How to keep up on a small bike

[Maha]

First rule about the "Zone" is we don't talk about the "Zone"!

Fucking gay homo sensitive shite!:cool:

Hey! I have been there...(NO, NOT THE HOMO PART) just the once, felt really really good and nothing was going to go wrong that day..why I never went for a ride is beyond me? :(

[Vgygrwr]

Perhaps "flow" and "zone" ought not be mixed
Csíkszentmihályi described flow as "being completely involved in an activity for its own sake. The ego falls away. Time flies. Every action, movement, and thought follows inevitably from the previous one, like playing jazz. Your whole being is involved, and you're using your skills to the utmost."
To achieve a flow state, a balance must be struck between the challenge of the task and the skill of the performer. If the task is too easy or too difficult, flow cannot occur. Both skill level and challenge level must be matched and high; if skill and challenge are low and matched, then apathy results.

So the opposite to flow are boredom and apathy, perhaps not the most appropriate for safety on the road. However I had understood flow comes with skill, unlikely for a new rider if they are still consciously learning basic skills such as situational awareness and bike control.

[MSTRS]

The thing about The Zone is it can be, and is, elusive - it may find you, never the other way round.
Which is why so many deny its existence and none who experience it can describe how to achieve it.
We can describe (partly) how it feels, but that's it. We really have little to no control over when it takes effect. It's a lot like that odd human condition called love.

[_Shrek_]

The thing about The Zone is it can be, and is, elusive - it may find you, never the other way round.
Which is why so many deny its existence and none who experience it can describe how to achieve it.
We can describe (partly) how it feels, but that's it. We really have little to no control over when it takes effect. It's a lot like that odd human condition called love.

:clap: well said, when heading north from here we have several choices of which way to go :headbang: the one I use most would be the Lindis Pass, Tekapo etc... & some times I've got to Fairlee & can't remember that part of the trip but the feeling is "what a ride" :woohoo:

& that is at a speed where you don't get pulled over, or a flash of lights now & then :innocent:

[Ocean1]

I could imagine the very real danger of a newbie thinking that if they just concentrate hard enough on what they're 'doing', they'll suddenly find themselves in some Motorcycling Nirvana.

Yeah, you tend to imagine a bunch of shit.

And that's about as close to any understanding of cognitive anthropology as you'll ever get.

But, y'know, I'm not one to discourage people, if you wrote all of your imaginings down in a decent sized book with nice soft absorbant pages you could probably flog it OK at the local fair.

[FJRider]

Just curious FJ, if you were a newbie, what practical steps would you take to try and achieve emulating it?

The emulation of fast riders riding fast is not for a newbie .. in my opinion.

I enjoy all motorcycle rides.

Some I enjoy more than others.

If I go over the speed limit ... and I can enjoy that too. But I know I start thinking less about anybody else on the road when I do. (and be caught out with things I was not thinking about)

But I have plenty of beautiful rides on roads that don't require 200 km/hr to get me excited.

[george formby]

I reckon getting in the "zone" & riding at quick average speed on the road, not sprot bike warp factor... comes from focusing on riding well, not fast. Road craft, technique, lines, observation etc lead to efficient, safe riding & a by product is finding yourself traveling faster than the rest of the traffic or the law permits. Still riding to the conditions, though.
How often has anybody here been enjoying a nice road, not going mental, but just getting into a nice rhythm only to glance at the speedo & see naughty numbers then backing off & it feels like walking pace?

Years ago a Eurocrat called Bangerman (Herr) wanted to impose a blanket horsepowers limit on motorcycles in Yerp. The British gummint did a study to see if he had a point. The conclusion was that "experienced" riders of large, powerful bikes were less likely to cause an accident than your average road user or the rider of a small bike because their concentration & focus was so high at the speeds they travelled at.
Maggie Thatcher vetoed the proposal & you can still buy a full power R1 in Yerp as a result. Came down to that one deciding vote... Scary.

[sugilite]

I could imagine the very real danger of a newbie thinking that if they just concentrate hard enough on what they're 'doing', they'll suddenly find themselves in some Motorcycling Nirvana. Unfortunately it's very likely to be at the expense of committing sufficient attention to what's happening around them.


I can think of worse things for newbies to aspire to than concentrating hard, but I get your point. However whether they find themselves in this motorcycling nirvana is purely subjective to themselves.



The emulation of fast riders riding fast is not for a newbie .. in my opinion.

I enjoy all motorcycle rides.

Some I enjoy more than others.

If I go over the speed limit ... and I can enjoy that too. But I know I start thinking less about anybody else on the road when I do. (and be caught out with things I was not thinking about)

But I have plenty of beautiful rides on roads that don't require 200 km/hr to get me excited.

Not one of your points attempts to answer my question to you, but I was expecting that because after I read your post to Katman below......


And what about the newbie ... that has heard talk of "the zone" ... and tries to emulate it ... :scratch:

I was buggered after reading my and other peoples posts regarding this "zone" of a single practical way of trying to emulate it, other than practicing things over and over again until it's 2nd nature. Even then, that is no guaranteed gateway into this mystery zone because as John puts it oh so well below...


The thing about The Zone is it can be, and is, elusive - it may find you, never the other way round.
Which is why so many deny its existence and none who experience it can describe how to achieve it.
We can describe (partly) how it feels, but that's it. We really have little to no control over when it takes effect. It's a lot like that odd human condition called love.

Which brings me back to my earlier statement.

My opinion on these "zones", is they are near indefinable, unique to each person and unteachable.

I don't feel we are going to find the ditches festooned with the bodies of newbies because they tried to emulate an indefinable zone described on the internet, especially if it meant concentrating really hard and practicing things over and over until it is 2nd nature.

I support the KB safetycrats and what they are trying to achieve, but getting over precious about theoretical states of mind is getting fairly close to saddling up a ten speed while wearing a suit complete with natty name badge, then going door knocking imho.

[Katman]

Quite honestly Anthony, the less people we have trying to find some sort of trance-like state on our roads, the better.

[MSTRS]

Quite honestly Anthony, the less people we have trying to find some sort of trance-like state on our roads, the better.

Too late...there's fecking thousands of them out there right now, sleeping the journey away in their car. And quite possibly on bikes too, from some of the plonkers I've seen about the place.

[sugilite]

Quite honestly Anthony, the less people we have trying to find some sort of trance-like state on our roads, the better.
Equally honestly Steve, the best way to keep your self out of a trance, is to mentally try and put yourself into one.

[Subike]

Equally honestly Steve, the best way to keep your self out of a trance, is to mentally try and put yourself into one.
I hope I never try that when riding...I do it each night to go to sleep,...put myself into a trance like relaxed state.
anyways, this "state" of riding that can be achieved I find is when I am touring, at the limit, know where I am going and just meld with the machine. Feel the road, the wheels just becoming an extension of my own self. You are all right when you say, how do you explain it, you cannot. Many will never feel it, because it also , I think, requires an understanding of mechanics, and machinery..You know how every part of your bikes works and why, you can feel it. But to explain it to someone who has no mechanical knowledge, just fills the tank, and rides, even if they are a very competent rider, not going to happen.

[FJRider]

I can think of worse things for newbies to aspire to than concentrating hard, but I get your point. However whether they find themselves in this motorcycling nirvana is purely subjective to themselves.

In my own experiences in (or near .. ???) "the Zone" ... I've found the road and circumstances to be sort of "one with the road" sort of feeling. The speed at first seems no issue (as at first it's not) as it's usually at (or near) legal speeds. As time then progress's ... the feeling of the need to push the feeling more and more ... which is where the increase in speed starts. Some are quite happy with legal speed nirvana ... and so they should be.

But to a newbie ... or one new to that feeling ... it can be addictive. And you can get drawn into "the moment" ...
Chasing the feeling with little experience in situations such feelings "encourage" ... push the boundaries of what is safe. And probable.

I often chase the feeling on roads where the speed is not possible ... just average speed can be increased. And I know when that feeling is just not there. Just not "in the mood" type feeling. Then I just tootle along and enjoy the view.

I encourage people to enjoy their rides ... but not to the detriment of another persons day. Even WE do not have that right. And I try not to ruin my OWN day. That's not fun at all.

In my opinion .. experience is not about quantity ... but practicality,variety and quality of their experience. 10 years of riding within 100 km's of Auckland city ... will not prepare you for the south island west coast.

[Motu]

The thing about The Zone is it can be, and is, elusive - it may find you, never the other way round.
Which is why so many deny its existence and none who experience it can describe how to achieve it.
We can describe (partly) how it feels, but that's it. We really have little to no control over when it takes effect.

Not that I want to get involved in this thread, but I'm reading Neil Young's book Waging Heaving Peace today, this is what he wrote about playing with Crazy Horse. It's about finding that magical musical place.....to me very similar to my magical motorcycle place -

''Don't spook the Horse. This is very essential to the success of any ride.The Horse will head for the barn if it's spooked, and the music will continue but not have that magic that the Horse possesses. Any ride on the Horse must not have a destination. History has shown that the best way to spook the Horse is to tell it what to do or where to go, or even worse, how to get there. You must not speak directly to the Horse or ever look the Horse in the eyes until the ride is over and the Horse is secured in the barn. Disrespect for the muse will piss off the Horse, and possibly vice versa. The Horse will not tolerate anyone who is over complimentary.''

He rambles on a bit more on the subject, but you get the idea. I let the ride come to me, I don't go looking - I don't look the Horse in the eye, he'll come to me when I'm ready.

[Ocean1]

Not that I want to get involved in this thread,

You might as well, dude, damn near every other bastard's got an opinion about how everyone else should ride.


I'm reading Neil Young's book Waging Heaving Peace today,

Might just order that book. And the reference ain't far wrong either.

[GrayWolf]

Quite honestly Anthony, the less people we have trying to find some sort of trance-like state on our roads, the better.

Katman what the EF is it with you? Do you deliberately get your record STUCK in one groove and refuse to even concede you may JUST be misreading something??

I'll re-iterate 'a state of 'FLOW' is NOT repeat NOT a 'trancelike' state... go and read the fucking theory instead of spouting crap, PLEASE!! :brick::brick:

FLOW... when the CHALLENGE of the activity is EQUAL to the skills of the participant....
So riding a Motorcycle requires INTERNAL SKILL... the ability and craft to ride the bike, and EXTERNAL AWARENESS of surroundings These two characteristics are required to complete the activity of riding a motorcycle competently....

Speed is not a required factor, neither is a trancelike state.... FFS.... It is a COMPLETE INVOLVEMENT of the activity.... A surgeon can acheive a state of 'Flow'. An operation could be challenging to perform and take his skill to their maximum, without causing stress.... at that point and that is the CRITICAL factor; challenge high, skills high and in a state of 'balance'.... FLOW.... complete involvement of the activity engaged in.
I am not going to try to educate you any further... at least one other poster on here has read the theory and understands it.. I have a pretty good idea Ocean and a couple of others get it as well.....

and as for what about post 206... when you can debate and accept others points could be valid? I MIGHT concede to look at yours .. Have a nice evening

[Katman]

So anyway, back to post #206.

[Deano]

So anyway, back to post #206.

So anyway, how's about another beer.

[Katman]

So anyway, how's about another beer.

Your shout.

[Deano]

Your shout.

I'm man enough. Are you?

[Mushu]

So anyway, back to post #206.

Your answer is to point to a post that asks if it's in a police handbook, I guess you've never had to deal with the police, they usually don't know shit about anything.

Although the police motorcycle gymkhana tests/comps are very impressive both in America and Japan I have to concede some do know how to handle a bike extremely well at low speed

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[Katman]

Your answer is to point to a post that asks if it's in a police handbook, I guess you've never had to deal with the police, they usually don't know shit about anything.



Go sit at the back of the class with the retards.

I'm asking Graywolf what the Police Handbook (that he calls the "definitive book on motorcycling") says about 'The Zone'.

[FJRider]

Your answer is to point to a post that asks if it's in a police handbook, I guess you've never had to deal with the police, they usually don't know shit about anything.

Although the police motorcycle gymkhana tests/comps are very impressive both in America and Japan I have to concede some do know how to handle a bike extremely well at low speed

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Care to post the reasons for your familiarity with Police procedure and training content .. ???

[Jantar]

......

FLOW... when the CHALLENGE of the activity is EQUAL to the skills of the participant........
I certainly hope you are not serious about that. Any motorcyclist who regularly rides to the limit of their skill is asking for trouble.

I often feel like I am just flowing along and its a brilliant feeling. But the challenge is only around 50% (or less) of my skill. I like to keep heaps in reserve.

[bosslady]

gee whizz, so much opinion, thought and argument being put into how people should ride. Just get on it and go!

[_Shrek_]

well there's been :angry2: :girlfight: :brick: :clap: & :facepalm:

as you were :apint: :corn:

[Karl08]

but can the zone help you bullseye womp rats in your T-16....their not much bigger than 2 meters, or so I am told.

[GrayWolf]

I certainly hope you are not serious about that. Any motorcyclist who regularly rides to the limit of their skill is asking for trouble.

I often feel like I am just flowing along and its a brilliant feeling. But the challenge is only around 50% (or less) of my skill. I like to keep heaps in reserve.

Jantar, go read the theory and get back to me?? REPEAT< REPEAT< REPEAT it isnt about going to the MAX, FLAT OUT, 200 fkn kph an hour... it's a 'balance'... as I posted in ????? you could ride a Royal Enfield 500 bullet over the Taka's and achieve 'FLOW' the 'total package' of skills required to ride a motorcycle need to be used, road placement, gear selection, lean angle, spatial awareness, roadcraft, environmental awareness (other vehicles) .....


I THINK I AM GOING TO BOOK MYSELF IN FOR A CEREBRAL LOBOTOMY.... THEN I MIGHT JUST 'FIT IN' ON KB.....:brick::brick::brick:

[Katman]

So anyway, back to post #206.

[Mushu]

Care to post the reasons for your familiarity with Police procedure and training content .. ???

Not familiar with their training (unless you wondering how I know about the gymkhana thing, look up there are some impressive vids on YouTube). But I have had experience of the attitudes of police and other than a couple of rare good encounters, cops seem to be small minded and often oblivious to what is actually going on. I'm one extreme case I saw a cop relentlessly hassle my friend and then blatantly lie in court.

And I'm supposed to trust the guys that teach these guys, don't think so.

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[FJRider]

look up there are some impressive vids on YouTube). But I have had experience of the attitudes of police and other than a couple of rare good encounters

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You saw it on YouTube ... :killingme

[Mushu]

You saw it on YouTube ... :killingme

Talking about how some of these cops posses awesome skills at slow speeds watch a few of these vids and tell me I'm wrong

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[Jantar]

...
FLOW... when the CHALLENGE of the activity is EQUAL to the skills of the participant.....


Jantar, go read the theory and get back to me?? REPEAT< REPEAT< REPEAT it isnt about going to the MAX, FLAT OUT, 200 fkn kph an hour... it's a 'balance'... ....

If the challenge is EQUAL to the skills of the participant, then you are advocating that the rider ride to maximum of their ability. It is only when the skills of the rider exceed the challenge that they are riding safely. The rider must always keep something in reserve.

[Katman]

I'm still really wanting to know what the Police Riders Handbook to Better Motorcycling (the definitive book on motorcycling according to Graywolf) says about 'The Zone'.

[sugilite]

I'm still really wanting to know what the Police Riders Handbook to Better Motorcycling (the definitive book on motorcycling according to Graywolf) says about 'The Zone'.

Yeah, there will be. The no parking zone.

[Katman]

Well since Graywolf's not going to answer the question, I'm going to go out on a limb (because I haven't read the whole book) and say that the book says nothing about 'The Zone'.

I'm going to put that down to the fact that the writers of the book also think the whole 'Zone' thing is something best left off the road.

Graywolf is welcome to try correcting me on that though.

[=cJ=]

The rider must always keep something in reserve.

This I believe is the number one way to have a crash free existence on the road, nothing about zone, flow or whatever other quasi-mystical theory you may subscribe to.

[carburator]

twenty pages of ....

:whocares:

[FJRider]

This I believe is the number one way to have a crash free existence on the road, nothing about zone, flow or whatever other quasi-mystical theory you may subscribe to.

Warning. You are in danger of an infraction for improper use of logic. The use of logic with the thread in such a state of degeneration ... is entirely pointless ...

[Mushu]

This I believe is the number one way to have a crash free existence on the road, nothing about zone, flow or whatever other quasi-mystical theory you may subscribe to.

There's only 1 way to guarantee you won't be involved in a crash and that's to stay way away from the road.

Someone mentioned surgeons using the flow, why don't you jump on that, that's about as directly effecting the other party as possible.

If someone can prove that it's recognised in the medical literature that would have to end this argument pretty quick.
Any surgeons on KB? (tui anyone?)

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[FJRider]

There's only 1 way to guarantee you won't be involved in a crash and that's to stay way away from the road.

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It would be safe to say ... not riding to the extent of your abilities might help.

Minor errors then don't turn into really big fuck-ups ...

[Deano]

I'm still really wanting to know how to please a woman. But I guess I'll still keep posting my homosexual crap on kiwibiker, cause i don't know any better.

Not sure if anyone can help you Steve.

[Vgygrwr]

So the "flow" state occurs when fully engaged in what you are doing. Seems accidents/emergency actions are usually preceded by some form of distraction. I understand that both of these have been established through extensive observation not by any form of mysticism. The "flow" state ought be experienced daily in a number of activities by most, those who don't are likely missing out somewhat. However to hear of someone new to riding experiencing fear almost to the point of throwing up is an entirely different form of flow.
The study of "flow" comes from "positive" psychology: how is it that healthy people enjoy life and advance rather than the study of what is wrong with unhealthy people.
"Zone" seems to imply some level of "exciting" risk.

[MSTRS]

There's only 1 way to guarantee you won't be involved in a crash and that's to stay way away from the road.

Hmmm....really? (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-25/baby-killed-after-car-crashes-into-house/4483812)

[Owl]

Hmmm....really? (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-25/baby-killed-after-car-crashes-into-house/4483812)

Who's the idiot that put a house there? It's far too close to the road!:rolleyes:

[Katman]

Someone mentioned surgeons using the flow, why don't you jump on that, that's about as directly effecting the other party as possible.

If someone can prove that it's recognised in the medical literature that would have to end this argument pretty quick.


Not really.

Surgeons have a far smaller area of focus required of them.

They also have a whole team around them monitoring a whole array of issues that they can't afford to be distracted by.

[oneofsix]

ummm I seem to have lost track of this thread. It now appears that keeping up on a small bike involves surgery :eek:


:lol:

[ducatilover]

ummm I seem to have lost track of this thread. It now appears that keeping up on a small bike involves surgery :eek:


:lol:

Funny thing is it often does involve surgery :devil2:

[oneofsix]

Funny thing is it often does involve surgery :devil2:

is that keeping up or trying to keep up and failing, as in requiring reconstructive surgery? :scratch:

[ducatilover]

is that keeping up or trying to keep up and failing, as in requiring reconstructive surgery? :scratch:

Keeping up is simply a little blue pill :niceone: so, the latter

[GrayWolf]

Well since Graywolf's not going to answer the question, I'm going to go out on a limb (because I haven't read the whole book) and say that the book says nothing about 'The Zone'.

I'm going to put that down to the fact that the writers of the book also think the whole 'Zone' thing is something best left off the road.

Graywolf is welcome to try correcting me on that though. \



Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve? :wait::wait:

[Katman]

\
Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve? :wait::wait:

Don't worry, I've answered the question for us.

[Katman]

Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve? :wait::wait:

I've taken the liberty of going back through our conversation Graywolf. Care to point out where I've ignored a reasonable request or not responded in a reasonable manner?



I have mentioned a Psychological theory before in KB, the theory of 'Flow' in any task. If you read it, it may help you take note of you own performance and monitor your 'feelings' during a ride. Very basically it's a scale of Skill Vs Challenge..

.low skill high challenge = anxiety or no enjoyment, not able to 'learn' stress
high skill vs low challenge= bordom
challenge equal to the skill results in a state of 'flow' or complete absorption in the activity....... most long standing riders will likely know the feeling, when you may have a pillion and they complain you only stop for fuel... or you are in a 'group ride' and to 'you' they are stopping too often?? All you want to do is 'ride'.......FLOW!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29


aka....



I wish you'd read the theory before making such ridiculous comments KM, the theory of 'Flow' is about skill and challenge, absorption, in an activity so it is enjoyable. The Zone as it is so often called and you are calling a can of worms?
I can only assume from that, you NEVER enjoy riding? obviously to you, a state of 'flow' is not acceptable to the riding experience.. In which case I actually pity you, how sad it must be for your riding to be such a chore!


There has been lengthy discussion on here before about this 'Zone'.

Far too many see it as a state of intense focus on what they're 'doing' - to the detriment of being fully aware of what's going on around them.


What does this book say about 'The Zone' GW?


I would suggest you know shit about Csitzenmihalya's theory of 'Flow'... your constant response (and others) is focussed on SPEED... and focus ONLY on what you are doing, the skill for riding a bike is the whole package, internal and external awareness, as well as the skill actual of physically riding.
the idea of a state of flow, is when skill is equal to the challenge.... a state of timelessness, loss of 'self' is achieved. Flow can be found at work, See Kelly's theory on work .... pure work, to work for pleasure (restoring an old motorcycle is work for pleasure) This very work can induce a state of flow,,, how often have you been working in the garage and what seems minutes has been a few hours? State of flow.

This idea of the 'Zone' as so many motorcyclists perceive it, Yourself included is incorrect. Speed is NOT the object... Flow could be riding a low power bike like a Royal Enfield 500 Bullet through a series of tight twisty bends,,, certainly not fast, but if you are smooth, seemingly effortless through the bends, but having to think, be aware and mentally alert the whole time but not anxious or stressed, Challenge (the road itself) is equal to the skill you have as a rider...THAT is the state of flow as theorised. Riding balls out fast, is generally overconfidence above skill in most riders...


Chitzenwhatsit's theory of 'Flow' doesn't readily have any serious reality in motorcycling.

There's more likelihood of his theory being seen as some sort of Invincibility Cloak rather than it producing safer riders.

Save it for the track.


<<<< fixed it for you

Once again you simply display a knowledge of nothing K'man, the flow theory is a Psychological 'Wellness' theory, it could more readily be applied or used by instructors/mentors.. Understanding the state of arousal for a beginner is more likely to be anxiety and quite simple challenges will be sufficient to their skill level is hardly a 'worthless tool', is it? But then I bow to your superior knowledge on these subjects, I just wish I'd had your amazing knowledge to learn from at University.


Anyhow, back to post #206.


Katman what the EF is it with you? Do you deliberately get your record STUCK in one groove and refuse to even concede you may JUST be misreading something??

I'll re-iterate 'a state of 'FLOW' is NOT repeat NOT a 'trancelike' state... go and read the fucking theory instead of spouting crap, PLEASE!! :brick::brick:

FLOW... when the CHALLENGE of the activity is EQUAL to the skills of the participant....
So riding a Motorcycle requires INTERNAL SKILL... the ability and craft to ride the bike, and EXTERNAL AWARENESS of surroundings These two characteristics are required to complete the activity of riding a motorcycle competently....

Speed is not a required factor, neither is a trancelike state.... FFS.... It is a COMPLETE INVOLVEMENT of the activity.... A surgeon can acheive a state of 'Flow'. An operation could be challenging to perform and take his skill to their maximum, without causing stress.... at that point and that is the CRITICAL factor; challenge high, skills high and in a state of 'balance'.... FLOW.... complete involvement of the activity engaged in.
I am not going to try to educate you any further... at least one other poster on here has read the theory and understands it.. I have a pretty good idea Ocean and a couple of others get it as well.....

and as for what about post 206... when you can debate and accept others points could be valid? I MIGHT concede to look at yours .. Have a nice evening


So anyway, back to post #206.

[ducatilover]

I think we should organise a race

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[PrincessBandit]

Never say DB's surname into a mirror.

It's three times into a mirror...Candyman Candyman Can...



Sounds like a few people have really had a massive bridging spike shoved up their arses and have turned all grumpy (images of the garage guys after The Mask has visited them).

chill pills all round boys.

[Katman]

It's three times into a mirror...Candyman Candyman Can...


Yes, but it had already been said twice.