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Lou Girardin
24th August 2005, 08:14
Poor misunderstood Donna Awatere-Huata is going to do jail time, what a shame.
At least her new tax-payer funded figure will be appreciated by the bubbaette she'll have for a cell mate.
I wonder what hubby, Wee Huata will get. He seemed pretty happy with the verdict though, two thumbs up on TV. maybe he's glad to be rid of her too.
Now, if only we could nail the rest of the pollies for their rorts.

T.I.E
24th August 2005, 08:17
yeah she is going to jail. but fuck me the tax payer is still paying for her.
we can't win.

vifferman
24th August 2005, 08:18
I liked the cartoon in The Harold this morning, of Awatere-Huata as medusa.

I'm pleased she got caught out - I was sure it was going to be another case of not enough evidence or whatever.

DemonWolf
24th August 2005, 08:19
My missus cracked up when she asked for bail..and the judge told her that she's going to jail.. and might as well start now!... funny shiz

sels1
24th August 2005, 08:25
I'm pleased she got caught out - I was sure it was going to be another case of not enough evidence or whatever.

I was worried about that too. Glad to see justice done. There is a few others that should join her, like the silk underwear buyer.

James Deuce
24th August 2005, 08:41
"Wee", ROFL, :rofl:

Hitcher
24th August 2005, 09:02
I am pleased with the outcome of this too. I was more upset by the Huata's attempts to pervert the course of justice than I was with the fraud. They are very naughty people.

John
24th August 2005, 09:06
You gotta agree with me, shes a crack whore - does anything for a dollar.

feistyredhead
24th August 2005, 09:08
someone of power miss-using our money got caught and dealt too...i hope she does not get special treatment in jail..she is a criminal just like the rest of them.

Beemer
24th August 2005, 09:10
She deserved to be sent to jail for that appalling hairstyle - my god, even Tina Turner did it better than her! One commentator said it was a style that should not be seen on females over the age of 12!

I liked Prebble's comment too, that she'd be back in a few years time, complete with new hairstyle, ready to do it again.

I'm surprised they didn't play the Maori bashing card though. I did have my doubts they would have enough evidence, especially when I found the chief prosecution witness had been done for fraud and later admitted she'd got away with even more than they did her for!

Paul in NZ
24th August 2005, 09:16
I'm surprised they didn't play the Maori bashing card though. !

I think a hell of a lot of Maori would like to bash her themselves.

Could have had a lot of mana if she had played it straight and been a much needed role model.

Oh well, just as well I'm perfect, now, where did I put those stones...

MSTRS
24th August 2005, 09:19
I'm just waiting for the news that she will be appealing (no, not THAT way. Sicko). This woman & her husband have made careers out of spending on themselves what isn't theirs to spend. They have become very clever at doing this (whole defence used Legal Aid) so does anyone think this little 'glitch' will stop them?

Beemer
24th August 2005, 10:11
I'm just waiting for the news that she will be appealing (no, not THAT way. Sicko). This woman & her husband have made careers out of spending on themselves what isn't theirs to spend. They have become very clever at doing this (whole defence used Legal Aid) so does anyone think this little 'glitch' will stop them?

Slight spelling error methinks! Surely you meant "appalling"! I can't believe they got legal aid; now they have been convicted I feel they should have to pay that back.

They will return, and no doubt they will rip someone else off when they do. She had it all, but greed is a powerful thing. Glad they got caught!

Lias
24th August 2005, 16:09
With a bit of luck the courts will order all their assets sold to pay for the reperations.

balans
24th August 2005, 16:17
I thought she looked a lot like Michael Jackson while on trial.

WRT
24th August 2005, 16:21
Hey, just as a point of interest, I remember ages ago when Act first kicked her out, they were trying to get her out of parliment before some deadline passed that would mean she got some sort of lifetime MP priviledges - does anyone know if they succeeded in the end? Or are we still "sponsoring" her for flights, etc? (not that she will be taking advantage of those while in jail - thank fuck).

Paul in NZ
24th August 2005, 16:55
Hey - Shes an easy target and did a really stupid thing but... Don't forget that she/they also did a lot of genuinely good and clever stuff as well... They just got a bit greedy and started to believe the BS.

We are all made of the same stuff folks. We are all humans and should not be too smug because often, there but for the grace of god....

Cheers

spudchucka
24th August 2005, 17:44
Hey - Shes an easy target and did a really stupid thing but... Don't forget that she/they also did a lot of genuinely good and clever stuff as well... They just got a bit greedy and started to believe the BS.

We are all made of the same stuff folks. We are all humans and should not be too smug because often, there but for the grace of god....

Cheers
The only clever stuff they did involved lining their own pockets with tax payer money. Makes you wonder how much they got away with that hasn't been uncovered.

scumdog
24th August 2005, 17:51
Tell the thieving bitch we want the staple from her stomach back.... :mad:

Storm
24th August 2005, 18:20
"kin oath- what that man said

bane
24th August 2005, 18:43
Don't forget that she/they also did a lot of genuinely good and clever stuff as well...

Agree Paul. Im gutted that shes done this - dont get me wrong im pleased they have been stopped and face an appropriate punishment... but Donna Awatere-Huata been one of the few people actually making sense when it came to education. If they had just walked the talk...

Hitcher
24th August 2005, 19:50
Hey, just as a point of interest, I remember ages ago when Act first kicked her out, they were trying to get her out of parliment before some deadline passed that would mean she got some sort of lifetime MP priviledges - does anyone know if they succeeded in the end? Or are we still "sponsoring" her for flights, etc? (not that she will be taking advantage of those while in jail - thank fuck).
Rest easily, Taxpayer. She was outted in time. She did not pass "go" and did not collect $200.

Hitcher
24th August 2005, 19:51
Tell the thieving bitch we want the staple from her stomach back...
Nah. Leave it there. That way she'll be cheaper to run in prison.

Storm
24th August 2005, 20:33
Rest easily, Taxpayer. She was outted in time. She did not pass "go" and did not collect $200.

Thank you for making this taxpayers day :clap:

jimbo600
24th August 2005, 20:55
Glad the lying thieving ho is going to do time. Lots of it too I hope. Stealing off a charity trust for fucks sake.

inlinefour
25th August 2005, 02:41
Double the cows sentance because of the fact she was flogging money intended for kids. Plus the total lack of morals displayed at the trial. Does she think that we are all that stoopid? Lying about it wont help and many of us know that is all she is doing. I guess thats one arsehole that will not return to politics. Oh and if she'd used they money of a bike, I could understand. But using it to stop being a fat tart? LOL, where she is going I bet it all returns. So she'll be a stoopid fat tart with a total lack of morals.... :puke:

Lou Girardin
25th August 2005, 12:36
Con artists are very convincing and pleasant people, as some of these posts show.
Still stole from kids though.

Beemer
25th August 2005, 14:52
I just read something in the paper about her first day in prison. Got up, ate two Weetbix and toast for breakfast, walked past other inmates who shouted something about her stealing from Maori children, went to her cell and cried. Only got two sammies for lunch as she is not working. Had 'not-diet-friendly' meal of pie and fried mashed potato balls for dinner, then locked back in her cell.

Everybody say "aaww!" :violin:

Whether or not she ever did any good in her life before being found out as a thief is irrelevant. She succumbed to temptation and greed and now has to pay for it. :whocares:

placidfemme
25th August 2005, 16:14
Everybody say "aaww!" :violin:

:violin: awwwwwwwww :violin:

By the way... I'm running for parliment and I promise to start up a charity for disadvantaged gay youths... then I'll use the donations and govt funding to pay for my overseas holiday and plastic sergury (sp)

Vote for me! At least I'm honest!

yungatart
25th August 2005, 16:33
The only clever stuff they did involved lining their own pockets with tax payer money. Makes you wonder how much they got away with that hasn't been uncovered.
The reading programme she introduced is fantastic for reluctant readers-its a real shame that outright greed got in the way of something that could have made a real difference to kids in our schools. I have no sympathy for her but am sad for all the kids that will miss out - real sad that a heap of them are kids of her own race too. Don't understand how people can do that to kids.

Lias
25th August 2005, 16:33
By the way... I'm running for parliment and I promise to start up a charity for disadvantaged gay youths... then I'll use the donations and govt funding to pay for my overseas holiday and plastic sergury (sp)

Vote for me! At least I'm honest!

Well if you promise to up the content of lesbian porn on state funded broadcast TV I'm sure you'll get the votes of a good chunk of KB :rofl:

Hitcher
25th August 2005, 16:38
Well if you promise to up the content of lesbian porn on state funded broadcast TV I'm sure you'll get the votes of a good chunk of KB
I am sure that the State broadcaster's predeliction for inappropriate insertion of advertising material and obsession with political correctness would cool the urges of even the most resolute pervert (well, maybe with a couple of possible exceptions...). It would have to be narrated by David Attenborough.

placidfemme
25th August 2005, 18:05
Well if you promise to up the content of lesbian porn on state funded broadcast TV I'm sure you'll get the votes of a good chunk of KB :rofl:

well that was an option we (me, myself and I... the three most important people in my party...) were considering... however our major sponsor... density cult higghly object to the use of women objectifing themselves to the population... however, they may decided to change thier minds if I promise them 10% of taxes as tithing...

Phurrball
25th August 2005, 18:20
... It would have to be narrated by David Attenborough.

That particular state broadcaster seems to like inappropriate soundtracks. A while ago the voice-over promo for that documentary with the horribly burnt girl was backed by their bouncy, happy TV One music. Talk about incongruous!

David Attenborough narrating porn - there's bound to be a sicko somewhere that'd get off on that... :no:

spudchucka
25th August 2005, 20:43
The reading programme she introduced is fantastic for reluctant readers-its a real shame that outright greed got in the way of something that could have made a real difference to kids in our schools. I have no sympathy for her but am sad for all the kids that will miss out - real sad that a heap of them are kids of her own race too. Don't understand how people can do that to kids.
At least the charity can continue to function without their influence.

Brian d marge
26th August 2005, 03:33
She deserved to be sent to jail for that appalling hairstyle - my god, even Tina Turner did it better than her! One commentator said it was a style that should not be seen on females over the age of 12!

I liked Prebble's comment too, that she'd be back in a few years time, complete with new hairstyle, ready to do it again.
I did have my doubts they would have enough evidence, especially when I found the chief prosecution witness had been done for fraud and later admitted she'd got away with even more than they did her for!


Yes she needed 20 years hard labor for the haircut alone ...

But I just read ,,she is (possibly) going to get a chalet, 4 nice people in a house , with a trip to the supermarket , crochet evenings and tv s in the bedroom ,,AND Free?? education ,,,

HOW OH HOW ,,can I get there ......If I ripped off 80 k from kids ,,,( no prior ..oh there was that no seat belt fine in 91 ,,) ,,,I would be waking up next to an educationally challanged sub species with a taste for fresh meat ,,,)

She DID the CRIME so she to use a well hackneyed line ,,,does the time

Stephen

Beemer
28th August 2005, 12:01
Oh, this takes the cake, from today's news on Stuff:

"Donna Awatere Huata is the victim of a racist justice system, say Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples and candidate Hone Harawira.

Awatere Huata was convicted in Auckland District Court last week of defrauding the Pipi Foundation, and was remanded in custody awaiting sentence next month. The Serious Fraud Office is seeking a sentence of at least two years' jail.

Awatere Huata had done what hundreds of thousands of white people had got away with, said Harawira.

Harawira, a friend of Awatere Huata for 30 years, compared her situation to that of millionaire property developer David Henderson, convicted for trying to buy cocaine and who was not jailed or fined after he donated $10,000 to a drug rehabilitation programme. (This is because of the laws regarding this - he admitted the offence but the maximum fine was only a few hundred dollars - the sentence for fraud is jail!)

Asked why Awatere Huata seemed certain to be facing jail, Harawira said it was because New Zealand had a racist justice system.

"Maori people up and down the country are not surprised by what's happened because it happens to them all the time. How many corporate guys go to jail? This is her first time (offending) and she's going to jail."

Sharples said he agreed racism was a factor behind the court's treatment of Awatere Huata.

"If this was a middle-class person from Remuera, there's no question they'd be dealt with so harshly."

Sharples said the length of sentence expected was disgusting and he was shattered by it.

"There are many cases where people have been treated lightly for fraud or have got off with no punishment," Sharples said.

"There's an element of racism in it and I'm going to be vocal about it." (So because others got treated differently, she should be too - isn't THAT racist?)

Many Maori were angered by Awatere Huata's conviction, Sharples said.

"There will be protests, big time, from Maori and I will lead the charge."

Sharples said he wanted to visit Awatere Huata in prison this week, and hoped he could help present mitigating factors to the court at her sentencing.

Harawira said Awatere Huata should get a light smack on the hand, not jail, and called for a review of the justice system and its treatment of Maori defendants.

"There are too many Maori in jail and they can't all be criminals." (Agh, she deserved a smack on the hand for stealing $80,000? No wonder so many Maori in jail believe they shouldn't be there if this is their attitude - "oh bro, I didn't mean to steal all your stuff, just give me a telling off and I won't do it again!")

Awatere Huata was a good leader and mother and was totally honest, Harawira said.

"She ain't Jesus by any stretch of the imagination, but she is committed to her values." (Wrong sex for a start...)

Awatere Huata's lawyers had sought bail so she could settle family and business matters before being jailed, and said there was no risk that she would flee, but Judge Roderick Joyce refused bail.

Harawira said it was unfair to Awatere Huata's four children to not let her say goodbye to them before being jailed.

Sharples agreed she should have been bailed.

"It's absolutely disgraceful."

scumdog
28th August 2005, 12:09
And why aren't the feminists jumping on the band-wagon too? and the bad hair people? and those over 40 years old?? I mean, she's a member of those groups too eh?

Racist my arse!

Storm
28th August 2005, 12:13
Oh FFS, some one break those idiots jaws so I dont have to listen to the crap spewing forth

TLDV8
28th August 2005, 12:54
It's not like she will be doing hard labour........i worked on the new Womans Correctional Centre at Wiri... $152 million.. lots of grass..single units with there own shower and ammenities,some double also,you would be hard pressed to recognize it as an institution,it is quite "flash " ...... even a marai..lets not mention the Moat as you enter the main building..one is finished up north and another is being built at Hampton Downs :violin: it will probably have a waiting list to get in once it is finished ..Club Med/Wiri

onearmedbandit
28th August 2005, 14:12
Oh, this takes the cake, from today's news on Stuff:

"Donna Awatere Huata is the victim of a racist justice system, say Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples and candidate Hone Harawira.

Awatere Huata was convicted in Auckland District Court last week of defrauding the Pipi Foundation, and was remanded in custody awaiting sentence next month. The Serious Fraud Office is seeking a sentence of at least two years' jail.

Awatere Huata had done what hundreds of thousands of white people had got away with, said Harawira.

Harawira, a friend of Awatere Huata for 30 years, compared her situation to that of millionaire property developer David Henderson, convicted for trying to buy cocaine and who was not jailed or fined after he donated $10,000 to a drug rehabilitation programme. (This is because of the laws regarding this - he admitted the offence but the maximum fine was only a few hundred dollars - the sentence for fraud is jail!)

Asked why Awatere Huata seemed certain to be facing jail, Harawira said it was because New Zealand had a racist justice system.

"Maori people up and down the country are not surprised by what's happened because it happens to them all the time. How many corporate guys go to jail? This is her first time (offending) and she's going to jail."

Sharples said he agreed racism was a factor behind the court's treatment of Awatere Huata.

"If this was a middle-class person from Remuera, there's no question they'd be dealt with so harshly."

Sharples said the length of sentence expected was disgusting and he was shattered by it.

"There are many cases where people have been treated lightly for fraud or have got off with no punishment," Sharples said.

"There's an element of racism in it and I'm going to be vocal about it." (So because others got treated differently, she should be too - isn't THAT racist?)

Many Maori were angered by Awatere Huata's conviction, Sharples said.

"There will be protests, big time, from Maori and I will lead the charge."

Sharples said he wanted to visit Awatere Huata in prison this week, and hoped he could help present mitigating factors to the court at her sentencing.

Harawira said Awatere Huata should get a light smack on the hand, not jail, and called for a review of the justice system and its treatment of Maori defendants.

"There are too many Maori in jail and they can't all be criminals." (Agh, she deserved a smack on the hand for stealing $80,000? No wonder so many Maori in jail believe they shouldn't be there if this is their attitude - "oh bro, I didn't mean to steal all your stuff, just give me a telling off and I won't do it again!")

Awatere Huata was a good leader and mother and was totally honest, Harawira said.

"She ain't Jesus by any stretch of the imagination, but she is committed to her values." (Wrong sex for a start...)

Awatere Huata's lawyers had sought bail so she could settle family and business matters before being jailed, and said there was no risk that she would flee, but Judge Roderick Joyce refused bail.

Harawira said it was unfair to Awatere Huata's four children to not let her say goodbye to them before being jailed.

Sharples agreed she should have been bailed.

"It's absolutely disgraceful."

Read that in todays Sunday Star-Times as well. We all were in hysterics at work. Fucking funny column, should make it a regular and put it in the funnies section. What a fucking joke.

Beemer
28th August 2005, 15:37
Not that I would have voted for him even if he was my local candidate, but Pita Sharples has lost every ounce of credibility he may have had with this load of crap. I reckon the comment from a woman on her first day in jail was on the mark: "how do you feel stealing from Maori children?"

I hope she ends her jail term in no doubt that she was jailed because she was a greedy, thieving con artist, not a poor hard-done by Maori. :violin:

TLDV8
28th August 2005, 17:08
At least they stuck to their story......... how does the saying go.. De nile isn't just a river in Egypt.

Hitcher
28th August 2005, 19:30
At least they stuck to their story......... how does the saying go.. De nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
And Libido isn't the capital of Paraguay...

bane
28th August 2005, 20:16
although im not buying this racist line crap, I do wonder why Donna was remanded to prison to wait for sentencing - Im no expert, but isnt this unusual step for the type of offending?

Skyryder
28th August 2005, 20:27
Sunday The TV show had a story on the Huata's. It seems that they have nicked far more than they were charged with. It appears that the Huata buisness may have recived some of our taxpayer money. This too the tune of a million dollars. There is an on going investigation about their finances concerning their getting legal aid. This saga is not over yet.

The media might get a bashing on some issues but when it comes to where our money goes.........thank god we have them.

Skyryder

Lou Girardin
29th August 2005, 08:14
It seems that Wee and Poo, sorry, Donna are being investigated for fraud. It appears that they salted away some dosh secretly so that they could get legal aid.
These two are the very definition of hubris. They get caught once and still believe they can get away with conning everyone.
As for Harawira and Sharples, the more they spout this mindless crap, they more loathed they will be by the majority population. They should keep it up.

MSTRS
29th August 2005, 09:27
There is an on going investigation about their finances concerning their getting legal aid. This saga is not over yet.

Skyryder
See my post (#12). And Lou, you are right. Nothing these two do/have done surprises me. Leeches the pair of them. Oh - and another thing - I can confidently predict that they didn't do it without help. What I do have trouble with is the support from supposedly highly educated & intelligent people like Sharples etc. Seems to me that he/they could be implicit in the events that lead us to this point.

kerryg
30th August 2005, 15:47
"Donna Awatere Huata is the victim of a racist justice system, say Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples and candidate Hone Harawira.

"

Got no sympathy for an MP (!!) who cynically steals $80k of taxpayer money from a reading scheme she promulgated targeted at educationally under-achieving Maori children. It's contemptible. It's worse than contemptible. Better she robbed a bank. Nothing personal against Donna Awatere-Huata, don't know the woman and don't care what race she is. That Pita Sharples et al would compare her offence with David Henderson's buying a small quantity of cocaine for his personal use is patently ludicrous. That they should see this as an example of racism is nothing short of lunatic.

Funny thing was that I was (dare I confess this) thinking ...just considering as one of my voting options now that we have this damn complicated MMP system....of slinging a vote the way of Pita Sharples who's standing for the Maori party out my way. Always seemed a moderate and intelligent fella, and well-educated too...but this has poisoned me against him now.

I once met Don Brash in his kiwifruit days and he came across as a pompous self-important over-bearing twat...but he's got my vote now after reading how that arsehole Hone Harawira (son of that bitch Titewhai...) likened some elements in Brash's speech at Orewa yesterday to "Hitler's plans for the Jews...."!!!!!!!!!! WTF. You may not agree with Brash or the policies he represents but it's a long way from looking at cutting funding to Te Puni Kokiri (or whatever the f**K it is) to.... the gas ovens of Auschwitz, the Beast of Belsen, Josef Mengele...It's so stupid, it's beyond stupid. Who do they buys into this shite??

I dunno. Mebbe Harawira and Sharples think they will get into Parliament this way...but not with my vote, sunshine..Let's have a Pakeha backlash!!!

Lou Girardin
30th August 2005, 15:53
What's cristal nacht in Maori?

Beemer
30th August 2005, 16:05
although im not buying this racist line crap, I do wonder why Donna was remanded to prison to wait for sentencing - Im no expert, but isnt this unusual step for the type of offending?

I think if the sentence (no matter what the crime) is one that involves jail time, remand in custody is automatic.

kerryg
30th August 2005, 16:14
What's cristal nacht in Maori?


I dunno..but I think if I was Jewish (or a gypsy or gay) I think I might find Harawira's analogy insulting to those who suffered at the hands of the Nazis. It trivialises something very terrible in our recent history for the sake of making a crude, self-serving political point, and actually feeds the very sort of racial hatred that it pretends to criticise. Who's for setting up a NZ chapter of the KKK???? (No...I don't really mean that...but that's one of the risks of promoting racial hatred, isn't it?)

Beemer
30th August 2005, 23:38
Bloody hell, do any of these Maori party politicians (especially this one, who was either unemployed or on the DPB when she got into Parliament) realise how stupid they are making themselves appear by supporting Huata? This is the latest - from Tariana Turia:

Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia today protested convicted fraudster Donna Awatere Huata's innocence claiming the court got it wrong.

Her outburst comes three days after co-leader Pita Sharples and fellow Maori Party candidate Hone Harawira caused an outcry when they said the treatment of the former ACT MP was racist.

The duo said she was treated more harshly than white people on similar charges but Mrs Turia went even further today saying Awatere Huata had committed no crime.

Awatere Huata is facing a jail term after being found guilty of fleecing the Pipi Foundation - a trust set up to improve the literacy skills of Maori children - of more than $80,000.

Mrs Turia said on National Radio today that Awatere Huata had been treated unfairly and had done more for Maori than many others.

She said Awatere Huata was paid to write reading books and she "earned that money from the Ministry of Education."

Questioned about how she could say Awatere Huata had done nothing wrong when a court found her guilty of "ripping off" Maori children, Mrs Turia replied: "How dare you say she ripped our people off." (Oh yeah, I bet she'd be dancing to a different tune if the offender had been white)

She added that the courts were not always right.

"We've seen people go to jail for life when the courts have got it wrong."

Mrs Turia also said it was unfair that Awatere Huata was refused bail when it was granted to paedophiles.

Justice Minister Phil Goff has rejected comments that race was an issue in the case.

"Awatere Huata abused her position to rip money off from kids who should have been the beneficiaries of it," he said.

"It is a tragedy that someone who could have used her leadership skills to benefit these kids fell victim to self-interest and greed."

Lawyer Philip Morgan QC said today it was not unusual for people who were likely to be sentenced to jail to be refused bail.

The high number of Maori in jails was more about education and employment issues than a problem with the justice system, he said.

James Deuce
31st August 2005, 00:02
Blimey. I'd been considering a Maori Party vote because I thought Pita (even though it was spelt "Peter" when I met him) Sharples would be a good bloke to have in Parliament, a moderating force in the ongoing development of an integrated NZ culture. I hate being proved wrong, especially this way. That Harawira woman has always been mental, but I'd rather her in the public eye, than scheming in secret.

Sigh.

Hitcher
31st August 2005, 08:48
Like Jim, I had recently been impressed by some of the utterances coming from the mouths of Maori Party members. But that has all changed given Mrs Turia's latest utterances regarding the Huatas. The scary thing is that here is a woman, potentially capable of holding the balance of power after the election, who has no concept or understanding of right and wrong as framed by New Zealand law.

spudchucka
31st August 2005, 08:58
Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia today protested convicted fraudster Donna Awatere Huata's innocence claiming the court got it wrong.
She has history for meddling with the justice system. She was accussed in the past of using her ministerial influence to get her imprisoned rellies transferred to minimum security facilities and to prisons that were closer to their families.

Beemer
31st August 2005, 09:03
I only hope all those who had considered voting for them now take a second look and realise they are guilty of double standards. Unfortunately Turia will most likely hold her seat so we have to put up with her stupid ravings again, but I think the rest of the candidates will be hard pressed to make up a posse, let alone a cabinet.

I'm sick of all the whinging about how many of 'their' people are in jail undeservedly - I'm sorry, but they are in there because they got caught doing wrong, not because they are Maori. I'm also sick of them blaming all their ills on the Europeans because they get the same opportunities as the rest of us (often more) and it's not our fault they choose not to take advantage of them. How long have Europeans been here? Have no Maori people ever achieved greatness through education in that time?

Hell, it's getting to the stage that the words 'All Black' refer to the makeup of the team, not its name - and you don't hear any complaints about how racist that is!

spudchucka
31st August 2005, 09:03
Blimey. I'd been considering a Maori Party vote because I thought Pita (even though it was spelt "Peter" when I met him) Sharples would be a good bloke to have in Parliament, a moderating force in the ongoing development of an integrated NZ culture. I hate being proved wrong, especially this way. That Harawira woman has always been mental, but I'd rather her in the public eye, than scheming in secret.

Sigh.
I've met Pita once about six years ago and I would have to say that he was a really decent guy. It seems however that politics brings out sides of people you simply can't see in a one off meeting.

As a Maori leader I still prefer him to Turia or Harawera.

Skyryder
31st August 2005, 19:37
I thought she looked a lot like Michael Jackson while on trial.

Me too. Guilty as Hell


Skyryder

Storm
31st August 2005, 19:57
Well put that man-short and sharp :)

bane
31st August 2005, 21:03
I think if the sentence (no matter what the crime) is one that involves jail time, remand in custody is automatic.


Mrs Turia also said it was unfair that Awatere Huata was refused bail when it was granted to paedophiles.

A very good point from Tariana (cant believe I just said that...) - Cappell was bailed before being sentenced.

However I find it ironic that all this support from Maori politicians has come out of the woodwork. Huata was generally treated with distain due to her choice of political vehicle.