John Key pissing Campbell off re GCSB

[oldrider]

All rounds won by John Key and if Campbell would just shut up it would have been a lot more interesting to listen too and possibly even more informative.

Here it is: http://www.3news.co.nz/John-Key-clarifies-the-GCSB-Bill/tabid/817/articleID/309018/Default.aspx

Campbell is a piss poor interviewer IMHO and Key showed a bit of class in containing his grandstanding.

I was impressed by Key what do you think? (this is KB no need to hold back and be shy!) :rolleyes:

[Grizzo]

Key is a good talker, but arent all jew bankers good at that?

[scumdog]

Yep, Campbell seemed to be really getting his knickers in a big twist, I thought he was going to spit the dummy - or cry!:laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Meh Key was speaking politician & avoided soo many questions no wonder Campbell was getting pissed off, I'm not a fan of Campbell he's not much better he's like the opposition party but I'd get pissed off too with the crap Key talks & the way he keeps dodging.

[scumdog]

Meh Key was speaking politician & avoided soo many questions no wonder Campbell was getting pissed off, I'm not a fan of Campbell he's not much better he's like the opposition party but I'd get pissed off too with the crap Key talks & the way he keeps dodging.

Key struggled to get a word in with Campbells 'but-Prime minister-but-but' crap.

[Scuba_Steve]

Key struggled to get a word in with Campbells 'but-Prime minister-but-but' crap.

??? Key took up 90% of the talking the "but prime minister" came in every time Key tried to steer off course (which admittedly at the end was alot)

[mashman]

I didn't think either of them were bad. Still think the GCSB is a crock of shit given that it's only, according to Key, checking for malware and viruses. Why not just sell the tools to those who believe that they have something to protect?

Laughable that he compares the number of submissions for Snapper v's GCSB as a mandate for putting the legislation in place.

[ducatilover]

Campbell is an arrogant shit eating beigeist.

[The Reibz]

Never mind this GCSB shet. What about my farken Snapper!!! Hahaha

[carbonhed]

Don't often bother to watch tv but that was the biggest arse fucking I've seen in a while. John Campbell you took it like a champ... what a fucking tool.

Key goes up in my estimation.


ETA bring on mumblefuck Shearer it'll be a bloodbath.

[scissorhands]

Its a staged farce
Camp smell is there to make Kray look good
Gobble it down
clean up lickers

[Akzle]

Its a staged farce
Camp smell is there to make Kray look good
Gobble it down
clean up lickers

your poetry has really taken a slide since the psychosis diagnosis

[Akzle]

Key is a good talker, but arent all jew bankers good at that?
. .

[Ulsterkiwi]

Campbell seemed to make a big deal out of Key taking a while to come on the show and then blew it by trying to yell over the top of Key. I was genuinely interested in this whole thing being debated, more than disappointing. Pity, that was the best chance cos Shearer and the Greens cant put a coherent sentence together about this.

[Swoop]

I bet he spent the day getting coaching from his PR people... and it showed.
Campbell did appear to be completely lost, which is unusual for him, even with a desk-load of paperwork to refer to in front of him.

The PM looked quite in control of the interview.

[gwigs]

John Key is an arrogant shit eating cunt

Fixed it for you..:bleh:

[avgas]

"I go up and down the country, and people do not raise the GCSB"

People didn't talk about the SS either. FBI?
CIA?

Yes I am going to talk to the leader of a country about how I don't like their secret service spying on me. That won't make me disappear of the face of the earth :facepalm:

JK intelligence has dropped in my mind if he can't figure that fact out.

I mean come on, it's like screaming "Fuck the Police!" at student party. They then put away the hand cuffs and pull out the big sticks.

[The Reibz]

Not a fan of Campbell after after the glorious shitstorm of a interview one of his reporters had with Winston Peters at Auckland airport regarding his now notorious "Auckland, the city of Sin" speech to some grey power cunts in Takapuna. Pretty sure most media companies are paid off by the Government anyway. I trust fuck all I see in the news these days.

For the record, I fucken hate John Key too. He might have done a good job for a bit but the last 2 years hes fucked just about all of it up. Hes a one punch...

Chur

[Scuba_Steve]

[I]"I go up and down the country, and people do not raise the GCSB"


Well no shit, maybee if he talked to people outside of the 'political old boys club' the outcome would be different. He completely ignores how hard it is for NZ's people to actually talk to a PM you can't just walk upto him unless it's a PR event & even then they quite often screen

[Banditbandit]

I didn't watch all the interview - I will try to on the net today - but I thought Key did win that one - Campbell looked a little phased by Key's answers at times ...

So round one to DonKey .. but does that make the legislation acceptable and right ??? Not in my opinion - good PR job by the smiling PM ...

[yod]

Pretty sure most media companies are paid off by the Government anyway.


baaaahahahahaa


this is you yeah??

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg?f9d891

[Banditbandit]

baaaahahahahaa


this is you yeah??



Prolly the intelligent one on the right ...



Pretty sure most media companies are paid off by the Government anyway. I trust fuck all I see in the news these days.




Me neither - but not for that reason ...

[unstuck]

The metallica song "kill em all" comes to mind.:shifty:

[buggerit]

Pootangs Law- scum always floats to the top:angry2:

[puddytat]

To glorify democracy & silence the people is a farce......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/15/to-glorify-democracy-and-silence-the-people-is-a-farce/

[unstuck]

To glorify democracy & silence the people is a farce......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/15/to-glorify-democracy-and-silence-the-people-is-a-farce/

:Punk::Punk:

“…freedom to create and construct, to wonder and to venture. Such freedom requires that the individual be active and responsible, not a slave or well fed cog in the machine…”


Good article that one puddy.:niceone:

[mashman]

To glorify democracy & silence the people is a farce......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/15/to-glorify-democracy-and-silence-the-people-is-a-farce/

Sums it up nicely :yes:. I prefer freedom and loud voices :wari:

[yod]

so I have a question

at what point are you considered an oppressor rather a member of the oppressed?

once your bank balance is "big enough"??

[oldrider]

To glorify democracy & silence the people is a farce......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/15/to-glorify-democracy-and-silence-the-people-is-a-farce/

Socialist twisting of the facts naturally has greatest appeal of those of a socialist mind and New Zealand is full of people like that, it is by nature a socialist country.

[yod]

Socialist twisting of the facts naturally has greatest appeal of those of a socialist mind and New Zealand is full of people like that, it is by nature a socialist country.


sshhhh, if the Americans find out, they'll invade!!

[Banditbandit]

Socialist twisting of the facts naturally has greatest appeal of those of a socialist mind and New Zealand is full of people like that, it is by nature a socialist country.

No, I'm sorry - there are no facts - only different views of the world - and they all "twist" to suit their own worldview .. nethier side is clean from that accusation.

[oldrider]

No, I'm sorry - there are no facts - only different views of the world - and they all "twist" to suit their own worldview .. nethier side is clean from that accusation.

Damn, why did I use that word ... of course you are right on the button but I stand by the comment that NZ is by nature a socialist thinking country!

[oneofsix]

Damn, why did I use that word ... of course you are right on the button but I stand by the comment that NZ is by nature a socialist thinking country!

more egalitarian than socialist. As much as TPTB are trying to change it NZ slips back to the believe that jack is as good as his master although they might value different things.

[Swoop]

sshhhh, if the Americans find out, they'll invade!!
Excellent!
We'll get loads of free infrastructure built for us (once we get past the friendly fire, etc, etc...)

[oneofsix]

Excellent!
We'll get loads of free infrastructure built for us (once we get past the friendly fire, etc, etc...)

You have to have a revolution against the American supported government first. Just remember not to use the internet to organise the revolution, actually allowing for friendly fire that might be the beat way to win ;-) umm Wonder if a campaign of revolutionary e-mails could result in US aid to NZ :devil2:

[yod]

Excellent!
We'll get loads of free infrastructure built for us (once we get past the friendly fire, etc, etc...)

no, no....

all the bends will disappear and we'll be left with DEAD-STRAIGHT highways

argh!!! :no:

[Swoop]

and we'll be left...

Quite true! They will insist we drive on the wrong side of the road as well.:rolleyes:

[Akzle]

no, no....

all the bends will disappear and we'll be left with DEAD-STRAIGHT highways

argh!!! :no:

of course! You MUST 'upgrade' to a harley ferguson...

[Banditbandit]

Damn, why did I use that word ... of course you are right on the button but I stand by the comment that NZ is by nature a socialist thinking country!

Yes, that used to be pretty true - however the neo-liberal agenda started by Labour, especially Roger Douglas, tried to change that and insert a true bourgoisie mentality into New Zeland and that largely has worked. Even the Labour Party of today is no longer socialist - and many of them would have a fit if they were called Socialist - I don't believe they are Socialist at all . They are a slightly pink tinge of centrist politics ...


more egalitarian than socialist. As much as TPTB are trying to change it NZ slips back to the believe that jack is as good as his master although they might value different things.

New Zealand might once have been close to the egalitarian myth ... but it has always been a myth ... justr a well accepted one, part of the hegemony and control processes of TPTB ... The "if a boy from a state house can be PM then anyone can " bullshit ... it's Williams Step ladder to success - a myth that is really only available to a few ...

New Zealand has also been very socialist at several points of our histroy - from the Socialism of the first Labour Government - John A Lee et al (Not Savage - an empty facade that one) - Mudoon's Government of the late 1970s early 80s (tho' Muldoon would have been horrified at that thought) ... even Holyoake was pretty Socialist by world standards ..

Holyoake was NEVER egalitarian however - He was an aristocratic prick ...

[oldrider]

Campbell Live tonight ... "me thinks he protests too much" ... he came a long second to Key and doesn't like it a bit! :oi-grr: Interesting if nothing else!

[mashman]

Socialist twisting of the facts naturally has greatest appeal of those of a socialist mind and New Zealand is full of people like that, it is by nature a socialist country.

What version of Socialist are you using as I can never find a solid definition. Although it'd be funny if is was to do with people coz by nature a socialist country would be one full of people.

[Scuba_Steve]

What version of Socialist are you using as I can never find a solid definition. Although it'd be funny if is was to do with people coz by nature a socialist country would be one full of people.

Hey, NZ is full of people!
But we have more sheep, maybee we're actually sheepist country???

[Drew]

After watching that, I'm happy to take what John Key says on faith.

Poor metaphor with the anti virus bit, but only because he never got a chance to finish what he was saying, what with that smug shit eating Campbell cunt constantly cutting him off.

I'd have explained that I would come back once I was allowed to answer the questions asked, fully. Then walked out.

[oldrider]

What version of Socialist are you using as I can never find a solid definition. Although it'd be funny if is was to do with people coz by nature a socialist country would be one full of people.

Actually that's a good question. (without people there isn't any need for any form of ism!)

Briefly:

A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. I.E. Collectivism rather than individualism. (mediocrity IMHO)

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, Socialism focuses on the weakest link, the lowest common denominator as the standard!

I prefer systems that focus on the strongest link and getting as many of the weaker links as possible up to that level as the standard.

The more strong links a chain consists of the less likely the chain is to fail prematurely.

That does not mean advocating casting out the weak links but nurturing them in a way that honours their competence and capacity to contribute.

Unfortunately the majority of New Zealanders think the government is all powerful and is in possession of a limitless vault of money that they are entitled to a share of!

My preferred attitude, don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel ... get on down there and light the bloody thing yourself!

Simplest terms of reply to your question mashman ... fire away, I think I can hack it!

[sinfull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YzNEBA9Cl7U#at=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFEo5-dCrM

One last comment !

Fuck you all ! I hope i see it @!

[mashman]

Actually that's a good question. (without people there isn't any need for any form of ism!)

Briefly:

A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. I.E. Collectivism rather than individualism. (mediocrity IMHO)

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, Socialism focuses on the weakest link, the lowest common denominator as the standard!

I prefer systems that focus on the strongest link and getting as many of the weaker links as possible up to that level as the standard.

The more strong links a chain consists of the less likely the chain is to fail prematurely.

That does not mean advocating casting out the weak links but nurturing them in a way that honours their competence and capacity to contribute.

Unfortunately the majority of New Zealanders think the government is all powerful and is in possession of a limitless vault of money that they are entitled to a share of!

My preferred attitude, don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel ... get on down there and light the bloody thing yourself!

Simplest terms of reply to your question mashman ... fire away, I think I can hack it!

Cheers pops ;). I agree with the nurturing bit and the lighting at the end of the tunnel (make sure you send an electrician to light it, then you can put a switch at the other end and save the walk :D... and don't forget to give him, or her, a bulb), but there are those who won't want nurturing until they're about 55 or 54 or 53 or 52.99 or 52.98 or 52.97 etc... years old (if at all).

What/who is/are the weakest link? and who decides what/who the weakest link is/are?

Mediocrity? By what/who's measure?

[Robert Taylor]

Key is a good talker, but arent all jew bankers good at that?

It is no small mercy that we don't have a complete fraud as Priminister, like that ''warm fuzzy'' idiot in Australia, Kevin Ruddiculous. Look at how that ''Government'' in six years has laid waste to the Australian economy.

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YzNEBA9Cl7U#at=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFEo5-dCrM

One last comment !

Fuck you all ! I hope i see it @!

Last page of a Mayan book... more commonly known as the Dresden Codex.

http://historyofinformation.com/images/dresden_codex_pg_74_small.jpg

Learn to swim.

[oneofsix]

New Zealand might once have been close to the egalitarian myth ... but it has always been a myth ... justr a well accepted one, part of the hegemony and control processes of TPTB ... The "if a boy from a state house can be PM then anyone can " bullshit ... it's Williams Step ladder to success - a myth that is really only available to a few ...

Yes it was a myth, but all isms are myths in the end however when we were closer to that myth and the gap between haves and have nots was much smaller it resulted in more caring across the board and people being seen as people instead of just resources. Yes there were exceptions to this but now it is the rule to treat others as things instead of people. As the BS about the PM from the state house that is more the capitalistic egalitarian BS that anyone can be rich if they just try harder were as the old NZ recognized that some just wanted there pint at the end of the day and not a yacht at the end of the garden.

[Winston001]

No, I'm sorry - there are no facts - only different views of the world - and they all "twist" to suit their own worldview .. nethier side is clean from that accusation.

Friedrich Nietzsche.

My personal dark credo.

Nihilism.

Nothing. The bleak abyss.

[SPman]

Key is reckoned to be one of the laziest PM's ever to inhabit the office - it goes with being a total psychopath................like Obama - don't listen to what he says - look at what he does!

[unstuck]

http://freedomkeys.com/politicians.jpg

[Swoop]

Poor metaphor with the anti virus bit...

A good point Drew. Will there be an increase of internet surveillance because of the chinese hacking and espionage that is happening?

Will GCSB be interested in chasing this, since there is ample evidence of vast quantities of valuable information being stolen. This matter IS of national interest. Lots of western countries are being data-mined and the appropriate govenment/s need to take action on this matter to protect national security, intellectual property and the research and development sector.

[davereid]

A good point Drew. Will there be an increase of internet surveillance because of the chinese hacking and espionage that is happening? Will GCSB be interested in chasing this, since there is ample evidence of vast quantities of valuable information being stolen. This matter IS of national interest. Lots of western countries are being data-mined and the appropriate govenment/s need to take action on this matter to protect national security, intellectual property and the research and development sector.

Todays paper reports an NZ company scammed, It imported some stuff from Korea. The invoice was sent by email. Between being sent, and received the account number was altered and the NZ company paid the funds into the scammers account.

I bet the GCSB dont investigate this either. (Their advice was "change your password every month...)

Of course the solution is to encrypt your emails. That stops the scammers AND the GCSB. Bet we dont get advised to do that.

[Banditbandit]

Friedrich Nietzsche.

My personal dark credo.

Nihilism.

Nothing. The bleak abyss.

That's a terrible interpretation and misinformatyion about Nietzsche. He was completely against Nihilism .. he rallies against it constantly - and what people have misinterpreted is his sarcasm and piss take statements as serious position statements ...

Nietzsche's ideal was the Noble being of higher purpose ...

[scumdog]

So...when last did we have a 'good' Prime Minister??

[unstuck]

So...when last did we have a 'good' Prime Minister??

Bit of an oxymoron there scummy.:msn-wink:

[oldrider]

So...when last did we have a 'good' Prime Minister??

Michael Joseph Savage but of course he was actually a "monetary reformist" (Social Credit advocate) rather than a true Labour socialist type.

Savage died early, Peter Fraser stepped up to the plate for WW2 and our prime ministers have since followed the trend of either displaying some "quirky personal traits" or were otherwise generally pretty forgettable characters. :mellow:

[Robert Taylor]

So...when last did we have a 'good' Prime Minister??

Keith Holyoake, Jack Marshall

[oldrider]

Keith Holyoake, Jack Marshall

They were quirky, not memorable for anything useful (I knew Holyoake, lived in his "safe" electorate) Marshal was a gentleman.

[Banditbandit]

Keith Holyoake, Jack Marshall

Bwhahahaha ... last of the born-to-rule aristocrats - Off With Their Heads ..

[oldrider]

Modern political brainwashing by means of media programs "foreign owned by Canadian interests" TV3's Campbell Live! :wacko:

Can't believe how gullible and tolerant New Zealanders really are in allowing media to do their thinking for them! :facepalm:

[Maha]

Modern political brainwashing by means of media programs "foreign owned by Canadian interests" TV3's Campbell Live! :wacko:

Can't believe how gullible and tolerant New Zealanders really are in allowing media to do their thinking for them! :facepalm:

And TV3 exposed that well by getting so many to supply their names and email address to someone they just met :corn:

[avgas]

Can't believe how gullible and tolerant New Zealanders really are in allowing media to do their thinking for them! :facepalm:
Hey!
I work a long hard day, in a shitty job, 5 days a week. Is it so much to ask to come home to a lovely wife, a home cooked meal and a media I don't have to think about???? HUH??? All I want to do is turn on the TV and watch some mind numbing media. OK?!!!!:lol:

[oldrider]

What? ... Your wife doesn't turn the TV on for you? ... Young people, I don't know! :no: tsk tsk what's the world coming to! :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

Hey!
I work a long hard day, in a shitty job, 5 days a week. Is it so much to ask to come home to a lovely wife, a home cooked meal and a media I don't have to think about???? HUH??? . All I want to do is turn on the TV and watch some mind numbing media. OK?!!!! :lol:

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[Oscar]

So this morning on TV I see the report on the town hall meeting.

Standing next to the Feminist Union leader, Helen Kelly, we a have a German Oaf with a background in porn, who is currently facing charges of stealing the intellectual property of studio workers, actors and musicians and after him we had the Paragon of Moral Leadership, Winston Peters.

I have a lot of respect for Helen Kelly, but I must say she needs to pick her friends with more care.

[oldrider]

How come that fat German got easy entry to NZ while that not quite so fat South African has been so roundly rejected! :shifty: $$$$$$ :rolleyes:

[avgas]

What? ... Your wife doesn't turn the TV on for you? ... Young people, I don't know! :no: tsk tsk what's the world coming to! :rolleyes:
I have to do some exercise. Makes me feel like my time on the planet isn't wasted.

[Banditbandit]

How come that fat German got easy entry to NZ while that not quite so fat South African has been so roundly rejected! :shifty: $$$$$$ :rolleyes:

The fat german had lots of money (and fireworks) the fat South African only had food. Now, us indigenous people would have accepted the food .. you Pākehā went for the money ...

[oldrider]

The government bought themselves (and us damn it) a nest of trouble when they allowed Dotcom into the country and "then" granted him residency FFS!

IMHO total incompetence and stupidity but judge for your selves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom just for starters, there's more! :crazy:

Here's a bit of balance for Kim Dot Com and that wanker Campbell FWIW: http://www.3news.co.nz/Kim-Dotcoms-first-TV-interview-Im-no-piracy-king/tabid/817/articleID/244830/Default.aspx

[SPman]

Three weeks ago we learned that the NSA are secretly funding Britain's GCHQ by over £30 million a year (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden). This naturally led to the question: are they also funding "our" GCSB? Today, Russel Norman asked that question in Parliament. The Prime Minister refused to answer, saying that it was "not in the national interest" for him to do so.

Key's refusal is as good as an admission. If our spies weren't being funded by (and therefore working for) a foreign power, he would simply say so. By refusing to answer, he's made it clear that "our" spies aren't. They're America's spies, hosted by us, but paid for and answering to the US.

Ahhhh but Johnkey is a good fucker - he sure got the edge on that Campbell commie...then later even walked out and refused to answer that pink journalist's question about ".. you are taking broad powers which allow you to invade privacy at a wholesale level and you are saying that all those people (lawyers - so they're all cunts) are wrong"..

Wadda those cunts know anyway...he's our rich prime minister who smiles and waves....

Yeah...he sure is a good cunt that John key, eh......!

[oldrider]

Ahhhh but Johnkey is a good fucker - he sure got the edge on that Campbell commie...then later even walked out and refused to answer that pink journalist's question about ".. you are taking broad powers which allow you to invade privacy at a wholesale level and you are saying that all those people (lawyers - so they're all cunts) are wrong"..

Wadda those cunts know anyway...he's our rich prime minister who smiles and waves....

Yeah...he sure is a good cunt that John key, eh......!

I thought you had opted Kevin Rudd for your prime minister SPman don't tell us that you are getting a bob each way and voting for John Key as well? :eek:

We (NZ) have government by Campbell live now sort of light years ahead of Australia these days, time to come home perhaps! :mellow:

[Banditbandit]

The government bought themselves (and us damn it) a nest of trouble when they allowed Dotcom into the country and "then" granted him residency FFS!

IMHO total incompetence and stupidity but judge for your selves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom just for starters, there's more! :crazy:

Here's a bit of balance for Kim Dot Com and that wanker Campbell FWIW: http://www.3news.co.nz/Kim-Dotcoms-first-TV-interview-Im-no-piracy-king/tabid/817/articleID/244830/Default.aspx



Yes .. maybe .. But I think we should refuse to hand him over to 'Merika ... Now he's here we should take care of him ... and I mean if he has been guilty of breaching copyright (which I am not convinced of) then he has done it here and should be charged and tried here under our laws ... not handed over to the arrogant country that wants to be the world policeman ..

And anyway - how many squeeky clean millionaires do you know ???

[Drew]

And anyway - how many squeeky clean millionaires do you know ???My uncle and Aunt are likely in the tax bracket of "millionair", I have no reason to think they're not squeeky clean. But it's not the same bracket as Dot Com.

[Robert Taylor]

Bwhahahaha ... last of the born-to-rule aristocrats - Off With Their Heads ..

Maybe, but they did a helluva lot better job than the freezing worker that immediately followed

[oldrider]

Yes .. maybe .. But I think we should refuse to hand him over to 'Merika ... Now he's here we should take care of him ... and I mean if he has been guilty of breaching copyright (which I am not convinced of) then he has done it here and should be charged and tried here under our laws ... not handed over to the arrogant country that wants to be the world policeman ..

Not quite sure about this (handing him over) on the one hand did they let him in with this in mind or did they just get blinded by his dollar benefits they might receive!

Key's explanation of the tidying up of section 8 and 14 is quite plausible to me, I noticed that Campbell was well prepared with evidence of one section that suited his argument but didn't have the other ready to show us maybe he thought we are too stupid and needed "his" guidance again!

The law exists and was put in place by Labour and it needs clarifying to make it work properly from what I have read I am happy with that explanation, Labour have much to hide and this is just but one of their fuckups that are coming home to bight them, me thinks they protest too much!

[Quote] And anyway - how many squeeky clean millionaires do you know ??? [Quote]

Well I do know a couple or so, one is a close cousin and he was always "very squeaky clean" as a kid maybe there might be some out there after all.

[SPman]

The law exists and was put in place by Labour and it needs clarifying to make it work properly from what I have read I am happy with that explanation, Labour have much to hide and this is just but one of their fuckups that are coming home to bight them, me thinks they protest too much!
. Bollocks - the law was quite clear and explicit - no spying on NZ citizens - but that didn't stop the GCSB from going right ahead. If you are happy with the "explanations" coming from the purveyours of this ill written odious piece of legislation (it is both highly invasive and badly written - I've read it), then so be it, but most people who have seen the legislation and understand the longer term implications are not - and if you think this law is OK - they've got yet another piece of invasive, controlling crap coming down the chutes at speed that should effectively destroy the ISP's, trust, and any illusions of privacy left after this piece of treasonous legislation, written by and for the NSA! John Key is a psychopath - part of their modus operandi is to appear charming to the outside world, but, like most people, look at what he does, not what he says. If you like to bow meekly down to authoritarian bully boys, then OK, but a lot of us won't!

[carbonhed]

Chris Finlayson dismantling the bullshit on the subject.

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[Banditbandit]

Maybe, but they did a helluva lot better job than the freezing worker that immediately followed


I'm not sure Big Norm was ever a freezing worker ... (he was certaily qualified as a stationary engine driver ) - before entering Parliament he was the mayor of Kaiapoi - the youngest mayor in the country at the time - at age 30 ... He was in Parliament from 1957 to 1974, when he died ...

Hardly think he was a freezing worker ..

And I would also disagree that Holyoake and Marshall were better PMs ...

[SPman]

Chris Finlayson dismantling the bullshit on the subject.

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Chris Finlayson - a typical example of the self indulgent, rude and arrogant miscreants who are under the illusion that they are born to rule and superior to the rest of us.


“The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'survive.' The honest men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those who don’t like to make waves—or enemies. Those for whom freedom, honour, truth, and principles are only literature. Those who live small, mate small, die small. It’s the reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you’ll keep it under control. If you don’t make any noise, the bogeyman won’t find you. But it’s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?! From what? Life is always on the edge of death; narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues, and a little candle burns itself out just like a flaming torch does. I choose my own way to burn.”
― Sophie Scholl

[puddytat]

The bill may have passed , but it aint over yet.......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/21/the-gcsb-bill-has-passed-if-you-refuse-to-accept-that-heres-what-i-think-we-should-do-next/


Come November , & before they ban fireworks:shifty:

Great quote there SP....

GCSB...the only govt dept that listens to you.

[oldrider]

Chris Finlayson - a typical example of the self indulgent, rude and arrogant miscreants who are under the illusion that they are born to rule and superior to the rest of us.

Finlayson's address at least dealt with and delivered facts and you reply with insults and innuendo's, this is typical of most of the opposition to this legislative change!

With respect I have always rated your contributions at a much higher than this.

I don't support the National party as a rule but they are way out in front of the opposition on integrity on this issue. IMHO.

[puddytat]

Rrrrright....your sounding like John. So the Human Rights Commision & Law society are over reacting ?
I'll believe them before I believe Key,Dunne et al

[Banditbandit]

I don't support the National party as a rule but they are way out in front of the opposition on integrity on this issue. IMHO.


Uuuuumm .. eeerrrr .. under the Nats' current watch a journlists e-mails, her movements around Parliament and her phone rercords have been handed over to the Henry Enquiry ...

An MP (Dunne) had his e-mails checked and handed over ...

There is some dispute about what DonKey's staff knew about al this and when they knew it - and how much they colluded

This does seem to impinge on their privacy .. and freedom of the media ..

All this occured under a National watch - and yes, it appears to be against the law ... however the goalposts have now moved and what was once illegal may well now be legal .. but will that stop illegal activity ? illegal is now legal .. so that's all right ..

But if they do not stick within the law now will they stick within the new law ?? Doubtful ...

[oldrider]

I guess we shall see what we shall see ... and if proved otherwise I guess we will give some other dishonest bunch of honesty pretenders an opportunity to deceive us!

[Banditbandit]

Let's see .. if we post attack, pressure cooker, bomb and vehicle with assassination of MPs .. I wonder how long it wil take for them to turn up?

I'll give them 36 hours ...

[SPman]

Finlayson's address at least dealt with and delivered facts and you reply with insults and innuendo's, this is typical of most of the opposition to this legislative change!

With respect I have always rated your contributions at a much higher than this.

I don't support the National party as a rule but they are way out in front of the opposition on integrity on this issue. IMHO.

I don't agree that Finlaysons address delivered facts. In fact, the governments comments and explainations have been very far from any cohesive resemblance of the facts. Innuendo, false promises, obfuscation and downright lies, all delivered with a "you poor fools don't know and couldn't handle the truth and we know better than all of you - even the constitutional lawyers!", facetiousness and bluster!

There may well be a need for some legislative change, but not one that legalises and expands upon what is an impinging on basic freedoms and privacies with bully boy tactics for a third party.

(A visit by the Director of the NSA, a couple of months ago was surely not coincidental - they were probably getting instructions delivered to them in no uncertain terms!)

The other mob - I have my doubts about any of their motives as well - they have been cut from much the same cloth as this bunch for the last 30 yrs - there needs to be a major shakeup before I'd trust any of them.

[Oscar]

I find it amusing that Finlayson's address was greeted with accusations from the left that his was "dealing in personalties", when for months Russell Norman has been calling Key "Muldoonist".

[oldrider]

First (SPman) let me apologise for posting a "judgemental" comment re your views, I respect your right to and your expressed opinions.

You said you have actually read both section 8 and section 14 of the GCSB legislation, would you be able to post them both in their original form and their revised form?

I would like to see the "actual" difference between the two.

I thought Campbell live was going to do that but as usual just the biased bits that suited his show were shown.

I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place with the quality of our politicians, personally I don't rate very many of them at all.