Carrying extra fuel?

[kaeta]

Hi everyone,

I am wanting to carry 2 5L fuel cans on my bike when I go away. I am wondering if this is legal? I have a luggage box on the back and I was going to make some brackets on the outside of the box and strap the fuel cans to either side of the box. They will be within the length of the rear indicators and I'm going to use proper fuel cans. It is legal to have a fuel can on the outside of a 4wd so I am guessing the same applies for a motorcycle.

Thanks

[unstuck]

Good question, I have always just assumed I can, and have. Never given the legality of it much thought to tell you the truth.:facepalm:

[buggerit]

Can't be any different to the tank between your knees can it?

[Gremlin]

I think I've seen references to carrying fuel on things like ferries, and it's not supposed to be anywhere but the main fuel tank of the vehicle.

For normal use, I think if it's an approved fuel container, you're OK.

[Waipukbiker]

Ive got a 5.56 mm Army Ammo box bolted across the front of my rear carrier and the 5ltr container from Mitre 10 is an exact fit in it. I just made up a lockable bracket to hold it in the box. When i dont require the extra fuel, the normal lid goes on which is fully weatherproof and lockable. Im not sure about other bikes but ProCycle sell fuel containers that fit between the saddle bag racks and the bags them selves on the DR650.

[fridayflash]

like waipukbiker ive carried fuel a lot, either in a 5L container strapped to my carrier or
a 2L container in either side zip pockets of my tailbag..dont see it as any different to the gas your
carrying in your fuel tank anyhow

[Gremlin]

Just bear in mind you want 2x5L. That's about 10kg of fuel, and I bet your box isn't designed to cope with that additional weight.

[dino3310]

as long as the load is secure.

ive been pulled over a couple of times with extra fuel, so after the usual wof rego thing cop just checked to see if the can was secure and i was on my way.

quite often i have my half dozen coke bottles full of gas hanging of the bike strung at the bottle neck hanging over like saddle bags, havent been pulled over with those yet.

not to worried about it, plus it only seems to be my speeding that gets there attention not the manner of load on my bike

[bart]

unsure of the exact wording, but there’s some transport law that states you’re not to allowed to carry more than 5 litres in (or on) your vehicle (excluding fuel tank of course) unless you’re licenced to carry dangerous goods.

[Mushu]

unsure of the exact wording, but there’s some transport law that states you’re not to allowed to carry more than 5 litres in (or on) your vehicle (excluding fuel tank of course) unless you’re licenced to carry dangerous goods.

What if you hold a DG license would I have to display a class 3 placard?

[dino3310]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/dangerous-goods-2005.html#21
look at 2.1

[RedKLR650]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/dangerous-goods-2005.html#21
look at 2.1

Actually, 2.4 (2) seem to be more relevant...... ?

[Eddieb]

Dunno how it relates to carrying the fuel on bikes, but Repco, mitre 10 etc only sell petrol containers up to 20 litres because apparently above that you need a dangerous goods license to carry it.

[unstuck]

Sweet, I have DG endorsement so I can strap a 50 ltr to the bike if I want.:wings::wings:

[R650R]

What sort of bike are you on? see 250 in profile... 10L is a LOT of extra fuel... btw Bunnings have 3.8L containers that are a handy size and only cost $9.95, I use one on the DR650.
As for ferries, yep separate maritime laws for DGs, need to be placarded on all sides and booked ahead etc... but then just like the truck there's what they can see and what they can't...
As for DG's quantities below 50 kg don't need to be placarded but you then still need supporting documentation from the person who loaded it, an emergency response plan, MSDS specs for the substance but that's for a business, pretty sure Joe Blow public can carry the same when not for hire or reward or else you'd never get home from Bunnings with your house paint...
I let my endorsement lapse back when I was still involved in that stuff and told the boss I wasn't going to cart it anymore as no one else in the chain ever does their part of the job properly and at about $2000 per offence its not worth going near the stuff. A lot of people say she'll be right mate but the cops love writing out tickets to the contrary so if your job involves this stuff make sure your on the ball.
If you post your planned journey people here can advise where fuel stops are, even in the south island its surprising whats available down there in out of the way places.

[clint640]

I have seen some quite tidy setups with a bracket off the passenger footpeg mounts for small fuel cans, would save a lot of stress on the subframe.


What sort of bike are you on? see 250 in profile... 10L is a LOT of extra fuel... .

Indeed, those ZZR's carry a decent amount of fuel anyway don't they? Unless you are riding a trials bike through the Molesworth there aren't many routes in NZ that would need 10L of extra gas.

Cheers
Clint

[Tug Boat]

Use a ROTOPAX 4 ltr comes with a great mounting system which never comes loose .
I have been on the Interislander ferry with no issues
You can get them from www.adventuremoto.com.au the cost about $200.00 bloody good gear.

[Akzle]

err..
at law, it needs to be accessible from, and vented to, the exterior of the vehicle. :blink: :shit:

[That looks like fun]

If all else fails, read the rule book :niceone:
First comes product knowledge, Petrol is a class 3 DG and is in Packing group II. :baby:

Second comes knowledge of intended use :scooter:
Schedule 1 Quantity limits for dangerous goods transported for domestic or recreational purposes, for use as tools-of-trade, for agricultural use or for a commercial purpose, but not transported for hire or direct reward

Of to the schedule we go and TA DAA!! :banana:

Flammable liquids (Class 3)
Packing group II or III

250 litres

Fill ya boots mate :headbang:

I would however question why you need so much :scratch: muslim? :angry2:

[Akzle]

I would however question why you need so much :scratch: muslim? :angry2:

the muslims typically have a far better vehicle fleet, particularly than NZ, and thus actually use less fuel than the western world...

[That looks like fun]

the muslims typically have a far better vehicle fleet, particularly than NZ, and thus actually use less fuel than the western world...

And I thought the reason for the less fuel use was because they cant all afford cars :killingme

[R650R]

If all else fails, read the rule book :niceone:
First comes product knowledge, Petrol is a class 3 DG and is in Packing group II. :baby:

Second comes knowledge of intended use :scooter:
Schedule 1 Quantity limits for dangerous goods transported for domestic or recreational purposes, for use as tools-of-trade, for agricultural use or for a commercial purpose, but not transported for hire or direct reward

Of to the schedule we go and TA DAA!! :banana:

Flammable liquids (Class 3)
Packing group II or III

250 litres

Fill ya boots mate :headbang:

I would however question why you need so much :scratch: muslim? :angry2:

100% correct and a great example about how many of our laws are about revenue collecting and not safety of public/emergency services.
The same scenario if loaded into a commercial truck instead of your car boot, lets say 4 x 20L petrol containers would go like this:
Car no placards or warnings etc, first responders exposed to explosion/fire risk. No extra fines for car driver.
Truck - Emergency services cordon of scene and wait 8 hours for an expert to arrive from Auckland. Driver gets $2000 instant fines for each of the four common mistakes easily made while the employer gets $10000 for same.
Sorry for the rant, this is one of those things that annoys me, endless beauracracy bought in after the ICI fire that ironically doesn't prevent the same scenario from happening again as there are no 'rules' when its on the freight shed floor...
BTW make sure you've got good tyres at the start. Those south island roads are a lot coarser plus 'ahem' time passes faster on those deserted roads... it sucks having to divert into chch to buy a new rear tyre mid tour lol...

[kaeta]

Hey everyone, thanks for your replies. I now have a 2006 Yamaha TTR 250 and it only has a 11ltr or so tank on it, Hence why I would like to carry extra fuel. What I thought about doing was riding with the cans half full or empty on the road in case I run out and fill them up before I go to into a remote location. someone mentioned about the 3ltr cans from bunnings, I might opt for those instead and make up a bracket that attaches to the rear luggage rack to carry them or something. I would like to get a bigger fuel tank on the bike but can't afford to at the moment.

[awa355]

Hey everyone, thanks for your replies. I now have a 2006 Yamaha TTR 250 and it only has a 11ltr or so tank on it. someone mentioned about the 3ltr cans from bunnings, I might opt for those instead .

I carry one of these 3.8l tanks from Bunnings, I carry one sometimes on my scooter and I dont like a couple of its features. The spout is of a hard plastic with a shallow angled outlet which means having to tip the tank almost up on end to feed the spout end into the tank. I prefer the older type that has a more flexible spout. Probably not an issue with a motorbike tank as long as the fuel doesn't leak around the cap.

This 3.8l tank requires the spout to be carried on the outside of the container, which can result in road dust accumilating on the spout surface. Also easy to lose or leave the spout behind. I prefer the tank where the spout sits inside the tank under the inlet cap.

[That looks like fun]

Check out the nomad fuel tank site. Nobody seems to make a stock replacement tank for the TTR but a mate I ride with fitted a Nomad tank and it seems a good product. I have found in the North Island that 350 k fuel range will get you most places without to much hassle of searching for gas. South Island may be different requirement :scratch:

[dino3310]

2.5ltr coke bottles i tell ya, tie/strap a few of those bad boys on and you can go anywhere, bin em when dispensed

[R650R]

I carry one of these 3.8l tanks from Bunnings, I carry one sometimes on my scooter and I dont like a couple of its features. The spout is of a hard plastic with a shallow angled outlet which means having to tip the tank almost up on end to feed the spout end into the tank. I prefer the older type that has a more flexible spout. Probably not an issue with a motorbike tank as long as the fuel doesn't leak around the cap.

This 3.8l tank requires the spout to be carried on the outside of the container, which can result in road dust accumilating on the spout surface. Also easy to lose or leave the spout behind. I prefer the tank where the spout sits inside the tank under the inlet cap.

The ones I bought about a year ago stow the spout inside the tank.

[richyrich]

why not get one of those fuel bladders that can hold up to 8lts for the small one ,to the bigger ones that can hold shit loads.
i used an 8lt one when i did unsupported to cape york 3or4 years ago.bloody brilliant,fill them up at the servo,tip them into the tank when you need it,then roll them up and stow them.they are made from some fairly durable material and have eyelets at each corner for tying onto your rack.
you can get them from liquid containments (google it) in aus.
mine rolled up about the size of a roll of gladwrap and had a brass fuel cap and are designed to carry fuel. would take a pic,but it's still in brisbane with the rest of my riding gear

[R650R]

why not get one of those fuel bladders that can hold up to 8lts for the small one ,to the bigger ones that can hold shit loads.
i used an 8lt one when i did unsupported to cape york 3or4 years ago.bloody brilliant,fill them up at the servo,tip them into the tank when you need it,then roll them up and stow them.they are made from some fairly durable material and have eyelets at each corner for tying onto your rack.
you can get them from liquid containments (google it) in aus.
mine rolled up about the size of a roll of gladwrap and had a brass fuel cap and are designed to carry fuel. would take a pic,but it's still in brisbane with the rest of my riding gear

Interesting, bit pricey though...

http://liquidcontainment.com.au/category/12/Motor-Bike

[Mushu]

I wonder how comfortable and how heavy the combination one is although I'm not too sure whether I would want to be carrying a bladder full of petrol on my back when I'm trail riding

[dino3310]

ive seen those handle bar mounted ones at the bike shop, not sure how they would feel been on the bars plus only a couple of litres. I still favour the coke bottles for trail riding, tie them on anywhere and bif em when used

[pete-blen]

I still favour the coke bottles for trail riding, tie them on anywhere and bif em when used

:nono: :spanking:

[dino3310]

i biff em in the bins provided

[pete-blen]

i biff em in the bins provided

good save.....