David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[98tls]

The famous Harlequin jersey was knitted by David's mum to his design which he kind of made up as it went along.

Bit like his version of events.Maybe the answers are hidden in the knitting.

[Edbear]

Whatever Ed. I must say I'm saddened by the thought that your health must be on the improve.

Awwww... Who would you have to red rep if I karked it..? :whocares:

[oldrider]

It would be interesting for just David and Joe to sit down while David does a private lie detector test, at least then Joe would know as much as David does!

As it is now only David knows the truth and he aint telling because Joe won't let him! .... Just what is it that drives Joe? :buggerd:

[Banditbandit]

'Hunters get blood on weapons after a kill.' That is a ridiculous assertion. Like saying they get food on their clothing after eating.
Why the hell would you pick up a dead rabbit by the part of the animal that has got blood on it? That would just be dumb.




I gut rabbits and hares (and everything else I shoot) almost straight away - less weight to carry for a start.

And while I try to wipe all the blood off on the grass there is always some that gets onto the rifle.

Well - there you go - exactly - and it is a cop who gave you the answer

[Swoop]

'DB is not "getting it back"' - How can you be sure he won't get it back?
Perhaps a small detail, like getting a firearms licence?

[Smifffy]

Perhaps a small detail, like getting a firearms licence?

Maybe he's since got one? Perhaps through a course he did in prison?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe he's since got one? Perhaps through a course he did in prison?

I would've thought that whilst he was being incarcerated for multiple murders it'd be a no no getting a firearms licence.

[Smifffy]

I would've thought that whilst he was being incarcerated for multiple murders it'd be a no no getting a firearms licence.

Ahh, but he hasn't been found guilty of those crimes (back to square 1....)

[Banditbandit]

I would've thought that whilst he was being incarcerated for multiple murders it'd be a no no getting a firearms licence.


Ahh, but he hasn't been found guilty of those crimes (back to square 1....)

Naa .. see firearms licences only last for 10 years - david was in jail long enough for his licence to expire - he may well have got another one now .. but he would need to resit althe tests etc ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ahh, but he hasn't been found guilty of those crimes (back to square 1....)

Lol. Correct. But whilst in jail he had yet to be aquitted of said crimes no?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Naa .. see firearms licences only last for 10 years - david was in jail long enough for his licence to expire - he may well have got another one now .. but he would need to resit althe tests etc ...

Ah...cheers for that. And I must pull my finger out of my arse and actually get mine.

[scumdog]

You can be refused a firearms licence for heaps of reasons - even too many tickets.

And have it cancelled almost as easily, take my word for it.:yes:

[Banditbandit]

You can be refused a firearms licence for heaps of reasons - even too many tickets.

And have it cancelled almost as easily, take my word for it.:yes:

What ??? You've had the experience ??? You've had your licence revoked ??? :rofl:

[scumdog]

What ??? You've had the experience ??? You've had your licence revoked ??? :rofl:

Doh, can't be revoked if'n you've never had one!:bleh:

[Banditbandit]

Doh, can't be revoked if'n you've never had one!:bleh:


Oh - sorry - it was this earlier post of yours that made me assume you had one ...



I gut rabbits and hares (and everything else I shoot) almost straight away - less weight to carry for a start.

And while I try to wipe all the blood off on the grass there is always some that gets onto the rifle.

[Swoop]

Maybe he's since got one? Perhaps through a course he did in prison?
He would have an interesting time with the "fit & proper person" bit.

Possibly the interview with a "member of the family" could also be challenging...

[Hinny]

He would have an interesting time with the "fit & proper person" bit.

Possibly the interview with a "member of the family" could also be challenging...

After the murders Arawa's dog Kaycee wouldn't go near David. Would slink behind other people.
As arguably the last remaining other member of the family she apparently showed what she thought of him.

[Hinny]

Perhaps a small detail, like getting a firearms licence?

You don't think he will get one?
Stranger things have happened.
Getting let out of prison for one.

[oldrider]

Killing off ones family etc would be more likely the irrational behaviour of a younger person rather than that of an older person! (in my own opinion only)

Could that be an interesting statistic? ... Maybe not! :confused:

Of the two "nominees" and all that has been written about them for public consumption (again only IMO) David wins hands down as the most likely "winner"! :first:

Meanwhile the forgotten "five" lay mouldering in their graves :shutup: ... what part of the world is David in at the moment? :rolleyes:

Hey, here's a good idea ... lets compensate him with taxpayers money! :facepalm:

[Katman]

Hey, here's a good idea ... lets compensate him with taxpayers money! :facepalm:

What David would be likely to receive in compensation wouldn't even register in a list of taxpayers money that the government has squandered over the years.

If there is the likelihood that David is innocent (and there is plenty of doubt as to his guilt) then he should be compensated.

[scott411]

What David would be likely to receive in compensation wouldn't even register in a list of taxpayers money that the government has squandered over the years.

If there is the likelihood that David is innocent (and there is plenty of doubt as to his guilt) then he should be compensated.

its got a be a higher standard than "a likelihood" imo to get compensation,

I think he did it personally, and Mr Bain's legal team have for over a decade put out PR and come up with theory's on how Robin did it, creating their own doubt in peoples minds,

its one of the big problems with our legal system, we are trying to find if someone did the crime, and should they be punished for it, not what actually happened, but either way, with only 1 person alive to tell the story, its always going to be slanted towards that person,

[Mushu]

its got a be a higher standard than "a likelihood" imo to get compensation,

I think he did it personally, and Mr Bain's legal team have for over a decade put out PR and come up with theory's on how Robin did it, creating their own doubt in peoples minds,

its one of the big problems with our legal system, we are trying to find if someone did the crime, and should they be punished for it, not what actually happened, but either way, with only 1 person alive to tell the story, its always going to be slanted towards that person,

It's not the likelyhood of guilt that should dictate whether he gets compensated or not. The fact is there is no irrefutable evidence either way - but there should be and the fact there isn't is the fault of the "system", not David therefore he should be compensated for spending a large part of his life inside and the stigma he will always have to deal with.

[DanielM8]

It's not the likelyhood of guilt that should dictate whether he gets compensated or not. The fact is there is no irrefutable evidence either way - but there should be and the fact there isn't is the fault of the "system", not David therefore he should be compensated for spending a large part of his life inside and the stigma he will always have to deal with.

Exactly. Everybody's talking about it like he has to prove he's NOT guilty. Thats not how the legal system works. the police have to prove he IS guilty. If the legal system worked how you all are saying it is, then you may as well all be convicted of random unsolved crimes worldwide with no evidence. Shit, get some real evidence or give the guy some money and let him move on with his damn life.

And For the last god damn time New Zealand, the "likelihood of probabilities" doesn't stand up in any other country's court system.. But I guess we imprison people here based on feelings!


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[oldrider]

What David would be likely to receive in compensation wouldn't even register in a list of taxpayers money that the government has squandered over the years.

If there is the likelihood that David is innocent (and there is plenty of doubt as to his guilt) then he should be compensated.

This case was a botch-up from start to (well it's not finished yet is it?) and apart from the "debate" over David or Robin, it seems to be forgotten!

My point is that "FIVE" people are dead by murderous means and nothing appears to be continuing towards solving the crimes against them!

Rust never sleeps and neither should the Police!

If it's inconclusive whether David or Robin did it then "who did"? or does it just come down to "who cares"? :sleep: Move on, case closed! :sick: That's pathetic IMHO!

[scumdog]

And For the last god damn time New Zealand, the "likelihood of probabilities" doesn't stand up in any other country's court system.. But I guess we imprison people here based on feelings!


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They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

[oneofsix]

This case was a botch-up from start to (well it's not finished yet is it?) and apart from the "debate" over David or Robin, it seems to be forgotten!

My point is that "FIVE" people are dead by murderous means and nothing appears to be continuing towards solving the crimes against them!

Rust never sleeps and neither should the Police!

If it's inconclusive whether David or Robin did it then "who did"? or does it just come down to "who cares"? :sleep: Move on, case closed! :sick: That's pathetic IMHO!

I agree that five people have been killed, possibly four murders and one suicide, possibly five murders. I also agree it is a shame that all the police are interested in is covering up their stuff ups instead of solving the actual crime but we see this from the police time and again in all levels of cases.

[DanielM8]

They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

Not proven is equivalent to not guilty because of Lack of evidence and therefore by that system Bain should have been acquitted on the basis of a not proven. Not imprisoned for half his life. Therefore the system WAS in the wrong and DO owe him compensation.


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[oneofsix]

They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

Who is David Bains? Typical police work :laugh:
It is quite likely David Bain is not guilty but don't ask a NZ Cop to come close to admitting that. Scotland still has the not guilty and given the result of David's real trial that is the verdict they would have returned there too. "Not Proven" would still be Police Failed - again. :bleh:

[scumdog]

Who is David Bains? Typical police work :laugh:
It is quite likely David Bain is not guilty but don't ask a NZ Cop to come close to admitting that. Scotland still has the not guilty and given the result of David's real trial that is the verdict they would have returned there too. "Not Proven" would still be Police Failed - again. :bleh:

The obviously we need better cops...:weep:




Where are you going to find THEM?


:bleh: back to you

[Banditbandit]

The point of "not proven" is usually to get passed the double jeopardy clause ...

Under New Zealand law a person who has been found "Not Guilty" can not be tried again for the same offence UNLESS there is compelling new evidence - and it is hard to get a new trial ...

If we had a "Not Proven" verdict it could open the door for the piolice to do some more work and come back for a new trial ...

[Mushu]

The obviously we need better cops...:weep:




Where are you going to find THEM?


:bleh: back to you

Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.

[Drew]

Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.

Perhaps people could stop selling weed, and breaking traffic laws. Then there would be more cops to do the 'serious' stuff.

[Mushu]

Perhaps people could stop selling weed, and breaking traffic laws. Then there would be more cops to do the 'serious' stuff.

Without traffic tickets the government would go broke and I'm not even starting the weed debate here.

We don't necessarily need more cops to do the serious stuff we just need the ones who do to actually take the serious stuff seriously.

[oneofsix]

The obviously we need better cops...:weep:




Where are you going to find THEM?


:bleh: back to you


Good question, is there such a thing as a better cop? The ones they are importing from the UK don't seem any better than the home grown ones. :laugh: Same mix of the odd really good ones, the really odd ones and offish ones. :bleh: The family has even tried breeding the buggers - talk about doomed for failure :eek:

[Drew]

Without traffic tickets the government would go broke and I'm not even starting the weed debate here.

We don't necessarily need more cops to do the serious stuff we just need the ones who do to actually take the serious stuff seriously.
Why did you bring up the weed busts and tickets then?

[Mushu]

Why did you bring up the weed busts and tickets then?

Examples of things cops spend too much resources on which should be used for real crime.

[scumdog]

Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.

Instead of bleating on about it on KB (ALWAYS so productive...) why not tell the Police bosses, politicians and ACC of your ideas??

I'm sure they'll never have heard that sort of thing before....:lol:

[Mushu]

Instead of bleating on about it on KB (ALWAYS so productive...) why not tell the Police bosses, politicians and ACC of your ideas??

I'm sure they'll never have heard that sort of thing before....:lol:

Why would they give a fuck what I have to say, like you said, it's not like they've never heard it before.

[Smifffy]

Good question, is there such a thing as a better cop? The ones they are importing from the UK don't seem any better than the home grown ones. :laugh: Same mix of the odd really good ones, the really odd ones and offish ones. :bleh: The family has even tried breeding the buggers - talk about doomed for failure :eek:

LOL, maybe we are chasing the UK model. A recent survey of the UK public found "Public confidence in the police plummets the more they come in to contact with them".

[Kickaha]

Examples of things cops spend too much resources on which should be used for real crime.
How about you give us breakdown of the time and resources spent on the different areas of policing seeing as you seem to know so much about it

[Smifffy]

Apparently it's "-game over". Who'd a thunk?

[scumdog]

Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.


Maybe we should go back to 1991??

One third plus of the cops were traffic cops and drove different coloured cars to regular police cars and they wore a different uniform - they ONLY did traffic stuff and rarely worked night shift..

The other two-thirds (or less) did all the other 'police' work, no traffic stuff.

How would that suit??

[Scuba_Steve]

Maybe we should go back to 1991??

One third plus of the cops were traffic cops and drove different coloured cars to regular police cars and they wore a different uniform - they ONLY did traffic stuff and rarely worked night shift..

The other two-thirds (or less) did all the other 'police' work, no traffic stuff.

How would that suit??

Approved! implement it immediately!!!
Following implementation start on "restructuring" the traffic dept without delay :bleh:

[oneofsix]

Maybe we should go back to 1991??

One third plus of the cops were traffic cops and drove different coloured cars to regular police cars and they wore a different uniform - they ONLY did traffic stuff and rarely worked night shift..

The other two-thirds (or less) did all the other 'police' work, no traffic stuff.

How would that suit??

Sounds like a fantastic idea. Which third would you be in? :bleh:

[Kickaha]

Sounds like a fantastic idea. Which third would you be in? :bleh:

The third that gets all the donuts

[scumdog]

Hmm..in 1991 people weren't so keen on the idea, Road Nazis and all that...of course some are still in the job spreading the cheer - and people STILL don't like it...what-a-surprise!:rolleyes::whistle:

(And somewhere there's a squadron of planes going over some peoples heads...)

[Banditbandit]

(And somewhere there's a squadron of planes going over some peoples heads...)

Only a squadron ??? Looks like a whole air arm to me ...

[oldrider]

If the police are appearing to be less effective, could it be because the population consists of a higher proportion of fuckwits each year! :mellow:

[Banditbandit]

If the police are appearing to be less effective, could it be because the police consists of a higher proportion of fuckwits each year! :mellow:



There - fixed that for you before someone else did.

[oldrider]

There - fixed that for you before someone else did.

Kinda gives me a bob each way without blame, hey we could become a political team! :blip:

[Banditbandit]

Kinda gives me a bob each way without blame, hey we could become a political team! :blip:

Kinda like the Māori Party - one from the left and one from the centre and one from ... ( ... errr ... ka turituri ahau ...)

[Drew]

Kinda like the Māori Party - one from the left and one from the centre and one from ... ( ... errr ... ka turituri ahau ...)Can I be the one from the unknown?

I'll be the one who gets in trouble lots.:cool:

[oldrider]

Kinda like the Māori Party - one from the left and one from the centre and one from ... ( ... errr ... ka turituri ahau ...)

At least the Maori party got them (Maori) actively "involved" in the political tent instead of sucking up to Labour and getting ignored or patronised forever!

I think John Key treated the Maori party with real respect and appropriate mana despite the fact that critics claim he was only feathering his own nest.

Isn't that what MMP is all about anyway!

IMHO the Mana party is a step backwards as long as they rely on all the political dregs and drop-out's they can muster to bolster their numbers artificially!

[Banditbandit]

Yes, I think you are right .. but while I have supported the Māori Party, I always thought it had the seeds of its own destruction within it .. the four MPs, Tariana, Hone, Peter and Te Ururoa (one of them is a relation so don't you lot go mouthing off about my whanau) because they are such a politically disparate group and would never really agree .. and would self-destruct.

Hone has already gone ... but I'm surprised the party has survived as it has ... and I would not exepct it to last much beyond the next election - especially in National do not win ... and a few months ago I thought National would romp in ... now I am not so sure ..

[Banditbandit]

Can I be the one from the unknown?

I'll be the one who gets in trouble lots.:cool:

Fuck - you and me both ... I have this innate ability to be in the shit with someone ...

[oldrider]

Yes, I think you are right .. but while I have supported the Māori Party, I always thought it had the seeds of its own destruction within it .. the four MPs, Tariana, Hone, Peter and Te Ururoa (one of them is a relation so don't you lot go mouthing off about my whanau) because they are such a politically disparate group and would never really agree .. and would self-destruct.

Hone has already gone ... but I'm surprised the party has survived as it has ... and I would not exepct it to last much beyond the next election - especially in National do not win ... and a few months ago I thought National would romp in ... now I am not so sure ..

I feel the wheels are in motion now for the NZ style of democracy to peak again: I.E.

The disenchanted electorate will vote the incumbents "out" as opposed to voting anyone "in"!

The electorate has nothing that they are convinced that they want to vote "in" so they go to the polls in an dispirited state of mind and we end up with a lucky dip scramble that sorts it's self into some semblance of order by compromise and cajoling to form a majority and from there a government is born!

The unsuccessful scurry around and form a sort of an opposition alignment and commence to suck the public trough dry for the next three to nine year cycle!

Such is MMP in NZ these temporary alliances are more aligned in loyalty to each other than they are to the electorate until the next couple of elections when it all starts over again and the electorate is pissed off enough to throw the incumbents off their perch again.

[Drew]

I feel the wheels are in motion now for the NZ style of democracy to peak again: I.E.

The disenchanted electorate will vote the incumbents "out" as opposed to voting anyone "in"!

The electorate has nothing that they are convinced that they want to vote "in" so they go to the polls in an dispirited state of mind and we end up with a lucky dip scramble that sorts it's self into some semblance of order by compromise and cajoling to form a majority and from there a government is born!

The unsuccessful scurry around and form a sort of an opposition alignment and commence to suck the public trough dry for the next three to nine year cycle!

Such is MMP in NZ these temporary alliances are more aligned in loyalty to each other than they are to the electorate until the next couple of elections when it all starts over again and the electorate is pissed off enough to throw the incumbents off their perch again.I expect you are right. What does that say about us? Deserve what we fucken get I reckon!

[Smifffy]

I feel the wheels are in motion now for the NZ style of democracy to peak again: I.E.

The disenchanted electorate will vote the incumbents "out" as opposed to voting anyone "in"!

The electorate has nothing that they are convinced that they want to vote "in" so they go to the polls in an dispirited state of mind and we end up with a lucky dip scramble that sorts it's self into some semblance of order by compromise and cajoling to form a majority and from there a government is born!

The unsuccessful scurry around and form a sort of an opposition alignment and commence to suck the public trough dry for the next three to nine year cycle!

Such is MMP in NZ these temporary alliances are more aligned in loyalty to each other than they are to the electorate until the next couple of elections when it all starts over again and the electorate is pissed off enough to throw the incumbents off their perch again.

At the moment I really can't see any option that i would want to vote "IN".

[Ocean1]

At the moment I really can't see any option that i would want to vote "IN".

Just at the moment?

[Madness]

Congratulations to the happy couple.

:corn:

[haydes55]

Congratulations to the happy couple.



:corn:



When asked what the risk of David Bain becoming a repeat offender was, the parole board replied "there's no family left to kill".

Uh oh.... Bain family, take two.

[jim.cox]

Hope she got a bullet proof vest for a wedding present

[Akzle]

i'm annoyed at the way this has been reported.
often:
"david bain, who served 13 years in jail after being convicted of killing his family (if you didn't know this you must have been under a rock) and was later released on a re trial..."
rather than
"david bain, who was wrongly convicted..."

but hey, noones stupid enough to believe the media... oooooooh. wait on

[oldrider]

i'm annoyed at the way this has been reported.
often:
"david bain, who served 13 years in jail after being convicted of killing his family (if you didn't know this you must have been under a rock) and was later released on a re trial..."
rather than
"david bain, who was wrongly convicted..."

but hey, noones stupid enough to believe the media... oooooooh. wait on

Or even using words like ... wrongfully released at retrial by a suspect jury! :confused:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hey did you hear about David Bain's stag party?

You had to bike round the block then have a shot in each room................

[Robbo]

A Few more David Bain Funnies

David Bain & bride rumoured to be taking nuptials in colour disco-ordinated sweaters.

One benefit for David Bain's new missus is she won't have any mother in law problems

David Bain's Bucks night reportedly ended with a round of shots for everyone.

Congratulations to David Bain! Love her and cherish her; just don't treat her like family.

Who was the best man at David Bain's at his wedding? Clayton Weatherston?

Hope David Bain doesn't talk in his sleep

David Bain swaps one life sentence for another

David Bain has a new closest relative? Oh, I’m sure this will end well.

I take it that the Bain family wasn't represented at David's wedding today?

They are turning the David Bain story into a movie. 4 Funerals & A Wedding.

David Bain gives marriage a shot!

I hope when David Bain does his vows he gives his bride a saucy wink when it gets to the "til death do you part" bit

The woman marrying David Bain obviously wanted a man of high calibre.

David Bain's side of the aisle will be fairly empty I suspect.

Is there a photographer at David Bain's wedding, or is he doing the family shots?

[Akzle]

The woman marrying David Bain obviously wanted a man of high calibre.

.22 is not a high calibre. infact it's pretty much the second lowest.

[oldrider]

.22 is not a high calibre. infact it's pretty much the second lowest.

Dead is dead irrespective of calibre and have they checked "his" thumbs? :niceone:

[awa355]

How is he going to support her? The only work experience he has is doing a newspaper delivery run. :Playnice:

I also have a question, Is David Bain entitled to apply for a firearms licence??:ar15:

[pete376403]

He's entitled to apply for one. Whether he would get one issued or not is another thing, although what grounds do the police have for opposing?

[oldrider]

Did Joe Karam go on the honeymoon with them to speak for Bain and advise him how to answer her questions? :rofl:

[Swoop]

The only work experience he has is doing a newspaper delivery run. :Playnice:
He has worked in Auckland as a welder, for quite a while.

[Banditbandit]

He just needs a new family to play with ...

[BoristheBiter]

Did Joe Karam go on the honeymoon with them to speak for Bain and advise him how to answer her questions? :rofl:

Nah he got tips from his groomsman on how to treat his wife on the wedding night.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11185381

[oldrider]

Yeah right! ........ The Adage "Birds of a feather flock together" springs to mind:

Speaking to the Herald yesterday, Joe Karam said Wilson was Mr Bain's best and oldest friend.

The pair were two of the longest-serving inmates in their section of the prison and, though other inmates came and went, the two remained close.

"They sort of naturally became ... very close friends. The single person he [Mr Bain] has spent the most time with over the past 18 years is Paul Wilson."

It is crap like this that engenders the perception that "Crime pays, especially in New Zealand"! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

Ya'll are assuming that he killed his family ....

[Robbo]

Ya'll are assuming that he killed his family ....

Autopsy reports showed that they all died of Lead Poisoning.:whistle:

[Akzle]

He has worked in Auckland as a welder, for quite a while.

:psst:


The Reibz :confused:

[oldrider]

Ya'll are assuming that he killed his family ....

He (David Bain) is the only living person who knows the answer to that assumption and Joe Karam won't let him say anything! :oi-grr:

If he underwent a proved lie detector test ... the majority of us could live with the result ... the question is ... could he? :shifty:

[Akzle]

If he underwent a proved lie detector test ... the majority of us could live with the result ... the question is ... could he? :shifty:

well jim, they dont work.
There was also, *unquestionably* fuckups by police and crown,
EVEN IF he did kill them, IT COULDNT BE PROVED TO LEGAL STANDARDS.

[Banditbandit]

He (David Bain) is the only living person who knows the answer to that assumption and Joe Karam won't let him say anything! :oi-grr:

If he underwent a proved lie detector test ... the majority of us could live with the result ... the question is ... could he? :shifty:

1 Bain claims he doesn't remember anything - I'm at least inclined to believe that

2 It has not been proven he killed his family - Robin Bain is a much stronger suspect and a stronger case can be made against him ...

3 Lie detectors do not work to a level that constitutes proof either way - they can be beaten ... and 3a If david truly doesn't remember then the lie detector test is irrelevant.

[oldrider]

Meanwhile "five" dead people have the crimes against them unaccounted for .... rust never sleeps and neither should Police or Justice, even in this fucked up country!

Somebody did it ... if it wasn't Robyn or David (?) ... they should be still looking further afield ... this crime deserves constant attention!

Compensation my arse! :no:

[Banditbandit]

If it was Robin then it is four who were sinned against ... and one suicide ... and how are you going to hold Robin accountable???

And how about all the other unsolved murders in Godzone? Or maybe the moral outrage at the crimes against people in Iraq, Iran, SYria ???

If you feel moral outrage against one, surely you feel moral outrage against the rest ...

(I believe the police have held onto the view that david did it for so long that they are incapable of looking elsewhere ... )

[Edbear]

Who dunnit has been thrashed in this thread. IMHO, anyone who has objectively and thoroughly examined all the available evidence, and very little is unavailable, could only conclude that Robin could not have done it and the known, factual evidence points only to David. That's the factual evidence by the way, not the defenses speculative, possible, maybe's.

This thread has all the links and references should anyone want to re - argue it.

[Madness]

IMHO, anyone who has objectively and thoroughly examined all the available evidence, and very little is unavailable, could only conclude that Robin could not have done it and the known, factual evidence points only to David. That's the factual evidence by the way, not the defenses speculative, possible, maybe's.

Why'd they let him out then, smart-arse?

[Edbear]

Why'd they let him out then, smart-arse?

Don't tell me, let me guess. You haven't read everything to do with the case, have you? You haven't read this thread, either. In short, you know very little about it. That way you can believe and say whatever you like.

If you want to know why he was judged acquitted, may I politely suggest you read the trial notes?

[Madness]

Don't tell me, let me guess. You haven't read everything to do with the case, have you? You haven't read this thread, either. In short, you know very little about it. That way you can believe and say whatever you like.

If you want to know why he was judged acquitted, may I politely suggest you read the trial notes?

You're right, I've read fuck all about it. I'm not that interested & I have a life, unlike yourself. The fact is, I rate the opinion of the Privy Council, The High Court & the Jurors in the second trial above that of some old Joho battery salesman fuckwit who thinks he knows everything just because he's read some shit on the internet.

I know perfectly well why he was acquitted in the second trial. I want you to explain how you think that could have happened in light of (in your opinion) such irrefutable evidence.

:msn-wink:

[Edbear]

You're right, I've read fuck all about it. I'm not that interested & I have a life, unlike yourself. The fact is, I rate the opinion of the Privy Council, The High Court & the Jurors in the second trial above that of some old Joho battery salesman fuckwit who thinks he knows everything just because he's read some shit on the internet.

I know perfectly well why he was acquitted in the second trial. I want you to explain how you think that could have happened in light of (in your opinion) such irrefutable evidence.

:msn-wink:

I see no reason to argue with self - confessed ignorance and disinterest. Anyone who has to resort to foul mouthed name calling obviously lacks the necessary intellect for reasoned discussion.

[Madness]

I see no reason to argue with self - confessed ignorance and disinterest. Anyone who has to resort to foul mouthed name calling obviously lacks the necessary intellect for reasoned discussion.

So you've got nothing then. I thought as much.

[phill-k]

Compensation my arse! :no:

Wonder if you would say my arse if one of your children had been imprisoned for 13 yrs and then later was found not guilty of the crime.

Or would you just say bad luck son just get on with your life all will be ok, and by the way don't feel any anger you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Edbear]

So you've got nothing then. I thought as much.

Well, when you have already proved you haven't read, can't read, don't read, and have no intention to read, I would be a mug to let you draw me into debating anything with you. I am not a mug.

Still, as long as you feel you are effectively stroking your own ego, you go ahead and feel as superior as you need to.

Now, let's get back on topic.

[Smifffy]

There's flogging a dead horse, and then there's you cunts standing around flailing at a greasy dark mark in the paddock where a dead horse used to be.

Congratulations to the bride and groom.

If he does ever get compo, I wonder what her rights are under whatever they call the matrimonial property act these days are.

[Madness]

Wank wank wank...

There's so much more to life than just reading, Ed.


Oh, wait... That's right. I keep forgetting you're a drug addled basket case.


Now, let's get back on topic.

Yeah, let's.

I do hope we see some little Bains arrive in the future. It would be lovely if David was to father some children and maybe even name them after his dead family members.

:2thumbsup

[Edbear]

Wonder if you would say my arse if one of your children had been imprisoned for 13 yrs and then later was found not guilty of the crime.

Or would you just say bad luck son just get on with your life all will be ok, and by the way don't feel any anger you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The not guilty verdict was a qualified one based on legal technicalities. Under the law as it stands, the defense was able to present enough evidence, though not the factual evidence from the scene of the crime, but legal terms and definitions that meant the guilty verdict was not proven beyond doubt.

Even the Privy Council, would not go as far as saying he was proved innocent.

If anyone had wanted to make a case against Robin, and remember nobody, not even Joe Karam would try that on, the case would have been laughed out of court. He simply could not have been the killer going by the factual evidence. People vilify the Police, but if they could have proved Robin did it, they would have mounted their case against him. In the beginning, they thought it was a murder - suicide, but that proved not to fit the facts as they emerged. Remember, too, that the defense only presented Robin as a probable alternative. They clearly said it was either Robin or David. There was no other person.

[oldrider]

Wonder if you would say my arse if one of your children had been imprisoned for 13 yrs and then later was found not guilty of the crime.

Or would you just say bad luck son just get on with your life all will be ok, and by the way don't feel any anger you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The further North from the scene of the crime the stronger the "opinion" is that David is innocent of the crime!

That is why the defence wouldn't allow the trial to be held in Dunedin and many hold the belief that the Christchurch trial was suspect!

If you want to compensate him there is nothing stopping you .... just get the gorse out of your pocket and pay him ... I don't want to! :no:

[Banditbandit]

Well, David's wedding was going well - until the photograph asked "Would you like a family shot?"

[oldrider]

Unless it was himself David Bain doesn't necessarily know who did it either .... unless he was actually there ... maybe it was a mix!

Only David knows the truth ... wonder if he told Joe? ... Now that there's a Mrs David ... will Joe feel left out? ... next episode coming soon! :corn:

[Banditbandit]

Maybe Karam will feel alienated and angry - and produce the gun himself this time ...

Will David wear silly jerseys again? Will the police get the right man ??? Will another house get burned down?

What evil lurks in the hearts of men?? Only The Shadow knows ...

[Akzle]

Will David wear silly jerseys again?

http://www.retrocrush.com/archive/sweaters/
. .

[Banditbandit]

My God .. do such abominations truly exist ???

[Akzle]

wool is actually fucking awesome for sweaters. prefer a v neck myself. not opposed to buttons either. i like buttons.

[oldrider]

Wool was originally produced in NZ by dubious Pakehas' who wanted it to pull it over the eyes of the tangata whenua ... Hone told me that! :niceone:

Some think David Bain picked up on that idea and used it on the NZ judiciary system and now seeks compensation from the taxpayer ... is it working for him yet? :shifty:

[Banditbandit]

Fuck - he should be paying us compensation for the pain and suffering visually inflicted by his jerseys ..