Sad testimony to greed

[Edbear]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9314323/The-ocean-is-broken

[BuzzardNZ]

Looks like an ocean full of Shorai batteries to me.

[Banditbandit]

Yes .. I am sure that is all terribly worthy - but the writing style puts me off and I don't want to read it ...

[Paul in NZ]

Greed and a rotten big wave....

[SPman]

Not as though people couldn't see it coming...but the tsunami and the continual radiation leakage from Fukushima has made it worse by the sound of it......probably also linked in to the collapse of the NW US sardine fisheries this year - no fish!

[awa355]

" Not my problem, My fish comes from cans, not the sea."

And that is the problem. European toxic waste dumped off the coastlines of Africa, middle of the oceans etc. Out of sight, out of mind.

[Akzle]

the great pacific rubbish dump?

maybe not greed, certainly consumerism.

it's good though. y'all old cunts will be dead before it really becomes a problem. whatever you do. carry on as you do.

as you were.

[Tigadee]

...but the tsunami and the continual radiation leakage from Fukushima has made it worse by the sound of it......

It'd be ironic if whatever fish were left ended up mutating into giant rapidly-breeding killer fishes that wiped out humankind...:blink:

[Hitcher]

That's not testimony to greed. It's testimony to selfishness. The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly, rather than putting them in a bin is the same gene that's afoot here. People who are too selfish and self-absorbed to clean up their own mess and who assume that somebody else will put things right for them.

Leave things as you found them or better.

[mashman]

It'd be ironic if whatever fish were left ended up mutating into giant rapidly-breeding killer fishes that wiped out humankind...:blink:

That'd be worth doing irrespective.

[mashman]

That's not testimony to greed. It's testimony to selfishness. The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly, rather than putting them in a bin is the same gene that's afoot here. People who are too selfish and self-absorbed to clean up their own mess and who assume that somebody else will put things right for them.

Leave things as you found them or better.

Nothing to do with big rumbles and bad waves then? I guess as it was a big rumble and a bad wave that no one needs to take responsibility for the mess, just let mother nature clean it up as it was her fault? Shits a mess coz no one is taking responsibility for it, no one has to take responsibility for it and as the article says, it'd be more expensive to clean it up than to just leave it... ergo, greed for money rules the day. All the money and fuel in the world ain't gonna help if the place is fucked up.

I agree with leaving things how or better than you found them.

[c4.]

Yes, I can personally confirm that there is some serious shit in the pacific right now.
I had lunch with last friday with a skipper off a super yacht who had just done the passage straight from Tahiti to NZ.
He and his crew noticed the lack of life and so made a very careful count.
They counted 25 birds on the WHOLE open sea voyage.
He was very concerned.
Mike has been skippering vessels worldwide for 20 years and has been on boats for 33 years.
He has never seen anything like it.
Scary stuff IMHO.

[Mom]

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.

[george formby]

I spent 4 years stood in my wee shop serving, over hearing & talking to the young & adventurous. Back packers on the trip of a life time to clean, green New Zealand. Our environment, the planet, was always a hot topic of conversation, much discussion of catastrophes, extinctions, deforestation & meltings etc.
Then I would watch them go next door to the dairy for an ice cream & throw the wrapper on the pavement, within a meter of the bin, I would watch them go out side for a fag & throw the butt on the pavement, the vast majority carried bottles of water from the dairy which they abandon everywhere, a zenith of ignorant consumerism & waste. Me me me is socially acceptable now if you have never lived without an internet connection.

I had hope that the future generation being exposed to the plight of the planet through their phones, tablets & computers would show a hint of salvation.
Er, no. They are bigger pigs than the last generation. Heart breaking.

[mashman]

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.

Cool. So long as the beach is clean all is well.


I spent 4 years stood in my wee shop serving, over hearing & talking to the young & adventurous. Back packers on the trip of a life time to clean, green New Zealand. Our environment, the planet, was always a hot topic of conversation, much discussion of catastrophes, extinctions, deforestation & meltings etc.
Then I would watch them go next door to the dairy for an ice cream & throw the wrapper on the pavement, within a meter of the bin, I would watch them go out side for a fag & throw the butt on the pavement, the vast majority carried bottles of water from the dairy which they abandon everywhere, a zenith of ignorant consumerism & waste. Me me me is socially acceptable now if you have never lived without an internet connection.

I had hope that the future generation being exposed to the plight of the planet through their phones, tablets & computers would show a hint of salvation.
Er, no. They are bigger pigs than the last generation. Heart breaking.

Wonder where the me me me generation got their me me me attitude from :innocent:. It is learned behaviour.

[Woodman]

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.


They could carry a tin around for their old ciggy butts and dispose of them properly later on. Smaller than the packet for the new ones. Their litter= their responsibility.

As for the fish. Fish farms. South East Asia have sustainable fish farms that the NZ fisherman protest outside supermarkets about. Greedy self obsessed fucks that they are.

[george formby]

They could carry a tin around for their old ciggy butts and dispose of them properly later on. Smaller than the packet for the new ones. Their litter= their responsibility.

As for the fish. Fish farms. South East Asia have sustainable fish farms that the NZ fisherman protest outside supermarkets about. Greedy self obsessed fucks that they are.

Smokers, where in that article did any body say they were sailing through mires of fag butts or witnessed Albatrosses sucking on a woodbine, eh, eh?
Recently saw in the news that over a million people in NZ are obese. Just did some quick sums, thanks google, about 20% of the population smoke, 800'000 people. That's a lot of ash tax. And their numbers are falling. The fat bastards who are really going to hit government services hard are swelling for next to nothing from plastic bottles, styrofoam take away containers, biscuit packets, energy drink tins etc and their numbers are growing. People are banging on about fag butts?
I guess it's perspective we each have our own not the complete one.

Sorry, not a nice tone but I am interested in what rattles peoples sabres.

Would love to see a link to how these sustainable fish farms work. Have seen combined operations with fish & crustaceans which are clean but the food still comes from a wild resource.

Oh, I dump my dumps in the bin, feel disgusted when I see butts on the street.

[pete376403]

Cant blame the tsunami for everything, the Great Pacific Garbage patch was noted back in 1997

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

[Brett]

I am fucking sick of people destroying the Earth. We pollute everything we touch. I don't think that greed is the issue though, rather selfishness, ignorance and not-giving-a-fuck because it will be the next generations problem. There are minorities doing everything that they can to stem the flow, but they are too few fighting too much. I know I sound like a real hippie - I'm actually pretty right wing in my views and once upon a time, thought that Greenpeace were the biggest bunch of space wasters around. I signed a Greenpeace petition last week. What changed? As an avid lover of the outdoors and someone who really enjoys nature and its wonders, I am heartbroken at what is happening to our lands and oceans. I don't mean that in a melodramatic sense either. 20 years time could see the end of many animal species. Imagine a world without tigers and rhino's? What treasures are we losing to deforestation before we have even found them in say, the Amazon jungle.

It's time for some change, and if not our generation...then who?

Post Script - the best thing for the Earth would be a collapse of the Human race. Harsh, but true.

[Brett]

Smokers, where in that article did any body say they were sailing through mires of fag butts or witnessed Albatrosses sucking on a woodbine, eh, eh?
Recently saw in the news that over a million people in NZ are obese. Just did some quick sums, thanks google, about 20% of the population smoke, 800'000 people. That's a lot of ash tax. And their numbers are falling. The fat bastards who are really going to hit government services hard are swelling for next to nothing from plastic bottles, styrofoam take away containers, biscuit packets, energy drink tins etc and their numbers are growing. People are banging on about fag butts?
I guess it's perspective we each have our own not the complete one.

Sorry, not a nice tone but I am interested in what rattles peoples sabres.

Would love to see a link to how these sustainable fish farms work. Have seen combined operations with fish & crustaceans which are clean but the food still comes from a wild resource.

Oh, I dump my dumps in the bin, feel disgusted when I see butts on the street.

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

[Akzle]

The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly,

Leave things as you found them or better.
i never do. I pocket them if i have to.
I also (from my ute) watched some bitch in an mx5 at the lights, flick a butt out the window. Im sure they have ashtrays, so i flicked my cig in her window and drove off. Much hilarity.

Cant blame the tsunami for everything, the Great Pacific Garbage patch was noted back in 1997

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch
and in post 7.

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

why? Smokers already contribute 5x as much to healthcare than they cost...
They should tax stupidity, and fast food. And alcohol. Cos that shit cost the plebians heaps.
But wait. Thats no benefit to the jews at the top.
Nevermind that, then.

[mossy1200]

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.


i never do. I pocket them if i have to.
I also (from my ute) watched some bitch in an mx5 at the lights, flick a butt out the window. Im sure they have ashtrays, so i flicked my cig in her window and drove off. Much hilarity.

and in post 7.


why? Smokers already contribute 5x as much to healthcare than they cost...
They should tax stupidity, and fast food. And alcohol. Cos that shit cost the plebians heaps.
But wait. Thats no benefit to the jews at the top.
Nevermind that, then.

You need to look at it this way.
A smoker lives 10 years less than a non smoker.
That's 10 years less on goverbent super fund and medical care for hip replacements and so on.
Maybe we should encourage smoking and not tax it at all.:eek:

[Berries]

You need to look at it this way.
A smoker lives 10 years less than a non smoker.
That's 10 years less on goverbent super fund and medical care for hip replacements and so on.
Maybe we should encourage smoking and not tax it at all.:eek:
I've put on about five kilos since I gave up smoking last year. I have come to the conclusion that the ten years you get are the shitty ten years at the end where your eyesight goes, your memory goes and you shit yourself on the bus. No thanks. After much soul searching I have decided to start again, slim down, and not worry about the Super.

And I rarely eat fish so don't blame me. It's all these wankers who say "well ten years ago I could drop a line and pull up a fish just like that." Yes, we know, you've fucking taken them all. A fisherman complaining there are no fish? FFS, that's like Mark Lundy complaining he doesn't get a Valentines card from his wife anymore.

[jonbuoy]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

[unstuck]

So, what will you do today that will see you become part of the solution, rather than being a part of the problem? Will you pick up that piece of rubbish thats blowing across your path while out walking? Will you make a sensible informed decision at the supermarket, or will you just buy what looks the prettiest? Or will you start a thread on a website about how bad the planet is, but keep on doing things that are not helping to fix the problem. :wacko:

[The Reibz]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

Trust me we are well past that. When I was up in the coral sea last year I witnessed a massive tuna baitball. Just in time for a purse netting boat to come in and scoop all of them out of the water in one shot. A whole eco system, gone. We had our chance with the ocean, its well passed being able to be fixed now. You can't farm fish effectively either, big pelagics move though thousands of km's of ocean. You can't breed them in a cage.

The whole snapper debate recently was a joke. I would be extremely lucky to get 9 good sized snapper in my favourite spots. The NZ rec fisher needs to realise that its not a endless resource for them to plunder. It will colapse at some point.

For all you hoki lovers out there heres what one actually looks like...

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Uploads/Images/2260/M%20novaez%20S140_227_JFR_big.jpg

Still keen on eating them? Im pretty sure anything that lives over 1000m aint fit for human consumption.

Have a read of "Hook line and blinkers" written by NZ's biggest pole smoker, Gareth Morgan. Some of it actually isn't complete bullshit

[blue rider]

could would should


speculation all around, however this is a nice read and could would should maybe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2415889/Boyan-Slat-19-claims-invention-clean-worlds-oceans-just-years.html#ixzz2iYoIx6o8

There is also the slow poisioning of the pacific with fukushima leaking like a sieve. But as one can not see the radioactivity one should not concern ones pretty head or so.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=fukushima+leaking+into+pacific+ocean&rlz=1C1CHMD_enNZ558NZ559&oq=fukushima+leaking+int+o&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j0l5.6912j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

i was 18 when Tschernobyl went up. It is still not considered safe to collect mushrooms in the Alp Region of Europe, wild boar in the bavarian forest is dumped as radioactive waste etc. etc.

bikie chick in tschernobyl, nice story and nice pics.

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/


lets not worry, we are all walking dead anyways.

[mashman]

So, what will you do today that will see you become part of the solution, rather than being a part of the problem? Will you pick up that piece of rubbish thats blowing across your path while out walking? Will you make a sensible informed decision at the supermarket, or will you just buy what looks the prettiest? Or will you start a thread on a website about how bad the planet is, but keep on doing things that are not helping to fix the problem. :wacko:

Dunno about you, but I'm gonna think positive thoughts and the problem will sort itself ;)

[rustyrobot]

...think positive thoughts and the problem will sort itself ;)

Yes, that's "The Secret" isn't it. :brick:

[Zedder]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

A world wide limit on people might help.

[rustyrobot]

A world wide limit on people might help.

Give it 30 years and we'll be shipping the second class citizens off on one-way trips to terra-form Mars. It's going to be the new Australia.

Starting with Nick from Shortland Street (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10880180).

[mashman]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

If it were just the fish and not the rubbish, I'd dispatch every sub I had at my command to blow any vessel out of the water that wasn't using a rod to catch fish.

[Zedder]

Give it 30 years and we'll be shipping the second class citizens off on one-way trips to terra-form Mars. It's going to be the new Australia.

Starting with Nick from Shortland Street (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10880180).

Ha ha, Neutralising Arseholes by Space Adventure.

[Tazz]

Give it 30 years and we'll be shipping the second class citizens off on one-way trips to terra-form Mars. It's going to be the new Australia.

Starting with Nick from Shortland Street (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10880180).

If you're not already a Douglas Adams fan I guarantee you would be XD

[Banditbandit]

Give it 30 years and we'll be shipping the second class citizens off on one-way trips to terra-form Mars. It's going to be the new Australia.

Starting with Nick from Shortland Street (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10880180).

OOOoooo ... can we nominate who we are going to send on a one-way ticket to Mars ???

[carver]

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

you might find it becomes a bit like marijuana now

[SPman]

Er, no. They are bigger pigs than the last generation. Heart breaking. I don't think so - just no better than the last, or earlier generations. Unthinkingnessseems to spread across all generations and time......the Maori didn't institute all their conservation ideas until they almost starved to death by wiping out all the easily obtained sources of food. A lot of the destruction is caused by old fashioned thoughtlessness - little thought at all to downstream repercussions, - "as long as it doesn't directly affect me now and here, why should I worry" type of thoughtlessness, and from there, it's just a short step to the "how much can I make out of it, now" attitude, which will ultimately fuck us all!



http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa36/JonL_photo/key-my-work-is-done-260x194_zps9e47fd0c.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/JonL_photo/media/key-my-work-is-done-260x194_zps9e47fd0c.jpg.html)

[mashman]

I don't think so - just no better than the last, or earlier generations. Unthinkingnessseems to spread across all generations and time......the Maori didn't institute all their conservation ideas until they almost starved to death by wiping out all the easily obtained sources of food. A lot of the destruction is caused by old fashioned thoughtlessness - little thought at all to downstream repercussions, - "as long as it doesn't directly affect me now and here, why should I worry" type of thoughtlessness, and from there, it's just a short step to the "how much can I make out of it, now" attitude, which will ultimately fuck us all!

We're not taught to care because maths is more important.

[Akzle]

You need to look at it this way.
A smoker lives 10 years less than a non smoker.
That's 10 years less on goverbent super fund and medical care for hip replacements and so on.
Maybe we should encourage smoking and not tax it at all.:eek:

there was a brilliant blag, that suggested we make the retirement age 50, force all retirees to take up smoking. it solves the employment problems, the healthcare problems and a swag of other shit. meeb one of the enlightened KBs knows it....

[avgas]

The ocean isn't broken. It has a fever.

Don't worry I will dump some drugs and chemicals in it for you.

[avgas]

We're not taught to care because maths is more important.
Maths is important. It shows how much I don't care.
[ ]
Its this much by the way

[Smifffy]

Wonder where the me me me generation got their me me me attitude from :innocent:. It is learned behaviour.

And we let them get away with it. It's not all tourists either. Take a walk in any resdidential area away from the tourist routes, and there'll still be plenty of litter to be seen.

Fairly certain that neither the residents, nor the tourists would be so free with their refuse in Singapore though.

[Katman]

Maths is important. It shows how much I don't care.
[ ]
Its this much by the way

That's > than I do.

[george formby]

Dunno about you, but I'm gonna think positive thoughts and the problem will sort itself ;)

Well, positive thinking is healthy & positive actions are educational.

Where did the me me me come from? Technology. Behaviour is learned because we learn to adapt for our instinctive advantage. If we just imitated this conversation would never happen.
Read somewhere that we have more sensory input in one day than a person 200 years ago had in a lifetime. Freaky thought unless you like chunky boots or sails.

The Oceans? Fooked for the time being. Salinity & PH are changing, temperatures are varying, deep ocean currents are quietly & slowly spreading our toxins everywhere. The dominoes are teetering.

Onwards & upwards nevertheless. From little acorns... etc.

[george formby]

I don't think so - just no better than the last, or earlier generations. Unthinkingnessseems to spread across all generations and time......the Maori didn't institute all their conservation ideas until they almost starved to death by wiping out all the easily obtained sources of food. A lot of the destruction is caused by old fashioned thoughtlessness - little thought at all to downstream repercussions, - "as long as it doesn't directly affect me now and here, why should I worry" type of thoughtlessness, and from there, it's just a short step to the "how much can I make out of it, now" attitude, which will ultimately fuck us all!


I totally agree, it's the lack of consideration, application, thinking. Living habitually without interest or consequence. Most people through all times I guess.
Prolly more accurately, this aspect of our nature is more destructive the more we have available to us. Ban money.

[mashman]

Maths is important. It shows how much I don't care.
[ ]
Its this much by the way

That's a lot. I will find you and burn your slippers.


And we let them get away with it. It's not all tourists either. Take a walk in any resdidential area away from the tourist routes, and there'll still be plenty of litter to be seen.

Fairly certain that neither the residents, nor the tourists would be so free with their refuse in Singapore though.

heh... don't you get the death penalty for chewing gum or somefink?

Ideally people should turn up to Maccas/KFC/Supermarkets with their own containers and if they lose them they should be made to wait for a long time before they can get another. Or some variant of. Might make them think twice about discarding stuff willy nilly.


Well, positive thinking is healthy & positive actions are educational.

Where did the me me me come from? Technology. Behaviour is learned because we learn to adapt for our instinctive advantage. If we just imitated this conversation would never happen.
Read somewhere that we have more sensory input in one day than a person 200 years ago had in a lifetime. Freaky thought unless you like chunky boots or sails.

The Oceans? Fooked for the time being. Salinity & PH are changing, temperatures are varying, deep ocean currents are quietly & slowly spreading our toxins everywhere. The dominoes are teetering.

Onwards & upwards nevertheless. From little acorns... etc.

Put the pipe down, that's way too much sense to take in this late in the evening.

Aye, we need a relatively radical change or at least we need to introduce smart ways of limiting the damage... all easily doable depending on wont eh.

[jonbuoy]

We could all help a bit by not buying fish.

[mashman]

We could all help a bit by not buying fish.

That's not going to help. There's always someone that will buy the fish, just like there's always someone to take that spot whereby they can line their pockets and saddle some other poor fucker with debt. Individually we're highly unlikely to succeed.

[jonbuoy]

That's not going to help. There's always someone that will buy the fish, just like there's always someone to take that spot whereby they can line their pockets and saddle some other poor fucker with debt. Individually we're highly unlikely to succeed.

Not sure I get your logic there - if the number of fish consumers drops the demand for fish will drop.

[mashman]

Not sure I get your logic there - if the number of fish consumers drops the demand for fish will drop.

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.

Edit: The best way to do this is to stop the bulk fishing. It's indiscriminate and kills millions of fish that aren't required for the catch. Limiting the catch through less consumption will still kill millions of fish that'll never make it to the table.

[Tazz]

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.


It is something stupid like 40% in the states. Mind boggling.

[awa355]

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.

Edit: The best way to do this is to stop the bulk fishing. It's indiscriminate and kills millions of fish that aren't required for the catch. Limiting the catch through less consumption will still kill millions of fish that'll never make it to the table.

This sort of trawler doesn't help. Like running a huge shovel through the ocean. How many tons of fish would this size ship have to catch to pay for itself??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9327189/Super-trawler-heads-down-under

[Akzle]

a subsistence lifestyle reduces your working week to 10hours.
Some nigga gotta go fishn.
10hours of fishin a week to meet the needs of my community?
Nah fuck that. Slave for 40 to benefit only my household. And jews.

[mashman]

This sort of trawler doesn't help. Like running a huge shovel through the ocean. How many tons of fish would this size ship have to catch to pay for itself??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9327189/Super-trawler-heads-down-under

That's a big fishing boat. Wonder how many tonnes of unwanted fish that thing kills each year?

http://www.viralread.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/we-re-gonna-need-a-bigger-boat.jpg

[george formby]

We should tax fish the same as cigarettes, all fish based products, too. Go the veggie cats!

Fuck it, lets have a plastic tax & a "bastard to fix" tax. The shorter a consumer items lifespan, the greater the tax, the longer it takes to bio degrade the more expensive.. etcera.

Then the gummint can spend this new found wealth on rich boys toy racing & better advertising for selling off our ecological & geographical assets. The extra profit can then go to ACC, Schools & the Police to fix their computers. Ah, utopia, just a decimal point away.

[Tazz]

Some supermarkets have/had? a fish chart thingo (red to green) showing which fish either had low populations or huge bycatches that were thrown back dead, and which were more abundant or did not require massive body counts of other fish to be thrown back before a boats freezer was considered 'profitably' full.

Small difference I know but looking at something like that and choosing to eat more sustainably, and then passing that onto your kids is a step in the right direction.

I had a couple of beers with a marine biologist recently who worked for the UK government and was sent over here to see what sort of systems we have in place to ensure the ocean is kept clean, and fishing sustainable. He said it is only due to the population being low, particularly in the South, that things are still in reasonable nick, but things are going to go to hell very soon if we don't put systems in place to maintain what we have (as opposed to trying to get it back once it's gone, which is where a lot of the UK is at). This isn't just fishing, it is pollution as well.

Oh yeah, he also said we are up to fark all when it comes to conservation compared to overseas, which was surprising to hear, but not unbelievable.

[Tazz]

Fuck it, lets have a plastic tax & a "bastard to fix" tax. The shorter a consumer items lifespan, the greater the tax, the longer it takes to bio degrade the more expensive.. etcera.


Considering the government/tax payers fund it anyway, I'd be all for a subsidy for companies that use more eco friendly packaging, therefore saving on the monetary (and environmental) costs of landfills.

Or turn it into energy? I was reading the other month that some Scandinavian country is importing rubbish to turn into electricity because they were to awesome at recycling and not creating enough rubbish to power the ingenious systems they have built. Seems a bit counter productive for sure, but it's the right idea. That is from my shitty memory too so I may have glossed over some of the details XD