Bayride Motorcycles full of it, or what?

[helbnd]

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Can't seem to edit post title so I will put this here for now - I am not attacking Bayride Motorcycles as a business. I apologise to Bayride as that seems to be how this post was interpreted. For all I know, they're amazing. What woun
d me up was that their advertising technique seemed a little dishonest... Unfortunately for Bayride at the time this combined with a few beers provided me with the perfect platform for launching from my soap box to my high horse at full gallop. If a mod could change the post topic to something less inflammatory that would be amazing..

TL;DR Sorry Bayride I dont hate you just the wording of your ads

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Was browsing trademe, as you do and came across an interestingly worded ad for a Yamaha R15... A bit of digging showed the exact wording on the dealer's website

http://www.bayride.co.nz/new-bikes/yamaha-road-bikes/Yamaha-YZF-R150--2013_459/

And Ill paste it here too :


IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW 250cc MOTORCYCLE PLEASE READ THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE.-

This new Yamaha 150 has more horsepower than most 250s. It is only 2 hp less than a new Honda CBR250R and costs THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS LESS !!!!!!!!! Sporty styling, upright seating position, fuel injection. This is very smart buy for a brand new bike !!

With the ability to cruise at 120kmh plus and return an average fuel consumption of around 45kms per litre, the R15 blends performance, reliability and low running costs. It is designed to appeal to riders looking for a practical motorcycle for every day riding that sports R-series trademark sharp looks.

Tech heads are well catered for with a 150cc liquid cooled and fuel injected engine slotting into a Deltabox chassis boasting linked monocross suspension. R15 bristles with state-of-the-art technology also seen on the world’s best supersport bikes, such as a forged aluminium piston running in an all aluminium DiASil cylinder which offers the benefits of light weight, great heat dissipation, less oil consumption and high levels of wear resistance.

Now the last two paragraphs are pulled straight from the Yamaha site, that's cool.. But is it just me or are the first two complete fiction? Last i checked, Yamaha R15 = ~16.8HP and CBR250 = ~23.7HP... a 6.9HP deficit.. NOT 2 as stated..

Is this even legal? Im not looking to buy one, but surely anyone that bought one after reading that spiel would be rather disappointed?

[caspernz]

Meh, no big deal since most bikers with experience tend to shy away from bikes with horsepower ratings that involve a decimal place...let alone only two numbers in front of the decimal point :laugh::drinknsin

[Phantom Limb]

Christ 17Hp!
I wonder if that'll get me off the mark without scootering it for a few meters. :wait:

[Maha]

I had one as a loner for a day or so, it got to 115 ok, but the bike would not be comfortable there for too long...a fun little bike in the tighter stuff if you lock it in 3rd and keep it around 8000 rpm.

[breakaway]

Christ 17Hp!
I wonder if that'll get me off the mark without scootering it for a few meters. :wait:

Only if you push off with both feet upon takeoff

[sidecar bob]

Bayride's management are some of the straightest people I have enjoyed the pleasure of doing business with in both directions.
If you have a problem call Lindsay on 07 5713040 ext 4 & take it up with the man directly.
Im sure you will recieve both a plesant & humble reception from him & this very serious issue will be remidied forthwith.
If it cant wait, post your phn number up & I could have him call you this arvo if you like.
Im sure he would love to discuss the title of this thread with you, if nothing else.

[Billy]

Bayride's management are some of the straightest people I have enjoyed the pleasure of doing business with in both directions.
If you have a problem call Lindsay on 07 5713040 ext 4 & take it up with the man directly.
Im sure you will recieve both a plesant & humble reception from him & this very serious issue will be remidied forthwith.
If it cant wait, post your phn number up & I could have him call you this arvo if you like.
Im sure he would love to discuss the title of this thread with you, if nothing else.

Hahahahahahaha,This is Kiwibiker,That shit is just not gonna happen,Fully agree with you re the genuine folks at Bayride,But expecting a rational approach from a kiwibiker is asking a bit much Bob

[Ender EnZed]

Tell them that their ad is wrong and see if they're any better at fixing it than Colemans.

[bluninja]

Hmmmmm....could be that a dyno test was done (somehwere) and those figures used. Who knows? Incidently the Yam comes in about 92 KW/t and the Honda 109 KW/t on manufacturers figures according to my ginger and thumb calcs.

To OP: Are all the ads misleading, and (in your view) "full of shit"? or just this one? If it's just this one, then I'd say your title was factually incorrect. If however a nearby sewer has burst and flooded the premises..................

[FJRider]

Was browsing trademe, as you do and came across an interestingly worded ad for a Yamaha R15... A bit of digging showed the exact wording on the dealer's website



The misleading advertising does not warrant a libelous comment in public forums.

And the few posts you have made in the two and a half years since joining this site ... has not been enough to warrant any creditable support for your opinion.

[Rhys]

I find McDonald's ads more misleading has anyone ever had their hamburger look like the pictures :no:

[Glowerss]

The misleading advertising does not warrant a libelous comment in public forums.

And the few posts you have made in the two and a half years since joining this site ... has not been enough to warrant any creditable support for your opinion.

+1 to that.

That advertising just seems like the standard "stretching the truth a wee bit" rather then blatantly false. Certainly, it's well below "does anyone really care" standards.

If it bothered you that much, you would have been better off sending them an email pointing out they're stretching the truth a wee bit far.

But lets be honest, does it really fucking matter? 2ponies 6ponies i doubt anyone is going to notice or care about the difference. It's nitpicking at best.

Save it for when it matters.

[bluninja]

I find McDonald's ads more misleading has anyone ever had their hamburger look like the pictures :no:

Never mind the smiling chirpy counter staff with clean pressed well fitting uniforms :laugh:

[bigreddog]

It is worth noting that the New R15 (2013 model called R15D) should not be confused with previous R15's.
The new bike is superior in every aspect.

[nzspokes]

Yamaha R15 = ~16.8HP and CBR250 = ~23.7HP... a 6.9HP deficit..

Thats just sad. My old 83 CBX250rs single had 33hp. <_<

[helbnd]

Bayride's management are some of the straightest people I have enjoyed the pleasure of doing business with in both directions.
If you have a problem call Lindsay on 07 5713040 ext 4 & take it up with the man directly.
Im sure you will recieve both a plesant & humble reception from him & this very serious issue will be remidied forthwith.
If it cant wait, post your phn number up & I could have him call you this arvo if you like.
Im sure he would love to discuss the title of this thread with you, if nothing else.

Yea have emailed them, so hopefully I at least get a response. Private sellers talking crap on trademe is one thing, but when a business that should know better does the same thing it drives me crazy..

[helbnd]

The misleading advertising does not warrant a libelous comment in public forums.

And the few posts you have made in the two and a half years since joining this site ... has not been enough to warrant any creditable support for your opinion.

And i cant seem to change the title? Once sober and less indignant it does seem a bit harsh... If a mod perhaps could edit it to something a little less aggresive? Creative selling techniques maybe?

[FJRider]

And i cant seem to change the title? Once sober and less indignant it does seem a bit harsh... If a mod perhaps could edit it to something a little less aggresive? Creative selling techniques maybe?

Even most Mods cant ... so you're stuck with it. Kick back and enjoy the site.

Have a nice day.

[bogan]

Even most Mods cant ... so you're stuck with it. Kick back and enjoy the site.

Have a nice day.

Sure they can, they just perpetuate the myth they can't cos they are lazy buggers :bleh:

Probably an honest mistake, but still, it sounds like you could go to the ASA on the 'full of shit' violation; so the title isn't completely incorrect, but is a little harsh.

[helbnd]

Ah well hopefully someone can change it.

As a quick update I just received a reply from Chris at Bay ride and he has altered the ad. Thank you Chris for the speedy response and actually fixing it

[FJRider]

Sure they can, they just perpetuate the myth they can't cos they are lazy buggers :bleh:

Probably an honest mistake, but still, it sounds like you could go to the ASA on the 'full of shit' violation; so the title isn't completely incorrect, but is a little harsh.

Constant reminders to one's drunken stupidity makes remembering next time easy.

Calls to question the advertising of the shop would probably lead to an invitation into the shop. That is the first step in getting a customer ... getting them in the shop. Any complaints regarding the content of the advertising ... means the advertising IS being seen and read.

As for the initial complaint and reaction of the OP ... humorous nit-picking ...

Even more humorous was the reaction by other members of this site. Probably more over the top than the OP.

[FJRider]

Ah well hopefully someone can change it.

As a quick update I just received a reply from Chris at Bay ride and he has altered the ad. Thank you Chris for the speedy response and actually fixing it

Can ... and wants to ... are two different things.

[Road kill]

And i cant seem to change the title? Once sober and less indignant it does seem a bit harsh... If a mod perhaps could edit it to something a little less aggresive? Creative selling techniques maybe?

Where's the fun in that ?
Better everybody knows your an uppity little drunk so they know which buttons to push next time.:buggerd:

[Banditbandit]

Last i checked, Yamaha R15 = ~16.8HP and CBR250 = ~23.7HP... a 6.9HP deficit.. NOT 2 as stated..

Is this even legal? Im not looking to buy one, but surely anyone that bought one after reading that spiel would be rather disappointed?

If you are thinking about buying that small .. how expereinced are you and will you be able to tell the difference on the road ???

[FJRider]

If you are thinking about buying that small .. how expereinced are you and will you be able to tell the difference on the road ???

Considering the number of Noobs that driill out the baffles (after posting on here asking how to) ... and then claim another 4-5 HP ... Of course he will ..... silly question really. :shifty: