How not to fly a plane

[mashman]

Fuckin 'ell (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/16960113/plane-crash-caught-on-video/#) :shit:

[Usarka]

Holey moley. That's the reason planes don't take off that steep at civilian airports.....

[Grizzo]

Yeah, frickken crazy dude.
Must be those naughty terrorists again:msn-wink:

[huff3r]

Holey moley. That's the reason planes don't take off that steep at civilian airports.....

It wasn't taking off steep. It had an aft Centre of Gravity, due to a load shifting, the pilot was probably pushing the stick as far forward as it went, but when the balance is out.... well there's no going back.

[Usarka]

It wasn't taking off steep. It had an aft Centre of Gravity, due to a load shifting, the pilot was probably pushing the stick as far forward as it went, but when the balance is out.... well there's no going back.

I'd be very surprised if they're doing standard climbouts from Bagram airforce base in Afghanistan.....

[Laava]

On teh news they said that al quaeda have claimed responsibility!

[Virago]

I reckon the Merkin Guvmint is behind it.

See the date on the video? - It actually happened four months ago. There were no real witnesses - they were all Guvmint Ajunts - that's why it has taken so long to leak out.

That were no real plane. If you look carefully you can see the back-pack bombs strapped underneath it, and the Jewish Star of David angle of the wings - real 747s aren't like that. Note that it exploded a split-second before it hit the ground.

See all the black smoke? That were a flash grenade - real AvGas don't burn like that.

Before that, it just hung in mid-air for ages - real planes don't do that.

Note that the guy who just happened to be filming it, and seemed quite calm? CIA.









P/T

[scumdog]

I reckon the Merkin Guvmint is behind it.

See the date on the video? - It actually happened four months ago. There were no real witnesses - they were all Guvmint Ajunts - that's why it has taken so long to leak out.

That were no real plane. If you look carefully you can see the back-pack bombs strapped underneath it, and the Jewish Star of David angle of the wings - real 747s aren't like that. Note that it exploded a split-second before it hit the ground.

See all the black smoke? That were a flash grenade - real AvGas don't burn like that.

Before that, it just hung in mid-air for ages - real planes don't do that.

Note that the guy who just happened to be filming it, and seemed quite calm? CIA.


P/T


'Must spread etc' - I bet SOMEBODY believes ya!

[mashman]

I reckon the Merkin Guvmint is behind it.

See the date on the video? - It actually happened four months ago. There were no real witnesses - they were all Guvmint Ajunts - that's why it has taken so long to leak out.

That were no real plane. If you look carefully you can see the back-pack bombs strapped underneath it, and the Jewish Star of David angle of the wings - real 747s aren't like that. Note that it exploded a split-second before it hit the ground.

See all the black smoke? That were a flash grenade - real AvGas don't burn like that.

Before that, it just hung in mid-air for ages - real planes don't do that.

Note that the guy who just happened to be filming it, and seemed quite calm? CIA.









P/T

I'll go see what legislation has just been put through.

Mayday mayday? or Durka Durka plane not Wurka?

[huff3r]

I'd be very surprised if they're doing standard climbouts from Bagram airforce base in Afghanistan.....

I don't see why not, it takes regular civilian traffic. Airlines don't like wasting money/fuel on unnecessary steep climbouts. And with no attacks on or near the base for just over 2 years...

But it'd be climbing steep anyway if it was light on cargo... however the apparent steepness of the climb in the video was because it was approaching a stall, and was reported to be a sudden pitch up. The normal climb was not captured in that video...

[Brett]

If you watch really closely, at 14 seconds you can see heavy machine gun fire...

[Laava]

Plus there is a lot of chemtrails happening on the landing. Makes you spit doesn't it?

[Usarka]

I don't see why not, it takes regular civilian traffic. Airlines don't like wasting money/fuel on unnecessary steep climbouts. And with no attacks on or near the base for just over 2 years...

But it'd be climbing steep anyway if it was light on cargo... however the apparent steepness of the climb in the video was because it was approaching a stall, and was reported to be a sudden pitch up. The normal climb was not captured in that video...

Is this based on any actual experience/qualification with aviation, or just what you've read on youtube and stuff.co.nz?

[huff3r]

Is this based on any actual experience/qualification with aviation, or just what you've read on youtube and stuff.co.nz?

I have a PPL, CPL, MEIR; and all ATPL theory subjects completed. ATPL by the way stands for Air Transport Pilots Licence. So I guess I'm a little qualified to make comment. Only a little though.

Yourself?

[Tigadee]

Thank you for flying Taliban Airlines, where every take-off brings you closer to Allah.

Question: When Arabs have sex, do they yell "Oh Allah! Yes, yes Mohammed!"?

[imdying]

I'd go along with that; 747s don't fall sideways unless they're deep in a stall :laugh:

Experience: Practising 737-400 flights into the Beehive on MS Flight Sim :bleh:

[Paul in NZ]

I think it was either the pilot accidentally flicked the kill switch or the side stand switch was faulty...

Not to make light of 7 deaths btw - pretty shitty thing to happen and isnt it astonishing the shit that gets captured by dash cams...

[Banditbandit]

I reckon the Merkin Guvmint is behind it.

See the date on the video? - It actually happened four months ago. There were no real witnesses - they were all Guvmint Ajunts - that's why it has taken so long to leak out.

That were no real plane. If you look carefully you can see the back-pack bombs strapped underneath it, and the Jewish Star of David angle of the wings - real 747s aren't like that. Note that it exploded a split-second before it hit the ground.

See all the black smoke? That were a flash grenade - real AvGas don't burn like that.

Before that, it just hung in mid-air for ages - real planes don't do that.

Note that the guy who just happened to be filming it, and seemed quite calm? CIA.



P/T

And between 25 and 28 seconds you can see an ejection seat just above the fireball .. the CIA have tried to remove it from the pictures, but it is clearly visible for one or two seconds flashing in and out of the picture - they have missed a couple of frames and not removed it completely ...

Some of the plane's landing gear is still down. You can clearly see at 23 seconds the nose wheel is down .. despite having climbed off the airfield, the pilot has left the gear down so the plane is not going too fast when the crew bails out ...

And then at 37 - 40 seconds a green 'Merikan army truck with no markings goes passed - running pretty fast ... All the other traffic has stopped except this truck, which comes close to the fire and can't have missed the crash ... why didn't the truck stop? Because this is the truck that has picked up the flight crew after they ejected from the plane. They used this dumpster truck so the crew could easily parachute straight into the back .. and make a faster get away ...

[Paul in NZ]

And then at 37 - 40 seconds a green 'Merikan army truck with no markings goes passed - running pretty fast ... All the other traffic has stopped except this truck, which comes close to the fire and can't have missed the crash ... why didn't the truck stop? Because this is the truck that has picked up the flight crew after they ejected from the plane. They used this dumpster truck so the crew could easily parachute straight ito the back .. and make a faster get away ...

So - what you are saying is that the CREW have the backpacks? Bastards....

[Swoop]

There wasn't a crew on board!

American technology, like the Predator UAV drones use, was installed in this 747 in a Top Secret hangar at Bagram. The CIA then conducted the takeoff and deliberately crashed the plane.

The FBI is now looking for the remote-control operator, who was seen walking away with a calm expression on his face.





Sent from an orbiting space station with large telescopic lenses.

[Crisis management]

In the interests of being boring and from guys that fly out of there ie; same airline & airforce personnel... cargo shifted rearwards, cog went the same way, instant stall.

If you're really interested there is a thread on it on ADVrider.com







Carry on. :msn-wink:

[Katman]

I think it was either the pilot accidentally flicked the kill switch or the side stand switch was faulty...

Not to make light of 7 deaths btw -

That's ok Paul.

At least there wasn't an 8 year old killed.

[Paul in NZ]

That's ok Paul.

At least there wasn't an 8 year old killed.

But can we be sure? I think you might want to poke around a bit on the net....

[MSTRS]

I reckon the Merkin Guvmint is behind it.

See the date on the video? - It actually happened four months ago. There were no real witnesses - they were all Guvmint Ajunts - that's why it has taken so long to leak out.

That were no real plane. If you look carefully you can see the back-pack bombs strapped underneath it, and the Jewish Star of David angle of the wings - real 747s aren't like that. Note that it exploded a split-second before it hit the ground.

See all the black smoke? That were a flash grenade - real AvGas don't burn like that.

Before that, it just hung in mid-air for ages - real planes don't do that.

Note that the guy who just happened to be filming it, and seemed quite calm? CIA.



At last! Someone who can tell us who REALLY shot JFK.

[Virago]

At last! Someone who can tell us who REALLY shot JFK.

They always said it was Kristin (Sue-Ellen's sister). But I reckon it were Bobby Ewing - he was an FBI informer, helping to keep the Merkin oil industry under Guvmint control.

Or am I getting conspiracies mixed up again?

[oneofsix]

At last! Someone who can tell us who REALLY shot JFK.

JFK shot JFK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6naJ08Tskk

[SPman]

From a site I frequent - both ex USAF pilots comments....

The 747 was carrying 5 MRAP vehicles @ 14+ tons. There are reports that one of the pilots called Mayday just after the apparent pitch up saying they had a load shift on rotation. MRAP"s being heavy as they are, one breaking loose would've done it.


Having Hauled a lot of the MRAPS in and out of Afganistan, they are pretty healthy machines. Load breaking loose is the most likely. They are usually pretty well secured, but the military uses a different system than the civilian counterparts. Possible is failure of some components, whether part of the floor system or the tie downs.

The aircraft was climbing way too steeply, a phase where I expect all effort was being made to reduce the AOA. The plane finally rolls off, it may be that this was an intentional recovery attempt, a little more altitude and they would have made it. That makes three 400 freighters lost with their crews in the last several years, all possibly due to load issues, whether fire or shift.

[FJRider]

The FBI is now looking for the remote-control operator, who was seen walking away with a calm expression on his face.


With or without a backpack .. ?? :scratch:

[Maha]

Either the CIA or the FBI or KFC did a real good job on this.

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[Clockwork]

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P/T

Was that reeeeally necessary?



And then at 37 - 40 seconds a green 'Merikan army truck with no markings goes passed - running pretty fast ... All the other traffic has stopped except this truck, which comes close to the fire and can't have missed the crash ... why didn't the truck stop? Because this is the truck that has picked up the flight crew after they ejected from the plane. They used this dumpster truck so the crew could easily parachute straight into the back .. and make a faster get away ...

Do you notice how the truck didn't look particularly surprised or concerned about the event either?

[Usarka]

I have a PPL, CPL, MEIR; and all ATPL theory subjects completed. ATPL by the way stands for Air Transport Pilots Licence. So I guess I'm a little qualified to make comment. Only a little though.

Yourself?

PPL so kind of surprised that you think rate of climb wasn't a factor based solely on a frontal video. Especially when it's a USA plane taking off from a military base in Afganistan.

The steeper the climb the more likely that load will move, and the less likely you are to recover. But I'm sure you know that....

[Jantar]

It doesn't require the load to move if it is loaded with the CoG too far aft to begin with. I also thought as soon as I saw that vid that it was loaded incorrectly. Once that nose starts to come up the center of lift on the wing moves forward and steepens the climb while reducing speed.

Oh, CPL and ATPL shows considerably more knowledge than PPL.

[Usarka]

It doesn't require the load to move if it is loaded with the CoG too far aft to begin with. I also thought as soon as I saw that vid that it was loaded incorrectly. Once that nose starts to come up the center of lift on the wing moves forward and steepens the climb while reducing speed.

Oh, CPL and ATPL shows considerably more knowledge than PPL.

Not really. I know more than a few spotty 22 year old CPL & ATPL's (and those who failed to use their quals to get a real job) who couldn't fart their way out of a rubbish sack. Name which airline you fly with and I'll apologise and treat your ATPL with some respect (and hope like fuck it's not malaysian airlines that I'm flying with next week).

It seems I also know a number of experts who can diagnose an air crash from a military base in a hostile foreign country from amateur home video footage. You cunts are so awesome you should work for the CAA.

[Jantar]

... Name which airline you fly with and I'll apologise and treat your ATPL with some respect (and hope like fuck it's not malaysian airlines that I'm flying with next week).......

You have misunderstood. I did not claim to have CPL or ATPL, but I was endorsing huff3r's comment after you asked him for his quals. However I have been flying for 42 years, the same length of time I've been motorcycling and, as our clubs CFI, I have been involved in investigating a couple of incidents where incorrect loading was a factor.

I also witnessed first hand a glider taking off on the winch with too much aft balast, and the results were almost exactly the same as that video. Fortunately without any fatality.

[huff3r]

PPL so kind of surprised that you think rate of climb wasn't a factor based solely on a frontal video. Especially when it's a USA plane taking off from a military base in Afganistan.

The steeper the climb the more likely that load will move, and the less likely you are to recover. But I'm sure you know that....

No doubt. But I don't see where you are getting the information that it was a high ROC? Regardless, if the load moves enough it doesn't matter what the ROC is, an aft CoG is an aft CoG and there is not really any recovery from that.

Normally the ROC a turbojet transport aircraft uses is directly related to it's weight, by their very nature turbojets are more efficient at altitude, so they will always climb quite steeply anyway, far steeper than the Hercs going in and out of Bagram daily, so they'd be a pretty poor target IMO. But hey, what do I know right?