How not to ride at the track - Hampton Rider Skills Day

[Vinz0r]

Found this on another forum so thought I'd chuck it up here.
This was from the Rider skills training day at Hampton on the 10th, no serious injuries apart from a few scuffs and grazes where the guys leather wore through.

Pretty fucking bad form by the rider who took him out; apparently he tried to take off after the incident as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrNiO7GTBEg

[TheDemonLord]

ouch!

Props to the first rider for being able to keep it upright in the dirt for so long! I did smile at the very end when you see whoever it was throwing a peice of bike in frustration.

Can someone enlighten as to overtaking rules on track days (more for my curiosity than any desire to measure out blame)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pretty fucking bad form by the rider who took him out; apparently he tried to take off after the incident as well.



Yep. Total muppet. But with all due respect...the geezer on the bike filming in the first bit of the clip could've easily avoided going down. That's what you get at race tracks sometimes unfortunately.

[jasonu]

Yep. That's what you get at race tracks sometimes when dumb cunts do stupid and dangerous things after being told at briefing and agreeing to abide by the rules and to follow the officials instructions not to do those things unfortunately. FUCK HIM NO EXCUSE!

Fixed it for ya...:niceone:

[sil3nt]

ouch!

Props to the first rider for being able to keep it upright in the dirt for so long! I did smile at the very end when you see whoever it was throwing a peice of bike in frustration.

Can someone enlighten as to overtaking rules on track days (more for my curiosity than any desire to measure out blame)There was a 2 metre rule and we were told on the day to treat the yellow pit lines as a concrete wall. He managed to ignore both rules and ruin the day for two others.

[HenryDorsetCase]

"skills" day? really?

[Akzle]

he was doing 114. that's 10km/h faster than is safe.
no wonder.

[The Reibz]

Shes a write off

[Kickaha]

There was a 2 metre rule and we were told on the day to treat the yellow pit lines as a concrete wall. He managed to ignore both rules and ruin the day for two others.

It looked like he was trying to avoid crossing the yellow pit entry lines

[nodrog]

It looked like he was trying to avoid crossing the yellow pit entry lines

yep, doesn't look like he crossed them too me.

I blame the guy on the Italian tractor, if he wasn't stuck in second gear maybe this wouldn't of happened.

Looks pretty innocent too me, the guy on the blue bike had more pace on and looked like he had the door shut on him to be honest. (he probably should have crossed the pit entry to avoid the collision, but hey rules is rules)

Fuck knows what sort of retardation the triumph rider is on though. Was it a sympathy fall off?

[James Deuce]

It looked like he was trying to avoid crossing the yellow pit entry lines

That's what I thought too. Classic example of someone overwhelmed by rules, speed, racetrack (lookitmeMum!) and close proximity to another bike, doing something weirdly dumb.

[James Deuce]

Fuck knows what sort of retardation the triumph rider is on though. Was it a sympathy fall off?

Yes. Looks like the sort of dumb shit I do. "Hey, look at that guy trying not to crash on the grass. Hey look, I'm on the grass. Hey look, He crashed! Oh shit, I crashed."

[Banditbandit]

he was doing 114. that's 10km/h faster than is safe.
no wonder.

Naaa ... More like 130 plus and accelerating ... you can barely see the speed under the cables of the second rider's bike ... I've taken that corner at 130klicks - not on a sprots bike .. the only thing was I scrapped my boots .. the rider on the front bike is a lot slower though - taking that corner at under 100 klicks ...

Yeah .. the second rider should not have gone down

Dumb shithead on the blue bike (R1?) should not have taken out the other rider .. taking a corner on the inside like that on a skills day is just stupidity - if he was that good he could have taken the outside line and still got passed ...

[unstuck]

Fuck that, motorcycles are dangerous.

[sil3nt]

Not sure why people are calling it a 'skills day'. I don't recall any mention of that when I signed up. From what I saw it was a normal track day with a compulsory briefing for newbies after their first session with instructors there for anyone throughout the day.

[chucklesby]

Some hero wannabe on his race bike out to "carve up" a guy on his road bike?

what a cunt

[Grubber]

Not sure why people are calling it a 'skills day'. I don't recall any mention of that when I signed up. From what I saw it was a normal track day with a compulsory briefing for newbies after their first session with instructors there for anyone throughout the day.

You are correct Silent! It was an open track day. i was there also and the track day crash thread was all about this.
We must keep our information exact before we post i feel!:facepalm:
The very same video is in that thread.

[@ndy]

That moment just before you crash when you know you can't do anything about it... Just sucks!

[argada]

Yes. Looks like the sort of dumb shit I do. "Hey, look at that guy trying not to crash on the grass. Hey look, I'm on the grass. Hey look, He crashed! Oh shit, I crashed."

Analyzing the video footage after the fact (safely behind your computer screen), you can "easily" see how the triumph could have avoided an accident.

He was braking - which unfortunately put himself in collision path with the down-ed bike and rider, and the grass seemed a better option than potentially running over another rider. If he maintained his speed - things would have been fine. BUT lets be honest here - if a bike goes down right in front of you, it'll be hard not to brake. Most people don't encounter this type of sh!t every day you know!

[SMOKEU]

Can someone enlighten as to overtaking rules on track days (more for my curiosity than any desire to measure out blame)

Don't overtake on the inside of a corner.

[jasonu]

ouch!

Can someone enlighten as to overtaking rules on track days (more for my curiosity than any desire to measure out blame)


Don't overtake on the inside of a corner.

It isn't race day so don't ride like a cunt.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The geezer doing the bad shit realized it was gonna be tight...he fucking freaked and picked the bike up a lil or simply didn't have the skill/balls to keep the bike on it's side and collided with Joe Bloggs that was minding his own business. Joe Bloggs # 2 freaked and made his own destiny.

[ellipsis]

...any attempts at being half man, half horse...half here, half there...a drag racing greenie...half sorry, are all doomed to failure...as is being half racer, half rider...there's enough fucking eggs in racing to keep you on yer toes...to many options for too many cunts that think they are half good...dont wanna make anyone think that maybe they should get scooters and take their girlfriends on picnics out in the country though...that wouldn't be very PC would it...

[300weatherby]

...any attempts at being half man, half horse...half here, half there...a drag racing greenie...half sorry, are all doomed to failure...as is being half racer, half rider...there's enough fucking eggs in racing to keep you on yer toes...to many options for too many cunts that think they are half good...dont wanna make anyone think that maybe they should get scooters and take their girlfriends on picnics out in the country though...that wouldn't be very PC would it...

There's this bloke called Lockie, runs Cams days, not too different to rider days, just with flag starts. At briefing he fixes you with the evil eye, and warns you: if you behave/ride like a muppet, you will be put on the trailer and sent home, if you crash on warmup lap you will be put on trailer and sent home, if you have a crash during the race or near miss or near contact on other riders, you will get looked at and risk being put on the trailer and sent home- He is quite serious about it and makes that crystal clear, guess what? seldom an incident.

Maybe the track marshalls need to pay attention and make notes and communicate with their control station early on if some one is showing a pattern, won't stop the innocent road riders over reacting and helping themselves to a crash, but might help spot the muppet causing crash potential in the first place and remove him from the equasion.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't overtake on the inside of a corner.

depends on the track day and the organisers and what group you are in. If there are three C being "fastest/most comfortable on track" then you can pass anywhere, B being "intermediate" then its passing on the straights and outsides and "A" being newbs then its passing on the straights only. Sometimes there is a separate group for MNZ race licence holders as well because they can tend to intimidate the road riders a bit. Plus (trust me on this) its REALLY expensive to deck your road bike on a track day.

[quickbuck]

Yup, the first 30 seconds was some of the worst throttle control I have seen in a long time! Then someone broke the Coming Inside rule......

Only luck prevented it from being a lot worse!


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[HenryDorsetCase]

Then someone broke the Coming Inside rule......



As in don't? there are more reliable methods of birth control you know.

[nodrog]

Maybe they should give out free bubblewrap at riders briefing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe they should give out free bubblewrap at riders briefing.

If only someone had given out free condoms to the squids parents.

[nodrog]

If only someone had given out free condoms to the squids parents.

then we wouldn't exist bro!

[Big Dave]

then we wouldn't exist bro!

Notta root.

[Hoon]

Analyzing the video footage after the fact (safely behind your computer screen), you can "easily" see how the triumph could have avoided an accident.

He was braking - which unfortunately put himself in collision path with the down-ed bike and rider, and the grass seemed a better option than potentially running over another rider. If he maintained his speed - things would have been fine. BUT lets be honest here - if a bike goes down right in front of you, it'll be hard not to brake. Most people don't encounter this type of sh!t every day you know!
First watch I thought the same too but after looking closer I think we are being a little harsh. The front wreck was shepherding him to the outside of the track and was already blocking his intended line. To avoid he would've had to go dangerously off line to the left (a suicide line in itself) and expecting anyone to keep the gas on in that situation with the approaching grass/wall and wreck on your right squeezing you even closer is a big ask. Even if you did get passed you are still faced with a just as difficult snap right turn at speed to stay on the track.

Yes watching the video we can see that there might be enough space to squeeze around and still make the turn but the rider doesn't have the luxury of foresight nor time to decide. I'd say that anyone WITHOUT the balls and experience of a National level racer would have similarly come unstuck in that situation.

What I quickly learned from racing is that in survival situations like this you either go 100% or you slow 100%, there's no in between. The worst thing you can do is back off/coast to see what happens as this quickly narrows down your options and likelihood of them succeeding. Once the rider backed off, the "making it around" option was off the table. Alternatively if he e-braked instead, he would've opened more options - including losing the front and ending up in the wall anyway :)

I was impressed with how the rider still continued to downshift as he was skipping across the grass. My clutch hand would've been locked just as tight as my sphincter :)

[FROSTY]

My breakdown of the crash is that I saw one rider dropping down to the right to the line they chose.it was a small shift that moved the bike to the right
Then another rider carrying a heck of a lot more speed thinking he had a tonne of space suddenly finds he has "none".
That rider then had a lot of options. For the life of me I just don't understand why he diddn't dip right as the guy in front did -and he was several meters behind and with that much extra speed he could have been up onto his propper line well before the end of pit lane.
The third rider I have no idea at all how he crashed-there was a couple of meters between him,his freind and the grass then more space before the pit wall.
It looks like a-He freaked out out crash to me.

My feeling is that the riders brief was spelled out wrong. Theres 3.0m of useable track there for emergency use ONLY -FFS use it in an emergency.

[5150]

If only someone had given out free condoms to the squids parents.

If only his old man settled for a blowjob...:cool:

[Crasherfromwayback]

If only his old man settled for a blowjob...:cool:

Looks like his son turned out to be a blowhard.

[Grubber]

Looks like his son turned out to be a blowhard.

Pete!!! Did you really say that! To be fair i think he was a bit of a blowarse! Why would ya do something like that if you weren't.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete!!! Did you really say that! To be fair i think he was a bit of a blowarse! Why would ya do something like that if you weren't.

Well it was certainly the riding of a total wanker for sure.

[5150]

To be fair to the offending chap, his leathers were probably too tight, so he left his brain in the pit paddock......

[Dave-]

depends on the track day and the organisers and what group you are in. If there are three C being "fastest/most comfortable on track" then you can pass anywhere, B being "intermediate" then its passing on the straights and outsides and "A" being newbs then its passing on the straights only. Sometimes there is a separate group for MNZ race licence holders as well because they can tend to intimidate the road riders a bit. Plus (trust me on this) its REALLY expensive to deck your road bike on a track day.

If you're on track with other road bikes, it can be classed as training, thereby you're decreasing your chances of having an accident, therefore insurance companies are more likely to pay out.

As soon as a 'race bike' enters the track, all bets are off and you're on your own now. So I'm told. Grain of salt applies

My take on the situation is the guy on the blue bike fucked up big time. But the Italian tractor has no recourse. If you go to a track you accept all of the risks. It would be sporting of the blue bike guy to help fix the Italian, but no guarantees.

[Headbanger]

Only thing he done wrong is fall off after knocking that other fucker out of his way.

Probably wasn't going fast enough.

Faster is safer, as we all know.

[jafa21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k

[sil3nt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k
What group was that in?

[jasonu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k

Didn't look that close to me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k

Drive a bus through that gap mate. Don't ever take up racing motocross!

[jafa21]

Haha... wasnt planning on it...
I thought i share what i felt was too close. What do i know. I am only a noob.


Drive a bus through that gap mate. Don't ever take up racing motocross!

[jafa21]

What group was that in?

Not important. I left it out on purpose

[carbonhed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k

The speed differentials are huge and the lines are all over the place... slow group fo sho.

[nzspokes]

The speed differentials are huge and the lines are all over the place... slow group fo sho.

Or the track walk......

[argada]

Didn't look that close to me.

That's not the point though is it.
The rule for the day - stated clearly to everyone was:
Overtake where ever you want BUT the overtaking rider MUST maintain at least a 2m gap throughout the entire the manoeuvre.

That wasn't 2m. Bet the blue bike rider thought he had plenty of room... and then he crashed.

And I think it was probably the first lap or two, everyone bunched up - some people taking it extra easy to warm up tyres etc.

[sil3nt]

Not important. I left it out on purposeWell it wasn't novice because I was in that one. But judging by your speed and ultra early braking it looks like you should have been there too :whistle: :Pokey:

That was closer than 2m. The organisers said come to them with any issues. Did you? I doubt you will get any sympathy on this forum....

[nzspokes]

Well it wasn't novice because I was in that one. But judging by your speed and ultra early braking it looks like you should have been there too :whistle: :Pokey:

That was closer than 2m. The organisers said come to them with any issues. Did you? I doubt you will get any sympathy on this forum....

Ok, just clicked it was a playday not a ART day. Im a newb and thats kinda speed....:weep:

No ZX10s in our group.

[jafa21]

Well it wasn't novice because I was in that one. But judging by your speed and ultra early braking it looks like you should have been there too :whistle: :Pokey:

That was closer than 2m. The organisers said come to them with any issues. Did you? I doubt you will get any sympathy on this forum....

Wow you must be some top notch racer to have analyzed the 5sec video and work out so much. Either that or you are Sherlock.
I did go and tell the organizer and they said they will talk to him.
I am not here for sympathy. Just sharing what actually happened on the day. People do this kinda stuff all the time. But its only a problem when somebody gets hit.
I go to trackdays to learn and try to be as safe as possible when overtaking. I woulndt have passed that close, but obviously that guy thought he would be ok to pass and he did. Then again so did the other guy who took out three bikes.

[MVnut]

Drive a bus through that gap mate.

...........sideways !!!!!!

[sil3nt]

Wow you must be some top notch racer to have analyzed the 5sec video and work out so much. Either that or you are SherlockSadly neither :( Just someone who knows how to talk shit and wind people up :innocent:

[Drew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k
Reckon ya need to toughen up, and take the sand out of your vagina.

If people have to overtake on the outside, and you brake like a bitch, leave them more fucken room.

[jasonu]

...........sideways !!!!!!

Bus drifting???

[Kendoll]

It isn't race day so don't ride like a cunt.

Exactly, bottom line is it's a track day for people to get out and have some fun. That sort of cowboy dumbass shit isn't cool.

I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the first dodgy move he had made either... Guys like that don't just suddenly bust out something dodgy out of nowhere. Wonder if he had been spoken to by course control yet?

[imdying]

Didn't seem too close, but given what you've posted about the circumstances and the rules on the day, I wouldn't want/expect anything closer than that.

When you showed that to the organisers at the end of the session, what did they say?

[BoristheBiter]

Wow you must be some top notch racer to have analyzed the 5sec video and work out so much. Either that or you are Sherlock.
I did go and tell the organizer and they said they will talk to him.
I am not here for sympathy. Just sharing what actually happened on the day. People do this kinda stuff all the time. But its only a problem when somebody gets hit.
I go to trackdays to learn and try to be as safe as possible when overtaking. I woulndt have passed that close, but obviously that guy thought he would be ok to pass and he did. Then again so did the other guy who took out three bikes.

But from that vid.

way too early to start braking,
you were drifting to the left so closed the gap.

just wait until someone does that then cuts in front then brakes hard, then you can have a cry, or just go around them.

[jafa21]

Didn't seem too close, but given what you've posted about the circumstances and the rules on the day, I wouldn't want/expect anything closer than that.

When you showed that to the organisers at the end of the session, what did they say?

I didnt show them the video. I went and talked to one of the marshals and told him what had happened.
He asked me who it was and i pointed out the culprit. Not sure what the marshal did after that.
Feel free to post it on their Facebook page.

And for all those analyzing and saying i was too slow and hence I had it coming.
The reason for early braking was so much traffic in front as you can see in the video.
I didnt want to overtake just before the corner and hence slowed down.
I dont think i made any sudden moves for this guy to overtake so close. To me he did it just because he is faster and he thinks what he is doing is fine.
The guy definitely did it more than once. I saw him overtake pretty close few times in that same lap.
I am sure we will be having a different conversation if he had actually hit me. Too slow or not it would have been his fault as its made clear in the morning about the 2m rule.

[Drew]

I didnt show them the video. I went and talked to one of the marshals and told him what had happened.
He asked me who it was and i pointed out the culprit. Not sure what the marshal did after that.
Feel free to post it on their Facebook page.

And for all those analyzing and saying i was too slow and hence I had it coming.
The reason for early braking was so much traffic in front as you can see in the video.
I didnt want to overtake just before the corner and hence slowed down.
I dont think i made any sudden moves for this guy to overtake so close. To me he did it just because he is faster and he thinks what he is doing is fine.
The guy definitely did it more than once. I saw him overtake pretty close few times in that same lap.
I am sure we will be having a different conversation if he had actually hit me. Too slow or not it would have been his fault as its made clear in the morning about the 2m rule.
we still don't have all the facts though. What pace group was this? Anyhoo, looked like 2meters to me.

[nodrog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCG0lTIl-k

fucksakes, I could get a sidecar through there.


seriously, I think most of you cunts need to take up pocket billiards.

[Drew]

fucksakes, I could get a sidecar through there.


seriously, I think most of you cunts need to take up pocket billiards.Pfft, like you've ever overtaken anyone with your sidecar!

[nodrog]

Pfft, like you've ever overtaken anyone with your sidecar!

I seem to recall passing you on the final turn at taupo once.

[Metastable]

Harsh words on this thread.

That first video is a tough one.

- The guy passing needs to take responsibility for a clean pass. That's rule #1 of trackdays.... any trackday I have been to that is the golden rule. No one is going to win anything.... but there is a huge chance for losing.

on the other hand

- The guy who got hit took a pretty bad line..... the door was WIDE open and then he moved over for no reason, he didn't keep on his line. There was room and then it was gone.

I have no idea when in the day that took place, but the first couple of sessions guys are often still learning the track and things can be a bit more unpredictable. Also if you are passing everyone in the group at Mach 10, then maybe you are in the wrong group. However, if that is the case, then you should be able to pick a better spot for passing rather than a dodgy one.

Also, the advanced group is usually fairly safe. The speeds are higher, but folks hold their lines and are much more predictable. Beginner groups are usually fairly safe too. The problem group is usually the intermediate group. Speed differentials tend to be too great, you get the guy trying to be the intermediate Rossi and you get guys that should be taking lessons thinking that they are fast enough, when they aren't.

[BoristheBiter]

Harsh words on this thread.

Also, the advanced group is usually fairly safe. The speeds are higher, but folks hold their lines and are much more predictable. Beginner groups are usually fairly safe too. The problem group is usually the intermediate group. Speed differentials tend to be too great, you get the guy trying to be the intermediate Rossi and you get guys that should be taking lessons thinking that they are fast enough, when they aren't.

The biggest problem is when the faster groups sell out so quick riders drop down a group and think they are still riding in a fast group.
You see this a lot at Taupo when groups 2 & 3 sell out and no one wants to play in the racers group so they move into group 4 and start cutting up slow and learner riders.

The organisers of all track days need to be more proactive and move riders accordingly.
And some riders just need to learn patience.

[ggreen]

Getting me worried now - I have a beginners track day booked for a months time ... dont want to be "that guy"!

[nodrog]

Getting me worried now - I have a beginners track day booked for a months time ... dont want to be "that guy"!

Take bubblewrap

[c4.]

Getting me worried now - I have a beginners track day booked for a months time ... dont want to be "that guy"!

Relax, that is a very rare accident, and not something you will see in slow group (disclaimer: no guarantees).
Most of the guys/girls are there to have safe fun. Put your hand up as a first timer and you will even get some FREE track tuition.
Make your fears/concerns known to your instructor and he/she will keep an eye on/out for you.

[ggreen]

Thanks for that - reassuring!

[Mike.Gayner]

I didnt show them the video. I went and talked to one of the marshals and told him what had happened.
He asked me who it was and i pointed out the culprit. Not sure what the marshal did after that.
Feel free to post it on their Facebook page.

And for all those analyzing and saying i was too slow and hence I had it coming.
The reason for early braking was so much traffic in front as you can see in the video.
I didnt want to overtake just before the corner and hence slowed down.
I dont think i made any sudden moves for this guy to overtake so close. To me he did it just because he is faster and he thinks what he is doing is fine.
The guy definitely did it more than once. I saw him overtake pretty close few times in that same lap.
I am sure we will be having a different conversation if he had actually hit me. Too slow or not it would have been his fault as its made clear in the morning about the 2m rule.

Butch up little girl.

[trustme]

Butch up little girl.

Wanker :tugger:

[newbie2012]

Getting me worried now - I have a beginners track day booked for a months time ... dont want to be "that guy"!

Ah, don't worry about it, You will be fine. I've done my first couple of training days in the novice/slow group and it was awesome. Everyone gave each other room and seemed to take the attitude that if you don't think you've got room to get past, don't push it.

The fast group are just awesome to watch, very skilled and bloody fast and seem to know acceptable track behaviour. I'll worry about the middle groups when I learn to brake later, lean harder and develop more confidence (and possibly learn to bitch & moan a bit more).

Enjoy your track day.

[ggreen]

Haha, brilliantly said!

[nzspokes]

Haha, brilliantly said!

The fact you dont want to be that guy means you probably wont. Ive looked back at the footage of my first couple of track days and realized I could have gone faster if I had cut other riders up. But I didnt and glad as they deserve there fun to.

[EJK]

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The crash happens at around 3:00 mark.

KB Sherlock, go! :sherlock:

[BoristheBiter]

The crash happens at around 3:00 mark.

KB Sherlock, go! :sherlock:

It looks like the peg hits the ground.

[AllanB]

See arses doing worse than that on the road every weekend - except they tend to be cutting off cars or campervans - in Christchurch when you get bored with fucking up track days you can advance to the Akaroa GP.......

The only thing 'safer' about a track day is thee are no cars about or lamp posts to run into, there is still that arse on the other motorcycle to contend with, and as per usual your own ability of course!!!

This thread is another reason I hate those gro-pro things. Give it 10 years and every c#*t walking down the street will have one embedded in their eyewear and the net will be full of posts about someone picking their nose or scratching their arse in public.

[Crasherfromwayback]

<The crash happens at around 3:00 mark.

KB Sherlock, go! :sherlock:

The whole time I was watching that...it was pretty obvious the peanut in the blue leathers was the one that was gonna eat ashpalt. Some truly fucking horrible riding on display.

[c4.]

what a bunch of MUPPETS

:bleh:
all due respect

[Metastable]

The whole time I was watching that...it was pretty obvious the peanut in the blue leathers was the one that was gonna eat ashpalt. Some truly fucking horrible riding on display.

I'm sorry to say this, but blue leathers was also my first choice. Another good reason for only passing on the inside on the corner exit, not entry... at a trackday of course.... racing is another story.

[Grubber]

The fact you dont want to be that guy means you probably wont. Ive looked back at the footage of my first couple of track days and realized I could have gone faster if I had cut other riders up. But I didnt and glad as they deserve there fun to.

Well said. Keep your wits about you and enjoy the day. Agreed as in others are out to enjoy also. Like has been said many times, its not a race its just time to enjoy a faster than normal day on ya bike.

Sent from my GT-I9300T using Tapatalk

[SNF]

Slightly related/unrelated note. Are there track (crawl) days for total noobs? By that I mean a bunch of beginners, zero track experience, L plates and 250's? Don't want to go to a mixed event and end up in the way. Gotta start somewhere, right?

[sil3nt]

Slightly related/unrelated note. Are there track (crawl) days for total noobs? By that I mean a bunch of beginners, zero track experience, L plates and 250's? Don't want to go to a mixed event and end up in the way. Gotta start somewhere, right?Yes. You can't get in the way in the slow groups.

[nzspokes]

Slightly related/unrelated note. Are there track (crawl) days for total noobs? By that I mean a bunch of beginners, zero track experience, L plates and 250's? Don't want to go to a mixed event and end up in the way. Gotta start somewhere, right?

ART days are prefect for it. 15 March is the next one.

[bosslady]

Slightly related/unrelated note. Are there track (crawl) days for total noobs? By that I mean a bunch of beginners, zero track experience, L plates and 250's? Don't want to go to a mixed event and end up in the way. Gotta start somewhere, right?


ART days are prefect for it. 15 March is the next one.
Yup what spokes said, I might try that Art Day if I have the $$ maybe group 2 this time.

[Brett]

The crash happens at around 3:00 mark.

KB Sherlock, go! :sherlock:

Ha....well I picked that it was going to be that guy that crashed from the start. His lines were anything but smooth. He appeared to tip in, sit up a little and then re-tip many times. I'm not surprised he crashed. Lines were all over the show.

[Brett]

Slightly related/unrelated note. Are there track (crawl) days for total noobs? By that I mean a bunch of beginners, zero track experience, L plates and 250's? Don't want to go to a mixed event and end up in the way. Gotta start somewhere, right?

Seriously mate...go slow group, it is usually very tame and learner friendly IMO.

[Marmoot]

This thread is another reason I hate those gro-pro things. Give it 10 years and every c#*t walking down the street will have one embedded in their eyewear and the net will be full of posts about someone picking their nose or scratching their arse in public.

I don't see anything wrong with it
http://imgur.com/gallery/bomZSd2

[Banditbandit]

Yeah ... like everyone here is so perfect they have never fallen off !!!

[Kendoll]

The whole time I was watching that...it was pretty obvious the peanut in the blue leathers was the one that was gonna eat ashpalt. Some truly fucking horrible riding on display.

Agreed... That guy has no clue. How many takes do you need to get round a corner mate? :facepalm: Having said that, it is a 'have a go' day - maybe he's having a go at riding like a muppet? Maybe it's his first time on the track?

[BoristheBiter]

Agreed... That guy has no clue. How many takes do you need to get round a corner mate? :facepalm: Having said that, it is a 'have a go' day - maybe he's having a go at riding like a muppet? Maybe it's his first time on the track?

Maybe no one has told him his lines aren't that good and just stood around and laughed at him.

[Kendoll]

Maybe no one has told him his lines aren't that good and just stood around and laughed at him.

Well said, can't argue with that. However in my experience, it's quite the opposite at track days, with everybody telling you how to ride or what lines to take... I guess either way isn't too helpful really.

[imdying]

Well said, can't argue with that. However in my experience, it's quite the opposite at track days, with everybody telling you how to ride or what lines to take... I guess either way isn't too helpful really.I think what he really meant to say is fuck off bitch you can take your post and stick it up your arse.

[Kendoll]

I think what he really meant to say is fuck off bitch you can take your post and stick it up your arse.

Ahh I see, must have misread it then :bleh:

[vinducati]

He may in the opinion of all the keyboard jockeys be a muppet.
But in the opinion of the top WSBK and Moto GP riders we are all parking cones with wheels.
So I guess how good you are is relative.

[SVboy]

He may in the opinion of all the keyboard jockeys be a muppet.
But in the opinion of the top WSBK and Moto GP riders we are all parking cones with wheels.
So I guess how good you are is relative.

^^^^THIS^^^^
It was a HAVE A GO DAY, not a "Turn up only if you are a riding god day" Ridicule actual riders at your peril keyboard racers.

[Kendoll]

Having said that, it is 'have a go day' .... Maybe it's his first time on the track?

...as mentioned earlier in my original comment, yeah agreed.

[Drew]

^^^^THIS^^^^
It was a HAVE A GO DAY, not a "Turn up only if you are a riding god day" Ridicule actual riders at your peril keyboard racers.The video is on a public viewing site. We'll pick holes in it all day long if we want.

Keyboard racer? You're welcome to try and show Crasherfromwayback the fast way around a racetrack if ya like, buggered if I'd put my hand up for the job though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The video is on a public viewing site. We'll pick holes in it all day long if we want.

Keyboard racer? You're welcome to try and show Crasherfromwayback the fast way around a racetrack if ya like, buggered if I'd put my hand up for the job though.

Lol. Awwww shucks mate...thanks. Old Quasi was offered the chance. After telling all and sundry how fucking useless and dangerous I was...I offered him the chance to front up with some serious coin on offer to prove it. Fucking windbag kept twisting everything to suit himself until it became incredibly obvious...that really...he's as full of shit as he seems. And he thinks he *owned* me. Lol.

[Crasherfromwayback]

^^^^THIS^^^^
It was a HAVE A GO DAY, not a "Turn up only if you are a riding god day" Ridicule actual riders at your peril keyboard racers.

The thing being mate...if I was to see riding that poor even on the street...I'd be having words to them. Believe it not I'm only too happy to try and help newer (and that's a big assumption I know)riders out where I can. Matters not they were on a race track.

[Dave-]

The thing being mate...if I was to see riding that poor even on the street...I'd be having words to them. Believe it not I'm only too happy to try and help newer (and that's a big assumption I know)riders out where I can. Matters not they were on a race track.

What makes you think he isn't reading right now?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What makes you think he isn't reading right now?

Be great if they are. May take some things on board. Only too happy if they are if they want to get hold of me. As stated...always only too happy to help out if I can.

[actungbaby]

ouch!

Props to the first rider for being able to keep it upright in the dirt for so long! I did smile at the very end when you see whoever it was throwing a peice of bike in frustration.

Can someone enlighten as to overtaking rules on track days (more for my curiosity than any desire to measure out blame)

Yes i can you dont full stop. u want to do that race . i find that very good athough never done a track day

[Drew]

What makes you think he isn't reading right now?There's a good chance he is. If he is and doesn't think he was riding like a muppet, then he's taking it better than any other KB member ever takes anything.

[actungbaby]

The thing being mate...if I was to see riding that poor even on the street...I'd be having words to them. Believe it not I'm only too happy to try and help newer (and that's a big assumption I know)riders out where I can. Matters not they were on a race track.

Thanks mate might take you up on that offer well just want a play (track day) as long as i dont get in anyones way

or cause a accident i be happy thats only thing put me offf doing it as dont know the lines i might brake way to soon wobble about etc

[nzspokes]

Lol. Awwww shucks mate...thanks. Old Quasi was offered the chance. After telling all and sundry how fucking useless and dangerous I was...I offered him the chance to front up with some serious coin on offer to prove it. Fucking windbag kept twisting everything to suit himself until it became incredibly obvious...that really...he's as full of shit as he seems. And he thinks he *owned* me. Lol.

Shame, I would have come to watch that. :corn:

Did the thread get killed?

[sil3nt]

Yes i can you dont full stop. u want to do that race . i find that very good athough never done a track dayYou have never done a trackday so you don't know what you are talking about...

The organisers on the day will let you know exactly what the overtaking rules are. They are simple and easy to follow.

[Drew]

Shame, I would have come to watch that. :corn:

Did the thread get killed?Why? Pete is fast, and Bret isn't.

Be boring as fuck till Pete started doing some wheelies.

[Drew]

They are simple and easy to follow.Ask ay first timer, stright after briefing, to repeat the overtaking rules. Most of the time they are so full of nerves and anticipation, there's a good chance half wouldn't be able to do it.

[nzspokes]

Why? Pete is fast, and Bret isn't.

Be boring as fuck till Pete started doing some wheelies.

Yeah fair call.

Maybe on dirt bikes then.

[Drew]

Yeah fair call.

Maybe on dirt bikes then.Ummmmm, you know how long that skinny little bastard has been riding dirt bikes aye? And Bret sucks at that too!

[nzspokes]

Ummmmm, you know how long that skinny little bastard has been riding dirt bikes aye? And Bret sucks at that too!

No I know Pete rides offroad. Would be more interesting to watch.

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=Vinz0r;1130665664]Found this on another forum so thought I'd chuck it up here.
This was from the Rider skills training day at Hampton on the 10th, no serious injuries apart from a few scuffs and grazes where the guys leather wore through.

Pretty fucking bad form by the rider who took him out; apparently he tried to take off after the incident as well.



Am just amazed that with such little run off area no one was hurt

[actungbaby]

Ask ay first timer, stright after briefing, to repeat the overtaking rules. Most of the time they are so full of nerves and anticipation, there's a good chance half wouldn't be able to do it.

I should imagine so but think ask few people to make sure after ;-) but yes that is a problem when got take lots of things

[SVboy]

The video is on a public viewing site. We'll pick holes in it all day long if we want.

Keyboard racer? You're welcome to try and show Crasherfromwayback the fast way around a racetrack if ya like, buggered if I'd put my hand up for the job though.

Then perhaps rather than waving your big dicksaround, perhaps you could put yours and your mates experience to good use by offering some constructive ideas that have a go participants could take on board, in order to minimise events as shown on the two videos?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Then perhaps rather than waving your big dicksaround, perhaps you could put yours and your mates experience to good use by offering some constructive ideas that have a go participants could take on board, in order to minimise events as shown on the two videos?

Getting a bit personal there Bro. I've offered to do that. Always have.

[SVboy]

Getting a bit personal there Bro. I've offered to do that. Always have.

Dont take it that way. Yours and Drews experience is noted but many riders who want to have a go do not have that knowledge and as you know the track can be an intimidating and stressful place when starting out. You could help by offering a list of general advice and tips to people so they are better prepared for the track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Then perhaps rather than waving your big dicksaround, perhaps you could put yours and your mates experience to good use by offering some constructive ideas that have a go participants could take on board, in order to minimise events as shown on the two videos?


Dont take it that way. .

Little bit *hard* not to when you're insinuating Drew and I have our cocks out at the same time mate...

[SVboy]

Little bit *hard* not to when you're insinuating Drew and I have our cocks out at the same time mate...

Reread Drews response to my post. It was never an attack on people who have the experience to offer constructive criticism; rather a shot at those who dont.

[Brett]

^^^^THIS^^^^
It was a HAVE A GO DAY, not a "Turn up only if you are a riding god day" Ridicule actual riders at your peril keyboard racers.

Until the silly cunt takes me out. Sure, the point isn't to ridicule, but equally, don't want some bloke playing at Rossi taking me and my bike out do I?

[switchMode]

Ask ay first timer, stright after briefing, to repeat the overtaking rules. Most of the time they are so full of nerves and anticipation, there's a good chance half wouldn't be able to do it.

Was at last weekends one, the rules were pretty simple. Make sure you have at least 2m of space at all times and preferably not around corners. Simples.

[Drew]

Then perhaps rather than waving your big dicksaround, perhaps you could put yours and your mates experience to good use by offering some constructive ideas that have a go participants could take on board, in order to minimise events as shown on the two videos?If you look through the comments, you'll notice I said nothing at all about the guy at Ruapuna and his riding.


Little bit *hard* not to when you're insinuating Drew and I have our cocks out at the same time mate...Sooooo, I should put the wee fella away now?


Reread Drews response to my post. It was never an attack on people who have the experience to offer constructive criticism; rather a shot at those who dont.There was no distinction that I could see, hence my response.

[Kendoll]

Be great if they are. May take some things on board. Only too happy if they are if they want to get hold of me. As stated...always only too happy to help out if I can.

Hahaha... "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Crasherfromwayback again." :clap:

[EJK]

Alright here's another one.

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Quote from the video


Guy on a Mint condition Kawasaki ZX-7R highsided on the last session of the day in the fast group. We checked his tire presures after the bike was in and they were 42psi rear and 39psi front and sport tourers tires as well. Rider couldnt feel thumb and had a sore wrist,chest and shoulder and was taken away in a ambulance.

[Kendoll]

I'm not going to comment on this one in case I get told to stick things in my arse again... :spanking:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Alright here's another one.

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Them thar be some mighty high tyre pressures!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not going to comment on this one in case I get told to stick things in my arse again... :spanking:

Lol. Who's a naughty girl then!?

[sil3nt]

Crash is 1 minute in:


http://youtu.be/bqAu0ENwOFY?t=59s

[actungbaby]

Them thar be some mighty high tyre pressures!

Good point but really track just piece of tarmac like the road to high side i imagine u have to puting on some serious hp

out of the corners. and if you like me a newbie with modest output bike u going be just feeling your way (track day)

To be honest watching a track day manfield. did look bit full on with the speed but i got no exp to judge everone looked in control though.

I dont think i going be tranformed into some fire breathing rossi wannabe i just want a place can go so dont worry about

getting a ticket but can push my bike more than whould on the road, down side your got no insurance probley chould be likehood u will fall off

so hence i give myslef and other lots of space id thought i move to left on strait bits let other have space to pass

id thought common sence and self presvation kick in

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=sil3nt;1130684991]Crash is 1 minute in:



On the road i had that happen out very slow speed roundabout on cbr 900rr trying to do what did on vfr

I let it slide not snap the trottle shut but reduce it well just seems happen automatically with out thought.

its called feel for your bike and tires

[Drew]

Them thar be some mighty high tyre pressures!

Possibly too high. At the track last week on the RF shod with S20s, I started with 36 at the back and after it overheated in the first session and started sliding, I went up to 38. Was certainly an improvement.

The tyres are said to be of similar design in the quote, it was the last session so hadn't caused a crash earlier. I'd be inclined to put it down to rider enthusiasm more than tyre pressures with the limited information given.

What was the purpose of the article that the quote came from I wonder? From the snippet we can't tell of course, but it's a small leap to assume it's not adding all the information that riders need before they all go out and drop 10psi in their hoops before they hit the track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The tyres are said to be of similar design in the quote, it was the last session so hadn't caused a crash earlier. I'd be inclined to put it down to rider enthusiasm more than tyre pressures with the limited information given.

.

That's how most of 'em come about for sure mate.

[Jay GTI]

Then perhaps rather than waving your big dicksaround, perhaps you could put yours and your mates experience to good use by offering some constructive ideas that have a go participants could take on board, in order to minimise events as shown on the two videos?


Getting a bit personal there Bro. I've offered to do that. Always have.

Personal insults aside, while awesome that you do take time to help noobs and the less skilled, there are limits.

Not done a bike track day (only ride off-road), but have done plenty of track days in cars and you really get all sorts of people on those. Some, like my step-dad, who was also big into track days, can start off with no clue, then slowly over a few years become a pretty decent driver/rider. Some, however, are just not good at that sort of thing, their brains are just not wired right, or what ever it is that means they just won't ever build the skills and understand the techniques to be anything other than a bit of a liability on the track.

You can't preclude those people from track days, unless they are repeatedly driving or riding in a manner that is putting themselves, or others, at risk. Just being a bit shit isn't reason enough to stop them joining in, you just need to identify those people and take extra care when you're close to them on the track.

Both my step-dad and myself have been pushed into the barriers by other drivers that did things that were so stupid, we were shocked these people could even get a driving license. But at the same time, we were both driving in a manner that assumed they did know what they were doing, so we put ourselves in the position that allowed a dumb mistake by an inexperienced driver to send us home on the back of a truck. It's not a race, you won't win anything by getting past them, if you spot someone who is obviously struggling, hang back or swing into the pits and leave them to go figure out their arse from their elbow on their own.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Personal insults aside, .

Won't copy it all and waste space...but all very valid points mate.

[tbs]

Personal insults aside, ......

That's not the Kiwibiker way is it?:rolleyes:

[nodrog]

All I have concluded from this thread is that video cameras cause crashes.

[Dave-]

All I have concluded from this thread is that video cameras cause crashes.

Rubbish

Source: Have crashed without video camera

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rubbish

Source: Have crashed without video camera

Lol. Easy peazy!

[BoristheBiter]

All I have concluded from this thread is that video cameras cause crashes.

only if you're being followed by one.

[Jay GTI]

Won't copy it all and waste space...

So you're saying I waffle a lot????

(that would be a fair call :) )


That's not the Kiwibiker way is it?:rolleyes:

Sorry, you are correct. You prick.


All I have concluded from this thread is that video cameras cause crashes.


only if you're being followed by one.

Boris is right, I never crash when the helmet cam on my helmet and since losing my cam in a house move (it's... somewhere...), I've had a decent off pretty much every ride.

[sil3nt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akouFA8K_ZA

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear oh dear...

[strandedinnz]

Ouchie! Hopefully the guy is a yoga fanatic and can actually bend that way normally ...

Nice bike too ... wonder why he grabbed a big handful of brake the second time ?

[sil3nt]

Ouchie! Hopefully the guy is a yoga fanatic and can actually bend that way normally ...

Nice bike too ... wonder why he grabbed a big handful of brake the second time ?Braking too late and he was heading straight for the camera bike. He would have taken the camera bike out if he didn't grab a handful. I was watching from the hill outside turn 5 and it was a nasty crash.


Rider airlifted to hospital, broken femur, fractured collar, pelvis, fibula

[Crasherfromwayback]

Braking too late and he was heading straight for the camera bike. He would have taken the camera bike out if he didn't grab a handful. I was watching from the hill outside turn 5 and it was a nasty crash.

Yep. Was very obvious from the outset he was getting in waaaaaay too hot. Hope he recovers quickly and well. Not a nice biff.

[TheDemonLord]

At first I thought 'sweet Stoppy' until he overcooked it and went over - Ouch! hopefully the rider is able to recover quickly

[nzspokes]

But he had Hi Viz on, he should have been fine.....:facepalm:

Was he a marshal?

[sil3nt]

But he had Hi Viz on, he should have been fine.....:facepalm:

Was he a marshal?Hi Viz for newbie racers.

[Metastable]

................... if you spot someone who is obviously struggling, hang back or swing into the pits and leave them to go figure out their arse from their elbow on their own.

That's some great advice. It doesn't matter if it is someone who is struggling, or maybe it is a rider that is slow in the corners, but has a much more powerful bike and kills you in the straights, or being caught up in a gaggle of riders that don't poop or get off the pot. A wise move is to just pull into the pits, let them go ahead.... then pull out on some clear track. Like JayGTI said.... you can't win at a trackday, but you CAN lose.

[carbonhed]

But he had Hi Viz on, he should have been fine.....:facepalm:



:lol: Damn that was nasty. Did his utmost to miss the other bike though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:lol: Damn that was nasty. Did his utmost to miss the other bike though.

Yeah but should've been getting in there anywhere near that hot in the first place.

[Drew]

Yeah but should've been getting in there anywhere near that hot in the first place.
C'mon man, we've both overcooked it many times before. It's a fucken easy corner to do it on too, with the corner entry so out of site when you start braking and lining it up.

Obviously the guy should have just veered left and held the brakes till he ran into the gravel, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

C'mon man, we've both overcooked it many times before. It's a fucken easy corner to do it on too, with the corner entry so out of site when you start braking and lining it up.

.

But hang on...it was a track day wannit? Not trying to break lap records etc Bro.

[Drew]

But hang on...it was a track day wannit? Not trying to break lap records etc Bro.Hang on, I thought it was a race...

I was right. AMCC round 4.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hang on, I thought it was a race...

I was right. AMCC round 4.

My bad. Not sure that makes that particular incident any better but...still feel for the geezer getting so badly hurt.

[nzspokes]

Hi Viz for newbie racers.

Ok, didnt know that. I would need big flashing lights and an L plate.

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=sil3nt;1130687873][video=yout

Oh such devotion to his bike he really really loves that suzi

[actungbaby]

But hang on...it was a track day wannit? Not trying to break lap records etc Bro.

Thats what id thought too isint just so you can ride with out cars and two way traffic .

Figure of eight not ;-) imgaine used to have that in speedway . hairy harleys be dammed

[actungbaby]

Ok, didnt know that. I would need big flashing lights and an L plate.

Didint you know those boys instant experts before even started back in the day think noah was buuilding his ark lol

They show rossi a thing or too . he probley compain they getting in his way too some people never happy..

[actungbaby]

My bad. Not sure that makes that particular incident any better but...still feel for the geezer getting so badly hurt.

Yes anyone getting hurt anything not good esp at speed hope he recovery is smooth as poss

What happens when things like that happen do get everone in work out what happened .

[actungbaby]

Ok, didnt know that. I would need big flashing lights and an L plate.

Thats got be worst thing have on your bike or car. everone see goes feck and passes you at speed.

I suspect they work out us newbies but to me ones with more exp should be ones that have common sence to hold back to stait.

Not rocket science bike control goes to ways boys faster and slower . think might learn more with us noobs out there.

[nzspokes]

Thats got be worst thing have on your bike or car. everone see goes feck and passes you at speed.

I suspect they work out us newbies but to me ones with more exp should be ones that have common sence to hold back to stait.

Not rocket science bike control goes to ways boys faster and slower . think might learn more with us noobs out there.

Dont worry I aint going racing.

[actungbaby]

Dont worry I aint going racing.

no your probley wise u know whats best for yourself i must admit after watched it thought nahhhhhh