Another reason for full face helmet? [Archive]

ital916

8th January 2014, 07:24

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9585978/Courier-hurt-during-fall-into-deep-hole

Nope.

Adults are given choice, we know the risks. The beauty of having a hobby is making personal decisions.

What I wonder is how someone does not see a meter deep hole.

A rider that is aware and observant of road conditions, would have.

Voltaire

8th January 2014, 07:26

and don't ride a bicycle, don't drive a car over 100 kmph, don't go the Viaduct after midnight, don't eat food in Bali, don't go fishing without a life jacket... and so on.

Tigadee

8th January 2014, 07:33

...don't put up the toilet seat, don't squeeze the tube from the end, don't...

roogazza

8th January 2014, 07:41

He's waiting to see if ACC will cover his smashed out teeth !!!!!!!
Well fuck me !!!!!! is there any doubt ? :angry:

Milts

8th January 2014, 07:55

Another reason? That kind of injury is exactly why I do wear a full face helmet....

chasio

8th January 2014, 09:10

Nope.

Adults are given choice, we know the risks. The beauty of having a hobby is making personal decisions.

What I wonder is how someone does not see a meter deep hole.

A rider that is aware and observant of road conditions, would have.

Yes, but maybe a bit harsh at the end, since we don't know the circumstances. It was 7:30am, he could have been riding into the sun or dealing with deep shadows, and may have dropped his speed to 20km/h already as a result (can't have been that quick to not break his neck, surely). But that's all speculation, of course. No-one knows and he can't remember.

That said, I do note the bloke isn't seeking to blame anyone unduly and suggests his attention failed, which is to his credit.

Jackpot

8th January 2014, 09:22

Another reason? That kind of injury is exactly why I do wear a full face helmet....

Indeed......

jasonu

8th January 2014, 14:13

"offer to pay power or grocery bills to help with his recovery"

I'd opt with the power bill option, the poor guy is probably going to be eating baby food for the next while after his dental reconstruction.

Fuck that! Those cunts should be paying for everything that guy has to spend money on until he goes back to work. They should also buy him a new scroater and give him a decent cash payout for his pain and suffering. Bet they don't though.

James Deuce

8th January 2014, 14:26

Wearing a full face as a scooter courier would be tedious and add up to a considerable amount of wasted time taking the thing off and putting it back on over the course of a day/week/month/year.

TheDemonLord

8th January 2014, 14:35

Big Dave

8th January 2014, 14:37

Can't you get those Snazzy Cop Helmets that are full face but can open the front bit up

(fuck knows what they are called)

System helmets.

James Deuce

8th January 2014, 14:39

Can't you get those Snazzy Cop Helmets that are full face but can open the front bit up

(fuck knows what they are called)

Most scroter riders won't spend that much on a helmet, and banks still consider those to occlude the face with the front up. DAMHIK.

jasonu

8th January 2014, 14:42

Wearing a full face as a scooter courier would be tedious and add up to a considerable amount of wasted time taking the thing off and putting it back on over the course of a day/week/month/year.

Maybe better than having your teeth smashed in don't ya think.
I remember when an MOT bike cop who was wearing the MOT issue open face pudding basin fell of one of those shitty CBX650's with the handlebar mounted screen (got the speed wobbles as I remember) and slid along the road on his face. It was not long after the MOT allowed them to choose their own full face lids as long as they had the pop up chin piece.

James Deuce

8th January 2014, 14:48

Maybe better than having your teeth smashed in don't ya think.
I remember when an MOT bike cop who was wearing the MOT issue open face pudding basin fell of one of those shitty CBX650's with the handlebar mounted screen (got the speed wobbles as I remember) and slid along the road on his face. It was not long after the MOT allowed them to choose their own full face lids as long as they had the pop up chin piece.

Nope. There's no good reason to compel anyone to do anything. Especially when it comes to the choice of legally available helmet. He has an awesome attitde, he knows he fucked up and the construction firm have been bloody good. The people responsible for the unmarked crater usually retreat behind a wall of lawyers. Let's not blame his injuries on not wearing what you consider an appropriate helmet. That's the sort of thing the Government loves to hear.

It's like that retarded "speeding" ad they've launched. The dude with his kid in the back pulled out onto the main road without checking properly. It's his fault. His responsibility to check properly before exiting an intersection or driveway. No one elses. Let's see them make an ad where the driver makes a mistake and pulls out in front of motorcyclist and kills him. Like FUCK they'll make that.

Gremlin

8th January 2014, 15:12

Can't you get those Snazzy Cop Helmets that are full face but can open the front bit up

(fuck knows what they are called)
You're talking about flip front helmets.

Interestingly, places like California, the motorcycle cops still often use 1/2 or 3/4 helmets, due to it "enhancing their communication with the public". I wince when I see that, sure, they're skilled, but it doesn't stop someone pulling out on them (which happens).

My two helmets are flip fronts, very handy for a multitude of things.

awa355

8th January 2014, 15:22

Must have been a high risk day for scooters. I damn near dropped my front wheel in this yesterday. Street is Shakespeare st Lemington.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Snapshot18-01-20144-13pm.png

Phoned the Waipa district council. They didn't think it was too much to worry about.

jasonu

8th January 2014, 15:28

Nope. There's no good reason to compel anyone to do anything. Especially when it comes to the choice of legally available helmet. He has an awesome attitde, he knows he fucked up and the construction firm have been bloody good. The people responsible for the unmarked crater usually retreat behind a wall of lawyers. Let's not blame his injuries on not wearing what you consider an appropriate helmet. That's the sort of thing the Government loves to hear.
.

Mate what I ment was the outcome may have been better with a full face lid. He (and anyone else) can wear whatever lid he wants for all I care.

HenryDorsetCase

8th January 2014, 15:30

James Deuce

8th January 2014, 15:42

flip front the best of both worlds?

Not in a bank. They shout at you and hit alarm buttons.

James Deuce

8th January 2014, 15:49

Mate what I ment was the outcome may have been better with a full face lid. He (and anyone else) can wear whatever lid he wants for all I care.

I know what you meant. The word is full of "shoulda, woulda, coulda", but it's pointless. I've seen people lose teeth and eyes wearing a full face. I've lost teeth wearing a full face.

Big Dave

8th January 2014, 15:53

system helmets the best of both worlds?

Convenient. But overall the worst in noise world and not as strong as a normal full face.

Not that I care either - I use an open face quite a lot.

danchop

8th January 2014, 16:45

Wearing a full face as a scooter courier would be tedious and add up to a considerable amount of wasted time taking the thing off and putting it back on over the course of a day/week/month/year.
what he said ^^ scooter courier here,impractical wearing a fullface although i have 3,for the reasons above.i have better vision also with a next to nothing helmet,plus i look way cooler with my openface

St_Gabriel

8th January 2014, 20:01

Must have been a high risk day for scooters. I damn near dropped my front wheel in this yesterday. Street is Shakespeare st Lemington.

Phoned the Waipa district council. They didn't think it was too much to worry about.

Dont know what time that was but when I went through there at around 1545hrs, there was a cone on the section (being in the middle of the lane) and also evidence of dirt/cement/"road building stuff" being placed in and around the hole. God to know they were at least reactive. Curious though to know what time you called them

SMOKEU

8th January 2014, 21:44

I've lost teeth wearing a full face.

Did the helmet get smashed, or come loose?

Voltaire

9th January 2014, 07:13

It's like that retarded "speeding" ad they've launched. The dude with his kid in the back pulled out onto the main road without checking properly. It's his fault. His responsibility to check properly before exiting an intersection or driveway. No one elses. Let's see them make an ad where the driver makes a mistake and pulls out in front of motorcyclist and kills him. Like FUCK they'll make that.

I think their point is that just because you make a mistake you should not have to pay the ultimate price for it, and other road users should factor that into their driving. I was approaching a roundabout on my bike going to work the other day and the car who should have given way did not appear to be slowing down enough so I braked and stopped. My feeble 1974 BMW horn told him I was not happy...he gave a 'sorry wave"
I only had my light on, hi viz jacket on, so no wonder really......and he was not from round there here parts either....

They probably wont make the bike add as less people relate to it, an motorcyclists are generally more aware of the lack of "opps" factor.

Hands up who has never made a bad decision on the road and got away with it.

As you were ;)

ckai

9th January 2014, 10:31

Must have been a high risk day for scooters. I damn near dropped my front wheel in this yesterday. Street is Shakespeare st Lemington.

Phoned the Waipa district council. They didn't think it was too much to worry about.

Jesus that's a big hole! If they still haven't done anything, but it sounds like they have, I've got a cool big orange cone we can whack in front of it. Buggered if I know where it came from but I've been looking to do something useful with it :) I think they're actually made for this type of thing too, unless you're in Dunna's. Then they're used to decorate, and drink shit loads of piss out of.

neels

9th January 2014, 10:59

In ChCh while the big shakes have now died down after any rainfall the road can sink in pockets due to the liquifaction that still remains under it.

Yep, drove through one of those yesterday evening in the car, pretty hard to see just on dark and the same colour as the surrounding road.

Definately need to keep your wits about you on a bike in good old ChCh these days...

pritch

9th January 2014, 11:03

Funny the way we get used to safety gear and would then be uncomfortable without it. Wore open face for years wouldn't consider it now. Rode through a swarm of wasps recently, full face was a definite plus.

Had a BMW "golfball" sytem helmet and thought it was noisy and blamed the noise on the join so haven't worn a flip face since.

On that bloody ad, I see it has received praise overseas, presumably for the production values. My problem with the ad is it talks about other people making mistakes. Therefore the 90 percent of driving impaired fuckwits that travel our roads in the firm, but baseless, belief that they are good drivers will think it doesn't apply to them.

Jackpot

24th January 2014, 09:24

Boom -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9645939/Helmet-saves-rider-in-head-on

Paul in NZ

24th January 2014, 09:55

Shit yes - been through there a few times and it can get bloody windy

buggerit

24th January 2014, 09:57

Boom -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9645939/Helmet-saves-rider-in-head-on

I wonder what caused the most injuries,the car or the gaurd rail.I see they have started using I beams instead of timber on the supports
for the gaurd rails up our way.
Looking at the picture it is not obvious why the gaurd rails are there,can someone with local knowledge shed any light on this?

TheDemonLord

24th January 2014, 10:05

I should post up a picture of my (ex) Shoei after my tumble - there is a lovely scrape where my face went down SHW1, but thanks to the Full Face, I still have my Butt-Ugly Looks....

The Reibz

24th January 2014, 21:56

I should post up a picture of my (ex) Shoei after my tumble - there is a lovely scrape where my face went down SHW1, but thanks to the Full Face, I still have my Butt-Ugly Looks....

Hurry up nad post a pick then cunt. Then cunts can tell you what you did wrong, even though they weren't there and most of them haven't ridden a bike in years anyway...

TheDemonLord

25th January 2014, 07:20

Hurry up nad post a pick then cunt. Then cunts can tell you what you did wrong, even though they weren't there and most of them haven't ridden a bike in years anyway...

I know right? someone will tell me that they have 38 years riding experience and I was going 'fast' and therefor not safe.

They will also deduce that from the scratch marks, I was riding with my foot at a 45 degree angle instead of the optimum angle and that had I eaten IAMS cat food before riding I wouldn't have crashed

Amidoingitrite?

Berries

25th January 2014, 07:30

I know right? someone will tell me that they have 38 years riding experience and I was going 'fast' and therefor not safe.

They will also deduce that from the scratch marks, I was riding with my foot at a 45 degree angle instead of the optimum angle and that had I eaten IAMS cat food before riding I wouldn't have crashed
Nah, they will just see that you have a Honda and come to the same conclusions.

FJRider

25th January 2014, 08:05

Looking at the picture it is not obvious why the gaurd rails are there,can someone with local knowledge shed any light on this?

Google (Maps) is your friend ...

https://maps.google.co.nz/?ll=-41.573527,174.036484&spn=0.035701,0.055189&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=-41.573809,174.036828&panoid=AzI4j7_O3kJy1tepJcQDRA&cbp=12,321.62,,0,-0.28

TheDemonLord

25th January 2014, 08:11

Nah, they will just see that you have a Honda and come to the same conclusions.

Lawl - what is with the Honda Hate?

I mean, I would have bought myself a Hayabusa, but the dealership wouldn't let me on my Learners.....

skippa1

25th January 2014, 08:27

Lawl - what is with the Honda Hate?

I mean, I would have bought myself a Hayabusa, but the dealership wouldn't let me on my Learners.....

Find a new dealer

jellywrestler

25th January 2014, 08:29

Looking at the picture it is not obvious why the gaurd rails are there,can someone with local knowledge shed any light on this?

we'll you're a fuckwit who shouldn't even be allowed near the raod. If you look there's a yellow sign, these signs announce rail overbridges and rivers and streams etc. If you don't know this you shouldn't be near the roads sonny

unstuck

25th January 2014, 09:08

Boom -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9645939/Helmet-saves-rider-in-head-on

Good spot for a couple of dope plants up on the right there.:msn-wink:

quickbuck

25th January 2014, 09:17

Boom -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9645939/Helmet-saves-rider-in-head-on

Yup, I know the rider involved with this one. Will be in Wellington for a little while. We are all hoping for a full recovery.

Sent from my Nokia using Tapa talk.

skippa1

25th January 2014, 09:21

Boom -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9645939/Helmet-saves-rider-in-head-on

I wrote off my Speed Triple about 3 corners south of that spot

FJRider

25th January 2014, 09:22

Good spot for a couple of dope plants up on the right there.:msn-wink:

Just off a well policed section of highway one .... maybe not ... :shifty:

unstuck

25th January 2014, 09:26

Just off a well policed section of highway one .... maybe not ... :shifty:

Even better. Who,s gonna be dumb enough to put some there.:weird:

rastuscat

25th January 2014, 17:13

Can't you get those Snazzy Cop Helmets that are full face but can open the front bit up

(fuck knows what they are called)

Mines called Simon.:Police:

Metastable

25th January 2014, 17:40

Statistically speaking 35% of all head impacts happen on the chin. That is the highest concentration of anywhere on the helmet, actually no other part of the helmet sees anywhere near as much impact. These results were found when the Hurt Report was published way back when. I doubt things have changed much with regards to this statistic. If one includes the visor area, that stat goes up to 45%. So, close to half of all impacts happen where a 3/4 lid doesn't protect you.

Having said that, I am all for choice.... I feel more comfortable wearing a full face.... but to each their own. If someone wants to go without a lid. Go for it!.... 1/2 lid..... Go for it!

Diagram of Helmet Impacts:

http://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/injury_prevention/children/toolkits/motorcycles/docs/motorcycle_helmets_420x187.png

YellowDog

25th January 2014, 17:55

I wear a 'flip up' helmet myself and always have it flipped down when riding.

That poor bastard got hit where he could not possibly have expected it to happen.

ACC makes such accidents, contributed to by a negligent third party, likely to be repeated.

IMO - ACC should be able to claim back from the road works contracting firm. Teach them to be more responsible :yes: