Boston bombing

[oneofsix]

"The Government" is made up of people, and people are people, not some weird alien race with an agenda.

Most politicians enter politics because they want to change things for the better, to improve the lives of the citizens of the country, not to rape and pillage the rights of people for their own ends. What ends?

Government is two processes - putting in place "stuff" that will grow the economy and improve the lives of its citizens, and on the other hand, reacting - yes it is a reactionary process - to crime and violence in an attempt to curb it for the security of those same citizens.

So if you want to blame someone for the erosion of freedoms, blame those who cause the reaction in the first place. The Government has far better things to spend its time and money on than trying to cope with the stupidity and criminal actions of its citizens.

Also notable is the lack of serious and practical suggestions for doing so by these keyboard warriors.

What a load of twaddle based on the assumption that those that put themselves forward to govern are doing so for the good of everyone in the country. Most are in fact egotistical, lack empathy and/or idealogical and it is up to the people they govern not to just accept without question. Humans have frought long and hard for the right to question those that govern, through kings, priest, lords and oppressive systems. Currently there is a push, using the terrorism as an excuse, to regain control over individuals lives and as much as I hate to say it, Katman is pushing back by questioning what we are told. He may be wrong but he should still have and exercise the right to question.

[Katman]

Currently there is a push, using the terrorism as an excuse, to regain control over individuals lives and as much as I hate to say it, Katman is pushing back by questioning what we are told. He may be wrong but he should still have and exercise the right to question.

Not only is it a basic right to be allowed to question democratic governments but it is also of utmost importance that governments are made acutely aware that not all society is made up of gullible, easily-led fools like Ed.

[Edbear]

Not only is it a basic right to be allowed to question democratic governments but it is also of utmost importance that governments are made acutely aware that not all society is made up of gullible, easily-led fools like Ed.


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oh, the irony, especially in this thread... :weird:

[Katman]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oh, the irony, especially in this thread... :weird:

You wouldn't recognise irony if it fucked you up the arse.

[oneofsix]

Not only is it a basic right to be allowed to question democratic governments but it is also of utmost importance that governments are made acutely aware that not all society is made up of gullible, easily-led fools like Ed.

The Oliver Stone history of the USA last night raised the interesting point that most countries don't know the Western free election, and with that the right to question, system. You may say it is a basic human right but how many actually enjoy it. Questioning authority is a basic human condition but only free western style governments tend to even pay lip service to allowing it. The removal of the freedom to question tends to lead, eventually, to revolution.

[Edbear]

The Oliver Stone history of the USA last night raised the interesting point that most countries don't know the Western free election, and with that the right to question, system. You may say it is a basic human right but how many actually enjoy it. Questioning authority is a basic human condition but only free western style governments tend to even pay lip service to allowing it. The removal of the freedom to question tends to lead, eventually, to revolution.

Watch North Korea...

[oneofsix]

Watch North Korea...

I am, but what about Syria et al

Waht worries me more about our freedoms are cases like this
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8614355/Hackers-conviction-fuels-overreach-claims

Seem a good idea on the surface but it is how far they reach. He took publicly available data and made it more well known, the prosecution should be against AT&T for allowing the data to be publicly available but AT&T are the governments mates and have deep pocket.

Wikileaks is another one that we should be watching.

[Edbear]

I am, but what about Syria et al

Very messy and I can understand the reluctance of the US to get involved. Nobody is going to come out unscathed from that, it'll be another Iraq.

[oneofsix]

Very messy and I can understand the reluctance of the US to get involved. Nobody is going to come out unscathed from that, it'll be another Iraq.

funny you should mention Iraq. Why did they pick on Iraq and not Iran which was more threatening to the USA? Was it because they had already had a bloody nose in Iran?
Gas attacks on citizens was one of the excuses in Iraq so why so slow on Syira? Don't they have oil reserves?
Why did they go into Iraq when North Korea was as big a threat at that stage and they already had a declare war in Korea? N. Korea has since shown it did have the nuclear program raq was accused of. Again no oil? A trade route to China with South Korean factories in North Korea providing an back door source of technology into China perhaps?
You have to keep questioning or before you know it you will be going to die because some nobody of a bastard of a supposed royal was shot in a place you have hardly heard of (WW1 in case you miss it)

[Edbear]

funny you should mention Iraq. Why did they pick on Iraq and not Iran which was more threatening to the USA? Was it because they had already had a bloody nose in Iran?
Gas attacks on citizens was one of the excuses in Iraq so why so slow on Syira? Don't they have oil reserves?
Why did they go into Iraq when North Korea was as big a threat at that stage and they already had a declare war in Korea? N. Korea has since shown it did have the nuclear program raq was accused of. Again no oil? A trade route to China with South Korean factories in North Korea providing an back door source of technology into China perhaps?
You have to keep questioning or before you know it you will be going to die because some nobody of a bastard of a supposed royal was shot in a place you have hardly heard of (WW1 in case you miss it)

The US had to take Saddam out as he was becoming a real problem, not just over oil, but his sadisitc brutality was such that they couldn't ignore him any longer. Similar with Syria.

[oneofsix]

The US had to take Saddam out as he was becoming a real problem, not just over oil, but his sadisitc brutality was such that they couldn't ignore him any longer. Similar with Syria.

Yeah so much more so than the like of Robert Mugabe, and "Our Dear Leader" etc. :laugh:

[gwigs]

The US had to take Saddam out as he was becoming a real problem, not just over oil, but his sadisitc brutality was such that they couldn't ignore him any longer. Similar with Syria.

Dont forget his WMDs....I believe he had millions of pressure cookers..which are WMDs when in the hands of Muslims..
I never realised till now that I had a WMD in my cupboards...

[oneofsix]

Dont forget his WMDs....I believe he had millions of pressure cookers..which are WMDs when in the hands of Muslims..
I never realised till now that I had a WMD in my cupboards...

Gee I thought they had only included pressure cookers as WMDs after they couldn't find any larger WMDs in Sadam's baby food factories

[gwigs]

Tony Blair vindicated after pressure cooker categorised as WMD
http://newsthump.com/2013/04/23/tony-blair-vindicated-after-pressure-cooker-categorised-as-wmd/

[Banditbandit]

funny you should mention Iraq. Why did they pick on Iraq and not Iran which was more threatening to the USA? Was it because they had already had a bloody nose in Iran?



The US had to take Saddam out as he was becoming a real problem, not just over oil, but his sadisitc brutality was such that they couldn't ignore him any longer. Similar with Syria.

yeah .. Geo W had to prove he had bigger balls than his father by killing Saddam Insane ...

[Edbear]

Dont forget his WMDs....I believe he had millions of pressure cookers..which are WMDs when in the hands of Muslims..
I never realised till now that I had a WMD in my cupboards...

I've got a slow cooker and a big stainless pot, but no pressure. I guess I'm safe then. :niceone:


Yeah so much more so than the like of Robert Mugabe, and "Our Dear Leader" etc. :laugh:

Robert Mugabe is a puzzle, I'd like to be the proverbial fly on the wall when they are discussing the African situation.

[oneofsix]

I've got a slow cooker and a big stainless pot, but no pressure. I guess I'm safe then. :niceone:
Same



Robert Mugabe is a puzzle, I'd like to be the proverbial fly on the wall when they are discussing the African situation.

It relatively easy;
1/ He's black in an ex-colonial nation, any interference by the "white" nations will be portrayed as racist
2/ his country has nothing to take. More importantly what it does have they can more easily take whilst he is still in power.

[Edbear]

Same

It relatively easy;
1/ He's black in an ex-colonial nation, any interference by the "white" nations will be portrayed as racist
2/ his country has nothing to take. More importantly what it does have they can more easily take whilst he is still in power.

You may be right there. White despots they can deal to, black one's may open a whole can of worms no-one wants.

[Banditbandit]

Robert Mugabe is a puzzle, I'd like to be the proverbial fly on the wall when they are discussing the African situation.


It relatively easy;
1/ He's black in an ex-colonial nation, any interference by the "white" nations will be portrayed as racist
2/ his country has nothing to take. More importantly what it does have they can more easily take whilst he is still in power.


It's even easier .. Mugabe is insane ... just like many other African dictators ... He may once have been a great man ... but power attracts the corruptible ... and then the corruptible go insane ...

[oneofsix]

It's even easier .. Mugabe is insane ... just like many other African dictators ... He may once have been a great man ... but power attracts the corruptible ... and then the corruptible go insane ...

What Mugbe is is the easy bit, what they are not doing about him and why not at the time they invaded Iraq was the question

[Banditbandit]

What Mugbe is is the easy bit, what they are not doing about him and why not at the time they invaded Iraq was the question

You are assuming that politicians want to give consistent responses (or at least should give consustent responses) ..

I make no such assumptions ...

[oneofsix]

You are assuming that politicians want to give consistent responses (or at least should give consustent responses) ..

I make no such assumptions ...

Nope, not I. But you would have to read back to get he full picture. i was pointing out to Ed that you have to question a governments motives because you can't trust them to be consistent therefore you have to look deeper for the drivers.

[Berries]

Dont forget his WMDs....I believe he had millions of pressure cookers..which are WMDs when in the hands of Muslims..
I never realised till now that I had a WMD in my cupboards...
Notice how Briscoes don't have a sale on at the moment? Something fishy going on there.

[Laava]

<img src="http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-revealed-011.jpg"/>

Holy fuck! If you look at the left hand pic you can see the Briscoes lady in red on her cellphone!
Wonder what she is saying?
"Pressure cookers working as expected, arrange bulk buy and discount the crap outta them!"

[Genestho]

:devil2: This thread needs tags...:eek:

[Laava]

:devil2: This thread needs tags...:eek:

Haha! Red tag specials!

[mashman]

Also notable is the lack of serious and practical suggestions for doing so by these keyboard warriors.

The plan is pretty much ready. I just need a wee wad of money.

[oneofsix]

conspiracy thickens?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8621877/Three-Boston-bombing-suspects-in-custody

[Crasherfromwayback]

conspiracy thickens?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8621877/Three-Boston-bombing-suspects-in-custody

Everyone's getting in on the *act* now eh?

[oldrider]

So many men so many opinions. :rolleyes:

Who benefits is a good question but the answer is not always looking good for US credibility, casting doubt into the back of the mind! :confused:

Even a lie repeated often enough begins to take on the semblance of truth if the mood dictates a desired outcome! :shifty: ... :corn:

[Katman]

The first paragraph of this article is interesting.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-intelligence-report-vulnerability-boston-bombing-20130509,0,7305052.story

Almost like they knew something in advance.

[Katman]

And I know GWB is no Mensa candidate like our Maha but this slip of the tongue is also interesting.

http://www.infowars.com/george-w-bush-suggests-boston-bombings-were-a-conspiracy/

[Laava]

The first paragraph of this article is interesting.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-intelligence-report-vulnerability-boston-bombing-20130509,0,7305052.story

Almost like they knew something in advance.

This crap comes out after all these sorts of events. Surely you were not surprised by it?

And who the fuck will take GWB seriously about anything? He is a grade A clown

[Katman]

This crap comes out after all these sorts of events. Surely you were not surprised by it?



So what do you reckon about the FBI's involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing?

[Laava]

So what do you reckon about the FBI's involvement in the 1993 WTC bombing?
So what is the proven facts about their involvement?

[Maha]

So what is the proven facts about their involvement?

Don't ask the tough questions Al :rolleyes:

[mashman]

So what is the proven facts about their involvement?

They work in the same organisation as the people who trained those who destroyed the building.

[Laava]

C'mon Mashie, you can do better than that! So you are saying that aircraft flight trainers work for the FBI?

[mashman]

C'mon Mashie, you can do better than that! So you are saying that aircraft flight trainers work for the FBI?

Nope. FBI are govt org, as are the CIA. The CIA trained Al Qaeda.

[Katman]

C'mon Mashie, you can do better than that! So you are saying that aircraft flight trainers work for the FBI?

What the fuck have aircraft got to do with it?

I'm talking about the 1993 bombing.

[Laava]

Nope. FBI are govt org, as are the CIA. The CIA trained Al Qaeda.

Not in 1993 tho AFAIK. In fact it would have been many years since that happened no?
You could equally blame the KGB.

[mashman]

Not in 1993 tho AFAIK. In fact it would have been many years since that happened no?
You could equally blame the KGB.

heh. Today I'll mainly be blaming the aliems and their new fangled technology. They should just left us as cave dwellers.

(and practice makes perfect ;))

[Katman]

Am I speaking a foreign language or are you people not very good with numbers?

What part of '1993' don't you understand?

[gwigs]

Am I speaking a foreign language or are you people not very good with numbers?

What part of '1993' don't you understand?

Yep I know what you are talking about...there was a bomb in a van that exploded in the basement of the WTC.

[Laava]

Am I speaking a foreign language or are you people not very good with numbers?

What part of '1993' don't you understand?

Oooh! Was the answer, chopped liver?
So what you are getting at then is that the FBI endorsed the basement bombing?

[Katman]

So what you are getting at then is that the FBI endorsed the basement bombing?

Looks that way.

[Laava]

Aand then they topped Princess Dianna?
Serious question. Do you still think, in light of all the discussion on here, that the FBI or CIA or some new acronym organised the Boston bombings?
Sorry to go back on topic.

[Berries]

Aand then they topped Princess Dianna?
That was the Irish.

[Katman]

Serious question. Do you still think, in light of all the discussion on here, that the FBI or CIA or some new acronym organised the Boston bombings?
Sorry to go back on topic.

I believe there's a distinct possibility that they had a part to play in it.

[Laava]

I believe there's a distinct possibility that they had a part to play in it.

Just a hunch?
Not taking the piss but there is not much in the way of proof for this theory is there?
Edit, Ooh, 300 posts!

[mashman]

Just a hunch?
Not taking the piss but there is not much in the way of proof for this theory is there?
Edit, Ooh, 300 posts!

Where's the proof for the theory that the guys that were shot/caught were responsible for the bombing? Oh, hang on, I know the answer to this. It comes from those who are to be believed without question.

[Laava]

Where's the proof for the theory that the guys that were shot/caught were responsible for the bombing? Oh, hang on, I know the answer to this. It comes from those who are to be believed without question.

So what is YOUR theory then? Assuming you have one.

[Maha]

So what is YOUR theory then? Assuming you have one.

Anyone who subscribes to a conspiracy theory does not have to justify their wayward thinking. Apparently, it's up the level headed amongst us to prove them wrong.

[Edbear]

Anyone who subscribes to a conspiracy theory does not have to justify their wayward thinking. Apparently, it's up the level headed amongst us to prove them wrong.

They are beyond help, I'm afraid... :no:

[mashman]

So what is YOUR theory then? Assuming you have one.

MY theory is that if I were heading up whichever organisation runs the world, you'd all be zombies by now. MY theory is that some people will go to any lengths to stimulate an economy. MY theory is that there are people who will do anything that they are told to do. MY theory is that should I have know that the finish line was under threat, I would have lined it with undercover officers looking for people who have left bags behind. I'm pretty sure you would have done similar. MY theory is that terror is good for business, good for keeping people down, good for getting more budget for security, good for justifying unreasonable measures taken by govts and those who guide them. As I said before. If I were in charge of such decisions and my goal was to keep keep you all in line, you would all be chipped by now. So MY theory is, terror is good for business and in certain cases I believe that that terror is allowed to happen.

If you're asking who I blame directly. Then I blame everyone that promotes an environment where these sorts of things take place under the name of freedom. Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Anyone who subscribes to a conspiracy theory does not have to justify their wayward thinking. Apparently, it's up the level headed amongst us to prove them wrong.

Well, where's your proof?


They are beyond help, I'm afraid... :no:

:killingme

[Edbear]

MY theory is that if I were heading up whichever organisation runs the world, you'd all be zombies by now. MY theory is that some people will go to any lengths to stimulate an economy. MY theory is that there are people who will do anything that they are told to do. MY theory is that should I have know that the finish line was under threat, I would have lined it with undercover officers looking for people who have left bags behind. I'm pretty sure you would have done similar. MY theory is that terror is good for business, good for keeping people down, good for getting more budget for security, good for justifying unreasonable measures taken by govts and those who guide them. As I said before. If I were in charge of such decisions and my goal was to keep keep you all in line, you would all be chipped by now. So MY theory is, terror is good for business and in certain cases I believe that that terror is allowed to happen.

If you're asking who I blame directly. Then I blame everyone that promotes an environment where these sorts of things take place under the name of freedom. Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



Well, where's your proof?

:killingme

Conspiracy theorists do not accept contrary evidence as proof. Every theory of 9/11 has been debunked but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorist from firmly believing it was a US Govt. job.

As I have said, I spent months investigating all aspects of the incident to see if there may be any truth in the conspiracy theory.

Even in this thread, so many points have been proven wrong about the Boston bombing but what difference has it made to the gullible?

[Katman]

Even in this thread, so many points have been proven wrong about the Boston bombing but what difference has it made to the gullible?

Ed, the definition of gullible is believing everything you're told without question - regardless of how many questions there may be that beg answering.

[mashman]

Conspiracy theorists do not accept contrary evidence as proof. Every theory of 9/11 has been debunked but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorist from firmly believing it was a US Govt. job.

As I have said, I spent months investigating all aspects of the incident to see if there may be any truth in the conspiracy theory.

Even in this thread, so many points have been proven wrong about the Boston bombing but what difference has it made to the gullible?

What you're saying is that anything other than the official story is a conspiracy. Contrary evidence and plausible explanations i.e. why was the finish line area not lined with undercover police looking for discarded items, are valid. They are questions that must be asked and must receive satisfactory answers.

You have not answered any question put to you without any doubt. You have done nothing but retreat behind the conspiracy banner which is typical of those who don't actually have any answers, yet espouse the official story as lore and call others gullible irrespective of their point of view and/or their reasons for that point of view. Quite funny really.

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=Edbear;1130546856] . Every theory of 9/11 has been debunked


Oh really ,not as far as I,m concerned ...too many unanswered questions.
I recommend you watch some of the docos on the subject...
Farenheit 911
Loose Change 911
heres a couple that might get you thinking..

[oneofsix]

I see the conspiracy theorists are shifting their ground. Instead of the offical story is all bullshit and it was a government plot they now want proof that the official story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. :laugh: Seems the total plot conspiracy theory is leaking. Anyone that believes the official story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth is as gullible as those that believed the original conspiracy line and still believe 9/11 was all conspiracy and that the moon landings didn't happen.

[Katman]

As I have said, I spent months investigating all aspects of the incident to see if there may be any truth in the conspiracy theory.



Is your investigation more qualified than all these structural engineers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

[Edbear]

[QUOTE=Edbear;1130546856] . Every theory of 9/11 has been debunked


Oh really ,not as far as I,m concerned ...too many unanswered questions.
I recommend you watch some of the docos on the subject...
Farenheit 911
Loose Change 911
heres a couple that might get you thinking..


Is your investigation more qualified than all these structural engineers?

[url]

I said, I spent months on it. I have seen all the videos, all the documentaries, all the official and unofficial comments. Nothing you can post I will not have seen and investigated from all sides and angles. I suggest for a start, you Google "9/11 debunked" and go from there.

[Katman]

I said, I spent months on it. I have seen all the videos, all the documentaries, all the official and unofficial comments. Nothing you can post I will not have seen and investigated from all sides and angles. I suggest for a start, you Google "9/11 debunked" and go from there.

So your opinion is more qualified than all those structural engineering experts?

What exactly are your structural engineering qualifications Ed?

[Edbear]

So your opinion is more qualified than all those structural engineering experts?

Look, I know you're as thick as two short planks, :weird: but to put it as simply as I can, my opinion is based on all the evidence for and against. It's what is called personal research. You know, getting together all the expert and qualified evidence available and doing something foreign to many here... Reading it! :rolleyes:

[Katman]

Look, I know you're as thick as two short planks, :weird: but to put it as simply as I can, my opinion is based on all the evidence for and against. It's what is called personal research. You know, getting together all the expert and qualified evidence available and doing something foreign to many here... Reading it! :rolleyes:

So all those other experts are wrong but you're right?

You're an incredibly stupid man Ed.

[Edbear]

So all those other experts are wrong but you're right?

You're an incredibly stupid man Ed.

Once again you prove me right about you... :stupid: :facepalm:

[Maha]

Well, where's your proof?



This thread is proof enough and substantiates what I said.

[Katman]

This thread is proof enough and substantiates what I said.

So you've got nothing then?

You become more like Ed every day.

[Maha]

So you've got nothing then?

Why would I? I am not the one who started a thread questioning the validity of a bombing event by adding their own spin on it. Then try to turn it over to when the anaemic argument fails.....Next :rolleyes:

[Katman]

Why would I? I am not the one who started a thread questioning the validity of a bombing event by adding their own spin on it. Then try to turn it over to when the anaemic argument fails.....Next :rolleyes:

It always amuses me the vehemence that many show towards the questioning of an official story.

Is it the thinking that scares you Mark?

Perhaps you should stick to threads that are closer matched to your level of intellect - if you know what I mean.

[oneofsix]

It always amuses me the vehemence that many show towards the questioning of an official story.

Is it the thinking that scares you Mark?

Perhaps you should stick to threads that are closer matched to your level of intellect - if you know what I mean.

yeah stay away from these dumb ones :laugh:

[Katman]

yeah stay away from these dumb ones :laugh:

But you can't, can you?

It's like that little itch you can't stop scratching.

[oneofsix]

But you can't, can you?

It's like that little itch you can't stop scratching.

True, :( Too much fodder for comment from both sides. :clap:

[mashman]

This thread is proof enough and substantiates what I said.

Only for you.

[Maha]

Only for you.

Ultimately, that's all that matters.. from this end.
You and Katman have absolutely no proof the bombing was anything but real. Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...you both have failed to convince anyone to the contrary.
Those of us that do not conform to your view on the matter, can only sit and ponder as to when you'll finally realise at how humiliating it is now looking.

[Katman]

Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...

What a ridiculous statement Mark.

Are you saying that the prosecution argument is always right and the defence argument is always wrong?

You'd make a fucking useless juror.

[avgas]

So your opinion is more qualified than all those structural engineering experts?
What exactly are your structural engineering qualifications Ed?
I have major unanswered questions about 911 when it comes to the collapse of buildings. As do many of my colleagues.
But being qualified doesn't mean you don't get shot.

Too many engineers have disappeared off the face of the earth for less. Too many have been discredited for less. So becoming a tinfoil hat wearer isn't an option.

We just go home and pray that we are wrong.

But if you want to truth - ask the engineer who built that brick shithouse if it should have collapsed like that. Or ask a demo expert if they could land a building that perfectly.
If they are wise, they will ignore your question - go home and hug their family. I do.

[Maha]

What a ridiculous statement Mark.

Are you saying that the prosecution argument is always right and the defence argument is always wrong?

You'd make a fucking useless juror.

Not say that at all, what I am saying is you and your wingman have a laughable viewpoint on the subject matter . A laughable viewpoint that was dreamed up via a few photos in the internet. Would they (the photos) sway a jury up in a court? I doubt it.

[oneofsix]

I have major unanswered questions about 911 when it comes to the collapse of buildings. As do many of my colleagues.
But being qualified doesn't mean you don't get shot.

Too many engineers have disappeared off the face of the earth for less. Too many have been discredited for less. So becoming a tinfoil hat wearer isn't an option.

We just go home and pray that we are wrong.

But if you want to truth - ask the engineer who built that brick shithouse if it should have collapsed like that. Or ask a demo expert if they could land a building that perfectly.
If they are wise, they will ignore your question - go home and hug their family. I do.

I've seen many explanations as to why those main buildings collapsed the way they did, as I suspect you and Ed have. Mainly around the age of the design (that's how I some it up) and quantity of gas on board. Trouble is it is hard to get all the facts and nothing but them. More interesting to my mind is the Pentagon, seen some interesting explanations of the disappearing plane wreckage.

[Katman]

I've seen many explanations as to why those main buildings collapsed the way they did, as I suspect you and Ed have. Mainly around the age of the design (that's how I some it up) and quantity of gas on board.

The building I've been referring to was Building 7.

No plane hit that building.

It supposedly collapsed due to a few localised fires from burning office debris.

You should watch the video I linked to in post #311.

[mashman]

Ultimately, that's all that matters.. from this end.
You and Katman have absolutely no proof the bombing was anything but real. Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...you both have failed to convince anyone to the contrary.
Those of us that do not conform to your view on the matter, can only sit and ponder as to when you'll finally realise at how humiliating it is now looking.

Very true, it is all that matters. They bank on that being the only thing that matters.
Neither do you other than a story from a govt of suspicious character from my end. My opinion takes into account more things than just a photo, but don't let that stop you from getting your foot out of the door. It's not my job to convince anyone and that statement is a might tad ironic given your opener.
:killingme... not asking anyone to conform, I don't crave the same uniformity that you seem to... and when you finally realise how far away from the mark you are in regards to why I have the suspicions (not belief) over certain disasters, which I doubt you ever will as it seems to be beyond your grasp, but just in case you do make that radical leap and attain rational thought, you'll see how ridiculous pointing the finger and laughing at someone that you have decided is humiliating themselves actually is. Til then, please carry on from your position of authority, it gets me all tingly.

[jonbuoy]

Ultimately, that's all that matters.. from this end.
You and Katman have absolutely no proof the bombing was anything but real. Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...you both have failed to convince anyone to the contrary.
Those of us that do not conform to your view on the matter, can only sit and ponder as to when you'll finally realise at how humiliating it is now looking.

Some people seem to get off on arguing - bait the hook with a controversial subject, make derogatory remarks at the fish that bite - sit back with one hand down your pants and the other on the keyboard. In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk :sick:

[Maha]

In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk :sick:

Now there's a worthy thread.....:eek:
But please, no photos!!!! :rolleyes:

[mashman]

Some people seem to get off on arguing - bait the hook with a controversial subject, make derogatory remarks at the fish that bite - sit back with one hand down your pants and the other on the keyboard. In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk :sick:

:killingme... I'm far from getting off on it, quite the opposite. TPTB thrive on your dismissal of those who would question, with valid reasons (I've yet to hear why the cops weren't surrounding the area given that a bomb threat had been made), the official story. Now if I may draw your attention to the word "question", you may start to understand why I am "arguing" :facepalm:.

[mashman]

Now there's a worthy thread.....:eek:
But please, no photos!!!! :rolleyes:

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[PrincessBandit]

It would be very nice if we could completely trust TPTB to give us full and correctly-informed information about what is happening, especially when it impacts significantly on our perception of safety in the big wide world. Sadly the cynical response has developed from a long history of cover-ups, misinformation and deliberate arse-covering tactics by those we elect to supposedly "take care of us" (nice namby-pamby term for early Friday morning).

Long gone are the days when the general public can rely trustingly on what they're fed by TPTB through the media; it's important that there are those who question, provoke and investigate. If nothing else it should encourage open minded thinking. Whether you agree with what you hear, after doing your own investigating, is entirely up to you.

Of course the popular NZ emotional and intellectual status is apathy, so we are our own worst enemies with our "meh, why should I care" mindset.


(I love gross generalisations; they're so annoying).

[Edbear]

It would be very nice if we could completely trust TPTB to give us full and correctly-informed information about what is happening, especially when it impacts significantly on our perception of safety in the big wide world. Sadly the cynical response has developed from a long history of cover-ups, misinformation and deliberate arse-covering tactics by those we elect to supposedly "take care of us" (nice namby-pamby term for early Friday morning).

Long gone are the days when the general public can rely trustingly on what they're fed by TPTB through the media; it's important that there are those who question, provoke and investigate. If nothing else it should encourage open minded thinking. Whether you agree with what you hear, after doing your own investigating, is entirely up to you.

Of course the popular NZ emotional and intellectual status is apathy, so we are our own worst enemies with our "meh, why should I care" mindset.


(I love gross generalisations; they're so annoying).

It is more a case of what the media feeds us than what TPTB do. Virtually every time the media reports something significant, or even insignificant, it is biased towards sensationlism and sound-bytes and bears little resemblamce to the truth. It takes sometimes days, weeks, or even months before the true story is known.

I am very skeptical of the media and always reserve judgment until the facts are revealed. Unfortunately, as with conspiracy theorists, too many are ready to believe the media with knee-jerk reactions where any criticism of TPTB are presented.

The facts are coming to light in this case, and so far we've been able to dispute the conspiracy theories and will continue to be able to do so.

As for not being there, how many cops would be needed to respond in advance to every bomb threat or suggestion? They are the meat in the sandwich and will never be able to please.

[Katman]

It is more a case of what the media feeds us than what TPTB do.

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

[Laava]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

[Edbear]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.


Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

:rolleyes:...

[Katman]

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

Certainly not from mainstream media.

[gwigs]

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

From people who ask questions and are not prepared to take what is told to them by TPTB
as absolute truth...People prepared to look a little deeper than what appears to be on the surface..

[oneofsix]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

True, but often not Governments. A good conspiracy theory should blame the obvious target of the government itself. It has to be the like of Northrop, tied in with Fox all being manipulated by some mystery group containing the likes of the Rockafellas or Morgans. :msn-wink:

[oneofsix]

From people who ask questions and are not prepared to take what is told to them by TPTB
as absolute truth...People prepared to look a little deeper than what appears to be on the surface..

Asking questions of what is told by TPTB is one thing, conspiracy theories require a level of fiction writing imagination. No one should accept anything they are told without question, a three year old knows this hence the why phase, but a good conspiracy requires the ability to bend and or ignore information to provide an alternative answer. I reckon a lot of the conspiracy theories are created by TPTB to keep you from asking the right questions.

[Laava]

Certainly not from mainstream media.

So you didn,t get your outrageous photo theories ( remember, right at the start of this thread?) about actors and people pouring blood on the street ( totally unproven and in fact totally wrong) from the internet then. So where did you get this information?

[mashman]

bluster

As for not being there, how many cops would be needed to respond in advance to every bomb threat or suggestion? They are the meat in the sandwich and will never be able to please.

They had the manpower to shut down a city to find these guys... and there are always plenty of Police at these events. How hard is it to walk along a path and look for discarded bags?

[scumdog]

They had the manpower to shut down a city to find these guys... and there are always plenty of Police at these events. How hard is it to walk along a path and look for discarded bags?

So, how come YOU ain't running things eh? - how hard can it be??:bleh:

[Edbear]

They had the manpower to shut down a city to find these guys... and there are always plenty of Police at these events. How hard is it to walk along a path and look for discarded bags?

Nowadays they are always on the lookout.

They can't shut down a city every time someone makes a threat or there is a suggestion of crime.

[mashman]

Asking questions of what is told by TPTB is one thing, conspiracy theories require a level of fiction writing imagination. No one should accept anything they are told without question, a three year old knows this hence the why phase, but a good conspiracy requires the ability to bend and or ignore information to provide an alternative answer. I reckon a lot of the conspiracy theories are created by TPTB to keep you from asking the right questions.

A level of possibility is all that is required. A good conspiracy is one that is out in the open. You start by telling the truth and then let it dilute from there. ;)

[mashman]

So, how come YOU ain't running things eh? - how hard can it be??:bleh:

Coz currently I'd turn you all into my biotches... so I'll wait for NOW (heh) thanks. It isn't hard at all.


Nowadays they are always on the lookout.

They can't shut down a city every time someone makes a threat or there is a suggestion of crime.

They are.

Oh dear. Yet they can shut the place down after the fact? A little bit of planning could have seen those bodies in the street on the lookout. It may even have been enough of a deterrent and that guy in the photo's who had just had the flesh ripped from his legs and was being ignored by those able bodies people around him mightn't have had to lose his legs.

If there had have been a bomb threat and you had to respond to it, wouldn't you have put the "emergency services" in plain clothes to look for suspicious items? After all, these people are paid to do that very job.

[scumdog]

This thread has a lot of '20-20 hindsight' experts - about the norm for KB...:rolleyes:

The 'would-coulda-shoulda' brigade.

[mashman]

This thread has a lot of '20-20 hindsight' experts - about the norm for KB...:rolleyes:

The 'would-coulda-shoulda' brigade.

:killingme given that the authorities had 5 days notice that this might happen and seem to have done the bare minimum. I assume you would have made as little effort as was needed to?

[Katman]

So you didn,t get your outrageous photo theories ( remember, right at the start of this thread?) about actors and people pouring blood on the street ( totally unproven and in fact totally wrong) from the internet then. So where did you get this information?

Dude, they're not my theories.

I just consider them theories that warrant some thought and investigation.

And by 'mainstream media' I'm referring to your 6 o'clock news (the CNNs and the CBSs) and your broadsheet newspapers. (But I'm sure you're smart enough to have actually figured that out for yourself).

[Katman]

The facts are coming to light in this case, and so far we've been able to dispute the conspiracy theories and will continue to be able to do so.

Ok Ed, here's one that's got me puzzled.

Take a look at this picture....

http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0095/47679_article_full/this-is-reportedly-31-year-old-nicole-gross-from-charlotte-nc.jpg?174

Do you have an answer to why, when her sleeve has been peppered by shrapnel, there is no sign whatsoever of damage to the skin on her arm?

[Edbear]

Ok Ed, here's one that's got me puzzled.

Take a look at this picture....

http://media.theweek.com/img/dir_0095/47679_article_full/this-is-reportedly-31-year-old-nicole-gross-from-charlotte-nc.jpg?174

Do you have an answer to why, when her sleeve has been peppered by shrapnel, there is no sign whatsoever of damage to the skin on her arm?

She was in a bomb blast, why did some come out of it with no injuries at all? And you don't know that there were no injuries to her arm. There is no rhyme or reason for the effects of a bomb. They kill and maim some and others escape with minor or even no injuries.

The FACT is there were two bomb blasts that killed three people! They don't need actors! It was real!

[Katman]

She was in a bomb blast, why did some come out of it with no injuries at all? And you don't know that there were no injuries to her arm. There is no rhyme or reason for the effects of a bomb. They kill and maim some and others escape with minor or even no injuries.

The FACT is there were two bomb blasts that killed three people! They don't need actors! It was real!

That's not a very good answer Ed.

(Unless you actually meant "I don't have an answer" - in which case, I'd thank you for your honesty).

[Laava]

Dude, they're not my theories.

I just consider them theories that warrant some thought and investigation.

And by 'mainstream media' I'm referring to your 6 o'clock news (the CNNs and the CBSs) and your broadsheet newspapers. (But I'm sure you're smart enough to have actually figured that out for yourself).

You didn't answer the question tho. Where did you get your information on this bombing hoax from? Was it the internet? The internet is mainstream media as far as I am concerned.

[Edbear]

That's not a very good answer Ed.

(Unless you actually meant "I don't have an answer" - in which case, I'd thank you for your honesty).

Not surprising, the plain and simple truth never works with you. :doh:

[Laava]

From people who ask questions and are not prepared to take what is told to them by TPTB
as absolute truth...People prepared to look a little deeper than what appears to be on the surface..

I agree totally. I didn't believe George Dubya when he said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, I sure as shit don't believe Obama when he says the same about Syria but there is no way I am going to believe Katman when he says that the FBI or similar blew up a bunch of runners.
See my point?

[gwigs]

I agree totally. I didn't believe George Dubya when he said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, I sure as shit don't believe Obama when he says the same about Syria but there is no way I am going to believe Katman when he says that the FBI or similar blew up a bunch of runners.
See my point?

I dont believe Katman has said that the FBI blew up runners,he,s just looking for answers to lots of unanswered questions...

[Katman]

I agree totally. I didn't believe George Dubya when he said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, I sure as shit don't believe Obama when he says the same about Syria but there is no way I am going to believe Katman when he says that the FBI or similar blew up a bunch of runners.
See my point?

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't be allowed to ask questions of things that they find puzzling?

That would be a very sad indictment on your degree of indoctrination.

[Katman]

The internet is mainstream media as far as I am concerned.

The recognised news agencies (internet included) are my definition of mainstream media.

The beauty of the internet is that now alternative theories have the ability to be aired.

[scumdog]

The internet is mainstream media as far as I am concerned.

You give it too much credit...<_<

[scumdog]

:killingme given that the authorities had 5 days notice that this might happen and seem to have done the bare minimum.

Good reliable info was it??????<_<

[mashman]

Good reliable info was it??????<_<

You're willing to take that chance with people's lives? :tugger:... why bother having police at any event?

[scumdog]

You're willing to take that chance with people's lives? :tugger:... why bother having police at any event?

Wrong end of the stick - So YOU know 100% that the info you have on this '5-day' & 'no action' is accurate??

[Katman]

Good reliable info was it??????<_<

"Five days before two bombs tore through crowds at the Boston Marathon, an intelligence report identified the finish line of the race as an "area of increased vulnerability" and warned Boston police that extremists may use "small scale bombings" to attack spectators and runners at the event.

The 18-page report was written by the Boston Regional Intelligence Center, a command center funded in part by the Department of Homeland Security that helps disseminate intelligence information to local police and first responders".

I suppose that depends on how intelligent you think the Boston Regional Intelligence Center is.

[Edbear]

"Five days before two bombs tore through crowds at the Boston Marathon, an intelligence report identified the finish line of the race as an "area of increased vulnerability" and warned Boston police that extremists may use "small scale bombings" to attack spectators and runners at the event.

The 18-page report was written by the Boston Regional Intelligence Center, a command center funded in part by the Department of Homeland Security that helps disseminate intelligence information to local police and first responders".

I suppose that depends on how intelligent you think the Boston Regional Intelligence Center is.

Now find an official quote of what the Police did about it.

[Katman]

Now find an official quote of what the Police did about it.

Clearly they didn't do enough about it.

[scumdog]

Clearly they didn't do enough about it.

'20-20 hindsight' is the term that comes to mind here.....again.:shifty:

[Katman]

Here's another interesting article talking about a 'controlled demolition across from the library'.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/boston-marathon-bombing-happened-on-same-day-as-controlled-explosion-drill-by-boston-bomb-squad/5331505

The Boston Library is directly across the road from where the photos of the explosion posted at the start of this thread where taken.

[Edbear]

Clearly they didn't do enough about it.

Are you really that thick? Ask that question of any terrorist attack or any such incident anywhere! Nobody will ever do enough! To insinuate there was a conspiracy by the Police in this is despicable!

[Katman]

Are you really that thick? Ask that question of any terrorist attack or any such incident anywhere! Nobody will ever do enough! To insinuate there was a conspiracy by the Police in this is despicable!

Read the article posted above Ed.

[Edbear]

Read the article posted above Ed.

A load of crap by a highly questionable and biased site! If you can't see through that you are as I opined, beyond all help!

[Katman]

A load of crap by a highly questionable and biased site! If you can't see through that you are as I opined, beyond all help!

So anything that doesn't agree exactly with your version of events is highly questionable and biased?

That's not very open minded of you Ed.

[scumdog]

So anything that doesn't agree exactly with your version of events is highly questionable and biased?

And does the converse apply K-man?:scratch:

(i.e:Everything that you read that agrees with your version of events must be true?)

[Katman]

(i.e:Everything that you read that agrees with your version of events must be true?)

I haven't said that at all.

I'm just asking questions.

[scumdog]

I haven't said that at all.

I'm just asking questions.

Snap.

So am I!

[Katman]

Another thing that puzzles me (if anyone's prepared to indulge me by going back to the link in post #1) is that in the 7th photo down we see Mr Hoodie and Sunglasses reclining on one elbow and beside him we see the black woman with the red jacket.

In the next photo down we see the guy missing his legs lying next to Mr Hoodie and Sunglasses. Where has the black woman gone?

In the next photo down, there she is being wheeled away on a stretcher while presumably everyone's still plucking up the courage to deal with the double amputee situation.

To add insult to injury, this guy then gets taken away in a wheelchair rather than a stretcher. My limited knowledge of first aid would suggest to me that elevating the guys legs would have been considerably more sensible than having them dangle from a wheelchair.

Is it only me that finds this odd?

[mashman]

Wrong end of the stick - So YOU know 100% that the info you have on this '5-day' & 'no action' is accurate??

Your extending your criteria there... fair enough. Yes it was reported that the FBI had had 5 days warning that there would be an "attack" at the finish line of the Boston marathon. I did not say that no action was taken, merely pointed out that I would have done more. Yes, me. Without all of my experience I would have dragged the bodies in to walk the area looking for bags being left lying around.

[Laava]

Another thing that puzzles me (if anyone's prepared to indulge me by going back to the link in post #1) is that in the 7th photo down we see Mr Hoodie and Sunglasses reclining on one elbow and beside him we see the black woman with the red jacket.

In the next photo down we see the guy missing his legs lying next to Mr Hoodie and Sunglasses. Where has the black woman gone?

In the next photo down, there she is being wheeled away on a stretcher while presumably everyone's still plucking up the courage to deal with the double amputee situation.

To add insult to injury, this guy then gets taken away in a wheelchair rather than a stretcher. My limited knowledge of first aid would suggest to me that elevating the guys legs would have been considerably more sensible than having them dangle from a wheelchair.

Is it only me that finds this odd?
I think what happened was a bomb went off shredding everyone in it's path and chaos ensued. People were running around like chooks with their heads cut off, some of them injured beyond their own recognition. Nobody would have been wondering why some woman with a lacerated cardy wasn't bleeding like a stuck pig, nobody would have been emptying bottles of fake blood on the ground, and their would have been some shockingly bad triage decisions made. Which nobody that was actually there would even think to question.
To suggest that it was a madeup scene with actors and pretend amputations etc with NO witnesses is, quite frankly, insulting to all those involved. I am over this ridiculous trolling, good one Katman!

[Katman]

To suggest that it was a madeup scene with actors and pretend amputations etc with NO witnesses is, quite frankly, insulting to all those involved.

You should head over to the 'What's your sickest joke' thread.

There's been a number of tragedies from around the world that could use your indignation.

[Banditbandit]

I haven't said that at all.

I'm just asking questions.


Snap.

So am I!

Children Children ... play nice now ...

[Laava]

Oh so it's all been just a joke. Now I get it. Lame!

[Katman]

People were running around like chooks with their heads cut off,

For a number of seconds, two apparently 'very lightly' injured people were crouched over a double amputee doing anything but.

[Katman]

How convenient.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/05/board_drops_bid_for_bomb_victims_info

[scumdog]

How convenient.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/05/board_drops_bid_for_bomb_victims_info

Oooh, MORE conspiracy...:msn-wink:

[mashman]

Oooh, MORE conspiracy...:msn-wink:

You want a conspiracy. Hypothesis: You and your group run the world. You know that you need to keep the people in check so that you can carry on living the way you do. It's no mean feat with 7 billion people, so how do you do it. Well fear seems to be the ultimate tool. You've pretty much got most of it sewn up with the employment slavery racquet, but some people just don't like you taking their resources and will defend what they class is theirs. How to manage them. Pay someone within their organisation very well to do your bidding. You won't be the bitch, you just need to sew the seeds. We need an excuse to pump more money into the economy and to justify the defense budget. I'll talk to my terrorist friend and suggest that we take out the WTC. I will arrange for their people to come to the US and will pay for them to be trained at pilot school. Because they will die for their cause no one will know who knows who and where the original order came from, they will train and then smash a couple of planes into some buildings. the rest will take care of itself.

Yours Sincerely

Ruler of the world. Gotta go, I've got a marathon to bomb and a budget to fleece.

[Edbear]

You want a conspiracy. Hypothesis: You and your group run the world. You know that you need to keep the people in check so that you can carry on living the way you do. It's no mean feat with 7 billion people, so how do you do it. Well fear seems to be the ultimate tool. You've pretty much got most of it sewn up with the employment slavery racquet, but some people just don't like you taking their resources and will defend what they class is theirs. How to manage them. Pay someone within their organisation very well to do your bidding. You won't be the bitch, you just need to sew the seeds. We need an excuse to pump more money into the economy and to justify the defense budget. I'll talk to my terrorist friend and suggest that we take out the WTC. I will arrange for their people to come to the US and will pay for them to be trained at pilot school. Because they will die for their cause no one will know who knows who and where the original order came from, they will train and then smash a couple of planes into some buildings. the rest will take care of itself.

Yours Sincerely

Ruler of the world. Gotta go, I've got a marathon to bomb and a budget to fleece.

The hypothesis is seriously flawed and falls down on your opening statement. There is no "You and your group" ruling this world.

That is the ultimate conspiracy theory. You should read your avatar...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yours Sincerely

Ruler of the world. Gotta go, I've got a marathon to bomb and a budget to fleece.

Then can you tell me why BOTH of the bombers weren't actually killed? You know...like the pilots they trained...so they can't speak?

[Edbear]

Then can you tell me why BOTH of the bombers weren't actually killed? You know...like the pilots they trained...so they can't speak?

And the others who tried to help them get away and hide the evidence...

[mashman]

The hypothesis is seriously flawed and falls down on your opening statement. There is no "You and your group" ruling this world.

That is the ultimate conspiracy theory. You should read your avatar...

:rofl: of course there is. Any and every ogranisation needs a structure within which to carry out its business. Whoever has the money and the ear of the govts (note I said ear, not control) then they have the power to control the world. That's a FACT jack.

Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838: "Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".

Did you think that was just a meme that some geezer from the 19th century came out with? If so, why did presidents of the US fight against these guys and create lots of anti-Amsel type meme's of their own?

I did read my avatar, seems like you misunderstand it as well as most other things.

[mashman]

Then can you tell me why BOTH of the bombers weren't actually killed? You know...like the pilots they trained...so they can't speak?

Why would I need to kill them? They were fucked the moment they volunteered. And who is going to believe a terrorist?

[Katman]

...so they can't speak?

Yes, I wonder how his throat wound is coming on. :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why would I need to kill them? They were fucked the moment they volunteered. And who is going to believe a terrorist?

Well obviously all of the *intelligent* folk anyway.


Yes, I wonder how his throat wound is coming on. :whistle:

Yeah soon as I'd posted I wondered how long that'd take! Self inflicted too ya know...

[mashman]

Well obviously all of the *intelligent* folk anyway.

What has intelligence got to do with anything? If you believe that you are fighting for a cause, then you can be the smartest fucker on the planet or indeed the dumbest fucker on the planet, but you'll still be fighting for the same thing.

[scumdog]

You want a conspiracy. Hypothesis: You and your group run the world. You know that you need to keep the people in check so that you can carry on living the way you do. It's no mean feat with 7 billion people, so how do you do it. Well fear seems to be the ultimate tool. You've pretty much got most of it sewn up with the employment slavery racquet, but some people just don't like you taking their resources and will defend what they class is theirs. How to manage them. Pay someone within their organisation very well to do your bidding. You won't be the bitch, you just need to sew the seeds. We need an excuse to pump more money into the economy and to justify the defense budget. I'll talk to my terrorist friend and suggest that we take out the WTC. I will arrange for their people to come to the US and will pay for them to be trained at pilot school. Because they will die for their cause no one will know who knows who and where the original order came from, they will train and then smash a couple of planes into some buildings. the rest will take care of itself.

Yours Sincerely

Ruler of the world. Gotta go, I've got a marathon to bomb and a budget to fleece.

:rolleyes::no:

[avgas]

I've seen many explanations as to why those main buildings collapsed the way they did, as I suspect you and Ed have. Mainly around the age of the design (that's how I some it up) and quantity of gas on board. Trouble is it is hard to get all the facts and nothing but them. More interesting to my mind is the Pentagon, seen some interesting explanations of the disappearing plane wreckage.
Any Jenga champion will tell you that if you take to many blocks out of the middle, the top falls to the weakest side.
Any woodsman will tell you that you need to force tree to fall away from you.
Any demo expert will tell you that if you collapse a building within a radius of 1/3 of its height - it's a job well done (towers were better than that).
Any structural engineer will tell you that solid steel I beams loose structural integrity at 900 degc and dissolve a 1300 deg C. But also cool faster as well (which is why I is good and box not so good).
Any physics major would calculate the rate at which a weight would fall before the potential energy of a impact would melt steel is significant.

All of them will say nothing when it comes to 911 if they are smart. Not only could you lose your accreditation - you could lose your life on that one. People have disappeared for less.

Doesn't have to be at that level also. Can be on a much smaller scale. How many NZ tunnelling specialists were at the trial of Pike River? I can tell you that Solid energy has 4, and even Pike had 5 employed in the years prior. All the pike ones left before it happened. They all probably still curse under their breath.
It is career suicide to talk out about things that get covered up - best idea is to move on and hope the next company listens.

[Katman]

Ed will tell them all, they're wrong.

[Edbear]

I've seen many explanations as to why those main buildings collapsed the way they did, as I suspect you and Ed have. Mainly around the age of the design (that's how I some it up) and quantity of gas on board. Trouble is it is hard to get all the facts and nothing but them. More interesting to my mind is the Pentagon, seen some interesting explanations of the disappearing plane wreckage.


Any Jenga champion will tell you that if you take to many blocks out of the middle, the top falls to the weakest side.
Any woodsman will tell you that you need to force tree to fall away from you.
Any demo expert will tell you that if you collapse a building within a radius of 1/3 of its height - it's a job well done (towers were better than that).
Any structural engineer will tell you that solid steel I beams loose structural integrity at 900 degc and dissolve a 1300 deg C. But also cool faster as well (which is why I is good and box not so good).
Any physics major would calculate the rate at which a weight would fall before the potential energy of a impact would melt steel is significant.

All of them will say nothing when it comes to 911 if they are smart. Not only could you lose your accreditation - you could lose your life on that one. People have disappeared for less.

Doesn't have to be at that level also. Can be on a much smaller scale. How many NZ tunnelling specialists were at the trial of Pike River? I can tell you that Solid energy has 4, and even Pike had 5 employed in the years prior. All the pike ones left before it happened. They all probably still curse under their breath.
It is career suicide to talk out about things that get covered up - best idea is to move on and hope the next company listens.

Yes, I have seen every video and virtually every interview. The towers collapsed as the designers expected they would given the forces and heat they were subject to. They were designed to resist an impact by a small aircraft as per the regs at the time. They were an exoskeleton and due to the intense heat, they simply became a vertical stack of dynamos. The floor under the top floors that were above, the floors burning and several storeys above, could not handle the weight collapsing on it and the towers were both doomed from moment of impact.

People don't seem to think about the fact that the planes did not hit the top of them but much lower down and it was not just a couple of floors collapsing, it was the entire weight of nearly the top third of both towers coming down.

Building 7 was not merely a couple of localised minor fires. It too was bound to collapse due to the intense heat of major internal fire, not seen from outside on the street. Engineers have clearly shown in video evidence and by people inside the building what the true story was.

But of course, the "highly intelligent" conspiracy theorists can't understand things like actual facts...

The Pentagon was definitely hit by the 757 and there is abundant photo and eyewitness testimony from paramedics and others about parts, including body parts, uniforms and signage. Again, the heat of the fire was intense but enough of the plane survived to prove what it was.

[bogan]

So to summarise the two sides:

Engineers in the know think it is technically likely for the towers to fall that ways.
Engineers in the know have extreme doubts about that likelyhood, but are smart enough to realise it is not wise to speak out against a government that may have murdered thousands of people for a lot less.

Leaving little chance of the conspiracy theorists being proved right, or wrong.

Personally, I wouldn't be that surprised either way, but I won't be wasting time investigating it based on the flawed premise that the answers are actually available.

[Edbear]

So to summarise the two sides:

Engineers in the know think it is technically likely for the towers to fall that ways.
Engineers in the know have extreme doubts about that likelyhood, but are smart enough to realise it is not wise to speak out against a government that may have murdered thousands of people for a lot less.

Leaving little chance of the conspiracy theorists being proved right, or wrong.

Personally, I wouldn't be that surprised either way, but I won't be wasting time investigating it based on the flawed premise that the answers are actually available.

That is you to a 'T'. That way you never have to learn anything and can sit back and be a typical keyboard warrior, criticising and remaining comfy in your prejudice.

[bogan]

That is you to a 'T'. That way you never have to learn anything and can sit back and be a typical keyboard warrior, criticising and remaining comfy in your prejudice.

Agree with the first, I've always tried to pare a problem right back to the heart of its issue, I consider it a worthy trait not only as an Engineer, but for many other things as well. As for the rest, overreaction much?

[Madness]

overreaction much?

He's probably just having a bad trip today.

[bogan]

He's probably just having a bad trip today.

:lol: That's alright then, if he is busy here it'll keep him off the roads at least.

[mashman]

He's probably just having a bad trip today.

That'll be the constipation that comes with the usage.

[Katman]

Yes, I have seen every video and virtually every interview.

You are seriously the most gullible retard on this site.

Governments love people like you.

[scumdog]

All this kerfuffle in this thread makes as much sense as the argument about whether it's best to fold down the flap on an envelope from left to right or right to left...

In both instances the opinions don't matter a fuck and ain't going to change a frikkin' thing or make a difference...

[Katman]

All this kerfuffle in this thread makes as much sense as the argument about whether it's best to fold down the flap on an envelope from left to right or right to left...

In both instances the opinions don't matter a fuck and ain't going to change a frikkin' thing or make a difference...

What a load of shit.

This thread is simply asking people to think beyond the official bullshit line they're being spun.

If you can't figure that out you're as retarded as Ed.

[Edbear]

What a load of shit.

This thread is simply asking people to think beyond the official bullshit line they're being spun.

If you can't figure that out you're as retarded as Ed.

if you weren't so pathetic you'd be hilarious! :doh:

[Laava]

You are seriously the most gullible retard on this site.

Governments love people like you.

Hahahaha! Fuck I laughed!

[bogan]

All this kerfuffle in this thread makes as much sense as the argument about whether it's best to fold down the flap on an envelope from left to right or right to left...

In both instances the opinions don't matter a fuck and ain't going to change a frikkin' thing or make a difference...

What a load of shit.

It's left to right, because the stamp is on the right hand side of the front side, so you start there to ensure no wrinkles form under the stamp which could prevent it getting read correctly by the automated stamp reading machines.

[Katman]

Hahahaha! Fuck I laughed!

Really? About what?

You and Ed can clearly have any amount of weird shit spun on you and you lap it up like good little citizens.

You wouldn't know truth if it fucked you between the eyeballs.

[Laava]

Really? About what?

You and Ed can clearly have any amount of weird shit spun on you and you lap it up like good little citizens.

You wouldn't know truth if it fucked you between the eyeballs.
Yeah I knew you wouldn't understand, with your disproportionately large self important ego, the massive irony of your previous post. And this one. I will be laughing for ages. I may be some time!

[Maha]

Whao!!! There are currently 25 users browsing this thread. (1 members and 24 guests)... bet some the guests are FBI :rolleyes:

[Katman]

If I choke to death on some popcorn in the next couple of weeks it probably won't be the real story.

[mashman]

Whao!!! There are currently 25 users browsing this thread. (1 members and 24 guests)... bet some the guests are FBI :rolleyes:

The rest of them must be in the Associations thread with (1 member and 78 guests) the other night. Guess they gotta do something in the meantime.

[mashman]

As it is the season of the conspiracy theory (http://www.dailypaul.com/286354/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaevs-arrest-fall-out-of-helicoptor-and-die) :innocent: ... seriously? 2 trained men just feel out of a helicopter?

[Maha]

:yawn: :zzzz:...:done:

[Katman]

:yawn: :zzzz:...:done:

Perhaps you could pop over to the ANZAC thread Mark.

I'm sure with your Mensa credentials you could answer a few questions for me.

[gwigs]

How convenient....:wacko:

[Katman]

How convenient....:wacko:

Do you reckon Dzhokar Tsarnaev will ever make it to trial?

[scumdog]

Good grief - this thread is STILL struggling along - and only the ANZAC thread is more boring....

[Katman]

- and only the ANZAC thread is more boring....

Are you up to answering some questions in it?

[gwigs]

Do you reckon Dzhokar Tsarnaev will ever make it to trial?

He could take a gun off a guard and shoot himself in the throat or they could possible drop him out of a helicopter while he was escaping..

[scumdog]

Are you up to answering some questions in it?

Nah - you and a couple of others have negated any need for me to get involved...:shifty:

[scumdog]

So who has info about the London killing conspiracy????;)

[mashman]

He could take a gun off a guard and shoot himself in the throat or they could possible drop him out of a helicopter while he was escaping..

:rofl: well practice makes perfect and it sounds like they're 2 for 2.


So who has info about the London killing conspiracy????;)

Surely you mean the one in Birmingham?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So who has info about the London killing conspiracy????;)

They were actually white guys with shoe nugget on their faces to get whites to hate blacks. Cause they don't already.

[nosebleed]

Surely you mean the one in Birmingham?

Come on Gordy, What's the first rule of Birmingham?



my old man's a Brum, and he neeeever talks about it

[mashman]

Come on Gordy, What's the first rule of Birmingham?



my old man's a Brum, and he neeeever talks about it

:rofl: my best mate back in Glasgow was a brum, he loved talkin about the place (especially his curraaaaaaaaaaaaay). Although noone talked about this one (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police)

Prila running well?

[sgtp]

Don't believe the papers saying that the London killer is a terrorist. He was actually shouting Aloha Snackbar while committing the crime, and that's just the new juice bar franchise that opened on high street.

[gwigs]

Don't believe the papers saying that the London killer is a terrorist. He was actually shouting Aloha Snackbar while committing the crime, and that's just the new juice bar franchise that opened on high street.

Do you honestly think you are funny ...?

[98tls]

So who has info about the London killing conspiracy????;)

Mate thats years away,in typical Nzud fashion this lots still trying to work out 911.

[Edbear]

Mate thats years away,in typical Nzud fashion this lots still trying to work out 911.

They are never going to work it out as they will never accept any evidence or proven facts that contradict their anti-govt. prejudices. Only links to conspiracy sites are acceptable and will be believed without question. I have left off posting in the other thread and this one as they have clearly shown themselves for what they are. :stupid: :blank:

[Edbear]

ROFL! Someone's sensitive, eh Katman? Haven't you run out of red yet? :whocares:

[Katman]

They are never going to work it out as they will never accept any evidence or proven facts that contradict their anti-govt. prejudices. Only links to conspiracy sites are acceptable and will be believed without question. I have left off posting in the other thread and this one as they have clearly shown themselves for what they are. :stupid: :blank:

So you'd prefer to align yourself with the "so what if it's a cover-up" side?

[Edbear]

Yeah, if you reckon Scummie is corrupt as your red rep said, I am very happy to take his side as, I would guarantee, most of KB will too.:yes:

[Katman]

Yeah, if you reckon Scummie is corrupt as your red rep said, I am very happy to take his side as, I would guarantee, most of KB will too.:yes:

Really Ed?

So you're comfortable with the whole "so what if there's a conspiracy" line?

[98tls]

Really Ed?

So you're comfortable with the whole "so what if there's a conspiracy" line?

No doubt theres as we type a gathering a good german folk still dismayed at the Nuremburg trial findings,they probably even have links....

[Katman]

No doubt theres as we type a gathering a good german folk still dismayed at the Nuremburg trial findings,they probably even have links....

So would they be right in being dismayed?

I'm talking about a police officer who has the opinion "who cares if there's a conspiracy".

That's fucked from anyone's viewpoint.

Are you happy to be convicted by someone like that?

[puddytat]

No doubt theres as we type a gathering a good german folk still dismayed at the Nuremburg trial findings,they probably even have links....

They have Recht also...

[98tls]

So would they be right in being dismayed?

I'm talking about a police officer who has the opinion "who cares if there's a conspiracy".

That's fucked from anyone's viewpoint.

Are you happy to be convicted by someone like that?

You smoking that herbal shit K?Scummy dont scare me,ive an old photo taken many years ago of him parading in non issue undies....or have i:shit:

[Katman]

You smoking that herbal shit K?Scummy dont scare me,ive an old photo taken many years ago of him parading in non issue undies....or have i:shit:

I don't really give a fuck about your photo.

I asked, would you be happy to be convicted by a police officer who made no secret of the fact that he didn't care at all whether a conspiracy existed in the case?

[98tls]

I don't really give a fuck about your photo.

What photo?I can give you a link to a thread on this very site that says that photo doesnt exist.

[98tls]

I don't really give a fuck about your photo.

I asked, would you be happy to be convicted by a police officer who made no secret of the fact that he didn't care at all whether a conspiracy existed in the case?

Did he though?Possibly scummies out walking the beat meanwhile Obamas jumped in Air Force One landed in his back yard sent in the finest to overwhelm CB and set about posting such vile comments.

[Katman]

Did he though?Possibly scummies out walking the beat meanwhile Obamas jumped in Air Force One landed in his back yard sent in the finest to overwhelm CB and set about posting such vile comments.

Whatever dude.

[Kickaha]

Did he though?Possibly scummies out walking the beat meanwhile Obamas jumped in Air Force One landed in his back yard sent in the finest to overwhelm CB and set about posting such vile comments.

Thats just stupid, Scummys yard isn't that big they'd have to use the highway

[_Shrek_]

Thats just stupid, Scummys yard isn't that big they'd have to use the highway

it is now we trimmed the hedges & trees back :sweatdrop

[98tls]

Thats just stupid, Scummys yard isn't that big they'd have to use the highway

Wrong,upon take off Obama himself slid down the landing gear complete with old school surfboards and attached em meaning they glided in and gently landed just down from the bridge,as scummy walked across said bridge he thought he heard a loud noise followed by a rush of wind but merely put it down to a conspiracy.

[98tls]

it is now we trimmed the hedges & trees back :sweatdrop

Right now?

[Katman]

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/official-story-has-odd-wrinkles-a-pack-of-questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/

Ask yourself, does that white bag sitting next to the rubbish bin really look like the one hanging from the younger brother's shoulder?

[tnarg]

Yep your right the bag looks nothing like his bag but then again wasn't the photo taken well before the bombs went off? The person who put it there probably went home and took there bag with them.

[Maha]

Yep your right the bag looks nothing like his bag but then again wasn't the photo taken well before the bombs went off? The person who put it there probably went home and took there bag with them.

Bags are generally fucked after a bomb within goes off Grant...:msn-wink:
The fulla with the white cap looks like he has a bomb in the bag, what was he thinking? :rolleyes:

[Katman]

....but then again wasn't the photo taken well before the bombs went off?

Do you have a link that gives any indication of when the photo was taken?

[tnarg]

Try this http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17783787-fbi-reviewing-before-and-after-photos-of-bag-at-boston-marathon-blast-scene?pc=25&sp=175#discussion_nav

Another clue...shadows.

[gwigs]

Where was the tree and sign in the first pic ?....dodgey..
Looks like a photoshop job...needs investigating....
Waiting for Ed .......:corn:
Got add a bit there in pic one there was a manhole cover in pic two its gone..?

[Trade_nancy]

The tree is further left..not in the other frame cos the frame is not covering the exact same spot. ..same for the manhole cover...The 2 pics don't show the same area of the road. Manhole cover is out of the shot..bottomed out.

[mashman]

Try this http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17783787-fbi-reviewing-before-and-after-photos-of-bag-at-boston-marathon-blast-scene?pc=25&sp=175#discussion_nav

Another clue...shadows.

There are a series of photos earlier in the thread that show the woman putting the bag through the railings.

[Katman]

The tree is further left..not in the other frame cos the frame is not covering the exact same spot. ..same for the manhole cover...The 2 pics don't show the same area of the road. Manhole cover is out of the shot..bottomed out.

Both photos are taken from almost exactly the same spot (as seen by the lining up of the mailbox with the brick door frame in the background). One photo is slightly zoomed in.

The manhole cover is obscured by the news agency logo.

[tnarg]

So what has the bag in front of the fence got to do with any thing? It was there before the bomb went off but there is no proof it was there when the bomb went off.
Also the explosion took place behind the barricade. Notice how it is bent out and around the post box.



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[Laava]

In the second photo you can clearly see the flags are not waving. Further irrefutable proof that the bomb blasts are holograms. You can see the actors also running towards the blast. If this had been a real blast, they would have been running away. The girl in the middle in the yellow top is Jennifer Anniston

[avgas]

Yes, I have seen every video and virtually every interview. The towers collapsed as the designers expected they would given the forces and heat they were subject to. They were designed to resist an impact by a small aircraft as per the regs at the time. They were an exoskeleton and due to the intense heat, they simply became a vertical stack of dynamos. The floor under the top floors that were above, the floors burning and several storeys above, could not handle the weight collapsing on it and the towers were both doomed from moment of impact.

People don't seem to think about the fact that the planes did not hit the top of them but much lower down and it was not just a couple of floors collapsing, it was the entire weight of nearly the top third of both towers coming down.

Building 7 was not merely a couple of localised minor fires. It too was bound to collapse due to the intense heat of major internal fire, not seen from outside on the street. Engineers have clearly shown in video evidence and by people inside the building what the true story was.

But of course, the "highly intelligent" conspiracy theorists can't understand things like actual facts...

The Pentagon was definitely hit by the 757 and there is abundant photo and eyewitness testimony from paramedics and others about parts, including body parts, uniforms and signage. Again, the heat of the fire was intense but enough of the plane survived to prove what it was.
So why don't you fear terrorists? They could get you anywhere?

[Edbear]

So why don't you fear terrorists? They could get you anywhere?

These days you do think about it. And yes they can strike anywhere, anytime, and that is what they try to do. They want the world to live in fear. They want to prove they cannot be stopped. Basically, they can't be stopped ether.

In NZ we seem to be relatively safe so we don't get too paranoid about it.

[SMOKEU]

Fucking sand niggers.

[scumdog]

Fucking sand niggers.

Is that what you're doing right now - fucking them?

[oldrider]

These days you do think about it. And yes they can strike anywhere, anytime, and that is what they try to do. They want the world to live in fear. They want to prove they cannot be stopped. Basically, they can't be stopped ether.

In NZ we seem to be relatively safe so we don't get too paranoid about it.

Watch out for the recruits that will be available here two or three generations from now! .... That's been the pattern everywhere else! :shifty:

[Edbear]

Watch out for the recruits that will be available here two or three generations from now! .... That's been the pattern everywhere else! :shifty:

We certainly aren't immune to it and Australia will get it before we do as they are seen as more pro-USA than NZ is.

[SMOKEU]

Is that what you're doing right now - fucking them?

Sure. You're welcome to join in.

[scumdog]

Sure. You're welcome to join in.

I'll leave that job to you...

[SMOKEU]

I'll leave that job to you...

No worries, the offer still stands if you change your mind. :bleh:

[oneofsix]

No worries, the offer still stands if you change your mind. :bleh:

the problem one are mainly the males so I suspect you are on your own. :bleh:

[Swoop]

I had no idea so many conspiracy theorists' existed on KB.

I wonder how this will get viewed.

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[mashman]

The Chechen man who was fatally shot during questioning about ties to a Boston marathon bombing suspect was recovering from a knee injury and would have struggled to attack officers, lawyers say. (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/18492968/son-shot-by-fbi-agent-good-boy-father/)

[Katman]

Loose lips sink ships.

[scumdog]

The Chechen man who was fatally shot during questioning about ties to a Boston marathon bombing suspect was recovering from a knee injury and would have struggled to attack officers, lawyers say. (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/18492968/son-shot-by-fbi-agent-good-boy-father/)

'Dead men tell no tales'

[oneofsix]

'Dead men tell no tales'

Certainly not the way forensics are handled in NZ :shutup:

BTW didn't think you needed your knees to fire a gun or is shooting at police not considered attacking them? :crazy:

[Banditbandit]

BTW didn't think you needed your knees to fire a gun or is shooting at police not considered attacking them? :crazy:

If you read the story he did not have a gun, he pulled a knife and "lunged at the police" .. hard to do on a damaged knee not yet healed ...

However, as the story points out the room was full of armed officers - and ONLY the FBI man pulled his gun and fired ... if a person lunged at police with a knife surely other officers would pull their guns too ...


It's all full of holes and certainly looks like an over-reaction by the FBI officer ...

[Edbear]

If you read the story he did not have a gun, he pulled a knife and "lunged at the police" .. hard to do on a damaged knee not yet healed ...

However, as the story points out the room was full of armed officers - and ONLY the FBI man pulled his gun and fired ... if a person lunged at police with a knife surely other officers would pull their guns too ...


It's all full of holes and certainly looks like an over-reaction by the FBI officer ...

Maybe it was the FBI Officer he was lunging at with the knife? Don't you know not to believe everything a defense lawyer says? :yes:

[puddytat]

Nah, He would've been glaring at them with hate filled eyes & spewing vitriol & foretelling their downfall......& secret agent man pulled a gun & shot 'im.
Que cover up story.....:laugh:

[Banditbandit]

Maybe it was the FBI Officer he was lunging at with the knife? Don't you know not to believe everything a defense lawyer says? :yes:

No - I don't believe everything the defense lawyers claim ... do you believe everything that the cops claim?

[Edbear]

No - I don't believe everything the defense lawyers claim ... do you believe everything that the cops claim?

I don't think it is dodgy, as I wasn't there. I make no judgment or inference from the lawyer's claims. His job is to defend his client and defense lawyers usually appeal to emotions. A bad knee means nothing unless it can be shown to be so disabling he couldn't lunge at the Cops.

[Banditbandit]

I don't think it is dodgy, as I wasn't there. I make no judgment or inference from the lawyer's claims. His job is to defend his client and defense lawyers usually appeal to emotions. A bad knee means nothing unless it can be shown to be so disabling he couldn't lunge at the Cops.

I agree with that part .. he has to prove that ...

What looks a little dodgy to me (and I say "looks dodgey" rather than "is dodgey") is the bit about the FBI agent being the only one to pull out a weapon .. and fire all the shots ... surely the other cops and agents in the room would have rected too .. and you can't say they didn't have time ... if they didn't have time then netierh did the FBI agent who fired al the shots ..


Yes, I agree with this is all defense lawyer stuff .. but it looks dodgey right now ..

[Edbear]

I agree with that part .. he has to prove that ...

What looks a little dodgy to me (and I say "looks dodgey" rather than "is dodgey") is the bit about the FBI agent being the only one to pull out a weapon .. and fire all the shots ... surely the other cops and agents in the room would have rected too .. and you can't say they didn't have time ... if they didn't have time then netierh did the FBI agent who fired al the shots ..


Yes, I agree with this is all defense lawyer stuff .. but it looks dodgey right now ..

I read the article. Too many questions unanswered. Notice that he was a good boy? They all are aren't they? I can't believe the others there would have stood by without doing or saying anything if the agent simply shot him in cold blood.

[Banditbandit]

I read the article. Too many questions unanswered. Notice that he was a good boy? They all are aren't they?

Sucvh a predictable quote from a defense lawyer I dont know why they bothered to report it ...


I can't believe the others there would have stood by without doing or saying anything if the agent simply shot him in cold blood.

Yes - and that is what makes me suspicious ... it might have happened very fast and then they did nothing and the time ... but then, who has told the defence lawyers that is what happened ??? They might not have been able to do anythign at the time but they might be doing something now ..

Enouigh .. it's all speculation .. and while I might suspect the agent killed him without cause ... I will reserve judgement

[scumdog]

I read the article. Too many questions unanswered. Notice that he was a good boy? They all are aren't they? I can't believe the others there would have stood by without doing or saying anything if the agent simply shot him in cold blood.

One day a dead guys dad will speak the truth "He was a lazy drunken wife-beating arsehole who stole from old people and fiddled with small children and I'm glad he's dead"

But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen...

[mashman]

One day a dead guys dad will speak the truth "He was a lazy drunken wife-beating arsehole who stole from old people and fiddled with small children and I'm glad he's dead"

But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen...

Don't worry, I'll make sure your dad says nice things aboucha.

[scumdog]

Don't worry, I'll make sure your dad says nice things aboucha.

I doubt it - he's worse than me...

[mashman]

I doubt it - he's worse than me...

What? He made detective?

[scumdog]

What? He made detective?

Higher.

And he was allowed to shoot people that pissed him off!:2thumbsup

[mashman]

Higher.

And he was allowed to shoot people that pissed him off!:2thumbsup

WHAT? HE MADE DETECTIVE? Better?

But he kept missing?

[scumdog]

WHAT? HE MADE DETECTIVE? Better?

But he kept missing?

I bet the dead wished he HAD missed...<_<

[Katman]

I don't think it is dodgy, as I wasn't there.

Governments love people like you Ed.

[Boob Johnson]

For those that know Katman it won't come as a surprise he has asked "the question". If I searched for a "chem trails" thread no doubt you would have started that also.

Lol Steve :weird:

[Banditbandit]

One day a dead guys dad will speak the truth "He was a lazy drunken wife-beating arsehole who stole from old people and fiddled with small children and I'm glad he's dead"

But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen...

I recently went ot a funeral of a young guy who was a P addict - hanged himself ..

His father stood up at the funeral and got into the guy - called him al sorts of names ... dumb cunt, fuckwit etc etc ...

I thought: Maybe if he'd said it while his son was alive we might not be here at the funeral ...

[paturoa]

Junior Tsarnaev brother's trial defense was that he did in fact plant real bombs that did indeed maim and kill people (but it was his brother's idea).

Where to now for the conspiracy theories for this event?

[Katman]

It never hurts to ask questions.

And besides, it would have been interesting to hear what the older brother's defense might have been.

But the FBI made sure no beans were going to be spilled there.

[scumdog]

But the FBI made sure no beans were going to be spilled there.


And THAT kiddies is the conspiracy!!!;)

[scumdog]

It never hurts to ask questions.

And besides, it would have been interesting to hear what the older brother's defense might have been.

But the FBI made sure no beans were going to be spilled there.


So why did the FBI let the younger one live?

To keep you conspiracy ding-bats happy?

"I don't think so Tim".

[Gadget1]

So why did the FBI let the younger one live?

To keep you conspiracy ding-bats happy?

"I don't think so Tim".

Nah. The younger one didn't know the identity of the FBI agent behind the whole thing...