Boston bombing

[Katman]

Shit just got unreal.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bostonbombingdidyouthink20apr13.shtml

[Laava]

Really? You believe that shit?

[Katman]

Really? You believe that shit?

I only blindly believe my own shit.

You've got to admit though, there's some serious questions that need answering.

[Paul in NZ]

Honestly - people who put that shit up need fuckin shooting

[Paul in NZ]

I only blindly believe my own shit.

You've got to admit though, there's some serious question that need answering.

Sorry - what friggin questions? Some fat donut eating internet dork photo shopping shit is more 'believable' than the US govt who really has fuck all to gain out of this?

REAL people died.... By a real bomb. whats staged about tha?

[Katman]

Honestly - people who put that shit up need fuckin shooting

Maybe you can explain the medical and photographic anomalies Paul.

That will reassure us.

[DrunkenMistake]

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

You might enjoy this too Katman.

[caseye]

Come on Katman, who gains anything from staging this.
To date, we know there were 2 brothers involved in attempting to kill members of a nation who has done no more than take them in, feed them, educate them, put a roof over their head, medicate them and generally try to give them back some semblence of normality and security and this is how they are repaid!
We know that one is dead, the other nearly dead, but from his own hand ( couldn't shoot his own head off with a shotgun??)
I've no reason to believe that the bombing was not real, a friend of mine, a gent who was once a munitions expert with some of the worlds top elite units said to me last week that he first saw the bombing on TV and told his wife straight away that the explosions were gunpowder, not any sort of high tech explosive.
He'd know,and I've known him for more than 20 yrs.
This sort of crap is designed to make people ask other people the same question.
What it does, is it creates rifts among people who would otherwise stand together through a crisis such as this.
Do you believe that 911 was also staged?
I have friends who now live in the USA who actually believe that it was.
I ask them the same questions, who gains from it?
Why?
These events are both far to public and extensively reported on by ordinary people to be anything other than what they were.
Acts of unspeakable terrorism committed by countries and individuals who have an axe to grind.
The US is plenty of things, but in general terms we'd be a goner but for them along with plenty of other western countries and people from all over the world.
This sort of doubt is another weapon of terror, to advance it as suspect is exactly what they want.
Sorry mate,but this is not a subject I shall be revisiting. I find it hard to believe that you could honestly ask the question with any degree of sincerity. Cynically, yes, trolling, maybe, but as it sounds from here, actually questioning, na sorry I'm out.

[Laava]

Fuck, some cunts have a vivid imagination!

[scumdog]

What

A

Crock

Of

Shit!!:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Maybe you can explain the medical and photographic anomalies Paul.

That will reassure us.

A couple of 'vivid' pens, some Twink and a shit-load of photo-shoppin!


(BTW: I reckon I done seen some of them fellers at the World Trade Centre in 2001!)

[Katman]

Sorry mate,but this is not a subject I shall be revisiting. I find it hard to believe that you could honestly ask the question with any degree of sincerity. Cynically, yes, trolling, maybe, but as it sounds from here, actually questioning, na sorry I'm out.

Fair enough Mark.

The task was obviously too much for Paul, perhaps you can explain the anomalies in the link above.

It is also known that a bomb blast drill was advertised in the media prior to the event and that moments before the explosions the crowd were being told to remain calm.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry - what friggin questions? Some fat donut eating internet dork photo shopping shit is more 'believable' than the US govt who really has fuck all to gain out of this?

REAL people died.... By a real bomb. whats staged about tha?

It was the same people that faked the moon landings!

[Paul in NZ]

Maybe you can explain the medical and photographic anomalies Paul.

That will reassure us.

I work with people that can produce photos that make you think bigfoot is real and that the CIA blew up the twin towers...

I'm sorry - Photographic anomalies my arse... Its a digital world and some of those photos are so 'unreal' that they are not even close to professional quality...

I guess the 8 year old boy that died was simulated as well... You lost me on this one...

[James Deuce]

The more elaborate a conspiracy, the less likely it is to be effectively implemented by any government or government agency. If there is more than one person organising a conspiracy, it quickly becomes both the opposite of a conspiracy (you need two to tango) and an omni-shambles.

[Laava]

If you google the two guys they are claiming are the same person, you will see they are clearly who they say they are, ie , two different people. Lt Nick Vogt does not look like Jeff Bauman. Check it out for yourself. This will only confirm for the diehard conspiracy theorist, that the CIA have done magical face lifts over the last few days, but the rational person will see this "proof" as the utter fuckin bullshit that it is. Katman, there is a fuckwit on the aussie Buell site that is posting shit like this and he is obviously close to having a nervous breakdown. Troll fodder.

[Kickaha]

Fuckwits, Katman needs a slapping or even putting such total drivel up, did anyone read any of the other shit on that site?


We witnessed a similar, government-sponsored hoax in Sandy Hook Connecticut on December 14, 2012

[Katman]

I work with people that can produce photos that make you think bigfoot is real and that the CIA blew up the twin towers...

I'm sorry - Photographic anomalies my arse... Its a digital world and some of those photos are so 'unreal' that they are not even close to professional quality...

I guess the 8 year old boy that died was simulated as well... You lost me on this one...

Many of those photos are readily available in the media Paul - looking exactly the same as the ones in the link.

[Laava]

So what? Without the madeup story they are just photos of the bombing tradgedy.

[Berries]

If you google the two guys they are claiming are the same person, you will see they are clearly who they say they are............
And what country is Google from?





The plot thickens.......................

[Madness]

So what?

I can't believe you're still comfortable with your avatar in light of recent events.

[Laava]

I can't believe you're still comfortable with your avatar in light of recent events.

If you look in the photos of the bombing tragedy there is a man who continually hides his face. The people in charge of the secret piano tuners society know a bloke who has a cousin who's wife reckons the Rolf was part of the deadly chain of events.
Seriously tho, you are right, I have been a bit lax!

[Wannabiker]

Whilst I do not really support the conspiracy theory, there was some rather confusing reporting. I realise that there was lots happening, and nowdays, anyone with a cellphone camera is a reporter.

Some aspects I did comment on at the time.

2 blasts, then it was 2 blasts, and the police had detonated a third device, then an additional 2 devices were found...then back to the two original blasts.

Then we watched the police apprehend one suspect, strip him and he walked to the police car.....then he is dead from gunshot wounds a few hours later.??

I was also quite surprised at the amount of rounds going down range in the apprehension of the second suspect...and nobody got hit. I thought this only happened in the movies.

[scissorhands]

Didnt the US have prior warning of Pearl Harbour?
Why did the building fall that wasnt hit by a plane?

Sandy Hook and Aurora, both 'shooters' Dads were to give evidence in some high profile case?

Too many unanswered anomalies to be certain of anything....

I have a birthmark on my penis, what does it mean??

[James Deuce]

I have a birthmark on my penis, what does it mean??

It's not a birthmark. You need antibiotics.

[Laava]

Here's a question. Cos I thought the same as some of you. How do we know that the guy the police had face down on the road, with his hands out, was the older brother who subsequently died of hideous injuries sustained in a shootout with police? He could have been anyone? Wrong place at the wrong time type thing?

[James Deuce]

Here's a question. Cos I thought the same as some of you. How do we know that the guy the police had face down on the road, with his hands out, was the older brother who subsequently died of hideous injuries sustained in a shootout with police? He could have been anyone? Wrong place at the wrong time type thing?

There is a commentary amongst media observers that the desire to beat Joe Average with a cellphone to the punch is what has lead CNN and FOX to divest themselves of all journalistic credibility to be seen as the first responders in the news sense. I have absolutely no doubt that there is the potential for truth in what you are saying, and it would not surprise to learn that it is so. This effect lead to an unrelated fire at the JFK library being reported as another explosion. The only news agency I've found that subscribes to factual news reporting is Al Jazeera, oddly enough.

[mashman]

Skip to 10 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YBo0LdoeoOU

[sketch]

Brave man Katman I to have my doubts about what actualy went on in boston and have views on other events, 911 ww1 ww2 and vietnam to name a few, that stray far from what the masses are lead to believe, but i have learnt that the system of control so strongly entrenched renders the need or point of trying share our "crazy conspiracy theory ideas" with those who choose to believe the details and versions of events that flash in front of them on the 6 o clock news to almost nill,



http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

[Laava]

There is a commentary amongst media observers that the desire to beat Joe Average with a cellphone to the punch is what has lead CNN and FOX to divest themselves of all journalistic credibility to be seen as the first responders in the news sense. I have absolutely no doubt that there is the potential for truth in what you are saying, and it would not surprise to learn that it is so. This effect lead to an unrelated fire at the JFK library being reported as another explosion. The only news agency I've found that subscribes to factual news reporting is Al Jazeera, oddly enough.


Skip to 10 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YBo0LdoeoOU
I agree about Al Jazeera.
However the pic of the younger brother fleeing does NOT prove he is wearing a back pack. The guy with the marked pack is interesting tho

[mashman]

However the pic of the younger brother fleeing does NOT prove he is wearing a back pack. The guy with the marked pack is interesting tho

True. However the other pics you can find on the net look different to the one the guy on the vid is showing. Which one is real? Conspiracy: do the bricks behind the guy in this pic look almost backpack like?

http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect.jpg?w=650

[mashman]

Hmmmmmm, bit odd.

https://twitter.com/HighersideChats/status/327504626037432322/photo/1

[willytheekid]

http://www.ynaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/o-MARTIN-RICHARD-DEAD-BOSTON-MARATHON-570.jpg

...tell his parents it was staged!:weep:

[gwigs]

My first thoughts when I heard about the bombings was I wonder if the US Gubberment did it,
And I think something was dodgy about 911...
Its not a new thing to use terror to gain more control...
Adolf Hitler is suspect in the burning down of the Reichstaff (not sure on spelling but Parliament )
he blamed it on the Communist and took control of Government...
I dont believe all that I,m told by the Media either....yep I,m suspicious...

[PrincessBandit]

I'm always a bit skeptical about anything that says "Indisputable proof..." but it certainly makes for sobering reading. Unfortunately most (if not all) countries have agencies which are more than capable of doing, what do they call it in the movies, wet work?, in order to create social chaos, fear, or dissatisfaction for the purposes of their own agenda. The US would most definitely be capable of that type of thing.

You know the old expression, if I don't see it I don't believe it, has always had problems: illusionists make a living from it; governments make history from it. And none are above using their own trusting citizens for their own purposes (even if the top man or woman might not know directly about it). Again, don't ask Mr. President, we won't tell...

[paturoa]

Some nut jobs use bombs, and some use the internet.

Very interesting are the pics of the "seals". I had a look but can't put those pics in context with the race itself. None of the back grounds match, so could have been taken any time / place.

[Katman]

I find it interesting that the guy being wheeled away in the wheelchair hasn't left any trail of blood behind him whatsoever.

[paturoa]

I find it interesting that the guy being wheeled away in the wheelchair hasn't left any trail of blood behind him whatsoever.

He left most of his blood on the concrete next to the black women and the guy with the hoodie. I read an interview with the guy with the cow boy hat where he said that he put tourniquets (SP?) on the guys legs above his knees to stop him bleeding out. You can see one of them in one of the pics. You can also see the cow boy hat guy in a pic just after the bomb went off on the other side of the hand rails, so he got there quickly.

[Murray]

If thats the sort of thing that interests you, you are disturbed

[Katman]

He left most of his blood on the concrete next to the black women and the guy with the hoodie. I read an interview with the guy with the cow boy hat where he said that he put tourniquets (SP?) on the guys legs above his knees to stop him bleeding out. You can see one of them in one of the pics. You can also see the cow boy hat guy in a pic just after the bomb went off on the other side of the hand rails, so he got there quickly.

The guy with the cowboy hat seems remarkably free of blood on him for someone who has applied tourniquets to two shattered stumps and then helped lift the victim into a wheelchair.

[Maha]

Now this thread is worthy of a poll...:rolleyes:


is the the sarcasm loud enough for ya?

[Katman]

Now this thread is worthy of a poll...:rolleyes:


is the the sarcasm loud enough for ya?

I think it's fairly clear that the majority of people are prepared to blindly believe everything the media tell them - even when some glaring anomalies are put before them.

I find that quite disturbing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

With the technology we have now days, you could make any story appear bullshit if you so desire. The women I read the story about in the Dom yesterday missing a leg...she seemed real.

[Edbear]

Now this thread is worthy of a poll...:rolleyes:


is the the sarcasm loud enough for ya?

This will get me a red, :msn-wink: but there are a never ending supply of conspiracy theorists and enough gullible idiots to keep them going.

[Katman]

.....and enough gullible idiots to keep them going.

That's hilarious coming from someone with your beliefs.

[FJRider]

This will get me a red, :msn-wink: but there are a never ending supply of conspiracy theorists and enough gullible idiots to keep them going.

It's been a while since we had a "Reds under the bed" thread ... the direction from whence it came was a surprise though.

[Edbear]

It's been a while since we had a "Reds under the bed" thread ... the direction from whence it came was a surprise though.

Initially, but then realisation of the calibre of the "direction from whence it came" corrected that thought.

[FJRider]

Initially, but then realisation of the calibre of the "direction from whence it came" corrected that thought.

A Caliber is the measurement of a bore .... And I have no idea how tall either of you are.



Cheap shots do neither of you credit.

[scissorhands]

Daddy did something wrong??
nnooooooo

daddy is perfect:no:

[nodrog]

I believe you steve.

Come up to the track nek saturday, we will make some explosions in your pants.

[scumdog]

So some of you people believe there's 'conspiracy'

BFD

So now you same people can explain WHY there is a need for this incident to be a conspiracy?

[Edbear]

A Caliber is the measurement of a bore .... And I have no idea how tall either of you are.

Cheap shots do neither of you credit.

You're right, mate, I apologise, I should have just continued to ignore the thread.

[paturoa]

Other than the pics of the "seals" that have yet to be explained, here is my prediction.

The absolute proof by the conspiracy nut jobs will be debunked one by one. It will not make a blind bit of difference, as they are fixed in their opinions and will refuse to consider new things.

For example, the Jimmy nut job on the body building site, who is at the core of the claims, has moved on from saying that the double amputee soldier is the wheel chair guy. He now doesn't engage on the topic since fact has emerged that it was complete fiction.

EDIT: Did you know that the merkins never went to the moon!
EDIT2: Oh and the recent Japper satellite photos that showed the tracks from the moon buggies were faked too.
EDIT3: The other leader is Fist of Freedom!

[Katman]

Other than the pics of the "seals" that have yet to be explained, here is my prediction.



There's pictures out there of them standing in very close proximity to the blast zone - just prior to the explosion.

The fact that certain pictures are becoming increasingly difficult to find via the usual google method is also somewhat strange.

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130537066]With the technology we have now days, you could make any story appear bullshit if you so desire.

Or you could , with technology make a bullshit story seem real.

[paturoa]

There's pictures out there of them standing in very close proximity to the blast zone - just prior to the explosion.

The fact that certain pictures are becoming increasingly difficult to find via the usual google method is also somewhat strange.

There are picture of a couple of guys, agree. The ones I've seen could have been taken of them standing in Paris a couple of weeks earlier. The context of time and place is currently on the word of the conspiracy peeps who posted the photos at the moment.

EDIT: Found one in context, the jacket / tan pants/ tan shoe guys in this pic. Who are they?

http://watchmanscry.com/images/seals1.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130537066]With the technology we have now days, you could make any story appear bullshit if you so desire.

Or you could , with technology make a bullshit story seem real.

Much harder to do when you have thousands of people actually there at the time. It's not like landing on the moon eh!

[Katman]

There are picture of a couple of guys, agree. The ones I've seen could have been taken of them standing in Paris a couple of weeks earlier. The context of time and place is currently on the word of the conspiracy peeps who posted the photos at the moment.

If you go to the link posted at #7, halfway down that page is the photo I'm referring to.

Here's another one.

<img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L5gbvOBkNdA/UXD4vDrlitI/AAAAAAAAHKY/0DtJlwlWZEE/s1600/SUV_Arrives.jpg"/>

[Katman]

Here's the one I was referring to from post #7.

<img src="http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/april2013/180413photo4a.jpg"/>

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130537090]

Much harder to do when you have thousands of people actually there at the time. It's not like landing on the moon eh!

Maybe it was actually for real,but it doesnt mean the US Govt didnt have a hand in it or knew what was about to go down...

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130537097]

Maybe it was actually for real,but it doesnt mean the US Govt didnt have a hand in it or knew what was about to go down...

Yeah but thats a whole lot different from saying the injured were actors etc...

[tnarg]

Here's the one I was referring to from post #7.

<img src="http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/april2013/180413photo4a.jpg"/>

You guys really should do some actually research on this. All this crap has been debunked with actual evidence to support it.

The so called seals were the National Guards WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) team. Common place at large scale events in the states. We even get our own counter terrorism team involved in big events here. You have to laugh at the tin hat brigade.

[Maha]

Wasn't the younger one termed...Capman? ..... Bazinga!:rolleyes:

[paturoa]

You guys really should do some actually research on this. All this crap has been debunked with actual evidence to support it.

The so called seals were the National Guards WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) team. Common place at large scale events in the states. We even get our own counter terrorism team involved in big events here. You have to laugh at the tin hat brigade.

Cool, where did you find that? Linkly?

[nodrog]

You guys really should do some actually research on this. All this crap has been debunked with actual evidence to support it.

The so called seals were the National Guards WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) team. Common place at large scale events in the states. We even get our own counter terrorism team involved in big events here. You have to laugh at the tin hat brigade.

Yeah, they had the maori wardens at the greerton markets yesterday.

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130537104]

Yeah but thats a whole lot different from saying the injured were actors etc...
Dont think i said that all..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dont think i said that all..

No...but the clown that is behind the consiracy theory in the original post does...and that's my point.

[avgas]

interesting reading - either way.

I think that there is an amazing lack of evidence of anything. Which is scary.

It is also sad that people have to dig to get images these days. The stuff on TV in nZ was a joke - sick of being desensitized here.

[paturoa]

interesting reading - either way.

I think that there is an amazing lack of evidence of anything. Which is scary.

I don't find it interesting. I'm disturbed that there are nut jobs out there looking at pictures, and seeing things that aren't there. Joining several of these together, and then posting for a bunch of of other nuts jobs to feast on.

[gwigs]

I don't find it interesting. I'm disturbed that there are nut jobs out there looking at pictures, and seeing things that aren't there. Joining several of these together, and then posting for a bunch of of other nuts jobs to feast on.

So anyone that questions the official story told to us by mainstream media is a nut job ?
Why should we blindly believe what we are told by the US Govt ....remember they lied about WMDs in Iraq
just so they could steal their oil .I say it needs investigating..

[Maha]

So anyone that questions the official story told to us by mainstream media is a nut job ?
Why should we blindly believe what we are told by the US Govt ....remember they lied about WMDs in Iraq
just so they could steal their oil .I say it needs investigating..

Not a nut job as such, easily swayed perhaps, not enough intelligence to decipher fact from fiction. I have viewed all the photos posted on this thread (including provided links) and I conclude that...while some of the photos could be seen as 'vaguely convincing', my real life intelligence.... says otherwise.

[paturoa]

So anyone that questions the official story told to us by mainstream media is a nut job ?
Why should we blindly believe what we are told by the US Govt ....remember they lied about WMDs in Iraq
just so they could steal their oil .I say it needs investigating..

You're joining dots in my posts that aren't there too.

If you'd taken a micro-second to look at my posts you'd see that I'm questioning the anonymous nut jobs, who have posted frame by frame pics, where they claim that Jeff Bauman, the guy in the wheel chair is an actor, swaps his legs with the help of the black woman and the guy in the hoodie with the sun glasses, just after the fake bomb goes off. Yes, the same fake bomb that killed the woman and the 8 year standing near him.

So it's quite a leap from there to postulating that I believe that everyone who quesions mainstream is a nut job.

EDIT: and while all of this is going on, and the photos are being taken, someone gets out a small bottle of fake blood and spreads it all over the place, and concurrently puts make up wounds on a bunch of others. Oh and no-one in the crowd sees any of this.

[Edbear]

So anyone that questions the official story told to us by mainstream media is a nut job ?
Why should we blindly believe what we are told by the US Govt ....remember they lied about WMDs in Iraq
just so they could steal their oil .I say it needs investigating..

The US Government didn't say anything but sympathise and vow to catch the culprits. Seriously, these types of conspiracy theories are splashed all over the place whenever anything major happens like this. It is the "American way." They LOVE conspiracy theories and blaming the mysterious powers behind the Govt. for everything and anything.

It is all absolute bolocks and enough of their theories have been discredited by now to make any sane person a total skeptic.

I spent months going over the 9-11 scenario, all the theories ,all the videos and pictures, all sides of the story with a lot of other people. It patently was not done by the CIA with explosives. All claims have been thoroughly debunked yet there are still any number of people who will never believe it wasn't a conspiracy. Same with the moon landings or any other conspiracy topic you care to name.

How many carefully examine the stories to sort fact from fiction without an agenda? How many posters here have thoroughly researched the theories before jumping on the populist bandwagon?

Get a life, people! The Governments aren't all out to maim and kill their own citizens to use them as an excuse to invade other countries. Okay Syria and Nth Korea maybe excepted... :rolleyes:

[Katman]

Not a nut job as such, easily swayed perhaps, not enough intelligence to decipher fact from fiction. I have viewed all the photos posted on this thread (including provided links) and I conclude that...while some of the photos could be seen as 'vaguely convincing', my real life intelligence.... says otherwise.

With all due respect Mark, I'd pit my intelligence against yours any day.

[scumdog]

Bring on Nikki Haagar (or whatever his name is)

And throw in a grassy knoll or two...

[Katman]

Ah well, there you go. Ed's researched it.

Case closed.

[paturoa]

.....Seriously, these types of conspiracy theories are splashed all over the place whenever anything major happens like this. It is the "American way."

Nope, it is a minority and the "Internet way" not the merkin way.


Same with the moon landings or any other conspiracy topic you care to name.

Nope again, some conspiracy topics will be true. But which ones?

Too many conspiracies, have turned me into a conspiracy sceptic.

[Maha]

With all due respect Mark, I'd pit my intelligence against yours any day.

With all due respect Steve, this thread proves that statement, a fallacy.

[Katman]

With all due respect Steve, this thread proves that statement, a fallacy.

No, actually it's not a fallacy Mark.

I certainly would pit my intelligence against yours.

Perhaps you should research the definition of the word fallacy.

[Edbear]

Nope, it is a minority and the "Internet way" not the merkin way.

Nope again, some conspiracy topics will be true. But which ones?

Too many conspiracies, have turned me into a conspiracy sceptic.

Well the minority is a sizeable one for sure. I haven't seen a nation with so many anti-government protesters and theorists as the US. I have many friends over there and even some of them are prone to conspiracy theories.

If you dig deep enough you can generally sort the truth out. The problem with conspiracy theorists as that the Governments are too open and transparent wth too many opponents to everyone and everything to get such massive events done in secret by the CIA. They never answer the question, "Why?" either.

It is completely unneccesary for the US Government to do any such thing as bomb their own symbols or finance and power, or bomb a marathon and kill little children to do anything they want to the rest of the world. There is enough active terrorism going on by actual terrorists to ever need any other excuse.

Notice that no matter how many pictures or statements get debinked, the theorist always say "but", and point to something equally as idiotic.

Intelligent? My 1 year old Grandson has more intelligence in his little toe!

[Maha]

No, actually it's not a fallacy Mark.

I certainly would pit my intelligence against yours.

Perhaps you should research the definition of the word fallacy.

Fallacy is an error in reasoning that does not originate in improper logical form...clearly shown by one or two posters within this thread.....as you were.

[paturoa]

Fallacy is an error in reasoning that does not originate in improper logical form...clearly shown by one or two posters within this thread.....as you were.

Have you spelt that correctly? Should that not be phallacy?

[Edbear]

Have you spelt that correctly? Should that not be phallacy?

Or phallicy..?

[Katman]

With all due respect Steve, this thread proves that statement, a fallacy.


Fallacy is an error in reasoning that does not originate in improper logical form...clearly shown by one or two posters within this thread.....as you were.

Well, if you're going to insist on trying to give me an English lesson Mark, here's one for you.

Your post implies that my statement at post #74 is a fallacy.

It is certainly not a fallacy as I would most certainly be only too happy to pit my intelligence against yours.

[Madness]

I think the more pressing question for Maha is; Once Ed has ejaculated into your mouth, do you spit or swallow?

[wasiler]

What kind of complete idiot would post this garbage. People lost their lives and it is somewhat disgusting to have their name tarnished by such stupid assumptions. The OP is sitting behind the computer, with no evidence in hand, no witness statements, no forensics, no site visits, no interviews and no brain. Also, the younger brother has spilled the beans. Do you think they did not video tape his interview? That video will come out during the court case. If you have access to any of these, I would appreciate if you would provide the proof.

Also, please explain why the U.S. govt would do this? There is nothing to gain. They can't invade a country based on an Islamic lone wolf. They can't eradicate a religion because of a lone wolf. I know there are a lot of good muslims out there and I know the US govt knows this too. I will go by what the experts in the field have provided and not your your photoshop blurred images and people with an opinion. Opinions are like assholes. This happened in a crowded city streets with witnesses EVERYWHERE. The man that had his legs blown off positively identified the guy as the one that left the bag. He saw him do it. Yet you overlook that FACT. Do you think he had his legs removed for this event? Do you think that brought this guy out of a cave and no one has ever seen him before without legs? Do you honestly think someone is going to put down a bag on a crowded street and no one will see it? Oh, not to mention the hundreds of police officers that according to you are part of the "plot" to blow people up. I can only assume according to you that the MIT police officer commited suicide for the cause. They are more dedicated than I thought.

The facts are this guy had ties to Islam. There is the motive because a good number of Muslims hate Americans. The radicals hate jews and Christians because they are not of the same faith. Last I read, they did it because of the war in Iraq and Afghan. Is the U.S. going to invade Iraq again? No. they are trying to recover from a economic slow down and the last thing they need is another war. Wars are expensive. Muslims are also known for their techniques of killing with bombs wired to themselves and terrorists attacks. Such as the one in this event.

[gwigs]

Conspiracy theories.

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident
The assasination of JFK
Waco Texas
The Oklahoma Bomber
911.

All have unanswered questions ,all suspicious ,
I wouldnt trust the US Govt to tell the truth,not when the Govt is controlled by big corporations..
Not saying people werent killed or injured in Boston but what a great excuse for taking away more
freedoms from the American people and the sad thing is they will give up their freeedoms willingly
because they will have been frightened into it.
Yeah I,m very suspicious and dont believe everything I,m told otherwise Im might still believe in Santa.

[Madness]

What kind of complete idiot would post this garbage. People lost their lives and it is somewhat disgusting to have their name tarnished by such stupid assumptions. The OP is sitting behind the computer, with no evidence in hand, no witness statements, no forensics, no site visits, no interviews and no brain. Also, the younger brother has spilled the beans. Do you think they did not video tape his interview? That video will come out during the court case. If you have access to any of these, I would appreciate if you would provide the proof.

Also, please explain why the U.S. govt would do this? There is nothing to gain. They can't invade a country based on an Islamic lone wolf. They can't eradicate a religion because of a lone wolf. I know there are a lot of good muslims out there and I know the US govt knows this too. I will go by what the experts in the field have provided and not your your photoshop blurred images and people with an opinion. Opinions are like assholes. This happened in a crowded city streets with witnesses EVERYWHERE. The man that had his legs blown off positively identified the guy as the one that left the bag. He saw him do it. Yet you overlook that FACT. Do you think he had his legs removed for this event? Do you think that brought this guy out of a cave and no one has ever seen him before without legs? Do you honestly think someone is going to put down a bag on a crowded street and no one will see it? Oh, not to mention the hundreds of police officers that according to you are part of the "plot" to blow people up. I can only assume according to you that the MIT police officer commited suicide for the cause. They are more dedicated than I thought.

The facts are this guy had ties to Islam. There is the motive because a good number of Muslims hate Americans. The radicals hate jews and Christians because they are not of the same faith. Last I read, they did it because of the war in Iraq and Afghan. Is the U.S. going to invade Iraq again? No. they are trying to recover from a economic slow down and the last thing they need is another war. Wars are expensive. Muslims are also known for their techniques of killing with bombs wired to themselves and terrorists attacks. Such as the one in this event.

Great, innit?

[Katman]

Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

[gwigs]

Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

Have now, thanks Katman...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

Duh. They make woolly socks.

[gwigs]

Duh. They make woolly socks.


You should think about becoming a comedian...not.

[Maha]

Have you spelt that correctly? Should that not be phallacy?

So obvious that even Katman would trip over it.

[Katman]

So obvious that even Katman would trip over it.

:scratch:


.

[Edbear]

A careful read of the Wikipedia article shows no intention to cause human casualties except for a possiblility of wounding in one scene. The fact that the proposal was rejected out of sight shows the Government was totally against the idea. It was NOT the government but the military high ups who made the proposal.

"As the U.S. Department of Defense report noted:

Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation."[18]

The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: "The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo."[18]"

"The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, but was not implemented.

(Some fifty years later when asked about the plot by journalist David Talbot, Robert McNamara drew a blank. "I have absolutely zero recollection of it. But I sure as hell would have rejected it," McNamara said, adding, "I really can't believe that anyone was proposing such provocative acts in Miami. How stupid!"[22])"

So we can thank the US Government and President Kennedy for the fact that this scurrilous plan was NOT implemented.

[paturoa]

So obvious that even Katman would trip over it.

His dick is so big that he trips over it?

Edit: Just been back and had a look at both your posts, and suspect you're both having a my dick is bigger than yours contest.

[paturoa]

Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

I'd not heard of that one before.

Nut jobs are every where. Which is why we must insist on open and transparent governments and their agencies.

Shame we can't insist on open and transparent media as well!

[mashman]

Tis always a bit suspect when these sorts of things go on and some controversial legislation gets passed. It's also strange that 2 guys were arrested in Canada soon after the bombing and they were charged because they were planning a bombing. So with these known bad people being on the watchlist etc... why weren't they picked up before they supposedly blew something up? There are questions that could do with an answer however it's highly unlikely that any story the bomber comes out with, short of a confession, will be taken seriously. Until then there is reasonable doubt, imho, to suspect that it wasn't the 2 that got shot.

[Katman]

You write this....


A careful read of the Wikipedia article shows no intention to cause human casualties except for a possiblility of wounding in one scene.


....and then go on to quote this.....


The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States:

.....when you have absolutely no idea what form that attack might have taken - or the casualties that might have ensued.


Do you have a monkey bashing away at your keyboard?

[gwigs]

You write this....






Do you have a monkey bashing away at your keyboard?

Nice One HeHe......:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme

[mashman]

As for you'd have to be an idiot to believe that any government would do that to their own population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_Stat es)... yup, squeeky clean history :facepalm:

[Edbear]

You write this....



....and then go on to quote this.....



.....when you have absolutely no idea what form that attack might have taken - or the casualties that might have ensued.


Do you have a monkey bashing away at your keyboard?

Do you ever take anything in context? The fact remains that the US Government killed the plan, not planned it. I have really bitten my tongue so often here. I have tried to stick to facts and the actual point though. Not something you are very good at...

[Katman]

Do you ever take anything in context?

How is my previous post not in context?

[gwigs]

As for you'd have to be an idiot to believe that any government would do that to their own population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_Stat es)... yup, squeeky clean history :facepalm:
Mashman everyone needs to know all about this stuff , we have been lied to and bullshitted for years
its AKA propaganda....but subtle .....TV ..what a great propaganda tool...

[Katman]

Anyhow, back on topic.....

Can anyone explain how the guy in the hoodie, who crouches for a number of seconds directly over the just shattered stumps of a double blunt trauma amputee, can then be comfortably reclining some moments later, surprising devoid of blood soaked clothing?

Honestly, I'm open to explanations.

[Kickaha]

The Boston Bombing was just the start of what's coming
http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.co.nz/

[Madness]

I have really bitten my tongue so often here. I have tried to stick to facts and the actual point though.

Please Ed, don't hold back any longer and tell us what you really think.

[Edbear]

Please Ed, don't hold back any longer and tell us what you really think.

The most disturbing thing of all is not only that human brings can make such claims, but that so many other human beings are gullible enough to seriously believe them! :weird:

[Madness]

The most disturbing thing of all is not only that human brings can make such claims, but that so many other human beings are gullible enough to seriously believe them! :weird:

You're referring to religion I take it? I feel the same way Ed, croc of shit the lot of it.

[Katman]

The most disturbing thing of all is not only that human brings can make such claims, but that so many other human beings are gullible enough to seriously believe them! :weird:

Come on Ed, you must be an expert in arterial bleeding.

I'm sure you'll have read a book.

[Edbear]

You're referring to religion I take it? I feel the same way Ed, croc of shit the lot of it.


Come on Ed, you must be an expert in arterial bleeding.

I rest my case and withdraw to attend to threads where people with a measurable IQ post. As, it seems have others with a brain that works.

[paturoa]

The Boston Bombing was just the start of what's coming
http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.co.nz/

Big shit coming its true! But it is OK cos my seal buddy stopped it so it is all OK now.

That is brilliant, it is not able to be proved, and wont happen now.

Phew, for a second there I was really worried :laugh:

[Katman]

I rest my case and withdraw to attend to threads where people with a measurable IQ post. As, it seems have others with a brain that works.

Seriously Ed?

That doesn't sound like your usual self assured confidence.

[Madmax]

The Boston Bombing was just the start of what's coming
http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.co.nz/

Conspiracy
A recent federal court decision, in the District Court for the Southern District of New York (reported on Westlaw), 1993 WL 454256.


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Teri Smith TYLER, Plaintiff,
v.
James CARTER, William Clinton, Ross Perot, American Cyanamid, Iron Mountain Security Corporation, Defense Intelligence Agencty, IBM, David Rockerfeller [sic], Rockerfeller [sic] Fund, BCCI, NASA, Defendants.
No. 92 Civ. 8658 (CSH)
Nov. 5, 1993
BACKGROUND
Plaintiff Teri Smith Tyler, appearing pro se, filed a complaint in December 1992 alleging a bizarre conspiracy involving the defendants to enslave and oppress certain segments of our society. Plaintiff contends she is a cyborg, and that she received most of the information which forms the basis for her complaint, through ``proteus,'' which I read to be come silent, telepathic form of communication. ... She asserts that the defendants are involved in the ``Iron Mountain Plan,'' which provides for the reinstitutionalization of slavery and ``bloodsports'' (which she identifies as death-hunting and witchhunting), and the oppression of political dissidents, herself included. Plaintiff's complaint alleged a number of personal indignities visited upon her by defendants: ``strafing of my dormitory room by planes and helicopters, the electronic bugging of my student rooms and apartments, deliberate noise harassment, blasting of loud rock music with lyrics designed for witch-hunts (music about social pariahs) ... students following me around to prevent me from studying, whispering campaigns and social ostrification ...'' ... Plaintiff also makes the following allegations against the defendants. Former President Jimmy Carter was the secret head of the Ku Klux Klan; Bill Clinton is the biological son of Jimmy Carter; President Clinton and Ross Perot have made fortunes in the death-hunting industry, and are responsible for the murder of at least 10 million black women in concentration camps, their bodies sold for meat and their skin turned into leather products. The defendants are also responsible for breeding farms, which turn out 2,000 black girls a year, who are then sold for recreational murder or as human pets. Additionally, the defendants utilize weather control and earthquake technology to threaten other countries that object to the Iron Mountain Plan.
Plaintiff asks the Court to grant her the following relief:

$5.6 billion in compensatory and punitive damages;
A physical accounting of all black women born since 1940, including their present, whereabouts, and for those who have died, an investigation into how they died;
The purchase of land in Africa for the emigration of abused black women;
The bringing to justice of those responsible for the American holocaust;
An investigation into the foster care system, and a physical accounting of all black children placed into foster care;
An end to slavery in the United States;
The end of the cyborg program run by NASA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, American Cyanamid and IBM;
An end to the organ donor program
While plaintiff was trying to effect proper service of the summons and complaint on the defendants, she made a number of appeals to the Court for interim relief in the form of Orders to Show Cause. On January 20, 1993, she asked the Court to enjoin the inauguration of President Clinton. The Court denied her request as moot. In August, 1993, she moved to enjoin the installation of Louis Freeh as Director of the FBI on the ground that Clinton appointed Freeh only so Freeh could cover up evidence of Clinton's wrongdoing. That motion was denied, as it lacked a sufficient evidentiary basis.
Presently before the Court is an Order to Show Cause why the Court should not enjoin the trial in the World Trade Center bombing case, now proceeding in this Court before Judge Duffy. Plaintiff alleges that President Clinton ordered the bombing of the World Trade Center in order to justify war with Iraq. In support of her application, plaintiff describes certain ``proteus'' communications she had with other individuals. Plaintiff alleges that the United States invaded Panama and arrested General Noriega because Noriega objected to United States soldiers raiding Indian tribes in Central America for child sex slaves to torture in American cocaine based thrill-killing rackets. Plaintiff contends she wrote to Noriega asking him to join in her lawsuit, but that United States soldiers holding Noriega beat him when he asked for his mail.

Plaintiff asserts that in 1988, Rajiv Gandshi spoke to her through ``proteus'' and informed her that he was being held prisoner and sexually abused by a man whom he had caught stealing from the funds generated by the Bhopal disaster settlement. According to plaintiff, Yasser Arafat tried to confirm Ghandi's tale of abuse on behalf of the plaintiff, to no avail.

Plaintiff additionally contends that Gulf War against Iraq was undertaken so that American could restock its sexual slavery camps, which had been depleted. 40,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by the United States, selected for their physical attractiveness, have been brought to this country where they were ``being beaten, forced to run gauntlets and homosexually gang-raped by American soldiers.'' Plaintiff claims to have confronted Secretary of Defense Cheney with evidence of this allegation. Cheney, through ``proteus,'' purportedly told the plaintiff, ``Well, we were so sick and tiered of killing black girls. We just had to put some variety back into our death-hunting industry. And they [Persians] are incredibly beautiful. The beauty of the face heightens the pleasure of the kill. I know of no higher pleasure than the gang-rape of exceedingly beautiful people.''

Additionally, the plaintiff alleges that the Serbian government, the ``Nazi Bund,'' the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (``BCCI'') are also involved in the conspiracy.

Attached to plaintiff's papers, and apparently offered to support her claim, are a number of exhibits. Most prominent among the exhibits is a book by Robert Ellis Smith entitled ``Privacy: How To Protect What's Left Of It'' (1979), and a four page illustrated pamphlet advertising pornographic movies starring young men. Plaintiff has circled a number of photos of naked men who appear to be of Mediterranean or Latin American descent, which I interpret as her evidence that Iraqi and Central American men are enslaved in pornographic ``rackets'' ...



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The Court's Memorandum and Order goes on to explain why the Court is ordering the case dismissed ``sua sponte'' (meaning of the Court's own volition, without prompting by the defendants): because the plaintiff is barking mad and must not be allowed to waste public time and resources in this way.



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:eek:

[Madness]

I rest my case and withdraw to attend to threads where people talk in riddles about shit with no meaning or purpose, if you know what I mean.

You're not being much fun tonight Ed. I reckon the Boston Marathon bombing was in fact carried out under instructions from The Watchtower.

[gwigs]

The JW,s surely not.

[Katman]

Anyhow, back on topic.....

Can anyone explain how the guy in the hoodie, who crouches for a number of seconds directly over the just shattered stumps of a double blunt trauma amputee, can then be comfortably reclining some moments later, surprising devoid of blood soaked clothing?

Honestly, I'm open to explanations.

Okay, so an hour later and not one single (not even far fetched) explanation.

Can you people not see how some might see things as somewhat odd?

[Berries]

Napisan Plus?

[Katman]

Napisan Plus?

Hey, it's the best explanation so far.

[_Shrek_]

I only blindly believe my own shit.

You've got to admit though, there's some serious questions that need answering.

did you stop taking ya meds :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

did you stop taking ya meds :facepalm:

Maybe he just needs to take more of them

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/16889928/body-found-in-providence-river-identified-as-missing-student/

[oldrider]

It was the same people that faked the moon landings!

The moon landings were not fake, Greenpeace have been up there and checked it out!

They are appalled at the amount of rubbish left laying about by NASA's astronauts! .... Greenpeace are not impressed! :no:

[Katman]

Two hours later and Napisan Plus is still the winner.

[paturoa]

Okay, so an hour later and not one single (not even far fetched) explanation.

Can you people not see how some might see things as somewhat odd?

Do you mean the one with the shades on in the middle of this pic?

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/664/cache/boston-bombing-spectators-damage_66464_600x450.jpg

[Katman]

Do you mean the one with the shades on in the middle of this pic?



Yeah, him.

[paturoa]

NSFW


Here is one where is doesn't look too chipper.

http://www.jewishterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Fake-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-actor-scene-with-fake-blood.jpg

And our actor is doing a good job too.

[Katman]

So no-one's got nothing.

Thought as much.

[Berries]

Having read that link I thought Nick Vogt looked familiar. I promise this is not photoshopped.

[Katman]

Having read that link I thought Nick Vogt looked familiar. I promise this is not photoshopped.

Dude, you were winning with Napisan Plus.

There was no need to become silly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

NSFW


Here is one where is doesn't look too chipper.

http://www.jewishterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Fake-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-actor-scene-with-fake-blood.jpg

And our actor is doing a good job too.

Of hiding his legs? I reckon...

[Maha]

So no-one's got nothing.

Thought as much.

Translation...So no one has anything?

[Katman]

Wow, so you're multi-lingual as well as being a Mensa candidate?

[paturoa]

So no-one's got nothing.

Thought as much.

Looks to me like he is in stunned mullett mode.

What was the quesiton again?

[nodrog]

NSFW


Here is one where is doesn't look too chipper.

http://www.jewishterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Fake-Boston-Marathon-Bombing-actor-scene-with-fake-blood.jpg

And our actor is doing a good job too.

How come the dude that clearly has the biggest scratch isnt being attended too? And hes pretty fuckin tough, hes not even crying!

And whats the chick from mythbusters doing there?

[nodrog]

Do you mean the one with the shades on in the middle of this pic?

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/664/cache/boston-bombing-spectators-damage_66464_600x450.jpg

Hey, Mythbusters chick is in that photo too.

[paturoa]

Hey, Mythbusters chick is in that photo too.


How come the dude that clearly has the biggest scratch isnt being attended too? And hes pretty fuckin tough, hes not even crying!

And whats the chick from mythbusters doing there?

Carrie (sp?) would probably say this one is busted!

[paturoa]

Found one in context, the jacket / tan pants/ tan shoe guys in this pic. Who are they?


It would appear that these are National Guard peeps from a section called Civil Support Teams , link here http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams.html

So the "seals" part of the conspiracy also falls over.

[pete376403]

Interesting point raised by Glenn Greenwald in The Guardian - why is the Boston bombing being called terrorism when the Sandy Hook school massacre is just your regular "nut-with-a-gun" - seem the answer is the Tsarnaevs are muslim where Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) was not. Ergo, only muslims can be terrorists

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/17092-why-is-boston-terrorism-but-not-sandy-hook

[Laava]

Interesting point raised by Glenn Greenwald in The Guardian - why is the Boston bombing being called terrorism when the Sandy Hook school massacre is just your regular "nut-with-a-gun" - seem the answer is the Tsarnaevs are muslim where Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) was not. Ergo, only muslims can be terrorists

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/17092-why-is-boston-terrorism-but-not-sandy-hook

Political agenda?

[mashman]

Political agenda?

Exposing the bigoted truth for the sheeple to swallow coz they're fuckin morons?

[Laava]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10880084

Bit fucking late to be fabricating evidence isn't it?

By the way, if the plane had been flown into the building by, let's say, Bob from Walmart cos he is sick of being part of society, it would not be a terrorist action.
Unless Bob states that he is doing it on behalf of his country or religion.
AFAIK

[Kickaha]

It would appear that these are National Guard peeps from a section called Civil Support Teams , link here http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-men-witnessed-at-boston-bombing-identified-as-national-guard-cst-teams.html

So the "seals" part of the conspiracy also falls over.

No that's just a cover up as part of the conspiracy

[paturoa]

No that's just a cover up as part of the conspiracy

Could it be a triple subterfuge? Plant them to look like seals and then show up as CTS in later photos, but the got-ya is that they were in on it from the start. Clever!

[Katman]

Even if it was just an elaborate drill it would be entirely feasible that they would post a number of security type characters on the scene.

[Kickaha]

Plant them to look like seals

I dont think it was seals I think it was a Walrus and they're trying to pin the blame on the seals
http://www.worldcupblogger.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/cell-phone-walrus.jpg

[FJRider]

I dont think it was seals I think it was a Walrus and they're trying to pin the blame on the seals


You're telling us it smells fishier than it is ... ?? (I've never trusted the Walrus)

At least it wasn't the Butler that did it ...

[imdying]

Some people are hard to take seriously, they've already proven themselves gullible in the extreme...

<img src="http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1272333517104102.jpeg" />

[oldrider]

Critics are interesting ... I wonder if imdying will be remembered in one year let alone 2000 years from now? Funny old world isn't it! :shifty:

[imdying]

Critics are interesting ... I wonder if imdying will be remembered in one year let alone 2000 years from now? Funny old world isn't it! :shifty:Only if they figure out how to harness my effigy to manipulate people, take their money, or recruit people for war. It's a bit like Mickey Mouse, except that Micky Mouse has a better chance of actually having existed.

[oldrider]

I don't know that much about the guy but I do understand that he bore no ill will toward anybody and if somebody had informed him of your hatred, all he would do is forgive you!

I wonder how you would stack up if you were publicly compared to him and judged. ... Just saying, just saying! :confused:

[imdying]

I don't know that much about the guy but I do understand that he bore no ill will toward anybody and if somebody had informed him of your hatred, all he would do is forgive you!

I wonder how you would stack up if you were publicly compared to him and judged. ... Just saying, just saying! :confused:If I were imaginary, and the people that made me up could choose any attributes they liked, because anything else would be an unfair comparison, I expect I would stack up pretty well. Just saying!

[oldrider]

If I were imaginary, and the people that made me up could choose any attributes they liked, because anything else would be an unfair comparison, I expect I would stack up pretty well. Just saying!

Fair nough, just sayin. :lol:

Hard to say what's real and what's not,(Especially after 2,000 years!) guess it all comes down to personal choice in the end then! :yes:

[FJRider]

If I were imaginary, and the people that made me up could choose any attributes they liked, because anything else would be an unfair comparison, I expect I would stack up pretty well. Just saying!

I think most of us just believe you're a figment of your own imagination. And leave it at that ...

Some may not think even that highly of you.




Just saying ...

[Edbear]

Fair nough, just sayin. :lol:

Hard to say what's real and what's not,(Especially after 2,000 years!) guess it all comes down to personal choice in the end then! :yes:

I always recommend open-minded study starting with a neutral view as the best way to go. Seems some are incapable of such an exercise, much preferring to remain ignorant and opinionated and anti everything.

[blue rider]

I always recommend open-minded study starting with a neutral view as the best way to go. Seems some are incapable of such an exercise, much preferring to remain ignorant and opinionated and anti everything.

http://killingthebuddha.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/nudeskull.jpg

just for you Ed.

[Maha]

just for you Ed.

Thats given me an idea for the next L's Angels ride....:shifty:

[Katman]

I always recommend open-minded study starting with a neutral view as the best way to go.

You should try it some time Ed.

[scumdog]

I guess most have fortotten the original topic at this stage?

What next? - P.D.?

[Edbear]

I guess most have fortotten the original topic at this stage?

What next? - P.D.?

Like it should have been from the first post you mean?

[paturoa]

I guess most have fortotten the original topic at this stage?

What next? - P.D.?

Well, I'll take up that challenge. There are now heaps of pics of the "actor" with real legs. Go figure, who'd have expected that.

Hoddie and sunglasses man would now appear to be just another victim having a little lie down next to several other people in the direct bomb blast.

[FJRider]

I guess most have fortotten the original topic at this stage?

What next? - P.D.?

STILL time for Lesbians ... :devil2:

[mashman]

http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.3246861.6519/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

[oldrider]

And that's now considered to be an example of "normal behaviour" .... I feel sooooo inspired! :blip: Lets pass an act and make it legal! :niceone: The kids will love it! :hitcher:

[Crasherfromwayback]

And that's now considered to be an example of "normal behaviour" .... I feel sooooo inspired! :blip: Lets pass an act and make it legal! :niceone: The kids will love it! :hitcher:

You feel *threatened* by it?

[scumdog]

You look a lot more buffed than I imagined Mashy - well done!

[oldrider]

You feel *threatened* by it?

That's the supporters of this behaviour standard throw back line!

To each his/her own and tolerance toward it doesn't mean one has to like it and it's still not yet illegal to comment adversely about it! :doh:

[Edbear]

That's the supporters of this behaviour standard throw back line!

To each his/her own and tolerance toward it doesn't mean one has to like it and it's still not yet illegal to comment adversely about it! :doh:

Yup! Off topic, though, but yup! You'd think it was illegal to voice your opinion the way they react so violently and OTT! Publicly everyone has to be enthusiastic supporters or else!

[mashman]

You look a lot more buffed than I imagined Mashy - well done!

Cheers... noones complimented me on my pecs yet and I've been trying so hard :crybaby:. Talking of hard, I've got some special cream to rub into your knees iffen ye like :msn-wink:

[Katman]

You'd think it was illegal to voice your opinion the way they react so violently and OTT!

Much the same could be said about the topic of this thread.

[Banditbandit]

And that's now considered to be an example of "normal behaviour" .... I feel sooooo inspired! :blip: Lets pass an act and make it legal! :niceone: The kids will love it! :hitcher:


That's the supporters of this behaviour standard throw back line!

To each his/her own and tolerance toward it doesn't mean one has to like it and it's still not yet illegal to comment adversely about it! :doh:


Yup! Off topic, though, but yup! You'd think it was illegal to voice your opinion the way they react so violently and OTT! Publicly everyone has to be enthusiastic supporters or else!

Dancing in the streets??? or wearing those clothes ???

People have been dancing in the streets for many many years .. and you see people wearing much less on a beach any day ... what are you all saying ???

[oldrider]

Dancing in the streets??? or wearing those clothes ???

People have been dancing in the streets for many many years .. and you see people wearing much less on a beach any day ... what are you all saying ???

I am saying, it looks like a picture of gay pride parade (always over done, always tolerated beyond current law) but it could be anything and I "could" be mistaken!

Like I said, I may tolerate it but I don't have to like it and I am still legally allowed to have an opinion and express it! :shifty:

[Maki]

Shit just got unreal.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bostonbombingdidyouthink20apr13.shtml

Thanks Katman. I have not bothered to read the entire thread, but the responses I have read just go to prove how gullible people are in general. It is easy to lead and mislead those who want to be led and misled. Essentially most people want to believe the story they have been spoon fed because anything else would simply be too hard/inconvenient. It is just the way the world is and there is no use getting upset about it.

I just wish that people would think twice when someone tells them to pick up a gun and start killing other human beings for whatever reason.

[Edbear]

Right here is where the link blows its credibility right out the window.


"Watch the Youtube videos embedded near the bottom of this page for a common sense explanation of what is clearly a staged event. My guess is that no one was actually killed in the Boston Marathon "explosions.".

Yup the deaths were faked weren't they..? :weird:

Even a layman like me could tell the explosions weren't flash powder! How stupid do some people have to be to believe this garbage..?

[Banditbandit]

Right here is where the link blows its credibility right out the window.


"Watch the Youtube videos embedded near the bottom of this page for a common sense explanation of what is clearly a staged event. My guess is that no one was actually killed in the Boston Marathon "explosions.".

Yup the deaths were faked weren't they..? :weird:

Even a layman like me could tell the explosions weren't flash powder! How stupid do some people have to be to believe this garbage..?


That's 'Merika for you -- where Neil Armstrong did not land on the moon and Professional Wrestling is real ...

[Banditbandit]

I am saying, it looks like a picture of gay pride parade (always over done, always tolerated beyond current law) but it could be anything and I "could" be mistaken!

May well have been a Honda Riders' rally ..


Like I said, I may tolerate it but I don't have to like it and I am still legally allowed to have an opinion and express it! :shifty:

I don't particularly like people dancing in the streets wearing red shorts and yellow suspenders either ... but hey ... if that's their taste ..

[Katman]

I've no reason to believe that the bombing was not real, a friend of mine, a gent who was once a munitions expert with some of the worlds top elite units said to me last week that he first saw the bombing on TV and told his wife straight away that the explosions were gunpowder, not any sort of high tech explosive.
He'd know,and I've known him for more than 20 yrs.




Even a layman like me could tell the explosions weren't flash powder! How stupid do some people have to be to believe this garbage..?

Excuse my ignorance but is gunpowder similar to flash powder?

[gwigs]

Even a Layman like me knows that flash powder and gun powder are pretty much the same thing

[Edbear]

:blank:
Excuse my ignorance but is gunpowder similar to flash powder?

Your ignorance went way past excusable a long time ago.

I suppose you haven't even read half of the claims either.


Even a Layman like me knows that flash powder and gun powder are pretty much the same thing

You know very well what I was talking about or did you also only read the headlines?

[Katman]

:blank:

Your ignorance went way past excusable a long time ago.

I suppose you haven't even read half of the claims either.



You know very well what I was talking about or did you also only read the headlines?

Hang on a minute there Ed......

So we've got a supposed munitions expert that claims the blasts were definitely gunpowder explosions and we've got yourself (a self-proclaimed layman) saying that they were definitely not flash powder explosions.

Things just keep getting more and more confusinger.

[gwigs]

:blank:

Your ignorance went way past excusable a long time ago.

I suppose you haven't even read half of the claims either.



You know very well what I was talking about or did you also only read the headlines?


Dont call me ignorant...and dont tell me what I have and havent read....
If you cant tell the difference between flash and gun power it tells me you dont know shit.

[Edbear]

Hang on a minute there Ed......

So we've got a supposed munitions expert that claims the blasts were definitely gunpowder explosions and we've got yourself (a self-proclaimed layman) saying that they were definitely not flash powder explosions.

Things just keep getting more and more confusinger.


Dont call me ignorant...and dont tell me what I have and havent read....
If you cant tell the difference between flash and gun power it tells me you dont know shit.

You two really take the cake!

Quote!
"These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy.."

Three people, including an 8 year old boy were KILLED IN THE EXPLOSIONS!

Now tell me you're not ignorant and that you read everything! :weird:

[gwigs]

You got it wrong Ed..ignorant people are the ones who dont seek answers outside of what they are told,
People like you would have argued that the world wasnt round but flat.
Ignorant people just go with the flow...dont ask questions ..believe what your masters tell you..

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=Edbear;1130538439]You two really take the cake!

Quote!
"These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy.."

Niether me nor Katman has said this ....!

[Edbear]

[QUOTE=Edbear;1130538439]You two really take the cake!

Quote!
"These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy.."

Niether me nor Katman has said this ....!

I did, and this quote was to prove the idiot said it himself, and you guys started all this crap about gun powder etc.

You certainly don't let the facts or the topic get in the way of silliness in your efforts to justify your stance or to get at me personally.

By all means, avoid the facts and the point of the posts if it tickles your fancy, just don't expect it to gain you any cred.

[Katman]

I did, and this quote was to prove the idiot said it himself, and you guys started all this crap about gun powder etc.


Really?

I think you'll find it was first brought up in caseye's post on the first page.

[PrincessBandit]

STILL time for Lesbians ... :devil2:


[IMG]


And the Village People!! wooo hoooo!

shit that tasty Roarying Meg is impacting on my ability to tyupe

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130538455]

I did, and this quote was to prove the idiot said it himself, and you guys started all this crap about gun powder etc.

You certainly don't let the facts or the topic get in the way of silliness in your efforts to justify your stance or to get at me personally.

By all means, avoid the facts and the point of the posts if it tickles your fancy, just don't expect it to gain you any cred.
C'mon guys - this IS K.B. after all....2nd only to The Magic Rounabout in fantasy.

[bogan]

And we all know KB is really just about people using 'facts' to try and get at Ed :rolleyes: Self impotent much?

[FJRider]

shit that tasty Roarying Meg is impacting on my ability to tyupe

You're not drinking enough then. Keep drinking until you have no ability to type.

Then try to stop .... or fall over. Whichever works best for you.

[Edbear]

Really?

I think you'll find it was first brought up in caseye's post on the first page.

Keep digging. Caseye didn't mention the loser's quote IIRC.


[QUOTE=Edbear;1130538490]
C'mon guys - this IS K.B. after all....2nd only to The Magic Rounabout in fantasy.

Compared to this thread, even The Magic Roundabout has more credibility... :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're not drinking enough then. Keep drinking until you have no ability to type.

.

Yeah. You've only ever had enough to drink when it's your face doing the typing!:headbang:

[gwigs]

And we all know KB is really just about people using 'facts' to try and get at Ed :rolleyes: Self impotent much?

Self Impotent...isnt that when you cant even get yourself hard...:killingme:killingme

[bogan]

Yeah. You've only ever had enough to drink when it's your face doing the typing!:headbang:

Just watch out for that backspace key, she's a real eye opener...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just watch out for that backspace key, she's a real eye opener...

Hate that too...

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[Katman]

Keep digging. Caseye didn't mention the loser's quote IIRC.


Come on Ed, you're being deliberately dense.

Caseye's post stated that his munitions expert friend believed the explosion to be a gunpowder blast.

I have simply asked whether a gunpowder blast is the same thing as a flash powder blast.

[Edbear]

Come on Ed, you're being deliberately dense.

Caseye's post stated that his munitions expert friend believed the explosion to be a gunpowder blast.

I have simply asked whether a gunpowder blast is the same thing as a flash powder blast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_powder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder

Why don't you ask the conspiracy theorist?

[Katman]

Even a layman like me could tell the explosions weren't flash powder! How stupid do some people have to be to believe this garbage..?

So what do flash powder explosions look like Ed?

[scissorhands]

Prime TV's 60 min is interviewing the Boston cops at 9.35pm

[240]

Shit Katman I have always rated you as a guy who makes comments that when you read what you are saying are inflammatory but often true.
However man what the fuck are you on about here .,people died mate this actually Is real life and it ain't funny.
What do you get out of claiming this? What is your actual point?

[Katman]

What do you get out of claiming this? What is your actual point?

Claiming what? I haven't made any claims.

I've provided a link to a site that suggests that not all is as it seems.

If you're prepared to blindly accept everything the media tells you, that's your business.

Personally, if there are things that seem odd to me I prefer to ask questions.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've provided a link to a site that suggests that not all is as it seems.


Personally, if there are things that seem odd to me I prefer to ask questions.

So what's your take on things so far? Has anyone asked you that? I can't be arsed going through all 14 odd pages...

[Katman]

Well Pete, my gut feeling suggests that we may well be looking at a couple of guys being set up here.

Video and photos of the event prior to the explosions have shown a number of people carrying similar backpacks (and no, I'm not talking about the National Guard guys) who would appear to be every bit as worthy of investigation as the two brothers. However, within a very short space of time after the explosions we have the FBI saying that the photos of the brothers are the only ones that the public should concern themselves with - almost like they knew who they were going to pin it on from the start.

On the 60 minutes segment last night the Boston Police Commissioner said they viewed all the footage and immediately identified the younger brother as being of interest because he was running away from the blast area with a calm look on his face. If he's comfortable making that call from the photo he viewed then I don't see why anyone else should feel less comfortable over making any of their conspiracy claims.

As for the suggestion that the injured are actors, there's still a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. For a start there seems to be countless examples of torn clothing that don't appear to show any injury underneath. Was it perhaps a staged drill that hasn't gone entirely according to plan?

[Edbear]

:brick: :weird: :facepalm:

[oneofsix]

an interesting view point and possibly not too far from the truth. I don't think they are being "set-up" as in they are innocent and being framed but would entertain the possibility that they are being "used".

As to the torn clothing there has already been outrage over a publication have cleaned up photos of an injured person so as not to shock there audience so this is one possible explanation and so is the point that clothing can sustain damage without the person wearing it being hurt as in people having their clothing "blown off" in explosions but surviving.

I would suspect they knew about these two before the event but, as with 9/11 they didn't consider them that great a risk until after the bombs went off and then they went looking for who on the risk list was there. Rather than the back packs identifying them as possible suspects more a case of possible suspects wearing pack backs of the type used and then seen to be running just before the bang.

yes there is more to this than we will be willingly told but I wouldn't go to USA Govt conspiracy to carry out the bombing. Conspiracy in trying to derive a benefit for a Govt Dept from a tragic event that has happened - possibly.

[Katman]

:brick: :weird: :facepalm:

What's the matter Ed?

Is your monkey not capable of bashing out any words today?

[Edbear]

What's the matter Ed?

Is your monkey not capable of bashing out any words today?

There are no words left. :weird: :stupid:

[mashman]

Was it perhaps a staged drill that hasn't gone entirely according to plan?

Quite possibly... (http://www.naturalnews.com/039926_Boston_marathon_bombing_terrorism.html)

And the linky from the other thread (http://www.infowars.com/boston-to-deploy-mass-casualty-tablet-device-during-marathon/)... the original tracking back to Firehouse.com... Some eagle eyes have noted the sign below the lady on the gurney that says Firehouse Subs Well Done!

Something is stinky and it's the official story with 1 guy being dead and another being held for something I'm not overly convinced they did.

[oneofsix]

Truth is the first casualty of war. Applies equally to all sides. I see no more truth in the conspiracies than the official story. As a whole the official story would be closest but not the whole nor nothing but the truth. Some parts of some of the other versions may flag holes in the official story.

[Paul in NZ]

I can already sense that no matter what anyone says or proves counter to the ‘something stinks’ conspiracy thinkers – the response will be something about being a complacent sheeple or some such trite rubbish. Sorry but I trend very much towards the official line here.

Basically it comes down to this. Either you have to have some faith in western democracy or you have zero trust. Having zero trust is becoming a popular stance and is likely to end in tears. This is not to say that governments – or at least people who hold high office - are always truthful. They have been proved to be liars time and time again.

HOWEVER in cases like this – western governments are usually proved to be truthful or at least honestly mistaken. And that is utterly understandable given the difficulty in finding the guilty party in what is a fairly random act amongst a huge crowd of people. Sure one of these guys was on an alert list but it’s a bloody big list and not even the good old USA has the manpower to follow everyone on the list 24/7 or indeed the will to do so.

A drill that went wrong? A fit up of two innocent guys? Come off it – no way! One thing America breeds faster than heavily armed malcontents with a strong local school attraction is people willing to rat out the officials for their 15 minutes of network fame and a healthy appearance fee. Be it a cover up or a conspiracy SO MANY people would have to be involved there is NO WAY it could be kept secret.

Inconsistent injuries in a home made bomb blast? Yup - perfectly normal - its a home made bomb in a pot FFS - anything can happen... Even factory made bombs are not always consistent. Thats life - random shit happens if you have a large sample. People fall out of airplanes and survive without parachutes... I guess that given a large enough sample of humanity we will have enough conspiracy fans here as well (I suspect survivors from previous falls)

[Katman]

Basically it comes down to this. Either you have to have some faith in western democracy or you have zero trust. Having zero trust is becoming a popular stance and is likely to end in tears. This is not to say that governments – or at least people who hold high office - are always truthful. They have been proved to be liars time and time again.


I imagine that blind faith in the integrity of western democracy is precisely what they're relying on.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domestic_terror_plots_FBI.html

[Katman]

And for clarification, this is the photo that the Boston Police Commissioner said aroused their suspicion due to the fact that the guy looks calm.

<img src="http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/51708b9becad048718000006-960/boston-suspect-2-red.jpg"/>

[Crasherfromwayback]

And for clarification, this is the photo that the Boston Police Commissioner said aroused their suspicion due to the fact that the guy looks calm.

>

Where's his backpack gone?

[scumdog]

Well Pete, my gut feeling suggests that we may well be looking at a couple of guys being set up here.

Video and photos of the event prior to the explosions have shown a number of people carrying similar backpacks (and no, I'm not talking about the National Guard guys) who would appear to be every bit as worthy of investigation as the two brothers. However, within a very short space of time after the explosions we have the FBI saying that the photos of the brothers are the only ones that the public should concern themselves with - almost like they knew who they were going to pin it on from the start.

On the 60 minutes segment last night the Boston Police Commissioner said they viewed all the footage and immediately identified the younger brother as being of interest because he was running away from the blast area with a calm look on his face. If he's comfortable making that call from the photo he viewed then I don't see why anyone else should feel less comfortable over making any of their conspiracy claims.

As for the suggestion that the injured are actors, there's still a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. For a start there seems to be countless examples of torn clothing that don't appear to show any injury underneath. Was it perhaps a staged drill that hasn't gone entirely according to plan?

Maybe you're right - maybe not.:confused:

But regardless, I think it's time you glued on the foil helmet.<_<

[imdying]

:brick: :weird: :facepalm:You have an imaginary friend, you're not in a position to poke fun about anyones beliefs.

[oneofsix]

Where's his backpack gone?

The cheep bloody backpack flew to pieces - go figure. He doesn't look half as concerned as those around him.

[Katman]

Where's his backpack gone?

I'm not saying that he didn't leave a backpack behind Pete, I'm suggesting that the Police Commissioner's choice of words in the 60 Minutes interview saying "he aroused our suspicion due to the fact that he looked calm", is odd.

He didn't say "he aroused our suspicion because he now doesn't appear to have a backpack".

And in fact, all the other photos of this suspect show him with the backpack slung only over his right shoulder - which just happens to be the shoulder facing away from the camera in the photo that 'aroused suspicion'. Not necessarily conclusive evidence that he now doesn't have his backpack.

[Katman]

Why wasn't this guy of interest to the police?

<img src="http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-revealed-011.jpg"/>

[mashman]

The cheep bloody backpack flew to pieces - go figure. He doesn't look half as concerned as those around him.

Unlike the guy in the MIT top. Or the guy standing to the right of frame. Or the bald guy in the doorway looking at the guy fiddling with his dick. Or the woman that looks like she's walking the dog and surrounding folk. Or the people in the background facing to where the explosion was. Hell of a gap between the suspect and the crowd behind him as I would have thought the pavement would have been jammed with people trying to get away.

[mashman]

I can already sense that no matter what anyone says or proves counter to the ‘something stinks’ conspiracy thinkers – the response will be something about being a complacent sheeple or some such trite rubbish. Sorry but I trend very much towards the official line here.

Basically it comes down to this. Either you have to have some faith in western democracy or you have zero trust. Having zero trust is becoming a popular stance and is likely to end in tears. This is not to say that governments – or at least people who hold high office - are always truthful. They have been proved to be liars time and time again.

HOWEVER in cases like this – western governments are usually proved to be truthful or at least honestly mistaken. And that is utterly understandable given the difficulty in finding the guilty party in what is a fairly random act amongst a huge crowd of people. Sure one of these guys was on an alert list but it’s a bloody big list and not even the good old USA has the manpower to follow everyone on the list 24/7 or indeed the will to do so.

A drill that went wrong? A fit up of two innocent guys? Come off it – no way! One thing America breeds faster than heavily armed malcontents with a strong local school attraction is people willing to rat out the officials for their 15 minutes of network fame and a healthy appearance fee. Be it a cover up or a conspiracy SO MANY people would have to be involved there is NO WAY it could be kept secret.

Inconsistent injuries in a home made bomb blast? Yup - perfectly normal - its a home made bomb in a pot FFS - anything can happen... Even factory made bombs are not always consistent. Thats life - random shit happens if you have a large sample. People fall out of airplanes and survive without parachutes... I guess that given a large enough sample of humanity we will have enough conspiracy fans here as well (I suspect survivors from previous falls)

baaaaaaaa.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why wasn't this guy of interest to the police?

>

That guy looks to be holding his bag in front of him. Perhaps after retrieving something from it.

[Katman]

He doesn't look half as concerned as those around him.

The woman in the bottom left corner of this photo is the same woman in the series of photos taken immediately after, and at the epicentre of, the blast.

She doesn't look overly traumatised for someone who's just been through what she has.

<img src="http://c7.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-bombing.jpg"/>

[Katman]

That guy looks to be holding his bag in front of him. Perhaps after retrieving something from it.

Or perhaps getting ready to discard it?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or perhaps getting ready to discard it?

We'll never know.

[Banditbandit]

You all do know that the proof that there is a conspriacy going on is that you can't see it ..

If you can see it ... it is not a conspiracy ...

(Jus' repeating what a conspiracy freak told me ...)



http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Conspiracy-Keanu-Reeves-On-Losing-Your-Train-Of-Thought.png

[Maha]

Why wasn't this guy of interest to the police?



Because the FBI knew who they were looking for, thats why they (the FBI) were inside an apartment and removing personal belongings of whoever lived there, the night of the explosion.
Not everyone who was wearing a cap/backpack on the day was a suspect, the interest lay with two only.

Just an educated theory.

[Katman]

Because the FBI knew who they were looking for, thats why they (the FBI) were inside an apartment and removing personal belongings of whoever lived there, the night of the explosion.
Not everyone who was wearing a cap/backpack on the day was a suspect, the interest lay with two only.

Just an educated theory.

Almost like they knew exactly where to go looking.

[Maha]

Almost like they knew exactly where to go looking.

Yes, but by way of a tip off that they did not take seriously.
I said to Anne the night I saw that on the news ''that was quick, it's almost like they knew where to go looking'', maybe they had prior warning.

[Laava]

The woman in the bottom left corner of this photo is the same woman in the series of photos taken immediately after, and at the epicentre of, the blast.

She doesn't look overly traumatised for someone who's just been through what she has.

<img src="http://c7.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-bombing.jpg"/>

So there is a photo of a woman with a not traumatised look on her face. And this is the same look she has in ALL the photos of her?

[Katman]

So there is a photo of a woman with a not traumatised look on her face. And this is the same look she has in ALL the photos of her?

You'll note that my reference to that photo was actually in reply to oneofsix's claim at post #215 that a conclusion of guilt could be assumed from the look on the face of the fleeing younger brother.

[Katman]

Having said that, I'm surprised that she's still on the scene a considerable time after the blast.

With the number of emergency personnel in the photo you'd expect that she'd have been asked to move away from the area.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Having said that, I'm surprised that she's still on the scene a considerable time after the blast.

With the number of emergency personnel in the photo you'd expect that she'd have been asked to move away from the area.

She's obviously greedy and simply can't get enough.

[Katman]

She's looking for any dropped hotdogs.

[Berries]

This guy looks as guilty as fuck.

And no backpack.

[scumdog]

This guy looks as guilty as fuck.

And no backpack.

Not to say how pleased he looks with himself.

And using UN colours as a disguise, how distasteful...

[oneofsix]

You'll note that my reference to that photo was actually in reply to oneofsix's claim at post #215 that a conclusion of guilt could be assumed from the look on the face of the fleeing younger brother.

that is a bit of a strawman kattie, no wonder you get on so well with Ed. I was replying to your claim over the commissioner's comments on the look on his face but I actually pointed out that his face was only a final small clue added to the other larger ones pointed him out. But hay don't let details stand in the way of the conspiracy theory :laugh:

[Laava]

You'll note that my reference to that photo was actually in reply to oneofsix's claim at post #215 that a conclusion of guilt could be assumed from the look on the face of the fleeing younger brother.

Ah! That went over my head.

[oneofsix]

Not to say how pleased he looks with himself.

And using UN colours as a disguise, how distasteful...

where is his communist coloured mate and the yellow belly? totally a conspiracy at work.

[scissorhands]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1uw1j3uyM4

[mashman]

I can already sense that no matter what anyone says or proves counter to the ‘something stinks’ conspiracy thinkers – the response will be something about being a complacent sheeple or some such trite rubbish. Sorry but I trend very much towards the official line here.

Basically it comes down to this. Either you have to have some faith in western democracy or you have zero trust. Having zero trust is becoming a popular stance and is likely to end in tears. This is not to say that governments – or at least people who hold high office - are always truthful. They have been proved to be liars time and time again.

HOWEVER in cases like this – western governments are usually proved to be truthful or at least honestly mistaken. And that is utterly understandable given the difficulty in finding the guilty party in what is a fairly random act amongst a huge crowd of people. Sure one of these guys was on an alert list but it’s a bloody big list and not even the good old USA has the manpower to follow everyone on the list 24/7 or indeed the will to do so.

A drill that went wrong? A fit up of two innocent guys? Come off it – no way! One thing America breeds faster than heavily armed malcontents with a strong local school attraction is people willing to rat out the officials for their 15 minutes of network fame and a healthy appearance fee. Be it a cover up or a conspiracy SO MANY people would have to be involved there is NO WAY it could be kept secret.

Inconsistent injuries in a home made bomb blast? Yup - perfectly normal - its a home made bomb in a pot FFS - anything can happen... Even factory made bombs are not always consistent. Thats life - random shit happens if you have a large sample. People fall out of airplanes and survive without parachutes... I guess that given a large enough sample of humanity we will have enough conspiracy fans here as well (I suspect survivors from previous falls)

Everything is a conspiracy unless it can be proven. What's worse, the bombing, or this (http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116)? Moral of the story. There are people in places where it's nigh on impossible to get caught out and until they do, they'll do ANYTHING for money, including killing people that they don't know or even care about. So whilst I appreciate your point of view and agree with you in regards to trust etc... trust and respect has to be earned... and given the way TPTB conduct their business i.e. govts withholding information about ANYTHING at all for business advantage or security purposes (it has all been paid for by the public) then they will earn neither from me. They seek and hold these positions of responsibility for a reason and it's not to serve people. But by all means call me a conspiracy fan, so long as you don't mind me pointing the finger at you (you know the one) and calling you an gullible fool also. Fuckers is fuckers and they run the world no question about it!

[Katman]

Another interesting watch.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/11/29/battleground-training-amputee-actors?clusterId=#videoplayer

[Paul in NZ]

Everything is a conspiracy unless it can be proven. What's worse, the bombing, or this (http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116)? Moral of the story. There are people in places where it's nigh on impossible to get caught out and until they do, they'll do ANYTHING for money, including killing people that they don't know or even care about. So whilst I appreciate your point of view and agree with you in regards to trust etc... trust and respect has to be earned... and given the way TPTB conduct their business i.e. govts withholding information about ANYTHING at all for business advantage or security purposes (it has all been paid for by the public) then they will earn neither from me. They seek and hold these positions of responsibility for a reason and it's not to serve people. But by all means call me a conspiracy fan, so long as you don't mind me pointing the finger at you (you know the one) and calling you an gullible fool also. Fuckers is fuckers and they run the world no question about it!


Isnt this the whole point of what I'm saying?

Eventually the system roots these fuckers out. Yes it can take an unacceptably long time because the system trusts and relies on Judges to be straight up and usually they are...

As for doing anything for money - its far worse than that. People can end up doing anything for well - anything... Religion, money, sex, fame or even some kind of sketchy ethnic unhappiness or grudge. You name it - it can be a reason to kill maim and generally behave like an arsehole. The western democracies (in general) have pretty good systems of checks and balances to keep it all in check. Its not perfect but it works better than it does in snackbaristan and yet everyone wants to blow it up and tear it down because its not perfect... I just think its a case of being very careful what you wish for...

[mashman]

Isnt this the whole point of what I'm saying?

Eventually the system roots these fuckers out. Yes it can take an unacceptably long time because the system trusts and relies on Judges to be straight up and usually they are...

As for doing anything for money - its far worse than that. People can end up doing anything for well - anything... Religion, money, sex, fame or even some kind of sketchy ethnic unhappiness or grudge. You name it - it can be a reason to kill maim and generally behave like an arsehole. The western democracies (in general) have pretty good systems of checks and balances to keep it all in check. Its not perfect but it works better than it does in snackbaristan and yet everyone wants to blow it up and tear it down because its not perfect... I just think its a case of being very careful what you wish for...

I wasn't too sure tbh.

The thing is though it's the system that breeds them. Take a look at the kiddy fiddler hunts in the UK. Whilst there may well be systems in place and there may well be people getting caught, how many are getting away with it? I'm exceptionally unhappy about that. It's just not good enough. I don't want the system torn down, I want it phased out and replaced with something that offers less reasons to commit fucked up acts towards others. I ain't looking for perfection as I'm more than aware that that is improbable, but we can do better... and not just slightly better either. I've got that faith in humanity that you're talking about, I always will have, but we only go in the direction that we're being led and currently that direction is one where TPTB can be bought. That can be remedied.

[Paul in NZ]

I wasn't too sure tbh.

The thing is though it's the system that breeds them. Take a look at the kiddy fiddler hunts in the UK. Whilst there may well be systems in place and there may well be people getting caught, how many are getting away with it? I'm exceptionally unhappy about that. It's just not good enough. I don't want the system torn down, I want it phased out and replaced with something that offers less reasons to commit fucked up acts towards others. I ain't looking for perfection as I'm more than aware that that is improbable, but we can do better... and not just slightly better either. I've got that faith in humanity that you're talking about, I always will have, but we only go in the direction that we're being led and currently that direction is one where TPTB can be bought. That can be remedied.

There isnt a system EVER that has managed to detect people like kiddie fiddlers before they do something nasty.

All systems require some kind of buy in from the general populace (ie voluntary compliance) and in general cannot cope with people who deliberately decide to act badly. ie if you decide to ride your bike faster than 100kph and are very very cunning and secretive about where and when you do it you are highly unlikely to get caught. The same if you were a very clever and patient criminal and were very selective about your criminal act - good chance you will get away with it...

Thats where compliance with a societies laws, ethic's, manners and personal responsibility come into play and allow societies to flourish with out repressive supervision. And thats the danger I see in all these conspiracy ideas. They errode faith in 'the system' which in general works quite well....

[Katman]

Thats where compliance with a societies laws, ethic's, manners and personal responsibility come into play and allow societies to flourish with out repressive supervision. And thats the danger I see in all these conspiracy ideas. They errode faith in 'the system' which in general works quite well....

And it is the responsibility of the masses to ensure that TPTB comply with those same laws & ethics.

You yourself have already stated that TPTB are often guilty of grossly overstepping that line.

Only by intense scrutiny of anything that 'stinks' are we likely to maintain clean and positive governance.

[Edbear]

Notable is that those most vocal in thier criticism of TPTB are not willing to do anything positive about it. Just keyboard warriors with the smugness of sitting back in their arm chairs and not actualy doing anything to improve the situation.

You don't like the Govt.? So show us how it should be done, BE the Govt.! BE the Policeman/woman, the lawyer the judge!

Put your money where your large mouths are and get some credibility for your bluster and angst. :doh:

[Katman]

Notable is that those most vocal in thier criticism of TPTB are not willing to do anything positive about it. Just keyboard warriors with the smugness of sitting back in their arm chairs and not actualy doing anything to improve the situation.

You don't like the Govt.? So show us how it should be done, BE the Govt.! BE the Policeman/woman, the lawyer the judge!

Put your money where your large mouths are and get some credibility for your bluster and angst. :doh:

That's not how it works Ed.

As I said, it's the responsibility of the masses to keep governments honest.

[Edbear]

That's not how it works Ed.

As I said, it's the responsibility of the masses to keep governments honest.

Sounds like a great Tui ad...

[Katman]

Sounds like a great Tui ad...

No, a great Tui ad would be.....

They must be telling the truth - they're the government.

[oneofsix]

No, a great Tui ad would be.....

They must be telling the truth - they're the government.

You bet me to it. I was thinking along the lines, the Government will stay honest without public overview.

Puts you in mind of Dot Com, GCSB CEO selection, etc.

That said I don't think the Boston Bombing was a Government set-up.

[Edbear]

"The Government" is made up of people, and people are people, not some weird alien race with an agenda.

Most politicians enter politics because they want to change things for the better, to improve the lives of the citizens of the country, not to rape and pillage the rights of people for their own ends. What ends?

Government is two processes - putting in place "stuff" that will grow the economy and improve the lives of its citizens, and on the other hand, reacting - yes it is a reactionary process - to crime and violence in an attempt to curb it for the security of those same citizens.

So if you want to blame someone for the erosion of freedoms, blame those who cause the reaction in the first place. The Government has far better things to spend its time and money on than trying to cope with the stupidity and criminal actions of its citizens.

Also notable is the lack of serious and practical suggestions for doing so by these keyboard warriors.