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gwigs

22nd June 2013, 17:53

My pc did that a couple of times just recently turned it self off , then it just wouldnt start , turned out it was the power unit
Cannibised another old pc for the power unit and hey presto up and running..
But yeah could be an overheating prob...

pete376403

22nd June 2013, 18:16

One of my laptops is an HP DV6000, one of a range of "Pavilion Entertainment PCs". Apparently these are renowned for random lockups/crashes/shutdowns. There was a recall and also a class-action lawsuit relating to this. The fault is the Nvidia graphics chip overheating. Not one of these, is it?

Indiana_Jones

22nd June 2013, 18:17

steve_t

22nd June 2013, 18:19

My money is on the PSU crapping out

mashman

22nd June 2013, 18:36

Indiana_Jones

22nd June 2013, 18:39

Fuck I hope not, it's only around 2-3 years old!

-Indy

gwigs

22nd June 2013, 18:49

Fuck I hope not, it's only around 2-3 years old!

-Indy
Then you could get it fixed under ther consumer act thingy..a pc should not clap out in 2 years
It should last a lot longer than that mate..warranty doesnt matter.it should last a reasonable time.

Indiana_Jones

22nd June 2013, 19:37

Well the PSU is 2-3 years old, it's a home built job.

-Indy

Gremlin

22nd June 2013, 19:57

One of my laptops is an HP DV6000, one of a range of "Pavilion Entertainment PCs". Apparently these are renowned for random lockups/crashes/shutdowns.
Pavilions are notorious for having cheap componentry and inadequate cooling. Components get hot, fail sooner etc. Best thing you can do for those is getting a cooling pad.

Well the PSU is 2-3 years old, it's a home built job.
Completely depends on the quality of the PSU.

First guess is PSU, and it's an easy replace. I presume you have checked for dust build up? Even cleaning out the dust can yield large gains.

Indiana_Jones

22nd June 2013, 20:04

Can't see much dust on the PSU, but cleaned all the fans and air filters out etc.

-Indy

Scuba_Steve

22nd June 2013, 22:24

Check the capacitors for leakage; there's been massive faults with alot of caps due to possible industrial espionage & poorly formulated electrolyte. I'll let wiki explain it in detail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague#Diagnosis)

Sable

22nd June 2013, 23:21

CPU temperature cutoffs are normally around the 80 degree C mark. My money would also be on the PSU, failing that a dodgy motherboard.

SMOKEU

23rd June 2013, 12:02

Speedfan says it's around 55-60 degrees.

What CPU is it?

CPU temperature cutoffs are normally around the 80 degree C mark

That depends on the CPU. Intel chips are designed to run much hotter than AMD.

sil3nt

23rd June 2013, 17:09

55-60? That is my max temp under heavy load for me.

Shouldn't be causing your PC to shut down though.

Mom

23rd June 2013, 17:30

Cheers lads,

She's a desktop. I think the CPU and Motherboard are around 7 years old now.

So I might try some new thermal paste and make sure the fan is on nice and tight.

I dare say I'll replace the Motherboard and by the end of the year.

-Indy

Invest in a smallish standard fan from the red shed. Open your PC box and place fan so it directs air over the internals. You are welcome :D

*Disclaimer, I know jack shit, but I reckon that would work :yes:

Akzle

23rd June 2013, 18:57

That depends on the CPU. Intel chips are designed to run much hotter than AMD.

intel chips have been known to unsolder themselves from the board...(causing similar problems to OP)

awa355

23rd June 2013, 19:14

Try one of these. I guarantee, it wont ever give your pc wont give any more problems. 284255

Akzle

23rd June 2013, 19:33

Try one of these. I guarantee, it wont ever give your pc wont give any more problems. [ATTACH=CONFIG]284255

OR PORN!!
Theres no ctrl-z on that fucker....

Indiana_Jones

23rd June 2013, 21:44

ummm CPU is Intel E8500 3.16GHz

-Indy

SMOKEU

24th June 2013, 10:12

intel chips have been known to unsolder themselves from the board...(causing similar problems to OP)

Shit I've never heard of that before. It certainly doesn't sound good.

Akzle

24th June 2013, 11:12

Shit I've never heard of that before. It certainly doesn't sound good.

i think it was more old laptop gpus.
Funny anyway.

3.16 stock or clock?
Either way. Its a pretty old rig, probably upgrade to last years tech fair cheap, which'll see you through 2020.

imdying

24th June 2013, 11:33

Shit I've never heard of that before.That's because it's not true. If that is 55-60 at idle, then yes reseat it with a new TIM/paste.

Indiana_Jones

24th June 2013, 12:05

i think it was more old laptop gpus.
Funny anyway.

3.16 stock or clock?
Either way. Its a pretty old rig, probably upgrade to last years tech fair cheap, which'll see you through 2020.

Stock, single core.

Also seems to be randomly lagging etc, so I reckon it could be the motherboard is giving up the ghost.

Yea she's getting on a bit, I'll replace the M-board and CPU once I've moved south _b

-Indy

SPman

24th June 2013, 13:49

Invest in a smallish standard fan from the red shed. Open your PC box and place fan so it directs air over the internals.

It worked for my old desktop in summer - that and blowing out 7 yrs of accumulated dust and crud!

mashman

24th June 2013, 13:52

Stock, single core.

Also seems to be randomly lagging etc, so I reckon it could be the motherboard is giving up the ghost.

Yea she's getting on a bit, I'll replace the M-board and CPU once I've moved south _b

-Indy

Before you bin it, borrow a mates PSU and see if the same thing happens... unless you're lookin for an excuse to get a new machine that is.

Indiana_Jones

24th June 2013, 14:01

Before you bin it, borrow a mates PSU and see if the same thing happens... unless you're lookin for an excuse to get a new machine that is.

Well the new total war is out soon..........so yeah I might just roll with it lol

-Indy

Akzle

24th June 2013, 15:17

That's because it's not true. If that is 55-60 at idle, then yes reseat it with a new TIM/paste.

googluh is only throwing up rrod on microshit xfux.
But It happend i tells ya...

pete376403

24th June 2013, 19:59

That's because it's not true. If that is 55-60 at idle, then yes reseat it with a new TIM/paste.

If you're referring to the solder problem as not true - http://hackaday.com/2011/02/24/heat-gun-gpu-reflow-fixes-laptop/

Seems to be more of a problem with Nvidia GPUs

imdying

25th June 2013, 10:27

Yes, XBOX RROD, PS3 YLOD, and the odd other chip will respond to reflowing the BGA, done it myself.

None of which are Intel CPUs, he's just making stuff up.

avgas

25th June 2013, 11:51

Intel CPU's are good up to about 90 deg. Then they usually shut down. I used to run a silent P4 at about 70-85 all the time. So long as you top up the thermal paste every few years ran fine.

Do the thermal paste and you will get another 3 years out of it. But watch out if you're using silver. If there are trace amounts over the pins when you reset it - you're stuffed.

As for the Intel desoldering issue. It did happen, but it was so minor that something like 50 units in the world had it happen. It was intel's first experience with performance gpu's. They fixed it almost immediately. Unlike AMD who seem to think that it is acceptable for CPU's to self destruct at 80 deg - and had the solution of underpowering chips that exceeded that temp.

Gremlin

25th June 2013, 11:58

Intel CPU's are good up to about 90 deg.
Depends on the CPU generation. I remember our Pentium Ds constantly hitting 75 ish just putting it under some load... who would have thought, 2x P4 = lots of heat :wacko:

The newer ones are less tolerant of heat, and simply don't operate in the same temperature range as the P4, PD etc.

steve_t

25th June 2013, 13:21

Indy, did you find out what the problem is/was? Or just bin it?

imdying

25th June 2013, 14:06

Ah the Prescott, or Preshot as she was affectionately known.

Haven't seen that video of the Athlon XP lunching itself after the HSF was removed in years. P4... no worries... they just throttle back and keep on trucking till you put it back on :laugh: A friend has a P4C 3ghz in a laptop. WTF were they thinking :laugh:

Indiana_Jones

25th June 2013, 16:48

Indy, did you find out what the problem is/was? Or just bin it?

Still not sure at this stage. Been busy with other things at the moment. I'm gonna replace the motherboard and CPU regardless, they've had their time. I'll do that and then see what's going on.

-Indy

Indiana_Jones

12th July 2013, 20:59

Now my pc won't even start lol.

Just hangs on the windows logo on boot up. Still the PSU?

-Indy

Akzle

12th July 2013, 21:14

Now my pc won't even start lol.

Just hangs on the windows logo on boot up. Still the PSU?

-Indy

grab a linux liveCD off your close friends and allies, and boot that shit. if it boots, it's windows fuckery. if it doesn't it's hardware.

Indiana_Jones

14th July 2013, 10:34

Can only get the thing to start in safe mode now. Might be time to talk to a pro!

-Indy

Mushu

14th July 2013, 11:13

grab a linux liveCD off your close friends and allies, and boot that shit. if it boots, it's windows fuckery. if it doesn't it's hardware.

What he said^^^
If my computer was actually needed for anything other than storing movies on I'd have binned windows ages ago (I have an E8400 was good when I got it, not so much now)

Akzle

14th July 2013, 19:27

Get linux and you can be your own pro!
Ps. Im a pro because i have linux, where in the cuntry are you?

What he said^^^
If my computer was actually needed for anything other than storing movies on I'd have binned windows ages ago (I have an E8400 was good when I got it, not so much now)
i dont understand the question. Ext is a much better fs. Vlc wins all over the place. And mkv is preferable.
If you have friends who run windows (who would... Eww.) them make them get linux reader to pirate your pirated shit.

Mushu

15th July 2013, 00:44

Get linux and you can be your own pro!
Ps. Im a pro because i have linux, where in the cuntry are you?

i dont understand the question. Ext is a much better fs. Vlc wins all over the place. And mkv is preferable.
If you have friends who run windows (who would... Eww.) them make them get linux reader to pirate your pirated shit.

Nah it's more like it works and I'm lazy so it's still got widows from when I was running a media server and everyone had windows so I just set mine up the same, then when I pulled apart the server I just put the hard drives in my pc, it's not even overclocked, no need.

Asher

15th July 2013, 00:58

So my HP DV6 running at 70C with a cooling pad is a bad thing......:drool:
I thought it was meant to double as a lap warmer.

SMOKEU

15th July 2013, 09:50

Get linux and you can be your own pro!
Ps. Im a pro because i have linux, where in the cuntry are you?

i dont understand the question. Ext is a much better fs. Vlc wins all over the place. And mkv is preferable.
If you have friends who run windows (who would... Eww.) them make them get linux reader to pirate your pirated shit.

It's only good if you can find software that you need which works on Linux. The majority of software I need doesn't work on anything but Windows, and Wine fails to do the job more often than not.

avgas

15th July 2013, 17:32

Linux fan boys are like Mac fan boys without the cool clothes.

I like Linux and all - but I will never walk around telling people that it is the most awesome thing on 4 cores. Android at least has a prerequisite for hardware.

As soon as Ubuntu actually get people buying phones then I will start seeing a way forward. I think it is unlikely that Android will get people buying Chromebooks

Akzle

15th July 2013, 19:40

It's only good if you can find software that you need which works on Linux. The majority of software I need doesn't work on anything but Windows, and Wine fails to do the job more often than not.
dude, check out the new range of "racist white prick" apps for buntu 12...

Linux fan boys are like Mac fan boys without the cool clothes.

I like Linux and all - but I will never walk around telling people that it is the most awesome thing on 4 cores. Android at least has a prerequisite for hardware.

As soon as Ubuntu actually get people buying phones then I will start seeing a way forward. I think it is unlikely that Android will get people buying Chromebooks

but, penguins are so much cooler than a) apples and b) windows.

there are a few android ports for buntu...

fuck. buntu 12, which i had the misfortune to witness last week, looks just like some kind of gay app thing that everyone else is making.
what i'd like to see is someone installing it on a TV.
fuck DRM and shit.

SMOKEU

15th July 2013, 19:46

dude, check out the new range of "racist white prick" apps for buntu 12...

Cheers, just what I was looking for!

scracha

16th July 2013, 22:07

But why can't the clever penguins figure out the equivalent of making a volume snapshot of a running server?

Akzle

17th July 2013, 11:30

But why can't the clever penguins figure out the equivalent of making a volume snapshot of a running server?

you dd what?

avgas

17th July 2013, 12:00

but, penguins are so much cooler than a) apples and b) windows.
They were. Now not so much - little robots are cooler.

This was back then..
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/s7dTjpvakmA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/dCZGOPoVHF8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
That was when it was cool

Akzle

17th July 2013, 20:24

They were. Now not so much - little robots are cooler.

That was when it was cool

when will you people learn.
I
CUNT
SEE
JEW
FLASH.

but i bet they'd have been better running linux.

scracha

18th July 2013, 09:00

you dd what?

In the real world, small businesses don't wanna pay for hot swappable hardware raid systems in order to have their systems backed up properly whilst still in operation. Windoze manages this. AFAIK most implementations of linux don't. ZFS may change this in future but its well overdue

Akzle

18th July 2013, 17:45

In the real world, small businesses don't wanna pay for hot swappable hardware raid systems in order to have their systems backed up properly whilst still in operation. Windoze manages this. AFAIK most implementations of linux don't. ZFS may change this in future but its well overdue

you think its an fs issue?
And why the fuck would you fuck around with raid. Ever.

scracha

19th July 2013, 06:01

you think its an fs issue?

Yes, FS and operating system

And why the fuck would you fuck around with raid. Ever.
IF by "fuck around" you mean implement, then the benefits and drawbacks of the different RAID systems are well documented.

SMOKEU

19th July 2013, 07:50

And why the fuck would you fuck around with raid. Ever.

At CPIT they're to poor to put SSDs in the workstations so they use RAID0 HDDs. It's much better than JBOD obviously for things that benefit from the extra read/write speeds.

Akzle

19th July 2013, 16:52

Yes, FS and operating system

IF by "fuck around" you mean implement, then the benefits and drawbacks of the different RAID systems are well documented.

Anything other than raid0 is for pussies.

There is no substantial benefit of ntfs over ext. The fact that windows can read it isnt an advantage.

scracha

20th July 2013, 07:33

Anything other than raid0 is for pussies.
Perhaps in an SSD array with proper trim support and a bloody good backup. Personally, given the number of raid 0 failures I've had compared to the minimal performance benefit, I wouldn't bother anymore. Spending the money on a higher performance SSD as opposed to 2 x cheaper SSD's makes more sense for me.

There is no substantial benefit of ntfs over ext. The fact that windows can read it isnt an advantage.
I never said NTFS has substancial benefits and I wouldn't expect there to be as NTFS has been around since about 1994.

At CPIT they're to poor to put SSDs in the workstations so they use RAID0 HDDs. It's much better than JBOD obviously for things that benefit from the extra read/write speeds.

Given that you're rarely doing sequential reads then unless you're using the workstations for particularly disk intensive applications, your real world "task" improvement would be lucky to be 5% using raid 0. Raid 0 does impress your mates when copying files though ;) Perhaps that choice was partly driven to guarantee their IT guys extra work (double the failure rate) and perhaps get through their stocks of traditional drives quicker (in order to bring forward SSD deployments) :Police: