'busa sidecar outfit

[zadok]

Just came across this 'busa outfit. Looks really well done. Sidecars are just about a thing of the past these days it seems.

[Zed]

Just came across this 'busa outfit. Looks really well done. Sidecars are just about a thing of the past these days it seems.They've done an awesome job with that! Heaps more stylish that this Blackbird (http://members.aol.com/blackbirdezs/C44.jpg.html) effort.

Not sure if I'd ever get into those tho...was never a big fan of ole George & Mildred! :rofl:

[Ixion]

WHAT'S THAT FRONT SUSPENSION ? Hub centre steering ???

[Waylander]

WHAT'S THAT FRONT SUSPENSION ? Hub centre steering ???
Yea I saw that. Doesn't look ike it turns at all. Maybe rider only plans to go straight...

[onearmedbandit]

Yea I saw that. Doesn't look ike it turns at all. Maybe rider only plans to go straight...

It's turned in the photo. Looks like hub steering set-up to me.

[Kickaha]

It's turned in the photo. Looks like hub steering set-up to me.

What he said,it's hub center steer system like the long road race outfits run, I'd rather have this one though
http://www.sidecar.nu/performencebike.htm

[froggyfrenchman]

hey thats cool, almost cool as that busa trike in the gallery

[onearmedbandit]

What he said,it's hub center steer system like the long road race outfits run, I'd rather have this one though
http://www.sidecar.nu/performencebike.htm

Fuck me, that's just begging to be ridden hard everywhere you go.

[Coyote]

It is really awesome, but a bigger wheel up front would make it look far better

[Kickaha]

Fuck me, that's just begging to be ridden hard everywhere you go.

Best way to ride them anyway

Here's a few more, Ducati 999 sidecar anyone?
http://www.gespannservice.de/website.php

[riffer]

I'm curious. And maybe you can help Kickaha.

I've always wondered about the steering in these outfits.

Can you describe how the steering/weight shifting works?

I guess countersteering isn't used...

[Grumpy]

That's serious white knuckle shit for the passenger.

[Brains]

Best way to ride them anyway

Here's a few more, Ducati 999 sidecar anyone?
http://www.gespannservice.de/website.php

Thats just plain wrong!! Nobody buys a ducati for it's power (especially the first gen 999's), so you then go and fudge up the handling with a side car? The funny thing is that the 999 is the biposta version and still had the pillon seat on it, so you've got a duc for the whole family - perfect for all those soccer mums out there.

The Busa kinda reminds me of the 60's batman bike. I don't really get into the whole cage thing, but I don't know if I dislike them enough to do that to a bike :wait: .

[Motu]

I'm curious. And maybe you can help Kickaha.

I've always wondered about the steering in these outfits.

Can you describe how the steering/weight shifting works?

I guess countersteering isn't used...

I can't ride a roadracing chair very well,even though I've owned one....I'm too aggressive and ride like a speedway sidecar rider,sideways.You have to use the weight and drag of the sidecar to your advantage,which means being fairly aggressive - on a left hand corner you approach much slower than you think is a good speed,and then accelerate around,the weight of the chair anchoring you,depending on the weight of the chair,it's kinda like being tethered to a string.A light racing chair will lift,the swinger counterweights the chair to counter the lift - kinda like flying a hull on a cat,with the chair wheel in the air the bike no longer needs to drive around it.I used to fly mine a couple of inches and step the rear out 6.

Righthanders were always my favorite - these you enter way faster than you think is a good idea...check out a speedway sidecar race,these guys have the power hard on deep into the corner....you back of the throttle and the weight of the chair will swing around the bike.This is where I get it all wrong,I just let the chair come around in a big slide and nail it for the exit,but sometimes like a speedway outfit I needed a couple or more stabs at it,because you start understeering to the outside,back off and cross up,then nail it for the exit.Road racers don't do this,they are much smoother and seem to ride just on the edge....I could never do this,it was over the edge or nothing for me.

Oh,no...no countersteering,turn right to go right,just like a quad bike.

[Big Dave]

With a few exceptions (rider lost a leg etc) I look at a road going sidecar and see a waste of a motorcycle.
Watching them race is way cool but the three things i like best on a motorcycle are leaning through corners, splitting lanes and the power to weight. GOOOOOOOONNE

[Brains]

Far rather have a trike if I couldn't do the two wheeled thing anymore.

[zadok]

With a few exceptions (rider lost a leg etc) I look at a road going sidecar and see a waste of a motorcycle.
Watching them race is way cool but the three things i like best on a motorcycle are leaning through corners, splitting lanes and the power to weight. GOOOOOOOONNE
Must agree. It just wouldn't be motorcycling. I do enjoy watching them race, but not for the road.

[Motu]

But you are missing the whole - they are FUN!!! The biggest grins and excitement I've ever had on a bike has been on sidecars - but there are some people who can't cope with them,it's either love or hate,not much middle ground with sidecars.

[Kickaha]

ut 6.

Righthanders were always my favorite - these you enter way faster than you think is a good idea...check out a speedway sidecar race,these guys have the power hard on deep into the corner....you back of the throttle and the weight of the chair will swing around the bike.This is where I get it all wrong,I just let the chair come around in a big slide and nail it for the exit,but sometimes like a speedway outfit I needed a couple or more stabs at it,because you start understeering to the outside,back off and cross up,then nail it for the exit.Road racers don't do this,they are much smoother and seem to ride just on the edge....I could never do this,it was over the edge or nothing for me.

Oh,no...no countersteering,turn right to go right,just like a quad bike.

In right handers it's quite common to steer it on the throttle and step the back end out to get the front pointing where you want it and sometimes the swinger will help by unloading the rear to make it slide, but most of the time you hold it just on the edge of sliding,mostly this is a short outfit technique.

[Motu]

In right handers it's quite common to steer it on the throttle and step the back end out to get the front pointing where you want it and sometimes the swinger will help by unloading the rear to make it slide, but most of the time you hold it just on the edge of sliding,mostly this is a short outfit technique.

I never had that sort of restraint - even with my child/adult and wife and baby inside,righthanders were the full monty,sideways with lots of wheelspin.

[Qkchk]

As long as I wake up tomorrow and find no-one has murdered my 'busa............

How can you do that!!!!! Bad enough makin one into a quad....

[Biff]

Heaps more stylish that this Blackbird (http://members.aol.com/blackbirdezs/C44.jpg.html) effort.


That's bastardisation at its worst. Shame on you for posting that link Zed. :puke:

[pete376403]

In right handers it's quite common to steer it on the throttle and step the back end out to get the front pointing where you want it and sometimes the swinger will help by unloading the rear to make it slide, but most of the time you hold it just on the edge of sliding,mostly this is a short outfit technique.
A while ago Two Wheels mag had a feature on an AUssie outfit (Road, not race) which had a steerable sidecar wheel. When the outfit turned, and leaned as the bike (or chair) suspension compressed, it would turn the chair wheel very slightly in the appropriate direction. Apparently it was very neutral handling, with none of the difficulties of a "normal" outfit. Expensive to build with dozens of rose joints on lots of links. I've still got the article but the pics are not detailed enough to see exactly what connects to what. Bike was a CBR1000.

[Motu]

Way back in the dawn of time,the 20s I'd say by the photo's I've seen - they raced sidecars with banking chairs....controlled by the passenger who sat behind a big steering wheel...they were banned.

[pete376403]

Way back in the dawn of time,the 20s I'd say by the photo's I've seen - they raced sidecars with banking chairs....controlled by the passenger who sat behind a big steering wheel...they were banned.

Like this one - Freddie Dixon, 1925