PC gone mad, again

[SMOKEU]

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1365472361/567/8527567.jpg

"A commercial pilot was today fined $3750 for the "gravely offensive" act of hovering a helicopter over the summit of Aoraki/Mt Cook on Christmas Eve in 2011.

Jason Manderson, 40, of Waikanae, pleaded guilty by letter to the Timaru District Court, to a charge of illegal aircraft hovering, under bylaw 10 (2) of the Mount Cook National Park Bylaws 1981.

Under the bylaws it is an offence to land on or hover over any site within the Aoraki/Mt Cook National Park which is not a designated aerodrome.

In the summary of facts read to the court, the Department of Conservation (DOC) said the 3754-metre peak represented, to Ngai Tahu, "the most sacred of ancestors, from whom Ngai Tahu descend and who provide the iwi with its sense of communal identity, solidarity and purpose".

In April 2012, DOC's attention was drawn to two images on Facebook of a Squirrel helicopter positioned on the summit of Aoraki/Mt Cook.

Copies of the photographs were obtained and examination revealed they had been taken shortly after 9am on December 24, 2011, a minute apart, from opposite sides of the peak.

Manderson was piloting the helicopter, operated by South Westland-based Fox and Franz Josef Heliservices, on a commercial scenic flight with five passengers.

Spoken to on July 12, 2012, Manderson confirmed he had placed the photographs on Facebook.

At the time he claimed another pilot in the area had suggested that if he was to fly level with the summit he could get photos "to look like he was flying over the top of the mountain".

He denied landing on or hovering over the summit, claiming it would have been easy for someone to doctor the photos to make it appear he had landed.

In passing sentence, Judge Joanna Maze said the offence was "seen as one of sacrilege to those to whom Aoraki/Mt Cook is of central cultural importance".

"The fact that you did it in the interests of trade and self-aggrandisement is a double offence," she said.

Judge Maze said Manderson's action was seen as "gravely offensive" and as a result her starting point for sentencing had to be the maximum penalty available, a fine of $5000.

She gave Manderson credit for his early guilty plea in setting the fine at $3750."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8527878/Hovering-helicopter-gravely-offensive


So why the fuck do the "iwi" have any right to claim that helicopters can't hover over a mountain?!

[imdying]

Sacrilege! How dare he anger the imaginary gods that inhabit the mountain.


Just how fucked do you have to be to believe that crap? Or put another way, are Maori's more or less fucked than Ed? :niceone:

[Nova.]

need to get rid of the Maori's...

I'm an atheist but i bet if that was Christians or whatever they wouldn't have whinged.

[328FTW]

As a white person I'm offended this went to court. Can I fine the maori $20,000 for this?

[nodrog]

.....So why the fuck do the "iwi" have any right to claim that helicopters can't hover over a mountain?!

cos they are air whores

[The End]

represented, to Ngai Tahu, "the most sacred of ancestors, from whom Ngai Tahu descend and who provide the iwi with its sense of communal identity, solidarity and purpose".

So what happens when someone climbing the mountain needs to take a massive shit? I'd imagine that's more offensive than hovering a helicopter over a mountain. :lol:

[Akzle]

someone forgot to pay the taniwha tax, obviously.

[caseye]

no AkZ that site foreman from the Waikato, ( the guy who shot the taniwha, so the expressway could continue past Meremere) he was down there not so long ago.
Problem solved. What a crock of shit.
If he'd landed there he'd have fallen off one side or the other and we'd be talking about the dozy prick who tried to land a chopper there.
This tells me more about the so called judge and their perception of how most! NZ'ers would react to such a significant (NOT) breach of summit etiquette , than anything else.
Complete cock up from start to finish.
Long as no snow is moved and or avalanches are caused WHO the hell cares how close a helium chopter comes to the summit?

[Hitcher]

Forgetting about racist nonsense for a moment, surely the issue here is whether a pilot of an aircraft can be trusted to comply with CAA regulations?

[pete376403]

Forgetting about racist nonsense for a moment, surely the issue here is whether a pilot of an aircraft can be trusted to comply with CAA regulations?

CAA regs? bylaw 10 (2) of the Mount Cook National Park Bylaws 1981

[Madness]

Forgetting about racist nonsense for a moment, surely the issue here is whether a pilot of an aircraft can be trusted to comply with CAA regulations?

So somebody infringes the Mount Cook National Park Bylaws 1981 and you're worried they then won't comply with CAA regulations? Isn't that like somebody caught speeding may go on to commit an offence under the Crimes Act?

ARSE! I got pipped to the post.

[Deano]

Hahaha - I know Jason from from early twenties and used to go to college with his older brother.

He was never one to abide by the rules LOL

[Ocean1]

Forgetting about racist nonsense for a moment, surely the issue here is whether a pilot of an aircraft can be trusted to comply with CAA regulations?

He denied landing on or hovering over the summit. He also pleaded guilty.

Either way I have no problem at all with people breaking fucking stupid rules.

[avgas]

Funny aint it - don't see anyone crying Utu over the fact it was called "Cook" for 50 years.

Hope the local tribes don't need to call westpac when one of them gets sick doing a ritual up there..........ah thats right. None of them have even climbed it.

[Milts]

Yes this does seem mental, and I disagree entirely.

However exactly the same thing would be happening (in reverse) if someone did something equally culturally insensitive in a cathedral, synagogue, etc - or even to a nation's flag. No more or less ridiculous than any of that.

[huff3r]

Yes this does seem mental, and I disagree entirely.

However exactly the same thing would be happening (in reverse) if someone did something equally culturally insensitive in a cathedral, synagogue, etc - or even to a nation's flag. No more or less ridiculous than any of that.

If someone hovered a chopper over a cathedral, when there was no-one there but another chopper to witness it, I doubt they'd kick up a big stink. Maybe if it was in the middle of a service, but otherwise I don't think it'd make the paper let alone the court room.

[Milts]

If someone hovered a chopper over a cathedral, when there was no-one there but another chopper to witness it, I doubt they'd kick up a big stink. Maybe if it was in the middle of a service, but otherwise I don't think it'd make the paper let alone the court room.

No, but 1) there is no law specifically addressing cathedrals 2) I'm sure there are things which would seem completely normal to some people (sex? homsexual sex?) which, when conducted in a cathedral, would suddenly become extremely offensive to the owners and attendents of said cathedral.

[caseye]

Funny aint it - don't see anyone crying Utu over the fact it was called "Cook" for 50 years.

Hope the local tribes don't need to call westpac when one of them gets sick doing a ritual up there..........ah thats right. None of them have even climbed it.


Ha, too fucking lazy! By the way, send a white mans magic helium chopter to save them. I don;t fink so.

[pete376403]

Yes this does seem mental, and I disagree entirely.

However exactly the same thing would be happening (in reverse) if someone did something equally culturally insensitive in a cathedral, synagogue, etc - or even to a nation's flag. No more or less ridiculous than any of that.

You mean like tame iti shooting the NZ flag with a shotgun?

Oh thats right, that was *different* Yeah Fucking Right!


"Tame Iti's now infamous shooting of the New Zealand flag caused much controversy. Amid cries of treason, however, he was only charged with brandishing and firing a shotgun.

He defended himself by saying the shooting took place behind the confiscation line on Tuhoe land and he was acting within Tuhoe custom, but was yesterday found guilty.

For several weeks it looked like he would not be charged at all, until politicians saw the incident on television."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10389147

[Hinny]

........ah thats right. None of them have even climbed it.

Mark Whetu skied it!

[oldrider]

What a lot of fucking Bullshit! :bs: Just too precious for words simply breeds contempt rather than respect! :facepalm:

[Delerium]

Yes this does seem mental, and I disagree entirely.

However exactly the same thing would be happening (in reverse) if someone did something equally culturally insensitive in a cathedral, synagogue, etc - or even to a nation's flag. No more or less ridiculous than any of that.

Nothing happened when tama iti shot the nz flag. I dont think he was even done for discharging a firearm in a built up area.

[oldrider]

Nothing happened when tama iti shot the nz flag. I dont think he was even done for discharging a firearm in a built up area.

And without possession of a current registered firearms licence! :mad: (Could you see a non Maori get away with that lot!) :oi-grr:

[Banditbandit]

ah thats right. None of them have even climbed it.

No - wrong ... The Te Koeti and Bannister Families (both Māori) were mountain guides on the West Coast in the 1910s ... George Bannister was the first Maori to climb what was then called Mt Cook and he did it in 1912 ...

You have no idea of the history of your own country do you ..

[bogan]

No - wrong ... The Te Koeti and Bannister Families (both Māori) were mountain guides on the West Coast in the 1910s ... George Bannister was the first Maori to climb what was then called Mt Cook and he did it in 1912 ...

You have no idea of the history of your own country do you ..

Perhaps he means the current members of the local tribes. The dead fullas probably aren't the ones doing the objecting...

[Banditbandit]

Perhaps he means the current members of the local tribes. The dead fullas probably aren't the ones doing the objecting...

As far as I know Mark Whetu is still alive - and he has climbed Aoraki a number of times .. and as Hinny said, he has skied off it too ..

When did you last cklimb that mountain ???

[Banditbandit]

Ha, too fucking lazy! By the way, send a white mans magic helium chopter to save them. I don;t fink so.

So .. when did you climb that mountain ??? Or are you too fucking lazy as well ???

[bogan]

As far as I know Mark Whetu is still alive - and he has climbed Aoraki a number of times .. and as Hinny said, he has skied off it too ..

When did you last cklimb that mountain ???

Where the fuck is Aoraki and why should I care?

Climb it? fuck I'm saving up for a helicopter, or at minimum a snowmobile before heading up there. Actually, a Tauntaun might do the trick also.

[SMOKEU]

+1 to the helicopter or snowmobile.

[HenryDorsetCase]

here's the thing with religions: if you have some religions with legislated protection, then they all should be otherwise itis discriminatory. If we think this is utter bullshit (and for the record, I do) then logically zombie jesus day (sometimes called easter) and middle eastern lunatic's birthday (sometimes called christmas) should not receive any legal distinction from any other day of the week.

The white man's imaginary friends have been at this shit a lot longer than our dusky bretheren. Can't blame them for having their hands out where the body politic gives them the opportunity.

its exactly the same as having the presence of taniwah dictate the route and design of roads and bridges, or even better, "consultation" about "air taniwha" when you are trying to get an air discharge resource consent. Its all bullshit, of course, but a nice wee earner for some crooked politicians.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Where the fuck is Aoraki and why should I care?

Climb it? fuck I'm saving up for a helicopter, or at minimum a snowmobile before heading up there. Actually, a Tauntaun might do the trick also.

you would have to be prepared to lift the snowmobile up some of the approach pitches on Mt Cook. but yeah, go for it.

[Banditbandit]

here's the thing with religions: if you have some religions with legislated protection, then they all should be otherwise itis discriminatory. If we think this is utter bullshit (and for the record, I do) then logically zombie jesus day (sometimes called easter) and middle eastern lunatic's birthday (sometimes called christmas) should not receive any legal distinction from any other day of the week.

Yes exactly ..


The white man's imaginary friends have been at this shit a lot longer than our dusky bretheren. Can't blame them for having their hands out where the body politic gives them the opportunity.

Errrrrr ... I'm kinda thinking that the white man's imaginary friends are a lot younger than others ... Christianity, for instance, is only 2,000 years old ... the Mary Cult is much younger than that ...


its exactly the same as having the presence of taniwah dictate the route and design of roads and bridges, or even better, "consultation" about "air taniwha" when you are trying to get an air discharge resource consent. Its all bullshit, of course, but a nice wee earner for some crooked politicians.

Wish you'd picked some better examples - from other belief systems maybe ... or am I missing something ???

[Banditbandit]

Where the fuck is Aoraki and why should I care?

Didn't pass reading comprehension at school did you ... "Aoraki" is named in the first line of the story of the first post of this thread ...


Climb it? fuck I'm saving up for a helicopter, or at minimum a snowmobile before heading up there. Actually, a Tauntaun might do the trick also.

Yeah .. you're too fucking lazy .. but criticise others for not doing it ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes exactly ..



Errrrrr ... I'm kinda thinking that the white man's imaginary friends are a lot younger than others ... Christianity, for instance, is only 2,000 years old ... the Mary Cult is much younger than that ...



Wish you'd picked some better examples - from other belief systems maybe ... or am I missing something ???

I think you are trying to imply that I am a racist. Not so, or at least not consciously. I dislike politics, polititicans, hypocrisy, religion (all) and most people. Can't say fairer than that.

by "at this" I mean leveraging their imaginary friends for pecunary gain, just so we're clear.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wish you'd picked some better examples - from other belief systems maybe ... or am I missing something ???

those examples are examples of actual things that happened in NZ.

If you want a counter-example (with the heading "white people problems" maybe) then read up on the crap surrounding the Angle can cathedral in christchurch. (though to be fair, the public face of teh Great Canterbury Buildings Trust is JimAnderton, the well-known communist and marxist, and lunatic catholic)

[bogan]

Didn't pass reading comprehension at school did you ... "Aoraki" is named in the first line of the story of the first post of this thread ...



Yeah .. you're too fucking lazy .. but criticise others for not doing it ..

Meh, I tend not to do too well at remembering other languages.

Who did I criticise? You were saying something about reading comprehension :shifty:

[Banditbandit]

I think you are trying to imply that I am a racist. Not so, or at least not consciously. I dislike politics, polititicans, hypocrisy, religion (all) and most people. Can't say fairer than that.

No not at all ... anything but - exactly the opposite in fact ... I was agreeing with you .. you made a very relevent point.


by "at this" I mean leveraging their imaginary friends for pecunary gain, just so we're clear.

Oh ... OK. That's not what I thought you meant ..


those examples are examples of actual things that happened in NZ.

If you want a counter-example (with the heading "white people problems" maybe) then read up on the crap surrounding the Angle can cathedral in christchurch.

I had thought of the catrhedral example ... my point I think, was that you were making some sort of comparision witrh other belief systems .. but then your examples were all from Māori belief systems ... but then I didn't get that the point was pecunary ...


(though to be fair, the public face of teh Great Canterbury Buildings Trust is JimAnderton, the well-known communist and marxist, and lunatic catholic)

I doubt that Anderton is a communist ... but I had a friend who was Catholic and Communist .. used to subscribe to People's Voice and a Catholic newspaper. WHen he lit the fire with both papers we watched the Pope and Karl Marx go up the chimney together ...

[leathel]

I don't know about the respect for the mountain part of this or the Maori issues but I would be pissed if I climbed it and was near the top and some clown was hovering over the top in a chopper... threatening an avalanche that could kill me or anyone else in its path or just blow us off the mountain.

Its a joke DOC is the one to pick up on this when they have turned a blind eye to other choppers hovering and buzzing valleys chasing down Tahr so the lazy yank can step out and shoot a near run to death animal, disrespecting the many in the valley trying to get away from the masses and be in the wilderness.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had thought of the catrhedral example ... my point I think, was that you were making some sort of comparision witrh other belief systems .. but then your examples were all from Māori belief systems ... but then I didn't get that the point was pecunary ...



I doubt that Anderton is a communist ... but I had a friend who was Catholic and Communist .. used to subscribe to People's Voice and a Catholic newspaper. WHen he lit the fire with both papers we watched the Pope and Karl Marx go up the chimney together ...

Its always about the money, honey.

Maybe Jimbo was "only" a socialist: socialist action party and such. Then who wasn't in the 70's? ;-)

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Jim_Anderton

[Swoop]

If the wings are travelling faster than the fuselage it is extremely dangerous, and therefore a helicopter.


Helo pilot's obeying rules?:rofl::rofl: