Can we make a star on Earth?

[mashman]

Interesting look at how far we've come with fusion. And I have to laugh when the scientists call for more funding to avert what some would see as a crisis. Why does money hamper such important work? Seems a little silly really.

Anyhoo, it's an interesting watch (http://www.videoneat.com/documentaries/968/can-we-make-a-star-on-earth-watch-online) (iffen ye like that sort of thing).

[flyingcrocodile46]

Made me feel better about the odds of wining Lotto :msn-wink:

[jonbuoy]

Unlimited energy zero pollution whats not to like, we can even start flinging in our old highly toxic chemical and fission nuclear waste and turn it into pure clean energy. Could start huge plants de-contaminating the seas and scrubbing our own atmosphere of pollutants, recycling land fill sites to re-cycle precious materials. The possibilities of unlimited energy are boundless. Of course someone will figure out a way to turn it into a destructive force as well :crazy:

[Hitcher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WP6POdTgY

[flyingcrocodile46]

What I can't understand/agree with, is locking Tesla's 100 year old patents up so no one can copy hi inventions. The man was a genius MORE than 100 years ahead of his time. He had a working prototype of a generator (not the right word) in his work shop that was drawing electricity out of the ether then broadcasting it through the airwaves to his hotel to power his home.... 100 years ago.

[mashman]

What I can't understand/agree with, is locking Tesla's 100 year old patents up so no one can copy hi inventions. The man was a genius MORE than 100 years ahead of his time. He had a working prototype of a generator (not the right word) in his work shop that was drawing electricity out of the ether then broadcasting it through the airwaves to his hotel to power his home.... 100 years ago.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7137/7472278106_53aeed043c_z.jpg

Why else?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Why else?

Yup!

What amazes is that his machines that did this were witnessed by all the worlds leading experts and documented as doing exactly what he said they did. No problems with the history books on that, or the fact that all his patents went to parties like Edison, JP Morgan and Westinghouse then the US Govt took all the really good stuff that was left. All documented and verifiable. No conspiracy there.

But the moment you suggest that his inventions and/or the inventions of so, so many others have and still are being suppressed...:eek5: You are a TFH nutter spreading conspiracies. :crazy:

That's right! People who read the history books (You know! the text below the pictures), Yup! They're the crazy ones.:facepalm:

What's more! If they fail to answer all the inane questions and straw man theories that are put forward to them by the terrified Oscar's of the world (because the Oscar's want to pretend they aren't in denial :tugger:) who steadfastly/illogically refuse to research hundreds or thousands of history books and learn about it themselves (or even watch a concise conveniently fact filled YouTube fucking documentary)... Well! Then they are full of shit as well. :facepalm:

[paturoa]

What I can't understand/agree with, is locking Tesla's 100 year old patents up so no one can copy hi inventions.

A couple of laws regarding patents is that they are available to read and have a limited span, usually 20 years after filing. So these 100 year old patents are now available (about 80 years ago) for you and me to make a huge fortune:yes:.

[flyingcrocodile46]

A couple of laws regarding patents is that they are available to read and have a limited span, usually 20 years after filing. So these 100 year old patents are now available (about 80 years ago) for you and me to make a huge fortune:yes:.

Unfortunately, not the ones confiscate by the US govt

[Woodman]

Yup!

What amazes is that his machines that did this were witnessed by all the worlds leading experts and documented as doing exactly what he said they did. No problems with the history books on that, or the fact that all his patents went to parties like Edison, JP Morgan and Westinghouse then the US Govt took all the really good stuff that was left. All documented and verifiable. No conspiracy there.

But the moment you suggest that his inventions and/or the inventions of so, so many others have and still are being suppressed...:eek5: You are a TFH nutter spreading conspiracies. :crazy:

That's right! People who read the history books (You know! the text below the pictures), Yup! They're the crazy ones.:facepalm:

What's more! If they fail to answer all the inane questions and straw man theories that are put forward to them by the terrified Oscar's of the world (because the Oscar's want to pretend they aren't in denial :tugger:) who steadfastly/illogically refuse to research hundreds or thousands of history books and learn about it themselves (or even watch a concise conveniently fact filled YouTube fucking documentary)... Well! Then they are full of shit as well. :facepalm:


Name two of the history books and i will check for myself to seewhat they say and if teslas shit worked because I have it on good authority that his power transmitting device was a crock of shit.
Willing to re - educate myself though.

[mashman]

Yup!

What amazes is that his machines that did this were witnessed by all the worlds leading experts and documented as doing exactly what he said they did. No problems with the history books on that, or the fact that all his patents went to parties like Edison, JP Morgan and Westinghouse then the US Govt took all the really good stuff that was left. All documented and verifiable. No conspiracy there.

But the moment you suggest that his inventions and/or the inventions of so, so many others have and still are being suppressed...:eek5: You are a TFH nutter spreading conspiracies. :crazy:

That's right! People who read the history books (You know! the text below the pictures), Yup! They're the crazy ones.:facepalm:

What's more! If they fail to answer all the inane questions and straw man theories that are put forward to them by the terrified Oscar's of the world (because the Oscar's want to pretend they aren't in denial :tugger:) who steadfastly/illogically refuse to research hundreds or thousands of history books and learn about it themselves (or even watch a concise conveniently fact filled YouTube fucking documentary)... Well! Then they are full of shit as well. :facepalm:

You gotta wonder how long it would take us to take to build the protected gizmo's and what benefits would be felt in every corner of the globe.

"The US Patent Office reports that these patents are "protected" for "National Security reasons". Reference: SECRECY ORDER-(Title 35, United States Code (1952), sections 181-188) Reference: The US military reviews all patents before a examiner sees them. The Government could take a patent away from you and classify it as secret."

"Tom Valone is a former patent examiner who was fired years ago from the patent office and recently won a lawsuit against the US Patent Office. Tom was awarded reinstatement and six years of back pay. Dr Thomas Valone estimated that patent applications for FREE ENERGY related technology have been "secretized" over 3,000 times over the years." (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm)

[Ocean1]

Unfortunately, not the ones confiscate by the US govt

Like this one?

http://www.google.com/patents/US1119732

[flyingcrocodile46]

Like this one?

http://www.google.com/patents/US1119732

Yup! That's the sucker. Although he made a fully functioning scale model, the patent doesn't give all of the workings (those remained in his head and diaries and are now the property of the US govt) only the basics of the theories and functions/applications.

As he was nearing completion of the full size model that he was making (financed by JP Morgan) Morgan found out that there was no way of metering the power that was being used, so he ordered it destroyed because he couldn't make any money out of it. Tosser.

Interesting thing is that 100 years later we finally have appliances that can be wirelessly charged (using conventional power supplies)

[Kickaha]

What I can't understand/agree with, is locking Tesla's 100 year old patents up so no one can copy hi inventions. The man was a genius MORE than 100 years ahead of his time. He had a working prototype of a generator (not the right word) in his work shop that was drawing electricity out of the ether then broadcasting it through the airwaves to his hotel to power his home.... 100 years ago.

He demonstrated it on stage at an exhibition, there doesn't appear to anything documented that shows he did anything more than that


As he was nearing completion of the full size model that he was making (financed by JP Morgan) Morgan found out that there was no way of metering the power that was being used, so he ordered it destroyed because he couldn't make any money out of it. Tosser.

J P Morgan didn't order the tower destroyed but had pulled his backing, the tower wasn't destroyed until several years after they had stopped using it

[flyingcrocodile46]

Name two of the history books and i will check for myself to seewhat they say and if teslas shit worked because I have it on good authority that his power transmitting device was a crock of shit.
Willing to re - educate myself though.


There aren't one or two books that tell all about his inventions and the demonstrations he put on. The mans accomplishments were pushed to the background while others like edison and marconi were given credit for their inventions which were either (in the case of edison, stolen) and in the case of marconi (invented after Tesla had already invented them). The references/records of many of these events only existed in news papers and scientific journals of the time, and some in his biography and documentaries and books published by researchers who did the research of thousands of documents from the period. Over the years I have read much and watched many documentaries that contained quotes to original documents, but I never thought to write them all down for you. Hell! I didn't even know you. You are just going to have to do it for yourself. Google is your friend.

However, as always I have a YouTube taster which shouldn't stretch your attention span too greatly :lol:


http://youtu.be/iEJNJ0rFSe8

[Winston001]

A star has already been done Mashie. CERN created a quark-gluon plasma 18 months ago with a temperature of 3 billion degrees Kelvin. That is magnitudes hotter than the Sun.

[mashman]

A star has already been done Mashie. CERN created a quark-gluon plasma 18 months ago with a temperature of 3 billion degrees Kelvin. That is magnitudes hotter than the Sun.

Did it last as long as the KSTAR effort?

[Woodman]

Yup!

What amazes is that his machines that did this were witnessed by all the worlds leading experts and documented as doing exactly what he said they did. No problems with the history books on that,


People who read the history books (You know! the text below the pictures), Yup! They're the crazy ones.:facepalm:




There aren't one or two books that tell all about his inventions and the demonstrations he put on. The mans accomplishments were pushed to the background while others like edison and marconi were given credit for their inventions which were either (in the case of edison, stolen) and in the case of marconi (invented after Tesla had already invented them). The references/records of many of these events only existed in news papers and scientific journals of the time, and some in his biography and documentaries and books published by researchers who did the research of thousands of documents from the period. Over the years I have read much and watched many documentaries that contained quotes to original documents, but I never thought to write them all down for you. Hell! I didn't even know you. You are just going to have to do it for yourself. Google is your friend.

However, as always I have a YouTube taster which shouldn't stretch your attention span too greatly :lol:



Eeerrmmmm???? I,ll get back to ya

[Berries]

Ahhhh. So this isn't a Susan Boyle thread?

[jonbuoy]

A star has already been done Mashie. CERN created a quark-gluon plasma 18 months ago with a temperature of 3 billion degrees Kelvin. That is magnitudes hotter than the Sun.

Don´t think it was a fusion reaction though?

[Winston001]

Fusion smugeion whatever. :D

I've been keeping an eye on the ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) research facility in France which is building a fusion reactor. Fascinating stuff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/one-giant-leap-for-mankind-13bn-iter-project-makes-breakthrough-in-the-quest-for-nuclear-fusion-a-solution-to-climate-change-and-an-age-of-clean-cheap-energy-8590480.html

[jonbuoy]

Definitely the way forward for the human race. If only we weren´t so retarded in our thinking. Imagine how many experimental reactors we could have made for 5 Trillion dollars wasted on the Iraq/Afghanistan wars, might even be enough change left over for NASA to launch a manned mars mission.

[Akzle]

vids:
"the missing secrets of tesla"
"the coral castles" (ish)

free energy deviced, antri grav. there's some cool shit out there. also check out the engine that runs on water.

[St_Gabriel]

CERN created a quark-gluon plasma 18 months ago with a temperature of 3 billion degrees Kelvin. .

Uninteresting little sidenote, but Kelvin doesnt have degrees, only Fahrenheit and Celsius (in relation to temperature). Correct statement is

"CERN created a quark-gluon plasma 18 months ago with a temperature of 3 billion Kelvin."

[Winston001]

Learn something every day. :D

Also CERN or ITER recently trapped and held some anti-matter in a tokamak. If that could be done in a continuous way we'd have virtually unlimited clean energy, even better than fusion.

Unfortunately at present making anti-matter is not efficient.

[Akzle]

Learn something every day. :D

Also CERN or ITER recently trapped and held some anti-matter in a tokamak. If that could be done in a continuous way we'd have virtually unlimited clean energy, even better than fusion.

Unfortunately at present making anti-matter is not efficient.

90% of what you all think to be something,

is nothing.


space-atoms can pass clean through the erth without hitting anything.
that's how much nothing there is.
while you may feel like you're made of something... you're 90% not.

neat, huh?

and i don't think mining the universe for anti matter, with so little understanding of everything, and even less understanding of nothing, is a good idea. humans've already fucked a planet, a universe is another thing entirely.

colonise mars!

[scissorhands]

We dont need more energy to piss up against the wall and keep the power cost meters whirring.

With planning and a true conservative and less commercial mindset, current energy use can be reduced by 90% with no substantial loss of daily activity

[Edbear]

IIRC one of the problems with Tesla's tower of power was the effect of electrical radiation and the inability to harness and target it.

If you hold up a fluro tube outside a power station grid it glows. Too many ergs in the atmosphere for safety. Look at the too-doo's over living directly under power lines.

[jonbuoy]

We dont need more energy to piss up against the wall and keep the power cost meters whirring.

With planning and a true conservative and less commercial mindset, current energy use can be reduced by 90% with no substantial loss of daily activity

You managed to reduce your electricity usage by 90% without any issues?

[avgas]

You managed to reduce your electricity usage by 90% without any issues?
I've done about 40% with not too much hassle. Turning shit off makes a HUGE difference.
Sadly it shows when I am lazy - last months bill was $350. Worst I have had in 5 years. Most are less than $100. Lowest was $60. I don't change power companies or anything fancy. We are a 3-4 (in-law visits) person household, in winter we run 3 electric heaters and electric blankets.

Previously my average was $250+ month.

[jonbuoy]

I've done about 40% with not too much hassle. Turning shit off makes a HUGE difference.
Sadly it shows when I am lazy - last months bill was $350. Worst I have had in 5 years. Most are less than $100. Lowest was $60. I don't change power companies or anything fancy. We are a 3-4 (in-law visits) person household, in winter we run 3 electric heaters and electric blankets.

Previously my average was $250+ month.

You cut your kw/h by 40%? You must have had a lot of kit running on standby?