So, Honda riders can marry now!

[Mom]

All jokes aside, what a forward thinking set of people we have in Parliament at the moment. Equal rights for gay people to marry in NZ.

What a cool thing to watch tonight on the old goggle box.

Tuned in just in time to see it officially passsed into law in NZ.

[sil3nt]

I really don't see the fuss. People seem to think we are all going to get aids because of this. Seems like a straight forward decision to me.

[Maha]

Are lesbians gay or not?
The term 'Gay and Lesbian' would have you believe that Lesbians are are of some other genda and not gay.

[Tink]

A quote on seven sharp from an email "please vote them in, so we can get on with our lives, and stop talking about gays"

I would have said "dude I got your back on that one"

[hayd3n]

and i still cant marry a lesbian :(

[mashman]

About fuckin time.

[AllanB]

Shit I must have logged into the wrong site. Are all the rednecks sleeping?

[Virago]

Shit I must have logged into the wrong site. Are all the rednecks sleeping?

It's all over at the main thread...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151969-I-believe-in-gay-marriage

[Katman]

Ed's in mourning.

[AllanB]

It's all over at the main thread...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151969-I-believe-in-gay-marriage

Phew - I was getting worried KB had turned 'gay' bahahahahahahahahah

[bogan]

About fuckin time.

Just so you know, that was always legal, you didn't have to wait for the bill to pass...

[\m/]

Ed's in mourning.
And SmokeU's busy rooting his mum.

[cc rider]

I'd do Mom :love:




PS... and not jus we're prob related



hmmm... jus read above post... timing :rofl:

[awayatc]

plenty off gay men always been married.................

just not with their boyfriends.......

[pzkpfw]

Yep, about time.

http://leftycartoons.com/slippery-slopes/

[martybabe]

and i still cant marry a lesbian :(

Dang, I hadn't thought of that, sad day indeed. I have made several attempts to ingratiate myself with Lesbian comunities in the past and whilst some progress was made, being massive in the trouser department has always held me back. Hey, have I got to marry a bloke now? I DON"T WANNA!:shit:

[Dangsta]

About time. I've been listening to people talking about how its against Gods will (good to know God's against love) to marry same sex couples and others who think the institution of marriage will be damaged by allowing LGBT's to marry. The more they talk, the worse they sound. Marriage itself is steadily turning into a joke with pop and reality stars publicly cashing in on it and then divorcing before the cakes finished. Some friends of mine got married so they could work in Dubai as a couple and for no other reason than that. Im not saying everyone takes the piss out of it but for some, the meaning of marriage has just been eroded. Perhaps non-straight couples might put some integrity back into the thing. I'm straight and have been living with my partner for 12 years in a happy relationship with no intention of getting married but we have the choice to marry if we want. I dont see the why its so bad that a queer couple in the same boat should have that choice too.

[Swoop]

I can see NZ's tourism rate increasing. Couples from Australia heading over here to get hitched.

Another instance of NZ being ahead of Australia.

[SMOKEU]

And SmokeU's busy rooting his mum.

Your mom, actually.

[Banditbandit]

Your mom, actually.

Like older women do you ???

[FJRider]

and i still cant marry a lesbian :(

It is entirely legal to marry a lesbian. Unless you are already married.

[SMOKEU]

Like older women do you ???

Sometimes, depends how old we're talking.

[FJRider]

Shit I must have logged into the wrong site. Are all the rednecks sleeping?

Only the honda riders/owners awake ... :innocent:

[FJRider]

And SmokeU's busy rooting his mum.

So he's a lesbian .. ??? :blink:

[Oscar]

Shit I must have logged into the wrong site. Are all the rednecks sleeping?

I find it interesting that in this discussion, the opponents of the bill are portrayed as “Rednecks” and “Intolerant”. Whereas I don’t agree with them, most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.

In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.

[BoristheBiter]

I find it interesting that in this discussion, the opponents of the bill are portrayed as “Rednecks” and “Intolerant”. Whereas I don’t agree with them, most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.

In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.

It's the way of the world now "it is my right to abuse you for your beliefs but but you can't abuse me as it's my right"

[bogan]

I find it interesting that in this discussion, the opponents of the bill are portrayed as “Rednecks” and “Intolerant”. Whereas I don’t agree with them, most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.

In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.

Well how would you describe smokeu's views on the matter then? Sure the religious have a legitimate gripe with it, and it is another nail in the coffin on the traditional marriage, but it certainly isn't the first.

[BoristheBiter]

Well how would you describe smokeu's views

South African from the 1900's?

[FJRider]

most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.



People do get upset when others have different opinions ... to the long held ones they have :pinch:

The legal freedom to be gay is one thing ... but is that the last we will hear of it .. ??? Will their next step to be make it compulsory ... ??? :facepalm:

[Dave Lobster]

most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.


GOOD!



In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.


No it isn't. Intolerance of the intolerant is never be disturbing. Tolerating the intolerant is cowardice.

[BoristheBiter]

No it isn't. Intolerance of the intolerant is never be disturbing. Tolerating the intolerant is cowardice.

So if you're intolerant to intolerance that would make you disturbing or just a coward?

[Oscar]

GOOD!




No it isn't. Intolerance of the intolerant is never be disturbing. Tolerating the intolerant is cowardice.

You live in a very black and white world.
So you're happy with the intolerance of the Gay Community toward people whose Religious and Cultural beliefs put them at odds with the bill?
Are you saying that you're intolerant of people with different religious beliefs from you?

[Banditbandit]

Sometimes, depends how old we're talking.

Sometimes ??? That implies you've had sex more than once ....:shit:

[BoristheBiter]

Sometimes ??? That implies you've had sex more than once ....:shit:

and with old people:sick:

[sgtp]

NZ has a disgusting statistic of abusing their children, and killing their children through physical abuse (WTF?!?!) so my prediction is story after story in comming years of male same sex couples that are butt fucking their kids. Hopefully they never are allowed to adopt :sick:

[Banditbandit]

NZ has a disgusting statistic of abusing their children, and killing their children through physical abuse (WTF?!?!) so my prediction is story after story in comming years of male same sex couples that are butt fucking their kids. Hopefully they never are allowed to adopt :sick:

Fuck me ... that's just such bullshit .. most violent child abuse occurs in "normal" families ... and most child sex abuse is perpetrated by men married to women ...

And the gays are out there now ... how wil this law change increase the abuse of children???

http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-plain-stupid.jpg

[Dave Lobster]

You live in a very black and white world.
So you're happy with the intolerance of the Gay Community toward people whose Religious and Cultural beliefs put them at odds with the bill?
Are you saying that you're intolerant of people with different religious beliefs from you?

I'm happy with anyone that is intolerant of all religious people.

If you could cite a few of these cultural beliefs that are at odds with the bill, that might help. Unless you're confusing culture with religion.

I don't have any religious beliefs. I don't have any beliefs regarding the authenticity of alchemy or astrology either. I treat all religious people with the contempt they deserve.

[oneofsix]

Fuck me ... that's just such bullshit .. most violent child abuse occurs in "normal" families ... and most child sex abuse is perpetrated by men married to women ...

Hey go easy on that "normal" term. Most of those families aren't normal, might be "traditional" as in different genders - but normal? I fucking hope not or no child would make adulthood.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm happy with anyone that is intolerant of all religious people.

If you could cite a few of these cultural beliefs that are at odds with the bill, that might help. Unless you're confusing culture with religion.


Where do you think our culture comes from? :facepalm:

So that would be a yes to you are just intolerant then.

[Banditbandit]

Hey go easy on that "normal" term. Most of those families aren't normal, might be "traditional" as in different genders - but normal? I fucking hope not or no child would make adulthood.

Bwhahahaha .. yeah ...

And that is why I put "normal" in quote marks ... meaning only a man and a woman as parents ...

[Banditbandit]

Where do you think our culture comes from? :facepalm:



Our culture (tangata whenua) comes from here ... your culture (tangata tiriti) was largely imported from the other side of the world ... don't you think it might be time WE made our own culture here ???

[BoristheBiter]

Our culture (tangata whenua) comes from here ... your culture (tangata tiriti) was largely imported from the other side of the world ... don't you think it might be time WE made our own culture here ???

yep and yours is based on mythology (doesn't make either better just different) I think you missed the point i was trying to make to DL.

I thought that's what we are trying to do but you will always get those that want to hang on, us oldies don't do change that well.

[Banditbandit]

yep and yours is based on mythology (doesn't make either better just different)

And yours isn't?


I think you missed the point i was trying to make to DL.

No I didn't .. just took that in a different direction ... I can't resist the political moves .. it's too entrenched in who I am ..


I thought that's what we are trying to do but you will always get those that want to hang on, us oldies don't do change that well.

Too true .. and on both sides ...

[BoristheBiter]

And yours isn't?
No it's based on fact :laugh: sorry even i couldn't keep a straight face typing that.

No I didn't .. just took that in a different direction ... I can't resist the political moves .. it's too entrenched in who I am ..

Would a troll by any other name still type as obvious?


Too true .. and on both sides ...

Funny thing was when we first came to NZ back in the 70's we lived down in Kawerau and both cultures seemed to live side by side (i was only 5 so might not have been) without all the bollocks that seems to gone on these days.

[SMOKEU]

Our culture (tangata whenua) comes from here ... your culture (tangata tiriti) was largely imported from the other side of the world ... don't you think it might be time WE made our own culture here ???

You guys are immigrants to NZ, too. NZ doesn't have native people so your culture came from the other side of the world as well.

[Oscar]

I'm happy with anyone that is intolerant of all religious people.

If you could cite a few of these cultural beliefs that are at odds with the bill, that might help. Unless you're confusing culture with religion.

I don't have any religious beliefs. I don't have any beliefs regarding the authenticity of alchemy or astrology either. I treat all religious people with the contempt they deserve.

I don't have any religious beliefs either, but I think you'll find that freedom of religion is a basic civil right in this country.

As for confusing culture with religion, I'd like to see you separate them.
Did you have time off over Easter? Or did you refuse and keep working?

[Oscar]

Our culture (tangata whenua) comes from here ... your culture (tangata tiriti) was largely imported from the other side of the world ... don't you think it might be time WE made our own culture here ???

"Our" culture in 2013 is a combination of tangata whenua and tangata tiriti, unless you can find a portion of either society that has had no contact with the other since 1769.

[huff3r]

I don't have any religious beliefs either, but I think you'll find that freedom of religion is a basic civil right in this country.

As for confusing culture with religion, I'd like to see you separate them.
Did you have time off over Easter? Or did you refuse and keep working?

So if there were a religion where gay men were allowed to marry, then we should, no, must tolerate and accept them?

I guess the law change can only be the right thing to do then. ;)

[Banditbandit]

You guys are immigrants to NZ, too. NZ doesn't have native people so your culture came from the other side of the world as well.

No .. see .. you are right about the immigration thing .. but the people who arrived here first had a Pacific Island culture .. you know ... one from smaller and warmed islands further north .. the CULTURE which we today call Māori culture developed here ... it did not come from the other side of the world - it developed here, in this group of islands ...

[Oscar]

So if there were a religion where gay men were allowed to marry, then we should, no, must tolerate and accept them?

I guess the law change can only be the right thing to do then. ;)

Missed the point by miles.
Marriage is a part of our religious and cultural heritage.
As a very wise man just said, why would Gay people wish to indulge in marriage when it comes from a Church & Society that has reviled them all these years?
If gay men suddenly decided that they needed to cuddle and kiss publicly whilst performing a haka or powhiri, would we tolerate that?

[Banditbandit]

"Our" culture in 2013 is a combination of tangata whenua and tangata tiriti, unless you can find a portion of either society that has had no contact with the other since 1769.

Yes - it is. Both Pākehā culture and Māori culture share comon elements ... Can we yet say it is a "New Zealand culture"??? I'm not sure .. and many of my radical friends would say "NO". (Both Māori radical and rightwing Pākehā) ...

But one day it wil be ... and I hope it combines the best of both cultures - not the worst of both cultures ...

[Oscar]

Yes - it is. Both Pākehā culture and Māori culture share comon elements ... Can we yet say it is a "New Zealand culture"??? I'm not sure .. and many of my radical friends would say "NO". (Both Māori radical and rightwing Pākehā) ...

But one day it wil be ... and I hope it combines the best of both cultures - not the worst of both cultures ...

It is inevitable.
Within a very short time, a majority of the population will have some Maori ancestors.

[HenryDorsetCase]

In my experience, its the rednecks and fundys that spend a lot more time thinking about gay sex than the gay people I know do.

But whatever, I am pleased.

By the way, it could be justified for NO other reason than the economic benefits: tourism, the pink dollar, all that.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It is inevitable.
Within a very short time, a majority of the population will have some Maori ancestors.

I wouldnt mind having some moari descendents. There are some hot girls at my gym I could start with. It can be my end of the treaty settlement process. I'm, um, doing my bit. (A small bit, some might say, and please dont tell SWMBO)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes - it is. Both Pākehā culture and Māori culture share comon elements ... Can we yet say it is a "New Zealand culture"??? I'm not sure .. and many of my radical friends would say "NO". (Both Māori radical and rightwing Pākehā) ...

But one day it wil be ... and I hope it combines the best of both cultures - not the worst of both cultures ...

PSvnIwg0lEA


this is, of course, the worst of both worlds. You're welcome.

[HenryDorsetCase]

"Our" culture in 2013 is a combination of tangata whenua and tangata tiriti, unless you can find a portion of either society that has had no contact with the other since 1769.

I'm going with dirty old gay old Gore.

What do I win?

[BoristheBiter]

Yes - it is. Both Pākehā culture and Māori culture share comon elements ... Can we yet say it is a "New Zealand culture"??? I'm not sure .. and many of my radical friends would say "NO". (Both Māori radical and rightwing Pākehā) ...

But one day it wil be ... and I hope it combines the best of both cultures - not the worst of both cultures ...

Some don't want to as it would hurt there voting base (on both sides)

[Oscar]

I'm going with dirty old gay old Gore.

What do I win?

A weekend in Gore, where you will be the only participant in the Gore Rainbow Pride Festival.

[Banditbandit]

this is, of course, the worst of both worlds. You're welcome.

Eeerrrr ... YES !!!

[Oscar]

In my experience, its the rednecks and fundys that spend a lot more time thinking about gay sex than the gay people I know do.

.

In your experience?
Do you spend a lot of time asking people if they think about gay sex?

[Banditbandit]

I wouldnt mind having some moari descendents. There are some hot girls at my gym I could start with. It can be my end of the treaty settlement process. I'm, um, doing my bit. (A small bit, some might say, and please dont tell SWMBO)

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HenryDorsetCase again."

I can understand that ... there's some very cute young women at the gym I use too.

[SMOKEU]

First gay marriage, then what, are we going to start encouraging race mixing next?

[Banditbandit]

First gay marriage, then what, are we going to start encouraging race mixing next?

Encourage it ??? No need to do that ... it's been happening ever since people arrived here ... we just like sleeping with each other ...

(And that's good coming from a product of South Africa .. how many races are there in your ancestry?)

[BoristheBiter]

First gay marriage, then what, are we going to start encouraging race mixing next?

that's called the Dakar.

[BoristheBiter]

Encourage it ??? No need to do that ... it's been happening ever since people arrived here ... we just like sleeping with each other ...


Because everyone has pink bits. that,s how yo can tell we are all the same.

[AllanB]

I find it interesting that in this discussion, the opponents of the bill are portrayed as “Rednecks” and “Intolerant”. Whereas I don’t agree with them, most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.

In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.

Ha fair call. Had this conversation today with one of the mid 20's at work. He thinks it is all crap and asked for a old guys opinion. I told him I am no longer allowed an opinion on this matter anymore in NZ.

[Brett]

Awesome, I wont feel awkward about adding a CBR1000rr to the garage then.

[awa355]

First gay marriage, then what, are we going to start encouraging race mixing next?

Gay marriages? Next step, it will be made compulsary.

[SMOKEU]

(And that's good coming from a product of South Africa .. how many races are there in your ancestry?)

I'm not sure as I haven't traced my family tree back to the first ever humans.

[oldrider]

I can see NZ's tourism rate increasing. Couples from Australia heading over here to get hitched.

Another instance of NZ being ahead of Australia.

Just been all over the mid day news today! You were smack on there, will you stand for PM next time? :niceone:

[Swoop]

Just been all over the mid day news today! You were smack on there, will you stand for PM next time? :niceone:
I will be a benevolent dictator.:blip:

[gwigs]

I think its great that gays can now marry,why should staight people be the only
ones having to suffer...:whistle:

[merv]

Now I haven't bothered searching out the bill that's just been passed or any other legislation on the metter but where does bigamy fit in the picture now?

Are you allowed one straight marriage and one gay marriage for example as in can your wife also have a wife as well as her husband, meaning the husband can be legally at home with two chicks? Now that's a thought eh!

[HenryDorsetCase]

one of my friends made me laugh when he drew a distinction between different types of gay secks: There is "gay secks like cock breath, and there is gay secks like two hot chicks pashing".......

[HenryDorsetCase]

Now I haven't bothered searching out the bill that's just been passed or any other legislation on the metter but where does bigamy fit in the picture now?

Are you allowed one straight marriage and one gay marriage for example as in can your wife also have a wife as well as her husband, meaning the husband can be legally at home with two chicks? Now that's a thought eh!

Nothing has changed: you can only have one marriage on the go at a time. I have no idea why any guy would want more than one wife. They gang up on you when there's only one of them: with two you'd never get a word in edgeways.

[huff3r]

Nothing has changed: you can only have one marriage on the go at a time. I have no idea why any guy would want more than one wife. They gang up on you when there's only one of them: with two you'd never get a word in edgeways.

Two words:
Seperate houses.

When one is shitty, and you end up in the doghouse so to speak, you just piss off to the other and can still get "secks" (of the non-butt variety).

[Swoop]

I have no idea why any guy would want more than one wife.
Fuck that.

Two Mother-in-laws?

:thud:

[Banditbandit]

Naa bro ... find twins ... then you only have one mother-in-law ...

[Virago]

Some of hysterical responses to the passing of the bill have been quite interesting.

There are those who claim that children in same-sex households will now be abused, and that paedophilia, bestiality, polygamy, and incest will "be next". Not only is that hysterically funny, it is also a sad reflection on the claimants' view of homosexuality, that they perceive it as being in same league as these crimes. Thankfully, the majority of people have a little more common sense and civility.

By all means, you can believe that homosexuality is a sin before your God, that it is disgusting, that they're all kiddy-fiddlers. Your beliefs are your own, and you're welcome to them. But your right to those minority beliefs stops short of imposing them on others via our state laws.

Christian objections to homosexuality stem from obscure (and quite small) references in the bible, which are used to justify and legitimise their beliefs. As a side issue, the bible has a great deal more to say about judging others, but we won't go there, eh...? Many of those same passages make very odd suggestions about what’s right or wrong – such as the prohibition on the touching or consumption of pork, the stoning to death of non-virgin brides, the forced marriage of rape victims to their rapists, the acceptability of slavery (provided they’re from a neighbouring country), the forced marriage of a widow to her late husband’s brother (if she hasn’t yet borne a son), and the putting to death of anyone who works on the Sabbath. Do you think the bible passages could perhaps be being selectively paraded here?


I find it interesting that in this discussion, the opponents of the bill are portrayed as “Rednecks” and “Intolerant”. Whereas I don’t agree with them, most of the people opposing this bill are religious and are deeply offended by what they see as an attack on their beliefs.

In a country as supposedly PC and tolerant as NZ, this is somewhat disturbing.

The old double-standard false dichotomy, eh?

Intolerance of intolerance is hardly hypocritical. It's a bit like punching a peace campaigner and crying foul when they punch you back. People can't complain that they've lost the right to deny others their rights, surely?


You live in a very black and white world.
So you're happy with the intolerance of the Gay Community toward people whose Religious and Cultural beliefs put them at odds with the bill?
Are you saying that you're intolerant of people with different religious beliefs from you?


I don't have any religious beliefs either, but I think you'll find that freedom of religion is a basic civil right in this country...

Yes, religion is a basic civil right in this country - and long may that continue. But how far do those civil rights go? As far as blocking the civil rights of others?

Many have complained that the passing of the bill has infringed their right to religious belief. But what "right" have they lost? Only the "right" to dictate how others may live their lawful lives.

Religious "freedom", by its very nature, can only apply to the individual, and that has not changed. However, in this case, those individuals have lost their right to impose their beliefs through the state laws. If that offends them - tough. But they're still free to hold those beliefs, and live their lives in accordance with whatever moral code they choose to adopt.


...Marriage is a part of our religious and cultural heritage.
As a very wise man just said, why would Gay people wish to indulge in marriage when it comes from a Church & Society that has reviled them all these years?...

This has been well covered, but marriage has been around much longer than Christianity. Although Christians have for centuries claimed an erroneous moral ownership of the process and conduct of marriage, it is in fact nothing to do with them. They need to accept that.

[Oscar]

The old double-standard false dichotomy, eh?

Intolerance of intolerance is hardly hypocritical. It's a bit like punching a peace campaigner and crying foul when they punch you back. People can't complain that they've lost the right to deny others their rights, surely?


Quite so, but who punches first again?
If I express some disquiet about what is happening in a non-threatening manner, why is that intolerant?





Yes, religion is a basic civil right in this country - and long may that continue. But how far do those civil rights go? As far as blocking the civil rights of others?

Many have complained that the passing of the bill has infringed their right to religious belief. But what "right" have they lost? Only the "right" to dictate how others may live their lawful lives.

Religious "freedom", by its very nature, can only apply to the individual, and that has not changed. However, in this case, those individuals have lost their right to impose their beliefs through the state laws. If that offends them - tough. But they're still free to hold those beliefs, and live their lives in accordance with whatever moral code they choose to adopt.


Very true, but I would hope to think that we weren't a society that alienates people in that way without a bit more process.
As for your comment about "tough" - isn't it interesting that we in NZ tip-toe around certain cultures and ethnicities yet find it easy to insult others with impunity?
The vote in Parliament did not reflect the public opinion in this instance, as the last poll I saw had the public supporting the bill with a small majority. So I think a referendum may have been a more inclusive and final option.
Did any MP's survey their constituents? I would be very interested to know whether the average person in Manurewa supports Ms. Wall's bill.




This has been well covered, but marriage has been around much longer than Christianity. Although Christians have for centuries claimed an erroneous moral ownership of the process and conduct of marriage, it is in fact nothing to do with them. They need to accept that.

My original post referred to Judea-Christian tradition and I was talking about culture, as well as religion - in the case of most society's the two are almost impossible to separate.
In the finish, the law does not affect me in ant way, and I don't begrudge those with their newly found rights.
What does bother me is the sensationalist and shallow manner in which it was debated (by both sides).

[Katman]

In the finish, the law does not affect me in ant way, and I don't begrudge those with their newly found rights.
What does bother me is the sensationalist and shallow manner in which it was debated (by both sides).

And that's precisely why I have no problem with the new law. It doesn't make the slightest difference to me.

(I must have missed the sensationalism along the way - probably wan't paying attention).

[FJRider]

I don't have any religious beliefs either, but I think you'll find that freedom of religion is a basic civil right in this country.

The freedom to believe (without persecution) ... in your choice of religious belief ... is not an excuse/allowance for the breaking of any laws of the country that your religion may allow however.


As for confusing culture with religion, I'd like to see you separate them.
Did you have time off over Easter? Or did you refuse and keep working?

People confuse culture with lifestyle. Either (in my opinion) cannot in any way describe the other ..

[Virago]

...Very true, but I would hope to think that we weren't a society that alienates people in that way without a bit more process.
As for your comment about "tough" - isn't it interesting that we in NZ tip-toe around certain cultures and ethnicities yet find it easy to insult others with impunity?...

Point taken. But I think we need to differentiate between the right to an opinion, and a right to have an opinion enforced in law. As I've said, those who object on religious grounds have every right to do so. But to claim that their rights have been violated by the passage of the bill is another issue.


...The vote in Parliament did not reflect the public opinion in this instance, as the last poll I saw had the public supporting the bill with a small majority. So I think a referendum may have been a more inclusive and final option...

I’m guessing we were looking at different polls. EVERY poll I saw showed a two-thirds majority support for the bill – and there was some satisfaction in seeing a very similar majority in parliament. Real democracy in action for a change.


...My original post referred to Judea-Christian tradition and I was talking about culture, as well as religion - in the case of most society's the two are almost impossible to separate....

You’re probably right. But as societies change (and become more secular), laws which are based on pure Christian morals need to be looked at hard, and changed to reflect our changing society. Without such changes, we would still be stoning sinners to death and buying slaves.

[Oscar]

The freedom to believe (without persecution) ... in your choice of religious belief ... is not an excuse/allowance for the breaking of any laws of the country that your religion may allow however.





I never said it should be an excuse.

[FJRider]

And that's precisely why I have no problem with the new law. It doesn't make the slightest difference to me.

(I must have missed the sensationalism along the way - probably wan't paying attention).

With what I can gather .. it's not actually IN law yet ...


Same-sex marriages will become legal in New Zealand on 19 August 2013. A bill for the legalisation was passed by the New Zealand House of Representatives on 17 April 2013, 77 votes to 44 in its third reading and received Royal Assent on 19 April 2013, with entry into force 4 months later to allow time for the Department of Internal Affairs to make the necessary changes for marriage licensing.

[Katman]

With what I can gather .. it's not actually IN law yet ...

I'm sure there'll be action to try to disturb it.

[FJRider]

I'm sure there'll be action to try to disturb it.

And will have the same success rate ... as those attempting to prevent the placing of more WRB's around the countryside.

[FJRider]

But I think we need to differentiate between the right to an opinion, and a right to have an opinion enforced in law. As I've said, those who object on religious grounds have every right to do so. But to claim that their rights have been violated by the passage of the bill is another issue.

It's a funny thing about "Rights" ... the claiming of your rights are usually a last ditch effort to excuse your actions. Not defend them.

[Teflon]

Good for them.

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[Angel_of_Metal]

Good for them.

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This just made my week SO much better :2thumbsup

[oldrider]

This just made my week SO much better :2thumbsup

What a boring bloody waste of time looking at that shit! FFS! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. that was bloody boring !!!! Get a sex life of your own !!!!

[Angel_of_Metal]

I have a girlfriend. So this is about the closest I get to a sex life these days

[Maha]

I have a girlfriend. So this is about the closest I get to a sex life these days

The guys are only jealous...:rolleyes:

[Edbear]

The guys are only jealous...:rolleyes:

'Cept maybe for those happily married... :msn-wink:

[Maha]

'Cept maybe for those happily married... :msn-wink:

This is true Ed...:cool:

[Edbear]

This is true Ed...:cool:

I'm glad I live such an uncomplicated life.

[Maha]

I'm glad I live such an uncomplicated life.

Me n' all...I said to Anne when I first met her that I am a simple bloke...and by that I didn't mean a simpleton :confused: I like the uncomplicated things in life...
Even my phone is only text/talk capable.:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Me n' all...I said to Anne when I first met her that I am a simple bloke...and by that I didn't mean a simpleton...I like the uncomplicated things in life...
Even my phone is only text/talk capable.:rolleyes:

Luddite!




Much the same here though...

[Banditbandit]

I'm glad I live such an uncomplicated life.


Me n' all...I said to Anne when I first met her that I am a simple bloke...and by that I didn't mean a simpleton...I like the uncomplicated things in life...
Even my phone is only text/talk capable.:rolleyes:

It must be our age, or generation - or something - I'm much the same ...



Luddite!



And damm proud if it ...

[FJRider]

Even my phone is only text/talk capable.:rolleyes:

After a few beers ... neither my phone (nor I :doh:) .... are of any capable use ...