spotting mufti coppa's

[pyrocam]

Ive tried my darnest since I got pulled by a mufti cop to try and identify them. Post your best cop spotting techniques for the benifit of our loverly KB community.

Ussually I can spot a normal cop anywhere between 3 cars and 12 cars ahead in traffic on the NW but thats not good enough. I guess the best thing to look for is funny antenna..... thougts?

[Zed]

Ive tried my darnest since I got pulled by a mufti cop to try and identify them. Post your best cop spotting techniques for the benifit of our loverly KB community.

Ussually I can spot a normal cop anywhere between 3 cars and 12 cars ahead in traffic on the NW but thats not good enough. I guess the best thing to look for is funny antenna..... thougts?Hard to spot em from a distance, radar detector will do that if they are scanning! Once you get closer keep an eye out for LED lights in the front bumper/grill and on the rear window shelf, also look out for those plain wheel rims and the short aerials as you've mentioned.

[Big Dave]

Ive tried my darnest since I got pulled by a mufti cop to try and identify them. Post your best cop spotting techniques for the benifit of our loverly KB community.

Ussually I can spot a normal cop anywhere between 3 cars and 12 cars ahead in traffic on the NW but thats not good enough. I guess the best thing to look for is funny antenna..... thougts?


The wheels. Most have plain silver wheels with axle covers only.
The lights - bottom corners of the rear window - bottom middle of the front. First places I scope - every time. Then confirm with the aerials.

[N4CR]

I generally just slow for any holden untill I can ascertain whether or not it is a coppa.

It depends on the light and how clean and shiny the glass is on the car - then look for white boxes/shapes, quite often I hit the anchors when it is just a white radar detector suction cup >_<

I also see some holdens with plain wheels but with aerials that are cellphone related - no radar on the dash or lights etc. These are probably company cars in some buisness's fleets.

BTW beware of the 'alloyed/spoilered' S (v6..) series late model Holdens that I have seen a few of lately, right behind them before I clicked it was the poooohlice. Crafty buggers.

[campbellluke]

I look to see if I can make out a family in the Commodore/whatever. - That can narrow it the chances down quite a bit.

I speed on SH1 more than anything else.So it helps my cause knowing where rest areas are. Revenue collecting I notice happens heaps from them hiding in rest areas around passing lanes. If there is a fancy modern vehicle in a rest area I tend to just slow down.

Sometimes they hide behind trucks and ping people that way. So if I don't get a good view of the commodore refusing to pass a truck, I just slow down.

If you are following them, you can observe a LPG sticker. They do annoying things like driving at 95kmph on the open road and brakeing before they approach the lower speed limit.

In town at night you can often see their radar thing turned on as they watch people pass by. I've had a few close calls though.

At night on the open road? Don't know what you can do to be aware of muftis. - Get in your car with the cop detector I guess.

[sAsLEX]

most commodores have tow bars, cops dont (ok in auckland they dont Scumdog!)

[froggyfrenchman]

i slow forany late model holden or ford, although the mufti cars have been worked, the suspention always catches my eye 1st, the car sits lower and on standard rims. then look for the ledlights in windows. also they have different grills with little round lights behind them, keen eye can spot. Ride hard, luck on nt gettn snapped again

[onearmedbandit]

Used to be that you could spot them by lack of dealer plate surrounds (on late model NZ new cars this is very rare, unless they are a rental), plain rims, no tow bar. Now they leave plate surrounds on, have alloy wheels and sometimes have towbars as well. Holdens or Fords, shit there is Mitsi utes, Toyota Corollas, V3000's etc. Very very hard to spot these days. There are a few signs, but had to see from a distance. (Like the others have mentioned, ie lights in rear window or on the dash, short aerials.)

[Coyote]

Pisses me off to see our tax payers money going into their nice new Holdens with flash 'police' paintjobs, flashy rims and red personalised plates with generic messages like 'SLWDWN'. If they're going to waste our money on flash cars, they could at least get some lamborghinis, ferraris, porches and maseratis (to name a few), and even a few nicer patrol bikes. I wouldn't mind so much if I was pulled over by a cop and a tricked out police R1

[Ixion]

Real easy way to identify mufti cars - just open the throttle wide. You'll soon know which are the cop cars.

Me, I assume that EVERY car is a cop car until I've established otherwise.

[Pixie]

Pisses me off to see our tax payers money going into their nice new Holdens with flash 'police' paintjobs, flashy rims and red personalised plates with generic messages like 'SLWDWN'. If they're going to waste our money on flash cars, they could at least get some lamborghinis, ferraris, porches and maseratis (to name a few), and even a few nicer patrol bikes. I wouldn't mind so much if I was pulled over by a cop and a tricked out police R1
Wa choo talkin' 'bout?
A fine is a fine,I don't give a toss what the pricks drive.
You can go and perve at exotica in dealers' windows for less than a couple a hundred bucks

[Coyote]

Wa choo talkin' 'bout?

Shit of course!

[ZorsT]

most commodores have tow bars, cops dont (ok in auckland they dont Scumdog!)
I used to think that before I passed one that was towing a TRAILER of HAY...

EDIT: so GASL can't spell....

[Pixie]

I used to think that before I passed one that was towing a TRAILOR of HAY...
Sure it wasn't a trailer of swill? :devil2:

[scumdog]

Sure it wasn't a trailer of swill? :devil2:

Hell no ya dumbarse, that would have been a dead give-away, it was trying to be mufti, not obvious!! :sherlock: :rofl:

[betti]

uik bike cops usin gsxr's and fireblades now, eek!

[Coyote]

uik bike cops usin gsxr's and fireblades now, eek!
See, that just looks bloody awesome

[scumdog]

Ive tried my darnest since I got pulled by a mufti cop to try and identify them. Post your best cop spotting techniques for the benifit of our loverly KB community.


For me looking in the mirror works best :motu: :whistle: :msn-wink:

[Pancakes]

Yeah, wide steel rims, cellphone antenna (stick-on glass kind with curly middle), LPG sticker, not a lease car (no Schofields badge), on sunny days a reflection of the flouro jacket on the seat, no kids in the car, two mid 20 to 30 year olds with coppa-spec mo-goatee's.

[Pancakes]

Now SD's gonna trick some car out and get us all! Damn!

I forgot, nothing on the back dash but 3 hella led's (usually).

[scumdog]

Yeah, wide steel rims, cellphone antenna (stick-on glass kind with curly middle), LPG sticker, not a lease car (no Schofields badge), on sunny days a reflection of the flouro jacket on the seat, no kids in the car, two mid 20 to 30 year olds with coppa-spec mo-goatee's.

Kinda makes a radar-detector redundant eh?? :msn-wink: :whistle:

And when it has mags, no LPG sticker and one guy (not wearing his flouro jacket) and semi-opague screening over the back-tray mounted lights etc does this technique still work?? :wait:

[onearmedbandit]

Exactly, spotting them from a distance, and being 100% sure is fucking hard these days.

[number33]

There's only 3 choices.

1. Treat ALL modern cars as slimy cops and dont exceed 100 when in visual range.

2. Treat ALL modern cars as slimy cops, but take the risk that they aren't.

3. (choice 3 is stressful, takes guts, and can't be 'half pie') - run a false plate and always do a runner if a cop flags ya - no hesitation. (be sure to have a 220kph capable machine)

[Zapf]

I used to think that before I passed one that was towing a TRAILER of HAY...

EDIT: so GASL can't spell....

but they can't exceed 80km/h when towing right? :motu:

[myvice]

I wonder if all cop cars have the sat-nav transponder thingy?
How hard would it be to pick up the same info as it wafts through the eather?
Would it be difficult to put a radar, as in ship/aircraft type, screen on your bike so you get a 1k warning?
Is anyone out their going to build one?
Can I have one to please?
If people are spending $1000 on detectors that only work with radar (too late if you get hit with a laser) How much will they pay for one of these?
Can my one be free as I thought of the idea?
Oh go on....
Please?
What about cost price?
Pretty please?

[scumdog]

There's only 3 choices.

1. Treat ALL modern cars as slimy cops and dont exceed 100 when in visual range.

2. Treat ALL modern cars as slimy cops, but take the risk that they aren't.

3. (choice 3 is stressful, takes guts, and can't be 'half pie') - run a false plate and always do a runner if a cop flags ya - no hesitation. (be sure to have a 220kph capable machine)

(1). Hmm, you would never speed in this case.

(2). It would end up costing you a lot of time and dollars. :crybaby:

(3). EVENTUALLY things would go horribly pear-shaped, still, from your hospital bed/grave you would have the satisfaction of knowing you had saved many dollars with this technique!! :Pokey: :bleh:

EDIT: Almost forgot, you would need an 'invisible-stealth' anti-helicopter mode as well for option(3).

[onearmedbandit]

EDIT: Almost forgot, you would need an 'invisible-stealth' anti-helicopter mode as well for option(3).


Yup, got me one of those off ebay.

[ZorsT]

but they can't exceed 80km/h when towing right? :motu:
yeah, but i'm not allowed to exceed 70km/h with my L status

[madboy]

3. (choice 3 is stressful, takes guts, and can't be 'half pie') - run a false plate and always do a runner if a cop flags ya - no hesitation. (be sure to have a 220kph capable machine)Works better with no plate and a 260k machine.

But even then it's as much good luck as good management. It's pissing down with rain, roadworks approaching, you're tired and your missus is on the back... all of a sudden a fine doesn't sound so bad. Even I'd stop then.

In my hypothetical "greatest hits album", top speed was never the issue, it was lack of deceleration and proximity to side roads.

[WINJA]

THERES A BLUE MAZDA 6 DOING THE WAIKATO AT THE MOMENT AND HE CATCHES PEOPLE EVERY MORNING , FUNNY ENOUGH WHEN I WAS REPORTING IN AT THE COP SHOP THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS A POSTER OF A MAZDA 6 WITH THE CAPTION "THIS IS NOT AN UNMARKED CAR BUT ANYTHING ELSE MAYBE"

[onearmedbandit]

Just why were you reporting in at the police station WINJA? :msn-wink: :shifty:

[Dafe]

I've been riding 6 years and no tickets yet and no close calls.
I ride 10-30% over the limit most the time.

My method..... Don't speed near anything you haven't confirmed as a cop car. Keep your speed back coming around corners and be ready to drop the gear for massive deceleration provided you tail is clear. ALWAYS ride within 5-10kph of the speed limit past vehicles parked up on the side of the road - until confirmed its not a mufti.
Watch all spots on roadsides/motorways where a copper could pull in and hide, approach with caution. Never let loose unless you know for sure, there is no vehicles in sight that may be cops and no hiding spots either.
When you are in the clear - let loose! You need to let some speed flow through the veins! We all do. It's all about timing.
Also, If a car comes around a corner towards you, always drop your speed until confirmed - not a copper.
Also, riding 120kph on a motorway, will always allow you to drop back between 100-110 in the blink of an eyelid. This is a safe cruising speed while you scan the roadsides and horizons. Don't go upto 130 unless other traffic around you is and don't overtake those cars going 130-140kph.
Just follow them and take them once they're queued behind the traffic ahead.

Also, don't change lanes aggresively or quickly, It shows you're hooning. Instead indicate well and then slowly cross lanes. You look more like your taking your time. And don't lane split over 30kph.
Follow this and I hope you'll have the same luck I have.

Also, be aware of the obvious as others have stated. 3 Aerials, crap rims and sedans (especially Holdens).
And always suspect 4WD's as they're the best traps and always scan overhead bridges. Slow if you see stationary people or vehicles on bridges until confirmed safe.

[number33]

(1). Hmm, you would never speed in this case.

(2). It would end up costing you a lot of time and dollars. :crybaby:

(3). EVENTUALLY things would go horribly pear-shaped, still, from your hospital bed/grave you would have the satisfaction of knowing you had saved many dollars with this technique!! :Pokey: :bleh:

EDIT: Almost forgot, you would need an 'invisible-stealth' anti-helicopter mode as well for option(3).


Not much choice huh?

Relying on detecters puts you into choice 2. Too risky.


Actually, riding by choice 1 lets you speed to your hearts content. I always ride by choice 1. Rides can be a constant buzz of hardout acceleration and hardout deceleration if you want them to be. Sometimes choice 2 is unavoidable, but those instances can be cut way low by common sense and a bit of experience eh. Dafe is on to it.

Choice 3 is for the crazy's out there.

[Biff]

I wonder if all cop cars have the sat-nav transponder thingy?
How hard would it be to pick up the same info as it wafts through the eather?
Would it be difficult to put a radar, as in ship/aircraft type, screen on your bike so you get a 1k warning?
Is anyone out their going to build one?
Can I have one to please?
If people are spending $1000 on detectors that only work with radar (too late if you get hit with a laser) How much will they pay for one of these?
Can my one be free as I thought of the idea?
Oh go on....
Please?
What about cost price?
Pretty please?


You've more chance of convincing Auntie Helen to wear a paper bag on her head because she scares small children than be able to either afford the kit required to decypher this encoded/encrypted location data stream, or be able to cart all of the kit around on your bike.

It'd cost a minimum of $80 - and even if you could afford it I bet your balls that you'll never find anyone willing to sell you all the required kit.

But on the off chance that you're loaded, I can be bought.. :psst:

[Beemer]

The speed for towing a trailer has been 90kph for quite a while now - far more sensible. Picking mufti cars from behind is a little easier because you can usually see the lights in the back window, plus your height advantage on a bike means you can often see the radar unit, etc. on the front dash. Coming towards you is bloody hard unless you are in a 50 or 70kph zone - saw three cop cars yesterday this way - a white Commodore in Foxton, a black Commodore and a dark green Nissan Navara in Levin.

Found a foolproof way of unmasking the mufti cop who patrols the Himatangi Straights - exceed the speed limit... :chase: A few years ago now, but he was driving a burgundy late model sedan and he got me as I was coming towards him at 9am on a Sunday morning. No other traffic around so I wasn't really focusing on my speed. $170 later I certainly was!

[Ixion]

You've more chance of convincing Auntie Helen to wear a paper bag on her head because she scares small children than be able to either afford the kit required to decypher this encoded/encrypted location data stream, or be able to cart all of the kit around on your bike.

It'd cost a minimum of $80 - and even if you could afford it I bet your balls that you'll never find anyone willing to sell you all the required kit.

But on the off chance that you're loaded, I can be bought.. :psst:

We did this once before, and decided it wouldn't run, cos most of the muftis maintain radio silence.

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.

If they are as rumoured getting GPS and stuff in the cars then it may open possibilites. GPS must transmit regularly, I think.

[scumdog]

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.
.

Be awful slow going anywhere at times if you worried about radio transmissions!!
Fire brigade are on the same channel (down here anyway) plus you have Youth Aid/Detectives/Supervisors etc chatting away about all manner of stuff - and they won't be sitting there with a radar waiting!! :no:

[Ixion]

Be awful slow going anywhere at times if you worried about radio transmissions!!
Fire brigade are on the same channel (down here anyway) plus you have Youth Aid/Detectives/Supervisors etc chatting away about all manner of stuff - and they won't be sitting there with a radar waiting!! :no:

Places where I open up, not very likely to be any of those . For me, if there's anyone "official" within say a kilometre, that's enough to stay within the legal (more or less) limit.

I don't speed beyond the "keeping with the traffic flow" in built up areas.

Just want to know if some officcier type person has wandered into my carefully preserved "experimentation" area. Tis not too bad cos there's normally no other traffic at all, and I can see a long way ahead, so I back of if I see any other vehicle closeish, but the range of those damn things is going up all the time.

[Biff]

We did this once before, and decided it wouldn't run, cos most of the muftis maintain radio silence.

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.

True - at least in theory for 'normal' policing duties today (there are location systems in use by 'other' public safety/national security organisations, it's a secure digital system) - but you will need to decipher this information when it's introduced for all beat cops, as there's currently a procurement programme for a new digital PMR system under way. This system (base station and mobile terminals) will constantly be sending a wide range of data (authentication, cell site registration, sync settings etc) so there will always be some radio traffic being transmitted by both the network and mobile radios. And as all the information (voice and data) will be a digitised data stream you'll never know whether the cop is ordering donuts, asking for a rego check or the network is interrogating the radio for its geo' location.

And if you’re going to be looking at a specific RF frequency as an indicator to the presence of a nearby police officer, you’ll be wasting your time, as the new trunked digital systems operate on any one of a couple of dozen frequencies, so you’ll need a very powerful (read expensive) piece of hardware to scan all the possible frequencies simultaneously. And this frequency is guaranteed to change every time a police officer transmits.


If they are as rumoured getting GPS and stuff in the cars then it may open possibilites. GPS must transmit regularly, I think.

The GPS signal is received by the radio - the lat long + odometer info is then sent at a pre-defined time period or pre-configured distance covered. This is configurable by the system maintainer or the dispatch centre. The other option being that the location information is only sent when a police officer sends any kind of radio transmission. The last option is known as 'polling', where the control room operator sends out an interrogation message to all, or a specific radio asking for its location.

But it's all digital, they won't use their existing conventional analogue radio for geo-location information. So you'll need a bloody expensive bit of kit to decipher this information. And you'll probably be committing a crime against the state by attempting to decode this confidential information anyway.

[Ixion]

True - at least in theory for 'normal' policing duties today (there are location systems in use by 'other' public safety/national security organisations, it's a secure digital system) - but you will need to decipher this information when it's introduced for all beat cops, as there's currently a procurement programme for a new digital PMR system under way. This system (base station and mobile terminals) will constantly be sending a wide range of data (authentication, cell site registration, sync settings etc) so there will always be some radio traffic being transmitted by both the network and mobile radios. And as all the information (voice and data) will be a digitised data stream you'll never know whether the cop is ordering donuts, asking for a rego check or the network is interrogating the radio for its geo' location.

And if you’re going to be looking at a specific RF frequency as an indicator to the presence of a nearby police officer, you’ll be wasting your time, as the new trunked digital systems operate on any one of a couple of dozen frequencies, so you’ll need a very powerful (read expensive) piece of hardware to scan all the possible frequencies simultaneously. And this frequency is guaranteed to change every time a police officer transmits.



The GPS signal is received by the radio - the lat long + odometer info is then sent at a pre-defined time period or pre-configured distance covered. This is configurable by the system maintainer or the dispatch centre. The other option being that the location information is only sent when a police officer sends any kind of radio transmission. The last option is known as 'polling', where the control room operator sends out an interrogation message to all, or a specific radio asking for its location.

But it's all digital, they won't use their existing conventional analogue radio for geo-location information. So you'll need a bloody expensive bit of kit to decipher this information. And you'll probably be committing a crime against the state by attempting to decode this confidential information anyway.


Still sounds somewhat hopeful. I don't care if the cop is ordering donuts or doiing a rego check. He's somewhere nearby, that's enough for me to back off.

And I don't need real time, so I could just poll up and down through the possible frequencies. 24 frequencies, one per second, check every 24 seconds, that's enough. Doesn't matter if he changes frequncy next time. Soon as I see the light flash, I'm on the brakes.

Just need something that flahses a light when it sees traffic on a suspect frequency nearby. In theory , there should be nothing for several kilometres using those frequencies. Won't work if they only do it on an infrequent polling basis (that's the problem at present - they only break radio silence once they've caught you!), but I bet that once the bosses figure out that they can keep tabs on the position of all the cops, they won't be able to resist it.
Watching and waiting, methinks.

EDIT Actually, rereading, I think maybe you misinterpreted my original post. When I said "I don't need to decipher" I meant that I don't care what the content is, not that I don't need to at present because at present they are analog.

[madboy]

My view on speeding - if you're gonna speed, then S P E E D. Don't f*** around at 120k, that's just asking for a ticket. You aim for 120k and your speed with wander a little either way, so it might wander down and you miss out on paying the tax, you wander up and you pay some more tax. But either way around 110-130 is just asking for it - it's you fellas who keep the power switched on at LTNZ.

My theory is you either stick to the limit, in which case there is a theoretical chance of 0.01% of being taxed, or go friggin nuts, in which case there is a 1.7% chance of being taxed. Everything in between is high risk territory.

[Velox]

Found a foolproof way of unmasking the mufti cop who patrols the Himatangi Straights - exceed the speed limit... :chase: A few years ago now, but he was driving a burgundy late model sedan and he got me as I was coming towards him at 9am on a Sunday morning. No other traffic around so I wasn't really focusing on my speed. $170 later I certainly was!
Saw one sitting there on Sat in a white car (sorry - don't know cars, only bikes) right beside where all these other cars were parked up at the side of the road. Tricksy eh.


Dafe - I totally agree. I've (somehow) managed to avoid getting snapped by doing pretty much the exact same thing (well we'll leave it at that for now anyway). I didn't know that 4WDs were that dodgey though - I know they ocassionally use them.


"Speed kills" is the biggest promotional bollocks out there. So do cars and bikes! So do steering wheels! So do twisty roads! Or just roads for that matter! It's how you use them!!! What an ignorant statment to use as a hobby horse campaign. What pisses me off is that the 'general public' are starting to believe that if you "speed" that means you are "bad". Argh - make me sick.

[Beemer]

They had a police check point heading north out of Levin at about 9.30am this morning - marked car plus a dark green late model Ford Falcon. New one for this area, that makes three new ones I've seen since Friday! (The black one has been in Palmerston North for a while.)

The speeding ads are like the drinking ones - "it's not the drinking, it's how we're drinking" - what the hell does that mean? Drinking out of bottles rather than glasses? Mixing chardonnay with pinot gris?

As for the speed kills line, how come the book wasn't thrown at Helen and all her entourage - after all, if they were prepared to speed, they were prepared to kill! Funny how they didn't... And if speed kills, then NO cop should be allowed to exceed the speed limit on the way to an accident or crime because they would be endangering innocent motorists (some they have actually killed, but they're still allowed to speed) every time.

[Morepower]

Theres a red Mazda 6 in Hawkes Bay , they are getting crafty

[number33]

Beemer, I've seen those pricks cruising Motuiti Rd and Himitangi Block Rd at 5.30 pm evenings. Straight, empty backroads for krissake.

[myvice]

What’s with the Don’t Drink And Drive add that shows him getting in the car after the rest of the known universe has asked him not to?
Are they giving up? Is this admission that the ads aren’t working?
Maybe I'm stupider than the lowest common denominator TV is aiming at but it's over my head!

[skidMark]

scumdogs a coppa?:| and i looked up to you all this time :oi-grr:

but ill behave or else youll keep an eye out for me lol

it's funny on my mini a marked cop car will go past i have this happen about 5 times a week usually at least and the cop going the other way will go past and i watch my mirror and they just on the brakes like they are about to pull a u turn and try and do me for something and then they go off the brakes and keep going everytime i guess they are looking back to check for a number plate?:S

can you think why you guys would do that scumdog???

i mean it's not like im speeding :whistle:

[SPman]

Must admit I'm giving up on worrying about speeding now! Go as fast as I feel the situation warrants/feels right, and if the authorities take objection - stiff shit! Im not spending my time on the roads, stressing about fucking cops, when I should be concentrating on traffic, conditions and other hazards. Cops just come under the other hazards category
Just call it a reaction to fuck witted, overbearing, overcontrolling stupid fucking beauracrats!

[skidMark]

easy tiger now lets not get worked up lol

i can multi task though ......you see you go fast but only if you can tell exactly which cars are cops...which means u gotta go slow and be a law obiding angel everywhere you go

lol they gave me a damn 150 dollar fine and 35 demerits just for passing on the left when my accident happened you would think i would have got cut some slack condiering i ended up in hospital getting wire put into my arm it's like ive learnt my lesson but they fined me anyway

ill have to be a little angel for 2 years now i don't want to get 100 demrits

i slow down for any holden but of course i never speed as my mini only does 49 :psst:

[Beemer]

Beemer, I've seen those pricks cruising Motuiti Rd and Himitangi Block Rd at 5.30 pm evenings. Straight, empty backroads for krissake.

I know, pisses me off a beauty, Motuiti Road is pretty cool! *knows someone who saw 300 on the speedo of a Blackbird along there* - definitely not me, wouldn't be able to touch the ground on one!

We were hoping we wouldn't see a cop when coming back from Himatangi with about 600kg of firewood loaded onto the bike trailer on Saturday!

[scumdog]

scumdogs a coppa?:| and i looked up to you all this time :oi-grr:

but ill behave or else youll keep an eye out for me lol

it's funny on my mini a marked cop car will go past i have this happen about 5 times a week usually at least and the cop going the other way will go past and i watch my mirror and they just on the brakes like they are about to pull a u turn and try and do me for something and then they go off the brakes and keep going everytime i guess they are looking back to check for a number plate?:S

can you think why you guys would do that scumdog???

i mean it's not like im speeding :whistle:

They're all mini fans!?

Dunno, but it might be the false impression that small cars/bikes SEEM to be going faster than they really are.

Maybe it's to fuel your paranoia :rofl: :rofl: :psst: :shifty: :crazy: :eek5:

[Biff]

I very rarely keep within legal speed limit, while on my bike, on one particular set of corners. A nice set of left right left sweepers close to my home. Excellent visibility, long open corners that cry, "ride me like you paid for me tiger", with a female French accent. 130KPH + of motormacycle heaven. Unless there's traffic.

There's a local mufty cop who has set my radar detector off a number of times, on all occassions with plenty of warning, same guy. He waved at me once.

Gay?

SC - Could you please tell us what the ticketing policy is for gay mufty cops? I mean, can they ticket me if I'm straight?

[scumdog]

Gay?

SC - Could you please tell us what the ticketing policy is for gay mufty cops? I mean, can they ticket me if I'm straight?

That question is purely academic Biff, we all know your as bent as Harry Lauders walking stick!! :msn-wink:
Straight?? pffft, that'll be the day Mr Corkscrew!! :rofl:

[Lou Girardin]

easy tiger now lets not get worked up lol

i can multi task though ......you see you go fast but only if you can tell exactly which cars are cops...which means u gotta go slow and be a law obiding angel everywhere you go

lol they gave me a damn 150 dollar fine and 35 demerits just for passing on the left when my accident happened you would think i would have got cut some slack condiering i ended up in hospital getting wire put into my arm it's like ive learnt my lesson but they fined me anyway

ill have to be a little angel for 2 years now i don't want to get 100 demrits

i slow down for any holden but of course i never speed as my mini only does 49 :psst:


You're lucky they didn't do you for careless.

[Lou Girardin]

I very rarely keep within legal speed limit, while on my bike, on one particular set of corners. A nice set of left right left sweepers close to my home. Excellent visibility, long open corners that cry, "ride me like you paid for me tiger", with a female French accent. 130KPH + of motormacycle heaven. Unless there's traffic.

There's a local mufty cop who has set my radar detector off a number of times, on all occassions with plenty of warning, same guy. He waved at me once.

Gay?

SC - Could you please tell us what the ticketing policy is for gay mufty cops? I mean, can they ticket me if I'm straight?

The policy is that you can get a warning if you REALLY want to.

[pete376403]

We did this once before, and decided it wouldn't run, cos most of the muftis maintain radio silence.

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.

If they are as rumoured getting GPS and stuff in the cars then it may open possibilites. GPS must transmit regularly, I think.
Was talking to a guy (won't say who he works for but there is a stadium named after them) whose account is ..police comms. They are working on the 3g mobile stuff right now. He is setting up a system where the cars will be constantly in touch via the cellular network. Need to ask more details.

[Biff]

That question is purely academic Biff, we all know your as bent as Harry Lauders walking stick!! :msn-wink:
Straight?? pffft, that'll be the day Mr Corkscrew!! :rofl:

Says the guy who has a moustache that is home to a small family of pygmy's and was the original "YMCA Cop".

"young man, please touch your toes for me
young man, because my names SD
young man, would you please call me Shelly
and be- my - sausage - jockeyyyy"

ya woofda. :rofl:

[scumdog]

Says the guy who has a moustache that is home to a small family of pygmy's and was the original "YMCA Cop".

"young man, please touch your toes for me
young man, because my names SC
young man, would you please call me Shelly
and be- my - sausage - jockeyyyy"

ya woofda. :rofl:

Hmmph! since you made reference to SC in this dity (doggrel more likely) I'll take it you're not 'getting' at me!!

And C.B. thinks my moustache is pretty macho so there!! :woohoo:

BTW How's YOUR mo growing??? :motu:

(had thoughts of doing a 'rebound' dity - "Biff's the baby" based on another Village People song but thought it too immature!!) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Biff]

BTW How's YOUR mo growing??? :motu:



Ok you win - I grow 'tufts', so I'd never pass the entry exam to become a cop.

[scumdog]

Ok you win - I grow 'tufts', so I'd never pass the entry exam to become a cop.

Hmmm, from what I hear it's not the ONLY thing that'll stop you!! :rofl: :rofl: :wait:

[Lou Girardin]

And C.B. thinks my moustache is pretty macho so there!! :woohoo:


But then women always say what we want to hear.

[scumdog]

But then women always say what we want to hear.

And they ALWAYS tell the truth!! :cool: :msn-wink:

[Velox]

(Cheers for the greeny SD!) But the prob with speeding being the only enforceable thing vs careless driving and maybe being an unskilled driver/rider in general, is that it still is targeting something that is not wrong in itself. In a way (although this is slightly extreme) it's like fining people for getting in a vehicle at all - they have the potential to kill/injure people but it doesn't mean that'll necessarily happen unless they mis-use the vehicle. Personally, I think speeding's the same - if judgement is used properly then there's no prob with it. Same applies to driving/riding in general.

But I get what you mean about the fact that you need to be able to police something to stop people being loonies and wiping out themselves and others. I dunno, and obviously the cops don't either, but your everyday "speeders"/general public shouldn't have to be a scapegoat. Hmmm.

[Lou Girardin]

And they ALWAYS tell the truth!! :cool: :msn-wink:

Mine does. (ooh baby, I can't take all of that.)

[Beemer]

Mine does. (ooh baby, I can't take all of that.)

You missed a few words off the end, Lou. "ooh baby, I can't take all of that crap you keep spouting!" :rofl:

[RiderInBlack]

But then women always say what we want to hear.Not the one I was silly enough to Marry. If I find one that does I might just think about giving marrage ago again, but I an't in no hurry to go there again.

[Biff]

Hmmm, from what I hear it's not the ONLY thing that'll stop you!! :rofl: :rofl: :wait:

Has somebody told you I have real talent then? Maybe I'm too good looking? Apparently I already have an ego big enough for the job though. Bitch. :motu:

[Dafe]

Saw one sitting there on Sat in a white car (sorry - don't know cars, only bikes) right beside where all these other cars were parked up at the side of the road. Tricksy eh.


Dafe - I totally agree. I've (somehow) managed to avoid getting snapped by doing pretty much the exact same thing (well we'll leave it at that for now anyway). I didn't know that 4WDs were that dodgey though - I know they ocassionally use them.


"Speed kills" is the biggest promotional bollocks out there. So do cars and bikes! So do steering wheels! So do twisty roads! Or just roads for that matter! It's how you use them!!! What an ignorant statment to use as a hobby horse campaign. What pisses me off is that the 'general public' are starting to believe that if you "speed" that means you are "bad". Argh - make me sick.
The four wheel drives are real hard to spot because you're not expecting them. Infact I had one following me today in my workcar. Lucky for me I recognised the Police overalls they wore when I was passing them on the motorway.
They were in a white Toyota Hilux. There is a couple of mufti 4x4's driving the hutt motorway.

The burgendy car that was patrolling Himitangi was a Nissan 200SX, not what you'd expect to see a cop in either.

I'm driving the himitangi plains in the morning, I'll be keeping an eye out.

[skidMark]

They're all mini fans!?

Dunno, but it might be the false impression that small cars/bikes SEEM to be going faster than they really are.

Maybe it's to fuel your paranoia :rofl: :rofl: :psst: :shifty: :crazy: :eek5:

they fuel my paranoia alright lol but it would be funny as they can do me for nothing but i did get pulled once forgot to put my headlights on just after getting my bike within the 1st couple of weeks :Oops: :whistle:


i don't see why they jump on the brakes though and every damn time they keep going i reckon they just want to check it has rego lol

also how does the law go regarding going through traffic to get to fron't of lights from further back going up the middle of lanes etc.?

[Biff]

also how does the law go regarding going through traffic to get to fron't of lights from further back going up the middle of lanes etc.?

Known locally, and not so locally, as "splitting" or "filtering". Try a search from here on either of these words and you'll find loads of useful legal info, and general bollox.

[skidMark]

and im meant to know hu knows what they are talking about and who is not how ?....love the avatar biff got a happy tree friends feel to it :rofl:

[skidMark]

do you see what i mean happy tree friends and biffs avatar you can see how i can relate them somehow

[Biff]

and im meant to know hu knows what they are talking about and who is not how ?....love the avatar biff got a happy tree friends feel to it :rofl:

Thanks dude.

Here's a good a place as any to start I guess: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12378&highlight=lanesplitting

At the top of most (all?) pages you'll see a search button - click it and type in key words for the topic you want to search for.

Enjoy.

[skidMark]

theres like a million and one links to different threads i could spend my whole life just not doing it and it would cut the time of reading all that to find out :rofl:

[Biff]

theres like a million and one links to different threads i could spend my whole life just not doing it and it would cut the time of reading all that to find out :rofl:

Ok - to the best of my knowledge, although I may be talking out of my arse, it is illegal to lanesplit. But do it safely & slowly and the mufty you drive past may decide that you know what you're doing, don't pose a danger, and let you go without ruining your day. Unless he's in a bad mood because a random biker just got his daughter pregnant.

But I stand to be corrected. Because like you - I cant be arsed to check out all those search results.

This question has been thrashed to death here (not blaming you Mark), why don't we get a definitive guide to splitting guide posted somewhere here in the form of a sticky? Written by someone more knowledgeable than me (easy). Or is there one already? Spank? Mods?

[N4CR]

There is one.... bugjuice wrote one I think, and also one of the threads had the law and discussed each point of the law etc.

[Lou Girardin]

You missed a few words off the end, Lou. "ooh baby, I can't take all of that crap you keep spouting!" :rofl:


Ssssssshhhhhh! Who told you? (womens network?)

[Velox]

For the Wgtn riders - there's a silver mufti car (don't know what type) with a number plate "CBA..." that I've come up behind twice in the last week. So watch out for it around the city and western suburbs. Hasn't got many tell-tail aerials and does have a spoiler but you can still see the lights in the rear window.

[mikey]

For the Wgtn riders - there's a silver mufti car (don't know what type) with a number plate "CBA..." that I've come up behind twice in the last week. So watch out for it around the city and western suburbs. Hasn't got many tell-tail aerials and does have a spoiler but you can still see the lights in the rear window.


come on weasel, you suck! a silver car, next time your riding up behind one you might have a look at the badge ( ford / holden etc) casue that description is just plain sucky!

[Beemer]

Ssssssshhhhhh! Who told you? (womens network?)

I'm a journalist, it's my job to hunt out the truth... :rofl: To be honest, I think it was on the dunny wall somewhere too...

And where's your apostrophe? :hitcher:

[Velox]

come on weasel, you suck! a silver car, next time your riding up behind one you might have a look at the badge ( ford / holden etc) casue that description is just plain sucky!
:argh: I don't know cars!!!! They're just chunks of metal with 2 too many wheels! I might know if it was some type of 4WD maybe.

[madboy]

:argh: I might know if it was some type of 4WD maybe.How? By getting your knee down and checking out the front axles?

Odds on it'll be the silver Commodore I've seen around. I keep coming across a green Commo S on the way home, lights in the back but no RT aerial. I think it's a manager-type cos he's never in uniform, seems to keep office hours and doesn't give a shit as i split past him.

[scumdog]

New Commodes are going to be 4wd and 190kw, of course all you expert riders will still outrun all us 'average' drivers eh? :msn-wink:

[ZorsT]

New Commodes are going to be 4wd and 190kw, of course all you expert riders will still outrun all us 'average' drivers eh? :msn-wink:
how many horses is that SD?

[scumdog]

how many horses is that SD?


Eff me matey!! But I believe a 100hp + 74kw so I gues that is about 245hp I s'ppose?

Too much Dalmore single malt!!

[Velox]

Ok - I'll rephrase that:
If it was a 4WD, I might know what type of car it was.

If it was a 4WD cop car though I'm sure I wouldn't pick up on it, which aint too good.

[scumdog]

Ok - I'll rephrase that:
If it was a 4WD, I might know what type of car it was.

If it was a 4WD cop car though I'm sure I wouldn't pick up on it, which aint too good.

That's the whole plan!!

Ya can't tell them apart - until it comes to 'cornering time'.

Then it is all on - and when you don't own/pay for the car you don't give a shit eh??

[Velox]

That's the whole plan!!

Ya can't tell them apart - until it comes to 'cornering time'.

Then it is all on - and when you don't own/pay for the car you don't give a shit eh??
Oh - ok I think it's just my 'non-car-ness' showing through. When I say 4WDs I'm meaning big, boxy, rear door jobs, as opposed to a 4WD car. I can tell the type of those but not 4WD or 2WD 'normal' cars. Sorry - I've just confused everyone (actually mainly myself) I think.

[scumdog]

Oh - ok I think it's just my 'non-car-ness' showing through. When I say 4WDs I'm meaning big, boxy, rear door jobs, as opposed to a 4WD car. I can tell the type of those but not 4WD or 2WD 'normal' cars. Sorry - I've just confused everyone (actually mainly myself) I think.

Hmm, O.K., well the new Commodes will have 4wd and the only difference is the extra 20mm ride hight.

And radical idiot drivers like me.!!!!!

Just done pursuit training today and the trainer said he could tell I was a bike rider by the way I cornered.
I thought EVERYBODY went around a corner 'opposite-lock!!!

Luckily I drunk single-malt whiskey AFTER I had done the driving eh??

[Velox]

Just done pursuit training today and the trainer said he could tell I was a bike rider by the way I cornered.
I thought EVERYBODY went around a corner 'opposite-lock!!!

Now that would be awesome fun!!! (Apart from the fact that innocent citizens are soon going to be even more out of pocket because of it!) That def would be one of the perks of the job. Funny that he picked up that you ride! Must've been the knee hanging out the door aswell eh?

[scumdog]

Now that would be awesome fun!!! (Apart from the fact that innocent citizens are soon going to be even more out of pocket because of it!) That def would be one of the perks of the job. Funny that he picked up that you ride! Must've been the knee hanging out the door aswell eh?

Hmm, He was a CBR ride, went to Levels last weekend and gave his bike ( his track bike, he had a road bike as well) a good wind-out.

Even though I rode a H-D (his comment: Yeah, you look like a Harley rider) he appreciated that I could get around the corners. ( who says the rev-limiter is top speed in 2nd)
Beats having 'dialogue' with the slack-jawed public.

And give me more time for a couple of 'quaffs' of single malt whiskey!!

[inlinefour]

Although by that time they have allready spotted me... :ride:

[scumdog]

Although by that time they have allready spotted me... :ride:
Yeah, bad Kharma on some days eh??

[Lou Girardin]

New Commodes are going to be 4wd and 190kw, of course all you expert riders will still outrun all us 'average' drivers eh? :msn-wink:

Yeah, but they still weigh a zillion tonnes. (a zillion and one when you're driving)