False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[mashman]

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

Because if they had to confront the message, they would stray from the safety of the crowd... which would leave them open to "attacks" by people who are exactly the same as themselves. Best be safe and stick with the crowd, they must know better.

[carbonhed]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. Is it banditbandit who laughed when 3000 people died in New York or the flyingcrocofshit who thinks the Holocaust is dwarfed by Israels treatment of the Palestinians? Tough call :corn: but please carry on :laugh:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. Is it banditbandit who laughed when 3000 people died in New York or the flyingcrocofshit who thinks the Holocaust is dwarfed by Israels treatment of the Palestinians? Tough call :corn: but please carry on :laugh:

Wipe yer chin, then have another go at reading my statement re Palestinians and jews to see if you can find any honesty in your misrepresentation of
"crimes committed by Israel that are every bit as bad as those said to be committed upon jews during WWII" . It may be a struggle and could possibly be entirely new ground for you, so be sure to take your time and try really hard. After all, it's not a cock, so you wouldn't want to blow it. :bleh:

[pzkpfw]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. ....

You've seen nothing until you've seen the "the Moon landings were faked" people arguing with the "we landed on the Moon but met aliens who told us to go away" people.


The tin foil fair self combusts.

[jonbuoy]

You are still focusing on the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message. Are you looking to hook up or something?

Lets talk about your belief that initiating polls and setting up a blog is a better way to go. What makes you think that will make more of a difference and what experience/evidence are you relying on to support your contention?

No I don´t think a blog or polls is the way to go - where did I suggest that? I suggested writing directly to someone who DOES have influence or donating to a charity that is on the ground in Syria trying to help.

I´not dismissing any evidence - the fact is there isn´t enough evidence to say 100% who is behind the neurotoxin attacks in Syria.

[flyingcrocodile46]

No I don´t think a blog or polls is the way to go - where did I suggest that? I suggested writing directly to someone who DOES have influence or donating to a charity that is on the ground in Syria trying to help.

I´not dismissing any evidence - the fact is there isn´t enough evidence to say 100% who is behind the neurotoxin attacks in Syria.I don't disagree

[Banditbandit]

1. When first considering that rag heads had been said to be responsible (after shrugging off the absurdity of the notion that a bunch of camel humping tent people could actually execute such a precisely co-ordinated attack)

You are fucking kidding me !!! The people on the planes that hit the World Trade Centre were not camel hunmling tent people - they had enough education to get accepted into a flight school in the USA .. plus more ...

The leader, Egyptian Mohammed Atta, graduated from Cairo University and continued post graduate studies at the Goethe Institute in Cairo and then the Hamburg Harborg techical University.

Marwan al-Shehhi was also educated in Germany, at the University of Bonn, amongst others

Ziad Jarrah studied studying aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg

Abdulaziz al Omari held a degree from the Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud Islamic University in Saudi Arabia

Hani Hanjour studied in America and gained huis pilots licence in Arizona in 1999.

And on and on .. so .. not the camel humping tent dwelling ones you think - in fact members of the the educated middle clases bombed the world trade centre


I was routinely engaging in flame wars with redneck fuckwits from the States who had no idea how richly they deserved to be victims of such an attack. A lot of them hated me with a passion equal to the rag heads, but over years (yes I have been sticking it to Rednecks for a long time)

Bwhahahaha .. you're involved in an international internet-based talk fest ???? Why don't you become a politician - you're already a parasite ...




3. Clearly you have no idea what constitutes action or how different types of action can achieve results. That is an education thing that you need to work through yourself, as I don't wish to hold the class back to suit the limited skills of the 'challenged' members. Anyway, if I didn't "wank all over my keyboard", there wouldn't be anything appropriate for you to get your nose sticky with.:yes:

Self-justification ... just bullshit ...


4. Around half of the rebels aren't Syrian and they are financed (ie wages paid and weapons supplied by other countries). Read the fucking papers and get yourself a clue. Even the mainstream media aren't completely hiding that well established fact.

5. You obviously read with your emotions (and imagination) rather than your eyeballs and brain. Where have I advocated that anyone should intervene in Syria? I have been advocating the exact opposite... i.e That includes all the insurgents, terrorists and mercenaries from and financed by other interfering countries (Which is exactly the problem that I am 'wanking on about').


You misunderstand the implications - for some of these people Islam is held higher than country - so fighting for Islam in a foreign country is completely accepted - look how many foreigners fought in Cechnya ... 's not me who needs educating ... and I did not say that was a good thing or a bad thing - I stay out of this one ..





6. Calm the fuck down and engage your brain before your mouth. :facepalm:

Oh yeah!

O yeah .. you really stuck it to me there :killingme:


7. 911 was a false flag attack that killed over 3000 Americans in order to cover the loss through miss management and theft of hundreds of billions of tax payer money, the murder of investigators and the destruction of investigation records which and who had recently been relocated to the towers and were also located within the destroyed wing of the pentagon.... etc.

Yeah right .. with the collusion of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda ... (I'm sure Bin Laden volunteered to be an internatinal fugitive and to eventually die in a Pakistani house, assassinated by US soldiers) ... hypnosis of all the people who saw the planes hit the towerrs (not on TV but live) ...


Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

Naaa .. I'm not attacking the messenger - just the bullshit message ..


I don't post only here. I post on US forums and community groups in an attempt to get people to look into and think about some of the more worrisome things I can see happening. Whilst I do see some pretty positive results (in respect to increased numbers of people more openly discussing, looking into things further themselves and expanding their concerns by talking about the subject with co-workers) I am a realist and know that the difference I might make is likely only .001% of 5/8 of fuck all. But if 165,000 people do the same it makes more than fuck all difference. Therefore I must be doing more than nothing :msn-wink:

Yeah yeah .. I get it .. I am involved in a wider discussion .. but what else? Discussion becomes just a talk fest (and a self-justifyin one at that) unless it is backed by ACTION ..

You do understand the therory-action = Praxis relationshiop don't you ??


BTW.. you are being assimilated [/IMG]

That one nearly made me choke on my coffee ... where did that come from ???

[Banditbandit]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. Is it banditbandit who laughed when 3000 people died in New York or the flyingcrocofshit who thinks the Holocaust is dwarfed by Israels treatment of the Palestinians? Tough call :corn: but please carry on :laugh:


Naaa ... you got me wrong there ... I didn't laugh over the deaths ... deaths of people are always bad ...


I was impressed by the power and effectiveness fo the attack on the WTC ...

[Katman]

You are so full of shit ... It was not too scarey to confront ... It was fucking spectacular .. to be honest ??? When I saw these planes hit the world trade centre I thought "good shit - do it again ..."


Naaa ... you got me wrong there ... I didn't laugh over the deaths ... deaths of people are always bad ...


You sound confused.

[Banditbandit]

You sound confused.

I'm not confused at all ... you are trying to read into my words things that are not there ...

[mashman]

No I don´t think a blog or polls is the way to go - where did I suggest that? I suggested writing directly to someone who DOES have influence or donating to a charity that is on the ground in Syria trying to help.

I´not dismissing any evidence - the fact is there isn´t enough evidence to say 100% who is behind the neurotoxin attacks in Syria.

Well it looks like my letter to Putin worked... praps I should send one to obama next time <_<

[Banditbandit]

Well it looks like my letter to Putin worked... praps I should send one to obama next time <_<

You write to politicians ??? :facepalm:

Say the Hail Mary 15 times ... the Pray for the Dead 11 times, wash your hands in carbolic soap .. and donate $500 to your local orphans fund ...

Do all that every week for the next three months - and you might be redeemed ...

[oldrider]

The United Nations is the most useless organisation in the world .... only thing it is any good for is the continued advancement of socialism! :doh:

[Banditbandit]

The United Nations is the most useless organisation in the world .... only thing it is any good for is the continued advancement of socialism! :doh:

:killingme: Has socialism been advancing ??? Fuck .. I nevr noticed ..

[mashman]

You write to politicians ??? :facepalm:

Say the Hail Mary 15 times ... the Pray for the Dead 11 times, wash your hands in carbolic soap .. and donate $500 to your local orphans fund ...

Do all that every week for the next three months - and you might be redeemed ...

I did. Every last one of them in the country. I got 1 reply. Wrote to the queen too and never heard a thing. Pathetic considering I pay their wages.

I'm already redeemed... just offering them a chance to do the same, although I might have better luck with the male hairy thing and praying for the corporates, I mean dead.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not confused at all ... you are trying to read into my words things that are not there ...

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a fucking moron. :lol:

I can't be arsed debating anything with brain dead circle jerking PKB'ing self pwning fuckwits. You are dismissed.

[carbonhed]

1. When first considering that rag heads had been said to be responsible (after shrugging off the absurdity of the notion that a bunch of camel humping tent people could actually execute such a precisely co-ordinated attack) I

Bandit's called you on this particularly racist and stupid falsehood... so please don't fuckoff until you've explained which orifice you plucked it from.

I've got this kind of horrified fascination to see which particular parallel dimension you have to trawl in order to make it all allright.

[Woodman]

Bandit's called you on this particularly racist and stupid falsehood... so please don't fuckoff until you've explained which orifice you plucked it from.

I've got this kind of horrified fascination to see which particular parallel dimension you have to trawl in order to make it all allright.

Its not racism, he has a superiority complex.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Bandit's called you on this particularly racist and stupid falsehood... so please don't fuckoff until you've explained which orifice you plucked it from.

I've got this kind of horrified fascination to see which particular parallel dimension you have to trawl in order to make it all allright.

I'd rather you watch through some 911 documentaries and find the answers to that and many many many more interesting facts around 911. I am not playing skittles with anyone. Find your own entertainment and answers. If you don't like the messages I put out, HDTFU, suck in your bottom lip or what ever else is hanging out and jog on.

[carbonhed]

I'd rather you watch through some 911 documentaries and find the answers to that and many many many more interesting facts around 911. I am not playing skittles with anyone. Find your own entertainment and answers. If you don't like the messages I put out, HDTFU, suck in your bottom lip or what ever else is hanging out and jog on.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Guess the manic phase is winding down?

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

[Oscar]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Guess the manic phase is winding down?

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

That will be as the result of another conspiracy.
The controlled demolition of WTC7 caused a crack in the space time continum, which made it seem like those missiles were coming from Assad's troops.
In the meantime, the actual chemical attack was carried out by Jewish suicide bankers from the IMF passing out contaminated money.

[Gianz]

That will be as the result of another conspiracy.
The controlled demolition of WTC7 caused a crack in the space time continum, which made it seem like those missiles were coming from Assad's troops.
In the meantime, the actual chemical attack was carried out by Jewish suicide bankers from the IMF passing out contaminated money.

of course, the NYtimes said it! :facepalm:

[mashman]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Guess the manic phase is winding down?

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

Damn they're getting good at forensics... especially when you consider that Assad was supposed to have shelled the area for a further 2 days following the gas attack... even more impressive given that he would have known where the gas attack had hit and woulda been pummeling the area to hide his crime.

[carbonhed]

of course, the NYtimes said it! :facepalm:

Nope. The UN and Human Rights Watch said it... the NY Times reported it. As have many other news sources around the world.

[gwigs]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Guess the manic phase is winding down?

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

“This isn’t conclusive,” Mr. Lyons added. “But it is highly suggestive.”
Did you read it carefully ?

[carbonhed]

“This isn’t conclusive,” Mr. Lyons added. “But it is highly suggestive.”
Did you read it carefully ?

Yes I did. I also read the first post again. One side of this argument is uncertain but leaning towards Assad's forces being responsible the other side is certain that America is Satan... and therefore they must be to blame... somehow. The latter group are tools... not of any particular faction... just the common "all garden" variety.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

Guess the manic phase is winding down?

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp


“This isn’t conclusive,” Mr. Lyons added. “But it is highly suggestive.”

"we have incontrovertible proof that Sadam has weapons of mass destruction" Do you remember that? :lol:

Nobody knows for a fact who used them. Back in May (around the 5th) the UN said the they found evidence that rebels used chemical weapons and Turkish troops caught Syrian rebels with containers of sarin at or around the 30th of May.

If you want to believe Assad used chemical weapons based on questionable and inconclusive data and given the proven history of lies around these matters, you are free to do so. You can believe in god as well if you want to, but it doesn't make your belief a truth.

Given the dearth of lies coming from the mouths of politicians and how frequently they are proven to be outright liars, it never ceases to amaze me how mindless sheep continue to suck up their lies like they are gospel. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

[gwigs]

Yes I did. I also read the first post again. One side of this argument is uncertain but leaning towards Assad's forces being responsible the other side is certain that America is Satan... and therefore they must be to blame... somehow. The latter group are tools... not of any particular faction... just the common "all garden" variety.

What kind of Tools...spanners, sockets, hammers, Lie detectors.....?

[Oscar]

Damn they're getting good at forensics... especially when you consider that Assad was supposed to have shelled the area for a further 2 days following the gas attack... even more impressive given that he would have known where the gas attack had hit and woulda been pummeling the area to hide his crime.

They're obviously brighter than you, but that ain't saying much.

[Oscar]

based on questionable and inconclusive data

I'll bet you don't realise how funny that is:lol:

[gwigs]

I'll bet you don't realise how funny that is:lol:

Bet you don,t know how funny your reply is....:nya:

[Oscar]

Bet you don,t know how funny your reply is....:nya:

Why, because I used correct punctuation?
Or are you resorting to the "I know I am, but what are you?" argument?

[gwigs]

Why, because I used correct punctuation?
Or are you resorting to the "I know I am, but what are you?" argument?

Your posts always make me laugh...Have a nice day....

[Oscar]

Your posts always make me laugh...Have a nice day....

You seem confused about the rep button.

[gwigs]

You seem confused about the rep button.

Oh yeah jump on my mistake ..oh fuck it I.ll just post it I actually meant I disagree with you think you are a Tosser
There happy now,:tugger: Tosser....

[Woodman]

I'll bet you don't realise how funny that is:lol:

Don't think he realises the irony.

Evidence from conspiracy theorists for conspiracy theorists.

Funny as fuck

[mashman]

They're obviously brighter than you, but that ain't saying much.

:yawn: so I'll take that as the inability for you to refute the point I was making. Oh dear.

[Oscar]

:yawn: so I'll take that as the inability for you to refute the point I was making. Oh dear.

You were making a point?
It appeared to be supposition followed by speculation.

[mashman]

You were making a point?
It appeared to be supposition followed by speculation.

Maybe I should take up writing for the NY Times.

[Oscar]

Oh yeah jump on my mistake ..oh fuck it I.ll just post it I actually meant I disagree with you think you are a Tosser
There happy now,:tugger: Tosser....

And to be fair, it did make me laugh.
I almost green repped you for it, but it's quite a difficult process.
You have to choose between two options after all...tricky....:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Oscar]

Maybe I should take up writing for the NY Times.

I suppose you could try, but they kinda have this rule that you should at least appear to make sense.
Plus, how would they pay you?

[carbonhed]

Dude! You is back playing skittles! You little fibber you.




1. When first considering that rag heads had been said to be responsible (after shrugging off the absurdity of the notion that a bunch of camel humping tent people could actually execute such a precisely co-ordinated attack)


Did you sort this vile bit of racism out and I missed your post!?!?!!! It would be a shame to leave it blighting your reputation.

You treat the fact that people sometimes lie and, heaven forbid, have suspect motives as though you've been bitch slapped with a Scud missile. Everybody else got it a long time ago... because they have that ability too.

So are you saying that you're NOT certain that the rebels did the deed? That's not the impression you gave me from your first post. Mind you... now that the US hasn't attacked and the UK hasn't assisted them I suppose it's inevitable that you must reconsider your entire story.

[carbonhed]

Here's the link to the Human Rights Watch article on the Damascus attack.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/17/dispatches-mapping-sarin-flight-path

I assumed that these folks were outside the usual political channels but I realise they're not of the calibre of the Ronnie Corbett News Report or "Really angry Barbie". Hell maybe they're even Mossad stooges.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm really not sure what all the sheep are bleating about so enthusiastically. The actual outcome was equal to or more than I could have hoped for. The missile attack on Syria has stalled. I guess that means that millions of people who 'like me' either had the desired impact or simply backed the right horse as far as desired outcomes.

I'm a happy man.:yes: though looking around I guess some of the sad folk who didn't like being told that Syria shouldn't be attacked, are pretty pissed, because they sure are crying up a storm trying to get a re-count. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

Sorry fella's. This round is over and the good guys won again. :lol:

[mashman]

I suppose you could try, but they kinda have this rule that you should at least appear to make sense.
Plus, how would they pay you?

Perhaps they should start following their own rules.
With money.

[Katman]

Mind you... now that the US hasn't attacked and the UK hasn't assisted them I suppose it's inevitable that you must reconsider your entire story.

John Kerry's probably pissing blood.

[carbonhed]

I'm really not sure what all the sheep are bleating about so enthusiastically. The actual outcome was equal to or more than I could have hoped for. The missile attack on Syria has stalled. I guess that means that millions of people who 'like me' either had the desired impact or simply backed the right horse as far as desired outcomes.

I'm a happy man.:yes: though looking around I guess some of the sad folk who didn't like being told that Syria shouldn't be attacked, are pretty pissed, because they sure are crying up a storm trying to get a re-count. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

Sorry fella's. This round is over and the good guys won again. :lol:

That's wonderful. Even when you get everything utterly wrong... in your own little mind you're still a winner :clap:

[pzkpfw]

Maybe the threat of missile strikes was what helped get the joint Russian-American action going?

After all, it's not like the Russians were doing much about the chemical weapons before then.

It seems very simplistic to assume the current result was just a back down.

What will make the Syrian government comply? Without the threat of strikes ... what do they have to "encourage" giving up the chemical weapons?

[Oscar]

Maybe the threat of missile strikes was what helped get the joint Russian-American action going?

After all, it's not like the Russians were doing much about the chemical weapons before then.

It seems very simplistic to assume the current result was just a back down.

What will make the Syrian government comply? Without the threat of strikes ... what do they have to "encourage" giving up the chemical weapons?

They never officially admitted to having the things until now.

[mashman]

Maybe the threat of missile strikes was what helped get the joint Russian-American action going?

After all, it's not like the Russians were doing much about the chemical weapons before then.

It seems very simplistic to assume the current result was just a back down.

What will make the Syrian government comply? Without the threat of strikes ... what do they have to "encourage" giving up the chemical weapons?

Very true. I do wonder if it's going to be a case of history repeating though. Read a few "reports" recently of Iraq wanting to have peace talks with the US, to the point where he said that they'd have elections and allow access for inspectors to check for weapons. The US said no and went hard. Maybe that'll be a deterrent for Assad. I hope so.

[Oscar]

I'm really not sure what all the sheep are bleating about so enthusiastically. The actual outcome was equal to or more than I could have hoped for. The missile attack on Syria has stalled. I guess that means that millions of people who 'like me' either had the desired impact or simply backed the right horse as far as desired outcomes.

I'm a happy man.:yes: though looking around I guess some of the sad folk who didn't like being told that Syria shouldn't be attacked, are pretty pissed, because they sure are crying up a storm trying to get a re-count. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

Sorry fella's. This round is over and the good guys won again. :lol:

So, apart from the fact that you were completely wrong, you're happy?

In the meantime Syrians are still dying.
However the threat of force from the US means that they won't be dying from chemical weapons attacks.

[Banditbandit]

I'm really not sure what all the sheep are bleating about so enthusiastically. The actual outcome was equal to or more than I could have hoped for. The missile attack on Syria has stalled. I guess that means that millions of people who 'like me' either had the desired impact or simply backed the right horse as far as desired outcomes.

I'm a happy man.:yes: though looking around I guess some of the sad folk who didn't like being told that Syria shouldn't be attacked, are pretty pissed, because they sure are crying up a storm trying to get a re-count. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

Sorry fella's. This round is over and the good guys won again. :lol:

Jeez Wayne - I went back and read all of your posts .. and yes, you are right ... I thought you wanted someone to step in and stop Al-Assad .. but you don't ...

So basically, you're saying Governments are lying to us and we should stay out of Syria .. but please notice that Governments are lying to us ...

I'm saying it's a complete clusterfuck and we should stay out of Syria ... (PS - I accept Governments lie to us - I just do not accept the consiracy theories surrounding 9/11)

21 pages of this thread in which you argue that we should do nothing, but be aware of Governmetns lying to us ???

What a complete waste of space ...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Jeez Wayne - I went back and read all of your posts .. and yes, you are right ... I thought you wanted someone to step in and stop Al-Assad .. but you don't ...

So basically, you're saying Governments are lying to us and we should stay out of Syria .. but please notice that Governments are lying to us ...

I'm saying it's a complete clusterfuck and we should stay out of Syria ... (PS - I accept Governments lie to us - I just do not accept the consiracy theories surrounding 9/11)

21 pages of this thread in which you argue that we should do nothing, but be aware of Governmetns lying to us ???

What a complete waste of space ... Small correction. I wasn't advocating that the world should 'do nothing' so much as 'shouldn't do the wrong thing'. As the wrong thing has been avoided thus far (which goes against historical trends), It is a good outcome. If 100,000 threads like this existed and promoted awareness all around the world (as mentioned before, I have duplicate threads in international forums) and that awareness led politicians to be aware that some of the the little people object (which on the international stage appears to have occurred) then as an exercise it is hardly a waste of space. Learning more about international events and their impact is hardly a waste of space. However, ignorant people are.

[Katman]

So, apart from the fact that you were completely wrong, you're happy?

In the meantime Syrians are still dying.
However the threat of force from the US means that they won't be dying from chemical weapons attacks.

You make it sound like it was the Syrians that backed down.

It was America that backed down due to lack of international support.

[Oscar]

You make it sound like it was the Syrians that backed down.

It was America that backed down due to lack of international support.

As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Syria had never admitted to having these things in the first place, and now they're giving them up.
That's a backdown in my book.

The US backed down in the face of good sense from Russia.
The PM in the UK was humilated.
The French PM was pissed off.

[carbonhed]

Small correction. I wasn't advocating that the world should 'do nothing' so much as 'shouldn't do the wrong thing'. As the wrong thing has been avoided thus far (which goes against historical trends), It is a good outcome.

So what was the "right thing" again? That trick where the nations of the world fold their arms, turn their backs and look disapproving until the combatants run out of bullets... is that the one?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So what was the "right thing" again? That trick where the nations of the world fold their arms, turn their backs and look disapproving until the combatants run out of bullets... is that the one?

I was going to say something half way intelligent, then I realised you wouldn't understand.

[carbonhed]

I was going to say something half way intelligent, then I realised you wouldn't understand.

:laugh: You'd have to raise your game to reach those dizzy heights... but I certainly struggle with half retarded.

[flyingcrocodile46]

:laugh: You'd have to raise your game to reach those dizzy heights... but I certainly struggle with half retarded.

I guess to people who "struggle with half retarded" 'half way intelligent' might well appear as "dizzy heights"

People's careless use of words can provide valuable insight into understanding the comprehension problems they have when they read the words of others. Carry on :bleh:

[carbonhed]

I guess to people who "struggle with half retarded" 'half way intelligent' might well appear as "dizzy heights"

People's careless use of words can provide valuable insight into understanding the comprehension problems they have when they read the words of others. Carry on :bleh:

:laugh: Yeah! Those priceless moments when the mask slips and the truth peeks out.

[Oscar]

I was going to say something half way intelligent,

That would be a 100% improvement.

[Katman]

General Wesley Clark back in 2007....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ha1rEhovONU#t=351

[Katman]

America's insecurity is starting to look desperate.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fO4anVwd

[flyingcrocodile46]

General Wesley Clark back in 2007....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ha1rEhovONU#t=351

:lol::lol::lol: I wonder if we will see a queue of frightened deniers lining up to shout out their No You's angrily (to mask their fear) or whether they will just close their eyes and slink off pretending they haven't seen it
.
Must spread yada yada

[flyingcrocodile46]

America's insecurity is starting to look desperate.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fO4anVwd

Again, the "tin foil hat brigade" were ridiculed since this exact scenario was put forward back in 2009/10 (and repeatedly since).

It seems we are living in times in which more conspiracy theories than ever are being proven to hold more truth than the govt & media put together. The age of the revelation of 'Conspiracy Fact' is upon us.

My god! What will all the nay sayers do?...... Oh that's right.. Denial.



Dissenters and 911 conspiracy supporters re-imaged as terrorists.

Well! we were told it was coming, now its official. This is how you snuff out truth and free speech in society.

If you actively support Al qeda (or any of the other militant muslim rebels) in Syria Where do you sit in respect to the first attitude indicator? Pffffffffffffffffft The openness of the US govt hypocrisy and lies is simply staggering (& the UK is nipping at their heels). It can't be long before they completely disconnect from the sheep and herd them all to the work camps.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/flyingcrocodile46/Screenshot_from_2013-09-19_00_51_04.jpg


BTW 911 was a false flag attack perpetrated by the shadow govt and its lacky spy agencies in order to hide Trillions of dollars of unaccounted taxpayer dollars stolen by the MIC and to provide an igniter to gain the support of US citizens in a drive to overthrow middle east regimes who have/had refused to accept U$ as payment for oil. Conspiracy FACT

[carbonhed]

Conspiracy FACT

Ah the joys of freedom of speech!

Wipe your chin you fucking goober.

[Oscar]

BTW 911 was a false flag attack perpetrated by the shadow govt and its lacky spy agencies in order to hide Trillions of dollars of unaccounted taxpayer dollars stolen by the MIC and to provide an igniter to gain the support of US citizens in a drive to overthrow middle east regimes who have/had refused to accept U$ as payment for oil. Conspiracy FACT

Wow, you have the motivation down pat, don't you?

A pity you have absolutely nothing else concrete.

No "smoking gun".
Just a bunch of rumours and half truths.

The stupidity of the 911 Conspiracy Theorists is unbelievable.
Just for example - why blow the buildings up, AFTER flying a coupla planes into them?
Why not just blow them up and blame it on AQ?
Not hard to do, I would think.

Notwithstanding that, you're asking us to believe that several tons of explosives and miles of cable were secreted in buildings where 10,000 people worked and no one noticed.
But wait - the buildings started collapsing two thirds of the way up, right where the planes hit (what a surprise), so did that mean that the suicide pilots were incredibly accurate and managed to fly into the correct floor (i.e. the one with explosives in) at 800km/h? OR did someone carry several tons of dynamite up after the plane crash?

A couple of simple questions, which you won't answer coz all you're going to do is call me a sheep and direct me to some You Tube of another nutter with no evidence.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Wow, you have the motivation down pat, don't you?

A pity you have absolutely nothing else concrete.

No "smoking gun".
Just a bunch of rumours and half truths.

The stupidity of the 911 Conspiracy Theorists is unbelievable.
Just for example - why blow the buildings up, AFTER flying a coupla planes into them?
Why not just blow them up and blame it on AQ?
Not hard to do, I would think.

Notwithstanding that, you're asking us to believe that several tons of explosives and miles of cable were secreted in buildings where 10,000 people worked and no one noticed.
But wait - the buildings started collapsing two thirds of the way up, right where the planes hit (what a surprise), so did that mean that the suicide pilots were incredibly accurate and managed to fly into the correct floor (i.e. the one with explosives in) at 800km/h? OR did someone carry several tons of dynamite up after the plane crash?

A couple of simple questions, which you won't answer coz all you're going to do is call me a sheep and direct me to some You Tube of another nutter with no evidence.

Actually there is a lot of evidence in most of the Youtube documentaries out there. But the funny thing about evidence is that you must be prepared to engage your brain in order to recognise it. The fact that you can't seem to acknowledge the evidence that is there, pretty much demonstrates that you just aren't capable of ever understanding what happened or why, because you are either incapable of/or unwilling to look at undesirable data objectively.

Much of the referenced evidence and facts are either public record or scientifically verifiable, and only requires that you do a little of your own leg work to verify it (rather than asking a third party to do it for you so you can accuse them of making it up:rolleyes:). Frankly, if you haven't got the ability to do that by yourself, you aren't worth the effort to help.

If I thought for a minute that you:
A. Would read it &
B. Could read it &
C. Could understand it &
D. Could appraise it objectively,
I would show you a 59 page document composed from research carried out by a number of parties including the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence), FBI, CIA, SEC and many others, which provides a great deal of insight and a *daunting* amount of verifiable evidence as to why it was done. But frankly it is way too fucking scary and complicated and I know that your only interest in the subject is to discredit it, so that won't be happening any time soon.

I say "daunting" because of the huge amount of work required to verify all of it. Of course it isn't daunting to a denier as deniers don't verify, they just deny.

Have you stopped to wonder why you are so determined to deny any possibility that the 911 event was a false flag attack? If you think about it, you will realise that there can only be one logical reason for you to invest the effort rather than simply ignoring it............... It scares the shit out of you so much that simply ignoring it, isn't enough to make the tremors go away. :cool:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Ah the joys of freedom of speech!

Wipe your chin you fucking goober.

I'm guessing you jizzed on your keyboard as you typed that :yes:

[Woodman]

Actually there is a lot of evidence in most of the Youtube documentaries out there. But the funny thing about evidence is that you must be prepared to engage your brain in order to recognise it. The fact that you can't seem to acknowledge the evidence that is there, pretty much demonstrates that you just aren't capable of ever understanding what happened or why, because you are either incapable of/or unwilling to look at undesirable data objectively.

Much of the referenced evidence and facts are either public record or scientifically verifiable, and only requires that you do a little of your own leg work to verify it (rather than asking a third party to do it for you so you can accuse them of making it up:rolleyes:). Frankly, if you haven't got the ability to do that by yourself, you aren't worth the effort to help.

If I thought for a minute that you:
A. Would read it &
B. Could read it &
C. Could understand it &
D. Could appraise it objectively,
I would show you a 59 page document composed from research carried out by a number of parties including the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence), FBI, CIA, SEC and many others, which provides a great deal of insight and a *daunting* amount of verifiable evidence as to why it was done. But frankly it is way too fucking scary and complicated and I know that you're only interest in the subject is to discredit it, so that won't be happening any time soon.

I say "daunting" because of the huge amount of work required to verify all of it. Of course it isn't daunting to a denier as deniers don't verify, they just deny.

Have you stopped to wonder why you are so determined to deny any possibility that the 911 event was a false flag attack? If you think about it, you will realise that there can only be one logical reason for you to invest the effort rather than simply ignoring it............... It scares the shit out of you so much that simply ignoring it, isn't enough to make the tremors go away. :cool:

A 59 page document by all those 3 letter departments? Wow thats a lot of pages, 59 whole pages full of words? ,really? wow so many pages so many words aye.

[flyingcrocodile46]

A 59 page document by all those 3 letter departments? Wow thats a lot of pages, 59 whole pages full of words? ,really? wow so many pages so many words aye.


Perhaps you could manage a 36 second video.

2.3 Trillion lost by Penatgon in 1999 another 1.2 Trillion lost in 2000. Rumsfield made this delivery where he announced an investigation into it (the day before 911)..... though in reality the ONI had already carried out the investigation and had the evidence, but they were all killed in the pentagon attack and the external evidence storage locations in the two towers, buildings 6 & 7 were also destroyed.

Here's the smallest possible bite for little mouths to chew on. Yes the video quality is crap, but there are many much longer ones with better quality footage out there. You can either do your own research for more or you can ask a 911 truther really nicely and they might help those of you who are too handicapped to do it themselves.




http://youtu.be/IVpSBUgbxBU

[Katman]

Notwithstanding that, you're asking us to believe that several tons of explosives and miles of cable were secreted in buildings where 10,000 people worked and no one noticed.


Remember the extensive elevator refurbishment that took place in the weeks leading up to 9/11?

Ever heard of wireless detonators?

[Oscar]

Actually there is a lot of evidence in most of the Youtube documentaries out there. But the funny thing about evidence is that you must be prepared to engage your brain in order to recognise it. The fact that you can't seem to acknowledge the evidence that is there, pretty much demonstrates that you just aren't capable of ever understanding what happened or why, because you are either incapable of/or unwilling to look at undesirable data objectively.

Much of the referenced evidence and facts are either public record or scientifically verifiable, and only requires that you do a little of your own leg work to verify it (rather than asking a third party to do it for you so you can accuse them of making it up:rolleyes:). Frankly, if you haven't got the ability to do that by yourself, you aren't worth the effort to help.

If I thought for a minute that you:
A. Would read it &
B. Could read it &
C. Could understand it &
D. Could appraise it objectively,
I would show you a 59 page document composed from research carried out by a number of parties including the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence), FBI, CIA, SEC and many others, which provides a great deal of insight and a *daunting* amount of verifiable evidence as to why it was done. But frankly it is way too fucking scary and complicated and I know that your only interest in the subject is to discredit it, so that won't be happening any time soon.

I say "daunting" because of the huge amount of work required to verify all of it. Of course it isn't daunting to a denier as deniers don't verify, they just deny.

Have you stopped to wonder why you are so determined to deny any possibility that the 911 event was a false flag attack? If you think about it, you will realise that there can only be one logical reason for you to invest the effort rather than simply ignoring it............... It scares the shit out of you so much that simply ignoring it, isn't enough to make the tremors go away. :cool:

That's a hell of a lot of words to say: "I got nothing".
When you say "insight", you actually mean "innuendo", because the best you've got is the DOD having budget problems.
I've looked at any number of web pages and I have still yet see anything that could be described as a smoking gun.

[flyingcrocodile46]

That's a hell of a lot of words to say: "I got nothing".
When you say "insight", you actually mean "innuendo", because the best you've got is the DOD having budget problems.
I've looked at any number of web pages and I have still yet see anything that could be described as a smoking gun.


"I got nothing" is your quote, not mine. This is the problem with idiots and deniers. You just aren't capable of processing data without deliberately distorting or ignoring 99% of it, as you illustrated with your statement "the best you've got is the DOD having budget problems" :facepalm: You have disconnected your eyes from your brain so you can not see. Pussy.

You wouldn't recognise a smoking gun if it was lying in a pool of blood next to a corpse.

I haven't the time or inclination to waste any more effort on the brain dead. You are dismissed.

[Woodman]

"I got nothing" is your quote, not mine. This is the problem with idiots and deniers. You just aren't capable of processing data without deliberately distorting or ignoring 99% of it, as you illustrated with your statement "the best you've got is the DOD having budget problems" :facepalm: You have disconnected your eyes from your brain so you can not see. Pussy.

You wouldn't recognise a smoking gun if it was lying in a pool of blood next to a corpse.

I haven't the time or inclination to waste any more effort on the brain dead. You are dismissed.

Mate the evidence you come up with on giggle tv and other such one eyed forums is completely one sided and you accuse us sheep of ignoring evidence.

Show us a balanced view and we may, just may begin to take you seriously.

[Oscar]

"I got nothing" is your quote, not mine. This is the problem with idiots and deniers. You just aren't capable of processing data without deliberately distorting or ignoring 99% of it, as you illustrated with your statement "the best you've got is the DOD having budget problems" :facepalm: You have disconnected your eyes from your brain so you can not see. Pussy.

You wouldn't recognise a smoking gun if it was lying in a pool of blood next to a corpse.

I haven't the time or inclination to waste any more effort on the brain dead. You are dismissed.

Thank you for proving my point.
You have nothing.

[mashman]

Thank you for proving my point.
You have nothing.

Interesting stand point given that throughout the entire thread the only link you have used to back up your position was to Monty Pythons "What have the Romans ever done for us" sketch.

[Oscar]

Interesting stand point given that throughout the entire thread the only link you have used to back up your position was to Monty Pythons "What have the Romans ever done for us" sketch.

Typically, you get things arse about face.
I'm not the one pushing the conspiracy theory, so why would I post anything?
Since there is no actual facts presented how/why would I bother to refute them?

All I'm asking is that one of these tin foil hat idiots post one piece of evidence.
Evidence, mind you - not interesting coincidences (elevator maintenance) or innuendo (DOD budget blowout).
Or maybe - just explain how and why you would put together a event that involved planes crashing into buildings that were later demolished, so that Bush could start a war that he could almost certainly justify before 9/11?

Occam's Razor, baby.

[mashman]

Typically, you get things arse about face.
I'm not the one pushing the conspiracy theory, so why would I post anything?
Since there is no actual facts presented how/why would I bother to refute them?

All I'm asking is that one of these tin foil hat idiots post one piece of evidence.
Evidence, mind you - not interesting coincidences (elevator maintenance) or innuendo (DOD budget blowout).
Or maybe - just explain how and why you would put together a event that involved planes crashing into buildings that were later demolished, so that Bush could start a war that he could almost certainly justify before 9/11?

Occam's Razor, baby.

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.
Yes you are.
There have been plenty of facts presented in link and video format in this thread alone. Facts from professionals and experts. Even the UN can't deny that it may have been the rebels who fired the missiles... and then you say that you haven't refuted anything in the thread? Selective memory much.

Lots of evidence has been posted.
Oh, so now we're on 9/11. I find those sorts of things as plausible, not necessarily what happened, but certainly more plausible than every single structural element failing at the same time... especially when the fire didn't engulf every side of the building. Ever play jenga?
Do they have to put it together or just let it happen? You did see the Clark video right?

You're holding that razor incorrectly.

[Katman]

All I'm asking is that one of these tin foil hat idiots post one piece of evidence.


See, that's your biggest problem. While you continue to view anyone that questions the official story as 'tin foil hat idiots' you're not going to be at all open to reason.

The reality is though that there are many thousands of people who are quite possibly considerably smarter than yourself who question the official story.

[flyingcrocodile46]

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.
Yes you are.
There have been plenty of facts presented in link and video format in this thread alone. Facts from professionals and experts. Even the UN can't deny that it may have been the rebels who fired the missiles... and then you say that you haven't refuted anything in the thread? Selective memory much.

Lots of evidence has been posted.
Oh, so now we're on 9/11. I find those sorts of things as plausible, not necessarily what happened, but certainly more plausible than every single structural element failing at the same time... especially when the fire didn't engulf every side of the building. Ever play jenga?
Do they have to put it together or just let it happen? You did see the Clark video right?

You're holding that razor incorrectly.

When he figures it out, perhaps he can shave all that wool off his back, then tackle those of his 'hear no' & 'speak no' companions. :laugh:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vip223/6326951422/lightbox/http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/flyingcrocodile46/threesheep.jpg

[mashman]

When he figures it out, perhaps he can shave all that wool off his back, then tackle those of his 'hear no' & 'speak no' companions. :laugh:


What do you mean "when"... perhaps "IF" may have been more apt.

Awesome pic.

[flyingcrocodile46]

What do you mean "when"... perhaps "IF" may have been more apt.

Awesome pic.

Yeah! :yes: I was looking for photos to photoshop but found that and used it instead. Obviously an enlightened street artist.

[Oscar]

See, that's your biggest problem. While you continue to view anyone that questions the official story as 'tin foil hat idiots' you're not going to be at all open to reason.

The reality is though that there are many thousands of people who are quite possibly considerably smarter than yourself who question the official story.

Question away.
When you have the answer, I'll listen.
But all you have is a bunch of speculation.

[Oscar]

When he figures it out, perhaps he can shave all that wool off his back, then tackle those of his 'hear no' & 'speak no' companions. :laugh:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vip223/6326951422/lightbox/http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/flyingcrocodile46/threesheep.jpg

Instead of the abuse, why don't you actually answer the question: Where is your "smoking gun"?

[mashman]

Instead of the abuse, why don't you actually answer the question: Where is your "smoking gun"?

Where's yours?

[Oscar]

Where's yours?

I watched it, live on TV.
Tell me again how those buildings were wired with explosives and yet still somehow needed someone to fly a plane into them.

[flyingcrocodile46]

i watched it, live on tv.
Tell me again how those buildings were wired with explosives and yet still somehow needed someone to fly a plane into them.

bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Oscar]

bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Wow, is that the CIA jamming your frequency?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Wow, is that the CIA jamming your frequency?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Nah! That was the 'Whooooosh' of irony that reverberated through the thread as you demonstrated the extremes of your naivety

[Oscar]

Nah! That was the 'Whooooosh' of irony that reverberated through the thread as you demonstrated the extremes of your naivety

Gee if you spent as much time actually arguing your point as you did with ad hominens you might actually get some where:banana:

[mashman]

I watched it, live on TV.
Tell me again how those buildings were wired with explosives and yet still somehow needed someone to fly a plane into them.

Me too, well the second one. Almost ruined my honeymoon on the Maldives.
I never said there were any explosives, so you using "again" in that sentence shows is a bit of a presumption on your part... as per usual I might add. There's a hole in the side of a building and a raging fire. Why did the floors above the burning not list towards the hole as things melted and buckled?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Gee if you spent as much time actually arguing your point as you did with ad hominens you might actually get some where:banana:


That's just more irony Oscar. You don't have an argument. All you have is denial.

[Oscar]

That's just more irony Oscar. You don't have an argument. All you have is denial.

I can't deny something that doesn't exist.
I have seen the theories and they hold no water.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I can't deny something that doesn't exist.
I have seen the theories and they hold no water.

Prove it :laugh:

[mashman]

Prove it :laugh:

Don't go there man, he's an expert, he saw it on telly (irrespective of the fact that some news channels reported that WTC 7 had collapsed, even though you could see it standing behind the reporters head... maybe he wasn't wearing his glasses that day).

[Oscar]

Me too, well the second one. Almost ruined my honeymoon on the Maldives.
I never said there were any explosives, so you using "again" in that sentence shows is a bit of a presumption on your part... as per usual I might add. There's a hole in the side of a building and a raging fire. Why did the floors above the burning not list towards the hole as things melted and buckled?

Easy really - the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 (based on the fact that the Empire State Building had been hit twice by aircraft).
Then the floor supports to failed before outside structure (but you know this, it was all in the report).

[Oscar]

Prove it :laugh:

Prove what?
That you have nothing?
But you're doing a great job...

[mashman]

Easy really - the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 (based on the fact that the Empire State Building had been hit twice by aircraft).
Then the floor supports to failed before outside structure (but you know this, it was all in the report).

Was someone standing there watching the floor supports fail before the outside structure? The conspiracy report?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Don't go there man, he's an expert, he saw it on telly (irrespective of the fact that some news channels reported that WTC 7 had collapsed, even though you could see it standing behind the reporters head... maybe he wasn't wearing his glasses that day).

I bet he's got one of those explosive/furnace proof passports that can survive specially brewed top secret type jet fuel that burns hot enough to cause steel to not only melt, but to remain molten for three weeks...... without so much as a smudge :lol:

[pzkpfw]

I bet he's got one of those explosive/furnace proof passports that can survive specially brewed top secret type jet fuel that burns hot enough to cause steel to not only melt, but to remain molten for three weeks...... without so much as a smudge :lol:

It's typical of the tin foil hat wearer that everything must be 100% on way or the other. For example absolutely everything on the planes must have burned up, so finding a passport is clearly a sign of foul play. Fail.

It's typical of the tin foil hat wearer to overstate what's been seen. For example, steel weakened by fire must be described as "melted", to enable the heat of that fire to be questioned. Fail.

It's typical of the tin foil hat wearer to make bad assumptions on what's seen in photos. Very hot glowing crap dug out of the ruins of a building that fell, on fire, covered in concrete and shit (like, you know, stuff like kilns are made of) is described as "molten" three weeks later. Fail.

[Hinny]

The nose ring just kills it for me.
Like you would say no.

[flyingcrocodile46]

No Yuo. Fail.

No Yuo. Fail.

No Yuo. Fail.

Par for the course

[jonbuoy]

Good to see were still focussing on the important issue of the two million people who just want to go back to their normal lives.

[Hinny]

Looks like you were full of shit about it being a false flag attack as well :-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp


Nope. The UN and Human Rights Watch said it... the NY Times reported it. As have many other news sources around the world.



Did you read it carefully ?


Yes I did.

You state you read the post carefully but clearly you did not understand what you had read. This inability to comprehend may be due to a lack of oxygen from having your head up your arse for too long.

From the referenced article
'according to independent and seperate calculations by both The New York Times and Human Rights Watch.'
Not as you assert as calculated by the UN and merely reported by the NYT.

You may be unaware of the Satellite Imagery supplied to the United Nations shows that the weapons were fired from Rebel held areas.
Then again you may be aware of it but refuse to accept it as it doesn't fit your paradigm.
Satellite Imagery - not mere conjecture.
You may note a complete lack of outrage on the part of Human Rights Watch for any of the multitude of atrocities committed by the US involving Chemical weapons in Iraq. The scale of those atrocities eclipsing anything in history.

[Hinny]

For the believers of the 'Official Conspiracy Theory', about the destruction of the World Trade Centre, this film from Massimo Mazzucco should give you the answers to all of the questions you have asked so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCw1TjfNKow

This is long, as it needs to be to examine the evidence and the conclusions from opposing perspectives.

[carbonhed]

You state you read the post carefully but clearly you did not understand what you had read. This inability to comprehend may be due to a lack of oxygen from having your head up your arse for too long.

From the referenced article
'according to independent and seperate calculations by both The New York Times and Human Rights Watch.'
Not as you assert as calculated by the UN and merely reported by the NYT.

You may be unaware of the Satellite Imagery supplied to the United Nations shows that the weapons were fired from Rebel held areas.
Then again you may be aware of it but refuse to accept it as it doesn't fit your paradigm.
Satellite Imagery - not mere conjecture.
You may note a complete lack of outrage on the part of Human Rights Watch for any of the multitude of atrocities committed by the US involving Chemical weapons in Iraq. The scale of those atrocities eclipsing anything in history.






Ahh.. the blubbery buffoon in head to toe hi viz and tinfoil helmet thunders to a halt on his Pan Euro and falls flat on face. Why do you conspiracy cocksuckers ride such shitty bikes. What kind of stupid question has as it's answer... "a Pan Euro is the bike for me!" Is it because it's one of the few two wheeled tractors that can cope with the blubbery hulk perched on top of it without vanishing up your arsehole? Do you tow a fucking trailer around with it? Nobody on a Pan Euro should even be allowed access to the internet you pasty faced faggot.

The UN inspected the site of the chemical attack in Damascus and determined the trajectory of two of the rockets fired. Human Rights Watch and the NYT extrapolated the lines and drew their own conclusions. You or anybody else with Google Earth and a ruler could do the same.

Amazingly you forgot to link the satellite imagery you report.

The scale of American atrocities in Iraq eclipsed anything in history? Oh just fuck off you halfwit.

[Hinny]

Human Rights Watch and the NYT extrapolated the lines and drew their own conclusions.

I see you did recognise you had made a mistake.

The rest of the diatribe was a classic Right Wing Plonker spit the dummy melt down.
Perhaps you should take a pill and calm down.
Outbursts like that don't make you look very smart and are probably not very good for your health.

Willful ignorance is obviously your mechanism for maintaining your outlook on life and reality. That in my opinion is not very smart either.
If you took the time to watch the movie you may become aware of information that could change your opinions about 9/11 and other modern tales from America.
Go on, give it a whirl.

[carbonhed]

Blah blah blah

The UN inspected the site of the chemical attack in Damascus and determined the trajectory of two of the rockets fired. Human Rights Watch and the NYT extrapolated the lines and drew their own conclusions. You or anybody else with Google Earth and a ruler could do the same.

Even more amazingly you forgot to link the satellite imagery you report.

Again.

Show me I'm interested.

[mashman]

Good to see were still focussing on the important issue of the two million people who just want to go back to their normal lives.

Can you post up the letter that you've written to the UN requesting that NZ are keen to take 100,000 of these people until the civil war is over.

[Hinny]

,,, you're doing a great job...

OK that was just to get your attention.

Looking back over a few f your comments about this thread and the 911 conspiracy I can see how you may have arrived at the views you hold.
The reason for this in my opinion is due to a lack of knowledge.
The movie I gave a link to earlier may bring you 'up to speed' with the details of the 911 conspiracy.
You may watch it and become better informed or you could continue with willful ignorance and hold dear the opinions you have formed.

Looking at interviews of Bashar al-Assad with Charlie Rose and RT may give you a different perspective of the man the West is demonising in it's attempt to garner public support.
As one commentator said 'He is an impressive man'. Certainly he comes across as a lot more intelligent, empathetic and sensible than any of the US politicians we see.

[Oscar]

OK that was just to get your attention.

Looking back over a few f your comments about this thread and the 911 conspiracy I can see how you may have arrived at the views you hold.
The reason for this in my opinion is due to a lack of knowledge.
The movie I gave a link to earlier may bring you 'up to speed' with the details of the 911 conspiracy.
You may watch it and become better informed or you could continue with willful ignorance and hold dear the opinions you have formed.



The reason for my opinion is that any time I ask a reasonable question, like - why would you have a plan that involved crashing planes into buildings AND blowing them up, I never get an answer.
And if they blew those buildings up, how come no one saw the preparations? All get to that one is "elevator maintenance" - do you know how much explosive is required to bring a building like that down?
But the biggie is - no physical evidence or eyewitnesses.

There may be all sorts of interesting shit going on, but logically you have to get past the nuts and bolts of the basic, observable evidence.

[george formby]

The reason for my opinion is that any time I ask a reasonable question, like - why would you have a plan that involved crashing planes into buildings AND blowing them up, I never get an answer.
And if they blew those buildings up, how come no one saw the preparations? All get to that one is "elevator maintenance" - do you know how much explosive is required to bring a building like that down?
But the biggie is - no physical evidence or eyewitnesses.

There may be all sorts of interesting shit going on, but logically you have to get past the nuts and bolts of the basic, observable evidence.

Aw well, that post struck a chord with me. I'm not a bun fighter but if I get a bit of jam on me then so be it.

Motive. Who did what & why did they do it? For what result? Terrorist attack, semi plausible, conspiracy, semi plausible, but what is the win, who gained? Why, on either side? For whoever did it, ying & yang, it is defeatist, instant hatred & you have to be pretty smart to pull off 9/11.

It's all there but it's not clear what it all means.

[Oscar]

Aw well, that post struck a chord with me. I'm not a bun fighter but if I get a bit of jam on me then so be it.

Motive. Who did what & why did they do it? For what result? Terrorist attack, semi plausible, conspiracy, semi plausible, but what is the win, who gained? Why, on either side? For whoever did it, ying & yang, it is defeatist, instant hatred & you have to be pretty smart to pull off 9/11.

It's all there but it's not clear what it all means.

The motive is easy in the light of the recent habit of some Muslim leaders to glorify martyrdom.
In October 2001, Al-Qaeda's spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, said:


The Americans should know that the storm of plane attacks will not abate, with God's permission. There are thousands of the Islamic nations' youths who are eager to die just as the Americans are eager to live

[Banditbandit]

Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??

2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?

3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

[Katman]

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??



Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.

[Oscar]

Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.

Al Queda did though.

[Banditbandit]

Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.



On October 29, 2004, at 21:00 UTC, al Jazeera broadcast excerpts allegedly from a videotape of Osama bin Laden addressing the people of the United States (in which he accepts responsibility for the September 11 attacks) condemns the Bush government's response to those attacks and presents those attacks as part of a campaign of revenge and deterrence motivated by his witnessing of the destruction in the Lebanese Civil War in 1982. News analysts speculated that the release of the video was timed to influence the 2004 U.S. presidential election, which would take place four days later.


Even though al Jazeera (when broadcasting the footage on its evening newscast) didn't disclose the source of the video, sources within the United States intelligence community have confirmed that the speaker, who appears behind a lectern, is indeed bin Laden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video

[Katman]

.....sources within the United States intelligence community have confirmed.....

:facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

What !!! Are you saying that Osama Bin Laden was not real ???

I posted the second quota to balance the "allegedly" used by Al Jazeera ... not to prove anything at all ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??
N/A
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?
convince or force?
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???
there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?
6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..
sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"
The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

Just to be the devil I'll give some answers for the above :devil2:

[Banditbandit]

Just to be the devil I'll give some answers for the above :devil2:

Bugger - that makes it harder to respond ...

But here
Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"

That just moves the problem - who did they convince to commit suicide???
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

N/A

Do you mean "no answer' or "not applicable" ?
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

convince or force?

Al Qaeda had to be complicit in any conspuiracy to blow up the WTC ... whichever way you cut it ... Al Qaeda NEVER said "wasn't us " .. if they had said that things might have been different ...
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???


there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?

No - there were no bombs on the plane - or so far no one has claimed there were. TPTB in 'merika still had to convince people to commit suicide ... Extrenmists have achieved that - but it's not easy .

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"


So - he just acquiesed and died without challenging the 'merikan assertions? Seems highy unlikely to me - especially as he was given to verbally attacking 'merika on every occassion ...
The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

[SPman]

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ??? Very early reports were of a jet shot down by an F15 - one of the engines and debris from this jet was found over half a mile from the crash site (One of the engines was found over half a mile away from the main field. 7 (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html#ref7) Other debris fields were found 2, 3, and 8 miles away.) - interesting in a jet that was meant to have speared straight in....intact!. These reports very quickly receeded into the background, however........


If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..
Bin Laden died of kidney failure around 2001-2 - he had been on dialysis for several years before that.. he wasn't assasinated in Pakistan - in fact - if anyone was - it was the SEAL team that was sent in - they were "assasinated" in Afghanistan a couple of weeks later - those that weren't killed in the destruction of one helicopter at the scene under suspicious circumstances....

meanwhile, on subject

While the Assad regime in Damascus has denied responsibility for the sarin gas missiles that killed around 1,400 Syrians in the suburb of Ghouta on 21 August, information is now circulating in the city that Russia's new "evidence" about the attack includes the dates of export of the specific rockets used and – more importantly – the countries to which they were originally sold. They were apparently manufactured in the Soviet Union in 1967 and sold by Moscow to three Arab countries, Yemen, Egypt and Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's Libya. These details cannot be verified in documents, and Vladimir Putin has not revealed the reasons why he told Barack Obama that he knows Assad's army did not fire the sarin missiles; but if the information is correct – and it is believed to have come from Moscow – Russia did not sell this particular batch of chemical munitions to Syria.

Since Gaddafi's fall in 2011, vast quantities of his abandoned Soviet-made arms have fallen into the hands of rebel groups and al-Qa'ida-affiliated insurgents. Many were later found in Mali, some in Algeria and a vast amount in Sinai. The Syrians have long claimed that a substantial amount of Soviet-made weaponry has made its way from Libya into the hands of rebels in the country's civil war with the help of Qatar – which supported the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi and now pays for arms shipments to Syrian insurgents.

There is no doubt that Syria has a substantial chemical weapons armoury. Nor that Syrian stockpiles contain large amounts of sarin gas 122mm missiles. But if the Russians have indeed been able to identify the specific missile markings on fragments found in Ghouta – and if these are from munitions never exported to Syria – the Assad regime will boast its innocence has been proven.




the cauldron continues to bubble........

[Woodman]

America's insecurity is starting to look desperate.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fO4anVwd

Wow a customer profile, the Warehouse have them too, as do most businesses.

Mountains and molehills.

[Scuba_Steve]

Bugger - that makes it harder to respond ...

Yea sorry bout that, I'll make it easier this time



1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"

That just moves the problem - who did they convince to commit suicide???
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

N/A

Do you mean "no answer' or "not applicable" ?
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

convince or force?

Al Qaeda had to be complicit in any conspuiracy to blow up the WTC ... whichever way you cut it ... Al Qaeda NEVER said "wasn't us " .. if they had said that things might have been different ...
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???


there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?

No - there were no bombs on the plane - or so far no one has claimed there were. TPTB in 'merika still had to convince people to commit suicide ... Extrenmists have achieved that - but it's not easy .

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"


So - he just acquiesed and died without challenging the 'merikan assertions? Seems highy unlikely to me - especially as he was given to verbally attacking 'merika on every occassion ...

1.
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2.
Yea it would, so ok maybee just 'Merica gave them a push in that direction, they've previously been pretty helpful to said groups so maybee they just gave them the idea/intel & let them do their thing

3.
either one will do, We're running with the idea that planes did physically fly into the towers.

4.
Al Qaeda are anti-'merican why pass up a chance to claim victory against them, truthful or not.

5.
That was my point, it seems unusual for a group that loves their strap-on kamikaze bombs not to go 'Kaboom' as a backup plan

6.
Again acts against the worlds largest terrorist country is "greatness" for them, who doesn't want to be a champion of their people?

[flyingcrocodile46]

What !!! Are you saying that Osama Bin Laden was not real ???

I posted the second quota to balance the "allegedly" used by Al Jazeera ... not to prove anything at all ...

Yeah! He was real. He (and many of his men incl his 2IC) were trained as terrorists and insurgents in America by the CIA and also received additional training in Afghanistan (and England) by both the CIA and MI6. They were trained to enhance the war against Russia in Afghanistan, because poppy production was in jeopardy (along with mineral [incl massive lithium reserves] and oil pipeline access). That has been pretty much conceded as fact by every govt and media group in existence, though there are differences in the level of details around whether training took place in the US and England.

Here is an indication of just how effective the intelligence community manipulation of your minds is.

Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility for the attack. I recall at least two occasions when the same footage and announcement (as below) was made in the mainstream media many years ago.. watch and learn/remember? (it's only a minute)


http://youtu.be/ulWWKK3MLJA


I can also recall news paper reports of several of the so called hijackers confirmed as turning up alive around the world (that one was flushed real quick and never spoken of again in the mainstream media). I didn't think to save a copy of the Herald as I didn't know that 90% of the kb members would forget that kind of stuff:rolleyes: Thankfully we have the internet and can readily confirm the possibility/probability (in balance with as much other researched data as possible) of % truth.... IF we are prepared to LOOK.

Some peoples denial is soooo strong that they can't even remember witnessing mainstream media news reports that conflict with big brothers versions of events........................ Like the BBC announcement that building 7 had just collapsed (filmed live.................with building 7 clearly standing tall in the background).... Hellllooooooo???

These inconvenient truths that accidentally slip through the helmsmen's hands get swallowed up pretty quick. However some are recorded and subsequently distributed over the net on sites like Youtube.. Surprise!

There are also recording from two bombings carried out in London which clearly show the same crisis actor at the two separate bombing sites. He was in bandages at the first bombing site and a spectator at the second... Hellllooooooooo! Anybody home???

I mean to say... come on people... don't be so goddam gullible

Yes planes were used. Highly advanced remote control technology was repeatedly tested by crashing numerous large airliners into purpose made mini mountains of solid concrete back in the 80's and 90's during studies into aircraft design improvements and inspired the development program that brought us "Predator Drones".

This gets tiring having to answer the same retarded questions and challenges over and over. All because people subconsciously block out and forget unsettling events.. or more often, because their memories are like fucking sieves.

I haven't got time to stop and answer the same questions over and over (often more than twice to the same people) when they are not genuinely interested in knowing any answers (because if they were, they would look into it themselves using google).

If you have an open mind and really want answers you can & will google the information yourself. It ain't like it's hard to find eh!

If not... Fuck off.

That said. I will help anyone (with links that they can research info from) who is genuinely interested and wants to PM me.

You have to do it yourself and absorb what is out there then set aside your biases/hopes/dreams and enter the uncomfortable world of balancing the probabilities honestly with yourself or you just won't believe it (unless your probability selection supports what you are most comfortable with :rolleyes:). Other people can't do it for you (other than Big brother, as he is in your face every day feeding you only what he needs you to know). That is the cycle that has to be broken. You have to learn to LOOK for and see and think for yourself in areas that you have become accustomed to ignoring. Except for dutifully absorbing Big brothers sound bites, that you rely on in order to pretend that you're a responsible citizen who is paying attention.

[Woodman]

Are you sure you are not brainwashed Croc? Serious question

[carbonhed]

Blah blah blah.



Oh well, when you put it that way..... BWAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

I've got 19 guys who are prepared to die for their cause. Four of them trained as pilots the rest are muscle to subdue the passengers. The end. I could do any of the roles in that scenario... most people could.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah! He was real. Blah .. blah blah ..


I haven't got time to stop and answer the same questions over and over (often more than twice to the same people) when they are not genuinely interested in knowing any answers (because if they were, they would look into it themselves using google).

If you have an open mind and really want answers you can & will google the information yourself. It ain't like it's hard to find eh!

If not... Fuck off.

Blah Blah Blah

I stopped engaging with you two days ago - the post you responded to was not addressed to you ..

It's not my problem that you think you may have wasted you time responding ... I didn't require any rsponse from you at all ... you're a waste of space mate .. stop using up oxygen for no good purpose

[flyingcrocodile46]

When the waves of truth come crashing down over them, threatening to wash away the sand and expose the deniers little pin heads, they dig faster and deeper until they hit rock bottom and have nowhere to go. Still the waves of truth don't stop.

What then do the hard core deniers do?


Break out the jack hammers.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

P.S No doubt oxygen is a precious commodity when your head is buried and that you might develop a heightened fear that there isn't enough to share. But have no fear, there is plenty to go around in the real world.

[SPman]

An intersting post on the phenomenon of belief, conformity and peer and societal pressure by a blogger I help support called Arthur Silber.......http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/


Besides, there is the famous Asch experiment (among many others), which I wrote about exactly five years ago: "Studies in Conformity, Generating Consensus, and Why You Are Not Adults (http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/09/studies-in-conformity-generating.html)." And, for pity's sake, my darlings, the Asch experiment was conducted in 1951. The subjects were asked to identify which of several lines was the same in length as another line. The other "subjects" (who were actually participants in the experiment) gave what were obviously wrong answers. Many of the true subjects of the experiment denied the evidence of their own eyes -- and agreed with the wrong answers (http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/asch_conformity.html):

To Asch's surprise, 37 of the 50 subjects conformed to the majority at least once, and 14 of them conformed on more than 6 of the 12 trials. When faced with a unanimous wrong answer by the other group members, the mean subject conformed on 4 of the 12 trials. Asch was disturbed by these results: "The tendency to conformity in our society is so strong that reasonably intelligent and well-meaning young people are willing to call white black. This is a matter of concern. It raises questions about our ways of education and about the values that guide our conduct."
...
Apparently, people conform for two main reasons: because they want to be liked by the group and because they believe the group is better informed than they are.

I went on to note:

The pathetic truth is that most people fear genuine independence more than they fear death itself. So desperate are they for "acceptance" and so fearful of being thought "peculiar," they will deny the evidence of their own eyes and mindlessly repeat the lies and ignorance of others. When it comes to a subject like economics or foreign policy, they think: "Oh, that's so hard! I can't understand that. I'll just listen to what the 'experts' say. They know best."

If events of the last seven years have demonstrated nothing else at all, they should have made absolutely clear that "experts" are often the very last people you should look to for guidance.
These are the lessons we are all taught, and that only a very small number of people manage to resist successfully: to throttle any sign of a genuine, vital thought or feeling of our own; to obey the authority figures in our lives without question or hesitation; and to attempt to survive by making ourselves constantly aware of even the subtlest emotional signals from others, especially those whose favor we regard as crucial to our success. For this mode of functioning -- which is the mode of functioning of most people -- the facts relevant to any particular question or controversy do not matter. What matters, what is of life and death importance in psychological terms, is the view of the group(s) with which we have allied ourselves. And if those we regard as authorities (or "experts") tell us line A is the same length as line D, even when it plainly is not, we will agree with the authorities. We will set aside the evidence of our own eyes, we will ignore what we know with absolute certainty to be true, to avoid the disapproval of those whose acceptance represents our sense of identity and self-worth, and those who are more powerful.



seems to tie in with the Millgram experiments.....2/3rds of people will run with authority regardless.........

[mashman]

An intersting post on the phenomenon of belief, conformity and peer and societal pressure by a blogger I help support called Arthur Silber.......http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/

seems to tie in with the Millgram experiments.....2/3rds of people will run with authority regardless.........

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2008/274/4/3/How_many_fingers__Winston__by_Rena_Inuyasha.jpg

[flyingcrocodile46]

An intersting post on the phenomenon of belief, conformity and peer and societal pressure by a blogger I help support called Arthur Silber.......http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/



seems to tie in with the Millgram experiments.....2/3rds of people will run with authority regardless.........

That's very good. Plato looked at it in simplistic terms .. Plato's cave is a classic in philosophy.(short animated version below)

Did they have tin foil hats back then?



http://youtu.be/d2afuTvUzBQ

[carbonhed]

When the waves of truth come crashing down over them, threatening to wash away the sand and expose the deniers little pin heads, they dig faster and deeper until they hit rock bottom and have nowhere to go. Still the waves of truth don't stop.

What then do the hard core deniers do?


Break out the jack hammers.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

P.S No doubt oxygen is a precious commodity when your head is buried and that you might develop a heightened fear that there isn't enough to share. But have no fear, there is plenty to go around in the real world.

I reckon if my conspirators bought their own packed lunches during training we could knock the whole plot out and have change from half a million dollars.

Plus there's that nice Jihadi progression... suicide bomber on foot, on bicycle, motorcycle, car, pickup, truck, boat... plane.

How much does it cost to radio control two Boeing 767's and two Boeing 757's? Who did it? Did they fly out of Newark, Washington and Boston? Did they have animatronic pilots to wave at the groundcrew? Fascinating stuff!

[Woodman]

An intersting post on the phenomenon of belief, conformity and peer and societal pressure by a blogger I help support called Arthur Silber.......http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/



seems to tie in with the Millgram experiments.....2/3rds of people will run with authority regardless.........


And the difference between people supporting authority and you believing the blogger you support is ?

Conspiracy theorists see other conspiracy theorists as authorities, so fcuk knows what mashman and Flyingcrocodile are going on about.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And the difference between people supporting authority and you believing the blogger you support is ?


Quite obviously beyond your comprehension.

Perhaps you could find an intellectual type or perhaps a recent school leaver (with an inexhaustable amount of patience) to explain it to you.

[Hinny]

Comprehensive analysis of both sides of the story. It is long. (5 hours - or was it that it just seemed so long)
in 3 parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCw1TjfNKow

Literally poses questions - the answers to those questions should define the most probable 'reality'.

Those that are genuinely interested in getting answers should get the answers from these videos. Most, if not all of the questions raised by believers of the 'Official Conspiracy Theory' are answered by way of exhibits and testimony by people prepared to provide their names and credentials.

To remain Willfully Ignorant of the history of this tragedy and still make comment about it is, in my opinion, wrong.
Making derisory comments about those that have requested an investigation into the death of 2800 people is clearly wrong.

[Woodman]

Quite obviously beyond your comprehension.

Perhaps you could find an intellectual type or perhaps a recent school leaver (with an inexhaustable amount of patience) to explain it to you.

Pathetic..............

[Hinny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video


OMG so fake.
A bit like this:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/L06lMsF4LJQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

[carbonhed]

Amazing footage of animatronic pilots undergoing mission training prior to 9/11 conclusively proves conspiracy theorists correct!

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[mashman]

How to train your denier.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y07at1bU89Q

[SPman]

And the difference between people supporting authority and you believing the blogger you support is ?

Conspiracy theorists see other conspiracy theorists as authorities, so fcuk knows what mashman and Flyingcrocodile are going on about.


"believing the blogger you support"..........not necessarily - I don't "believe" much at all - without questioning it thoroughly as I can, first. Most people don't question authority - unless it becomes so blatant that it overwhelms even their desire to fit in - and is shared by enough others to make them feel less insecure about it.
Conspiracy theorists - another convenient label to marginalise groups that don't buy in to official versions of events.......

[Hinny]

I see the Russians have now supplied an one hundred page dosier on the origin of the weapons used in Syria two days after the UN inspectors arrived
This apparently details to whom these weapons were sold.
This combined with the satellite imagery they supplied, puts the US four page opinion piece into the trash where it clearly belonged.

[carbonhed]

I see the Russians have now supplied an one hundred page dosier on the origin of the weapons used in Syria two days after the UN inspectors arrived
This apparently details to whom these weapons were sold.
This combined with the satellite imagery they supplied, puts the US four page opinion piece into the trash where it clearly belonged.

Aaaaand the link is......

[mashman]

Aaaaand the link is......

It's in the post... well, not in the post as in in the post, but it's in the post that was posted.

[carbonhed]

It's in the post... well, not in the post as in in the post, but it's in the post that was posted.

Cool. I was beginning to think he was an entirely retarded cocksucker... but hey if it's in the post.

[mashman]

Cool. I was beginning to think he was an entirely retarded cocksucker... but hey if it's in the post.

He can't be, well, not entirely, but only because he's an authority.

[carbonhed]

An intersting post on the phenomenon of belief, conformity and peer and societal pressure by a blogger I help support called Arthur Silber.......
seems to tie in with the Millgram experiments.....2/3rds of people will run with authority regardless.........

I can see how those studies might give you a tiny, half hearted, chubby but if you really want to see what the shrinks think about you google "conspiracy ideation"... then we'll see if the warm fuzzies survive being called an inconsequential, paranoid, loser... I suspect not... but I have been known to be wrong... unlike conspiracy theorists.

[mashman]

I can see how those studies might give you a tiny, half hearted, chubby but if you really want to see what the shrinks think about you google "conspiracy ideation"... then we'll see if the warm fuzzies survive being called an inconsequential, paranoid, loser... I suspect not... but I have been known to be wrong... unlike conspiracy theorists.

How many fingers am I holding up Winston?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GNJ954SzZVs/SJ-WCZu_RII/AAAAAAAABbM/YqMFoXr7rRc/s400/Vyvyan+Young+Ones.jpg

[Hinny]

... but I have been known to be wrong...

I'd hazard a guess -that would be a time or two.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'd hazard a guess -that would be a time or two.

Oh, I think the Jar is much bigger than that :lol:

[Oscar]

I see the Russians have now supplied an one hundred page dosier on the origin of the weapons used in Syria two days after the UN inspectors arrived
This apparently details to whom these weapons were sold.
This combined with the satellite imagery they supplied, puts the US four page opinion piece into the trash where it clearly belonged.

That's OK then, coz the Russian ain't biased, and they always tell the truth..

[SPman]

About as truthful as the US.......or UK.......or.......any county counting themselves as a major player..........:rolleyes:

[Oscar]

About as truthful as the US.......or UK.......or.......any county counting themselves as a major player..........:rolleyes:

Precisely

So why is the poster saying that the Russian report means that the US report was a "piece of trash"?

I don't believe either of them.

[Hinny]

The reason for my opinion is that any time I ask a reasonable question, like - why would you have a plan that involved crashing planes into buildings AND blowing them up, I never get an answer.
And if they blew those buildings up, how come no one saw the preparations? All get to that one is "elevator maintenance" - do you know how much explosive is required to bring a building like that down?
But the biggie is - no physical evidence or eyewitnesses.

There may be all sorts of interesting shit going on, but logically you have to get past the nuts and bolts of the basic, observable evidence.

Checked out the video I suggested you watch yet?
in 3 parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCw1TjfNKow

[mashman]

Checked out the video I suggested you watch yet?

Jokes and Humour is the fourth thread from the top.

[Hinny]

Precisely

So why is the poster saying that the Russian report means that the US report was a "piece of trash"?

I don't believe either of them.

Because the Russian report apparently had details, and specifics which may be contested.

The US Oped was a summation of their suspicions ie conclusions - no specifics. Typical, short on detail, assertions they make that are then regarded as fact. Witness McCain's assertions "We know the Syrian Govt. was responsible for the attack". Never mind about waiting for the results of any investigation. His confirmation that the US was involved in supplying arms to the rebels, in contravention of international law, in the sentence after he said they weren't is typical. Careless disregard for the truth and for the rule of law.

If you watch interviews with Putin and US Politicians like McCain and compare them the US dudes don't come out very well imo.
McCain and Kerry come across as Hysterical lying toerags.
Michael Hamilton, the journalist, exposed the use of US PsyOps on US politicians visiting Afghanistan to garner more support for that campaign. One that he said was targetted was McCain.
The way he and Kerry appear to be fixated on Israel and mention that country over and over makes me wonder if the have been brainwashed by agents of Israel. ditto for Obama. The latter two have appeared to do a 180 in their opinions.

Time for these Hawks to step back from their war promotion and try and do something good for the people of America. Creating more and more enemies is not in the best interests of the US citizenry.It appears clear that is not where their loyalty and focus lies.

McCain being caught playing poker on his phone during a crucial senate hearing on whether to take military action in Syria shows his colours. The spin and misinformation that flowed from this expose was insightful and disturbing. Lying is clearly de rigeur.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Checked out the video I suggested you watch yet?
in 3 parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mDXHn_byA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCw1TjfNKow

With an attention span shorter than a TV ad, he wouldn't make it through the intro. Haven't you got something that has ALL the answers in a one minute video clip? Preferably by Monty Python.

[Hinny]

Jokes and Humour is the fourth thread from the top.

You're not suggesting that Oscar is 'Willfully Ignorant' are you?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Because the Russian report apparently had details, and specifics which may be contested.

The US Oped was a summation of their suspicions ie conclusions - no specifics. Typical, short on detail, assertions they make that are then regarded as fact. Witness McCain's assertions "We know the Syrian Govt. was responsible for the attack". Never mind about waiting for the results of any investigation. His confirmation that the US was involved in supplying arms to the rebels, in contravention of international law, in the sentence after he said they weren't is typical. Careless disregard for the truth and for the rule of law.

If you watch interviews with Putin and US Politicians like McCain and compare them the US dudes don't come out very well imo.
McCain and Kerry come across as Hysterical lying toerags.
Michael Hamilton, the journalist, exposed the use of US PsyOps on US politicians visiting Afghanistan to garner more support for that campaign. One that he said was targetted was McCain.
The way he and Kerry appear to be fixated on Israel and mention that country over and over makes me wonder if the have been brainwashed by agents of Israel. ditto for Obama. The latter two have appeared to do a 180 in their opinions.

Time for these Hawks to step back from their war promotion and try and do something good for the people of America. Creating more and more enemies is not in the best interests of the US citizenry.It appears clear that is not where their loyalty and focus lies.

McCain being caught playing poker on his phone during a crucial senate hearing on whether to take military action in Syria shows his colours. The spin and misinformation that flowed from this expose was insightful and disturbing. Lying is clearly de rigeur.

Fat chance. They have exported or shut down most of their industries cept the war machine. They are desperate to create a market demand for their product.

[Hinny]

Fat chance. They have exported or shut down most of their industries cept the war machine. They are desperate to create a market demand for their product.

That video was informative as to the number of airforce bases they have in the States. Apparently for DEFENCE.
I wonder how the Arabs knew there would only be four fighters available to protect all of the North Eastern Sector on Sept.11 and only Rumsfeld could give the rder to engage the hijacked planes and he would be unavailable to do so on Sept 11. ( for part of the time he was outside shifting pieces of aeroplane around the Pentagon lawn.)
Did they have knowledge of these circumstances or was it just an amasing coincidence. Were they thumbing their noses at the base that two of the planes flew over on intersecting flight paths. Were they aware the dept of defense doesn't seem to bother with defence of the US or that it was controlled by bumbling fools.... or was it part of a plot?

[flyingcrocodile46]

That video was informative as to the number of airforce bases they have in the States. Apparently for DEFENCE.
I wonder how the Arabs knew there would only be four fighters available to protect all of the North Eastern Sector on Sept.11 and only Rumsfeld could give the rder to engage the hijacked planes and he would be unavailable to do so on Sept 11. ( for part of the time he was outside shifting pieces of aeroplane around the Pentagon lawn.)
Did they have knowledge of these circumstances or was it just an amasing coincidence. Were they thumbing their noses at the base that two of the planes flew over on intersecting flight paths. Were they aware the dept of defense doesn't seem to bother with defence of the US or that it was controlled by bumbling fools.... or was it part of a plot?

I suspect the answer is something like this. 1st para, because that was part of their plan. As I recall, Rumsfield was also engaged in a couple of unimportant meetings. 2nd para Yes to first option. Probably. Yes to the second option. That would be my guess.

[Oscar]

With an attention span shorter than a TV ad, he wouldn't make it through the intro. Haven't you got something that has ALL the answers in a one minute video clip? Preferably by Monty Python.


You pretentious, silly boy.
There are none so stupid as the zealot.

[mashman]

You're not suggesting that Oscar is 'Willfully Ignorant' are you?

He'd have to care before engaging any form of will.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You pretentious, silly boy.
There are none so stupid as the zealot.

Still too complicated and long huh! What about A 30 second quickie from Sponge Bob Square Pants, or the Wiggles maybe?

[Woodman]

Precisely

So why is the poster saying that the Russian report means that the US report was a "piece of trash"?

I don't believe either of them.

Because their is something in the russian report they can use to feed their hunger for their version of the story, and saying it come from "the Russians" sounds pretty cool to them.

[Oscar]

That video was informative as to the number of airforce bases they have in the States. Apparently for DEFENCE.
I wonder how the Arabs knew there would only be four fighters available to protect all of the North Eastern Sector on Sept.11 and only Rumsfeld could give the rder to engage the hijacked planes and he would be unavailable to do so on Sept 11. ( for part of the time he was outside shifting pieces of aeroplane around the Pentagon lawn.)
Did they have knowledge of these circumstances or was it just an amasing coincidence. Were they thumbing their noses at the base that two of the planes flew over on intersecting flight paths. Were they aware the dept of defense doesn't seem to bother with defence of the US or that it was controlled by bumbling fools.... or was it part of a plot?

No amazing coincidence, just more rubbish.
Prior to 9/11, no western leader was going to give the order to shoot down a civilian airliner.
The hijackers knew that, so the alertness of the US air defense was completely irrelevant.

Even after the first one crashed, the chances of vectoring fighters to the remaining planes (or indeed just finding them) was approaching zero.

[Oscar]

Still too complicated and long huh! What about A 30 second quickie from Sponge Bob Square Pants, or the Wiggles maybe?

In another age, you'd have been a religous nutter.
In this one, you're just a boring pratt.

[Oscar]

He'd have to care before engaging any form of will.

You got it.
The “conspiracy” is a tissue of innuendo, coincidences and self-perpetuating wank from a bunch of sad individuals with no concrete evidence.

[pzkpfw]

No amazing coincidence, just more rubbish.
Prior to 9/11, no western leader was going to give the order to shoot down a civilian airliner.
The hijackers knew that, so the alertness of the US air defense was completely irrelevant.

Even after the first one crashed, the chances of vectoring fighters to the remaining planes (or indeed just finding them) was approaching zero.

Yep. History. Pretty much the same thing as with all the blow-hards who say they'd not have let their plane be hijacked with box cutters. Before then, hijackers tended to go land somewhere and demand prisoners be released or something. The fourth plane didn't hit its target only because the passengers learned what was up and then knew they had to try something - because there was no way out otherwise.

[mashman]

You got it.
The “conspiracy” is a tissue of innuendo, coincidences and self-perpetuating wank from a bunch of sad individuals with no concrete evidence.

Ok, so you understand the official story. What about the information in the 3 videos that get repeatedly posted for your education?

[flyingcrocodile46]

You got it.
The “conspiracy” is a tissue of innuendo, coincidences and self-perpetuating wank from a bunch of sad individuals with no concrete evidence.
Ok, so you understand the official story. What about the information in the 3 videos that get repeatedly posted for your education? I'm pretty sure that is going to fly several metres over his head. Poor deluded fools don't even understand the meaning of the words 'conspiracy & theory' or that all they are doing is supporting one conspiracy theory (one provided by repeatedly proven liars) over another "conspiracy theory" with several magnitudes more factual evidence to support it and not a shred of evidence to show that those promoting it are telling lies (or even mistaken). Just the same good old fashioned "No Yuo's" born from the ignorance of fools who refuse to even look through all of the evidence. As much self honesty going on as a liar who says he prefers one type of beer over another when all he has ever tried is Kool Aid.

[Oscar]

I'm pretty sure that is going to fly several metres over his head. Poor deluded fools don't even understand the meaning of the words 'conspiracy & theory' or that all they are doing is supporting one conspiracy theory (one provided by repeatedly proven liars) over another "conspiracy theory" with several magnitudes more factual evidence to support it and not a shred of evidence to show that those promoting it are telling lies (or even mistaken). Just the same good old fashioned "No Yuo's" born from the ignorance of fools who refuse to even look through all of the evidence. As much self honesty going on as a liar who says he prefers one type of beer over another when all he has ever tried is Kool Aid.

Yup, in another age you would have been a religious nutter, finding miracles in mundane things.
In the 21st Century, yer just a nutter.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yup, in another age you would have been a religious nutter, finding miracles in mundane things.
In the 21st Century, yer just a nutter.

Methinks you PKB too much.

Sheeple unquestionably follow along with the majority consensus of their societies, moulding their minds and beliefs to mirror those of the most popular sheeple/groups etc so they can fit in and be liked. They are shallow little puddles who are afraid to question things, in case they make the other sheeple uncomfortable and lose their 'Like' status.

Oscar's evolve in life and over the ages. All starting with the Papa Oscar belief system, then the Chief Oscar belief system, followed by the King Oscar belief system, then the God Oscar belief system. Each societal transition in Oscar belief systems takes longer than the last and many Oscars are left lagging.

A declining percentage are still clinging desperately to the moral decay of their God Oscar phase. Many more are somewhere in the middle of the herd, fervently devout to their Govt Oscar belief system as they move ever closer to the flowering of the New World Oscar (MWO) paradigm. Otherwise known as the Hi Tech Shearing Shed. :yes:

I am not an Oscar, and would rather the comfort of knowledge of untruths at the expense of Oscar 'like' points thanks.

[carbonhed]

Methinks you PKB too much.

Sheeple unquestionably follow along with the majority consensus of their societies, moulding their minds and beliefs to mirror those of the most popular sheeple/groups etc so they can fit in and be liked. They are shallow little puddles who are afraid to question things, in case they make the other sheeple uncomfortable and lose their 'Like' status.

Oscar's evolve in life and over the ages. All starting with the Papa Oscar belief system, then the Chief Oscar belief system, followed by the King Oscar belief system, then the God Oscar belief system. Each societal transition in Oscar belief systems takes longer than the last and many Oscars are left lagging.

A declining percentage are still clinging desperately to the moral decay of their God Oscar phase. Many more are somewhere in the middle of the herd, fervently devout to their Govt Oscar belief system as they move ever closer to the flowering of the New World Oscar (MWO) paradigm. Otherwise known as the Hi Tech Shearing Shed. :yes:

I am not an Oscar, and would rather the comfort of knowledge of untruths at the expense of Oscar 'like' points thanks.

Why do I see this guy every time you open your mouth?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Sheldon.jpg (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/carbonhed/media/Sheldon.jpg.html)

You're on that spectrum somewhere aren't you? :rolleyes:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Why do I see this guy every time you open your mouth?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r319/carbonhed/Sheldon.jpg (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/carbonhed/media/Sheldon.jpg.html)

You're on that spectrum somewhere aren't you? :rolleyes:

:lol: It hardly surprises me that you visualise bug spray aimed at you when you engage with people. Nor that you can't recognise it for what it is... every time :rolleyes:

[Oscar]

Methinks you PKB too much.

Sheeple unquestionably follow along with the majority consensus of their societies, moulding their minds and beliefs to mirror those of the most popular sheeple/groups etc so they can fit in and be liked. They are shallow little puddles who are afraid to question things, in case they make the other sheeple uncomfortable and lose their 'Like' status.

Oscar's evolve in life and over the ages. All starting with the Papa Oscar belief system, then the Chief Oscar belief system, followed by the King Oscar belief system, then the God Oscar belief system. Each societal transition in Oscar belief systems takes longer than the last and many Oscars are left lagging.

A declining percentage are still clinging desperately to the moral decay of their God Oscar phase. Many more are somewhere in the middle of the herd, fervently devout to their Govt Oscar belief system as they move ever closer to the flowering of the New World Oscar (MWO) paradigm. Otherwise known as the Hi Tech Shearing Shed. :yes:

I am not an Oscar, and would rather the comfort of knowledge of untruths at the expense of Oscar 'like' points thanks.


You are definitely not an Oscar.
You are a misguided, stupid and somewhat pompous idiot.
You would rather call people names that prove your point (and proving your point depends on cogent argument, not other peoples you tube video clips).

I asked you some questions that were germane to the issue, long ago.
You have so far avoided answering some of the most obvious faults in your conspiracy by prevaricating about "sheeple" and the like.
Come back when you have one ounce of actual evidence...

[mashman]

You are definitely not an Oscar.
You are a misguided, stupid and somewhat pompous idiot.
You would rather call people names that prove your point (and proving your point depends on cogent argument, not other peoples you tube video clips).

I asked you some questions that were germane to the issue, long ago.
You have so far avoided answering some of the most obvious faults in your conspiracy by prevaricating about "sheeple" and the like.
Come back when you have one ounce of actual evidence...

The Jokes and Humour thread is fourth from top. I'd redirect you to the Uber Irony thread, but the above would break it beyond a doubt and nothing would ever come close to be as ironic again... that and there isn't one, well, perhaps Religious Ravings, but I don't think god, if he exists, deserves to be lumped in along side your most stupid and ironic conspiracy post.

[Kickaha]

Highly advanced remote control technology was repeatedly tested by crashing numerous large airliners into purpose made mini mountains of solid concrete back in the 80's and 90's

How many is numerous?

I only ever saw one test in 1984 with a large airliner and didn't think it'd been done again until 2012

[Oscar]

The Jokes and Humour thread is fourth from top. I'd redirect you to the Uber Irony thread, but the above would break it beyond a doubt and nothing would ever come close to be as ironic again... that and there isn't one, well, perhaps Religious Ravings, but I don't think god, if he exists, deserves to be lumped in along side your most stupid and ironic conspiracy post.

Another blow-hard with nothing in the way of evidence.
What's your theory? Elevator maintenance?
The USAF didn't shoot any planes down?
The dog ate my homework?

You guys have nothing.

[Oscar]

Yeah! He was real. He (and many of his men incl his 2IC) were trained as terrorists and insurgents in America by the CIA and also received additional training in Afghanistan (and England) by both the CIA and MI6. They were trained to enhance the war against Russia in Afghanistan, because poppy production was in jeopardy (along with mineral [incl massive lithium reserves] and oil pipeline access). That has been pretty much conceded as fact by every govt and media group in existence, though there are differences in the level of details around whether training took place in the US and England.

Here is an indication of just how effective the intelligence community manipulation of your minds is.

Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility for the attack. I recall at least two occasions when the same footage and announcement (as below) was made in the mainstream media many years ago.. watch and learn/remember? (it's only a minute)


http://youtu.be/ulWWKK3MLJA


I can also recall news paper reports of several of the so called hijackers confirmed as turning up alive around the world (that one was flushed real quick and never spoken of again in the mainstream media). I didn't think to save a copy of the Herald as I didn't know that 90% of the kb members would forget that kind of stuff:rolleyes: Thankfully we have the internet and can readily confirm the possibility/probability (in balance with as much other researched data as possible) of % truth.... IF we are prepared to LOOK.

Some peoples denial is soooo strong that they can't even remember witnessing mainstream media news reports that conflict with big brothers versions of events........................ Like the BBC announcement that building 7 had just collapsed (filmed live.................with building 7 clearly standing tall in the background).... Hellllooooooo???

These inconvenient truths that accidentally slip through the helmsmen's hands get swallowed up pretty quick. However some are recorded and subsequently distributed over the net on sites like Youtube.. Surprise!

There are also recording from two bombings carried out in London which clearly show the same crisis actor at the two separate bombing sites. He was in bandages at the first bombing site and a spectator at the second... Hellllooooooooo! Anybody home???

I mean to say... come on people... don't be so goddam gullible

Yes planes were used. Highly advanced remote control technology was repeatedly tested by crashing numerous large airliners into purpose made mini mountains of solid concrete back in the 80's and 90's during studies into aircraft design improvements and inspired the development program that brought us "Predator Drones".

This gets tiring having to answer the same retarded questions and challenges over and over. All because people subconsciously block out and forget unsettling events.. or more often, because their memories are like fucking sieves.

I haven't got time to stop and answer the same questions over and over (often more than twice to the same people) when they are not genuinely interested in knowing any answers (because if they were, they would look into it themselves using google).

If you have an open mind and really want answers you can & will google the information yourself. It ain't like it's hard to find eh!

If not... Fuck off.

That said. I will help anyone (with links that they can research info from) who is genuinely interested and wants to PM me.

You have to do it yourself and absorb what is out there then set aside your biases/hopes/dreams and enter the uncomfortable world of balancing the probabilities honestly with yourself or you just won't believe it (unless your probability selection supports what you are most comfortable with :rolleyes:). Other people can't do it for you (other than Big brother, as he is in your face every day feeding you only what he needs you to know). That is the cycle that has to be broken. You have to learn to LOOK for and see and think for yourself in areas that you have become accustomed to ignoring. Except for dutifully absorbing Big brothers sound bites, that you rely on in order to pretend that you're a responsible citizen who is paying attention.

So to recap.
You have three points:

1. OBL denies the attack. So what - Al Queda took responsibility almost immediately. Notwithstanding that, the fact that OBL says he didn't plan the attack does not prove who did or didn't. Have you any evidence of who planned it?
2. Planes can be flown by remote control. So what? Have you evidence of the 911 planes been flown that way?
3. The BBC footage. Unsurprisngly, the BBC deny it and explain it here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/03/part_of_the_conspiracy_2.html

So for all your bluster, you have nothing.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Another blow-hard with nothing in the way of evidence.
What's your theory? Elevator maintenance?
The USAF didn't shoot any planes down?
The dog ate my homework?

You guys have nothing.

That's simply untrue. If you could just bring yourself to settle the fear tremors for a couple of hours and actually watched one of the videos you had been linked to repeatedly, you would realise what an absolute screaming fucktard you are. The fact that you haven't got the spine to do so, is the reason nobody who knows about these things is prepared to answer your questions.

You have to do it yourself or you won't learn anything because there is no one answer to one (or even a hundred questions) that in themselves are sufficient to understand what happened. There are literally thousands of factors that each individual must analyse for themselves. The depth of your stupidity is illustrated by your thinking that you can learn about the events through questioning other people for answers.

I swear that you are the most stupid fuckstain that I have ever encountered. I simply can not be fucked trying to communicate with you. It's like trying to play pinball with launching spring that isn't capable of hitting the ball hard enough to launch out the end of the chute. You are quasar stupid.

[mashman]

Another blow-hard with nothing in the way of evidence.
What's your theory? Elevator maintenance?
The USAF didn't shoot any planes down?
The dog ate my homework?

You guys have nothing.

Insurance job using a planned attack as a get out of jail free card. The how. I laugh when I hear about thermite etc... as if we don't have other weapons that could be used to turn materials into "putty". So yeah, big tin foil hat for you to rub your groin over.

[carbonhed]

there is no one answer to one (or even a hundred questions) that in themselves are sufficient to understand what happened. There are literally thousands of factors that each individual must analyse for themselves.


Occam's razor was invented for arrogant douchebags like you. Why go for the blindingly obvious, simplest answer when you can concoct an insane achitecture all of your own? Because it satisfies your own pathologies.

[Hinny]

You are definitely not an Oscar.
You are a misguided, stupid and somewhat pompous idiot.
You would rather call people names that prove your point (and proving your point depends on cogent argument, not other peoples you tube video clips).

I asked you some questions that were germane to the issue, long ago.
You have so far avoided answering some of the most obvious faults in your conspiracy by prevaricating about "sheeple" and the like.
Come back when you have one ounce of actual evidence...


How many is numerous?

I only ever saw one test in 1984 with a large airliner and didn't think it'd been done again until 2012


Occam's razor was invented for arrogant douchebags like you. Why go for the blindingly obvious, simplest answer when you can concoct an insane achitecture all of your own? Because it satisfies your own pathologies.


All of your guys questions are answered in the video I posted the link to.
Why do you continue with the same lines? All of your objections and counter theories are addressed.
Rather than trying to shove a conclusion down your throat the film offers evidence and then asks you to answer questions related to that evidence.
To me the evidence they produce which counters the official story is compelling.
Rather than finding the 'Truth Movement' "have nothing" you should see the 'Official Conspiracy theory' is preposterous.

I guess the film makers have had 12 years to develop their story whereas the official line was aired within 33 minutes of the first tower coming down - complete with a mini-documentary of bin Laden and al Qaeda. So not equally well developed stories.
The 911 Truth movement seem to insist they are not trying to prove any particular theory but trying to establish the truth by asking questions and providing evidence to counter the official story.
You should watch it. It is very enlightening.

[Hinny]

The fourth plane didn't hit its target only because the passengers learned what was up and then knew they had to try something - because there was no way out otherwise.

And what did they try?

[Hinny]

No amazing coincidence, just more rubbish.
Prior to 9/11, no western leader was going to give the order to shoot down a civilian airliner.
The hijackers knew that, so the alertness of the US air defense was completely irrelevant.

Even after the first one crashed, the chances of vectoring fighters to the remaining planes (or indeed just finding them) was approaching zero.

The military didn't need Western leaders orders to shoot down planes.
Exhibit: USS Vincenes, in Iranian territorial waters, shot down a commercial airliner - on a regular scheduled flight.
The US was ordered by the World Court to pay compensation for the lives of the people they had murdered.
No apology was ever given.

The engagement regime for internal flights was changed just prior to 911.
How did the hijackers know this?

How do you know they knew this?

Can your intel also answer these questions?:

Did they know (a)Rumsfeld was the only one able to give an engagement order and (b) he would be unavailable at that particular time?

Did they know the automatic surface to air missile defence system at the Pentagon would be turned off?

[Woodman]

Has anyone ever come out and admitted their part in the 9/11 conspiracy?

[mashman]

Has anyone ever come out and admitted their part in the 9/11 conspiracy?

Yup. I didn't do it.

[Oscar]

The military didn't need Western leaders orders to shoot down planes.
Exhibit: USS Vincenes, in Iranian territorial waters, shot down a commercial airliner - on a regular scheduled flight.
The US was ordered by the World Court to pay compensation for the lives of the people they had murdered.
No apology was ever given.

The engagement regime for internal flights was changed just prior to 911.
How did the hijackers know this?

How do you know they knew this?

Can your intel also answer these questions?:

Did they know (a)Rumsfeld was the only one able to give an engagement order and (b) he would be unavailable at that particular time?

Did they know the automatic surface to air missile defence system at the Pentagon would be turned off?

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible).

[flyingcrocodile46]

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible). :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Oscar]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

So you wanna tell us how you would vector a fighter plane to an airliner that had been hijacked and was off course?
Do you have any idea how many aircraft are in the air over the Eastern US at that time of the day?
Even if you find it, would you be able to catch it - how much of a head start does a an 800km/h 757 need over an F16 traveling at twice that speed?

You have no idea, do you?
You've just proved what sort of an idiot armchair warrior you are.

[mashman]

So you wanna tell us how you would vector a fighter plane to an airliner that had been hijacked and was off course?
Do you have any idea how many aircraft are in the air over the Eastern US at that time of the day?
Even if you find it, would you be able to catch it - how much of a head start does a an 800km/h 757 need over an F16 traveling at twice that speed?

You have no idea, do you?
You've just proved what sort of an idiot armchair warrior you are.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Hinny]

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible).

Dude! - really?

Maybe you should watch the movie.
I think it would help.

[ducatilover]

I like the comparing of different parts of information on the internet.
Because one will believe whatever suits them best, hence religions.

Flying Croc, come on mate. You have been ignoring a fair few questions, which makes the reading of this a bit beige really. I loves a good argument, but this shit slinging is just silly. I reckon some of this would have worked well in one of them study things I did that one time at some insignificant wool shed, furthering myself in to the dags and crutchings.

[pzkpfw]

And what did they try?

Is that a trick question?

It seems a bit retarded. (And pulling that line out of the rest of the post removes the point of it, which is relatively common tactic among the tin foilers; one of the reasons I generally don't get into this stuff any more.)

[GCSB Thought Police]

The fourth plane didn't hit its target only because the passengers learned what was up and then knew they had to try something - because there was no way out otherwise.



But then, according to the flying reptile, there were no people on the planes - the planes were under radio control. So the pasengers could not have taken action.

But then, that leaves the question of why the plane really crashed ...

However, I would dissuade any of you from persuing that line of enquiry - just as you should not pursue any of these conspiracy theories.

Now that the GCSB can legally spy on New Zealand citizens, we will be passing on information ot the US of A, and especially the NSA. So please, in your own interests, do not give us cause to notify the NSA - as most of you are intent on doing right now.

[mashman]

But then, according to the flying reptile, there were no people on the planes - the planes were under radio control. So the pasengers could not have taken action.

But then, that leaves the question of why the plane really crashed ...

However, I would dissuade any of you from persuing that line of enquiry - just as you should not pursue any of these conspiracy theories.

Now that the GCSB can legally spy on New Zealand citizens, we will be passing on information ot the US of A, and especially the NSA. So please, in your own interests, do not give us cause to notify the NSA - as most of you are intent on doing right now.

http://i.qkme.me/3rvhrq.jpg

[Hinny]

Is that a trick question?

It seems a bit retarded. (And pulling that line out of the rest of the post removes the point of it, which is relatively common tactic among the tin foilers; one of the reasons I generally don't get into this stuff any more.)

It is not a trick question.
I want to know what you think happened.
Furthermore I would like to know what makes you hold the views that you do.

[pzkpfw]

It is not a trick question.
I want to know what you think happened.
Furthermore I would like to know what makes you hold the views that you do.

Passengers found out that their plane would be used as a weapon, so there was no way out (no landing somewhere and hijackers making demands with hostages, as had occurred in the past) so they knew they had to do "something". What that was, was try to storm the cockpit, and when the hijackers knew they were in trouble they crashed the plane.

More or less.

And I believe what I do, because it's just so much more believable. The 9/11 attacks were sadly actually quite easy to achieve. Normal human error contributed*. Lots of innuendo and invisible proof comes out from the CT believers; none of it has ever been convincing.

(* it's much more believable that human error contributed to some of the security lapses, than the "perfection" that would be required for the claimed conspiracy to have been carried out.)

[Hinny]

Passengers found out that their plane would be used as a weapon, so there was no way out (no landing somewhere and hijackers making demands with hostages, as had occurred in the past) so they knew they had to do "something". What that was, was try to storm the cockpit, and when the hijackers knew they were in trouble they crashed the plane.

More or less.

And I believe what I do, because it's just so much more believable. The 9/11 attacks were sadly actually quite easy to achieve. Normal human error contributed*. Lots of innuendo and invisible proof comes out from the CT believers; none of it has ever been convincing.

(* it's much more believable that human error contributed to some of the security lapses, than the "perfection" that would be required for the claimed conspiracy to have been carried out.)

Urban myth.

[GCSB Thought Police]

Dissenters and 911 conspiracy supporters re-imaged as terrorists.

Well! we were told it was coming, now its official. This is how you snuff out truth and free speech in society.



http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/flyingcrocodile46/Screenshot_from_2013-09-19_00_51_04.jpg

It's such a shame you had to post this - but now you have can you see the relevence of the recent change to our legislation? We have been working closely with the powers in the US of A, more particularly with the NSA.

Now we can watch all New Zealanders for signs of this sort of activity. And this forum, along with others, is excellent ground on which to collect intellegence.

[puddytat]

Like Im really scared.......

I reckon you're Oscar in drag.

[Woodman]

[IMG]
It's such a shame you had to post this - but now you have can you see the relevence of the recent change to our legislation? We have been working closely with the powers in the US of A, more particularly with the NSA.

Now we can watch all New Zealanders for signs of this sort of activity. And this forum, along with others, is excellent ground on which to collect intellegence.

Are those criteria not obvious?? I fail to see where the issue is, shit its not even like its hidden.:facepalm:

[GCSB Thought Police]

Like Im really scared.......

I reckon you're Oscar in drag.

I'm terribly sorry, but you are wrong, and Oscar is not really what you believe him to be.


Are those criteria not obvious?? I fail to see where the issue is, shit its not even like its hidden.:facepalm:

It may not be hidden, but we discourage people from bringing it into the open like that.

[mashman]

I'm terribly sorry, but you are wrong, and Oscar is not really what you believe him to be.


Well he's not Big Bird that's fer fuckin sure. Guy Smiley perhaps.

[Oscar]

Like Im really scared.......

I reckon you're Oscar in drag.

But I'm already wearing Ladies Clothing...;)

[flyingcrocodile46]

It's such a shame you had to post this - but now you have can you see the relevence of the recent change to our legislation? We have been working closely with the powers in the US of A, more particularly with the NSA.

Now we can watch all New Zealanders for signs of this sort of activity. And this forum, along with others, is excellent ground on which to collect intellegence.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah! Good luck with that. :lol:

[flyingcrocodile46]

But I'm already wearing Ladies Clothing...;)

Fuck off Oscar. A tampon in your arse doesn't make you a cross dresser.

[Woodman]

Urban myth.

bollocks...............

[Road kill]

Or you could take the blue pill,,,

I don't give a fuck if the gov't is watching me and recording my sinns.

Take a picture cunt,it lasts longer:motu::nya:

[mashman]

Or you could take the blue pill,,,

I don't give a fuck if the gov't is watching me and recording my sinns.

Take a picture cunt,it lasts longer:motu::nya:

That's it. Just keep your head down. It's nice and safe that way.

[Hinny]

bollocks...............
What do you think happened?
What is the story you believe?

[Woodman]

What do you think happened?
What is the story you believe?

Not important what i think, can't prove anything, but "bollocks" was an apropriate reply to "urban myth" because you don't know what happened either.

[Hinny]

Not important what i think, can't prove anything, but "bollocks" was an apropriate reply to "urban myth" because you don't know what happened either.

I think in the light of what is known your reply was inane.

[Woodman]

I think in the light of what is known your reply was inane.

"known" by whom? the TFW's.... Give me a break.

[Madness]

And this forum, along with others, is excellent ground on which to collect intellegence.

It's spelt with two I's, Intelligence. You're welcome :niceone:

I suppose you go to the desert to source water too, huh?

[mashman]

It's spelt with two I's, Intelligence.

You're calling the GCSB one eyed. They're gonna getchu for that.

[R650R]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10133255/Killed-Kiwis-identity-kept-secret

Translations:
Consular assistance - that means the relevant NZ embassy is helping bring body home... which means they are 100% sure he's not a terrorist.

"All information about the New Zealander who died would remain a closely guarded secret to protect the family's privacy. " - Likely a serving soldier/sas or recently was an now a CIA/Freelance advisor to the rebels/al aqueda Syria version... really when has the govt been so concerned about families privacy...

[Katman]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons-opwc-confirms-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/5500017

[mashman]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons-opwc-confirms-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/5500017

That must be lies, it simply doesn't follow the official story.

[Indoo]

That must be lies, it simply doesn't follow the official story.

Yup you would have to be incredibly naive to believe Bashad handed over his entire arsenal or that the OPCW claimed the rebels used them, that's simply false.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yup you would have to be incredibly naive to dis-believe Bashad handed over his entire arsenal or that the OPCW claimed the rebels used them.

I fixed your naivety for you.

It's a fact that was relatively widely reported at the time. Including evidence that Turkey intelligence officers assisted in getting it into Syria.