Hidden speed camera live in Auckland

[east147]

The New Zealand government and local councils are some of the most dishonest in the world. A bold statement I know.

Covert speed vehicle 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/108094653@N07/10750584805/)
Covert speed vehicle 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/108094653@N07/10750584795/)
Covert speed vehicle 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/108094653@N07/10750584775/)
Covert speed vehicle 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/108094653@N07/10750584725/)

Why do the Police have unmarked Police cars? They are all over the country and you can spot them… they either have extra aerials or the Police offices wear their hats. Or you may see one zoom past you. But why do the Police use unmarked cars? What does this say to the citizen? There is absolutely no need whatsoever for a uniformed officer of the law to drive an unmarked Police car during his duty unless in an emergency. The Police are there to help and support us the TAX payer / citizen not covertly do as they want. They are 100% accountable for their actions. So which member of the political system breaks the citizen charter?

So why do the Police and council endorse unmarked Police Speed camera vehicles on the road which are 100% LIVE. What does that say to you and I as citizens that they act covertly thus not telling us the TAX payer and Citizen what they are doing and why. I refer to the word COVERT (not openly acknowledged or displayed.) These vehicle are traps, dishonest and merely a dishonest form a taxation. Why? Speed cameras bagged over 700,000 speeding drivers a year. Fines over $50 million were issued last year. Now if you have been caught speeding by a Police officer you get demerit points… If the camera is FIXED you get Demerit points however if the camera is in a vehicle you don! What is the point having any marked Police cars? They are for our benefit as citizens – ok? So what is the point in having signs on the road? We should clearly have speed warning signs in all areas that warrant them, near schools, in dangerous locations etc. So why did the grubby dishonest politicians allow the Police Force to TAX us? To deceive us? To act suspiciously to us.

The attached pictures are of a new breed vehicle that the Police and Local council allow in order to gather revenue… they turn up park the vehicle and walk away… you can’t even see inside. This is one of the most dishonest things I have witnessed from the Police force and local government.



Revenue Minister upset about Police revenue gathering [POLL]
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/04/revenue-minister-upset-about-police-revenue-gathering-poll/#axzz2k6VkxZue

Driving offences and penalties: disqualifications and suspensions (Factsheet 55)
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/55/driving-offences.html

Tickets/Infringements
http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/questions-by-category/ticketsinfringements

DEMERIT POINTS / DEMERIT POINT OFFENCES AND POINTS / MANDATORY SUSPENSION OF DRIVERS LICENCE
http://www.iradars.co.nz/news.htm

Marked speed camera vans rolled out
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10854811

Un-signposted speed cameras: revenue first
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/blogs/drivetalk/5660073/Un-signposted-speed-cameras-revenue-first

[Murray]

Get a ticket did ya???

[Tazz]

If you're speeding around there you deserve a ticket, or would you rather run over a kid? =P

[SMOKEU]

If you're sure it's a camera vehicle and that there's no one inside, then slash the tyres or smash it up. FTP.

If it's really all about safety and not revenue, then why doesn't the government take driver training and licensing much more seriously, rather than allow incompetent fools who can't even drive properly to teach the next generation of drivers? Why don't they set up hidden cameras to catch people overtaking on the wrong side of the road around blind corners, and then fuck them over big time in the courts for attempted manslaughter? A car is a far more dangerous weapon than a gun, so why are the penalties for reckless use of a firearm so much more serious than doing something equally, or more dangerous in a car?

[nzmikey]

what gets me is when they have an unmarked car parked at night with no lights on on a rural road with no street lamps for 260m+ & the cunt nails you for speeding when your the only bike on the road & at 10pm ...:brick: Some how it is legal to have no lights working & be parked in a dark area ... or is it :tugger: have a google for yourself

[Akzle]

almost as good as my first post.

[Tazz]

almost as good as my first post.

Just lacking the GIMP. It's the little touches.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm211/Antwuan3000/GimpSuit.jpg

[Katman]

Hardly hidden, is it?

[R650R]

Maybe the cop is visiting a bit of crumpet around the corner...

This has to be a windup surely... unmarked cameras and patrol cars are nothing new.
Seen one of the new "high visibility" vans at Whirinaki, was quite dirty and almost mistook it for a tradesmans van...

[Mokadah]

There's a foolproof way to avoid these bastards...


Don't speed.


Otherwise, you pays your money and you takes your chances. Just be glad they don't have mandatory GPS trackers directly linked to your credit card. The technology is there already.

[kevie]

I complained to the authorities and police about the speed cameras parked ON passing lanes...... they said they are there in the name of road safety and as a deterrent and I countered with ........ "I'm a line-haul truck driver limited to 90km/h and not that easy to pass safely on NZ roads, we come up to a passing lane ... oncoming cars are flashing lights to warn of the 'cop up the road' and hence no one is willing to pass me on the passing lane, where it is safer to do so ..... Then !!!! they are trying to pass me on yellows, short straits, blind corners !!!

My unanswered question was "HOW DOES THE CAMERA ON PASSING LANES HELP IN ROAD SAFETY?"

My view is as a driver of a big rig.... that it is contributing to the carnage on our roads and just a revenue gathering exercise.

Got no decent logical sense out of the police other than they do it for road safety.

There is regularly speed cameras on the 2 passing lanes between Huntly and Ngaruawahia.

Speed cameras on passing lanes SHOULD be illegal and any tickets issued on them also illegal ..... and NO ..... I haven't got a speed camera ticket from them.

[Gremlin]

...where it is safer to do so ..... Then !!!! they are trying to pass me on yellows, short straits, blind corners !!!
Agree completely... all it does is encourage people to pass where it isn't safe, as the odds of a camera are much less.

Makes no sense to me whatsoever :facepalm:

[kevie]

all it does is encourage people to pass where it isn't safe, as the odds of a camera are much less.

yeh as a previous poster commented they put the camera where they will get dollars not where the real safety issues happen.
aaaahhhhh you never know where there's a camera running nowadays lol they wear them on helmets, in cars, trucks .........I run one in my rig ...... have put several dumb-ass drivers on Facebook's "New Zealand Driving Idiots"and don't get all the ones that start a really dangerous act and back off just in time to avert a tragedy.

[Bikemad]

i feel if the police were really serious about slowing the public down..............surely ALL their cars........parked up or otherwise......would be marked wouldn't they?........i mean a more visable presence on the road would have to equate to people driving slower wouldn't it?
i know nothing slows me down more than the sight of one of those pesky cars..........not that i ever speed mind you;)

[scumdog]

The New Zealand government and local councils are some of the most dishonest in the world. A bold statement I know.


Why do the Police have unmarked Police cars? They are all over the country and you can spot them… they either have extra aerials or the Police offices wear their hats. Or you may see one zoom past you. But why do the Police use unmarked cars? What blah-blah-blah...wah....

So why do the Police and council endorse unmarked Police Speed camera vehicles on the road which are 100% LIVE. What does that say blah-blah-more-fucking blah.......

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What a crock of shit.....:rolleyes:

[east147]

For all the brains with no thought or rather no thought or rather opinion forming presumptuous sheep... No I did not get a ticket I had a radar detector and was well within the speed limit... that’s not the point and yes if you drive over the speed limit you deserve it to get caught by a marked Police car or Police man in appropriate gear... if you apply some thought and read my post my points are simple...

It’s the method used by the GOV / POLICE to capture you – YOU ARE DISHONEST... its dishonest and against everything a democratic and citizen state is all about.

If a Police officer stop you you get point and a fine - LAW ENFORCEMENT - AGREED?

If a mobile camera gets you its what? No points just a fine... its not a deterrent it’s all about a revenue streams... there is no Police officer telling you what why or when... 2 weeks after the incident you get a bit a paper saying... you were caught on this day at this time and you now owe the GOV this amount.

Think outside the box and not like a sheep ;-)

[Madness]

Speaking for myself here but when I get a speeding ticket, either from a popo or a camera, I usually slow down for a bit. If you can't identify a mufti or a camera car whilst on the move then you should have gone to SpecSavers anyway, they stand out like dogs balls.

[vifferman]

In Australia (some states at least - the ones I've been in), they warn you of speed cameras in operation, with signs beforehand. Same in Europe. The result? People (apart from the recidivist, inveterate speeders) slow down if they're going too fast. I certainly did - the fines are not insignificant.
I've had several speeding tickets here, given personally by a policeman. The result was I *knew* I'd done wrong, and afterwards, I rode more slowly for some time afterwards. I've also had one speed camera ticket in the car, my only one in nearly 40 years. Did it cause me to slow down? Like hell it did! I got the ticket more than 3 weeks after the event, and I had to really scratch my head and think very hard where I was at the time, and what the circumstances were. Never saw the van - I was concentrating on overtaking some slow traffic on a long straight at the time, and the fact I didn't see the van means it was out of sight in a gap in the shelter belts on the right hand side of the road.

My wife's only ever had two tickets - both speed cameras. She saw the first flash, as she was coming into Auckland on the motorway, travelling at the same speed as the column of traffic. Was it dangerous? Fuck no! All the traffic was travelling at just slightly over the speed limit, and the road surface was good, same with the visibility, and the oncoming traffic was on the other side of the wide centre median and barriers. A week later she got another one. She had no idea she'd got it (or that she'd been speeding), and blamed me at first, until I pointed out that at 7:15AM I was at home and she was on her way to work.
Apart from as a form of taxation, speed cameras are useless unless they are advertised. I doubt very very much that a covert speed camera aids road safety at all, unless the revenues are spent on safety (which is doubtful).

[Grashopper]

i feel if the police were really serious about slowing the public down..............surely ALL their cars........parked up or otherwise......would be marked wouldn't they?........i mean a more visable presence on the road would have to equate to people driving slower wouldn't it?
i know nothing slows me down more than the sight of one of those pesky cars..........not that i ever speed mind you;)

The idea behind the unmarked cars with speed cameras is that people don't know where to expect them, so theoretically they don't speed as much, as a camera could be around every corner. If you only have speed cameras in marked cars, or sticking out of the landscape in general, people only slow down in those places where they see cameras, like you, but speed up again directly afterwards. Not very safe, isn't it?

[scumdog]

The idea behind the unmarked cars with speed cameras is that people don't know where to expect them, so theoretically they don't speed as much, as a camera could be around every corner. If you only have speed cameras in marked cars, or sticking out of the landscape in general, people only slow down in those places where they see cameras, like you, but speed up again directly afterwards. Not very safe, isn't it?

Yep, I'm sure a Gods-eye-view of a marked cop-car driving along the road would show a 'bubble' of fairly good driving in the vicinity of the cop-car as it goes along.

Further out ahead and behind it would show the fairly 'average-to-poor' standard of driving that normally abounds when people think no cop is around.:yes:

[R650R]

Ya know sometimes they are just doing traffic surveys with these things too.
Now and then the cops have the camera flash every truck going down the bombays and I've known highway patrols to park up and ping trucks for hours with radar to survey speeds but not give tickets, one of the guys actually had a yak to him about it...
Don't go relying on radar detector either, everyone I know who has one seems to get more tickets...
Just wait till you get pinged by a mufti following with calibrated speedo, been there done that, thank god he pulled over my gsxr1100 before I got to the te hauke straights...

[Bikemad]

The idea behind the unmarked cars with speed cameras is that people don't know where to expect them, so theoretically they don't speed as much, as a camera could be around every corner. If you only have speed cameras in marked cars, or sticking out of the landscape in general, people only slow down in those places where they see cameras, like you, but speed up again directly afterwards. Not very safe, isn't it?

i disagree..........nowdays in my experience the police seem to work in pairs on the open road so you can be pretty sure if you have seen one car there will be another lurking nearby so only a fool would put the hammer down after passing a marked car............are people really that thick............don't answer that

[mossy1200]

We could all drive under the speed limit and then they wouldn't get any revenue and would go into cold storage.:eek:

[Grashopper]

i disagree..........nowdays in my experience the police seem to work in pairs on the open road so you can be pretty sure if you have seen one car there will be another lurking nearby so only a fool would put the hammer down after passing a marked car............are people really that thick............don't answer that

Lol, not exactly what I was trying to say. So how about this: If people only slow down around cops, but speed everywhere else, than that is a lot less safe than people going at the speed limit all the time cause a hidden speed camera could be anywhere. Not to mention all the panic braking as soon as they see a marked car, and people who don't know what a safe following distance is.

But what you said makes me wondering if people can get into trouble here for warning other people of speed cameras, like flashing the headlights. They can in other countries.

[mossy1200]

I do all sorts of hand wave signals.

This comment will cause someone to dredge a kiwibiker secrete wave thread.:killingme

[scumdog]

But what you said makes me wondering if people can get into trouble here for warning other people of speed cameras, like flashing the headlights. They can in other countries.

When driving my work car I frequently flash my headlights are other cars - they most certainly DO slow down and I don't think I will get into trouble for doing so...

[Bikemad]

Lol, not exactly what I was trying to say. So how about this: If people only slow down around cops, but speed everywhere else, than that is a lot less safe than people going at the speed limit all the time cause a hidden speed camera could be anywhere. Not to mention all the panic braking as soon as they see a marked car, and people who don't know what a safe following distance is.

But what you said makes me wondering if people can get into trouble here for warning other people of speed cameras, like flashing the headlights. They can in other countries.

yeah i got what you meant the first time but i feel more marked cars on the road would be more effective..........just my 2 cents worth

[rok-the-boat]

The original post makes a good point. This is about basic freedom - the loss of it. It goes beyond breaking the law, it is an attack on our freedom.

[scumdog]

The original post makes a good point. This is about basic freedom - the loss of it. It goes beyond breaking the law, it is an attack on our freedom.

What? - freedom to go as fast as you want to?

Well go ahead, nobody's stopping you...

[ktm84mxc]

A couple of years ago at Xmas had to drive down the motorway from Auck to Raglan late morning counted 4 speed camera vans between Bombay and Huntly .
Just revenue gathering, you seen the marked police hyundai vans with the cameras facing forward and back that's to do Reg and WOF check is current and matches the data , if not a infringement notice is sent to the known owner.

[Tazz]

The original post makes a good point. This is about basic freedom - the loss of it. It goes beyond breaking the law, it is an attack on our freedom.

ahhahaha, I hope you're trolling. That is gold! Did you even look at the picture of where that van is? Next to a park? Pedestrian crossing just down the road? Car reversing onto the street while the picture was taken even? Looks like an epic place to drop the hammer yeah :rolleyes:

When they start sitting at 100k signs and ticketing people for going too slow on one side of it and too fast (although the dude in Woodend already does this bit) even when you're only slightly over (55 in a 50 zone, yes, they can do that) THEN you can start going on about freedoms....maybe.....=P

Whinging about a speed camera next to somewhere you should be extra vigilant anyway? Well....

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTr450c6CbhX1es9OXS5SAkCtG_kTWg3 yPju0mjg5vTwnhxIvws

Also, if you want to worry about your freedoms an unmarked speed camera should be bottom of the list at the moment.

[Zedder]

Oh good, a thread about speed cameras/speeding.

I better stay home for this.

[maraudingkiwi]

Why do New Zealand Police force use family cars then covertly place mobile speed infringement cameras inside... black out all the windows then leave the vehicle unattended for several hours?

Isn't there a law about how dark tinted windows can be - something like 20%? Would make the camera a lot easier to spot if they had to legally abide by that...

[Tazz]

Isn't there a law about how dark tinted windows can be - something like 20%? Would make the camera a lot easier to spot if they had to legally abide by that...

35%, which as it turns out is dark enough to get changed behind in the middle of a campsite.

[east147]

Isn't there a law about how dark tinted windows can be - something like 20%? Would make the camera a lot easier to spot if they had to legally abide by that...


Good point... I wanted to bring this up... The speed trap the Police used is way toooo dark! I would not see in when I walked past to take the pics! What does that tell you? Well over 35%!!!

[Kickaha]

Good point... I wanted to bring this up... The speed trap the Police used is way toooo dark! I would not see in when I walked past to take the pics! What does that tell you? Well over 35%!!!

They're allowed to be http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/39/vehicle-windows-wipers-and-mirrors.html#film


Rear windows (windows behind the driver's seat)

A transparent overlay applied to a rear window of a car (sedan, station wagon, hatchback, sports car or convertible) must have an overall VLT of at least 35 percent.

An overlay fitted to a rear window of any other vehicle, including a stretch limousine and body transfer vehicle, may be of any tint level.

Any vehicle with an overlay applied to a rear window must have an external rear view mirror on each side.
Minimum VLT limits for tinted overlays for sedan cars Minimum VLT limits for tinted overlays for goods vans
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/39/img/39-vlt-limits-van-goods.gif

[G4L4XY]

I've seen one on the main road leading out of Cambridge towards Hamilton. Course I was being a good boy and not speeding :)

[Woodman]

For all the brains with no thought or rather no thought or rather opinion forming presumptuous sheep... No I did not get a ticket I had a radar detector and was well within the speed limit... that’s not the point and yes if you drive over the speed limit you deserve it to get caught by a marked Police car or Police man in appropriate gear... if you apply some thought and read my post my points are simple...

It’s the method used by the GOV / POLICE to capture you – YOU ARE DISHONEST... its dishonest and against everything a democratic and citizen state is all about.

If a Police officer stop you you get point and a fine - LAW ENFORCEMENT - AGREED?

If a mobile camera gets you its what? No points just a fine... its not a deterrent it’s all about a revenue streams... there is no Police officer telling you what why or when... 2 weeks after the incident you get a bit a paper saying... you were caught on this day at this time and you now owe the GOV this amount.

Think outside the box and not like a sheep ;-)


So.. how would you do it? What would your KPIs be?

Personally, I just assume that their could be a speed camera, marked car or unmarked car on any road at any time. Its my choice to speed and my fault if I get caught. Don't understand the revenue gathering argument.

[russd7]

If a mobile camera gets you its what? No points just a fine... its not a deterrent it’s all about a revenue streams... there is no Police officer telling you what why or when... 2 weeks after the incident you get a bit a paper saying... you were caught on this day at this time and you now owe the GOV this amount.

Think outside the box and not like a sheep ;-)
for those of us still young enough to remember when speed camera's were introduced, the reason stated then why there would be no demerit points was because the ticket gets sent to the registered owner and if that person was not the driver at the time then it would be unfair to for them to be given demerits for another drivers infringement, as i understand it if a vehicle is caught above walking speed then there is the option to take the licence from the registered owner unless they state who was driving.
all those that are bitching about hidden speed camera's and hidden police cars need to HTFU, if ya gonna speed then accept the consequences and get on with ya life, all this BS about revenue gathering and shit, lets face it if you don't speed then you don't get to pay fun tax, and yes i have paid my fair share of fun tax and probably a lot more than most but every time i have been pinged it has been a fair cop, and i can say from experience that the attitude test saves a lot of money.

[MIXONE]

I'm with you Rusty.
I treat it as a game I sometimes play.If I get pinged the $ is the cost of the game.

[R650R]

for those of us still young enough to remember when speed camera's were introduced, the reason stated then why there would be no demerit points was because the ticket gets sent to the registered owner and if that person was not the driver at the time then it would be unfair to for them to be given demerits for another drivers infringement, as i understand it if a vehicle is caught above walking speed then there is the option to take the licence from the registered owner unless they state who was driving.
all those that are bitching about hidden speed camera's and hidden police cars need to HTFU, if ya gonna speed then accept the consequences and get on with ya life, all this BS about revenue gathering and shit, lets face it if you don't speed then you don't get to pay fun tax, and yes i have paid my fair share of fun tax and probably a lot more than most but every time i have been pinged it has been a fair cop, and i can say from experience that the attitude test saves a lot of money.

You've made me feel old now lol...
Remember driving past on my 250 to deliberately set off the camera twice to check my speed during the amnesty period when they introduced them.
Half the problem with anything the govt does is they always spin the story when they bring new things in and then incrementally change things in the boiling frog method...
They'd cause themselves much less grief and scandal if they just said hey this is what the go is from the start...
Your right about the revenue gathering argument being debunked. Awhile ago there was a big oh wow style story about a Waikato highway patrol blitz catching 1000 speeding drivers in one month (patrol cars not camera).
Crunched the numbers over 30 days for the 8 cops covering that area and the money doesn't even cover the running costs of SV6 and wages etc...
It is kinda funny though as we're all getting ripped off much more though various govt dept inefficiencies and taxes than the cost of the odd speeding ticket but people think we actually need that other stuff they waste money on...

[Juniper]

I speed at times
I know the speed I am going at
I know that speeding is illegal (I don't make the laws I just live by them)
If I get caught I pay the fine.

And then I'm a good girl until next time :rolleyes:

If he was marked or unmarked I was still speeding thus I shall take it.

[Swoop]

for those of us still young enough to remember when speed camera's were introduced...
You will also recall that they "would ONLY be used at accident black spots" then?:rolleyes:

[pritch]

I note that the camera van was parked on a hill? Always good for a few extra bucks in the kitty.

Still, for those who think NZ officials are operating with malfeasance aforethought, it could be a lot worse.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/06/justice/new-mexico-search-lawsuit/index.html

And that guy wasn't the only one...

[caspernz]

You will also recall that they "would ONLY be used at accident black spots" then?:rolleyes:

With "well-massaged-data"...they probably are being used at black spots only :killingme

[SPman]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa36/JonL_photo/1468530_680431408668071_1229349160_n_zpse38c8afe.j pg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/JonL_photo/media/1468530_680431408668071_1229349160_n_zpse38c8afe.j pg.html)

[russd7]

You will also recall that they "would ONLY be used at accident black spots" then?:rolleyes:

yeah possibly, my selective memory is only recalling certain facts:laugh:
but it still doesn't debunk the argument that if you are speeding and you get caught then fair cop regardless of the method, the motorway cameras are coming to check regos anyway, thank f**k we dont have motorways where i live:bleh:

[Mogwa]

Very thorough review of that camera van so far. Can anyone confirm that they do leave the vehicle?
Ive seen this and other vans loaded with very expensive cameras and dont think police would be naive enough to think nothing would happen ever.
Ive also seen them idling away on the side of the road on cold mornings possibly to keep the batteries charged enough to run the cameras, probably though just to keep mr (or Ms) Po Po toesys warm.
I also notice survey strips (two black hoses spanning the road) positioned in the same general locations. Does anyone know how these get used and what info they gather.

As far as rights being violated by hiding these cameras... risk vs reward . is it really worth speeding everywhere

[Woodman]

So.. how would you do it? What would your KPIs be?

Personally, I just assume that their could be a speed camera, marked car or unmarked car on any road at any time. Its my choice to speed and my fault if I get caught. Don't understand the revenue gathering argument.

So I get red bling for this??? Cool Elcoyote, you have made my day.

[baffa]

So I get red bling for this??? Cool Elcoyote, you have made my day.

Of course you get red bling, logic isnt allowed on these foramz.

Take the speed camera part of the argument away and replace it with random breath test or reg and wof checks, and you realise just how stupid his "argument" is.

"How dare they not warn me when there is going to be a breath test, so I can sober up before I drive"!!!

[russd7]

"How dare they not warn me when there is going to be a breath test, so I can sober up before I drive"!!!

actually they do let you know there is going to be breath testing at every march hare rally for the last three years and yet they still get people over the limit:brick:

[Jay GTI]

If you don't speed you won't caught. It's simple. Or at least that is what the 2 braincell and one isn't working muppets love to roll out when ever anyone brings out the issue of speed cameras. Failing to understand that they are the simple ones.

Try not speeding, ever. Go on. Do it for a week and don't speed once during every single trip you make, work and back, social trips, running the kids around, what ever. It's apparently simple, so stop talking about it and fucking do it. Once you've passed that epically easy task, don't speed at all, ever, for a month. Fucking easy as pissing your pants, so bollocks to that, do it for a year. And when you've achieved that effortless milestone, NEVER EVER SPEED AGAIN, EVER BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLE, ISN'T IT?

So simple that even Cops can't manage it. Politicians can't manage it. The bleating idiots that think speed cameras serve any purpose other than revenue gathering can't do it. So simple that in fact no-one can manage it. Ever.

There are millions of road journeys being taken, every single day, successfully, at over the speed limit. Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions. Daily. Without incident. No crashes, no injuries, no dying. Millions of people today have got into a motor vehicle, somewhere in the world, and driven over the speed limit with nothing happening to them at all, apart from them reaching their destination.

Fucking don't speed and you won't get caught retards.

[rastuscat]

i feel if the police were really serious about slowing the public down..............surely ALL their cars........parked up or otherwise......would be marked wouldn't they?........i mean a more visable presence on the road would have to equate to people driving slower wouldn't it?

Ponder the deterrent question here.

A marked car has whats called a halo effect. If we see a police car, we tend to drive a little more carefully. Inversely, when we can't see a police car, we tend to be a little less cautious.

Plain cars are well publicized. Surely everyone knows that the Police use plain cars, mainly for other things, but also for road policing. This knowledge in itself creates a degree of deterrent.

Having those plain cars also allows the Police road cops to see the un-halo'd driving of some numpties who might have seen the marked patrol car. We get to see some reall shitty driving from the plain cars that we don't see from the marked ones.

Still, I personally prefer marked cars. I'm keen on the overt deterrent. I also always wear my hat in public, and my yellow snake coat. Basically I feel that if anyone is silly enough to get caught by a mobile enforcment billboard, well, I don't have too much sympathy.

Some of my colleagues prefer to deal with the really shitty driving offences, so like the plain cars. They see more really sitty driving from them.

Consider also the nature of risk. Risk is a small number of really shitty things that happen very occasionally, but it's also the little things that happen all the time, frequently. E.g. Someone comes down Springfield Road at 85 in a 50 maybe every day or so. Almost everyone else comes down that road at 55. We write tickets for those doing 11 or more over. Ee get hundreds at 55, but maybe 2% doing over 60. Funny really, when the guy doing 61 says that everyone is doing it. When I know that's bollocks.

Anyhoo, back to the OP. Plain cars exist. Just a thought. Ride like you're being watched. Maybe then you'll not have to worry. I've done 2657 km in the last 10 days on the bike, around the South Island, and spent zero time worrying about getting caught. Coz I was doing nothing to get caught for.

Donuts.
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[Zedder]

Ponder the deterrent question here.

A marked car has whats called a halo effect. If we see a police car, we tend to drive a little more carefully. Inversely, when we can't see a police car, we tend to be a little less cautious.

Plain cars are well publicized. Surely everyone knows that the Police use plain cars, mainly for other things, but also for road policing. This knowledge in itself creates a degree of deterrent.

Having those plain cars also allows the Police road cops to see the un-halo'd driving of some numpties who might have seen the marked patrol car. We get to see some reall shitty driving from the plain cars that we don't see from the marked ones.

Still, I personally prefer marked cars. I'm keen on the overt deterrent. I also always wear my hat in public, and my yellow snake coat. Basically I feel that if anyone is silly enough to get caught by a mobile enforcment billboard, well, I don't have too much sympathy.

Some of my colleagues prefer to deal with the really shitty driving offences, so like the plain cars. They see more really sitty driving from them.

Consider also the nature of risk. Risk is a small number of really shitty things that happen very occasionally, but it's also the little things that happen all the time, frequently. E.g. Someone comes down Springfield Road at 85 in a 50 maybe every day or so. Almost everyone else comes down that road at 55. We write tickets for those doing 11 or more over. Ee get hundreds at 55, but maybe 2% doing over 60. Funny really, when the guy doing 61 says that everyone is doing it. When I know that's bollocks.

Anyhoo, back to the OP. Plain cars exist. Just a thought. Ride like you're being watched. Maybe then you'll not have to worry. I've done 2657 km in the last 10 days on the bike, around the South Island, and spent zero time worrying about getting caught. Coz I was doing nothing to get caught for.

Donuts.
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Good post there rtc. I've been out and about a lot since I've been back and happily still have no gubbermint revenue to report apart from usual on road costs.

How'd the MOTONZ application go?



Alpacas! (Couldn't be stuffed doing the image thing)

[russd7]

If you don't speed you won't caught. It's simple. Or at least that is what the 2 braincell and one isn't working muppets love to roll out when ever anyone brings out the issue of speed cameras. Failing to understand that they are the simple ones.

Try not speeding, ever. Go on. Do it for a week and don't speed once during every single trip you make, work and back, social trips, running the kids around, what ever. It's apparently simple, so stop talking about it and fucking do it. Once you've passed that epically easy task, don't speed at all, ever, for a month. Fucking easy as pissing your pants, so bollocks to that, do it for a year. And when you've achieved that effortless milestone, NEVER EVER SPEED AGAIN, EVER BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLE, ISN'T IT?

So simple that even Cops can't manage it. Politicians can't manage it. The bleating idiots that think speed cameras serve any purpose other than revenue gathering can't do it. So simple that in fact no-one can manage it. Ever.

There are millions of road journeys being taken, every single day, successfully, at over the speed limit. Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions. Daily. Without incident. No crashes, no injuries, no dying. Millions of people today have got into a motor vehicle, somewhere in the world, and driven over the speed limit with nothing happening to them at all, apart from them reaching their destination.

Fucking don't speed and you won't get caught retards.
god what a pathetic attempt at a rant, i have had numerous speeding infringements and all on the open road, i would have to say the lowest was for 16kms/hr over, the only time i have had a ticket for 104kms was back in 1983 on the open road, anyone here remember what the open road speed limit was back then.
and i do my best not to speed in lower speed zones and that does include roadworks

grow some nuts, suck it up and get on with your life

[rastuscat]

Good post there rtc. I've been out and about a lot since I've been back and happily still have no gubbermint revenue to report apart from usual on road costs.

How'd the MOTONZ application go?



Apps close this Friday. I haven't heard back yet, don't expect much though.

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[scumdog]

See a common theme here......

Rastuscat "Ponder the deterrent question here.

A marked car has whats called a halo effect. If we see a police car, we tend to drive a little more carefully. Inversely, when we can't see a police car, we tend to be a little less cautious.

Plain cars are well publicized. Surely everyone knows that the Police use plain cars, mainly for other things, but also for road policing. This knowledge in itself creates a degree of deterrent.

Having those plain cars also allows the Police road cops to see the un-halo'd driving of some numpties who might have seen the marked patrol car. We get to see some reall shitty driving from the plain cars that we don't see from the marked ones."


Scumdog:"Yep, I'm sure a Gods-eye-view of a marked cop-car driving along the road would show a 'bubble' of fairly good driving in the vicinity of the cop-car as it goes along.

Further out ahead and behind it would show the fairly 'average-to-poor' standard of driving that normally abounds when people think no cop is around."

[Akzle]

See a common theme here......

Rastuscat "Ponder the deterrent question here.

A marked car has whats called a halo effect. If we see a police car, we tend to drive a little more carefully. Inversely, when we can't see a police car, we tend to be a little less cautious.

Plain cars are well publicized. Surely everyone knows that the Police use plain cars, mainly for other things, but also for road policing. This knowledge in itself creates a degree of deterrent.

Having those plain cars also allows the Police road cops to see the un-halo'd driving of some numpties who might have seen the marked patrol car. We get to see some reall shitty driving from the plain cars that we don't see from the marked ones."


Scumdog:"Yep, I'm sure a Gods-eye-view of a marked cop-car driving along the road would show a 'bubble' of fairly good driving in the vicinity of the cop-car as it goes along.

Further out ahead and behind it would show the fairly 'average-to-poor' standard of driving that normally abounds when people think no cop is around."

i dont get it.

...youre both jews?

I'm going to "speed". Everywhere i go tomorow.

[russd7]

Scumdog:"Yep, I'm sure a Gods-eye-view of a marked cop-car driving along the road would show a 'bubble' of fairly good driving in the vicinity of the cop-car as it goes along.

Further out ahead and behind it would show the fairly 'average-to-poor' standard of driving that normally abounds when people think no cop is around."

thankfully im an athiest and my driving/riding is beyond reproach until proven otherwise:eek:

[pritch]

I'm going to "speed". Everywhere i go tomorow.

Cool, but FFS don't come on KB and whinge about it if you get caught. :whistle: