CBTA Competency Based Training and Assessment [Archive]

Hitcher

12th March 2013, 12:53

What did this course used to entail? How long was it?

Two full day workshops -- one for each of the restricted and full license steps. These involved defensive driving and roadcraft theory; supervised skills training, mostly low to moderate speed stuff in a controlled space; on-road sessions, both observational and participatory, fully supervised.

I learned heaps. I always come to a complete stop with the bike in first gear. Road lines are just as quick for the average rider as are race lines, not to mention way safer. As a pillion I know how to steer the bike.

Training was provided by Andrew Templeton.

Highly recommended.

MIXONE

12th March 2013, 12:57

If our acc money goes toward something like this I consider it money well spent.

Tricia1000

13th March 2013, 06:52

I don't know if ACC will be subsidising this course, or not.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

If our acc money goes toward something like this I consider it money well spent.

CookMySock

13th March 2013, 08:49

Devil

13th March 2013, 08:56

Be not persuaded then.

What happens in reality is that the rider receives much more hands on attention in their learning, and a whole lot of skills they're not otherwise taught at all in the standard GDLS. They're also observed by instructors more closely and for longer than a standard licence test.
It means a shit rider will get picked up on, yet a confident safe rider will get through.

Monkfish

13th March 2013, 09:02

Banditbandit

13th March 2013, 11:47

Courses are always good - even after 39 years of riding I learn something from every course I go on ...

Dragon

13th March 2013, 12:26

With LAMS and the Introduction of this Course:

A: you can already ride up to a 650. - wont change.
B: It only reduces the time on restricted from 18 months down to 12. - only a 6 month reduction.

I disagree with you. 6 months might only equate to a couple of thousand K's for alot of riders, would you learn as much on your lonesome in those 6 months, as on the Course?

Personally I cant wait for the introduction of this programme.

I do 550km a week atm can easily clear 1000kms if I go out on the weekend

so 2200kms a month is 13200kms over 6months

I also ride in rush hour traffic and it doesnt matter if its dark or wet/windy etc I still ride

I will be going on one of these asap (once they are avilable) and while I can understand why new riders/drivers need time to learn skills etc

Some people learn faster as well as clock up more hours/kms

Tbh I would find it interesting if I went and sat both tests and passed without having sat on my licence for the correct time period

Hitcher

13th March 2013, 12:43

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

I disagree. While saddle time is a good way of learning how to ride a motorcycle, repetitive short rides (like commuting and weekend cafe crawling) doesn't really teach people much. Unless they're committed to doing big rides in most imaginable conditions, then a commuter is just a commuter. Slow speed courses teach heaps, as does having one's general riding competence critiqued by a teaching professional.

Monkfish

13th March 2013, 14:14

I do 550km a week atm can easily clear 1000kms if I go out on the weekend

so 2200kms a month is 13200kms over 6months

I also ride in rush hour traffic and it doesnt matter if its dark or wet/windy etc I still ride

I will be going on one of these asap (once they are avilable) and while I can understand why new riders/drivers need time to learn skills etc

Some people learn faster as well as clock up more hours/kms

Yeah I agree, If your doing that many K's maybe you would figure it out by your self in 6months. I was just pointing out the merits of the course Vs the time you actually get reduced.

Dragon

13th March 2013, 14:49

Yeah I agree, If your doing that many K's maybe you would figure it out by your self in 6months. I was just pointing out the merits of the course Vs the time you actually get reduced.

Oh I do see your point and I'm willing to go on any course to help me either by giving me extra skills or to point out bad habits

The main issue I have with the time based licencing system is that not everybody gains expirence and skill at the same rate

Also once you do pass your full you are expected to be competent enough to ride anything and also take pillions with no previous experience with the extra weight

Personaly I would like to see a week course/test that if you pass gives you your full licence and involves rider training on bigger bikes as well as pillion riding etc and you have to pass a test on the larger bike to show that you can handle any bike which your full licence allows you to, this test should include tracks that have hazards on them ie diesal or ice on corners wet and dry conditions etc etc

Things that show you can confidently ride

If that makes sense

Also alot of males (not all) will go out and buy something grunty as hell after being stuck on a lams bike thats underpowered/heavy because theyve been fustrated for so long they will get a girl they want to impress on the back and just thrash the hell out of it.

Tbh you can do the same amount of damage coming off a 1000cc at 100-120km as you can on a 250cc also alot of the lams bikes are heavier then most of the sports bikes out

I get the reasoning about the power and acceration being to much for a learner to handle but theres this thing called a throttle and if you dont open it all the way by using some common sense then its not really an issue is it?

Whats worse pushing a lams bike to its limit because you want to go fast (alot of people do) or having a 1000cc bike that can comfortablly go along at most speeds that you would safely be doing on the road

Also wouldnt a 1000cc sports bike be safer then a smaller bike if you are breaking the law?

This is a touchy subject with me and there is sides for and against

But I am all for these courses

psycho22

13th March 2013, 17:49

Oh I do see your point and I'm willing to go on any course to help me either by giving me extra skills or to point out bad habits

The main issue I have with the time based licencing system is that not everybody gains expirence and skill at the same rate

Also once you do pass your full you are expected to be competent enough to ride anything and also take pillions with no previous experience with the extra weight

Personaly I would like to see a week course/test that if you pass gives you your full licence and involves rider training on bigger bikes as well as pillion riding etc and you have to pass a test on the larger bike to show that you can handle any bike which your full licence allows you to, this test should include tracks that have hazards on them ie diesal or ice on corners wet and dry conditions etc etc

Things that show you can confidently ride

If that makes sense

Also alot of males (not all) will go out and buy something grunty as hell after being stuck on a lams bike thats underpowered/heavy because theyve been fustrated for so long they will get a girl they want to impress on the back and just thrash the hell out of it.

Tbh you can do the same amount of damage coming off a 1000cc at 100-120km as you can on a 250cc also alot of the lams bikes are heavier then most of the sports bikes out

I get the reasoning about the power and acceration being to much for a learner to handle but theres this thing called a throttle and if you dont open it all the way by using some common sense then its not really an issue is it?

Whats worse pushing a lams bike to its limit because you want to go fast (alot of people do) or having a 1000cc bike that can comfortablly go along at most speeds that you would safely be doing on the road

Also wouldnt a 1000cc sports bike be safer then a smaller bike if you are breaking the law?

This is a touchy subject with me and there is sides for and against

But I am all for these courses

I had similar views when I was learning but honestly later on down the track when your looking back you understand why all these rules and restrictions are in place.

There is SO much more to bigger bikes than just having a throttle to control and your clearly not ready for one if that is the way you think of them.

nerrrd

13th March 2013, 18:20

While saddle time is a good way of learning how to ride a motorcycle, repetitive short rides (like commuting and weekend cafe crawling) doesn't really teach people much. Unless they're committed to doing big rides in most imaginable conditions, then a commuter is just a commuter.

Couldn't agree more, this describes the first 15 years of my riding career to a T. Now that I've come back to riding, while I'm still mainly just "commuting" I'm trying to do heaps of courses as well and more trips out of town to get my skills up - and still riding a LAMs bike.

It's great that there are these kinds of courses available nowadays, I don't remember much being available in the 80s and 90s, not that I ever bothered to look back then.

CookMySock

14th March 2013, 10:52

While saddle time is a good way of learning how to ride a motorcycle, repetitive short rides (like commuting and weekend cafe crawling) doesn't really teach people much. Unless they're committed to doing big rides in most imaginable conditions, then a commuter is just a commuter. Slow speed courses teach heaps, as does having one's general riding competence critiqued by a teaching professional.Agree completely, but I'd like to suggest that at least 50% of "learning to ride motorcycles" is about time, consolidation, and just settling in so things feel normal - no about of "teaching" will do a similar result.

I made it my business to have 90% of the "information I needed" right away, but only after 60ish thousand kms have I felt at home with my face down near the tar seal at 120km/hr, and some people will never feel normal doing this, and I submit time is the only thing that will do it. This transfers into "excess brain power available for use" during abnormal and emergency procedures.

Knowing the way is not believing the way.

bluninja

14th March 2013, 11:25

Whats worse pushing a lams bike to its limit because you want to go fast (alot of people do) or having a 1000cc bike that can comfortablly go along at most speeds that you would safely be doing on the road

Also wouldnt a 1000cc sports bike be safer then a smaller bike if you are breaking the law?

This is a touchy subject with me and there is sides for and against

But I am all for these courses

I'm not sure what you mean by pushing a LAMS bike to it's limit. Do you mean the limit of it's suspension/handling capability? Pushing it to the limit of it's power? Do you mean pushing it to the riders limits?

My few cents worth.....better brakes, suspension and handling on a sportsbike should allow more margin for error going round bends and stopping...however the flip side is that the blistering performance can get you into trouble before you have chance to put the brakes on. The other thing about sports bikes is that they can feel harsh and twitchy because they are setup to trun in fast and provide feedback. Add a tense newbie and you can have at best some unfcomfortable rides; at worse overreact and have an accident.

When I got round to my license I did a 3 day course on a CG125, passed my test and picked up my ZZR600 the next day.
The years I had spent riding small capacity commuters in no way prepared me for handling a heavier bike. So the time delayed graduated license system to me seems total arse on it's own.

Compulsory high quality training and assessment is the way forward.

f2dz

14th March 2013, 14:53

Any idea of when these will come into effect? It says late 2013, but more specifically?

I'm dying to get off the 250 already.

TheTengTheory

14th March 2013, 23:48

When I got round to my license I did a 3 day course on a CG125, passed my test and picked up my ZZR600 the next day.
The years I had spent riding small capacity commuters in no way prepared me for handling a heavier bike. So the time delayed graduated license system to me seems total arse on it's own.

Compulsory high quality training and assessment is the way forward.

I'm still on my learners myself but I have a few friends who jumped from a 250 to liter bikes and the general consensus is that its completely different and its like learning to ride again only with alot more power. I think giving high quality training will help that transition as oppose to just time. I agree experience and saddle time helps and is very important however, all the saddle time in the world won't fix bad habits you've picked up along the way.

Also consider that some people ride ALOT more than others. The first 2-3months I clocked up over 5000km on my motorbike. Had I kept my full time job I would probably continue at that same rate. Now as a student I only use my motorbike to commute into town and the occasional (money dependant :( ) weekend blast. If I started off in the latter stage, a year and half would be far too short of a time lapse to gain the neccessary experience. Again these are all situational and I think LTA's biggest problem is everyone wants a system that suits themselves.

Competency based training that affect your time as a learner/restricted on the bike would be most appropiate to cater to individual rider ability and skill. At the end of the day, a standard (ride competency not just the road code) should be placed so that if you cannot achieve these standards (monetary reasons included), you don't get a full license.

This is in an ideal world of course :2thumbsup

Tricia1000

15th March 2013, 09:35

The ins and outs of it haven't been put together yet. But we are working on it.:niceone:
How ever, you could be riding a LAMS bike, instead of the 250, straight away.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Any idea of when these will come into effect? It says late 2013, but more specifically?

I'm dying to get off the 250 already.

Dragon

15th March 2013, 12:16

The ins and outs of it haven't been put together yet. But we are working on it.:niceone:
How ever, you could be riding a LAMS bike, instead of the 250, straight away.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Im not a big fan of any lams bike on the list

I am a sports bike rider not a cruiser or tourer person

There are like 4 bikes id consider and they are either hard to get or expensive

Also if I spend 10-16k on a bike I dont want one that is limited

Glowerss

15th March 2013, 13:04

Im not a big fan of any lams bike on the list

I am a sports bike rider not a cruiser or tourer person

There are like 4 bikes id consider and they are either hard to get or expensive

Also if I spend 10-16k on a bike I dont want one that is limited

Bike: Suzuki Gsx 250 invader

Sportsbike rider? :lol::lol::killingme:killingme:killingme

You do realize that the GS500 and your bike share basically the exact same frame and componentry and whathaveyou right? Just half the capacity? :bleh: Shit even the newer GS500s look significantly better then the intruders.

Tbh you can do the same amount of damage coming off a 1000cc at 100-120km as you can on a 250cc also alot of the lams bikes are heavier then most of the sports bikes out

I get the reasoning about the power and acceration being to much for a learner to handle but theres this thing called a throttle and if you dont open it all the way by using some common sense then its not really an issue is it?

Whats worse pushing a lams bike to its limit because you want to go fast (alot of people do) or having a 1000cc bike that can comfortablly go along at most speeds that you would safely be doing on the road

Also wouldnt a 1000cc sports bike be safer then a smaller bike if you are breaking the law?

This is a touchy subject with me and there is sides for and against

But I am all for these courses

If you genuinely feel that way, I don't really know what to say. :weird:

Are you really seriously genuinely trying to make the argument that a litre bike is safer in any way shape or form then something like a ninja 250?
You're certainly no safer on a litrebike doing stupid speeds then you are on a smaller capacity bike. In fact, you're probably less safe because of the rate to which you can get to stupid speeds on a litrebike and how much faster one can go. Most LAMS bikes are lucky to top out at 150ish KPH. Most modern supersports can do twice that or more :wait:

Yes, 100kph is 100kph. But the difference between a bike that takes 8 seconds to get to 100kph and one that takes 2 and can do it in first gear is so staggeringly ginormous that it doesn't even really merit discussion.
You go over a bump on a litre bike and mistakenly grab a fist full of throttle, you're either going into the back of the car in front of you faster then your ass can suck up the vinyl off the seat, or you'll be sitting on the road wondering where the fuck your bike went.

The reason why "learner" bikes are somewhat beige, is because they're more forgiving. A litrebike is an absolutely unforgiving piece of machinery. I can do stupid shit to the hornet, and as long as i'm not massively overstepping it's capabilities, it's not going to chuck me off.

All and all, your comments in a lot of threads recently have me concerned for your well being and future safety. I hope for your sake, you re-adjust some of your views before you get your full, or you take it to the track where you crashing won't hurt anybody else.

Stevee2

16th March 2013, 02:32

Can't wait for these courses. Im stuck bikeless in the USA until August so coming back is going to be like learning all over again. I feel like these courses might take away some of the complaints about people being failed on 'silly' things as well which will be good.

Wayz

18th March 2013, 22:10

Ok, the course idea is great, as a newbie to road riding I welcome any course that reduces license time. I do think that our motorcycle licensing system is hugely flawed, but at the same time I think we are heading in the right direction. I have owned and ridden dirt bikes all my life so bikes are not new to me (needed to clarify).....

what I don't understand is how the only difference between the restricted license and learner's is the L-Plate. So really we are in-directly using a two-stage licensing system....but paying for three....

Tricia1000

18th March 2013, 23:53

Absolutely. Up until a couple of years ago the restricted rider, also gained the permission to do 100 on the motorway etc. Now the only thing is the loss of the L plate.
About two years ago, when we first started working on the CBTA, I did make a good case for skipping the RESTRICTED LICENCE TEST for bikers, as they had already paid money at the basic handling stage.
However, for years the bike test has remained equivalent to the car test, as that is the way the legislation is written.
MIT would require new legislation to change the bike test to exclude RESTRICTED LICENCE TEST.
Since it took 72 years to raise the minimum age for drivers/riders from 15 to 16, I am not hopeful that I will still be alive, if and when they skip the RESTRICTED LICENCE TEST.
But the CBTA will be great once it is up and running, as it will provide a faster , but safer means of getting to full licence.
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

davereid

19th March 2013, 06:37

The course sounds valuable. Regardless of its legal position it would be valuable for most riders.

But the entire Driver Licence industry reeks of another of the NZTA scams.

Like so many NZTA contracts, driver licence testing has gone to a single provider, providing them with an exclusive and un-contestable cash cow.

Complaints are dealt with by, you guessed it the same provider.

IMHO the NZTA do this kind of corrupt shit all the time. Driver Licence Testing, imported vehicle checks, personalised plates, electronic road signage etc etc etc all quietly farmed out to private companies with exclusive or near exclusive deals, that appear to be above the scrutiny of the official information act.

Then as soon as the NZTA have your personal data, they sell it, to anyone who will cough up the cash.

Xsannz

19th March 2013, 08:13

Nzta scam agreed.

Courses that actuly teach or well worth it imho.

Commuting daily taught me nothing.. Track time helped and also showed how much i didnt know.

I recommend pro drive bike courses or a few of the other guided track day courses.

I take a refreshes defensive anti skid training at work in the work vehicle every year as part of health and saftey.

And i even redid a defensive driving course last year.... Its amazing the shit you tend to get relaxed about and ig ore over time

Defensive course refresher helped with bike skills and hazard awareness more even if it was a car course.

I would be interested in doing somethi bike orientated... Even after my accident of late.

If the e accident taught me anything its that shit happens and sometimes no matter the bike or your comfort levels.

Sometimes its all out of your control.

I.e... Cat into front wheel mid corner.

Wayz

19th March 2013, 21:49

From what I've read on the NZTA website, the course cuts the 6 months from the learners licence as well as 6 months from the restricted licence (two separate courses).....so what I want to know is for the ones that have had to currently sit out the 6months for the learners (because of Unavailability of cbta) are they able to deduct an extra 6 months from restricted if they sit the learners course (that would make a total deduction of 12 months from restricted licence)??

I hope for the sake of thousands of riders out there, the NZTA considers this....

Erelyes

20th March 2013, 19:39

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

Sure, everyone wants to get off their learner bike onto something with some balls, but is it good for the rider? I happen to think time consolidating on a smaller bike will result in a better rider overall. There is also the matter of the newbie wanting to misbehave on it, which is going to happen for most riders - better get this out of their system over time instead of putting them on a weapon too early.

I'm not persuaded.

Yeah, but the time on the smaller bike is consolidating what exactly? Knowledge learnt from youtube vids, or, 'I haven't crashed yet doing it this way', rather than pro tuition? I'd say the problem with the current system is that there's no direct incentive (licence wise) to go on a course. In theory someone could pass BHST and both practicals, without having ever had professional tuition. CBTA provides that incentive without making it compulsory (as bikers we hate nanny state - amidoingitrite?).

I can think of worse industries to stimulate than the rider training industry. I'd hazard a guess that many instructors do it as much because they want to save others harm, than to earn a bunch of dosh.

I do agree with you that restraint is something that can take time to develop/ingrain.
But so is the desire to always learn, always improve, and not just 'get the full' but become a better rider. Which is what I think CBTA will promote.

Xsannz

25th March 2013, 19:03

Talking with an instructor about CBTA today.

impression i got.

a rider does the level 1 learner course theory and a practical gets a certificate goes into AA gets learners.

then does a level 2 course theory and practical goes into AA gets restricted...

does final level 3 theory and 2 practicals and gets cert goes to AA gets FULL.

no tests at aa as the practical certificate counts for that.

and that you could if your instructor lets you and you have the cash do all 3 back to back....

Doesnt sound like mch of a system to me.

sound more like a lets generate some revenue and pump out more motorcyclist who can pay the higher acc levies because they all have big bikes now....

AM I CYNICAL ENOUGH...

Tricia1000

26th March 2013, 00:56

Um, which "instructor" did you get your information from??? Are they actually in the know, or on the committee that is putting together the CBTA1 and CBTA2. There are no plans for a CBTA3.
Firstly, the rider will still need to do BHS, and the theory test to get their learners (not Level1) the courses aren't even called Level 1, 2, or 3.
At the moment, Once the rider has received their Learners licence, they can then do CBTA1. I doubt that they would reach the standard required for the CBA1 test in one day..... It might take a couple of weeks. Once they have this CBA1 under their belt, then that certificate will be accepted instead of Restricted Licence test. Once they have their Restricted licence, they are then able to think about CBTA2. Again the course will take some time to achieve the standard. From the NZTA website, you will need to be on your restricted licence for 12 months, before trading up to a full licence.
On Learners and Restricted, you can ride up to a 660 cc with the correct power output, so big ACC fees being paid already...
Perhaps do some research before complaining about a system, that it appears you don't yet know anything about......
Alot of this could still change, as it hasn't been set in stone. :sunny:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Talking with an instructor about CBTA today.

impression i got.

a rider does the level 1 learner course theory and a practical gets a certificate goes into AA gets learners.

then does a level 2 course theory and practical goes into AA gets restricted...

does final level 3 theory and 2 practicals and gets cert goes to AA gets FULL.

no tests at aa as the practical certificate counts for that.

and that you could if your instructor lets you and you have the cash do all 3 back to back....

Doesnt sound like mch of a system to me.

sound more like a lets generate some revenue and pump out more motorcyclist who can pay the higher acc levies because they all have big bikes now....

AM I CYNICAL ENOUGH...

Edbear

26th March 2013, 06:40

nzspokes

26th March 2013, 07:08

40 years ago I did a defensive driving course. It has stayed with me ever since through ensuing years of riding and driving and I count it as one if the best things I've ever done!

I can't recommend enough the value of such courses!

Must have changed Ed, I did one to get my full year or so back. Utter rubbish. Guy spent all his time talking about old rugby stories.:yawn:

Edbear

26th March 2013, 07:13

Must have changed Ed, I did one to get my full year or so back. Utter rubbish. Guy spent all his time talking about old rugby stories.:yawn:

Not good! The muppet! The one I attended was run by my Mum who was the local driving instructor, Defensive Driving Instructor, taxi and bus driver. She was also a keen motorcyclist and loved to ride my old T500 Suzuki!

I guess I was spoiled in some aspects of growing up. :yes:

Monkfish

27th March 2013, 07:48

Once they have their Restricted licence, they are then able to think about CBTA2. Again the course will take some time to achieve the standard. From the NZTA website, you will need to be on your restricted licence for 12 months, before trading up to a full licence.
Alot of this could still change, as it hasn't been set in stone. :sunny:

Tricia,
Would you have a ballpark release date for this course?

I am currently on my learners and will have my restricted in june, will the course be available by the end of the year?

Tricia1000

27th March 2013, 11:27

Hi Monkfish,
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

According to the NZTA website it says late 2013, so I would presume then that it will be early 2014. ;)

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia,
Would you have a ballpark release date for this course?

I am currently on my learners and will have my restricted in june, will the course be available by the end of the year?

Wayz

7th April 2013, 11:44

Wow! Had an awesome discussion with a highway patrol officer regarding all things motorcycles. I asked him what were his overall thoughts regarding nz licensing, he said that the thing that worries him is the lack of specialised training areas and courses that we have to offer to make us better riders. He fully believes that the cc law is a joke for restricted riders, as the amount of times he has been called out to accidents involving newbie full licensed riders out on their first ride on their high powered machines. As he believes that big bikes are a different kettle of fish, why hold back learning is what he said, the sooner riders can experience riding bigger bikes the better is what he said, more so on the restricted license. One thing he would like to see is a special type of permit or course gained certificate for "super bike" type sports bikes, more so built around rider road maturity. As the same for high powered cars. His parting words were, ride safe and ride as if everything is out to kill you...haha good to know that not all of them are nazis.

Maha

7th April 2013, 12:10

These words always amuses me...''ride as if everything is out to kill you''

Everything?...that list is really large, to name just a few... butterflies/fog/Big Macs/soy lattes/rubbish bins.

Still amusing when you substitute the word 'everything' for 'everyone'...my parents are not out there to kill me. Being vigilant is the only word/term that is needed whilst sharing the road with others.

I was using a passing lane several days ago, just passed the 200m merge sign and had one more car to pass, as reached the right rear of said car, it started to drift towards me..!
When alongside the car, I could clearly see that the bitch driving was texting with her right hand, now she was not out to kill me, that I am sure of. Vigilance on my behalf made sure that the passing manoeuvre was completed safely for/by me.
Some would/may react differently if they thought thier road skill was not up to spec.

bluninja

7th April 2013, 12:34

These words always amuses me...''ride as if everything is out to kill you''

Everything?...that list is really large, to name just a few... butterflys/fog/Big Macs/soy lattes/rubbish bins.

Still amusing when you substitute the word 'everything' for 'everyone'...my parents are not out there to kill me. Being vigilant is the only word/term that is needed whilst sharing the road with others.

I was using a passing lane several days ago, just passed the 200m merge sign and had one more car to pass, as reached the right rear of said car, it started to drift towards me..!
When alongside the car, I could clearly see that the bitch driving was texting with her right hand, now she was not out to kill me, that I am sure of. Vigilance on my behalf made sure that the passing manoeuvre was completed safely for/by me.
Some would/may react differently if they thought thier road skill was not up to spec.

Was she texting you "Beware suicidal killer butteflies ahead!" ? :LOL:

Wayz

7th April 2013, 12:46

Haha no maha I'm sure your parents are not out to kill you, but if a resident evil/zombie scenario was to occur I'm sure they would not hesitate! :headbang:

Maha

7th April 2013, 15:54

Was she texting you "Beware suicidal killer butteflies ahead!" ? :LOL:
Avoiding such a group mid corner is not for the faint hearted.

Haha no maha I'm sure your parents are not out to kill you, but if a resident evil/zombie scenario was to occur I'm sure they would not hesitate! :headbang:

Example in the extreme but, point was, the term used by the cop in my view, is rediculous.
If you ride with that in mind (suicidal killer butteflies aside) the tension build up must get to a level whereby, the time on your bike is spent caring what is going to happen next.

Wayz

7th April 2013, 19:27

Avoiding such a group mid corner is not for the faint hearted.

Example in the extreme but, point was, the term used by the cop in my view, is rediculous.
If you ride with that in mind (suicidal killer butteflies aside) the tension build up must get to a level whereby, the time on your bike is spent caring what is going to happen next.

I guess over-reading such a statement would drive you into over thinking a simple message. I find the statement to be very valid, I apply it to my riding, keeps me safe and aware! As I've heard it more than once.

rawsoncj

10th April 2013, 21:16

I'll definitely attend one of these courses once they're available. Not because I'm eager to trade my 650 in for a 1300 -- the 650 already does absolutely everything I need it to do -- but so I can learn to become a safer, better rider under expert guidance.

Virago

5th May 2013, 21:29

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

Sure, everyone wants to get off their learner bike onto something with some balls, but is it good for the rider? I happen to think time consolidating on a smaller bike will result in a better rider overall. There is also the matter of the newbie wanting to misbehave on it, which is going to happen for most riders - better get this out of their system over time instead of putting them on a weapon too early.

I'm not persuaded.

In light of how you started out, the hypocrisy is rather blatant...

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

I told them I was an old barsted (42) with plenty of offroad and commercial driving experience etc, a clean driving and criminal record, and gave them pics of me in my copious safety gear (looks very impressive) and the bike, and me ON the bike (must be with no helmet on), and they just issued the exemption. Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB

Tricia1000

6th May 2013, 06:46

CBTA is moving along nicely.
Trialling starts soon,
Should be live end of this year.

Tricia1000
Roada (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Drew

6th May 2013, 09:13

. As a pillion I know how to steer the bike.

Any passenger tries to 'steer' my bike, is getting the fuck off and walking!

What a bloody stupid thing to teach.

f2dz

6th May 2013, 17:12

CBTA is moving along nicely.
Trialling starts soon,
Should be live end of this year.

Tricia1000
Roada (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Great news, thanks for the update.

What do these trials entail? Any way to sign up to em?

Tricia1000

6th May 2013, 17:15

Sure, I will be looking for some candidates soon. :woohoo::woohoo:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Great news, thanks for the update.

What do these trials entail? Any way to sign up to em?

kevinator9

7th May 2013, 08:41

Thank you for the update Tricia.
Awaiting news eagerly.

f2dz

7th May 2013, 10:38

Sure, I will be looking for some candidates soon. :woohoo::woohoo:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

I'll be keen to volunteer if that's at all how it works. Won't have a bike again til the end of the month probably though.

FJRider

7th May 2013, 11:58

If our acc money goes toward something like this I consider it money well spent.

Why would ACC want the learner to full licence process shortened .. ???

Most people on a learner licence would be happy to pay ... to shorten the time to their getting a full licence.

p.dath

7th May 2013, 12:57

Why would ACC want the learner to full licence process shortened .. ???...

Part of their brief is "injury preventing", but I'm with you FJ, they won't be using ACC money for that.

Drew

7th May 2013, 13:52

Have the 'training' providers approached ACC? Couldn't see it, they get paid the same either way. Why make more work for themselves for no gain?

I know that's a pretty negative thing to say, particularly since I often say that most of the people on bikes have less control of it than a mad woman does, her shit. However I'm pretty sure they, every one, harp "for the good of the community".

FJRider

7th May 2013, 13:55

Part of their brief is "injury preventing", but I'm with you FJ, they won't be using ACC money for that.

It would not surprise me to see an ACC levy attached to the course fee. But I doubt if ACC would support the funding of courses that affect due process of law.

I also doubt that the CBTA courses are/will be ... an automatic pass based solely on attendance. Time will tell what level of competency is required to pass.

FJRider

7th May 2013, 14:03

Have the 'training' providers approached ACC? Couldn't see it, they get paid the same either way. Why make more work for themselves for no gain?

Until an approved CBTA course is actually in effect ... and they can see if it has any safety advantages to riders ... I can't see them taking much interest in it at this stage.

I could be wrong ... again ... :laugh:

FJRider

7th May 2013, 14:13

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

The only required by law training in place at the moment is the Basic Handling test. I think it is time more driver/rider testing is put in place in the licence system.

If the CBTA courses prove their worth ... maybe more will be.

I'm not persuaded.

Like we care ..

Drew

7th May 2013, 14:15

Until an approved CBTA course is actually in effect ... and they can see if it has any safety advantages to riders ... I can't see them taking much interest in it at this stage.

I could be wrong ... again ... :laugh:I would pre-empt it, and make ACC aware of the intention of the course, and intent to chase them for funding. Before anything at all gets approved. Once something is in place, they are far less likely to want any part of it.

My two cents, usually worth less to anyone else though.

FJRider

7th May 2013, 14:59

I would pre-empt it, and make ACC aware of the intention of the course, and intent to chase them for funding. Before anything at all gets approved. Once something is in place, they are far less likely to want any part of it.

My two cents, usually worth less to anyone else though.

So what is the intention of the course ... is it as perceived by Government, or as perceived by restricted licence holders ... ???

Is there a difference ... ???

My ten cents worth (lowest denomination coinage currently in circulation) ... is ... Government want competent vehicle operators on the road. Restricted licence holders just want a licence with no restrictions. Actual content of the courses, to show PROVEN competency of riders passing at the end of the course will be achieved ... is the key to approval.
An improvement in riders actual skill level may not be the actual aim of the course.
A confident sensible rider should have no issues passing the course. (Often hard to find amongst restricted licence holders)

Remember we are talking about a Government department here ... And approval for ACC funding would have to come from the Minister of ACC. Too many unknowns for a mere departmental head to sign off on.

JimmyC

7th May 2013, 15:45

Is the CBTA going to be compulsory for all riders, or only those wanting to cut their time on Restricted?

Drew

7th May 2013, 17:53

The government have never demonstrated a desire to have more competent road users, that I have ever seen.

Getting angry thinking about it all to tell the truth. Not productive. Carry on all, seeya.

kevinator9

7th May 2013, 17:57

Is the CBTA going to be compulsory for all riders, or only those wanting to cut their time on Restricted?

I believe it is going to be optional. Not only will it cut time on the restricted but it will also mean the practical test will not need to be sat for the full licence.

Drew

7th May 2013, 17:57

Is the CBTA going to be compulsory for all riders, or only those wanting to cut their time on Restricted?

From what Tricia has said, it is just to shorten the restricted licence term.

bosslady

7th May 2013, 18:01

I'll be keen to volunteer if that's at all how it works. Won't have a bike again til the end of the month probably though.

Ditto, I'm not getting my restricted until second week of June though, presuming I pass..

Ratti

7th May 2013, 18:31

Avoiding such a group mid corner is not for the faint hearted.

Example in the extreme but, point was, the term used by the cop in my view, is rediculous.
If you ride with that in mind (suicidal killer butteflies aside) the tension build up must get to a level whereby, the time on your bike is spent caring what is going to happen next.

erm, I ALWAYS care what is happening next

Any passenger tries to 'steer' my bike, is getting the fuck off and walking!

What a bloody stupid thing to teach.

I've been known to stop and tell a pillion to "stop riding my bike or get off and f***en walk"

Erelyes

7th May 2013, 19:28

From what Tricia has said, it is just to shorten the restricted licence term.

NZTA website says it'll waive the requirement to sit the practical test.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

I imagine that it shouldn't be an auto-pass, given the name (assessing competency).

Perhaps CBTA is, long-term, designed as a replacement for the restricted/full practical tests. Introducing it as an 'alternative path' means they can always bin it if it doesn't work out, perhaps? Otherwise surely they'd just redesign the licence practicals. :scratch:

In any case Tricia, I am on my L's, if you are considering 'recruits' (?) down south, I would be a willing guinea pig. :doctor:

FJRider

7th May 2013, 19:50

The NZTA web site states ...

Presentation of a stage one CBTA certificate by a learner licence holder applying for a restricted licence will:

waive the need to complete the learner licence six month minimum time period
waive the need to sit and pass a practical test at the agent
waive the need to pay the restricted practical test fee.

Presentation of a stage two CBTA certificate by a restricted licence holder applying for a full licence will:

reduce the minimum age from 18 years to 17½ years
reduce the restricted licence minimum time period from 18 to 12 months
waive the need to sit and pass a practical test at the agent
waive the need to pay the full practical test fee.

Note: The regulated restricted or full licence application fee will still apply.

So to date ... the CBTA is intended as a two (test) stage testing regime. The first stage done at the learner stage. The second stage on the restricted.

The practical licence test costs will be waived ... but the CBTA will still need paid for. As will application fees for learner/restricted licences. And of course those (CBTA) costs cant be stated until the course contents/duration are decided.

And all policy ... as stated ... are subject to any changes NZTA might choose to make and put in legislation.

Tricia1000

7th May 2013, 21:37

A pre test lesson would greatly increase your chances of passing.. Just saying.
Not had any failures yet.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Ditto, I'm not getting my restricted until second week of June though, presuming I pass..

bosslady

8th May 2013, 06:56

A pre test lesson would greatly increase your chances of passing.. Just saying.
Not had any failures yet.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

I already have one arranged with Chris Smith.

JimmyC

8th May 2013, 08:32

From what Tricia has said, it is just to shorten the restricted licence term.

It would make a lot more sense if it was compulsory wouldn't it? By all accounts of what I've heard and read, the Full License test is much less involved than the Restricted. If (and I highlight the 'if') the CBTA is deemed too hard by some, they may just wait out the extra 6 months and graduate to Full the easier way.

The BHS test I sat is\was a joke. Ride around some static cones in a car park, never get over 30kmph, stop here, ride through here really slowly, and then off you go into peak hour traffic. It's nuts. If the powers that be are indeed wanting to up skill motorcyclists before they get their Full, there should be some compulsory training in there somewhere.

Tricia1000

8th May 2013, 10:05

Basic Handling Skills changed last November. It is much harder now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqpT2cbTfx8&list=FLnYE-cW7sNnsLuoX20e6MUA&index=52

I agree the previous BHS didn't prepare riders for the road.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

It would make a lot more sense if it was compulsory wouldn't it? By all accounts of what I've heard and read, the Full License test is much less involved than the Restricted. If (and I highlight the 'if') the CBTA is deemed too hard by some, they may just wait out the extra 6 months and graduate to Full the easier way.

The BHS test I sat is\was a joke. Ride around some static cones in a car park, never get over 30kmph, stop here, ride through here really slowly, and then off you go into peak hour traffic. It's nuts. If the powers that be are indeed wanting to up skill motorcyclists before they get their Full, there should be some compulsory training in there somewhere.

Tricia1000

8th May 2013, 10:07

Terrific.
Is he a new instructor?? Haven't heard of him before?
Where does he operate from?

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

I already have one arranged with Chris Smith.

Drew

8th May 2013, 10:11

Terrific.
Is he a new instructor?? Haven't heard of him before?
Where does he operate from?

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTAHow do you know it's terrific? The dude you've never heard of might be hopeless.

Hehehe, it's way more fun to just be a dick.

Tricia1000

8th May 2013, 10:18

You could be quite right!! and there are some out there.
However, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.... If he's new, everyone has to start as a new Instructor sometime.
The real point is that Bosslady is organising a pretest lesson for herself, which will hopefully increase her chances of passing her test.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

How do you know it's terrific? The dude you've never heard of might be hopeless.

Hehehe, it's way more fun to just be a dick.

bosslady

8th May 2013, 18:21

Terrific.
Is he a new instructor?? Haven't heard of him before?
Where does he operate from?

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Not new, no, not that I'm aware of anyway. He's from the UK not sure how long he's been here. He's listed on the NZTA website as an instructor and works mostly out of Pukekohe area. And no, he's not terrific, he's bloody brilliant and a really nice guy, imo. He's also a stuntman, works on movie sets etc. so travels overseas for this. By day I believe he's a motorcycle mechanic in puke.

Grashopper

9th May 2013, 00:12

I already have one arranged with Chris Smith.

The real point is that Bosslady is organising a pretest lesson for herself, which will hopefully increase her chances of passing her test.

You guys are making me nervous now. My test is about 3 weeks away, but there is not much opportunity for training here as Taupo doesn't have any riding training schools/instructors. Maybe I should try finding something in Hamilton again. Would at least make me feel a bit more relaxed going into the test.

bosslady

9th May 2013, 07:06

You guys are making me nervous now. My test is about 3 weeks away, but there is not much opportunity for training here as Taupo doesn't have any riding training schools/instructors. Maybe I should try finding something in Hamilton again. Would at least make me feel a bit more relaxed going into the test. I am sure you will be fine. I just don't want to embarrass myself and/or waste my time, want to pass the test first pop.

Tricia1000

9th May 2013, 09:43

Hi Grasshopper,
Why don't you give Roadsafe a call, and see if they will be running any ACC courses in that area within the next 3 weeks? 0800 BE ROADSAFE.......It's a free cal.
If Taupo wasn't quite so far away, I would come down to give you a lesson myself... If you could get to south Auckland, then I could def help you out.

Give it a thought. My number is 0800 4 LESSON... Motorcycles 100% test pass rate

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

You guys are making me nervous now. My test is about 3 weeks away, but there is not much opportunity for training here as Taupo doesn't have any riding training schools/instructors. Maybe I should try finding something in Hamilton again. Would at least make me feel a bit more relaxed going into the test.

Tricia1000

14th May 2013, 09:16

Ok, peeps.
I am looking for some volunteers to help me with my CBTA1 (Competency Based Training and Assessment) trials. I need about 20 riders.
These riders would IDEALLY have been riding for a few months, and be near the Restricted Licence test standard, but if they are higher or lower, or on any bike licence, I can use them as well.
If you have had some training, or not, that's ok too.

If you are interested in helping to make the roads safer for motorcyclists, then please contact me to make a booking.
My approved test route is in the Rodney area..

You might be asking yourself, "What's in it for me?"
Several benefits really......
A chance to have an honest assessment of where your riding is at, at the moment..(on a bike, you don't get a second chance to get that overtaking/cornering manoeuvre correct)
Secondly, the chance to help make our roads safer for those who love to have the wind in your hair, and the flies in your teeth ;-)......
And each participant will be entered into a draw, for the chance to win a SUPER DUPER PRIZE PACK....

Can I please ask you to share this with your biking mates, or on the walls of groups, such as Mag New Zealand, Facebook bikers, New Zealand Motorbike Riders, other KB forums, so I can get a broad range of riders through the assessment.
If anyone would like to undertake some training prior to the assessment, then please contact me, sooner,, rather than later...
www.rcsom.co.nz or rcsom@xtra.co.nz or PM me, through FB or KB
My cell phone number is: 021 269 3246. 0800 4 LESSON

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

bosslady

14th May 2013, 10:16

Ok, peeps.
I am looking for some volunteers to help me with my CBTA1 (Competency Based Training and Assessment) trials.............................

I have emailed you.

Tricia1000

14th May 2013, 10:40

That was quick.. In the last hour, between KB and FB, I've had 10 offers.. Woohoo..
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

nzspokes

14th May 2013, 14:39

Have paste it up on the Sass KB page for whats its worth. I would come but Im to old and stupid. And been on me full for some time.....

Have put it up on a couple of FB pages also.

Tricia1000

3rd June 2013, 17:06

I have some availability around this week for CBTA trials. Would anyone be able to devote 1.75 hours on Thursday afternoon this week, starting at 9 am, at Whangaparaoa ?
So, Thursday I have 1 pm, 2.45 pm, and on Friday I have 9 am, 10.45?
I know some of the people on here have given me their contact details.
On the weekend, Saturday , I may have some spaces in the afternoon. ( not sure yet).
On Sunday, I have a space at 1.15 and 3 pm. If interested, in helping to make motorcycling safer, please pm or text/ call on 0212693246.
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia1000

3rd June 2013, 17:43

Update on availability, the 3pm Sunday slot is taken, and a 9am sunday slot has opened up.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

f2dz

4th June 2013, 17:43

Are you currently only doing CBTA1 trials? Will you be doing CBTA2 ones anytime soon, which are the restricted to full tests if I'm not mistaken..?

Tricia1000

4th June 2013, 19:10

We aren't working on that at present, just the CBTA1. I expect that once we get the scoring sorted for CBTA1, the CBTA2 will fall into place also...

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Are you currently only doing CBTA1 trials? Will you be doing CBTA2 ones anytime soon, which are the restricted to full tests if I'm not mistaken..?

Tricia1000

6th June 2013, 17:21

I have 2 spaces available for CBTA trials tomorrow the 7th June.
1 space at 09.45, and the second slot at 11.15..:yes:
Do I have any takers?? First come first served basis..
These are the trial stages to check whether the marking sheet is adequately marking a riders faults..
If you are interested in helping to make motorcycling safer, for everyone, and interested in having a test specifically for motorcyclists, instead of being followed in a car, then please do get in touch.. 021 269 3246 or 0800 4 LESSON, or send me a message.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia1000

12th June 2013, 12:20

I will be doing CBTA trialling again on this coming Sunday. Is there anyone out there, who may be able to help me?
It will just take a little over an hour. This addition to to the motorcycle licence, will help to reduce your overall licence time. The quicker I can get enough people to trial it with me, the earlier it will be brought in.....
Please let me know also if there is another day, that you might be able to do, if you aren't available on Sunday..
I would really like to get all my trialling done, by the end of June.. please test or call on 0212693246

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia1000

28th June 2013, 22:33

Any local Roadcraft School of Motorcycling Ltd. followers out there??
I am still in need of about 5 candidates, who could spare 1.5 hours to help with the trialling of the CBTA?
In order to fit the criteria that we have been given, you will need to be on your learners licence, but at the point of your licence, where you are eligible to sit your Restricted licence. You will also need to have a road legal bike, with rego, wot, and L Plate..
I would really like to get these trials sorted before the 16 th July, so if you can help me out, either PM me, or comment below.. thanks,

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia1000

9th July 2013, 08:50

I need just two more candidates to help with my trials of Competency Based training and test... I am willing to put some petrol in your bike, for your troubles.. You will also be entered in to the draw to win a $100 voucher.. You will have a 1 in 10 chance of being the winner.
The criteria for the trials is a rider, who is on their learners license, and eligible to sit their restricted license within the next couple of weeks..
If this sounds like you, and you can spare about 2 hours on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, please send me a message at rcsom@xtra.co.nz . Alternatively, text me on 0212693246, and I will call you back..
Thanks,

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

sedub

9th July 2013, 19:28

Tricia1000

9th July 2013, 19:34

Can you email me please on rcsom@xtra.co.nz? Or text me on 0212693246

Hi Tricia,
I am very keen on this, I'm a learner rider who's been riding for about 7 months, and probably at about the restricted test skill level.

I can't PM since I don't have enough posts.

Tricia1000

22nd August 2013, 16:13

Hi everyone,
I am now back from my hols, and I have mislaid my paperwork with the names of willing helpers for the CBTA assessments. I need one more helper PLEASE. A candidate who has been on their Learners for approx 6 months, and is at or near Restricted Licence Test standard.. I have a slot at 4 pm this Saturday to conduct this assessment.
If you are able to help me out, then I would be more than grateful. I might even buy you a sticky bun, and a hot drink at the end of the assessment.
This would also be of use to a rider, who is thinking about sitting their Restricted Licence in the very near future, and would like an appraisal of where their riding is at...
If you are able to help me out, please text me on 0212693246, and I will call you back. Or you could email me on rcsom@xtra.co.nz..

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
0212693246
0800 4 LESSON

Stevee2

27th August 2013, 12:04

Hi Tricia,

I fit the above if you are still looking for someone this weekend (I missed your post last week!)

Tricia1000

27th August 2013, 17:52

Thanks for that. I have finished my trials for now.. :niceone:

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Hi Tricia,

I fit the above if you are still looking for someone this weekend (I missed your post last week!)

JimmyC

24th October 2013, 13:28

Any news on a CBTA trial or test for those on restricted going to full?

Tricia1000

24th October 2013, 19:37

The latest information that I have, is that it will be coming out in March.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Any news on a CBTA trial or test for those on restricted going to full?

JimmyC

25th October 2013, 07:58

Thanks for the update :-)

JimmyC

28th January 2014, 13:56

Launches March 1st -

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html

Icemaestro

28th January 2014, 17:07

Wow who did the grammar check on that document..

I also can't figure out what progression competency means..progression from/to what?

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Tricia1000

29th January 2014, 08:43

It will mean progression from one license to the next in the graduated license system.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Wow who did the grammar check on that document..

I also can't figure out what progression competency means..progression from/to what?

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bluninja

29th January 2014, 09:32

MrItalian

29th January 2014, 12:26

If our acc money goes toward something like this I consider it money well spent.

I approve this ^^ message :rockon:

His parting words were, ride safe and ride as if everything is out to kill you...haha good to know that not all of them are nazis. I agree fully with him, wotta boss advise.

The way I read it, it's theoretically possible to get your restricted within days of your learner license (provided you are over 16.5 years old), and then your full 12 months later.

It's sad there is no minimum training requirements, just a recommendation. Still it's better than; jump on a CG125 on Monday, 3 full days training, pass full license on CG125 on Wednesday, pick up ZZR600 on Thursday, training on road with ZZR600 the following Monday.

lol that escalated quickly

Grashopper

29th January 2014, 13:47

The way I read it, it's theoretically possible to get your restricted within days of your learner license (provided you are over 16.5 years old), and then your full 12 months later.

It's sad there is no minimum training requirements, just a recommendation. Still it's better than; jump on a CG125 on Monday, 3 full days training, pass full license on CG125 on Wednesday, pick up ZZR600 on Thursday, training on road with ZZR600 the following Monday.

I do assume the CBTA examiners will do the CBTA tests a bit more thoroughly than the test officers doing the usual license tests so far. So that's a definite plus.

I agree with you regarding compulsory training before you can do a CBTA assessment. For example if you had to do all of the three rideforever courses, the bronze, the silver and the gold or at least two of them. They are heavily subsidized so no one can't complain about the costs (which people will still do, I'm sure).

Tricia1000

22nd February 2014, 20:37

My paper work for conducting CBTA1 and CBTA2 assessments arrived in the post today. It 's all ready to take bookings from next Saturday.
I also have a new radio system, so it's all systems go. If you are waiting to hear from me, regarding booking a CBTA assessment, please contact me to make the booking, and then I can let you know what the different options are...
I can be contacted on 094241246 or 0212693246, or email triciaoconnor@xtra.co.nz .
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/docs/cbta-course-guide.pdf

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Mainland Mike

3rd March 2014, 12:46

Hi all. Just an update that Mainland Motorcycle School now has two NZTA approved instructors and assessors for CBTA restricted and licecnes.
There is now no need to wait 6 months between your learners licence and restricted, and we can also take off 6 months off the time you need to be on your restricted to full licence. So now it can take 12 months from learners to full rather than the 24months under the old system. Obviously this is based on competency. A new rider will take longer than that as they need time on a bike to lift their skills.
We have 2 options for pre assessment training depending on current ability. One shorter one for riders that are already confident at low and high speed skills. This covers what you need to know in test so you can pass. It is very unlikely a rider could pass without the training first.
We also have a longer course to lift skills fro intermediate riders who ride on the road but may need training for the low speed skills or hill work and confidence we are looking for in the higher speed sections.

Please visit here for details. http://www.motorcycleschool.co.nz/licensing/new-cbta-licence-system/

JimmyC

6th March 2014, 14:33

Anyone in Wellington offering these courses\assessments?

Bald Eagle

6th March 2014, 14:41

Checkout twobaldbikers.co.nz

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JimmyC

7th March 2014, 07:42

Checkout twobaldbikers.co.nz

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Awesome, thanks.

Tricia1000

7th March 2014, 07:44

Yes, Andrew and Lynne Templeton from Roadsafe.. Two of the instructors on the steering group for CBTA.

Anyone in Wellington offering these courses\assessments?

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
0212693246

JimmyC

10th March 2014, 14:35

Thanks Tricia, have requested more info from them.

matrox02

10th March 2014, 16:11

Im liking the look of the CBTA licencing , being one that has anxiety with "tests" I liek the idea of trainging to get a license better, seams a little less "one shot" i guess, id rather be told No brush up here and actually show that you are learnign to be better, then " WRONG! BYE BYE! " by some bloke thats following in the car

Tricia1000

10th March 2014, 18:23

Hi Matrox02,
If you would like to book an assessment, then give me a shout. Then if time permits after the assessment and debrief, we can do some training. Are you currently on your learners license or restricted license?
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Im liking the look of the CBTA licencing , being one that has anxiety with "tests" I liek the idea of trainging to get a license better, seams a little less "one shot" i guess, id rather be told No brush up here and actually show that you are learnign to be better, then " WRONG! BYE BYE! " by some bloke thats following in the car

matrox02

10th March 2014, 19:01

Hi Matrox02,
If you would like to book an assessment, then give me a shout. Then if time permits after the assessment and debrief, we can do some training. Are you currently on your learners license or restricted license?
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

On Learners at the moment, How ever My time is limited quite a bit as I work most nights and sleep during the day, Orewa may be a little far away being that i live in Manukau :S

SNF

10th March 2014, 20:29

I'm liking the look of the CBTA licensing. I'd rather be told No brush up here and actually show that you are learning to be better, then " WRONG! BYE BYE! " by some bloke that's following in the car

Definitely. Will be going this way through the license system when funds permit.

JimmyC

13th March 2014, 11:10

I'm looking at doing the Silver Ride Forever course (ACC\Council sponsored $50) through Road Safe in Wellington as preparation for doing my full license via CBTA. Does anyone have any experience in doing this particular course? I'm interested in rider numbers vs instructor numbers for starters. I've contacted Road Safe and they're getting back to me on their specifics but I'd appreciate any feedback from riders with experience of this course.

There's a conflicting thread on page 2 of the Survival Skills forum called Pro Rider training, but it does raise some general concerns I have about group training if it's not super well organised and executed. One on one, full day of training for full licence CBTA is circa $500, but could be money much better spent.

I'm eligible to sit my full license in just 8 weeks anyway so that's another factor in weighing up all my options.

Tricia1000

13th March 2014, 19:12

I can definitely recommend ANY TRAINING that is delivered by Roadsafe in Wellington.
However, If you take on one-to-one training, with either Andrew or Lynne, you will learn heaps more, and obviously get more value for money..including heaps of feedback, heaps of training about what YOU need to learn.

As an instructor, if I take out one student, then that student has 95% of my attention and 5% attention to myself .
But if I take out 3 students, they each only get 30% of my attention, (10% for me) or six students get 15% of my attention (10% for me).
Absolutely NOTHING will take the place of quality one-to-one training..
And you will get quality from Roadsafe..
Roadsafe were on the committee with myself (Roadcraft) and Riderskills when the CBTA was being put together and trialled, from start to finish. It was a pleasure working with both Roadsafe and Riderskills, during this time, as we all teach and ride at the same level....something that isn't easy to find...instructors who all sing from the same hymn page..:laugh:

Trica1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
0212693246

I'm looking at doing the Silver Ride Forever course (ACC\Council sponsored $50) through Road Safe in Wellington as preparation for doing my full license via CBTA. Does anyone have any experience in doing this particular course? I'm interested in rider numbers vs instructor numbers for starters. I've contacted Road Safe and they're getting back to me on their specifics but I'd appreciate any feedback from riders with experience of this course.

There's a conflicting thread on page 2 of the Survival Skills forum called Pro Rider training, but it does raise some general concerns I have about group training if it's not super well organised and executed. One on one, full day of training for full licence CBTA is circa $500, but could be money much better spent.

I'm eligible to sit my full license in just 8 weeks anyway so that's another factor in weighing up all my options.

JimmyC

14th March 2014, 07:48

Thanks Tricia, that endorsement is very encouraging. This Silver course is apparently a max of 6 riders to 1 instructor. Not fast enough to work out those percentages but that seems a little thin on your personal attention scale to me. Can't argue with the price of course but... I'll see what their 1 on 1 prices are like. I'd love some training anyway being completely self taught to date. (I don't count the BHS as training!)

george formby

14th March 2014, 09:50

JimmyC

14th March 2014, 10:41

Maybe it was typo but I think you can do silver & gold for $50 a pop. Shall be doing the silver soon meself.

Not a typo, the ACC\Council sponsored Silver and Gold group courses are $50 each.

george formby

14th March 2014, 11:53

Not a typo, the ACC\Council sponsored Silver and Gold group courses are $50 each.

My bad. Was looking at the CBTA cost.
The G/F had a great time on the Bronze course so I'm looking forward to the silver, can't go wrong at that price.

DamianW

15th March 2014, 08:08

I recommend reading the NZTA Statement of Approval Conditions. It's a 71 page PDF assessors doc found on the NZTA website. It covers in detail the test criteria used by assessors for the CBTA class 6 R and F licence tests. If you read it and do a RideForever silver course then you will be better prepared.

JimmyC

27th March 2014, 10:51

Anyone sat either of the CBTA tests yet, Restricted or Full? Curious to hear what's involved, why they're different.

Tricia1000

28th March 2014, 04:17

They are different, because the assessments are based on the contents of the book "Roadcraft" and knowledge of "the system of motorcycle control" ada "the System".
You will be followed by your assessor, riding their own bike, as opposed to a Testing Officer in a car, (who may or may NOT hold a motorcycle licence).
Pass or Fail, you will be debriefed at the end of the assessment.
as mentioned above, head over to the NZTA website, and have a read of the criteria, and exactly what you will be tested on -http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/motorcycles/cbta.html .

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA
0212693246

Anyone sat either of the CBTA tests yet, Restricted or Full? Curious to hear what's involved, why they're different.