Fines

[zeRax]

can someone please fill this thread in what what fines cost what
flat rates, cops discretion, please all of you whom have been giving helen money i ask of you to dig up those bad memories and pass them onto here

reason this popped up is mate reckons lack of L plate is $75, and i beg to differ, its $400 no?

[zadok]

This should help: http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/55.html
Maybe...

[zeRax]

so is any fine up to the cops discretion? says Maximum lack of seat belt fine is $150, for example, so can he give u a $50 if he isnt a prick? - example

[zadok]

Hmmm...doesn't look that specific, does it?

[Sniper]

Sounds like something a blenheim idiot would say

[spudchucka]

No L plate will cost you $400 and 25 demerit points.

The amount of $$$ you are fined for a specific offence is pre-determined and not up to the cops discretion. This is for instant fines for minor offences,molre serious offences are resolved before the courts and the penalties are imposed by the courts.

[skidMark]

so is any fine up to the cops discretion? says Maximum lack of seat belt fine is $150, for example, so can he give u a $50 if he isnt a prick? - example

bad example considering we are talking about motorcycles

:woohoo:

[soundbeltfarm]

No L plate will cost you $400 and 25 demerit points.

The amount of $$$ you are fined for a specific offence is pre-determined and not up to the cops discretion. This is for instant fines for minor offences,molre serious offences are resolved before the courts and the penalties are imposed by the courts.

whats the deal with the L plate crap,
i know of 2 cops who have said they wont pull up a bike with an L plate on it if it travelling 100 kph and is going with the general flow of traffic.
but said if they pull it up for reckless riding or whatever , they will do the person if they have an L plate aswell as the other offences.
are most cops likewise in this thinking or if you see a bike going a 100 , riding sensibly but displaying an L plate do you stop them for it?

[spudchucka]

As far as I'm concerned if I see any road user displaying an L plate then I treat them as someone who is aware of the rules and is abiding by them. Consequently I will seldom pull them overunless they are committing an offence that requires attention. If I catch the same person being an arse then they'll get the treatment they deserve regardless of whether they are an L plate rider or fully licenced.

[soundbeltfarm]

As far as I'm concerned if I see any road user displaying an L plate then I treat them as someone who is aware of the rules and is abiding by them. Consequently I will seldom pull them overunless they are committing an offence that requires attention. If I catch the same person being an arse then they'll get the treatment they deserve regardless of whether they are an L plate rider or fully licenced.

thats sort of what they are like too.
do many people displaying an L plate act like idiots?

[spudchucka]

thats sort of what they are like too.
do many people displaying an L plate act like idiots?
Generally speaking - No. Plenty of learners do behave like idiots but they generally aren't the ones who actually display an L plate. Their learner licence status is often only disclosed after they come to your attention because of some foolish act or piece of shit car, by then its a case of, "Oh dear, you have a learners licence too, bad luck son".

[Lou Girardin]

I hear that some redneck, small town cops in the states give discounts for cash.
Think it'll catch on here?

[scumdog]

I hear that some redneck, small town cops in the states give discounts for cash.
Think it'll catch on here?

Not until they give us a cash register, reciept book etc to add to the other impedimentia we have dangling from our belts.....

BTW In small US towns the town council get the money from the tickets, hence the zealousness of the cops - who are also paid by the small towns.

You have Highway Patrol, State Trooper, County Sheriff, Traffic Police etc etc
so things are a bit more compicated over there.

[scumdog]

Generally speaking - No. Plenty of learners do behave like idiots but they generally aren't the ones who actually display an L plate. Their learner licence status is often only disclosed after they come to your attention because of some foolish act or piece of shit car, by then its a case of, "Oh dear, you have a learners licence too, bad luck son".

Kinda sums up my act too!!

Worst thing they did was give Learner drivers a licence, seems to blow their brains out the window when it comes to driving, you never see a kid driving but as soon as he's got that bit of plastic? - whooboy, he's everywhere at all hours driving with a car load of mates.
Excuses? they all start with 'just' - just going home, just taking my mates home, just testing my clutch, just being the sober driver, just going to mates place.......

If only the road code said it was o.k. for them to drive as long as the reason starts with 'just' :rofl:

[spudchucka]

I hear that some redneck, small town cops in the states give discounts for cash.
Think it'll catch on here?
Only if you join up!

[spudchucka]

If only the road code said it was o.k. for them to drive as long as the reason starts with 'just' :rofl:
I love the puppy dog eyes they give you as they are giving you their best "I was just......" excuse. :violin: The whole time I'm wondering if they can see the "You're fucked son so don't bother trying" look in my eyes. :rofl:

[scumdog]

I love the puppy dog eyes they give you as they are giving you their best "I was just......" excuse. :violin: The whole time I'm wondering if they can see the "You're fucked son so don't bother trying" look in my eyes. :rofl:

Yeah, by then they've done some act of idiocy that got your attention in the first place, if they weren't such bozos and kept their head down they might go a long time before being noticed. :weird:

[ManDownUnder]

You have Highway Patrol, State Trooper, County Sheriff, Traffic Police etc etc
so things are a bit more compicated over there.

Now THAT'S an understatement...

Everyone from school security upwards has the rights of arrest, search and seaizure etc depending on who has authorised it, in what context/which jurisdiction etc.

I'm amased the place isn't full of gun toten crazies....

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah, by then they've done some act of idiocy that got your attention in the first place, if they weren't such bozos and kept their head down they might go a long time before being noticed. :weird:

Do they ever give you that, "low cleavage batting the eyelids" thing, and you get to write the ticket despite the bulge in your pants?

[scumdog]

Do they ever give you that, "low cleavage batting the eyelids" thing, and you get to write the ticket despite the bulge in your pants?

Nah, at that age they're too scared and all they can think of is "goodbye $400" ka-ching. (and what bulge in my pants????)

And the old slappers that possibly would think of that have their Full licence anyhow.

But most of those types are greasy-faced, dirty clothed spotty yoofs with no brains.

[spudchucka]

Do they ever give you that, "low cleavage batting the eyelids" thing, and you get to write the ticket despite the bulge in your pants?
The old cleavage trick. Hmm, I'll just take a little longer to write out the ticket.

Reminds me of another line from Supertroopers, "Hey, let's pop some Viagras and issue tickets with raging, mega-huge boners".

[Lou Girardin]

Not until they give us a cash register, reciept book etc to add to the other impedimentia we have dangling from our belts.....

BTW In small US towns the town council get the money from the tickets, hence the zealousness of the cops - who are also paid by the small towns.

You have Highway Patrol, State Trooper, County Sheriff, Traffic Police etc etc
so things are a bit more compicated over there.

It might improve recruitment numbers if there was, say, 30% commission from infringements.

[Lou Girardin]

Only if you join up!

Thanks, but no thanks Spud. They couldn't pay me enough.

[scumdog]

Thanks, but no thanks Spud. They couldn't pay me enough.

How 'bout if'n they brought in the 30% commission?? :wait:

[Lou Girardin]

How 'bout if'n they brought in the 30% commission?? :wait:

The problem is that 70% of tickets these days are for 11 to 15 k's over. I never did, or would, write them for less than 20 k's.

[Damon]

The only time i was pulled up on my learners was in a small town at 1am, i was just driving home and got stopped, gave the guy the "I just dropped a friend off after a youth group event and I'm heading home" excuse, he swallowed it like a fish and told me to drive safely. I was stoked!!

I love Super Troppers!! "who's laughing meow"

[muzz]

whats with this 11 k over thing seen so many tickets at 11 k over is this that common

[ManDownUnder]

The old cleavage trick. Hmm, I'll just take a little longer to write out the ticket.

Reminds me of another line from Supertroopers, "Hey, let's pop some Viagras and issue tickets with raging, mega-huge boners".

"I don't like the thought of the ticket so much officer - but stop knocking on the damned door... it's annoying"

[ManDownUnder]

whats with this 11 k over thing seen so many tickets at 11 k over is this that common

IMHO - it's anal...

MDU
(do I get my 5c back if it was good post?)

[muzz]

[QUOTE=ManDownUnder]IMHO - it's anal...

started to think that was the lowest speed you could clocked at. Anal? just a pain in the arse! :whistle:

[Indoo]

whats with this 11 k over thing seen so many tickets at 11 k over is this that common

LTNZ wants something like 45% of tickets in the 11-15k bracket. I think alot of naughty cops rather than pulling people over doing 111kmh are just marking the speeds down instead.

[Zed]

can someone please fill this thread in what what fines cost what
flat rates, cops discretion, please all of you whom have been giving helen money i ask of you to dig up those bad memories and pass them onto here

reason this popped up is mate reckons lack of L plate is $75, and i beg to differ, its $400 no?What enrages me regarding this topic, is that over the last few years my wife or I have received 3 or so speeding camera tickets in the mail for 11kms over the limit along the main road here in Hobsonville! O yeah, I also got one on the bike a few weeks back for going 95 in an 80km zone just off SH16, $80 fine. I requested a photo for that one and sure enough the pic arrived 6 days later displaying the rear of my 'Bird, with a rider in black on it. :bleh:

Getting those speeding camera infringement letters in the mail is an 'orrible experience.

[Zed]

Thanks, but no thanks Spud. They couldn't pay me enough.C'mon Lou, we all know you worked for the "force" in the past...just how long did you slug it out on a bad salary package?

[SixPackBack]

What enrages me regarding this topic, is that over the last few years my wife or I have received 3 or so speeding camera tickets in the mail for 11kms over the limit along the main road here in Hobsonville! O yeah, I also got one on the bike a few weeks back for going 95 in an 80km zone just off SH16, $80 fine. I requested a photo for that one and sure enough the pic arrived 6 days later displaying the rear of my 'Bird, with a rider in black on it. :bleh:

Getting those speeding camera infringement letters in the mail is an 'orrible experience.

Proof positive of Gods existence :rofl:

[Zed]

Proof positive of Gods existence :rofl:...and Satan's! :angry:

[zeRax]

Aye, speed cameras are such a dawning, era, spooky - thing to think about, you dont have a detector zed? do x50's pick up everything u need to be scared of ? ( bar the non lazy highway patrol that flick lazer on when they see someone fast rather than leave it on )

[Zed]

Aye, speed cameras are such a dawning, era, spooky - thing to think about, you dont have a detector zed? The 11km ones were in the cage. The detector "usually" resides on the bike! :shifty:

[SixPackBack]

love the avavtar zerax.......classy!

[Lou Girardin]

LTNZ wants something like 45% of tickets in the 11-15k bracket. I think alot of naughty cops rather than pulling people over doing 111kmh are just marking the speeds down instead.

In a word, bullshit. There is more than enough anecdotal evidence of people being done for 11, 12, 13 k's over.

[Lou Girardin]

C'mon Lou, we all know you worked for the "force" in the past...just how long did you slug it out on a bad salary package?

It was a different force Zed, a better, more enlightened one. And the pay was fine. (geddit?)

[spudchucka]

In a word, bullshit. There is more than enough anecdotal evidence of people being done for 11, 12, 13 k's over.
Why dismiss it as bullshit? Sure speed cameras roboticly dish out tickets for whatever speeds they detect but cops often negotiate sppeding tickets. Heaps of people are given discounts when they are nabbed doing say 68 - 75 and only get written up for a paltry 61. I don't have any problem with it as the person caught speeding gets a wake up call without getting severely dealt to, the cop gets a ticket to show his boss he is doing something and the LTNZ get a stat based on the speed category they want to target.

This would only happen with decent people who know they were doing wrong and accpet that some penalty has to be imposed. Recidivist dickheads who never learn never get discounts because the more that gets thrown at them the sooner we can get them off the roads.

You will no doubt jump up and down and say that this practice amounts to dishonesty. Perhaps it does but more importantly it reflects the individual cops ability to use discretion in a practical and fair manner.

[spudchucka]

IAnd the pay was fine. (geddit?)
Are you saying you accepted bribes? :nono:

[Lou Girardin]

Are you saying you accepted bribes? :nono:

No more than you would Spud.
BTW If you "negotiated" a ticket downwards, what evidence would you give in court as to the speed checked, if it was defended.

[spudchucka]

No more than you would Spud.
BTW If you "negotiated" a ticket downwards, what evidence would you give in court as to the speed checked, if it was defended.
If there was any indication that the person did not accept and acknowledge the offence then a discount would never be considered in the first place. I haven't had anybody change their mind and defend one yet. And to answer your question I would tell the court exactly what happened and explain my reasoning behind my decision to write the tickcet for a lower speed.

[Lou Girardin]

If there was any indication that the person did not accept and acknowledge the offence then a discount would never be considered in the first place. I haven't had anybody change their mind and defend one yet. And to answer your question I would tell the court exactly what happened and explain my reasoning behind my decision to write the tickcet for a lower speed.

You've been lucky, I've had customers with 'buyers non-remorse' that ended up in court. It's a lot easier to book 'em for what they were doing or not write the ticket in the first place.

[Indoo]

In a word, bullshit. There is more than enough anecdotal evidence of people being done for 11, 12, 13 k's over.

There probably are a few cops out there who do give out tickets for those speeds. However I don't know a single one. All the cops i know won't ticket anyone doing 11k-15k over, unless they draw attention to themselves or are in a residential street.

[Lou Girardin]

There probably are a few cops out there who do give out tickets for those speeds. However I don't know a single one. All the cops i know won't ticket anyone doing 11k-15k over, unless they draw attention to themselves or are in a residential street.

How do they draw attention to themselves?
Make the Stalker squeal?

[spudchucka]

You've been lucky, I've had customers with 'buyers non-remorse' that ended up in court. It's a lot easier to book 'em for what they were doing or not write the ticket in the first place.
Each to their own. I'm not going to be told who to issue tickets to by any so called policy let alone by grumpy biker ex MOT snakes. I'll stick to judging each case on its merits and hopefully let common sense prevail. It hasn't let me down yet.

[Skyryder]

What's the fine for running a redlight.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

What's the fine for running a redlight.

Skyryder
$150 bucks.

[skidMark]

does it help if i say im a member of kiwi biker? they would prob think it was a gang is it wasnt a member cop ie. spud or scumdog lol

[Velox]

Sorry if this has been asked 23 million times before, but just wondering about the whole radar calibration thing. Is it just that little "Due for next service on..." sticker on the top of the scanner that you can try and get out of tickets by checking or is it some other certificate thing?

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry if this has been asked 23 million times before, but just wondering about the whole radar calibration thing. Is it just that little "Due for next service on..." sticker on the top of the scanner that you can try and get out of tickets by checking or is it some other certificate thing?

Ask to see it, or failing that, ask when it was last done and note the reply.

[scumdog]

Sorry if this has been asked 23 million times before, but just wondering about the whole radar calibration thing. Is it just that little "Due for next service on..." sticker on the top of the scanner that you can try and get out of tickets by checking or is it some other certificate thing?

If your nice'n'calm'reasonable I'd show the certificate to you on the spot,
if you're raving like a rabid luntatic I'd tell you to write in and ask for disclosure and then drive off.... :oi-grr: