pics of Ed & Mrs Ed wearing their special caps!

Just imagine the responses to that! :innocent:

[Nova.]

okay i lie.. give me a turbo rotary one :woohoo:

[Madness]

okay i lie.. give me a turbo rotary one :woohoo:

With Ed's seat covers?

[Nova.]

With Ed's seat covers?

are they free?

[Edbear]

are they free?

Only if you really love them...

[Akzle]

5 bucks. No chips, i'd hate you to get fat. Jesus hates fat cunts.

[Edbear]

5 bucks. No chips, i'd hate you to get fat. Jesus hates fat cunts.

Proverbs 11:25 "The generous soul will itself be made fat, and the one freely watering others will himself also be freely watered."

[unstuck]

So according to the book of proverbs, if you give me your mx5, then some other generous bugga is gonna give you another neat car.:yes::Punk:

[Edbear]

So according to the book of proverbs, if you give me your mx5, then some other generous bugga is gonna give you another neat car.:yes::Punk:

LOL!!! Not quite that way. The message throughout is to care for each other. 1 John, 3:17 "But whoever has this world’s means for supporting life and beholds his brother having need and yet shuts the door of his tender compassions upon him, in what way does the love of God remain in him? 18 Little children, let us love, neither in word nor with the tongue, but in deed and truth"[/I]

Just giving away your possessions to anyone in the expectation others will give theirs to you is unrealistic. :yes:

[Madness]

1 John, 3:17 "But whoever has this world’s means for supporting life and beholds his brother having need and yet shuts the door of his tender compassions upon him, in what way does the love of God remain in him? 18 Little children, let us love, neither in word nor with the tongue, but in deed and truth"

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbmzglzdhj1rthbito1_r1_500.jpg

[Edbear]

[]

Hmmm... Do you need help..?

[unstuck]

If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. :Punk::Punk:

[ducatilover]

Good luck with the sale Ed. Proper fun little toy to have, great daily driver too.
Me, personally, I enjoy the AW11 MR-2 experience a bit more, even though an MX-5 is technically superior, the AW11 just gives me the horn while driving. :Punk:

[Edbear]

Good luck with the sale Ed. Proper fun little toy to have, great daily driver too.
Me, personally, I enjoy the AW11 MR-2 experience a bit more, even though an MX-5 is technically superior, the AW11 just gives me the horn while driving. :Punk:

I remember the first road test of one, they took it around the East Cape and thoroughly enjoyed it! They're a good fun car in the same category. Affordable fun for real roads! :niceone:

[Maha]

They are the hardest car to get in and out of, Anne had when I first met her. I feel they are for the women folk though, like the Gladius and/all cruisers. :wait:
Which by contrast, are easy to get on an off of..:confused:

[Edbear]

They are the hardest car to get in and out of, Anne had when I first met her. I feel they are for the women folk though, like the Gladius and/all cruisers. :wait:
Which by contrast, are easy to get on an off of..:confused:

:bleh: :bash:

[ducatilover]

I remember the first road test of one, they took it around the East Cape and thoroughly enjoyed it! They're a good fun car in the same category. Affordable fun for real roads! :niceone:

A mate of mine is selling a project one, sadly I haven't got the garage space :facepalm: it's the straightest one I've seen for years. He's just picked up a supercharged one too, very grouse cars

[Akzle]

Proverbs 11:25 "The generous soul will itself be made fat, and the one freely watering others will himself also be freely watered."

soul, ed, while i am animated by one, i am not one, nor even claiming to represent one, fat or otherwise.

i take it then you're accepting of the other terms (the 5$). i'll come past and pick it up next week eh. might even water your roses while i'm there.

((we do want pics of mr &mrs ed in their caps))

[Edbear]

soul, ed, while i am animated by one, i am not one, nor even claiming to represent one, fat or otherwise.

i take it then you're accepting of the other terms (the 5$). i'll come past and pick it up next week eh. might even water your roses while i'm there.

((we do want pics of mr &mrs ed in their caps))

Illogical. You don't have a soul, you are a soul. All breathing creatures are souls. Another religious myth and false teaching by the churches, sorry. How can you fatten the non-physical, physically?

If you add a few zeros to your offer you may have a chance.

[Akzle]

All breathing creatures are souls.

is fire?
. .

[Nova.]

fuck I LOVE lesbians. :love:

[silver_duck]

Yeah but only the pretty ones .... not those other hairy beasts.

[unstuck]

fuck I LOVE lesbians. :love:

And heres me thinking you were a bloke.:shifty::Punk:

[Edbear]

is fire?
. .

No, animals and humans only.

[Nova.]

And heres me thinking you were a bloke.:shifty::Punk:

shhh don't tell.... :shutup:

[breakaway]

$6900 for that? Is this a pisstake?

[Edbear]

$6900 for that? Is this a pisstake?

If you check TM you'll find wildly varying asking prices for all models. It is very hard to put a value on an earlier MX5. Car dealers offered us $3500 trade in but even '89 1600's can be asking $7 - $8k.

[breakaway]

Incredible.

Personally I'd pony up an extra 4k and buy a fully featured leather-bound RX8.

[Daffyd]

Either that or 1,000,000 hairdressers world wide have bought one. Total sales are now over the million. :yes:

Which, if I'm not mistaken, makes it the best selling sports car... ever!

[Akzle]

No, animals and humans only.

not trees?
do fish count?
what about arabs? or blacks?
and rapists...

[Edbear]

not trees?
do fish count?
what about arabs? or blacks?
and rapists...

I did try to put it simply... <_<

[Edbear]

Incredible.

Personally I'd pony up an extra 4k and buy a fully featured leather-bound RX8.

We both like them, too!

[scumdog]

Incredible.

Personally I'd pony up an extra 4k and buy a fully featured leather-bound RX8.

And pay twice as much for fuel too.

Must be rich eh!

[Edbear]

Incredible.

Personally I'd pony up an extra 4k and buy a fully featured leather-bound RX8.


And pay twice as much for fuel too.

Must be rich eh!

They also use oil in normal operation. Can't recall the stated consumption though.

[hayd3n]

our 97 is still insured for $9,500 130,000 kms

[breakaway]

And pay twice as much for fuel too.

Must be rich eh!

You know what they say.. pay peanuts, get monkeys!

[Nova.]

rx8's were the worst of the Rotary's in my opinion, with the exception of Madmikes rx8, although he too does not really think much of it...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpCyvOtDS-E

[breakaway]

Fair enough but good luck finding a RX7 that hasn't been raped by some 'bro' and 'just needs a cert', and I definitely wouldn't pay $7000 for a coupe with 20 year old tech.

[scumdog]

Fair enough but good luck finding a RX7 that hasn't been raped by some 'bro' and 'just needs a cert', and I definitely wouldn't pay $7000 for a coupe with 20 year old tech.

I paid just over $6000 for a coupe with 45+ year old technology. (and older...).

Needless to say the only '7' in its designation was '37.

[breakaway]

As long as it brings you joy my friend :yes:

[scumdog]

As long as it brings you joy my friend :yes:


Lots of that - and profit too when I sell it!

[ducatilover]

Incredible.

Personally I'd pony up an extra 4k and buy a fully featured leather-bound RX8.

If you're doing that, you may as well get an S2000, because they're actually good.

[Edbear]

If you're doing that's rouble is they are , you may as well get an S2000, because they're actually good.

Trouble is they are $20k+!

[breakaway]

I'd rather pony up some more and get a turbocharged Audi or similar.

Japanese stuff feels like cheap trash once you've been in one.

[scumdog]

I'd rather pony up some more and get a turbocharged Audi or similar.

Japanese stuff feels like cheap trash once you've been in one.

Which is cheaper to fix/repair?

[ducatilover]

I'd rather pony up some more and get a turbocharged Audi or similar.

Japanese stuff feels like cheap trash once you've been in one.

Try work on one :facepalm: Superb to drive, but now we're going there, give me an E36 M3 :yes:

[Madness]

Trouble is they are $20k+!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/honda/s2000/auction-556361782.htm

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7lbgm3SDJ1rthbito1_500.jpg

There was a blue one for $10k listed a few weeks back too.

[SVboy]

I'd rather pony up some more and get a turbocharged Audi or similar.

Japanese stuff feels like cheap trash once you've been in one.

You're not serious!!! Surely this is a troll! Perhaps you could buy your Audi and some cheap reliable jap trash to tow it to the garage with!!

[SVboy]

Try work on one :facepalm: Superb to drive, but now we're going there, give me an E36 M3 :yes:

Now you are talking!-just make sure your pockets are deeeeeeeep to keep it running as it should.

[ducatilover]

Trouble is they are $20k+!

:sunny: Not any more mate. I know a chap who picked a decent one up, urgent sale thing, for $14k.
They go well, and don't feel cheap like most other Jap toys.

[neels]

Which is cheaper to fix/repair?
In my experience VW audi and mercedes parts are cheaper than toyota and honda parts, and about on par with Nissan bits.

Speaking of eurojunk, what did you think of the peugeot convertible....

[Edbear]

I'd rather pony up some more and get a turbocharged Audi or similar.

Japanese stuff feels like cheap trash once you've been in one.

Met a bloke recently who has owned one for a while. He's fed up with it.

[breakaway]

Which is cheaper to fix/repair?

Come on man, sometimes you got to live a little.

[SVboy]

In saying that, s2000s are not regarded as an "easy" handling car and can bite at the limit. I think this trait was improved with the face lift version.I think the v-tec motor[although sounding great] makes for a frenic experience when they are pushed.

[SMOKEU]

I think the v-tec motor[although sounding great] makes for a frenic experience when they are pushed.

You just need to drive it the way you'd ride a 2 stroke bike with power valves.

[SVboy]

Come on man, sometimes you got to live a little.

You buy your vw/audi with a hairdryer attached and you will be giving more than a little!

[Nova.]

How dare you bring a Honda into this conversation!

[SVboy]

How dare you bring a Honda into this conversation!

We wanted to give you a chance to slag off something else you wouldnt have a clue about.

[Nova.]

try me. :facepalm:

[SVboy]

try me. :facepalm:

Cheers: we find you trying....

[ducatilover]

Now you are talking!-just make sure your pockets are deeeeeeeep to keep it running as it should.

:woohoo: When you're a BMW spaz like myself, deep pockets are not needed. The E36 M3 are a very reasonable car to maintain when you have the knowledge :D And damn, they're a fine bit of four wheeled kit
Problem being, I can't afford an M3. :facepalm:

[ducatilover]

Which is cheaper to fix/repair?

The S2000 won't need repairs...

[breakaway]

The S2000 won't need repairs...

Unfortunately not even that makes up for the fact that it's a Honda.

Seriously though even the higher spec Japs feel like cheap trash when compared to the Euro in the same "class".

[SVboy]

:woohoo: When you're a BMW spaz like myself, deep pockets are not needed. The E36 M3 are a very reasonable car to maintain when you have the knowledge :D And damn, they're a fine bit of four wheeled kit
Problem being, I can't afford an M3. :facepalm:

I concur. Great car.I have heard if the SMG goes in one of these-sell your house, your testies and any kids you may have legal ownership of!! I haveheard the VANOS? gives horrific problems in the early model of these. However, it would be the BMW for me-with the manual trannie thanks!

[Nova.]

I concur. Great car.I have heard if the SMG goes in one of these-sell your house, your testies and any kids you may have legal ownership of!! I haveheard the VANOS? gives horrific problems in the early model of these. However, it would be the BMW for me-with the manual trannie thanks!

oh you would love the trannie wouldn't you :laugh:

[SVboy]

Unfortunately not even that makes up for the fact that it's a Honda.

Seriously though even the higher spec Japs feel like cheap trash when compared to the Euro in the same "class".

Oh puleese!! Just because a car "feels" like its quality, it simply is not so. The shocking reliability of so many euro cars simply destroys any feelings of having purchased an "aspirational" european vehicle. I doubt you have experienced a Lexus if you consider that jap cars feel like trash.

[SVboy]

oh you would love the trannie wouldn't you :laugh:

I imagine any trannie would be more man than you. Probably know more about cars too!:laugh:

[Nova.]

I imagine any trannie would be more man than you. Probably know more about cars too!:laugh:

That'll be the day.

[breakaway]

Oh puleese!! Just because a car "feels" like its quality, it simply is not so. The shocking reliability of so many euro cars simply destroys any feelings of having purchased an "aspirational" european vehicle. I doubt you have experienced a Lexus if you consider that jap cars feel like trash.

How many euros have you owned mate? I've owned a few and I wouldn't say they're any more unreliable than the japs. Perhaps I have been lucky?

I know that when they do break though you need a competent tech (one who knows how to use a scope if needed to figure out what's happening), not a pants on head dumbass with a great big hammer to diagnose and replace it properly.

Most workshops in NZ seem to fall in the latter category.

Have heard many horror stories with "thousands of dollars spent, car still not right" situations. Maybe due to the rarity of euros or due to the insufficient skillset and tooling of most workshops who basically barely qualify as backyard mechanics. The "throwing parts at it" approach is especially ineffective.

[SVboy]

That'll be the day.

Great comeback! So, you have taken the time to slag off mx5s and s2000s without any evidence, other than you dont like them.
Enlighten us,Mr TOP GEAR. As car guy to the gods, what is wrong with these cars.

[SVboy]

How many euros have you owned mate? I've owned a few and I wouldn't say they're any more unreliable than the japs. Perhaps I have been lucky?

I know that when they do break though you need a competent tech (one who knows how to use a scope if needed to figure out what's happening), not a pants on head dumbass with a great big hammer to diagnose and replace it properly.

Most workshops in NZ seem to fall in the latter category.

Have heard many horror stories with "thousands of dollars spent, car still not right" situations. Maybe due to the rarity of euros or due to the insufficient skillset and tooling of most workshops who basically barely qualify as backyard mechanics. The "throwing parts at it" approach is especially ineffective.

Whose side are you on!! I couldnt have put it any better myself! I have NEVER owned a late model euro. I have plenty of mates in the trade who show me or tell me the same horror stories you hear. If I was shitting money, of course I would consider a select few euros, but I am not, so I wont. All the $$ goes on bikes anyway!

[Nova.]

Great comeback! So, you have taken the time to slag off mx5s and s2000s without any evidence, other than you dont like them.
Enlighten us,Mr TOP GEAR. As car guy to the gods, what is wrong with these cars.

ones a Honda, and the other is one of the ugliest cars known to man kind.

[neels]

How many euros have you owned mate? I've owned a few and I wouldn't say they're any more unreliable than the japs. Perhaps I have been lucky?
I guess I must have been lucky too then....

But please don't dispel the myth, if the sheep keep believing that jap cars are more reliable and cheaper to fix, I can keep buying eurojunk for bugger all.

And in any case, I wouldn't pay $7k for a 20 year old jap car where the seller doesn't state the mileage in the ad, particularly if it's been running castrol oil.

[SVboy]

ones a Honda, and the other is one of the ugliest cars known to man kind.

I concede-you truly have car knowledge of a depth rarely seen on KB, not to mention discerning taste and design values beyond comprehension. My hat is off to your debating skills too....:facepalm:

[breakaway]

But please don't dispel the myth, if the sheep keep believing that jap cars are more reliable and cheaper to fix, I can keep buying eurojunk for bugger all.

Good point! I'll show myself out.

[SVboy]

I guess I must have been lucky too then....

But please don't dispel the myth, if the sheep keep believing that jap cars are more reliable and cheaper to fix, I can keep buying eurojunk for bugger all.

And in any case, I wouldn't pay $7k for a 20 year old jap car where the seller doesn't state the mileage in the ad, particularly if it's been running castrol oil.

As reliable as your Duke Neels!!:laugh:

[ducatilover]

Unfortunately not even that makes up for the fact that it's a Honda.

Seriously though even the higher spec Japs feel like cheap trash when compared to the Euro in the same "class". I beg to differ in the S2000s case, it's not as... err... special feeling as a Boxster, but it'll out perform the base Boxster easily (cept corners, they're fairly close there)


I concur. Great car.I have heard if the SMG goes in one of these-sell your house, your testies and any kids you may have legal ownership of!! I haveheard the VANOS? gives horrific problems in the early model of these. However, it would be the BMW for me-with the manual trannie thanks!
SMG is yuck anyway, not nice to live with. I've repaired a few VANOS units on various models, they're not stupidly hard to do, nor are they very expensive. Cheaper than doing the AYC on an Evo 4... A large issue with VANOS (early ones, two issues actually) is the earlier units didn't hold pressure whilst the engine's off and they won't receve oil pressure until 2700rpm (hence cold start rattles on S50 and M50 motors), then there's the wombles who run the wrong oils, cook the oils or don't change it often enough.
I'll take a 3.2 Evo manual thanks :D or a 3.0, I'm not a fussy fella

How many euros have you owned mate? I've owned a few and I wouldn't say they're any more unreliable than the japs. Perhaps I have been lucky?


I had a couple and my family/mates have had a bunch (mostly of the 6cyl BMW breed) and they've all been excellent cars.
You're certainly right about having a competent tech onboard!

One of my brother's has owned 3 E36s, two with high km (245km and 305km respectively) and all three, over 100,000km ownership in total have cost less to maintain than his CM5A Lancer over 40,000km, it was an immaculate original car and FOB too. Heap of shite.



But please don't dispel the myth, if the sheep keep believing that jap cars are more reliable and cheaper to fix, I can keep buying eurojunk for bugger all.



:Punk: Gets us good, cheap cars.

[hayd3n]

:sunny: Not any more mate. I know a chap who picked a decent one up, urgent sale thing, for $14k.
They go well, and don't feel cheap like most other Jap toys.

id rather the nsx if were talking hondas

[Edbear]

ones a Honda, and the other is one of the ugliest cars known to man kind.

In your opinion of course. Why doesn't it surprise me that millions of people disagree with you?


I guess I must have been lucky too then....

But please don't dispel the myth, if the sheep keep believing that jap cars are more reliable and cheaper to fix, I can keep buying eurojunk for bugger all.

And in any case, I wouldn't pay $7k for a 20 year old jap car where the seller doesn't state the mileage in the ad, particularly if it's been running castrol oil.

Why are the Euro's worth nothing? :laugh:

I did mention the mileage along with the confidence in the reliability.

I don't know what oil it has had in it but the MX5 forums recommend Magnatec to better look after the hydraulic lifters. These motors have fine tolerances and if not regularly serviced the lifters can gum up and rattle. We haven't done a lot of miles in it and it is near to a service.



id rather the nsx if were talking hondas

A mate has had one since new and spent buckets of gold on it. It is now barely streetable and he's been running a Shorai battery for months now. It is his main track day car. I have always lusted after them but sadly never had the money... :no:

[unstuck]

Best Mazda I had was an 808 coupe. It did have a supercharged 302 in it though.:Punk:

[DEATH_INC.]

in total have cost less to maintain than his CM5A Lancer over 40,000km, it was an immaculate original car and FOB too. Heap of shite.

One word. Mitsubitzy http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=277896&stc=1&d=1360003429

[Edbear]

One word. Mitsubitzy http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=277896&stc=1&d=1360003429

Almost inevitably if you see a car broken down beside the road it will be a Jap import Mitsubishi. The only way to get reliability from a Mitzie is to buy new and service it by the book. The only new Mitzie I would buy would be the L300. Although the 380 was actually a good car.

[unstuck]

I have owned a few mitsiz, this was the best one 83 L200, Had it for 10 yrs on the road and It was a brilliant workhorse. Now it spends its days playing in the forest.:Punk:

[Edbear]

I have owned a few mitsiz, this was the best one 83 L200, Had it for 10 yrs on the road and It was a brilliant workhorse. Now it spends its days playing in the forest.:Punk:

Tough as nails, but of course NZ new too. The L200's and L300's earned their reputation as tough and reliable.

[unstuck]

I have some bad memories of a flooded coramandel river and a L300 van.:shit: Someone was looking out for me that day.:innocent:

[ducatilover]

Although the 380 was actually a good car. :blink: No they weren't. Horrid heaps of trans exploding junk. Don't even drive that well.
They were good looking on paper...

Tough as nails, but of course NZ new too. The L200's and L300's earned their reputation as tough and reliable.
They tend to be fairly decent, the 2.6 utes were fairly solid old things. Have seen a million electrical issues though, one of my favourites is late model L300s deciding to let capacitors in the dash unit leak :no:

[Edbear]

:blink: No they weren't. Horrid heaps of trans exploding junk. Don't even drive that well.
They were good looking on paper...

They tend to be fairly decent, the 2.6 utes were fairly solid old things. Have seen a million electrical issues though, one of my favourites is late model L300s deciding to let capacitors in the dash unit leak :no:

A mate bought a 380 new and has had nothing but a great run out of it. They both love it and have the opposite view to you.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

The older Diamante's were known for computer and trans problems.

[SVboy]

Thread drift alert!!! I think we have covered Mitzis and their patchy reliability in previous threads. I think they could be summed up as japans answer to the european car!! And Ed-those 380s were about as popuar as aids!

[ducatilover]

A mate bought a 380 new and has had nothing but a great run out of it. They both love it and have the opposite view to you.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

The older Diamante's were known for computer and trans problems.

I've had to fix the scungy buggers :yes: the older ones were also shite.
I struggle to think of a Mitsi that I'd trust these days :laugh:

What can we bash next? 4 cyl BMWs? They're impossibly shit

[Edbear]

Thread drift alert!!! I think we have covered Mitzis and their patchy reliability in previous threads. I think they could be summed up as japans answer to the european car!! And Ed-those 380s were about as popuar as aids!

Yeah, they didn't exactly set the world alight. Wrong car at the wrong time.


I've had to fix the scungy buggers :yes: the older ones were also shite.
I struggle to think of a Mitsi that I'd trust these days :laugh:

What can we bash next? 4 cyl BMWs? They're impossibly shit

4Cyl Beemers? Run away fast if you're ever offered one, especially the 1600's.

The most reliable of the Euro's are the VW group, but second hand vehicles can give trans trouble. Main issue wuth the Euro's is their electrics which are notorious for playing up and everything is electronically controlled. Ask Classic_Z, he's a Euro expert and often gets to fix botched attempts by other garages to sort the problem out. Audi's first attempt at CVT was a disaster, too. :facepalm:

Off topic? Well, at least it emphasises the attraction of our MX5, which at 19 years old and 185,000km is dead reliable, great to drive and would run rings around many newer and far more expensive cars. :sunny:

[ducatilover]

4Cyl Beemers? Run away fast if you're ever offered one, especially the 1600's.

The most reliable of the Euro's are the VW group, but second hand vehicles can give trans trouble. Main issue wuth the Euro's is their electrics which are notorious for playing up and everything is electronically controlled. Ask Classic_Z, he's a Euro expert and often gets to fix botched attempts by other garages to sort the problem out. Audi's first attempt at CVT was a disaster, too. :facepalm:

Off topic? Well, at least it emphasises the attraction of our MX5, which at 19 years old and 185,000km is dead reliable, great to drive and would run rings around many newer and far more expensive cars. :sunny: The 4cyl BMWs of late are horrible poo :facepalm: I really hate them. My '73 520 was a good car though, one of the few 4cyl BMWs worth owning

In my experience, 6 cylinder BMWs and older Mercs are the most reliable of Ze Germanic cars. Had to do a million ABS units and whatnot, do feel very nice to drive though :yes:

I've also noticed that everything has electrical issues these days, Toyotas are fast becoming cheap junk.

[Edbear]

The 4cyl BMWs of late are horrible poo :facepalm: I really hate them. My '73 520 was a good car though, one of the few 4cyl BMWs worth owning

In my experience, 6 cylinder BMWs and older Mercs are the most reliable of Ze Germanic cars. Had to do a million ABS units and whatnot, do feel very nice to drive though :yes:

I've also noticed that everything has electrical issues these days, Toyotas are fast becoming cheap junk.

Manufacturers are cramming more and more electrical stuff into cars these days and trying to do it at a cost point. Many would like to go to 48V electrics and battery makers are cramming more plates into their batteries to try to cope with the demand. That's why I don't recommend Shorai for modern cars until they come out with a greater reserve capacity. They'll start any car, but don't have the reserve for the likes of 10-way electrically adjustable heated seats and all the other paraphenalia.

[SVboy]

Talk me through that last Toyota statement-what have your experiences been and with what models?

[unstuck]

Never had a toyota I did not like. Never had one later than a 95 though. :Punk:

[ducatilover]

Talk me through that last Toyota statement-what have your experiences been and with what models?
Many small niggles with late Yaris', Corollas (had a few trans issues, and a fair few oil eating issues on many, many post 2000 Toyotas), there's the ol' Hilux injector/pump problems, doing reverse gears in Hiluxs, gear linkages, shit brakes forever cooking. They did a lovely trick I've been happy to work with, the snap on steering boots, fantastic idea.
A few oil pump leaks on middle aged FE motors (3S, 5S etc). Tie rods in Altezzas (not really a big issue, but very common), auto boxes throwing their guts everywhere.
Etcetera etcetera
They're no longer superbly reliable. I think the best engines they made (petrol, boring, reliable wise) were the late 4AFE and 5SFE, these have by far been the most trouble free ('cept for all the oil leaks) and seem to do bonkers milage (see my reply to Unstuck)

There does seem to be a theme of mid 2000s fouyr cylinders using significant amounts of oil though


Never had a toyota I did not like. Never had one later than a 95 though. :Punk:

This might be the key, mind you we have a '96 Corolla that'll pop half a million by half way through the year, only thing that's been replaced that isn't a service item is a radiator. Still original clutch, shocks, motor, box... horrible car, but it's reliable and okay on gas

[Edbear]

Many small niggles with late Yaris', Corollas (had a few trans issues, and a fair few oil eating issues on many, many post 2000 Toyotas), there's the ol' Hilux injector/pump problems, doing reverse gears in Hiluxs, gear linkages, shit brakes forever cooking. They did a lovely trick I've been happy to work with, the snap on steering boots, fantastic idea.
A few oil pump leaks on middle aged FE motors (3S, 5S etc). Tie rods in Altezzas (not really a big issue, but very common), auto boxes throwing their guts everywhere.
Etcetera etcetera
They're no longer superbly reliable. I think the best engines they made (petrol, boring, reliable wise) were the late 4AFE and 5SFE, these have by far been the most trouble free ('cept for all the oil leaks) and seem to do bonkers milage (see my reply to Unstuck)

There does seem to be a theme of mid 2000s fouyr cylinders using significant amounts of oil though



This might be the key, mind you we have a '96 Corolla that'll pop half a million by half way through the year, only thing that's been replaced that isn't a service item is a radiator. Still original clutch, shocks, motor, box... horrible car, but it's reliable and okay on gas

Latest news is that Toyota's recalls will top the million vehicles for a variety of issues.

Our '99 Nissan Pulsar was still going as good as new after just under 200,000k. One CV joint replaced only. Not common, though for them. Only sold it because of my accident and the seats were uncomfortable after the surgery.

Our Kizashi is just coming up 42,000km in 20 mths and only had a minor chip upgrade a few months ago to improve starting fueling. Running upgrade with no issues. CVT is great and I expect another ten years trouble free. Had the Pulsar from new for 12 years, too.

[unstuck]

I have had many big grin days with the mighty toyota 3k and 4k engines.:yes::Punk::Punk:

[Edbear]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=559858619&ed=true

:bye: :cry:

[SVboy]

Interesting-I know the 99 mr-s could have an issue with ingesting abrasives from the cat-leading to wear and oil consumption. Usually toyota is content to let others innovate, then take the technology and make it reliable, how-ever 2.4 diesil anyone? 3L crack heads. Seems most car makers have a way to go. Still, rather that than a VW tourag or heaven forbid, a range rover!!

[ducatilover]

Latest news is that Toyota's recalls will top the million vehicles for a variety of issues.

Our '99 Nissan Pulsar was still going as good as new after just under 200,000k. One CV joint replaced only. Not common, though for them. Only sold it because of my accident and the seats were uncomfortable after the surgery.

Our Kizashi is just coming up 42,000km in 20 mths and only had a minor chip upgrade a few months ago to improve starting fueling. Running upgrade with no issues. CVT is great and I expect another ten years trouble free. Had the Pulsar from new for 12 years, too.
Those Pulsars, while not "exciting" seem to be pretty seriously reliable little rigs. Haven't had any experience with a Kizashi, but from what you've said they sound nice

I have had many big grin days with the mighty toyota 3k and 4k engines.:yes::Punk::Punk:

Superbly easy to fix those buggers :Punk: same as the Y series, headgasket takes 6 beers and 4 ciggies to do

[DEATH_INC.]

I've also noticed that everything has electrical issues these days, Toyotas are fast becoming cheap junk.

Electrical issues? Mitsubishi (again lol) GTO reigns supreme. Even worse than a Ducati..... <_<

Most reliable? Early 90's corollas take some beating...My mate got one and did 120000km without changing the oil even, and she was still mint as when we pulled the engine for a 4agze.

Euro's....service 'em by the book from new, you'll spend as much as buying a corolla each time, but they do last well if it's done. Buy a jap import and get some local 'garage' to do it and good luck....

Funny what you say about the 380 ed, one of the Mrs mates had a diamante and it went right against the grain and was reliable as.

My mate in aus had a VZ Commy, did 2 engines in the first 10,000 k's.

Ford nz pulled all the steering racks outta the BA's before sale and had 'em all rebuilt because they were all failing....

I could go on for hours/days on this subject... :laugh:

[ducatilover]

Electrical issues? Mitsubishi (again lol) GTO reigns supreme. Even worse than a Ducati..... <_<

Most reliable? Early 90's corollas take some beating...My mate got one and did 120000km without changing the oil even, and she was still mint as when we pulled the engine for a 4agze.

Euro's....service 'em by the book from new, you'll spend as much as buying a corolla each time, but they do last well if it's done. Buy a jap import and get some local 'garage' to do it and good luck....

Funny what you say about the 380 ed, one of the Mrs mates had a diamante and it went right against the grain and was reliable as.

My mate in aus had a VZ Commy, did 2 engines in the first 10,000 k's.

Ford nz pulled all the steering racks outta the BA's before sale and had 'em all rebuilt because they were all failing....

I could go on for hours/days on this subject... :laugh:

I don't work on GTOs anymore :laugh: some other person's problem, can't be fucked with 'em.
Euro cars: buy carefully, then you'll be fine. We've had a fair few and all have been great (exception of my old 525 snapping a rocker during some... err high revs and fast moving rear tyres) but not a hard fix.

Ah, VZ, I take it he had a 3.6 and it decided to stretch some rather important chains? Or a V8, laboured hard as fuck and shitting the ring lands?

The BA 'coon is a very problematic turd :facepalm:

[DEATH_INC.]

Ah, VZ, I take it he had a 3.6 and it decided to stretch some rather important chains? Or a V8, laboured hard as fuck and shitting the ring lands?


V8...from memory it ran the big ends/mains and pretty much fucked everything else too. Got replaced with a complete new engine under warranty both times. Daryl wouldn't know how to labour an engine :shit:

[Coolz]

I've got one word for you euro sports car freaks...GODZILLA.
"Look upon my works,ye mighty,and despair."

[scumdog]

I've got one word for you euro sports car freaks...GODZILLA.
"Look upon my works,ye mighty,and despair."

SO. how chaep are they??

[Edbear]

SO. how chaep are they??

They under $200k! A bargain!

[ducatilover]

V8...from memory it ran the big ends/mains and pretty much fucked everything else too. Got replaced with a complete new engine under warranty both times. Daryl wouldn't know how to labour an engine :shit: Crikey!!!! :mellow:


I've got one word for you euro sports car freaks...GODZILLA.
"Look upon my works,ye mighty,and despair."
Not my cuppa. Very fast and impressive, but it has appalling paint, it's ugly as fuck, it's heavy as fuck and it sounds like shit. I'd rather something light and slow, if I want straight line speed I'll hop on my bike.

Gimmie a second hand GT3 for the same coin, any day. Or an F355, with change.

The rather eccentirc, yet awesome LFA is faster than the GT-R anyway. And makes a good noise.

[onearmedbandit]

In a straight line maybe, but then don't forget the LFA costs 5 times as much as a GTR.

Euro's? Imported? Sell boat loads of them. Yup early Audi CVTs were shit, BMW 4 cylinders burn oil, Mercedes well anything is pricey on them, e39 and X5 dashes lose lights, VW are fine but good luck if a DSG box shits itself. Pity because they are sweet gearboxes. VW R32 rear diff? Better have $8k nearby and time to wait while they build one for you in Germany. We almost traded a Volvo with a shot tranny once, inquired what a replacement was worth. Are you sitting down? Good. $35,000.

Servicing of Euros is not necessary a great deal more than certain Japanese cars. And when you think what your 2004 Audi A4 1.8t gives you for $18k compared to say an 04 Caldina for $16k, you're getting a fuck load of car. Just remember though, that Audi cost $100k from new, the Toyota maybe $38-42. They will cost more to repair for a reason.

I agree with most people's sentiments about Mitsubishi, with the standout exception of the 05 onwards 2.4 Outlander. We have sold dozens of these and they don't come back with faults.

Now to me, NZ has for a long time been a Toyota country. Corolla, Corona, Camry and Hilux. Names that everyone recognised. Now Toyota had diversified too much in my opinion, especially in their home market, to the point that they suffer in poor quality control. Biggest selling mid sized car for us currently is the Mazda Atenza. 2.0 or 2.3 they sell sell sell. Great reputation for reliability and a name that a lot of people now recognise. Biggest selling small'ish car? Mazda Axela, preferably 1.5 or 2.3. The 2.0 doesn't appear on most people's radars, they ether want economy and reliability or power and reliability. Resale for both these vehicles strong. Now I see NZ being less of a Toyota nation. The swing isn't fully there but it's gently falling away from Toyota.

[ducatilover]

It's cost me less to service my Euro cars than any same age Jap car I've owned.
But, I'd never touch an Audi, unless it's a very old 5 cyl and manual, with mech injection.
I wouldn't buy a Merc, purely because they don't interest me.
Even my big beige Volvo is very cheap to fix, just have to know where to buy parts (that's the key) and I'm a mechanic, so I do my won work.

I'm not a fan of most VAG cars, done too many ABS and airbag repairs on them, too many auto boxes and too many snapped cambelts (a trick the Pugs are very good at too)

[ducatilover]

In a straight line maybe, but then don't forget the LFA costs 5 times as much as a GTR.

.

The LFA is faster around the 'Ring. Faster than a GT2 RS
The Gallardo SG is faster around Tsukuba.
The F360 CS and 458 are faster around there too.
But, no denying you cannot beat the GT-R for value for a new supercar. And it's fucked up fast for something that weighs as much as Mexico.

[Edbear]

:laugh:

I took the car out twice today and I have to say that each time I drive it I love it more! Perfect day for it! :sunny:

[BMWST?]

Manufacturers are cramming more and more electrical stuff into cars these days and trying to do it at a cost point. Many would like to go to 48V electrics and battery makers are cramming more plates into their batteries to try to cope with the demand. That's why I don't recommend Shorai for modern cars until they come out with a greater reserve capacity. They'll start any car, but don't have the reserve for the likes of 10-way electrically adjustable heated seats and all the other paraphenalia.


my 1990 BMW 535 had 10 way adjustable electric seats.It also had a battery under the back seat to suit(and a 25AH auxillary in the boot).It started to do strange things if the battery was near the end of its life.I got a proper battery for it,ie what BMW actualy recomended.I dint have any issues after that.And for the record i got the 535 at 140ks and sold it at 260ks.I had it for about 8 years used every day.It let me down once.Fantastic car.

[ducatilover]

:laugh:

I took the car out twice today and I have to say that each time I drive it I love it more! Perfect day for it! :sunny:

:Punk: Keep it Ed, bugger the back!

[Edbear]

my 1990 BMW 535 had 10 way adjustable electric seats.It also had a battery in the boot to suit(and a 25AH auxillary).It started to do strange things if the battery was near the end of its life.I got a proper battery for it,ie what BMW actualy recomended.I dint have any issues after that.And for the record i got the 535 at 140ks and sold it at 260ks.I had it for about 8 years used every day.It let me down once.Fantastic car.


:Punk: Keep it Ed, bugger the back!

My favourite model is the earlier 320/325's the six cyl manual ones. Apart from those I wouldn't bbuy one but glad to hear you had a good run.

I don't want to sell it really but if we get offered decent money it will go towards getting Mrs. Bear a car she can get into and out of easier. Recently she suffered a health reversal that means she has to be very careful with her movements for the foreseeable future and the car is just too low and hard for her to get out of now. :no:

[Edbear]

Getting old sucks!

[scumdog]

Getting old sucks!

Ya don't really want to try the option....

[Nova.]

Bag it out!

[Edbear]

Bag it out!

Nah, just need enough dosh to keep it and buy the Misses another car. :innocent:

[Edbear]

Ya don't really want to try the option....

Your logic is inescapable! Being dead would suck worse... :mellow:

[SVboy]

In a straight line maybe, but then don't forget the LFA costs 5 times as much as a GTR.

Euro's? Imported? Sell boat loads of them. Yup early Audi CVTs were shit, BMW 4 cylinders burn oil, Mercedes well anything is pricey on them, e39 and X5 dashes lose lights, VW are fine but good luck if a DSG box shits itself. Pity because they are sweet gearboxes. VW R32 rear diff? Better have $8k nearby and time to wait while they build one for you in Germany. We almost traded a Volvo with a shot tranny once, inquired what a replacement was worth. Are you sitting down? Good. $35,000.

Servicing of Euros is not necessary a great deal more than certain Japanese cars. And when you think what your 2004 Audi A4 1.8t gives you for $18k compared to say an 04 Caldina for $16k, you're getting a fuck load of car. Just remember though, that Audi cost $100k from new, the Toyota maybe $38-42. They will cost more to repair for a reason.

I agree with most people's sentiments about Mitsubishi, with the standout exception of the 05 onwards 2.4 Outlander. We have sold dozens of these and they don't come back with faults.

Now to me, NZ has for a long time been a Toyota country. Corolla, Corona, Camry and Hilux. Names that everyone recognised. Now Toyota had diversified too much in my opinion, especially in their home market, to the point that they suffer in poor quality control. Biggest selling mid sized car for us currently is the Mazda Atenza. 2.0 or 2.3 they sell sell sell. Great reputation for reliability and a name that a lot of people now recognise. Biggest selling small'ish car? Mazda Axela, preferably 1.5 or 2.3. The 2.0 doesn't appear on most people's radars, they ether want economy and reliability or power and reliability. Resale for both these vehicles strong. Now I see NZ being less of a Toyota nation. The swing isn't fully there but it's gently falling away from Toyota.

Astute comments from a man in the game. Problem can be people can afford to buy the Audi/merc/french POS but expect to run them on a "toyota" budget!

[onearmedbandit]

There is the saying, if you can't afford a new European you can't afford a second hand one.