WIMA PINK RIBBON RIDE (WGTN)

[WIMA]

WIMA WELLINGTON BRANCH invite all motorcyclists to attend their
<b>WELLINGTON PINK RIBBON MOTORCYCLE CHARITY RIDE</b>

DATE: Sunday 9th October 2005
TIME: 9.30am
PLACE: Wellington Railway Station, Platform 9, WGTN
DEPART: 10.00am
DESTINATION: LOWER HUTT
PINK RIBBONS: Gold coin donation

Funds raised will go towards supporting the Foundations activities including nationwide education and awareness programmes as well as various initiatives within breast cancer research.

You can help make a difference by simply lending us a few hours of your time.

Will stop to meet up with Coasters at Paramata Roundabout @10.15AM

Contact: Kate 027 230 1626 or email: kate@ito.co.nz or Visit www.wima.org.nz


Register your attendance here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=562&day=2005-10-9&c=1)

[Skunk]

As the ex-webmaster for WIMA I guess I should show up. First thing I've heard of Wgtn WIMA doing for a while. Is there much going on or are you all busy with the International Rally in November?

[mstriumph]

i fully endorse wat u doing - and wish i could be there

but

was asked to join WIMA in south africa and still have the same doubts now as stopped me then............

absolutely no disrespect intended ---- but i am automatically against anything with 'mens' in the title [either explicite or implied] ...

so if i am honestly against discrimination, shouldn't i also be automatically against organizations specifically for women?

[Dafe]

i fully endorse wat u doing - and wish i could be there

but

was asked to join WIMA in south africa and still have the same doubts now as stopped me then............

absolutely no disrespect intended ---- but i am automatically against anything with 'mens' in the title [either explicite or implied] ...

so if i am honestly against discrimination, shouldn't i also be automatically against organizations specifically for women?
Fair call mstriumph. I don't know why there are so many sexist groups out there either. I mean, a motorcycling club.... for woman only??? Whats up with that?
You don't see mens only riding clubs.

[badlieutenant]

hmm strange but WIMA do seem to invite everyone alot of the time ? maybe its a womans organisation simply so that a minority within a minority can get together and hangout, and sometimes raise money for good charities (breast cancer screening programs etc).
Im guessing here. As a man Im unqualified to comment on anything. :woohoo

[scumdog]

i fully endorse wat u doing - and wish i could be there

but

was asked to join WIMA in south africa and still have the same doubts now as stopped me then............

absolutely no disrespect intended ---- but i am automatically against anything with 'mens' in the title [either explicite or implied] ...

so if i am honestly against discrimination, shouldn't i also be automatically against organizations specifically for women?

Hmm, a point there I suppose...

Maybe it's just a way for like-minded ones to get together...
*Like the women don't want a bunch of hairy, loud, burpy-farty men hanging around for a change?

If it had been a Honda owners thing would all other brand makes see it as "'ist" the same way?

*Like the men don't want whining PMT laden women hanging around for a change? :motu: :rofl: :wait:

[Patrick]

My wife will be joining the Taranaki branch and having met some of their members already, all husbands/partners are invited along to join in the fun, or in the good causes. Doesn't sound like discrimination to me...sounds like a group of bike enthusiasts getting together for many reasons...just what it is all about really, isn't it???? Have fun Wellington, great cause...wish we could be there.

[Lucyloo]

Hello.
Just to clarify....only Women can actually join WIMA, but everyone is always wlecome on any of their rides.
In Auckland we regularly have men ("Have men"???....you know what I mean!!!!) attend our rides...in fact we positively encourage them to come with us!
Our motto is "the more the merrier".
We are really not too scary, so any time any of you want to join us, please feel free!
Luce.

[Skunk]

Hello.
Just to clarify....only Women can actually join WIMASorry to correct you but Men can join as supporter members - no voting rights at the AGM and a couple of other things. Last time I checked there were 4 men who were members.

[Lucyloo]

I sit corrected!

[Patrick]

Sorry to correct you but Men can join as supporter members - no voting rights at the AGM and a couple of other things. Last time I checked there were 4 men who were members.

Cool..."burpy farty blokes" don't do it for me either...I support WIMA!!!

[crashe]

Sorry to correct you but Men can join as supporter members - no voting rights at the AGM and a couple of other things. Last time I checked there were 4 men who were members.

Then they need to change their name then... if there are male members in the organisation.

Cos WIMA stands for WOMEN International Motorcycle Assossiation. (sp)
I understood it was for WOMEN ONLY and that the men, who just went along on a ride, were the husband/partners/brothers/fathers of the women.

[Skunk]

Then they need to change their name then... if there are male members in the organisation.

Cos WIMA stands for WOMEN International Motorcycle Assossiation. (sp)
I understood it was for WOMEN ONLY and that the men, who just went along on a ride, were the husband/partners/brothers/fathers of the women.No need to change their names: the consitution for WIMA in NZ allows men to join. :hitcher:

[James Deuce]

Still a discriminatory organisation with the archaic practise of limiting participation on the basis of gender. There is no way in HELL a MIMA would ever get past a court order demanding equal rights for female members and a name change to reflect the change in membership gender bias.. All discriminatory practices need to be outlawed, not just some.

There is NO argument that sustains the continued existence of this organisation EXCEPT for some pretty transparent PC bollocks about past injustices to women making organisations like this acceptable. Bollocks. WIMA merely extends the continued acceptance pf any form of gender based discrimination being OK.

[Skunk]

Still a discriminatory organisation with the archaic practise of limiting participation on the basis of gender. There is no way in HELL a MIMA would ever get past a court order demanding equal rights for female members and a name change to reflect the change in membership gender bias.. All discriminatory practices need to be outlawed, not just some.

There is NO argument that sustains the continued existence of this organisation EXCEPT for some pretty transparent PC bollocks about past injustices to women making organisations like this acceptable. Bollocks. WIMA merely extends the continued acceptance pf any form of gender based discrimination being OK.Grumpy Heckler. :rofl:

I agree - somewhat.
They do allow men to join. Good.
They limit mens ability to change the club. Mmmm.

But they do it to maintain the club as a haven for women to learn to ride amongst like minded people as opposed to testosterone filled males out to see how fast they can go.

Here I see their point.

What's needed is to get rid of this PC crap so there can be a MIMA!

[James Deuce]

But they do it to maintain the club as a haven for women to learn to ride amongst like minded people as opposed to testosterone filled males out to see how fast they can go.

Here I see their point.

I don't. Generalisation breeds fear and mistrust. Not good reasons to form an exclusive organisation. Most organisations like that have a brown or black uniform. Or maybe a white hoody and sheet.

[badlieutenant]

Still a discriminatory organisation with the archaic practise of limiting participation on the basis of gender. There is no way in HELL a MIMA would ever get past a court order demanding equal rights for female members and a name change to reflect the change in membership gender bias.. All discriminatory practices need to be outlawed, not just some.

There is NO argument that sustains the continued existence of this organisation EXCEPT for some pretty transparent PC bollocks about past injustices to women making organisations like this acceptable. Bollocks. WIMA merely extends the continued acceptance pf any form of gender based discrimination being OK.
you are right jim.
Personally I dont give a toss that men cant vote or that there arnt many male members in thier club, let them have it. When they intrude on my rights then Ill wine like a ripped off 2 dollar manwhore.

They help raise money for good charities and seem to have fun.
Ill support that.
shit attitute to go with a crappy day. soz

[Skunk]

I don't. Generalisation breeds fear and mistrust. Not good reasons to form an exclusive organisation. Most organisations like that have a brown or black uniform. Or maybe a white hoody and sheet.So how do you run a club so that all members are getting what they need without any missing what they want and none feeling threated by the others? Let's face it, not many women run on testosterone. :)

In a perfect world that would be easy - but the world ain't perfect.

Anyway it's not exclusive, men can join.

[James Deuce]

Anyway it's not exclusive, men can join.

Sounds like 19th Century marriage - from the woman's perspective. The whole point of removing discrimination for any reason from society is to remove the barriers that an arbitrary fear place in the way of growing as a race in general.

The fact remains. Men are not allowed to form organisations that exclude women. Women are allowed to form clubs that exclude men.

[Skunk]

The fact remains. Men are not allowed to form organisations that exclude women. Women are allowed to form clubs that exclude men.True - and I hate that too. I don't agree with WIMA as it is, but having helped them, seen what they do, how they run I can also see why they want to be 'exclusive'.

I agree with both you and WIMA as both are right for your own reasons... how f'cked up is THAT?

So. Are you coming on the ride, which by the way, is in supprt of Breast Cancer Awareness (not WIMA)? :rofl:

[James Deuce]

At the risk of looking a total dickhead, I can't, but I have supported WIMA organised runs in the past.

[badlieutenant]

if your needing a fight, try yourself out with this (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=clinton&word2=Jesus)

[Skunk]

if your needing a fight, try yourself out with this (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=clinton&word2=Jesus)No fight - just discussion.

Got one of those links for discussion? :rofl:

[badlieutenant]

sorry no :( interesting that the word clinton beats jesus in a google fight tho ......bit of topic sorry :D

[Estrella]

No fight - just discussion.

Got one of those links for discussion? :rofl:
No need for a fight, a discussion is cool.

Looking forward to the ride, hope to see plenty of people there with with pink ribbons to support the families dealing with this curse.

Estrella

[Dafe]

I have a question......

The ride departs WGTN railway station and heads for the destination of Lower Hutt. There is a note saying there will be a stop at Paremata.
Parematas not exactly on the way to Lower Hutt. So where does this ride go?

[Ms Piggy]

I'll be at this one, honest I will!! :niceone:

[Skunk]

I'll be at this one, honest I will!! :niceone:Oh yeah? Time will tell... :dodge:

[Skunk]

I have a question......

The ride departs WGTN railway station and heads for the destination of Lower Hutt. There is a note saying there will be a stop at Paremata.
Parematas not exactly on the way to Lower Hutt. So where does this ride go?They normally take a round-a-bout route to the destination, but in this case I think they mean a separate ride coming in via that way. Maybe. Maybe not.

[Ms Piggy]

Oh yeah? Time will tell... :dodge:
Nah that would be budget will tell *siiiiigh*. Looking forward to it :D

[Ms Piggy]

See ya'll there :)

[curious george]

The fact remains. Men are not allowed to form organisations that exclude women. Women are allowed to form clubs that exclude men.
Skunk has tried, but not really offered any 'proper' reason as to why this group feels it has to exclude men.
All hell breaks loose if wummen can't get into a boys club, but try and get into a girls gym? 2 chances. None and fuck all.
*As I test case, I nominate myself to join 'contours' gym. See how far I get.*
This WIMA sounds like a good cause, etc..blah..blah, but why do they see the need to exclude men except for when they want a crowd?
Answers on the back of a postcard please

[Ms Piggy]

Skunk has tried, but not really offered any 'proper' reason as to why this group feels it has to exclude men.
All hell breaks loose if wummen can't get into a boys club, but try and get into a girls gym? 2 chances. None and fuck all.
*As I test case, I nominate myself to join 'contours' gym. See how far I get.*
This WIMA sounds like a good cause, etc..blah..blah, but why do they see the need to exclude men except for when they want a crowd?
Answers on the back of a postcard please
Dunno & don't care...men have excluded wymin ;) for years & then get all upity when a wymin's only group is formed. Hmmmmmm :dodge:

I personally don't have an issue with men only or women only groups, sometimes it's necessary & helpful/healthy.

[curious george]

Dunno & don't care...men have excluded wymin ;) for years & then get all upity when a wymin's only group is formed. Hmmmmmm :dodge:
And did you like it them? Hmmmmm
So the best way of dealing with the new found equal rights is to form a wummens only club? Hmmmmmmmmmmm


I personally don't have an issue with men only or women only groups, sometimes it's necessary & helpful/healthy.
Except men can't have their own clubs anymore. Or boys schools either.
Im interested what's so helpful/healthy about it anyway?

[badlieutenant]

sorry been drinking so I can freely admit I dont give a toss and too much navel gazing goes on sometimes. This is a bike forum and some ladies want to go for a ride. Sounds good, Im in if I can wake up in time. :D

[Dafe]

Yep, Having taken all threads into consideration. I support Breast Cancer Research, As for WIMA....... Thanks for the ride!

[Ms Piggy]

And did you like it them? Hmmmmm
So the best way of dealing with the new found equal rights is to form a wummens only club? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
No it's not but I find it amusing that when the shoe (or stylish pump) is on the other foot it's considered unfair.


Except men can't have their own clubs anymore. Or boys schools either.
Im interested what's so helpful/healthy about it anyway?
Ummmmm, there's still boys only schools around NZ.

As for why I think it's helpful/healthy: Recently there was some research done by Celia Lashlie (NZer) on how important it is for young guys to have a masculine space, so for lads going to a boys only school is a positive thing. http://www.harpercollins.co.nz/books/new/title.cfm?ISBN=186950528X&Author=LASHLIE_CELIA&Area=New_NZMen
and http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=celia+lashlie+%2B+Good+Man+report&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryNZ Women & men are different, we deal with "stuff" differently and so I think having clubs & societies catering for that is all good as long as they are not negatively portraying the opposite sex - which WIMA doesn't.

[curious george]

No it's not but I find it amusing that when the shoe (or stylish pump) is on the other foot it's considered unfair.
It was never fair before, still isnt.

Women & men are different, we deal with "stuff" differently and so I think having clubs & societies catering for that is all good as long as they are not negatively portraying the opposite sex
I can see the logic behind that, and agree; heck, it might even be true, but my complaint is if I tried to join a womens gym, I couldn't, and if I refused a girl membership to a men's only gym, I would be up for all sorts of human rights abuse allegations.
This is beyond the scope of WIMA, which is a good cause and all that, turn up for a ride, great stuff, but to quote:

Just to clarify....only Women can actually join WIMA, but everyone is always wlecome on any of their rides.
It's purely the principle I'm against, not the group.

[Skunk]

Skunk has tried, but not really offered any 'proper' reason as to why this group feels it has to exclude men.Get this: They do NOT, exclude men from anything they do except the control of their club. If you're really into being on a committee good on ya.

All hell breaks loose if wummen can't get into a boys club, but try and get into a girls gym? 2 chances. None and fuck all.
*As I test case, I nominate myself to join 'contours' gym. See how far I get.*As I said to CSL today - in some cases a men only or women only group serves a purpose. To see WIMA's purpose in being a "woman's" club you would have to get involved as I did.

I don't see why there shouldn't/can't be separate groups for men and women. If you can't see the differences between men and women then that would explain some of the difficulties that you may be having... (p/t)

It's like having only one type of bike - cause everyone is the same eh.

It annoys me when do-good PC people come along and say you must let everyone in. It doesn't always work.

And curious george; I agree with you.

[James Deuce]

It's interesting how this has become a debate about the PC rightness or wrongness of a situation.

It's nothing to do with PC. There is legislation banning single gender organisations. Simple. How come women's organisations are allowed to sidestep it? No one has answered that yet, except to give the usual claptrap about Men deserving the same treatment. That's REAL grown up people. Not.

[Skunk]

There is legislation banning single gender organisations.Didn't know there was for clubs. I thought it applied to employment etc. :dodge:

[curious george]

Get this: They do NOT, exclude men from anything they do except the control of their club.
Ahhhhh, just a little bit of exclusion then. (p/t)

I don't see why there shouldn't/can't be separate groups for men and women.
If that's what people want, fine. In some cases it might be for the best.
Front line women (or gay) soldiers anyone? (I know it's allowed, but there is hardly a rush is there....)
The gripe really is what Jim said, it's the gummermint! Legislitation exists so people cannot be discriminated against because of their sex. So how come some groups can? (this rule might only apply to Govt departments actually..)
I'm sure if some bloke really got into WIMA (or any other) and did good things for it, then I'm sure rules would change.
Just rather irksome that it was mentioned at all. If nobody had said 'Men not allowed', nobody would have noticed at all I bet.


And curious george; I agree with you.
I think we are thinking along similar lines. Gaaah! How can we have a decent arguement if we agree? Dammit! :crybaby:

[James Deuce]

Didn't know there was for clubs. I thought it applied to employment etc. :dodge:

How about the irrelevantly named Wellington Working Men's Club?

[Pickle]

Getting back on track for a moment. There were approx 50 bikes on the ride today and a decent sum of money was raised for Breast Cancer Research.
Leaving the railway station we rode out to Parremata, met up with a few from up North and then rode over the Haywards, finishing up at TSS where Stuart had cooked up a stack of sausages for everyone.
I ended up being tail end charlie as I had dusted of the mighty CT110 and played minder to a small group of learners who did well. Biggest effort goes to Tania who rode down from Waipukurau for the ride. Kate organised the ride & Viv was the one selling badges etc.
There were a number of KBr's on the ride and WIMA thanks you for your support.

[crashe]

Working Men's club - For Men ONLY.

Mason's club - For Men ONLY.

Cosmopolitian Club (PN) - I am sure this is for Men ONLY as well.

There may well be a few other Men's ONLY clubs out there in NZ.

[curious george]

Working Men's club - For Men ONLY.
Mason's club - For Men ONLY.
Cosmopolitian Club (PN) - I am sure this is for Men ONLY as well.
There may well be a few other Men's ONLY clubs out there in NZ.
It's just not right is it? Lucky for me im not in any of those :sweatdrop
Thats just the point crashe - (I'd forgotten about those), although they have a womens version, why can't people join whatever club they want?

Glad to hear you had a good ride anyway Pickle, it's what it's all about at the end of the day.

[Ms Piggy]

Getting back on track for a moment. There were approx 50 bikes on the ride today and a decent sum of money was raised for Breast Cancer Research.
Leaving the railway station we rode out to Parremata, met up with a few from up North and then rode over the Haywards, finishing up at TSS where Stuart had cooked up a stack of sausages for everyone.
I ended up being tail end charlie as I had dusted of the mighty CT110 and played minder to a small group of learners who did well. Biggest effort goes to Tania who rode down from Waipukurau for the ride. Kate organised the ride & Viv was the one selling badges etc.
There were a number of KBr's on the ride and WIMA thanks you for your support.
Yeah it was a great day out! Thanks WIMA :niceone:

[Skunk]

Getting back on track for a moment. There were approx 50 bikes on the ride today and a decent sum of money was raised for Breast Cancer Research.
Leaving the railway station we rode out to Parremata, met up with a few from up North and then rode over the Haywards, finishing up at TSS where Stuart had cooked up a stack of sausages for everyone.
I ended up being tail end charlie as I had dusted of the mighty CT110 and played minder to a small group of learners who did well. Biggest effort goes to Tania who rode down from Waipukurau for the ride. Kate organised the ride & Viv was the one selling badges etc.
There were a number of KBr's on the ride and WIMA thanks you for your support.
And the weather was just great.
Thanks WIMA (Kate and Viv) for running the show
Thanks TSS for the great feed after. (Yes the GT650 does look good fully faired...)

[Beemer]

Holy shit, what a pile of claptrap! In today's day and age, who really gives a toss about women/men's only organisations? Considering WIMA has always welcomed men along to their meetings and events, apart from the committee side of things, who cares that they are called the Women's International Motorcycling Association and not a PC-non-gender-specific title? I joined WIMA Wellington years ago when I was learning to ride and found them a really helpful bunch of riders - and that INCLUDED the men who were partners, husbands, brothers, etc. of the members. Have a look at how many men regularly attend their rallies - hell, it's where I met my husband!

I think some of you need to get a life - I personally don't care if there are men-only organisations and I bet the vast majority of men don't give a toss about women's only organisations either. You should save your energy for asking why women often get a lower wage for doing exactly the same job as a man. :argh:

Sorry we didn't make the ride - we took part in the BMWOR ride around the bays in Wellington instead. Great day for riding, but I didn't enjoy being stuck behind the leader of our group who wouldn't overtake a car travelling at between 35-40kph from Shelley Bay to Brooklyn - where they turned off! That's not what I call riding, it was a nightmare!

We ended up at the Parrot and Jigger where we bumped into Loopy and Glen, good to see some friendly WIMA faces! :spudwave:

[skelstar]

Ah yes, I do enjoy riding in a large group (provided they know what they are doing). Good on WIMA for organising it well. Good on TSS (Alicetown) for the sausages (youre a great cook Fergus :) ).

[Lucyloo]

Getting back on track for a moment. There were approx 50 bikes on the ride today and a decent sum of money was raised for Breast Cancer Research.
Leaving the railway station we rode out to Parremata, met up with a few from up North and then rode over the Haywards, finishing up at TSS where Stuart had cooked up a stack of sausages for everyone.
I ended up being tail end charlie as I had dusted of the mighty CT110 and played minder to a small group of learners who did well. Biggest effort goes to Tania who rode down from Waipukurau for the ride. Kate organised the ride & Viv was the one selling badges etc.
There were a number of KBr's on the ride and WIMA thanks you for your support.

Well done all of you!
Hope there are some phots thatw e can see ar some stage!

[Estrella]

Holy shit, what a pile of claptrap! In today's day and age, who really gives a toss about women/men's only organisations? Considering WIMA has always welcomed men along to their meetings and events, apart from the committee side of things, who cares that they are called the Women's International Motorcycling Association and not a PC-non-gender-specific title? I joined WIMA Wellington years ago when I was learning to ride and found them a really helpful bunch of riders - and that INCLUDED the men who were partners, husbands, brothers, etc. of the members. Have a look at how many men regularly attend their rallies - hell, it's where I met my husband!

I think some of you need to get a life - I personally don't care if there are men-only organisations and I bet the vast majority of men don't give a toss about women's only organisations either. You should save your energy for asking why women often get a lower wage for doing exactly the same job as a man. :argh:

Sorry we didn't make the ride - we took part in the BMWOR ride around the bays in Wellington instead. Great day for riding, but I didn't enjoy being stuck behind the leader of our group who wouldn't overtake a car travelling at between 35-40kph from Shelley Bay to Brooklyn - where they turned off! That's not what I call riding, it was a nightmare!

We ended up at the Parrot and Jigger where we bumped into Loopy and Glen, good to see some friendly WIMA faces! :spudwave:
Beautifully said Beemer!

Hey did you have an F650 with a lowered seat for sale? If it was you could you PM me some details.

Ta

[SARGE]

Still a discriminatory organisation with the archaic practise of limiting participation on the basis of gender. There is no way in HELL a MIMA would ever get past a court order demanding equal rights for female members and a name change to reflect the change in membership gender bias.. All discriminatory practices need to be outlawed, not just some.

There is NO argument that sustains the continued existence of this organisation EXCEPT for some pretty transparent PC bollocks about past injustices to women making organisations like this acceptable. Bollocks. WIMA merely extends the continued acceptance pf any form of gender based discrimination being OK.


there is an orginization in the states called the "UNITED NEGRO COLLEGE FUND".. try to pull that shit past the courts if it was the White Guy College fund

(also the NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)

[Paul in NZ]

All this is a bit rich really...

A nice bunch of people organised a ride to do something charitable....

There is inequality everywhere, build a bridge and get over it! If you really want to get stuck into someone... Get stuck into the Justice Dept over the treatment of that female prison guard that would not stand behind the men at the powhiri for departing prisioners (who thought of that clever touch?)

FFS

However.... What us white chaps need to do is not get all aggro about it but rather start boxing a bit clever... We need to declare that having better jobs and more pay is NOT discrimination but rather a cultural protocol as told to us by our grandfathers... I'm quite happy to act as a shaman and help the authorities codify these ancient (and deeply spiritual) beliefs. Personally I think that its male disconnection from our culture that has caused a lot of the problems in society...

(stage whisper - play along guys, we will soon be earning the big bucks again, have state funded brothels, places where we can play with cannons and machine guns, cheap petrol and bike boofy bikes...)

[skelstar]

I went on the ride and got a free sausage. :niceone:

Thats what Im talking about!

[badlieutenant]

[QUOTE=

(stage whisper - play along guys, we will soon be earning the big bucks again, have state funded brothels, places where we can play with cannons and machine guns, cheap petrol and bike boofy bikes...)[/QUOTE]

are the free sausages a indication of the begining of the new world oh wise shaman ? what music will we listen to in this new order ?? :D

[Paul in NZ]

are the free sausages a indication of the begining of the new world oh wise shaman ? what music will we listen to in this new order ?? :D

Personally I think the WIMA willy shaped meat sausage thing was an attempt to get blokes to swallow their own manhood... So... They are out!

I'm thinking Buffalo steaks and bacon galore washed down with gallons of beer.. Music will be loud...

Now, where is my sweat lodge...