Smart technology aims to help iCops. This should be interesting!

[willytheekid]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/8300317/Smart-technology-aims-to-help-iCops

Why are they buying the most over priced, unsecure "hipster" technology available? ($163 million dollars!!)

I would have thought security would be the primary concern for there line of work(That = Blackberry!)...or maybe even focus on the cost to save the NZ public's tax money (That would rule Apple out immediately!)


...mind you, Apple does do a great job making technology usable for all (Nice simple layout etc...yes...thats a nice way of saying even techno retards can use them...not a cheap shot!, thats the beauty of apple products, its usable technology for ALL)

I can see the devices being very useful in the feild, and it is about time they got some decent tech*:yes:

...but is the price right? :crazy:

http://www.wandake.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Apple-Police.jpg


ps: I will be waiting for someone to release an Iphone APP called "track da popo"...just ONE of the many exploited flaws in Apple devices...but the real time tracking is acurate!:lol:

*I used to look after the Popo's national network, stations, emergency phones etc etc...and the Govt usually screws them on tech upgrades etc

[Gremlin]

Devices have passwords and can be remotely wiped...

Apple has a better chance of survival than BlackBerry unfortunately...

[Kermit250]

Apple has MDM functionality that the competition haven't even clicked onto yet. It's far more ideal for this scenario than any of the other kit out there at this current time

[bogan]

They do have some of the best hardware out there, and the best reputation for it. Consumers pay a big premium for that, but I'd hope the cops got a sweet deal.

The bigger question, is do they come with hands free kits?

[steve_t]

Apple has a better chance of survival than BlackBerry unfortunately...

Exactly. If the Z10 isn't a raging success, BB will probably be no more. So, if you kit your cops out with them and the company goes under, then what?

[Scuba_Steve]

Real question is how are these communicating??? that's gonna be the real weakness, not the device they're running on

& FYI many organisations have declared the Apple devices "safe" for use, big banks, insurance, Govts etc
Blackberry would've increased price as all the back-end that goes along with them & the fact the devices themselves are no cheaper anyways but theoretically more secure maybee?

[Kermit250]

Including Australian Department of Defence (declaring them safe).

MDM would be working via Apples APNS stuff. Probably something along the lines of a VPN connection back to base.

This is great, the hours of paperwork for an arrest may be able to be streamlined for them (meaning more time again actually being able to be out there doing something)

[willytheekid]

Apple has MDM functionality that the competition haven't even clicked onto yet. It's far more ideal for this scenario than any of the other kit out there at this current time

Ahh, most devices have "fleet" management, samsung, blackberry, nokia and many thrid party suppliers offer this service

I actually Like Apple products:yes:...they work well, have a lot of features etc, but as far as security for "fleet" devices.....ONLY blackberry has a fully secure network that provides user and device Authentication and lock down...and its NEVER been hacked (Always been touted as the most secure phone on the planet...just look at celebs, US president etc etc...they all use them..not because they "like" blackberry...but they know its the most secure handset on the planet (But they are bloody clunky things compared too apple & samsung etc)

Me, couldn't give to shits about what product:killingme....if it works, great!

...its just the cost of apple products thats at question. (they sure can charge! lol)

[Scuba_Steve]

This is great, the hours of paperwork for an arrest may be able to be streamlined for them (meaning more time again actually being able to be out there doing something)

So expect the permanent 4km speed scam tolerance soon then???

[Kermit250]

Ahh, most devices have "fleet" management, samsung, blackberry, nokia and many thrid party suppliers offer this service

I actually Like Apple products:yes:...they work well, have a lot of features etc, but as far as security for "fleet" devices.....ONLY blackberry has a fully secure network that provides user and device Authentication and lock down...and its NEVER been hacked (Always been touted as the most secure phone on the planet...just look at celebs, US president etc etc...they all use them..not because they "like" blackberry...but they know its the most secure handset on the planet (But they are bloody clunky things compared too apple & samsung etc)

Me, couldn't give to shits about what product:killingme....if it works, great!

...its just the cost of apple products thats at question. (they sure can charge! lol)

To my knowledge neither has the Apple system been successfully compromised yet.

"fleet" management or MDM from the other companies pales in comparison to the functionality that Apple's system offers currently for very little cost. Overall cost wise it is probably actually cheaper than Blackberries solution because the required infrastructure for it is really very light. The pricing the Government will be getting for this is quite a bit less than what we see in the retail market.
Still expensive, yeah - but certainly reasonable.

Also a good proportion of our Police force are not exactly the most saavy folk. One of the great things with iOS is it's ability to be able to be used with ease by a lot of people (obviously nothing is anywhere near perfect with this yet).

I'd agree that Blackberry would be my next choice but I have a lack in confidence in them surviving as a company.

[Kermit250]

So expect the permanent 4km speed scam tolerance soon then???

Everyone is always raving on that they should be doing some "real work" and catching the "real crims". Perhaps this will help towards doing a bit more that eh?

[Gremlin]

Exactly. If the Z10 isn't a raging success, BB will probably be no more. So, if you kit your cops out with them and the company goes under, then what?
More of an issue for BlackBerry, as it has it's own communication network, BlackBerry APN at service provider etc.

I had a BlackBerry, client has them, coupled them to BES servers and the control and security is unmatched. Fallen over on App support however...

Apparently the money has to come from the existing budget, which is stupid, but if it means less unpaid overtime etc filing paper, hell yes, do it. Just for god's sake don't do another Insys...

[bogan]

Everyone is always raving on that they should be doing some "real work" and catching the "real crims". Perhaps this will help towards doing a bit more that eh?

Well, unless they use apple maps...

http://www.blogcdn.com//media/2012/09/a3qlphucqaascjz.jpg

[Kermit250]

Lol that was a good one.

Personally I've never had a problem with Apple maps, although I find I use google maps more often anyway because I'm more familiar with it and it's more forgiving for a misspelling or typo.

[willytheekid]

To my knowledge neither has the Apple system been successfully compromised yet.

"fleet" management or MDM from the other companies pales in comparison to the functionality that Apple's system offers currently for very little cost. Overall cost wise it is probably actually cheaper than Blackberries solution because the required infrastructure for it is really very light. The pricing the Government will be getting for this is quite a bit less than what we see in the retail market.
Still expensive, yeah - but certainly reasonable.

Also a good proportion of our Police force are not exactly the most saavy folk. One of the great things with iOS is it's ability to be able to be used with ease by a lot of people (obviously nothing is anywhere near perfect with this yet).

I'd agree that Blackberry would be my next choice but I have a lack in confidence in them surviving as a company.

Nice!:niceone:

Totally agree with apple's "user friendly" devices :yes:, they are damn smart in that regard...make the tech accessable to all...unlike blackberry etc (I used to be the afterhour blackberry SME for telecom...not the best devices for the "not so tech savy" to learn lol)

I certainly hope the Govt got a deal....its a big investment! (And tech can be outdated so quickly nowdays)

But like most on here, i agree, the new tech will help the popo's immensely!, and hopefuly it will save money in the long term
And as someone who babysits corporates and there technology for a job (And previously the popo's tech)...I certainly hope the support services for these new devices has also been tested! (Vodafone is not generally known for its great service support at this level)

...I certainly hope the popos enjoy the new tech, and it works out for them...end of the day, it keeps techy nerds like me employed!:killingme

[Kermit250]

...I certainly hope the popos enjoy the new tech, and it works out for them...end of the day, it keeps techy nerds like me employed!:killingme

+1000, it's keeping me employed :niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Everyone is always raving on that they should be doing some "real work" and catching the "real crims". Perhaps this will help towards doing a bit more that eh?

Wot ?? Now they can catch crims on the interdweb ??


Nice!:niceone:

...I certainly hope the popos enjoy the new tech, and it works out for them...end of the day, it keeps techy nerds like me employed!:killingme

I certainly hope the Smart technology is within the capablities of our dumb cops ..

[mashman]

How are they going to carry them? Wonder if the street kids will start removing them from the officers?

[Banditbandit]

How are they going to carry them? Wonder if the street kids will start removing them from the officers?

No point - the boys in blue can remotely wipe them ... I suppose the kids get an ipad - but then they have to load everything ..

[mashman]

No point - the boys in blue can remotely wipe them ... I suppose the kids get an ipad - but then they have to load everything ..

I read that and it was more the getting of the iCrap that was concerning. Which is kinda why I was wondering how they were going to carry those 10.x inch devices. Hopefully they don't fall out of the pockets whilst running :msn-wink:

[Kermit250]

Looks like they only spoke to the media about the iStuff. Appears that lots of different devices and platforms will be used.

Wow that blows my argument out of the water. Good luck to the people that have to manage that sort of fragmentation.

[SMOKEU]

mind you, Apple does do a great job making technology usable for all (Nice simple layout etc...yes...thats a nice way of saying even techno retards can use them...not a cheap shot!, thats the beauty of apple products, its usable technology for ALL)



If someone is too stupid to use a typical Android product, then they shouldn't be using this sort of technology at all.

[Gremlin]

Wow that blows my argument out of the water. Good luck to the people that have to manage that sort of fragmentation.
When you're deploying that many devices the obvious choice is some MDM platform... that said, I know a few cops/detectives, and it's a continual fight between getting what you need and trying to get away with the cheapest solution...

Glad I ain't managing that... :eek:

[Kermit250]

If someone is too stupid to use a typical Android product, then they shouldn't be using this sort of technology at all.

Yep that kind if attitude will take you really far. If people can't work out how to use technology that is designed for them, then that technology has failed.

All tech is useless if it won't be used. Apple understand this, Google understand this and they are both still working very hard to enable the masses to use their products with ease.

[Kermit250]

When you're deploying that many devices the obvious choice is some MDM platform... that said, I know a few cops/detectives, and it's a continual fight between getting what you need and trying to get away with the cheapest solution...

Glad I ain't managing that... :eek:

Yep all I was thinking is that everyone chooses what they get, nobody will agree and management will proclaim it a fantastic success then find a scapegoat and move onto the next best thing.

Hopefully it will be a well organised setup that actually works for them.

[SMOKEU]

Yep that kind if attitude will take you really far. If people can't work out how to use technology that is designed for them, then that technology has failed.

All tech is useless if it won't be used. Apple understand this, Google understand this and they are both still working very hard to enable the masses to use their products with ease.

You can't fix stupidity. Technology can only be "dumbed down" to a certain point before it starts to lose functionality (just look at Apple). If the end users don't wish to spend a few minutes learning the basics of an unfamiliar OS, or to do a quick online search for things that they are unsure about, or if they are simply too stupid to do the basics then they should simply not use that product at all. The first time I ever used Android I was slightly overwhelmed, but within about 5 minutes I managed to figure out the majority of it and I could easily use the OS. It's not that difficult, and just about any retard can tap the screen and click on icons.

Also, most Android devices are self explanatory to do the majority of simple tasks. Push the "back" button to go back, push the phone symbol to make a phone call etc. How difficult is that for a non brain-dead moron? This is nothing more than more brainwashing by Apple to lure unsuspecting fools into paying significantly more than they need to. The police complain that they are understaffed and under-resourced, so why not buy an Android product for half the price that achieves the same thing?

Have you ever wondered why it takes more than a few minutes for a n00b to become a sysadmin with Windows Server software, for example? Powerful software has to have a certain amount of complexity to it, otherwise it's no longer powerful.

[Scuba_Steve]

You can't fix stupidity. ....

Apparently right. You're anti-Apple (through ignorance like most) & suspect always will be. There is so much wrong in your post it's pointless trying to learn you. End of day your anti-Apple stance is only your loss really

[Zedder]

Apparently right. You're anti-Apple (through ignorance like most) & suspect always will be. There is so much wrong in your post it's pointless trying to learn you. End of day your anti-Apple stance is only your loss really

Anti-Apple? I got the impression he was anti-everything...

[oneofsix]

Anti-Apple? I got the impression he was anti-everything...

Everything? I thought it was everybody, especially users that don't want to be sysadmins. Also seems to think complexity denote power rather than refusal to look at their original cock-ups honestly.

[mashman]

Do the Police run iMacs for their desktops? How easy is it these days to sync an iCrap device to a Windows PC?

[Scuba_Steve]

Do the Police run iMacs for their desktops? How easy is it these days to sync an iCrap device to a Windows PC?

Was it ever hard???
Linux however is a different story

[Zedder]

Do the Police run iMacs for their desktops? How easy is it these days to sync an iCrap device to a Windows PC?

Dunno about the Rozzers Masho but I use SyncMate 'cos I'm not a Techy much and it works for me orright, sniff.

[mashman]

Was it ever hard???
Linux however is a different story

Fook knows... I haven't had to do any Apple - PC integration since MAC share on NT 4 days (painful in ways)


Dunno about the Rozzers Masho but I use SyncMate 'cos I'm not a Techy much and it works for me orright, sniff.

techno techno techno... Fair play guv.

[Kermit250]

Apparently right. You're anti-Apple (through ignorance like most) & suspect always will be. There is so much wrong in your post it's pointless trying to learn you. End of day your anti-Apple stance is only your loss really

Exactly why I never bothered to respond. Won't get anywhere.

Complexity does not mean power, nor does a well designed UI mean that something is "useless"

I still don't get this crazy brand loyalty to these tech firms. Use whatever works for you, why get so emotional over what company someone decides to buy their stuff from?

[Zedder]

Exactly why I never bothered to respond. Won't get anywhere.

Complexity does not mean power, nor does a well designed UI mean that something is "useless"

I still don't get this crazy brand loyalty to these tech firms. Use whatever works for you, why get so emotional over what company someone decides to buy their stuff from?

Use whatever works for you is right.

For some people though it's like a personal attack on them if you don't like a certain brand.

[bogan]

Use whatever works for you is right.

To a degree, whatever works should periodically be upgraded to whatever works best. Course, the choice of what works best should include the cost of change, which is what a lot of people don't seem to understand, making their assertions of user stupidity somewhat ironic.

[Zedder]

To a degree, whatever works should periodically be upgraded to whatever works best. Course, the choice of what works best should include the cost of change, which is what a lot of people don't seem to understand, making their assertions of user stupidity somewhat ironic.

Not all people are innovators or early adopters though. So, what works well for a short time for some, may work well for a much longer time for others.

Those who make assertions of user stupidity have a tendency to make other idiotic assertions often.

[bogan]

Not all people are innovators or early adopters though. So, what works well for a short time for some, may work well for a much longer time for others.

Those who make assertions of user stupidity have a tendency to make other idiotic assertions often.

Yup, but there are many who use old stuff because of an aversion to change, then when they finally do go to a newer system, wish they had earlier; just about finding out and balancing that cost of change.

haha, you've noticed that too then :whistle:

[Zedder]

Yup, but there are many who use old stuff because of an aversion to change, then when they finally do go to a newer system, wish they had earlier; just about finding out and balancing that cost of change.

haha, you've noticed that too then :whistle:

It's about having an open mind as well so they can do the finding out and balancing that cost of change.

I couldn't resist commenting on the stupidity bit.

[imdying]

Yep that kind if attitude will take you really far.He's correct. If a 3 year old can unlock a Galaxy and play Angry Birds or the Barbie game, then any adult would have to be retareded not be able to handle one.

[Zedder]

He's correct. If a 3 year old can unlock a Galaxy and play Angry Birds or the Barbie game, then any adult would have to be retareded not be able to handle one.

This thread is starting to smoke a bit...