David Shearer quits

[carbonhed]

Comedy hour is over and mumblefuck is done. Who's next?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9074568/David-Shearer-quits-as-Labour-leader

[mashman]

Meh..........

[carbonhed]

Oh fuck! Apparently his surname was Shearer... sorry about that. Shearer.

[Swoop]

The liarbour party will probably go up in the polls now. He can't ever be described as a "leader" since he was no such person.

The interesting part will be who takes over the helm of the Mary Celeste.

[Banditbandit]

Oh fuck! Apparently his surname was Shearer... sorry about that. Shearer.

Who cares - he was a waste of space liberal and he is gone ..

[unstuck]

Now all we need is the rest of the muppet show to follow him. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.:not:

[awa355]

The liarbour party will probably go up in the polls now. He can't ever be described as a "leader" since he was no such person.

The interesting part will be who takes over the helm of the Mary Celeste.


Christ, I hope its not that dumb tart Annette King:brick:

She complained years ago, that all the male politicians only assessed the women MP's on their sex appeal.

This, in a party led by Helen Clarke, FFS!! :killingme

[Swoop]

Christ, I hope its not that dumb tart Annette King:brick:
Knowing the stupid and power-crazy individuals among that lot, it will be entertaining. Almost as entertaining as seeing which company John Key goes and works for when he leaves politics...

[Ulsterkiwi]

Met Cunliffe very briefly when he was minister for health. Prize prick. He is the likely leader, has the ruthless streak poor old Shearer lacked.
Its a pity, but when someone says "Labour party" all I can envisage is something between the keystone cops, the muppet show and the teletubbies. Democracy works best when there is a viable alternative that can provide solutions and call out government on its BS. All we have at the minute is cheap shot grandstanding.........ah well......

[HenryDorsetCase]

the interesting thing is the way that the useless pricks pick their leader: votes are 40% caucus, 40% party and 20% affiliates, i.e. unions.

The thing is that Helen Clarke ruled them with a rod of iron, then left, creating a vacuum. there was no Plan B. She had a Plan B, Cullen had enough and there was no succession planning.

Same here.

It depends which faction gains ascendancy. Even though Grant Robertson is depiddy leader I doubt he can muster the numbers. Plus he would be anathema to wider NZuld. (except for the SMOKEU party, what with him being teh gayzzor and all). Annette KIng? maybe.

my pick is cuntlips. then a purge. watch the smug Nazional bullyboys coast into win the next election by default, the only actual opposition is Rusty Russ Normal and my favourite pollie of all, Gimme a W Gimme an I Gimme, ah fuck it just gimme the baubles the one the only Wunstun petersii.

Keep the red flag flying comrades.

[awa355]

Honi's lot are looking even more promising, And this from a honky:lol:

What a line up for next year, A pack of wolves in one corner, and a bunch of headless chooks in the other,

[Maha]

They should advertise the vacancy on TM, I would apply, can't be that hard to deny and disagree with everything :baby:

[Oblivion]

They should advertise the vacancy on TM, I would apply, can't be that hard to deny and disagree with everything :baby:

Akzle for Labour Leader 2013.

[oldrider]

Knowing the stupid and power-crazy individuals among that lot, it will be entertaining. Almost as entertaining as seeing which company John Key goes and works for when he leaves politics...

John Key will not be going anywhere until he is guaranteed a Knighthood that is his main goal and driving ambition ... it was his first significant move when elected!

What else is there for the man who has everything else ... arise Sir Jonathan Key ... mission accomplished ... Sir John! Forever! :first: Yeah right.

[Maha]

Akzle for Labour Leader 2013.

Agree, he lives in fictitious world so he has head a start on most.

[badlieutenant]

wish banks would quit. What a right fuck knuckle he is.

[Road kill]

Honi's lot are looking even more promising, And this from a honky:lol:

What a line up for next year, A pack of wolves in one corner, and a bunch of headless chooks in the other,

Makes you weep don't it.

We're fucked for at lest the next 6 years or until the revolution.
None of the other parties have shit an Key will run riot.
:weep:

[Oakie]

Andrew Little. Watch the Union movement push him.

[Naki Rat]

Andrew Little. Watch the Union movement push him.He ran against Jonathon Young (had to Google his name) for New Plymouth last election. Little certainly has aspirations for bigger things.

[Naki Rat]

wish banks would quit. What a right fuck knuckle he is.Him or Dunne. Thought we had seen Dunne off until DonKey bought him for his GCSB vote :angry:

[ellipsis]

...which one was David Shearer...

[ducatilover]

This will greatly change how the Labour party acts and the world will be much better for this event.




:bleh:

[scumdog]

Agree, he lives in fictitious world so he has head a start on most.

I second that!:lol:

[JimO]

wish banks would quit. What a right fuck knuckle he is.
doesnt he ride a harley?? shane jones would be a good leader of the opposition

[HenryDorsetCase]

doesnt he ride a harley??

news flash: people who ride motorcycles can be fucktards

[JimO]

news flash: people who ride motorcycles can be fucktards
obviously...........did he wave tho

[oldrider]

This will greatly change how the Labour party acts and the world will be much better for this event. :bleh

The best thing that Liabour could do for the country is shut up shop altogether and piss off into oblivion! :yes: Oh they have you say! :wings:

[Ulsterkiwi]

obviously...........did he wave tho

probably just a cursory nod........

[300weatherby]

the interesting thing is the way that the useless pricks pick their leader: votes are 40% caucus, 40% party and 20% affiliates, i.e. unions.

The thing is that Helen Clarke ruled them with a rod of iron, then left, creating a vacuum. there was no Plan B. She had a Plan B, Cullen had enough and there was no succession planning.

Same here.

It depends which faction gains ascendancy. Even though Grant Robertson is depiddy leader I doubt he can muster the numbers. Plus he would be anathema to wider NZuld. (except for the SMOKEU party, what with him being teh gayzzor and all). Annette KIng? maybe.

my pick is cuntlips. then a purge. watch the smug Nazional bullyboys coast into win the next election by default, the only actual opposition is Rusty Russ Normal and my favourite pollie of all, Gimme a W Gimme an I Gimme, ah fuck it just gimme the baubles the one the only Wunstun petersii.

Keep the red flag flying comrades.

Trouble is, we need Labour to be strong and provide a credible alternate option to National, maybe this situation will finally give them a way forward, we need to stop National (The John Key party, actually) continuing in it's insular arrogance, riding roughshod over Joe Kiwi, almost on an unparallelled level. Have been a National supporter my entire life, have been turning over the last couple of years, now the bill passed last night. ?..... Had enough.

So damn unfortunate that National can literally do nothing, and they could still get back next election without breaking a sweat.

Labour are a bunch of fuckwit morons
The Greens live with their heads up their arses
The Maori mob are too busy filling their pockets at the trough
United have no real influence
Winnie is just in it for the piss take and doesn't have the numbers to change much (wish he did)

We actually have no one to vote for, sigh........

[ducatilover]

The best thing that Liabour could do for the country is shut up shop altogether and piss off into oblivion! :yes: Oh they have you say! :wings:

The best thing any politician can do is swallow a dick and choke.

[Jantar]

Trouble is, we need Labour to be strong and provide a credible alternate option to National, .........

Too true. Unfortunately this hasn't happened since the days of Walter Nash. Sure there are times that Liarbour has been strong (Helen Clark years), there are times that Labour has been credible (David Lange), and there are times that Liarbour has been an alterative to national (Norm Kirk). Sometimes Liarbour has even managed to string two of these traits together at once, but all three together is something we haven't seen since 1957.

[The Reibz]

FUCK. THIS. CUNT.

Winston. The only cunt in government with a set of stones

[AllanB]

Probably a very nice guy, just in the wrong job.

Reckon that ex trade union guy will have a crack ............ fuck that, he'd ruin NZ.

[Oakie]

FUCK. THIS. CUNT.

Winston. The only cunt in government with a set of stones

Shame they're in his head though.

I will admit that Winston is a great speaker. Trouble is that there's no substance behind what he talks about.

[mashman]

Key is living up to the job description.

pol·i·ti·cian
/ˌpäləˈtiSHən/
Noun

A person who is professionally involved in politics.
A person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement.

I guess that's why so many like him... he's like the son they never had.

[Oblivion]

The best thing that Liabour could do for the country is shut up shop altogether and piss off into oblivion! :yes: Oh they have you say! :wings:

Nty, I don't want him.

[Brian d marge]

the interesting thing is the way that the useless pricks pick their leader: votes are 40% caucus, 40% party and 20% affiliates, i.e. unions.

The thing is that Helen Clarke ruled them with a rod of iron, then left, creating a vacuum. there was no Plan B. She had a Plan B, Cullen had enough and there was no succession planning.

Same here.

It depends which faction gains ascendancy. Even though Grant Robertson is depiddy leader I doubt he can muster the numbers. Plus he would be anathema to wider NZuld. (except for the SMOKEU party, what with him being teh gayzzor and all). Annette KIng? maybe.

my pick is cuntlips. then a purge. watch the smug Nazional bullyboys coast into win the next election by default, the only actual opposition is Rusty Russ Normal and my favourite pollie of all, Gimme a W Gimme an I Gimme, ah fuck it just gimme the baubles the one the only Wunstun petersii.

Keep the red flag flying comrades.

yup , I concur

but you COULD ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, vote for ..........






ME!

I would be great at the Job , ... Just think of what would happen ..

beer , drugs , Chinese investors ( whores) all heavily subsidized , or free on the NHS

free road tax for vehicles with less than 4 wheel , taxes removed on ( any thing that takes my fancy )

Road to have more curves in them , ie no road can be longer than the time it takes a ZX12 to top out

lesbians , fat butch dykes will be asked nicely to go to Australia , and Alison mao ? and her mates will be encouraged to return , ( same job , but lots of money if she reads the news is a wet see through camisole )

Vote for me ....go on gizza a job go on lad !

Stephen

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[mansell]

Personally I don't care who they replace him with, I'd vote for an earthworm if it got rid of the arrogant fuckwits leading our country now. This shit seems to happen in NZ politics too often, second term and we no longer have a democracy just a pack of shitheads passing their own agendas without listening to the public.

[JimO]

Personally I don't care who they replace him with, I'd vote for an earthworm if it got rid of the arrogant fuckwits leading our country now. This shit seems to happen in NZ politics too often, second term and we no longer have a democracy just a pack of shitheads passing their own agendas without listening to the public.
really?? ever watched what goes on in other countries?

[Swoop]

... Winston is a great speaker. Trouble is that there's no substance behind what he talks about.
I wouldn't be too sure.
After The Winebox enquiry there were a LOT of changes in the tax system because of what he started.

[scott411]

I wouldn't be too sure.
After The Winebox enquiry there were a LOT of changes in the tax system because of what he started.

that was a long time ago, don't you remember his last stint in power, Helen gave him the foreign ministers job to get him out of the country as much as possible, he lied though his teeth about Owen Glenn giving him money,

Still, I can see him partnering up with National after the next election, as i suspect he will hold the balance of power, and wont want to play 3rd chair behind labour and the greens on the left,

[Crasherfromwayback]

The best thing any politician can do is swallow a dick and choke.

They'd had far too much practice to do that.

[5150]

The best thing any politician can do is swallow a dick and choke.

Is that why they passed the gay marrige laws? :msn-wink:

[MisterD]

that was a long time ago,

Have you seen him in parliament recently? He sounds half-cut when he asks a question, sits down and falls asleep.

[Swoop]

don't you remember his last stint in power, Helen gave him the foreign ministers job
Yes, I remember the "no baubles for me please" Winnie of that era.
I bet he took the job to get away from Heilen as much as possible.;)

[scott411]

Have you seen him in parliament recently? He sounds half-cut when he asks a question, sits down and falls asleep.

i was watching that yesterday actually, its never been denied that he likes a tipple before evening sittings, wonder how many other jobs you can turn up pissed to

[oldrider]

Personally I don't care who they replace him with, I'd vote for an earthworm if it got rid of the arrogant fuckwits leading our country now. This shit seems to happen in NZ politics too often, second term and we no longer have a democracy just a pack of shitheads passing their own agendas without listening to the public.

MMP makes politicians accountable to "each other" (rather than to the electorate) as they build their little alliances to form their power groups!

The election is a lolly scramble that allows them to identify and form these power groups in order to form a workable government alliance.

We never actually vote the government "in" we (the electorate) only get to vote them "out" the end result of the election is an unknown lucky dip!

Labour (just a meaningless label) and Helen Clark cemented this process into being and all the current politicians are determined to keep it.

All the have to do is try to get a leader with the most public appeal and they can get the most dummies voting for them regardless of political worth and they are in!

[Banditbandit]

This will greatly change how the Labour party acts and the world will be much better for this event.




:bleh:

Yeah right ... a fucking bomb might hange them .. but short of that - they are fucked ..


FUCK. THIS. CUNT.

Winston. The only cunt in government with a set of stones

:killingme: Yeah ... I hope they are tied around his ankles then - so we can push him off the wharf ...


Probably a very nice guy, just in the wrong job.

Reckon that ex trade union guy will have a crack ............ fuck that, he'd ruin NZ.

What makes you say that ?? This current bunch have sold us all to foreign capitalists ... subsidized Tiwai point jobs to the tune of $37,500 each - money straight into Rio Tinto pockets ... it would be cheaper to close Tiwai Point and pay the people the dole ...


Huntly coal mines are closing because it is cheaper to ship Indonesian coal to the Huntly Power station than it is to get it from the Huntly mine ... fuck me .. our money goes straight into Indonesian pockets while our people are put on the dole ...

They have sold a large number of new pokie machines to SkyCity in exchange for a convention centre .. pull al the money out of the pockets of peopel and straight into the capitasts pockets ... Key sold out ethics for a convention centre ...


This Government allowed Chinese company to buy a heap of dairy famrs - on the basis that it creates jobs in New ZEaland .. Bullshit - those jobs already existed - so now any profits go straight to China, where as before they stayed here and were spent by New ZEaland farm owners. And the milk is being shipped straigth to China, so there are no jobs in processing here ..

This Government sold Mighty River Power (anyone want to hazard a guess what the real New Zealand shareholder percentage is?) ... and the share price is still below what people paid for those shares . adn the Company is now focussed on maximizing profits (putting up electricity prices) so the shareholders make money - ratrher than on keeping cheap power for New Zealanders and conserving energy ... an that profit now goes to overseas investors .. instead of staying in GodZone ... and the next power compnay on the block wil be ... ???

Don't even go near Governmetn debt - it has increased phenominally under Key's watch ..

And this bunch are going to spy on us all ... Gee .. what a great job this Government has done ..

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)

[MisterD]

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7788500/NZ-growth-remains-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...

[carbonhed]

stuff.co.nz has a poll on the next Labour leader... eight candidates and the leading horse at the moment on 24.2%.... drum roll please... "none of the above". Classic.

[scott411]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7788500/NZ-growth-remains-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...

of course the National Haters dont want to hear that, Labour would have spent more and borrowed more, like they did in australia, and even with their massive mining boom which is slowing their outlook is worse than ours,

[Banditbandit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7788500/NZ-growth-remains-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...



Let me see .. go here, scroll down to page 5 .. http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/longterm/fiscalposition/2013/pdfs/ltfs-13-bg-scnze.pdf


This graph shows the growth of real GDP per capita since 1955 to today - this is a gross measure of our economics - it shows that we contnue to increase our real GDP per capita - almost irrespective of the Government ...

There are two notable dips in this graph ... one when Bolger was PM and the other when DonKey is PM ....

Go here ... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1305/S00392/national-to-increase-nzs-debt-by-61-billion-over-5-years.htm

DonKey's Government is increasing debt by $61million ... DonKey's Govenment is putting us deeper in the red ...

Plenty of indicators tell me that at one level it doesn't really matter who the Governmetn is . others tell me that this Government is actually making things worse ...

I have never bought the idea that the right is fiscally responsible and the left is fiscally irresponsible - many times it is actually the other way around ... the right wing syphon money off to the capitalist overlords ...(Mighty River Power, subsidies for Comalco, sale of land to Chinese interests) while the left make the money circulate so everyone benefits ...

[Banditbandit]

of course the National Haters dont want to hear that,

No - national htrs like me are prepared to listen - but not to propoganda bullshit


Labour would have spent more and borrowed more, like they did in australia,

Woud they ?? That's a propoganda position - and DonKey's government is increasing their debt by $61 million ... looks to me like National lovers don't want to here that their favourite son is making massive borowings ...

Are National lovers preparded to actually read things like treasury reports and not simply perpetrate the propoganda ???

[Paul in NZ]

Oh for goodness sake...

I think Labour have really dropped the ball here....

The current leader was convinced to go by the first openly lesbian MP (Maryan Street) and the openly gay Grant Robertson could replace him...

While the political classes have done a lot to rectifiy injustices and inequalities regarding gay rights - I'm not 100% sure the voting public (all 3 of them) are quite ready for this... I suspect they will just end up as a single issue (gay rights) group while the far left split off to reform 'New' Labour...

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

[Swoop]

Labour would have spent more and borrowed more

The Lunatic Fringe party had the answer... Just print more money!
Thank fuck the greens are not in power.

[mashman]

Oh for goodness sake...

I think Labour have really dropped the ball here....

The current leader was convinced to go by the first openly lesbian MP (Maryan Street) and the openly gay Grant Robertson could replace him...

While the political classes have done a lot to rectifiy injustices and inequalities regarding gay rights - I'm not 100% sure the voting public (all 3 of them) are quite ready for this... I suspect they will just end up as a single issue (gay rights) group while the far left split off to reform 'New' Labour...

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

They're all just people. Nothing special about them. Some love men, some love women, but they are only people. Putting them up on a platform and holding them as higher mortals only breeds more of them. A party that isn't economy first is sorely needed.

[unstuck]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liahqrbJQU1qhe78wo1_500.jpg

[scott411]

No - national htrs like me are prepared to listen - but not to propoganda bullshit



Woud they ?? That's a propoganda position - and DonKey's government is increasing their debt by $61 million ... looks to me like National lovers don't want to here that their favourite son is making massive borowings ...

Are National lovers preparded to actually read things like treasury reports and not simply perpetrate the propoganda ???

The Labour policy was to borrow more, by keeping on spending more than national, our public debt to GDP figures are still good when compared to most of the world,

I don't agree with a lot of National Policies, and would have like a tighter budget for sure, and am not a big fan of the asset sales but i can see that it at least keeps some of the kiwisaver funds here, rather than going off shore to find good stable assets to invest in, it makes a change from property being the only option,

both sides have been guilty of not listening to the public, GCSB bill adds to the smacking bill, the less members of parliment , the longer sentences etc,

[Banditbandit]

The Labour policy was to borrow more, by keeping on spending more than national,


Maybe - show me the evidence. Until I see the evidence this to me still looks like rightwing propoganda ... A good piece of evidence would be a link to the Labour Policy saying just that.



our public debt to GDP figures are still good when compared to most of the world,

I don't agree with a lot of National Policies, and would have like a tighter budget for sure, and am not a big fan of the asset sales but i can see that it at least keeps some of the kiwisaver funds here, rather than going off shore to find good stable assets to invest in, it makes a change from property being the only option,

both sides have been guilty of not listening to the public, GCSB bill adds to the smacking bill, the less members of parliment , the longer sentences etc,

Shit - I'm no Labour supporter either .. I haven't voted Labout since 1984 .. but then I'm so far left I will never vote National ...

[Oscar]

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

Labour hasn't been that party for a long time.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to union membership discussing voting options.
If Andrew Little stands, I can see him getting Union backing.

[scott411]

Maybe - show me the evidence. Until I see the evidence this to me still looks like rightwing propoganda ... A good piece of evidence would be a link to the Labour Policy saying just that.




Shit - I'm no Labour supporter either .. I haven't voted Labout since 1984 .. but then I'm so far left I will never vote National ...

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labour.org.nz/files/2011%20Labour%20Party%20Manifesto.pdf


Pay off net debt faster than National from 2017/18 without selling our assets

so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

[Oscar]

They're all just people. Nothing special about them. Some love men, some love women, but they are only people. Putting them up on a platform and holding them as higher mortals only breeds more of them. A party that isn't economy first is sorely needed.

But you don't vote.
Why do you care?

[mashman]

But you don't vote.
Why do you care?

I live here and my kids have to grow up here. The rules "they" come up with affect the life of my family. Following on from that, too many people are affected negatively by small groups of people making selfish decisions. I care about their welfare.

[Oscar]

I live here and my kids have to grow up here. The rules "they" come up with affect the life of my family. Following on from that, too many people are affected negatively by groups of people making decisions I don't agree with. I care about their welfare.


I fixed that for you.
If you don't participate in democracy, don't whine.

[Paul in NZ]

Labour hasn't been that party for a long time.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to union membership discussing voting options.
If Andrew Little stands, I can see him getting Union backing.

Totally agree... This could get messy...

[mashman]

I fixed that for you.
If you don't participate in democracy, don't whine.

No need for fixing, it stood in it's own right. Although your scope for what I meant was undoubtedly as shallow as yourself.
I have decided not to vote and therefore I don't participate in democracy? I gotz a bridge in the US for sale if you're interested.

[Banditbandit]

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labour.org.nz/files/2011%20Labour%20Party%20Manifesto.pdf



so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

Thanks for the link.

Yes, I see where you are coming from - but I don't read it that it's Labour policy increase debt. It says payng off debt faster from 2017 ... so they would be paying it back at the current rate now ...

Now I do believe there is a good chance they would increase debt - Governments are Governments after all ... and National are about to increase it significantly ...

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

[SPman]

The Lunatic Fringe party had the answer... Just print more money!

You mean - like the USA has been doing the last 3 yrs!

The only chance Labour has is Cunliffe/Parker and a clean out of all the old neo-cons. Cunliffe - who the right and the media are doing their best to disparage is the only one in Labour who could take the fight to the Nats! He is extremely clever/hard working and has the right amount of mongrel in him to actually make a difference! Which is why all the others are doing their damnest to put him down.....he'd show them up for the hierachical tossers they are! Cunliffe would be the only leader that might possibly entice me to vote Labour.

[MisterD]

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

I think their claims to be responsible stack up quite well, they've moved the tax balance slightly away from productivity towards consumption, cut government spending whilst leaving it more or less alone in education and health and seem to be getting better value for the $$ they're spending.

Government debt has increased and I'm far from happy about it, I'd have taken the axe to Working for Other Peoples Families and sold 100% of the Meridian et al but the Nats decided that they had to go slowly and leave stuff like that alone rather than risk the electorate booting them out...and I guess at this point, I have to suck up the fact that they were probably right.

[mashman]

Now I do believe there is a good chance they would increase debt - Governments are Governments after all ... and National are about to increase it significantly ...

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

Aye... it was one of the election promises/beat ups I seem to remember. Labour are going to increase borrowing by $20 billion to lay the foundations for weathering the GFC. Anyhoo, National decided that that just wasn't right and they've, at least, doubled that borrowing. For me it seemed as though the Reds were trying to mitigate the issue (would that have worked? dunno) where the Blues were borrowing to keep the status quo in the hope that the economy would just come right.

Moving to a more consumption based tax as MisterD seems to approve of seems to neglect the fact that that will leave more people with less money (and less people with more money) to spend and therefore less of a tax take (let alone a "predictable" tax take) will be realised (no I won't provide the info, go find it yourself if you have that much of a bug up your arse)... probably why we've borrowed so much more. Moving the deckchairs just doesn't work. Trying to stimulate growth doesn't work when you sit around doing fuck all, even Ocean would agree with that, and borrowing to ride out a storm? really? fiscal prudence? S'ok though, the next generation's got this shit.

Still, they're all fucked in the head with no original ideas, just more deckchair moving.

[Swoop]

You mean - like the USA has been doing the last 3 yrs!
Yes, because it worked sooo well for them. The greenies obviously don't have televisions to watch the news on. Surely they must have heard a rumour of global financial crisis... somewhere?

Have to agree. Cunliffe is the better choice, but potentially too left leaning to make all the party apparatchiks happy. Parker would be a good deputy leader as well.

[Oscar]

No need for fixing, it stood in it's own right. Although your scope for what I meant was undoubtedly as shallow as yourself.
I have decided not to vote and therefore I don't participate in democracy? I gotz a bridge in the US for sale if you're interested.

How would I pay for your bridge, as you don't believe in money?
Your participation in democracy seems to be limited to you whining about people in politics whilst looking down on the common man.
If you can't be bothered voting, but complain about the outcome, that is shallow...

[avgas]

Now all we need is the rest of the muppet show to follow him. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.:not:
Only honest person with good intentions to walk into parliament.

[Oscar]

Only honest person with good intentions to walk into parliament.

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.

[Brian d marge]

Snip
From the treasury’s statement of intent AGAIN:

The immediate priority is the proposed Initial Public Offering (IPO) of up to 49% of Mighty River Power in
2012/13. Thereafter, our main priority is to apply the mixed ownership model to Genesis Power Ltd,
Meridian Energy Ltd and Solid Energy NZ Ltd.
Financial assets and liabilities
Rising finance costs limit the Government’s ability to pursue more worthwhile initiatives. In order to
minimise debt costs within an appropriate risk profile, NZDMO will continue to market New Zealand Crown
debt instruments to investors

AT what point will you realize , blue green, red ...the real organ grinder IMF/ world bank ...... look at how many ( former and current trough eaters ) are from those venerable institutions ,,

As the World bank and Imf are "Heavily " influenced by the U s of an A ( over 20 % of the voting rights?? not sure on exact %)

Is it no wonder a lot of the "current " laws that have been passed are almost carbon copies , or very similar to American ones ( even the earlier benefit bashing one , one small difference Americans have to pay for their own drug tests! )


So ,,, doesnt matter Who , or what colour is/is to be chosen .....the one that SHOULD be in power is the one who tells the IMF to fk off ( AKA Iceland)

OR has NZ front and centre when making decisions . Unlike Donkey who .....yes well

Stephen
ok found the table , The USA has 16 % the next largest is around 4 % , so might has right

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx

[unstuck]

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.

Yes, I think you are right. Tis a shame, because these good ones seem to either not stay around long, or are forced out. I do not think there is anyway that a decent person can stay in parliament and not end up towing the line, as things stand now. I have no idea how we are to change things though, so until then I will not be voting for anybody.:eek5:

[Oscar]

Yes, I think you are right. Tis a shame, because these good ones seem to either not stay around long, or are forced out. I do not think there is anyway that a decent person can stay in parliament and not end up towing the line, as things stand now. I have no idea how we are to change things though, so until then I will not be voting for anybody.:eek5:

There are also decent people with the wrong politics.
I have a lot of respect for Metiria Turei (I used to have respect for Russell Norman, until he started calling people "Muldoonist" :facepalm:) Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia but can't really support their policies.

[mashman]

How would I pay for your bridge, as you don't believe in money?
Your participation in democracy seems to be limited to you whining about people in politics whilst looking down on the common man.
If you can't be bothered voting, but complain about the outcome, that is shallow...

True... but in the meantime I'll need campaign funds so that I can pay people to help rid the country of the bloody stuff. I'll PM details if you want the bridge.
:rofl: things aren't always what they seem and I can't for the life of me work out why you would think that I look down on the common man. In every other way, other than voting, I take part in this society, so you seem to have a pretty narrow benchmark in regards to defining what it take to participate in democracy.
It probably would be if I didn't have a reason to "complain", let alone an alternative that includes the democratic system. Or is it your way or no way?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Trouble is, we need Labour to be strong and provide a credible alternate option to National, maybe this situation will finally give them a way forward, we need to stop National (The John Key party, actually) continuing in it's insular arrogance, riding roughshod over Joe Kiwi, almost on an unparallelled level. Have been a National supporter my entire life, have been turning over the last couple of years, now the bill passed last night. ?..... Had enough.

Not saying I disagree with your sentiments, but when I was lucky enough to come to NZ the country had come to the end of its patience with the Clark led Labour government. The election was all about showing the incumbents they had become arrogant and were about to be given the heave ho. It was not a case of Key can do a better job, it was a case of getting rid of Clark et al almost at any cost. Such a negative approach to the democratic process is not that helpful. I have some issues with what the current government is doing, that said I do not see a viable alternative in waiting. The Labour party is like a bunch of vultures arguing and fussing over a stinking carcass, the Greens have me for five minutes, right up until they are asked how they are going to pay for things, the Maori party is trying to do what no Maori leader was ever able to do which is bring a united voice from Maoridom so a hopeless case, which leaves potato Peters (brown on the outside, white on the inside) and the idiot independents who like the money and have dodgy haircuts. And dont even get me started about Hone.

So yes, a strong opposition is needed, cant see it coming for a while yet. :-(

[Robert Taylor]

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labour.org.nz/files/2011%20Labour%20Party%20Manifesto.pdf



so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

I fully concur Scott. National is and really always has been my only choice, not ideal but the semi Marxists have to be kept from power. Act has self destructed and I like the policies of the Conservative party, but its unrealistic to expect them to gain much traction.

In all fairness David Shearer is clearly a very likeable and sincere person, as was ( and is ) one of his predecessors, Mike Moore. Davids failures, not a mongrel and too sincere to be a politician. I wish him well and its a shame there aren't more people like him.

[unstuck]

In all fairness David Shearer is clearly a very likeable and sincere person, as was ( and is ) one of his predecessors, Mike Moore. Davids failures, not a mongrel and too sincere to be a politician. I wish him well and its a shame there aren't more people like him.

Unfortunately not good qualities in a politician. :wacko:

[Brian d marge]

So who goes in ,

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

but from the anecdotal evidence i see ( there are LOTS of young people here in Japan trying to pay of their student loan because A; there aint any jobs in Amerika and B; if they DO get any money ,the state takes it away ( hows that health care !)


I dont want ( and kinda dont ) live in a country resembling the states ,

Question ? with 4 million people DO WE NEED to be part of the global economy

Stephen

[blue rider]

Yeah right ... a fucking bomb might hange them .. but short of that - they are fucked ..



:killingme: Yeah ... I hope they are tied around his ankles then - so we can push him off the wharf ...



What makes you say that ?? This current bunch have sold us all to foreign capitalists ... subsidized Tiwai point jobs to the tune of $37,500 each - money straight into Rio Tinto pockets ... it would be cheaper to close Tiwai Point and pay the people the dole ...


Huntly coal mines are closing because it is cheaper to ship Indonesian coal to the Huntly Power station than it is to get it from the Huntly mine ... fuck me .. our money goes straight into Indonesian pockets while our people are put on the dole ...

They have sold a large number of new pokie machines to SkyCity in exchange for a convention centre .. pull al the money out of the pockets of peopel and straight into the capitasts pockets ... Key sold out ethics for a convention centre ...


This Government allowed Chinese company to buy a heap of dairy famrs - on the basis that it creates jobs in New ZEaland .. Bullshit - those jobs already existed - so now any profits go straight to China, where as before they stayed here and were spent by New ZEaland farm owners. And the milk is being shipped straigth to China, so there are no jobs in processing here ..

This Government sold Mighty River Power (anyone want to hazard a guess what the real New Zealand shareholder percentage is?) ... and the share price is still below what people paid for those shares . adn the Company is now focussed on maximizing profits (putting up electricity prices) so the shareholders make money - ratrher than on keeping cheap power for New Zealanders and conserving energy ... an that profit now goes to overseas investors .. instead of staying in GodZone ... and the next power compnay on the block wil be ... ???

Don't even go near Governmetn debt - it has increased phenominally under Key's watch ..

And this bunch are going to spy on us all ... Gee .. what a great job this Government has done ..

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)


but but but

National is awesome and not labour, Key is handsome and cool and not hairly ugly Clarke....hurray hurray go National

fucked if ya do and fucked if ya don't.

[Robert Taylor]

So who goes in ,

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

but from the anecdotal evidence i see ( there are LOTS of young people here in Japan trying to pay of their student loan because A; there aint any jobs in Amerika and B; if they DO get any money ,the state takes it away ( hows that health care !)


I dont want ( and kinda dont ) live in a country resembling the states ,

Question ? with 4 million people DO WE NEED to be part of the global economy

Stephen

Fair points Stephen

[Ocean1]

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

Have you ever been to America Stephen? Lived there?

The two countries have very little in common politically, and there's very little to suggest that's likely to change any time soon.

In fact... Nice wee read, here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/blogs/voyages-in-america/9077310/Cheer-up-New-Zealand

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

[mashman]

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T5KUqxrhZ-o/TUcrZENpVnI/AAAAAAAAAsA/ZYaH3tglORs/s320/MR+MAGOO+READING+COLOR+CROP.jpg

[Ocean1]

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa


Hmmm. Cartoons.

Closer to your level of comprehension, but even there you're still clueless.

[mashman]

Hmmm. Cartoons.

Closer to your level of comprehension, but even there you're still clueless.

And your answer to Stephens "conspiracy" is

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png

That's some hardcore evidence you've got there for debunking his "theory".

[oldrider]

Labour are getting more traction and publicity with Shearer's suicidal departure than they deserve!

With a little bit of help from their media (King maker) mates it might work positively for them!

Negatively for the country but positively for the left coalition, looks like it could be ground hog day and National could be voted "out"! :blink: Traditional NZ voter behaviour!

NZ only votes governments "out" all the opposition has to do is to be standing on their feet and when the dust settles they could be "in". :crazy: FMD :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

To the (omnipotent watery desert)and those feeding in Bellamys ( remind me never to throw pearls to ham sandwich again ) ....

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/BV-ASc0qkrM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stephen

[blue rider]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yz8UrquOEG8/TSen9JJpumI/AAAAAAAABTo/TbASqpKIfVU/s1600/kabuki.jpg

bread and circus

[Brian d marge]

Have you ever been to America Stephen? Lived there?

The two countries have very little in common politically, and there's very little to suggest that's likely to change any time soon.

In fact... Nice wee read, here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/blogs/voyages-in-america/9077310/Cheer-up-New-Zealand

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

Yes that a nice opinion , not a drop of a fact anywhere ...

Yes I have lived there abiet only a short time and everyday I work with Americans ( Honda America) and they express similar feeling to the writer

My "Tin hat Theory " .hmmmm lets see ...Treasury’s statement of intent ,,, intent you do know what intent means ??

and the IMF web page showing the voting power per country with Amerika on 16 and NZ ,on 0.34 %

and wheelers old Job used to be???

and there is No influence from the world bank, IMF what so ever . Student loans, asset sales trickle down , QE are all NZ initiatives

You and people like you have ruined NZ , you should feel ashamed and more over be held to account or to ridicule.

well done .

Stephen

[Motu]

NZ only votes governments "out"

That's what I've done all my voting life - never vote a government in, always vote them out, whoever they are, they don't deserve to be there. I don't support any party, but am against whoever is in power.

[oldrider]

That's what I've done all my voting life - never vote a government in, always vote them out, whoever they are, they don't deserve to be there. I don't support any party, but am against whoever is in power.

If we peel back the Motu will we find a little shamrock hiding under there? :laugh:

[Motu]

Oh yes, most certainly.

[avgas]

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.
Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Which one did they seek?

I am sure Mao and Stalin had good intentions, but that is not why they went to government work. You don't see nobel prize winners lining up at the door.
If people want to fix a problem, they fix it. Just watched a documentary about Elon Musk. I doubt you will see him in congress.
If people want power, that is when they seek it. Without the hard work.

None of it is "thrust upon them".

[oldrider]

Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Which one did they seek?

I am sure Mao and Stalin had good intentions, but that is not why they went to government work. You don't see nobel prize winners lining up at the door.
If people want to fix a problem, they fix it. Just watched a documentary about Elon Musk. I doubt you will see him in congress.
If people want power, that is when they seek it. Without the hard work.

None of it is "thrust upon them".

True ..... most of them were/are looking for an easy rice-bowl to feed on .... people like John Key? .... "Sir" John would scratch the itch quite nicely! :shifty:

[Banditbandit]

I'm not totally convinced that "power corrupts" is right ... a better formulation is: Power attracts the corruptible ..

[Oscar]

Yes that a nice opinion , not a drop of a fact anywhere ...




That's pretty rich coming from you.
You're a funny guy.

[Oscar]

I'm not totally convinced that "power corrupts" is right ... a better formulation is: Power attracts the corruptible ..

Human nature.
You think you're right, I think I'm right.
These people aren't corrupt, they just think they're right and do what it takes to advance their cause.
I see no signs of high level corruption on either side of the political spectrum in this country.
Plenty of barrow-pushing sure (the hold that the Unions had on some Labour Govts, for example), interest group pressure (like Fonterra on this Govt.), yup - but no actual corruption.

[mashman]

If Labour had any fuckin brains they'd STFU and choose a new leader without the publicity behind it. If they want one for how they look then choose Ardern. If they want one with balls and presence, choose Cunliffe... or choose both, but going through the motions of who is perceived as being most popular with the associated media and political beat ups is politically stupid.

[Oscar]

The only one with the political nouce to give Key a go is Jones, but he's damaged goods (at this time, all over the interweb, lefty chicks are up in arms about the "porno deviant").

[SPman]

If Labour had any fuckin brains they'd STFU and choose a new leader without the publicity behind it. If they want one for how they look then choose Ardern. If they want one with balls and presence, choose Cunliffe... or choose both, but going through the motions of who is perceived as being most popular with the associated media and political beat ups is politically stupid.
Of course it is, but that sums up the current Labour hierachy, and why the memebership want more say in what's going on! Most of caucus are self-serving careerists who should have been put out to pasture years ago.

[Ocean1]

You and people like you have ruined NZ , you should feel ashamed and more over be held to account or to ridicule.

well done .

Stephen

Stephen, you know next to fuck all about me, about the most you can see is that I disagree with some of your bullshit, certainly nowhere near enough to be insisting that me and those like me have ruined NZ.

Which sorta fits the MO for the rest of your tiresome tirades, you seem to need to know fuck all about anything to attribute any negative news whatsoever to your pet bogymen.

Do us all a favour, you've run away from the shadows here, now stop looking over your shoulder and fuck off altogether.

[avgas]

but no actual corruption.
I didn't see many things I wish I had at the time. Doesn't mean to say they don't exist.
I really hope your right - but I don't hold my breath over it.

We once had a really big fuck off pig. He was big. He was angry. He was inbred.
Reminded me a lot about a politician.
Every day this scrawny white kid would walk up to the sty. Empty all the food he had into the trough and the big pig would wake up and stroll over the the trough.

I knew that he stayed there because he got fed every day. I knew he could knock down that fence if he wanted. I knew he could take me out if he wanted. He was a prick of a pig. We didn't even name him because the SOB was that angry. But every day he got what he wanted, and I didn't get killed.

After 2 years we shot that fucker and had the worst tasting pork ever for 2 years.

I still have to live with the Government. Every year this white male keeps his mouth shut, does his job, pays his taxes, doesn't complain. The Government gets what they want out of me, and I don't get fucked even more than I am. But it saddens me that I will never see an end to this pig. Too many people think this pig is a good thing. Too many think it talks to spiders and sniffs flowers.

I see this, without the hunters
http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/6/0/1/wild_boar_3.jpg

[skippa1]

I didn't see many things I wish I had at the time. Doesn't mean to say they don't exist.
I really hope your right - but I don't hold my breath over it.

We once had a really big fuck off pig. He was big. He was angry. He was inbred.
Reminded me a lot about a politician.
Every day this scrawny white kid would walk up to the sty. Empty all the food he had into the trough and the big pig would wake up and stroll over the the trough.

I knew that he stayed there because he got fed every day. I knew he could knock down that fence if he wanted. I knew he could take me out if he wanted. He was a prick of a pig. We didn't even name him because the SOB was that angry. But every day he got what he wanted, and I didn't get killed.

After 2 years we shot that fucker and had the worst tasting pork ever for 2 years.



I see this, without the hunters

That's one big hog

[Robert Taylor]

I didn't see many things I wish I had at the time. Doesn't mean to say they don't exist.
I really hope your right - but I don't hold my breath over it.

We once had a really big fuck off pig. He was big. He was angry. He was inbred.
Reminded me a lot about a politician.
Every day this scrawny white kid would walk up to the sty. Empty all the food he had into the trough and the big pig would wake up and stroll over the the trough.

I knew that he stayed there because he got fed every day. I knew he could knock down that fence if he wanted. I knew he could take me out if he wanted. He was a prick of a pig. We didn't even name him because the SOB was that angry. But every day he got what he wanted, and I didn't get killed.

After 2 years we shot that fucker and had the worst tasting pork ever for 2 years.

I still have to live with the Government. Every year this white male keeps his mouth shut, does his job, pays his taxes, doesn't complain. The Government gets what they want out of me, and I don't get fucked even more than I am. But it saddens me that I will never see an end to this pig. Too many people think this pig is a good thing. Too many think it talks to spiders and sniffs flowers.

I see this, without the hunters
http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/6/0/1/wild_boar_3.jpg

Well said, and of course your biggest sin is consistent with a good number of us, you are a white male...... A threatened species

[unstuck]

That's one big hog

OOps, I thought it was Parekura Horomia.:shifty:

[Brian d marge]

That's pretty rich coming from you.
You're a funny guy.
Eh???????
Fk me I even give the page number of the document ,,,let alone the web page
And this is from someone who when posted a - fact- half the people here thought the world had gone pear shaped

Nice try ,,,,

Come back when u are worthy

Stephen

[Oscar]

Eh???????
Fk me I even give the page number of the document ,,,let alone the web page
And this is from someone who when posted a - fact- half the people here thought the world had gone pear shaped

Nice try ,,,,

Come back when u are worthy

Stephen

Worthy?
Of what?

I hadn't realised I needed to pass some test to argue with a grammatically challenged tinfoil hat jockey.
Notwithstanding that half of what you post is gibberish, just before your burst of invective about "facts" you posted this:

but from the anecdotal evidence i see

Which, roughly translated means - "I can't find any evidence, so I'll make shit up."

Tell us again how the IMF or the World Bank runs NZ, but maybe in the light of your new found truthfulness, you could post one shred of evidence...

[Brian d marge]

Stephen, you know next to fuck all about me, about the most you can see is that I disagree with some of your bullshit, certainly nowhere near enough to be insisting that me and those like me have ruined NZ.

Which sorta fits the MO for the rest of your tiresome tirades, you seem to need to know fuck all about anything to attribute any negative news whatsoever to your pet bogymen.

Do us all a favour, you've run away from the shadows here, now stop looking over your shoulder and fuck off altogether.
You have done enough trust me

My point and opinion still stands

And do us all ?? A favour , you speak for the wider audience ,
You're right I don't know you , I never knew you had magical powers ....

When you , or if you ever get your head out of the sand and the tenor of the your posts change , or if you actually look into anything in any depth

I might give a sh1t

But the opinions you have constantly displayed are in line with that type of person, that has allowed new Zealand to become as it is

I have been very consistent in my message ,,,why ,,,, because its important ( how's that rego increase ? Do anything about it ,,,, no probably not ,,,,,)

Sorry but if you continue to display your usual wit and sharp reporte then you will be held to ridicule



Stephen

[mashman]

Of course it is, but that sums up the current Labour hierachy, and why the memebership want more say in what's going on! Most of caucus are self-serving careerists who should have been put out to pasture years ago.

I guess that's the way politics is these days... and given that govt's are voted out, I guess it's a game of blame and change the leader when an election isn't won. Unfortunately a model that seems to work around the globe.

[Brian d marge]

Worthy?
Of what?

I hadn't realised I needed to pass some test to argue with a grammatically challenged tinfoil hat jockey.
Notwithstanding that half of what you post is gibberish, just before your burst of invective about "facts" you posted this:


Which, roughly translated means - "I can't find any evidence, so I'll make shit up."

Tell us again how the IMF or the World Bank runs NZ, but maybe in the light of your new found truthfulness, you could post one shred of evidence...

Its written very clearly on their web site

Which I have posted on many occasions

I might let someone else find some of my post which contain links to , the treasury, the world bank , IMF u name it

Or would you prefer the video....? I'm assuming you can read due to your insistence and command of the syntax,,,I am right ??? Aren't I ??

Can you give me something to work with , I'm bored with teasing the tard but I'll be nice , once .

Have a look a the trans pacific partnership

Have a wee think then try and post a comment

Good luck , I know your outside ur comfort zone and no, there will be no one there to hold your hand

But you can do it ,,,,,I believe in u ,,,,try,,,,,

Stephen

I'm not using a PC , I posted what ,,, there is just a blank space ,,,, so I , don't actually know what you are referring to ,,,,

[Ocean1]

I have been very consistent in my message

You have. In spite of the fact that it's gibberish. We're sick of it, STFU.


how's that rego increase ? Do anything about it ,,,, no probably not ,,,,,)


But you know me so well, Stephen, you tell me what I did about it, and what particular political characteristics motivated it. Eh?


Sorry but if you continue to display your usual wit and sharp reporte then you will be held to ridicule

Not by you, son, you simply don't have the wherewithal.

[Brian d marge]

You have. In spite of the fact that it's gibberish. We're sick of it, STFU.



But you know me so well, Stephen, you tell me what I did about it, and what particular political characteristics motivated it. Eh?



Not by you, son, you simply don't have the wherewithal.
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound ,,,

It seems I already have

Would you like to join the fat kid ??? He's off trying find the teacher

Nice try ,,,

Stephen

[Ocean1]

Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound ,,,

It seems I already have

Would you like to join the fat kid ??? He's off trying find the teacher

Nice try ,,,

Stephen

I could have written that for you. With better punctuation.

Every time you're challenged to back up a statement you run away.

Later, dude.

[Oscar]

Its written very clearly on their web site

Which I have posted on many occasions

I might let someone else find some of my post which contain links to , the treasury, the world bank , IMF u name it

Or would you prefer the video....? I'm assuming you can read due to your insistence and command of the syntax,,,I am right ??? Aren't I ??

Can you give me something to work with , I'm bored with teasing the tard but I'll be nice , once .

Have a look a the trans pacific partnership

Have a wee think then try and post a comment

Good luck , I know your outside ur comfort zone and no, there will be no one there to hold your hand

But you can do it ,,,,,I believe in u ,,,,try,,,,,

Stephen

I'm not using a PC , I posted what ,,, there is just a blank space ,,,, so I , don't actually know what you are referring to ,,,,

Here's the thing, Stephen - the more you get wound up, the less sense you make.
And being as how you didn't make much sense in the first place, that's a shame.

You should calm down and use your words.

[Brian d marge]

Here's the thing, Stephen - the more you get wound up, the less sense you make.
And being as how you didn't make much sense in the first place, that's a shame.

You should calm down and use your words.

not wound up , I admit I was using the phone and its almost impossible to correct things..

I was kinda hoping you would look at the tppa , and offer some form of opinion ( with substance that I could refer to and follow up on )

Honestly I hoped as I saw the reply ......

I was wrong

never mind, equilibrium is once again restored to the universe .....

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I could have written that for you. With better punctuation.

Every time you're challenged to back up a statement you run away.

Later, dude.

ha???

Stephen, you tell me what I did about it, and what particular political characteristics motivated it. Eh?

we are talking about this sentence ?

Im sorry I dont share your magical powers , but your name isnt front and centre in any "alternative view point "

I mean Il stand to be corrected , and I will go back and check ... but your name doesnt spring to mind when talking about stopping , or curtailing the powers that be ...

stephen

[mashman]

We're sick of it, STFU.

Speak for yourself cyclops.

[mashman]

ha???

Stephen, you tell me what I did about it, and what particular political characteristics motivated it. Eh?

we are talking about this sentence ?

Im sorry I dont share your magical powers , but your name isnt front and centre in any "alternative view point "

I mean Il stand to be corrected , and I will go back and check ... but your name doesnt spring to mind when talking about stopping , or curtailing the powers that be ...

stephen

Your grandma suckz and your language is offensive to their eyes, therefore you have nothing to say of any import. In the land of the blind, the messenger is king.

[Brian d marge]

Your grandma suckz and your language is offensive to their eyes, therefore you have nothing to say of any import. In the land of the blind, the messenger is king.
I can smile a lot maybe that would help, they like people who smile

As for backing things up , its. 3, 1, 0... With Oscar coming second with that blinder he pulled about the American census,,,,

Stephen

result just in ( as in I checked. I gave up half way because the results were pretty clear ...)

in the threads shearer Dkey and stupid world Oscar 5 ( Donkey posts #24,26,34,240,251) Ocean blue , 1 # 216 from stuff.co health and lifestyle , posed a question which was answered in #103 and backed up by others in 105 113
Me 8 ( dk # 66,,81. 83,, 214 237 and 238. shearer# 75 92)

If stuff heath and lifestyle section is the definitive source of information compared with Oscars voting % in previous governments or the IMF web site , then yes my bad,,,,, I am talking bollox

[Robert Taylor]

Back on thread none of the leadership contenders or those who may have contended are anything to write home about. Cunliffe is the worst because of his sheer arrogance and many ( this is totally un PC but so what ) will just not like the look of the man. Equally, if JK vacated right now who would step up from his caucus ? There is very little to inspire people at all ends of the political spectrum. If nothing else ( and I mean if nothing else! )we used to have a number of politicians that were entertaining. Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

[unstuck]

Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

He was one cool dude, we turned up at his house on the shore one night drunk as and instead of calling the popo, he came out and had a yarn with us. May not of been the best of leaders, and was feeding off the public purse like the rest of them but he seemed to genuinely interested in people.:Punk::Punk:

I still laugh at that comment he made to David Lange "I love you David" or something like that.:laugh::laugh:

[scott411]

Back on thread none of the leadership contenders or those who may have contended are anything to write home about. Cunliffe is the worst because of his sheer arrogance and many ( this is totally un PC but so what ) will just not like the look of the man. Equally, if JK vacated right now who would step up from his caucus ? There is very little to inspire people at all ends of the political spectrum. If nothing else ( and I mean if nothing else! )we used to have a number of politicians that were entertaining. Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

agreed that at Cunliffe's press conference yesterday he came across pretty horribly, playing up to the crowd, of the bunch I like Shane Jones the best, but he would have upset to many of the factions that reside in the labour party,

as for John Keys replacement, Judith Collins seems the only one that really can step up IMO,

[Oscar]

I can smile a lot maybe that would help, they like people who smile

As for backing things up , its. 3, 1, 0... With Oscar coming second with that blinder he pulled about the American census,,,,

Stephen

result just in ( as in I checked. I gave up half way because the results were pretty clear ...)

in the threads shearer Dkey and stupid world Oscar 5 ( Donkey posts #24,26,34,240,251) Ocean blue , 1 # 216 from stuff.co health and lifestyle , posed a question which was answered in #103 and backed up by others in 105 113
Me 8 ( dk # 66,,81. 83,, 214 237 and 238. shearer# 75 92)

If stuff heath and lifestyle section is the definitive source of information compared with Oscars voting % in previous governments or the IMF web site , then yes my bad,,,,, I am talking bollox

Yes.
Yes, you are talking bollox (what is that drivel about the US census?).
You also assume that we read every last bit of gibberish that you post.
Notwithstanding that, the statements that you make along the lines that: NZ is in the IMF, the IMF is run by the US, therefore NZ is run by the US, are not facts, they are your opinion.

Perhaps you could post some evidence of this direct link from Washington to Wellington. And no, membership of the World Bank or the IMF does not constitute proof. It just proves that we are part of a Western bloc with a similar economic philosphy.

[Paul in NZ]

agreed that at Cunliffe's press conference yesterday he came across pretty horribly, playing up to the crowd,

Classic mistake of playing the crowd in the room and ignoring the crowd that matters on the end of the TV camera... It was not a comfortable or even remotely 'presidential' style...


of the bunch I like Shane Jones the best,

Same here but hes probably still got too many stains from blotting his copy book... Would he ever be able to live that down as a PM? Plus he really doesnt look very PMish does he?

As for the 'other guy'... I just don't think its going to fly. Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

[Oscar]

Classic mistake of playing the crowd in the room and ignoring the crowd that matters on the end of the TV camera... It was not a comfortable or even remotely 'presidential' style...



Same here but hes probably still got too many stains from blotting his copy book... Would he ever be able to live that down as a PM? Plus he really doesnt look very PMish does he?

As for the 'other guy'... I just don't think its going to fly. Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

It's a pity, as Jones is a far better politician than the rest.
However the man-hating wing of the Labour Party is just never going to forgive him.

The others - Cunnliffe came close to self-parody yesterday and "the other guy" is so anonymous his sexuality is all he's got going for him. I see an opinion piece in the Harold today where a lefty lawyer takes the party to task for not offering up a woman. This is pretty funny considering the party was run by wimmin for a decade or so.

Is it possible that the oldest political party in NZ might slowly commit hara-kiri by turning its back on its best and brightest whilst trying to offer the most acceptable focus group candidate based on gender and sexual orientation?

[Paul in NZ]

"the other guy" is so anonymous his sexuality is all he's got going for him.

Elegantly put....

[MisterD]

Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

Nah, I think you're wrong, Robertson is no Chris Carter. His bigger problem is that he's a Wellington lifelong party insider, ex Helen Clark's office etc etc

[Paul in NZ]

Nah, I think you're wrong, Robertson is no Chris Carter. His bigger problem is that he's a Wellington lifelong party insider, ex Helen Clark's office etc etc

I think Oscar has it. The bigger problem is that other than being gay - no one knows anything about him... or worse - cares...

[oldrider]

Just picked up off the TV1 news that "WE" the taxpayers are footing the bill for this Liabour Party "American style" Leadership charade! WTF? :angry2:

[Brian d marge]

Yes.
Yes, you are talking bollox (what is that drivel about the US census?).
You also assume that we read every last bit of gibberish that you post.
Notwithstanding that, the statements that you make along the lines that: NZ is in the IMF, the IMF is run by the US, therefore NZ is run by the US, are not facts, they are your opinion.

Perhaps you could post some evidence of this direct link from Washington to Wellington. And no, membership of the World Bank or the IMF does not constitute proof. It just proves that we are part of a Western bloc with a similar economic philosphy.


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894.6
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Bill English
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Graeme Wheeler


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from the link below , that there is A FACT .( no that you would recognize one )

So , As per the link I posted before the US has 16% of the voting rights , the nearest to that is Russia or Britain on around 4 % http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx Would the term "Heavily influenced" make you feel better ?

Snip from wiki;
<style type="text/css">H4 { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }H4.cjk { font-family: "Droid Sans Fallback"; }H4.ctl { font-family: "Lohit Hindi"; }H3 { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }H3.cjk { font-family: "Droid Sans Fallback"; }H3.ctl { font-family: "Lohit Hindi"; }P { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }A:link { }</style> Conditionality of loans IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) The IMF does not require collateral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_%28finance%29) from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-An_Analysis_of_IMF_Conditionality-15) The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Crisis_of_Neoliberalism-8)

Conditionality of loans IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) The IMF does not require collateral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_%28finance%29) from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-An_Analysis_of_IMF_Conditionality-15) The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Crisis_of_Neoliberalism-8)

Structural adjustment Further information: Structural adjustment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_adjustment)
Some of the conditions for structural adjustment can include:


Cutting expenditures, also known as austerity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austerity).

Focusing economic output on direct export and resource extraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_extraction),

Devaluation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaluation) of currencies,

Trade liberalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_liberalization), or lifting import and export restrictions,

Increasing the stability of investment (by supplementing foreign direct investment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_direct_investment) with the opening of domestic stock markets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_markets)),

Balancing budgets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_budget) and not overspending,

Removing price controls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_control) and state subsidies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy),

Privatization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization), or divestiture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divestiture) of all or part of state-owned enterprises,

Enhancing the rights of foreign investors vis-a-vis national laws,

Improving governance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance) and fighting corruption


Any of this happening in New Zealand ????? Sorry I couldnt find on their website a direct quote along the lines of , by Joining us we will screw you ,,,as much as I looked. Sorry to disappoint !

Quack Quack , has webbed feet , swims in the water , oh gosh it might be a duck !

How you doing on forming an Opinion on the TPPA ???

Stephen

[Oscar]

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New Zealand3 (http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx#3)
894.6
0.38
Bill English
9,683
0.38





Graeme Wheeler


</tbody>

from the link below , that there is A FACT .( no that you would recognize one )

So , As per the link I posted before the US has 16% of the voting rights , the nearest to that is Russia or Britain on around 4 % http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx Would the term "Heavily influenced" make you feel better ?

Snip from wiki;
<style type="text/css">H4 { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }H4.cjk { font-family: "Droid Sans Fallback"; }H4.ctl { font-family: "Lohit Hindi"; }H3 { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }H3.cjk { font-family: "Droid Sans Fallback"; }H3.ctl { font-family: "Lohit Hindi"; }P { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }A:link { }</style> Conditionality of loans IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) The IMF does not require collateral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_%28finance%29) from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-An_Analysis_of_IMF_Conditionality-15) The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Crisis_of_Neoliberalism-8)

Conditionality of loans IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) The IMF does not require collateral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_%28finance%29) from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Jensen_2004.2C_April.2C_Issue_48-6) Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-An_Analysis_of_IMF_Conditionality-15) The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund#cite_note-Crisis_of_Neoliberalism-8)

Structural adjustment Further information: Structural adjustment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_adjustment)
Some of the conditions for structural adjustment can include:


Cutting expenditures, also known as austerity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austerity).

Focusing economic output on direct export and resource extraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_extraction),

Devaluation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devaluation) of currencies,

Trade liberalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_liberalization), or lifting import and export restrictions,

Increasing the stability of investment (by supplementing foreign direct investment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_direct_investment) with the opening of domestic stock markets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_markets)),

Balancing budgets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_budget) and not overspending,

Removing price controls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_control) and state subsidies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy),

Privatization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization), or divestiture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divestiture) of all or part of state-owned enterprises,

Enhancing the rights of foreign investors vis-a-vis national laws,

Improving governance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance) and fighting corruption


Any of this happening in New Zealand ????? Sorry I couldnt find on their website a direct quote along the lines of , by Joining us we will screw you ,,,as much as I looked. Sorry to disappoint !

Quack Quack , has webbed feet , swims in the water , oh gosh it might be a duck !

How you doing on forming an Opinion on the TPPA ???

Stephen

So, who held a gun to head and made us join?
The fact is simple - we're a small country (albiet one that pucjes above our weight on the world stage) and if we want to get ahead, we have to make compromises (like trading with China).

As for quacking, do you recall what NZ was like before restructuring?
Google that, and then tell us we'd be better off with Muldoonist economics.

[puddytat]

Is it possible that the oldest political party in NZ might slowly commit hara-kiri by turning its back on its best and brightest whilst trying to offer the most acceptable focus group candidate based on gender and sexual orientation?

Very possible..........

[Brian d marge]

So, who held a gun to head and made us join?
The fact is simple - we're a small country (albiet one that pucjes above our weight on the world stage) and if we want to get ahead, we have to make compromises (like trading with China).

As for quacking, do you recall what NZ was like before restructuring?
Google that, and then tell us we'd be better off with Muldoonist economics.

pucjes ?? by that do we mean punches??

Anyway ,I was actually in the middle of doing that , p'haps you could help? Think big, was ( I think) funded through public debt. taxes etc I cannot find any information as to where the loans came from

As ( Brian ) Easton said , if "think big" happened a few years later yes it may have had a chance , ( not a fact and not my opinion )
Considering the outside economic pressure on Muldoon , Overall , Im going to say YES , we would have been better off if that " New Zealand socialist style " had continued

its when the followers of Hayek , and their Chicago plans , THATS the point when NZ went south.....Chicago thats in America that is

Stephen

before you start yes , I was around at that time , car-less days etc , I had a ford anglebox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Muldoon

On a lighter note;
heres a Quote from Hayek ( have you read his book ? I doubt it )

"Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded."

[oldrider]

As for quacking, do you recall what NZ was like before restructuring?
Google that, and then tell us we'd be better off with Muldoonist economics.

Muldoon was a control freak and the worst socialist leader that New Zealand has ever had, his SMP subsidy (supplementary minimum price) turned all our farmers into beneficiaries subsidised by the general taxpayers!

Labour and National swapped roles with each other (not that their loyal voters ever knew it) for a few years and after Labours then "right wing" policies lifted the country out of the poop they swapped back and now they are back where they were before! :confused:

Most of the electorate in NZ never knew the difference anyway and just carried on voting with their arseholes as always! :bash:

[Brian d marge]

Muldoon was a control freak and the worst socialist leader that New Zealand has ever had, his SMP subsidy (supplementary minimum price) turned all our farmers into beneficiaries subsidised by the general taxpayers!

Labour and National swapped roles with each other (not that their loyal voters ever knew it) for a few years and after Labours then "right wing" policies lifted the country out of the poop they swapped back and now they are back where they were before! :confused:

Most of the electorate in NZ never knew the difference anyway and just carried on voting with their arseholes as always! :bash:

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/Singleton.NZ

Are we better off now , not from the indicators I look at.

Snip;
The New Zealand economy has recently been perceived as successful. However, the generally positive outlook includes some challenges. New Zealand income levels, which used to be above much of Western Europe prior to the deep crisis of the 1970s, have never recovered in relative terms. For instance, the New Zealand GDP per capita is less than that of Spain and about 60% that of the United States. Income inequality has increased greatly, implying that significant portions of the population have quite modest incomes. Further, New Zealand has a very large current account deficit of 8–9% of GDP. Despite this, its public debt stands at 33.7% (2011 est.)[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_Zealand#cite_note-25) of the total GDP, which is small compared to many developed nations. However, between 1984 and 2006, net foreign debt increased 11-fold, to NZ$182 billion, NZ$45,000 for each person.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_Zealand#cite_note-SALE-13)
The combination of a modest public debt and a large net foreign debt reflects that most of the net foreign debt is held by the private sector. At 31 June 2012, gross foreign debt was NZ$256.4 billion, or 125.3% of GDP.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_Zealand#cite_note-26) At 31 March 2012, net foreign debt was NZ$141.65 billion or 104.4% of GDP.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_Zealand#cite_note-27)
New Zealand's persistent current-account deficits have two main causes. The first is that earnings from agricultural exports and tourism have failed to cover the imports of advanced manufactured goods and other imports (such as imported fuels) required to sustain the New Zealand economy. Secondly, there has been an investment income imbalance or net outflow for debt-servicing of external loans. The proportion of the current account deficit that is attributable to the investment income imbalance (a net outflow to the Australian-owned banking sector) grew from one third in 1997 to roughly 70% in 2008.


Well I was looking up something else ,

IF the measure of a govenment is to " protect and serve " the people then its measurement is surely how it " protects and serves " the weakest.

Even if Muldoon was a control freak etc he at least had an ear or the ones at the bottom. So with that , I present to the waiting world ,,,,, JOHN KEY ta daaaaaa

Stephen

Stephen

[oldrider]

Just read my signature and ask yourself the question ... Are we there yet? :shifty:

[Oscar]

Just read my signature and ask yourself the question ... Are we there yet? :shifty:

So who is holding the gun to your head?

[imdying]

I still have to live with the Government. Every year this white male keeps his mouth shut, does his job, pays his taxes, doesn't complain. The Government gets what they want out of me, and I don't get fucked even more than I am. But it saddens me that I will never see an end to this pig. Too many people think this pig is a good thing. Too many think it talks to spiders and sniffs flowers. Well, that was depressing, because it's true.

[mashman]

Just read my signature and ask yourself the question ... Are we there yet? :shifty:

I'd remove the "Are we there yet?" bit, coz that's a given, and replace it with something else, like, "How do you think it'll end?"


So who is holding the gun to your head?

The banks :weird:

[oldrider]

So who is holding the gun to your head?

Governments, central, local and all other manner of tax extorting thieves!

Personally I am debt free but they are not whether I vote for them or not, like every other citizen we are accountable for their excesses. There is no escape!

[Ocean1]

You and people like you have ruined NZ


how's that rego increase ? Do anything about it ,,,, no probably not ,,,


But you know me so well, Stephen, you tell me what I did about it,


ha???

Yes, this. If you know me well enough to attribute to me some mysterious political motivation that’s ruined NZ you’d presumably have to know me pretty well. Fuck knows what relevance a rego increase has to the ruination of the country but you obviously thought it was an important enough link to highlight it.

So, you know me well, well enough to blame me for the ruin of NZ, (lets just gloss over the fact that NZ rates better in almost every quality-of-life indicator than at any time in it's history, better than most of the rest of the western world, and stunningly better than every other nation not associated with those nasty American bankers you keep blaming), but not well enough to say what you’d expect would be my response to that rego increase.

Wana give it a proper try now? Or do you in fact know nowhere near enough to shoot your mouth off on the topic. Again.


Ah gwarn, I’ll even take a semi accurate label of my political motivations.




Anything?

[Oscar]

The banks :weird:

So you HAVE to borrow money from the banks?
For someone that has so much to say about the monetary system, you're pretty clueless about the subject.

[Oscar]

Governments, central, local and all other manner of tax extorting thieves!

Personally I am debt free but they are not whether I vote for them or not, like every other citizen we are accountable for their excesses. There is no escape!

Yes there is.
Go to Somalia.
No taxes there (if you can run fast and use an AK47).

[Oscar]

Yes, this. If you know me well enough to attribute to me some mysterious political motivation that’s ruined NZ you’d presumably have to know me pretty well. Fuck knows what relevance a rego increase has to the ruination of the country but you obviously thought it was an important enough link to highlight it.

So, you know me well, well enough to blame me for the ruin of NZ, (lets just gloss over the fact that NZ rates better in almost every quality-of-life indicator than at any time in it's history, better than most of the rest of the western world, and stunningly better than every other nation not associated with those nasty American bankers you keep blaming), but not well enough to say what you’d expect would be my response to that rego increase.

Wana give it a proper try now? Or do you in fact know nowhere near enough to shoot your mouth off on the topic. Again.


Ah gwarn, I’ll even take a semi accurate label of my political motivations.




Anything?

So it was you!
I always wondered who ruined this country.
My Dad says it was Keith Holyoake, my first boss said the Unions, and the guy at the pub said the Chinese.
But it was you all along.
You preeeck.

[ellipsis]

"WE" taxpayers footing bill Leadership charade! WTF? :angry2:

...after all these years you still ask the same old question!...it was the taxpayer that paid for the games at the Circus Maximus, kept the Roman despots in power...why would they change a tried and true system...

[mashman]

So you HAVE to borrow money from the banks?
For someone that has so much to say about the monetary system, you're pretty clueless about the subject.

Yes. Where else does money come from?

[Oscar]

Yes. Where else does money come from?

The question was about debt.
Do you think the banks are the only source of credit?

[mashman]

The question was about debt.
Do you think the banks are the only source of credit?

Banks produce debt each time they create money.
Nope. But those who extend credit will have gotten that money from a bank at some point or other.

[Oscar]

Banks produce debt each time they create money.
Nope. But those who extend credit will have gotten that money from a bank at some point or other.

That's like blaming global warming on Petrol Stations.

Besides, you can create debt without money.

[Ocean1]

I always wondered who ruined this country.

Somewhat against the local current I'd say we've got a lot to thank someone about, why should evel bonkers.. er bankers get all the credit?

[Ocean1]

Yes. Where else does money come from?

Real people earn it.

One of these days it'll sink in.

[mashman]

That's like blaming global warming on Petrol Stations.

Besides, you can create debt without money.

Not it's not... if you had have said petrol companies, that would have been an apt analogy.

Depends on how you define debt.


Real people earn it.

One of these days it'll sink in.

:tugger:

[Oscar]

Not it's not... if you had have said petrol companies, that would have been an apt analogy.

Depends on how you define debt.



:tugger:

The analogy was that Banks are only distributors.
Perhaps it was too acute for you.

[mashman]

The analogy was that Banks are only distributors.
Perhaps it was too acute for you.

Your example was only half of the story given that they are the producers... I also mentioned both debt and credit, not just debt. Each to his own.

[Indiana_Jones]

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?

-Indy

[oldrider]

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?

-Indy

We are paying for the whole bloody pantomime while Labour gets all this free publicity getting them ready for the next election! :argh:

[Brian d marge]

Yes, this. If you know me well enough to attribute to me some mysterious political motivation that’s ruined NZ you’d presumably have to know me pretty well. Fuck knows what relevance a rego increase has to the ruination of the country but you obviously thought it was an important enough link to highlight it.

So, you know me well, well enough to blame me for the ruin of NZ, (lets just gloss over the fact that NZ rates better in almost every quality-of-life indicator than at any time in it's history, better than most of the rest of the western world, and stunningly better than every other nation not associated with those nasty American bankers you keep blaming), but not well enough to say what you’d expect would be my response to that rego increase.

Wana give it a proper try now? Or do you in fact know nowhere near enough to shoot your mouth off on the topic. Again.


Ah gwarn, I’ll even take a semi accurate label of my political motivations.




Anything?

fair call , I wont even scurry of to check , but what ever I say ill be wrong , but "hey" lets have some fun. Still doesn’t change anything I said or the substances of you posts , even this one ..been reading health and beauty again I see.....

48 or 50, bike on tick , mortgage which is just ok to pay , upper blue collar or lower white collar working . from a good hard working Presbyterian family , work hard pay ya way and that’s life.
probably went to the bikoi but has problems with wingin poms. Inside struggles or feels helpless to do anything about the daily crap so try to justify it with own upbringing in order to make sense of life. Would secretly like to vote labour , but gets bent out of shape over the percieved threat of an undeserved section of society getting something that you have to work hard for ..... so votes national

now on to the other part of the post ... Rego was rammed through by the current government and didn’t need to be increased ,ACC didnt need fixing ( a 1c tax increase back in the middle 90s would have seen Acc sweet as .... IF you were on the bikoi you would know this . Its just a symptom of the disease that is the new right. But then you know this right !


New Zealand quality of life . where do I start , it was pretty good under the socialist and styed contant from about 1938 till 1980 odd , the effects of the korean war and all......but a quick check tells me its 15th 7.4 out of 10 BEHIND the united states and Autralia but infront of japan........due to a change in ideology as you well know

please Google thing before you dribble, ( do you want me to post the links or do you want to give Google a try by your self)
"
Stephen

[Brian d marge]

The analogy was that Banks are only distributors.
Perhaps it was too acute for you.

do you know anything about fractional reserve banking or indeed the reserve bank act 1989

Do you want me to hold you hand and post the links

Stephen

[Bikemad]

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate.

-Indy

yep.......and the candidates............a westie,a wanker and a homo.............good grief...........i suppose at least shane jones is a hands on type of guy

[unstuck]

Got to love the way Jones calls reporters "Bro". Maybe our first " Cuzzie" PM? :Punk::Punk:

[Oscar]

do you know anything about fractional reserve banking or indeed the reserve bank act 1989

Do you want me to hold you hand and post the links

Stephen

No - take Ocean's advise and STFU.
Mushbrain was reply to a comment I'd made to someone else and typically he got it wrong.
Now you're chipping in four posts later and have even less to contribute.

[mashman]

No - take Ocean's advise and STFU.
Mushbrain was reply to a comment I'd made to someone else and typically he got it wrong.
Now you're chipping in four posts later and have even less to contribute.

Don't be scared, you will be looked after.

[Banditbandit]

The question was about debt.
Do you think the banks are the only source of credit?

We give credit every time we accept that we get paid the week after we have earned the money - all companies run on the credit granted by their workers ... and usually pay off the debt every two weeks ..



Real people earn it.

One of these days it'll sink in.

:killingme: That is so simplistic as to be laughable ...



So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?

-Indy

Yeah .. despite DonKey saying on TV3 last night that everyone does it and he didn't have a problem with it I do .. it may not be against the rules .. but it is certainly not ethical ...

But then - expecting ethical behaviour from politicians is a bit like expecting I'll get a blowjob from Pamela Anderson

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/49184665/Pamela+Anderson.jpg

It's possible - but never likely to happen ...

[SPman]

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?
To answer your quote with another quote....


The three contenders for the Labour leadership have confirmed taxpayers are stumping up for the cost of them flying around the country to pitch for votes.

Labour MPs are also likely to charge their flights to the taxpayer for attending any of the 12 candidates meetings planned around the country over the next two weeks.

The three contenders - Grant Robertson, David Cunliffe and Shane Jones - confirmed they would use the travel perk to campaign over the next two weeks.

But they will pay for all their other expenses, such as accommodation, out of their own pockets.



As they should. While the Speaker's Directions (http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0000196024) allow unlimited domestic air travel, they only fund accomodation for "parliamentary business". But while its unquestionably within the rules, does that make it right?

Firstly, we pay for MP's domestic travel not just so they can get from their constituencies to Wellington and back every sitting week, but also to allow them to fulfil their wider democratic purpose. Communicating policy. Investigating problems. Talking to us. We pay for them to show up en masse in Christchurch or Greymouth to show solidarity in the wake of a disaster, and we pay for them to go to South Auckland to launch employment policy outside a closed factory, because its their job to do those things. They are part of our democratic conversation - something we want our MPs to be full participants in.

But MPs aren't just individuals - they are members of political parties. And those parties play an important role both in the House and in our democratic conversation. Which is why the Speaker's Directions state that "Parliamentary business" includes "any function that... a party could be reasonably expected to carry out in its capacity as a party, and that complements the business of the House of Representatives" (and specifically includes attending caucus and party meetings as examples of "Parliamentary business").

Parliamentary parties need leaders (both in practice and by Standing Orders). The House needs a Leader of the Opposition (ditto). These are democratic and Parliamentary functions. Its a core part of our democracy, and therefore something that should be publicly funded.

[oldrider]

David Shearer didn't resign he was pushed and even I have to admit the timing and the US style road show is impeccable, politically ruthless but impeccable!

Labour is already (and it will continue) gaining maximum exposure with this leadership charade and it will lead them right up to the next election!

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!

Scurrilous cunts, they will stop at nothing to gain power! :stoogie: ... All of them!

[scott411]

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!
!

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

next years election will be close, National will get the highest party vote, but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

[unstuck]

but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

They will just buy some more, with our tax money.:niceone:

[mashman]

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

next years election will be close, National will get the highest party vote, but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

Dunne may well be done as his constituency don't seem to be happy with him not representing their views. Funny that.

[scott411]

They will just buy some more, with our tax money.:niceone:

prob still be cheaper than the Helen Clarke free student loan bribe that won her a 3rd term,

[Brian d marge]

The analogy was that Banks are only distributors.
Perhaps it was too acute for you.


Your example was only half of the story given that they are the producers... I also mentioned both debt and credit, not just debt. Each to his own.


Banks produce debt each time they create money.
Nope. But those who extend credit will have gotten that money from a bank at some point or other.


That's like blaming global warming on Petrol Stations.

Besides, you can create debt without money.

No he is right you are wrong ( but in a barter system you can create debt without money )

I pointed out he was talking about fraction reserve banking ... which added content to his posts...

so why dont u STFU , and as for listening to the other idiot , we have already proven the tenor of his posts , ( with actual facts to !)

If it wasn’t for you two morons , we would have to discuss which monkey gets to challenge the dominate male ,,which isnt the real problem , like putting racing stripes on a hillman hunter

Stephen

[SPman]

David Shearer didn't resign he was pushed and even I have to admit the timing and the US style road show is impeccable, politically ruthless but impeccable!

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!


He resigned before he was pushed. Shearer would make a great Foreign Minister, but as a party leader he was disastrous!
The taxpayer always pays for it - it applies to all parties - not just Labour - the Nats and co are just as eligible and take full advantage of it.

It's a non event -
Key blows $30m on corporate welfare to privatize Meridian but the real problem is 3 challengers for the Opposition leadership using taxpayer dollars to travel around the country to engage in the democratic process?



John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party, You're fucking joking - mind you.......a party lead by a liar and charlatan, teaming up with a lying charlatan, teaming up with a cowardly liar........is this representative of NZ? If so, the country is in worse shape than I thought........

[puddytat]

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

,

Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

[scott411]

Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

imagine if Winston goes the other way, if a Labour/green/NZ first/Mana coalition is not the definition of unstable i don't know what it,

[puddytat]

Only because of Winston though......

[oldrider]

Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

That combination will "appear" to be new and might take nine years before the people wake up and actually throw them out! :rolleyes:

If National and Key go back in it will only be three years and then their time will be up and the restless people will do their thing regardless! :weird:

The whole country will end up like Auckland and nothing that needs to be done will ever get done before they throw the baby out with the bath water again! :banana:

[scott411]

Only because of Winston though......

yes, because Hone will just be awesome in power, hope he would turn up to parliament more than he does now if he does get some power,

[Oscar]

No he is right you are wrong ( but in a barter system you can create debt without money )

I pointed out he was talking about fraction reserve banking ... which added content to his posts...

so why dont u STFU , and as for listening to the other idiot , we have already proven the tenor of his posts , ( with actual facts to !)

If it wasn’t for you two morons , we would have to discuss which monkey gets to challenge the dominate male ,,which isnt the real problem , like putting racing stripes on a hillman hunter

Stephen

Whatever you and he were talking about bore little or no relation to what I was replying to.

Go back and review the original post (or STFU).

[mashman]

Whatever you and he were talking about bore little or no relation to what I was replying to.

Go back and review the original post (or STFU).

There's nothing out of context that I've seen... seems like a case of Oscaritis, which is best illustrated with a cartoon.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/moving-the-goal-posts_dilbert_9498.png

[Brian d marge]

So who is holding the gun to your head?


I'd remove the "Are we there yet?" bit, coz that's a given, and replace it with something else, like, "How do you think it'll end?"



The banks :weird:


Governments, central, local and all other manner of tax extorting thieves!

Personally I am debt free but they are not whether I vote for them or not, like every other citizen we are accountable for their excesses. There is no escape!


So you HAVE to borrow money from the banks?
For someone that has so much to say about the monetary system, you're pretty clueless about the subject.


Yes there is.
Go to Somalia.
No taxes there (if you can run fast and use an AK47).


Yes. Where else does money come from?


The question was about debt.
Do you think the banks are the only source of credit?


Banks produce debt each time they create money.
Nope. But those who extend credit will have gotten that money from a bank at some point or other.


That's like blaming global warming on Petrol Stations.

Besides, you can create debt without money.


Not it's not... if you had have said petrol companies, that would have been an apt analogy.

Depends on how you define debt.



:tugger:


The analogy was that Banks are only distributors. ( wrong they also create debt,,, my comment )
Perhaps it was too acute for you.


Your example was only half of the story given that they are the producers... I also mentioned both debt and credit, not just debt. Each to his own.


do you know anything about fractional reserve banking or indeed the reserve bank act 1989

Do you want me to hold you hand and post the links

Stephen


No - take Ocean's advise and STFU.
Mushbrain was reply to a comment I'd made to someone else and typically he got it wrong.
Now you're chipping in four posts later and have even less to contribute.


Whatever you and he were talking about bore little or no relation to what I was replying to.

Go back and review the original post (or STFU).

There ya go , He didnt get it wrong nor did I. You are Just trying to weasel out your stupidity , been called out and found wanting .

Again

Now p'haps you can enlighten us on your ideal New Zealand ( happy with it , if so why ? ) and would you make any changes ? who would you vote for

Note; ( this may take a few sentences ..good luck)

Oh and how ya doing on the opinion about the TPPA? ,

Stephen

[Oscar]

There ya go , He didnt get it wrong nor did I. You are Just trying to weasel out your stupidity , been called out and found wanting .

Again

Now p'haps you can enlighten us on your ideal New Zealand ( happy with it , if so why ? ) and would you make any changes ? who would you vote for

Note; ( this may take a few sentences ..good luck)

Oh and how ya doing on the opinion about the TPPA? ,

Stephen

You are a very sad individual.
You must have far too much time on your hands.
The conversation was between me and oldrider about debt (it turned he was referring to Govt. debt).
As for the rest, it's the usual interaction with you and Mushbrain where you guys demand opinions on unrelated dross, so I as I said, feel free to STFU.


Ps. My ideal NZ, is this one, the one I live in now. The one where I have seven motorbikes, a nice family, great house, no debt and a good income.
And before you bother, in respect of your opinion of an ideal NZ, I couldn't give a shit about the fetid ravings of someone who cares so much about a country he apparently doesn't even live in.

[Oscar]

There's nothing out of context that I've seen... seems like a case of Oscaritis, which is best illustrated with a cartoon.



It comes as no surprise to anyone here that your opinions are best expressed via the medium of cartoons.
Apparently that's where most of your ideas come from...

[mashman]

It comes as no surprise to anyone here that your opinions are best expressed via the medium of cartoons.
Apparently that's where most of your ideas come from...

So you've got nothing in response to Stephen's questions then, other than you've got stuff? :killingme
No they don't. I was merely conveying what Oscaritis is using a cartoon. For one who was so keen to highlight that they protested back in the day on behalf of people living in another country, you do absolutely fuck all for the people of this one but deride them for wanting better for people other than just you. You should run for office.

[george formby]

I just popped into this thread on the last page. That David Shearer must be a real bad bastard, look at the trouble he's caused amongst ewes lot! I guess we should count our blessings he's left politics and going into finance.

[Oscar]

So you've got nothing in response to Stephen's questions then, other than you've got stuff? :killingme
No they don't. I was merely conveying what Oscaritis is using a cartoon. For one who was so keen to highlight that they protested back in the day on behalf of people living in another country, you do absolutely fuck all for the people of this one but deride them for wanting better for people other than just you. You should run for office.

Why should I give a flying fuck about the Trans Pacific Partnership or any other product of his masturbatory imagination in a thread about the Labour Leadership?

[Banditbandit]

I vote this thread, which has deteriorated beyond help - gets consigned to the Pointless Drivel section

Now .. Where's a Mod when you need one ..

[mashman]

Why should I give a flying fuck about the Trans Pacific Partnership or any other product of his masturbatory imagination in a thread about the Labour Leadership?

Oh, so now you want to stay on topic. You do know that it's polite to answer a question when asked? I guess that goes hand in hand with your hypocrisy.


I vote this thread, which has deteriorated beyond help - gets consigned to the Pointless Drivel section

Now .. Where's a Mod when you need one ..

PD would be a very busy place if every thread that wandered from your preferred topic was consigned there... many a member would have pink eye too.

[mashman]

I just popped into this thread on the last page. That David Shearer must be a real bad bastard, look at the trouble he's caused amongst ewes lot! I guess we should count our blessings he's left politics and going into finance.

It's still exactly the same party full of the same members innit? Changing the leader will accomplish, erm, oh yeah, awesome TV and lots of advertising.

[Brian d marge]

Why should I give a flying fuck about the Trans Pacific Partnership or any other product of his masturbatory imagination in a thread about the Labour Leadership?
O gods
Please say I didnt just read the above
Please tell me its a troll

No one ......no one can be this stupid , not even my wife , even if looked at from an oscatarian viewpoint

Has to be a troll

Stephen

Labour leadership and the tppa are just like so linked ya all

[Brian d marge]

I vote this thread, which has deteriorated beyond help - gets consigned to the Pointless Drivel section

Now .. Where's a Mod when you need one ..
No ,,,,don't go telling teacher ,,, let me make fun of the tards on the short bus ....

Stephen

By definition a tard is someone who fails to fit in with the community either by gross stupidity or rejected by one or more in said community
Just checked the oxford English , it said , one who owns seven ?? Go figure !

[george formby]

O gods
Please say I didnt just read the above
Please tell me its a troll

No one ......no one can be this stupid , not even my wife , even if looked at from an oscatarian viewpoint

Has to be a troll

Stephen

Labour leadership and the tppa are just like so linked ya all

What is an oscatarian viewpoint? The interwebs is struggling with it. Gonna try urban dictionary next.

[Brian d marge]

What is an oscatarian viewpoint? The interwebs is struggling with it. Gonna try urban dictionary next.
Its kinda new, but take an everyday object or idea , look at it through Oscars eyes , viewpoint
And let the magic happen, I don't recommend you try this more than once ,


Stephen

[Oscar]

Oh, so now you want to stay on topic. You do know that it's polite to answer a question when asked? I guess that goes hand in hand with your hypocrisy.



.

Hypocrisy?
I refuse to answer a question which has not relation to the thread, or even the current thread hijack and I'm a hypocrite?
I'm with Bandit on this one.

[Oscar]

No ,,,,don't go telling teacher ,,, let me make fun of the tards on the short bus ....

Stephen

By definition a tard is someone who fails to fit in with the community either by gross stupidity or rejected by one or more in said community
Just checked the oxford English , it said , one who owns seven ?? Go figure !

Are there any mirrors in Japan?

[oldrider]

I vote this thread, which has deteriorated beyond help - gets consigned to the Pointless Drivel section

Now .. Where's a Mod when you need one ..

Plus 1, the thread has followed Shearer off course into never never land/pointless drivel. :mellow:

[Ocean1]

fair call , I wont even scurry of to check , but what ever I say ill be wrong , but "hey" lets have some fun. Still doesn’t change anything I said or the substances of you posts , even this one ..been reading health and beauty again I see.....

So you might be wrong, but that won’t change your opinion?

Sounds pretty much like what I’ve come to expect from you.


48 or 50, bike on tick , mortgage which is just ok to pay , upper blue collar or lower white collar working . from a good hard working Presbyterian family , work hard pay ya way and that’s life.
probably went to the bikoi but has problems with wingin poms. Inside struggles or feels helpless to do anything about the daily crap so try to justify it with own upbringing in order to make sense of life. Would secretly like to vote labour , but gets bent out of shape over the percieved threat of an

So, that’s the prick eh? The man who sold the world.

Sounds like a right arsehole.

Leme see , now…


48 or 50

Miles out.


bike on tick

I own all of them outright.


mortgage which is just ok to pay

Home is freehold.


upper blue collar or lower white collar working .

If you have to categorise “class” in such terms it automatically labels you as someone to whom such things matter. But to humour such as you as far as possible I can tell you that today I advised a board on some technical issues and I cleaned some floors. You can stick those under whatever collar colour class designation makes you feel least threatened.


from a good hard working Presbyterian family

Not really, no.


probably went to the bikoi but has problems with wingin poms. Inside struggles or feels helpless to do anything about the daily crap so try to justify it with own upbringing in order to make sense of life. Would secretly like to vote labour , but gets bent out of shape over the percieved threat of an undeserved section of society getting something that you have to work hard for ..... so votes national

No. Has problems with wingers of any flavour, especially those that like to blame every single negative aspect of their lives, real and imagined on an historic national fiscal governance event. Has no problem with daily crap because it pays for my toys. Has voted for both labour and national. Is disappointed in the burgeoning underachiever class consuming more than they earn. Gets annoyed when they bleat about how far behind the Jones’s they are and how unfair it all is.


So, not a good score for someone who claims to know me well enough to claim I’ve ruined NZ. Consistent, though insomuch as it meets your usual criteria for clear facts on which to base an opinion.


now on to the other part of the post ... Rego was rammed through by the current government and didn’t need to be increased ,ACC didnt need fixing ( a 1c tax increase back in the middle 90s would have seen Acc sweet as .... IF you were on the bikoi you would know this . Its just a symptom of the disease that is the new right. But then you know this right !

Not a question, then. Yet another item in which you know me better than myself, eh? As it happens I do know the drivers behind the rego change. I just wouldn’t be so single-mindedly simplistic as to attribute it to a mythical political enemy. And I certainly wouldn’t attribute it to some policy forced on us by the IMF.



New Zealand quality of life . where do I start , it was pretty good under the socialist and styed contant from about 1938 till 1980 odd , the effects of the korean war and all......but a quick check tells me its 15th 7.4 out of 10 BEHIND the united states and

I knew that's where you'd start. High spending socialist governments responsible for high income and subsequent high quality of life? No other possible explanation for the good life, Stephen? I wonder if peaks in our exports to blighty might have coincided with those socialist governments, do you think?

I’m interested where you got that from. WHO, was it? Or one of the other benighted left staggering international social analysts? Whatever, quality of life here is better than it was, which was better that it was... And as I’ve pointed out before, we do far less than our parents did for better return, immeasurably better than our grandparents.

And still, there’s them wot bitch that it’s all too hard.


please Google thing before you dribble, ( do you want me to post the links or do you want to give Google a try by your self)
"
Stephen

Let’s just take it that either of us can find “proof” of whatever we want on the net, eh? And stop pretending that some obscure tangential white paper or budget speech demonstrates fuck all, because the only person that finds it relevant is you.

[Ocean1]

:killingme: That is so simplistic as to be laughable ...


Laugh away mate. Either you model your world around the concept that reward should be linked to the production of something others want, or you behave as if the world owes you something for nothing.

So yes, simple. And if you can stop laughing long enough you might let us know which way you want it?





Or not.

[Brian d marge]

So you might be wrong, but that won’t change your opinion?

Sounds pretty much like what I’ve come to expect from you.



So, that’s the prick eh? The man who sold the world.

Sounds like a right arsehole.

Leme see , now…



Miles out.



I own all of them outright.



Home is freehold.



If you have to categorise “class” in such terms it automatically labels you as someone to whom such things matter. But to humour such as you as far as possible I can tell you that today I advised a board on some technical issues and I cleaned some floors. You can stick those under whatever collar colour class designation makes you feel least threatened.



Not really, no.



No. Has problems with wingers of any flavour, especially those that like to blame every single negative aspect of their lives, real and imagined on an historic national fiscal governance event. Has no problem with daily crap because it pays for my toys. Has voted for both labour and national. Is disappointed in the burgeoning underachiever class consuming more than they earn. Gets annoyed when they bleat about how far behind the Jones’s they are and how unfair it all is.


So, not a good score for someone who claims to know me well enough to claim I’ve ruined NZ. Consistent, though insomuch as it meets your usual criteria for clear facts on which to base an opinion.



Not a question, then. Yet another item in which you know me better than myself, eh? As it happens I do know the drivers behind the rego change. I just wouldn’t be so single-mindedly simplistic as to attribute it to a mythical political enemy. And I certainly wouldn’t attribute it to some policy forced on us by the IMF.




I knew that's where you'd start. High spending socialist governments responsible for high income and subsequent high quality of life? No other possible explanation for the good life, Stephen? I wonder if peaks in our exports to blighty might have coincided with those socialist governments, do you think?

I’m interested where you got that from. WHO, was it? Or one of the other benighted left staggering international social analysts? Whatever, quality of life here is better than it was, which was better that it was... And as I’ve pointed out before, we do far less than our parents did for better return, immeasurably better than our grandparents.

And still, there’s them wot bitch that it’s all too hard.



Let’s just take it that either of us can find “proof” of whatever we want on the net, eh? And stop pretending that some obscure tangential white paper or budget speech demonstrates fuck all, because the only person that finds it relevant is you.

hey give ya credit for answering ,

I had a shot , and if Im miles out about your age then either you well preserved or fkin old for your age .

But it STILL doent change anything due to the tenor of your post on this thread, ( i got it almost right about being a flip flop voter !!haha)

Snip


No. Has problems with wingers of any flavour, especially those that like to blame every single negative aspect of their lives, real and imagined on an historic national fiscal governance event. Has no problem with daily crap because it pays for my toys. Has voted for both labour and national. Is disappointed in the burgeoning underachiever class consuming more than they earn. Gets annoyed when they bleat about how far behind the Jones’s they are and how unfair it all is.

see the above, never thought that some of these "under achievers" may have shit thrust upon them , one of our own KB has had a terrible time due to a wooly bugger that had super powers ... and has told you so on at least one occasion .He also is very vocal against the current "mess" for want of a better word
but then these people dont feature in your cotton ball world

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I knew that's where you'd start. High spending socialist governments responsible for high income and subsequent high quality of life? No other possible explanation for the good life, Stephen? I wonder if peaks in our exports to blighty might have coincided with those socialist governments, do you think?

did I say that , werent there a few conservative government in that time frame? ( a quick google reveals ........................................

The right-leaning National Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_National_Party) and the left-leaning Labour Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Labour_Party) have dominated New Zealand political as life since a Labour government came to power in 1935. During fourteen years in office (1935–1949), the Labour Party implemented a broad array of social and economic legislation, including comprehensive social security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security), a large scale public works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_works) programme, a forty-hour working week, a minimum basic wage, and compulsory unionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union). The National Party won control of the government in 1949 and adopted many welfare measures instituted by the Labour Party. Except for two brief periods of Labour governments in 1957-1960 and 1972–1975, National held power until 1984.

and when did England stop taking out exports ??? coal and wool etc ???

1961 , ( oh gosh more facts from facts are us )

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/overseas-trade-policy/page-4 ( be careful its from the NZ government web site ,,,not to sure on its "truthfulness"

Britain had long been New Zealand’s main supplier of imports, but this was slowly declining – from 48% in the late 1930s, to 43% in 1960, and down to 30% in 1970. This was due partly to the recovery of other economies after the war, and their ability to compete on price and quality with British exporters. But it was also a by-product of Britain’s EEC membership. When Britain entered the EEC all bilateral agreements between New Zealand and Britain had to be terminated. Preferential treatment of British imports into New Zealand ended in 1977.
In 1980 imports from Britain had fallen to 14.5%. In 2007 they were less than 3%. In the late 1930s Britain took more than 80% of New Zealand exports. By 1960 it took 53%, which reduced to 36% in 1970, and 5% in 2007.

So the answer to you rhetorical? question is no.


ACC

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Not a question, then. Yet another item in which you know me better than myself, eh? As it happens I do know the drivers behind the rego change. I just wouldn’t be so single-mindedly simplistic as to attribute it to a mythical political enemy. And I certainly wouldn’t attribute it to some policy forced on us by the IMF.

oh good p'haps you could enlighten me. So it wasn’t a move towards a insurance style scheme and it was definitely short of cash ...?

And which one of the current bunch would be the right choice to lead the country ?

I await with ( and I honestly do ) with baited breath for the answer. ( for both the ACC explanation and a "leader" )

Can you stop using white to color your internet links as I have trouble seeing them on my computer screen , I use blue as its a high contrast color , sorry but if you are providing links , I am having trouble seeing them.

Stephen

[mashman]

Hypocrisy?
I refuse to answer a question which has not relation to the thread, or even the current thread hijack and I'm a hypocrite?
I'm with Bandit on this one.

Yes.
At least you refuse this time, even if your reason makes a you a hypocrite.

[Robert Taylor]

Anyway, largely back on topic. Its a shame the Failure party are not electing Jacinda as leader. It would be their first female leader and we could marvel at that set of choppers she has.

[MisterD]

Are there any mirrors in Japan?

It would appear so...and razor blades.

[Banditbandit]

PD would be a very busy place if every thread that wandered from your preferred topic was consigned there... many a member would have pink eye too.

Off topic ??? I have no objection to wandering off topic .. and I can hijack threads with the best of them ..

But my God this thread is not only off topic is really is just pointless drivel ...

[Brian d marge]

Off topic ??? I have no objection to wandering off topic .. and I can hijack threads with the best of them ..

But my God this thread is not only off topic is really is just pointless drivel ...

Well it is about politics

Jacinda, ,,hmm good point(s)

Stephen

[mashman]

Off topic ??? I have no objection to wandering off topic .. and I can hijack threads with the best of them ..

But my God this thread is not only off topic is really is just pointless drivel ...

:rofl: The moment it hit the board you could pretty much guarantee that the thread would be PD fit. Still, it whiles away a few moments until the revolution and it's always good to see what the competition has to say for themselves :D

[oldrider]

The Labour "leadership" debacle is dying from over exposure already, people are already switching off! (if it sounds too good to be true, it invariably is!)

Everyone else just needs to quietly sit this period out! :yes: .. :zzzz:

[Swoop]

The travelling road show of the "three stooges" is eminently entertaining!

The "must play nicely" with each other and not "slag off the party" rules are entertaining enough. The icing on the cake is the moronic stupidity of the 50/50 rule. Eliminating a person from selection who might be greatly superior for a position because that person is the "wrong" sex? Far out. The liarbour idiocracy appears to know no bounds!

[Banditbandit]

The Labour "leadership" debacle is dying from over exposure already, people are already switching off! (if it sounds too good to be true, it invariably is!)

Everyone else just needs to quietly sit this period out! :yes: .. :zzzz:

'cause only party memebrs get to vote ... so there's no real news now until the make the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT

[mashman]

And tonight's Colmar Bunton results, in response to: how much of the canvassed population are giving a shit about who the next labour leader will be? 18% would.
102% wouldn't.

[oldrider]

'cause only party memebrs get to vote ... so there's no real news now until the make the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT

Must be a multitude of media belong to the party then and why isn't it simply restricted to party members instead of the ineligible to vote who don't give a shit! :mad:

[puddytat]

Democratic distempers, how labours leadership election is unsettling the neoliberal establishment......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/09/02/democratic-distempers-how-labours-leadership-election-is-unsettling-the-neoliberal-establishment/

some of ya's 'll love this:msn-wink:

[carbonhed]

Democratic distempers, how labours leadership election is unsettling the neoliberal establishment......

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/09/02/democratic-distempers-how-labours-leadership-election-is-unsettling-the-neoliberal-establishment/

some of ya's 'll love this:msn-wink:

Chris Trotter? Shaking in my boots... with laughter of course.

Labour and the Greens fighting over the hard left dregs. Awesomeness!

[MisterD]

Labour and the Greens fighting over the hard left dregs. Awesomeness!

Hey, you forgot the [no]Mana "movement"...:corn:

It seems the latest scoring, is Caucus in favour of Robertson, Unions want Cun*liffe and membership are starting to like Jonesey's one-liners.

The aftermath of this is going to be hilarious, whoever wins. I'd like to see Cunners come out on top, just to see Mallard and Hipkins get the knife

[Banditbandit]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/2965_546228025431509_554300048_n.jpg

[carbonhed]

^ So, is "silent T" a doctor, pilot, engineer, journalist or teacher?

[oldrider]

Can't shoot the messenger but if you agree with that shit ..... maybe time to get nervous and edgy! :ar15: ..:sweatdrop.. ...........:lol:

[carbonhed]

Can't shoot the messenger but if you agree with that shit ..... maybe time to get nervous and edgy! :ar15: ..:sweatdrop.. ...........:lol:

Christ mate! They've got the homosexual, the lonely wanker and the prick his own caucus christened "silent T". Have you heard Cun*liffe's speech at the Avondale markets from the last election? Cocks so down with the workers that he fabricates a "bro pasifika" accent. Unbelievable.

[oldrider]

Christ mate! They've got the homosexual, the lonely wanker and the prick his own caucus christened "silent T". Have you heard Cun*liffe's speech at the Avondale markets from the last election? Cocks so down with the workers that he fabricates a "bro pasifika" accent. Unbelievable.

Next there will be "movie version" about it staring Sam Neal and all his super lefty NZ film star mates/matesses! FFS! :facepalm: (sorry its already been done "The three stooges")

[puddytat]

:corn::wait:

[Pussy]

Cuntliffe looks like he is trying to kiss and smoke at the same time....

[oldrider]

All it does for me is show me how willingly Labour is to squander other peoples money to their own end! .... Thieving (extortionist) bastards! :stoogie:

[cowpoos]

Comedy hour is over and mumblefuck is done. Who's next?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9074568/David-Shearer-quits-as-Labour-leader

He was a useless son of a bitch....past experience was on the UN gravey train of dumb people that think they are smart.

Lay-boar is in such a disarray know one knows whos thumb is up whos arse at the moment. Public know it. Alot of people who are left leaning just won't vote this coming election. Cunlife and Robertson...can't match Key in a debate. Shane Jones would easily!! but he won't be the leader because the raninbow labour, feminist and commie union lot will vito him...swing voters will tick Key or not show up at all.

but everyone with a brain knows that...bar a few dumb shits that are tribal.

[cowpoos]

All it does for me is show me how willingly Labour is to squander other peoples money to their own end! .... Thieving (extortionist) bastards! :stoogie:

Hey old fella...been a while...how are you?

[Robert Taylor]

Cuntliffe looks like he is trying to kiss and smoke at the same time....

Yes he certainly is a repulsive individual to look at. And about as smug and scheming as the milky bar kid in Australia.

[Banditbandit]

And speaking of Australia .. have you noticed that when Australia is Right we vote Left and V V ... so now that the left has been kicked out in Autraia can we expect to see a Labour-lead left coalition for Godzone next year ??

[MisterD]

And speaking of Australia .. have you noticed that when Australia is Right we vote Left and V V ... so now that the left has been kicked out in Autraia can we expect to see a Labour-lead left coalition for Godzone next year ??

Not sure it's a left / right thing, but I did see somewhere that the two countries tend to reach a "time for a change" mood at the same time.

Mind you, John Key is our most popular PM ever (especially after this time in Government) and Labor in Aussie were historically unpopular and really should have been turfed last time around.

[Oscar]

And speaking of Australia .. have you noticed that when Australia is Right we vote Left and V V ... so now that the left has been kicked out in Autraia can we expect to see a Labour-lead left coalition for Godzone next year ??

That will require Labour to make the right choice on Sunday (and they haven't been in the habit of picking winners lately).

[SPman]

That will require Labour to make the right choice on Sunday (and they haven't been in the habit of picking winners lately). depends if the old guard in caucus can hijack it again, to put their own, non threatening person in ....
Interesting the slagging off of Cunliffe - people who know him and have worked with him reckon he's savvy, quick on the uptake and actually cares about what he does. If he's being slagged by the media and pollies , that means they are worried....... or scared!


so now that the left has been kicked out in Autraia I wouldn't call Labour australia, left, just as I wouldn't call current Labour NZ left - people have got short memories as to what "left" in politics actually is....normally anything slightly less dire than wherever the "right" is at the time! I like a quote from a local Perth Site...
Sadly it's because people have become very selfish in recent decades. The idea of a 'fair go' in Australia has been replaced with a 'user pays' and 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Paradoxically, people are becoming more mean spirited and hard hearted as their standard of living improves. - applies to NZ as well, I reckon.

[Robert Taylor]

Not sure it's a left / right thing, but I did see somewhere that the two countries tend to reach a "time for a change" mood at the same time.

Mind you, John Key is our most popular PM ever (especially after this time in Government) and Labor in Aussie were historically unpopular and really should have been turfed last time around.

The really sad thing is that Ruddiculous didn't lose his seat, that would have been the icing on the cake for that nasty piece of work.

[Oscar]

depends if the old guard in caucus can hijack it again, to put their own, non threatening person in ....
Interesting the slagging off of Cunliffe - people who know him and have worked with him reckon he's savvy, quick on the uptake and actually cares about what he does. If he's being slagged by the media and pollies , that means they are worried....... or scared!

.

Personally, I think that Key would be more worried about Jones.
Cunnliffe is coming across as an American style blowhard.

[Banditbandit]

Personally, I think that Key would be more worried about Jones.
Cunnliffe is coming across as an American style blowhard.

What ?? Too much competition for the blowhard who learnt his blowhd skills as a wide boy trading on Wall Street ..

[Oscar]

What ?? Too much competition for the blowhard who learnt his blowhd skills as a wide boy trading on Wall Street ..

Did you see Cunliffes campaign launch?
Did you cringe?

[SPman]

The really sad thing is that Ruddiculous didn't lose his seat, that would have been the icing on the cake for that nasty piece of work.

Him and a few others......

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[Robert Taylor]

Personally, I think that Key would be more worried about Jones.
Cunnliffe is coming across as an American style blowhard.

Yes, Jones shouldnt be underestimated. Personally I would walk on broken glass barefoot before I ever voted Labour. And hell would freeze over before I ever warmed to that arrogant and very strange looking person supposedly ahead in the contest. BUT, behind Jones ratbag persona is a VERY sharp brain. I also like the fact he doesnt subscribe to all the PC nonsense now polluting the environment. I rather hope that he gets the leadership because he is straight to the point and will make it all rather entertaining. In real terms I think he resonates rather more with everyday Kiwis sick of all the spin and ''correct'' public image etc etc....

[oldrider]

Liabour "leadership" challenge? .... When they got there, the cupboard was bare and so ends this quest for the "still missing ingredient" ....... leadership! :rofl:

[MisterD]

BUT, behind Jones ratbag persona is a VERY sharp brain.

Unfortunately, he's chronically lazy and likes cracking jokes so much that he becomes the joke. The best thing for Shane (and the country) would be to leave the Labour party, persuade Winston to retire and become the new NZ First leader. 7%+ of the vote, easy.

[Oscar]

Liabour "leadership" challenge? .... When they got there, the cupboard was bare and so ends this quest for the "still missing ingredient" ....... leadership! :rofl:

Not much in the leadership stakes, I agree.

One candidate defined by his sexuality.
One defined by his race.
One by his anonymity.

[Banditbandit]

Not much in the leadership stakes, I agree.

One candidate defined by his sexuality.
One defined by his race.
One by his anonymity.

And a current Prime Minsietr defined by his wide boy trader skills ...

[SPman]

Not much in the leadership stakes, I agree.

One candidate defined by his sexuality.
One defined by his race.
One by his anonymity.

and all three would run a party that represents most New Zealanders far better than the corrupt, thieving, lying, scumbags currently in charge.....

and two of them are further to the left than any Labour PM has been in the last 35 yrs.

[MisterD]

And a current Prime Minsietr defined by his wide boy trader skills ...

Oh come on, the left have been trying to imbed that meme for how many years without success?

The current PM is defined by his ability to come across as an ordinary Kiwi bloke, willingness to answer any question no matter how daft, being "relaxed" about stuff that doesn't go his way and a fear of taking any decision that might risk his popularity.

[Oscar]

And a current Prime Minsietr defined by his wide boy trader skills ...

Maybe at the start.
But if that's all you've got on him, and these three are the best Labour have got - you're gonna be stuck with him for a while.

[MisterD]

and all three would run a party that represents most New Zealanders far better than the corrupt, thieving, lying, scumbags currently in charge.....

I don't think "most New Zealanders" agree with you. The central message of Shane Jones' leadership campaign is that the Labour party has become a factionalised, navel-gazing, bunch of out-of-touch ex-student politicians, academics and poofs who no longer represent or care about the ordinary working person.

[Oscar]

and all three would run a party that represents most New Zealanders far better than the corrupt, thieving, lying, scumbags currently in charge.....

That's pretty funny.
Apart from Jones, which of the Labour MP's do you think represent the common NZer?
The gay ones?
The "never had a proper job in their life academics"?
The quota MP's (on the list due to their race, sexual persuasion or other)?
The Former Unionists?


The Labour Party is so far from average NZer's they are struggling to stay relevant.

[Ocean1]

I don't think "most New Zealanders" agree with you.

Apparently not. But the left are focusing on ther usual empty can tactic and just hoping that ugly democracy thing will all go away.


The central message of Shane Jones' leadership campaign is that the Labour party has become a factionalised, navel-gazing, bunch of out-of-touch ex-student politicians, academics and poofs who no longer represent or care about the ordinary working person....

... what few of us are left... :baby:

[Clockwork]

The really sad thing is that Ruddiculous didn't lose his seat, that would have been the icing on the cake for that nasty piece of work.


The travelling road show of the "three stooges" is eminently entertaining!

The "must play nicely" with each other and not "slag off the party" rules are entertaining enough. The icing on the cake is the moronic stupidity of the 50/50 rule. Eliminating a person from selection who might be greatly superior for a position because that person is the "wrong" sex? Far out. The liarbour idiocracy appears to know no bounds!


Hey, you forgot the [no]Mana "movement"...:corn:

It seems the latest scoring, is Caucus in favour of Robertson, Unions want Cun*liffe and membership are starting to like Jonesey's one-liners.

The aftermath of this is going to be hilarious, whoever wins. I'd like to see Cunners come out on top, just to see Mallard and Hipkins get the knife


Christ mate! They've got the homosexual, the lonely wanker and the prick his own caucus christened "silent T". Have you heard Cun*liffe's speech at the Avondale markets from the last election? Cocks so down with the workers that he fabricates a "bro pasifika" accent. Unbelievable.


Cuntliffe looks like he is trying to kiss and smoke at the same time....


He was a useless son of a bitch....past experience was on the UN gravey train of dumb people that think they are smart.

Lay-boar is in such a disarray know one knows whos thumb is up whos arse at the moment. Public know it. Alot of people who are left leaning just won't vote this coming election. Cunlife and Robertson...can't match Key in a debate. Shane Jones would easily!! but he won't be the leader because the raninbow labour, feminist and commie union lot will vito him...swing voters will tick Key or not show up at all.

but everyone with a brain knows that...bar a few dumb shits that are tribal.


Yes he certainly is a repulsive individual to look at. And about as smug and scheming as the milky bar kid in Australia.


Jeez, why do so many supporters of the political right so frequently resort to the ad hominem. It's tiresome and rather juvenile.

If you're not twisting nouns into insulting or offensive ephithets you're pissing and moaning about how ugly the left wing pollies are

I guess it must be too difficult to attack the policies, eh?




Not sure it's a left / right thing, but I did see somewhere that the two countries tend to reach a "time for a change" mood at the same time.

Mind you, John Key is our most popular PM ever (especially after this time in Government) and Labor in Aussie were historically unpopular and really should have been turfed last time around.


I guess Aussies can afford to be anti labour, they still have a strong unions to protect them, better wages and better pensions. Co-incidence?

[Oscar]

Jeez, why do so many supporters of the political right so frequently resort to the ad hominem. It's tiresome and rather juvenile.



Wow, when did you lose the use of one eye?
The ad hominem is a time honoured tactic from all sides of the debate.

For example, what was being described here?
..the corrupt, thieving, lying, scumbags currently in charge.....

[MisterD]

I guess Aussies can afford to be anti labour, they still have a strong unions to protect them, better wages and better pensions. Co-incidence?

I think you'll find that a major reason for Labor's unpopularity is a growing realisation that Australia's unions are too strong and exist only to feather the nests of the likes of Craig Thomson

[Swoop]

I guess it must be too difficult to attack the policies, eh?
Meh. They are a joke, much like their MP's.

I haven't heard recently, which one of the three stooges has been voted off of Liarbour's not got talent?

[Winston001]

Jeez, why do so many supporters of the political right so frequently resort to the ad hominem. It's tiresome and rather juvenile.

If you're not twisting nouns into insulting or offensive epithets you're pissing and moaning about how ugly the left wing pollies are

I guess it must be too difficult to attack the policies, eh?

Agreed but unfortunately those on the left do exactly the same thing - as Oscar vividly points out above. I find the name calling dispiriting in political blogs but on KB...well it sort of adds to the fun. Just look past the silly stuff.




I guess Aussies can afford to be anti labour, they still have a strong unions to protect them, better wages and better pensions. Co-incidence?

You touch on an interesting point. It is true that Australia enjoys employment structures and protections that disappeared in NZ 20 years ago. But that has not contributed to Australia's wealth. Instead they are indeed a lucky country with vast natural resources which have protected employment and their economy for 30 years.

Right now financial analysts are saying OZ is heading down and has to free up its labour and business laws. Did you know that in Queensland you need a license to open a stationary shop?? Bad luck if there is already one up the street.