Motorcycles don't count as vehicles

[davereid]

At least according to the census.

Question 18 "How many motor vehicles (not counting motorbikes) do the people who live here have available for their use ?

I can't imagine why they would ask a question that deliberately excludes motorbikes when discussing transport.

As far as i'm concerned, if they wont count my motorbikes, I wont count my cars, so it will be a big fat zero vehicles on my form.

[Drew]

Because people like me own lots, but only one is a road use vehicle...Legally.

[Katman]

As far as i'm concerned, if they wont count my motorbikes, I wont count my cars, so it will be a big fat zero vehicles on my form.

What a rebel.

[Grizzo]

Don't think I told the truth on any of the questions.

Fuck em I say.

[FJRider]

As far as i'm concerned, if they wont count my motorbikes, I wont count my cars, so it will be a big fat zero vehicles on my form.

Tell somebody that cares ... what you put on your form is your business ...

[Grizzo]

Tell somebody that cares ... what you put on your form is your business ...

Obviously not, if the gubberment is asking for it:weird:

[Marmoot]

It is always interesting for me to see people filling out census/surveys frivolously then complaining when the government makes a policy that "does not match the reality".

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Vehicles owned: 1 motorcycle, ethnicity: motorcyclist, religion: motorcyclist, occupation: motorcyclist, etc.

[Grizzo]

It is always interesting for me to see people filling out census/surveys frivolously then complaining when the government makes a policy that "does not match the reality".

Oh yeah thats right, they do the census to make new policies.

That would make a great Tui billboard:lol:

[Drew]

It is always interesting for me to see people filling out census/surveys frivolously then complaining when the government makes a policy that "does not match the reality".
Oh right, governmental decision making is based on info gathered from the public.

[davereid]

Oh right, governmental decision making is based on info gathered from the public.

And by considering submissions yeah right LOL

[FJRider]

Oh right, governmental decision making is based on info gathered from the public.

True in many respects ... under the heading of "Statistics" ...

Many of the various Local Body (not just Central Government) policy changes are based on the facts (???) and figures gained through census.

[mashman]

Because people like me own lots, but only one is a road use vehicle...Legally.

True... coz no household has more than 1 car per person available to them.

[bogan]

Oh right, governmental decision making is based on info gathered from the public.

All the time, they just get really picky about what info they gather...

[Drew]

True... coz no household has more than 1 car per person available to them.I have six bikes. One of them is not a race or dirt bike.

[Jantar]

The simple solution is to fill the form out correctly, but refuse to sign it. At the end of the form you have to sign that the information given is true and correct. By excluding the number of motorcycles from the vehicle count then obviously the information is not true and correct.

[Akzle]

yeah, i'm going to take someone elses advice and not be in territorial waters from about 11:59 to 12:01.

interesting to soo the "smoking" question in there, too. i'm sure that's related to public policy...



Vehicles owned: 1 motorcycle, ethnicity: motorcyclist, religion: motorcyclist, occupation: motorcyclist, etc.
:cool::niceone:

[hayd3n]

if its not a vehicle then why do we have to register it?
:rolleyes:

[mashman]

I have six bikes. One of them is not a race or dirt bike.

And? The questions asked: How many motor vehicles (not counting motorbikes) do the people who live here have available for their use? If you have a race/rally/stock car etc... is that available for use? If it's functional, then it's available for use?

[Old Steve]

Vehicles owned: 1 motorcycle, ethnicity: motorcyclist, religion: motorcyclist, occupation: motorcyclist, etc.

Years ago, our flatmate entered "Ultruistic Hedonist" as his religion. My wife and I entered it against our religions the next census (and ever since) and in the newspapers it was reported that Ultruistic Hedonists had increased by 200%

Guess we're all Ultruistic Hedonists - as motorcyclists we are only interested in the highest quality pleasures.

ULTRUISTIC HEDONISM!!! The quality religion.

[Sable]

Do you mean altruistic?

[Swoop]

Lies, Damned lies, and statistics.

I guess they will be getting lots of the former, so they can be busy for the next (?) years working out and manipulating the latter.

[Tryhard]

Maybe he means Autistic :lol:

[FJRider]

I guess they will be getting lots of the former, so they can be busy for the next (?) years working out and manipulating the latter.

The only thing for sure that will change due to the census ... is the electoral boundrys for the next election ...

[kevie]

on teh last census they asked how I got to work that day .... "Excluding motorcycle"

I wrote if firm red pen "If my motorcycle isnt a motor vehicle why the f#@k am I paying so much registration for it" then in the answer space I wrote with red felt pen "MOTORCYCLE!!!!"

I went onto the census website and have asked them why they have excluded motorcycles when its w often used form of transport and we are required to pay a very hight registration fee to use them.

will be interesting if they actually reply, if they do i will post the reply on here

But I recon all bikers should email similar to them as well.

[Berries]

Maybe he means Autistic :lol:
Was it religion or region? I'm all confused now.

[imdying]

You're a fucking idiot.

/edit: Actually, now I've read the whole thread, it's actually a thread full of fucking idiots.

It's amazing how important some people think bikes are... I might start campaigning to have them banned just to fuck with the dick heads in this thread.

[nzmikey]

What is this "census" that everyone seems to be talking about ?

I have never done one but it sounds like it comes around every 5 - 10 yrs .... if the fuckers want me then they will have to run along side me or try at stupid o'clock when I get in the door .... but good luck in me answering the door at night as I tend to walk around Nekid ( I am sure that it is my right to in my own house :lol: )

[swbarnett]

It's amazing how important some people think bikes are...
Just as important as any car driver.

My wife and I both commute by motorcycle. We don't own any other form of transport and never use public transport (there's none available where we live anyway). Why do we not count?

What gets me is that they don't explain why they want to know. If it was for calculating road wear then I wouldn't mind. I just wish they'd explain it.

[imdying]

Just as important as any car driver.

My wife and I both commute by motorcycle. We don't own any other form of transport and never use public transport (there's none available where we live anyway). Why do we not count?

What gets me is that they don't explain why they want to know. If it was for calculating road ware then I wouldn't mind. I just wish they'd wxplain it.

God you are so close to 'getting it' it's not funny, why not just take that extra step?

[swbarnett]

God you are so close to 'getting it' it's not funny, why not just take that extra step?
Are you saying that you have inside information that it IS for calculating road wear?

[MSTRS]

Ware? Wear? Where?

[swbarnett]

Ware? Wear? Where?
The second one. I looked it up this time.

[Scuba_Steve]

Just as important as any car driver.

My wife and I both commute by motorcycle. We don't own any other form of transport and never use public transport (there's none available where we live anyway). Why do we not count?

What gets me is that they don't explain why they want to know. If it was for calculating road wear then I wouldn't mind. I just wish they'd explain it.

Well here's the info from the Census/Statistics NZ about the vehicle section (formatting lost in translation but everything's there)


Main means of travel to work
There will be no change to the main means of travel to work topic for the 2011 Census.
There were several submissions with an interest in broadening the means of 'travel to work' question to extend to means of 'travel to education'. Local authorities have a particular interest in this data to aid transportation planning.
The New Zealand Travel Survey is an existing source of data on travel to education. The survey is commissioned by the Ministry of Transport with a sample of 2,800 households from all over New Zealand.
Data for main means of travel to work gains its value from being combined with workplace address data, also collected in the census. Together, this data allows the analysis of travel patterns between home and work for those in paid employment. If this topic was extended to cover destinations other than paid employment, to gain value the address of the destination would also need to be collected. Address data is difficult and costly to process.
Therefore, it has been decided that the main means of travel to work question will not be altered to include the means of travel to education.

Main means of travel to work is the mode of transport used on census day by the respondent to cover the greatest distance on the journey to their workplace. Main means of travel to work data from the census is used:
in conjunction with workplace address content to measure traffic flows of the employed population
extensively by transport planners to plan and manage transport, particularly in large cities like Auckland and Wellington where congestion is a problem
to gauge the growing number of people working from home
to apportion urban transport levies between local authorities
by Statistics NZ to produce analytical reports on trends in travel to work patterns, such as Commuting Patterns in New Zealand: 1996–2006.

[Bald Eagle]

The simple solution is to fill the form out correctly, but refuse to sign it. At the end of the form you have to sign that the information given is true and correct. By excluding the number of motorcycles from the vehicle count then obviously the information is not true and correct.

Nice thought. Must check wether the act requires the signature as well as the answers or just that you fill in the form.

BTW Emailed asking why m/bikes are excluded and got a response back so quickly it appears they already have a email rule/filter for this question. Here's the suspiciously generic no human intervention required reply.


"Thank you for contacting the census helpline.
Motorbikes and scooters are excluded from question 18 on the Dwelling Form, because these forms of transport have been seen as having some limitations in the use that can be made of them. For example, motorbikes and scooters are not suitable transport for small children, or for elderly people for purposes such as obtaining medical treatment.

We know there is interest in expanding this question to include other types of vehicles such as motorbikes, scooters and bicycles. Time constraints and a minimal change policy meant we could not do this for the 2013 Census. We will consider changing the question for the next census. "

Interesting they make a value judgment about suitability for transporting small children and elderly. Not sure how they justify that statement.

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting they make a value judgment about suitability for transporting small children and elderly. Not sure how they justify that statement.


Common sense I suspect.....

[bogan]

Sounds like its for responding to emergencies then, makes sense to me.

[MSTRS]

I suppose I should actually have a read of the bloody form/s...but....the vehicle question seems fraught. Is it 'main means of transport' or 'main means of getting to work' ??

[Akzle]

You're a fucking idiot.

/edit: Actually, now I've read the whole thread, it's actually a thread full of fucking idiots.

...and now you're here! thread complete!

[Old Steve]

Do you mean altruistic?

Yeah, I really mean that my spelking is carp!!!

[imdying]

...and now you're here! thread complete!This is like some Catholic priest calling me out over child molestation :bleh:

[Drew]

You're a fucking idiot.

/edit: Actually, now I've read the whole thread, it's actually a thread full of fucking idiots.

It's amazing how important some people think bikes are... I might start campaigning to have them banned just to fuck with the dick heads in this thread.

I can't remember if I'm normally at odds with what you say, or onbaord....But I like this post.

[kevie]

BTW Emailed asking why m/bikes are excluded and got a response back so quickly it appears they already have a email rule/filter for this question. Here's the suspiciously generic no human intervention required reply.


I received the same reply to my email ...... obviously no humans in the census department (or they all gone into hiding) , just dumbass computer generated replies that to me ... doesn't really answer the question. Surely ALL modes of transport are relevant to planning what is done in the area of roading ...

one plus tho .... they wont get the count of how many motorcycles are being used out there ..... compared to how many of them are registered :sweatdrop

[Berries]

You're a fucking idiot.
Sorry.



10mfchars

[Akzle]

Sorry.


i'm sorry too


((it's a straight world without twisties... can't. find. pic. damn.))

[Laava]

This is like some Catholic priest calling me out over child molestation :bleh:

So you're a child molester?:lol:

[imdying]

So you're a child molester?:lol:Dude, what's the best thing about twenty three year olds?

[Disco Dan]

Dude, what's the best thing about twenty three year olds?

Twenty 3 year olds or 23 year olds?

[Laava]

Dude, what's the best thing about twenty three year olds?

Boys or girls?

[Maha]

It's amazing how important some people think bikes are....

Can't argue with this bit. They an item in which some choose to own/enjoy/talk about/necessitate and at times, spend lots of money...but important? not really.
I mean, if they were, surely they would count as a mode of transport in the census? :girlfight:

[Drew]

Can't argue with this bit. They an item in which some choose to own/enjoy/talk about/necessitate and at times, spend lots of money...but important? not really.
I mean, if they were, surely they would count as a mode of transport in the census? :girlfight:

My census form has motorcycle as an option for how I got to work.

What is this thread all about?

[Disco Dan]

My census form has motorcycle as an option for how I got to work.

What is this thread all about?

I understand it to relate to the "dwelling" form not the individual form which DOES count motorbikes....

[Drew]

I understand it to relate to the "dwelling" form not the individual form which DOES count motorbikes....Oh right, I'll have a look over that one too then.

[nodrog]

how come all you homos already have a census form?

[kevie]

My census form has motorcycle as an option for how I got to work.

What is this thread all about?

Its about the "Dwelling" form and question 18 asking what vehicles you have avilable and says "excluding motorcycles"

last census they excluded motorcycles from the way you got to work, after some flak they have added it on this one ...... so to let them know motorcycles are important, lets all write on the forms in bold red the motorcycles we own.

[mashman]

how come all you homos already have a census form?

coz our husbands are in the kitchen or the laundry all day... although they do need a good excuse to be answering the door.

[Berries]

how come all you homos already have a census form?
Cos the bastards came round at 8pm and dropped them off. No envelope either so I can't lie and say I have posted them.

[Sable]

on teh last census they asked how I got to work that day .... "Excluding motorcycle"

I wrote if firm red pen "If my motorcycle isnt a motor vehicle why the f#@k am I paying so much registration for it" then in the answer space I wrote with red felt pen "MOTORCYCLE!!!!"

I went onto the census website and have asked them why they have excluded motorcycles when its w often used form of transport and we are required to pay a very hight registration fee to use them.

will be interesting if they actually reply, if they do i will post the reply on here

But I recon all bikers should email similar to them as well.

Wow, really sticking it to the man right here.