Fair and equal justice for all?

[awa355]

Poor bastard, How will he ever afford the ferry ticket to Waiheke Island? :weep::weep:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11204124

[mashman]

Castles made of sand fall in the sea eventually

[Akzle]

well duh.
Jews - get off scott free.
Middle class crackers - get dragged through the courts, scared a bit, made to pay fine and costs, taken out of wages.
Blacks - go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Continue to collect 200$. (benny)

aahhhhh. Justice.

[jasonu]

Castles made of sand fall in the sea eventually

Not in his case as his wife appears to own all of the family castles. Put dogshit in his letter box I say.

[Bikemad]

Poor bastard, How will he ever afford the ferry ticket to Waiheke Island? :weep::weep:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11204124

i bet he has a boat too.......sorry i mean his wife has a boat too

[BoristheBiter]

But as it is his wife's houses shouldn't that be classed as matrimonial property?

All debts raised by one is shared equally by both, or does that only work in divorce?

[HenryDorsetCase]

But as it is his wife's houses shouldn't that be classed as matrimonial property?

All debts raised by one is shared equally by both, or does that only work in divorce?

depends. Not usually. But it will depend on a number of things like structures, who signed up for what etc. I wondered whether this was something that was an insured thing. I doubt it somehow.

I have been following the proceedings and filling in a few blanks from my own experience. I doubt that a three line harold article will give the true flava.

It might be an empty gesture if he doesnt have half a mill to give back, eh?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Here's a Lor Talk article which gives some more detail about what went down.

http://www.lawsociety.org.nz/lawtalk/issue-834/lawyers-complaints-service-lawyer-guilty-of-gross-overcharging

What the wife needs to do is trade him in for Juan the poolboy: then he'd be fucked because the structuring probably includes a PRA agreement....

[BoristheBiter]

Here's a Lor Talk article which gives some more detail about what went down.

http://www.lawsociety.org.nz/lawtalk/issue-834/lawyers-complaints-service-lawyer-guilty-of-gross-overcharging

What the wife needs to do is trade him in for Juan the poolboy: then he'd be fucked because the structuring probably includes a PRA agreement....

Fuck that would be funny.

She would be like "get your broken white arse out of my house".:killingme

[BoristheBiter]

depends. Not usually. But it will depend on a number of things like structures, who signed up for what etc. I wondered whether this was something that was an insured thing. I doubt it somehow.

I have been following the proceedings and filling in a few blanks from my own experience. I doubt that a three line harold article will give the true flava.

It might be an empty gesture if he doesnt have half a mill to give back, eh?

Just thinking (I know first time for everything) can that be classed as fraud?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just thinking (I know first time for everything) can that be classed as fraud?

not really. Fraud is a criminal offence. Criminal offences have a higher burden of proof (Beyond reasonable doubt) vs a civil claim (balance of probabilities).

Unfortunately for his victims (who, if you read that Law Talk article are now penniless and living in a council flat or whatever) the lawyers disciplinary process is the only justice they are going to get: They can't probably afford to sue him, and even if they did they wouldnt collect because, you know, he has no money.

the thing with these things is that he has to have seen it coming since probably 2009. so "putting his affairs in order" happened back then. Speculating, but she probably had to buy his half share of the properties and assets at valuation and with a PRA agreement (think about the market back then, allow a discount for a friendly valuer and a related party transaction and no commission...). that would have left her with debt but maybe covered by the rentals from the rental properties. The uplift in the market has benefitted her. His money likely went on (you guessed it) lawyers and maybe there is a fund there for reparations or something.

He probably hasn't committed any criminal offence.

Shitty end to a career though.

[phill-k]

Here's a Lor Talk article which gives some more detail about what went down.

http://www.lawsociety.org.nz/lawtalk/issue-834/lawyers-complaints-service-lawyer-guilty-of-gross-overcharging

What the wife needs to do is trade him in for Juan the poolboy: then he'd be fucked because the structuring probably includes a PRA agreement....

Someone should take a photo of him photoshop it with a bird preferably someone they know in a compromised position and send it to her, she will boot him out and he really will be on the bones of his ass.

[Robbo]

What a Mongrel, it was a mate he ripped off.
With friends like that, who needs enemies. :mad:

[Akzle]

What a Mongrel, it was a mate he ripped off.
With LAWYERS like that, who needs LAWYERS. :mad:

Fuxed ut for u.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fuxed ut for u.

Aw cheer up buddy. Not enough flouride in your water today?

iPUmE-tne5U

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9733771/Bankrupt-lawyers-island-bolt-hole

question answered. He is untouchable. Unless Mary boots him for a young, well endowed, six pack ab, spiritied "conversationalist". Shirley there will be some volunteers in the KB population.

Bet she is even keeping up his golf club membership so that she can kick him out of the house and Juan can orally pleasure her. She hadn't had an orgasm since 1956. Until last week.

They're probably religious. And have some internal justification as to how its all someone elses fault.

Dirty pool, old man, dirty pool.

[oldrider]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9733771/Bankrupt-lawyers-island-bolt-hole

The real criminals in this country are people of this guy's ilk ... it's called growing the business!

Just like expecting rabbit boards to exterminate rabbits ... it's their rice bowl FFS!

Some Lawyers go on to become Judges ... so what could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

If he hadn't been exposed this guy might have become one of them! :yes:

[willytheekid]

So??....can we start cullling the lawyers off now or wot!...the bloody maggots!!

...funny story for ya's

I had a lawyer "try" to charge me over 5 grand for "legal services"...funny thing is, he lost all the paper work and screwed the case up royaly!...BUT...so did the other guys lawyer, we ended up settled the matter over a beer an Yak. (against our lawyers..."advice":tugger:)
I then got a bill for over 5g...so I took four very large!...very scary! looking mates up to the lawyers office...to see if he would sign a wee letter stating that he's bloody useless, and will naturally wave all fees.

...he signed it pritty damned fast! :nya:....And I never heard from the maggot ever again :clap:)


Wanna reduce REAL crime...
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29922119.jpg
Would be the biggest clean out of criminals in NZ history!!

[awa355]

If you or I were made bankrupt today, how long do you think it would take before the baliff was knocking on the door demanding your bike, your car, your tools, sports equipment etc had to be sold. I always understood, they could virtually clean you out.

What can they take or make you get rid off?

[TheDemonLord]

One of my best friends is a Lawyer - so I give Lawyers a fair amount of Flak - but consider this:

The Police charge someone (and ya know, the police have done their usual 'thorough' investigation with no half arsing :killingme)

The guy (who is probably not the smartest cookie in the Jar, afterall, he got charged by the Police!) stands up in court, with no lawyer and does a crap job of defending himself (he isn't a lawyer) and gets sentanced.

Suppose that guy is innocent and would have been proven so by even the most dim-witted of lawyers.

Yes Lawyers can be legalisled criminals, but the reality is that Law is complex, and as such has loop holes that the clever people can take advantage of for their own means. Without lawyers however, the Smart people would still get away with shit (as they currently do) but those that aren't clever would get screwed even more than they currently do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If you or I were made bankrupt today, how long do you think it would take before the baliff was knocking on the door demanding your bike, your car, your tools, sports equipment etc had to be sold. I always understood, they could virtually clean you out.

What can they take or make you get rid off?

shit you own. Except tools of trade and a car worth such and such amount IIRC. look up insolvency.govt.nz

the point here is this guy owns nothing. His wife does. and he is bankrupt thus untouchable. As long as he keeps onside with her, he is golden.

[oldrider]

If a manufacturer of wheelbarrows kept making and distributing wheelbarrows to a diminishing glutted market for wheelbarrows they would be riddiculed and broke!

Why then is it OK for Universities to keep on churning out lawyers year after year after year? (The taxpayer subsidises them?)

If crime "was" being reduced they would have no work!

Major incentive for criminal lawyers to "grow the business" and the temtation to actually join their prodigies must be enormous $$$$$$$$$$! :stoogie:

[imdying]

So what you're saying is they collectively need to make her life with him unbearable?

[imdying]

Why then is it OK for Universities to keep on churning out lawyers year after year after year? (The taxpayer subsidises them?)Because what I study for is none of your fucking business?

[oldrider]

Because what I study for is none of your fucking business?

Well it is if I am paying for it as a taxpayer!

[HenryDorsetCase]

If a manufacturer of wheelbarrows kept making and distributing wheelbarrows to a diminishing glutted market for wheelbarrows they would be riddiculed and broke!

Why then is it OK for Universities to keep on churning out lawyers year after year after year? (The taxpayer subsidises them?)

If crime "was" being reduced they would have no work!

Major incentive for criminal lawyers to "grow the business" and the temtation to actually join their prodigies must be enormous $$$$$$$$$$! :stoogie:

a Law graduate is not a lawyer. I'm barely a lawyer and I've been doing it for 20+ years.

Lots of law grads have no desire whatever to be what you think of as a lawyer (in private practice at a firm dealing with private client matters). And who can blame them? A law degree is a toolbox. Primarily it is a way of framing questions and dealing with problems.

Bear in mind too that after you do the post-grad training you get admitted to the bar. There is a time and cost impost there. What that does is entitle you to call yourself a lawyer. Then you have to get a job, work your way up, do more post grad training and then become a principal in a firm. Then you get your hand on the cheque book. Theres a a fairly high attrition rate there.

"criminal lawyers" usually means lawyers who deal with criminal matters. You cannot call Castles a criminal lawyer because: a) he has not been convicted of a crime, and b) he is not a lawyer anymore.

There are plenty of things you could call him but that isn't one.

[rustyrobot]

If a manufacturer of wheelbarrows kept making and distributing wheelbarrows to a diminishing glutted market for wheelbarrows they would be riddiculed and broke!

Why then is it OK for Universities to keep on churning out lawyers year after year after year?

Nah, there's no oversupply of lawyers. Colin Craig is going to hire them all. That's what he's going to fill his cabinet with right?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well it is if I am paying for it as a taxpayer!

you also pay for a lot of solo mum benefits, treaty settlements, subsidies to big business, and the costs of selling taxpayer funded assets. Doubtless your umbrage is expressed and your jimmies rustled also.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.nzlawyermagazine.co.nz/news/second-auckland-lawyer-struck-off-in-two-days-184214.aspx

just to get you frothing

[imdying]

Well it is if I am paying for it as a taxpayer!Mmmmm... well the education I allegedly got on your taxpayer dollar, is what I'll be using to pay your pension and the upkeep on your utilities when you're no longer employable, grandad. If you don't think that's a fair trade, you're more than welcome to die before you become a burden.

[BoristheBiter]

shit you own. Except tools of trade and a car worth such and such amount IIRC. look up insolvency.govt.nz

the point here is this guy owns nothing. His wife does. and he is bankrupt thus untouchable. As long as he keeps onside with her, he is golden.

Wasn't there something about him putting it all in his wife name after this happened?

He must have been taking lessons off Hart.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wasn't there something about him putting it all in his wife name after this happened?

He must have been taking lessons off Hart.

pure speculation on my part but they will have seen it coming.

What the OA will have to do is convince him or her self that there is no prospect of recovery, no voidable transaction blahdeblah. Not my field but the point of attach has to be when and how and for what consideration the assets were divested then what happened to the money.

If there is no realistic prospect of recovery then the OA has a duty to not tilt at windmills.

[neels]

a Law graduate is not a lawyer. I'm barely a lawyer and I've been doing it for 20+ years.

Lots of law grads have no desire whatever to be what you think of as a lawyer (in private practice at a firm dealing with private client matters). And who can blame them? A law degree is a toolbox. Primarily it is a way of framing questions and dealing with problems.

Bear in mind too that after you do the post-grad training you get admitted to the bar. There is a time and cost impost there. What that does is entitle you to call yourself a lawyer. Then you have to get a job, work your way up, do more post grad training and then become a principal in a firm. Then you get your hand on the cheque book. Theres a a fairly high attrition rate there.

Nothing like selling your profession as a viable career option to the younger generation :eek5: Wonder if it's too late for my daughter to cancel her uni enrolment...


Wasn't there something about him putting it all in his wife name after this happened?

He must have been taking lessons off Hart.

If you start naming names of the dodgy ones who have everything in the wife's name when things go tits up, it'll be a long list.

Fortunately for these people, while they are still making (or, if you prefer, stealing) enough money, they can afford people to set their affairs in order so those they took it from can't get it back.

[BoristheBiter]

pure speculation on my part but they will have seen it coming.

What the OA will have to do is convince him or her self that there is no prospect of recovery, no voidable transaction blahdeblah. Not my field but the point of attach has to be when and how and for what consideration the assets were divested then what happened to the money.

If there is no realistic prospect of recovery then the OA has a duty to not tilt at windmills.

I would go and find some "hard hitting fuckers" and ask polity to sign the house over to me.

[jasonu]

...funny story for ya's

I had a lawyer "try" to charge me over 5 grand for "legal services"...funny thing is, he lost all the paper work and screwed the case up royaly!...BUT...so did the other guys lawyer, we ended up settled the matter over a beer an Yak. (against our lawyers..."advice":tugger:)
I then got a bill for over 5g...so I took four very large!...very scary! looking mates up to the lawyers office...to see if he would sign a wee letter stating that he's bloody useless, and will naturally wave all fees.

...he signed it pritty damned fast! :nya:....And I never heard from the maggot ever again :clap:)
!!

I call bullshit on that.

[oldrider]

Mmmmm... well the education I allegedly got on your taxpayer dollar, is what I'll be using to pay your pension and the upkeep on your utilities when you're no longer employable, grandad. If you don't think that's a fair trade, you're more than welcome to die before you become a burden.

And thats appreciated as I am no longer employable now! :D Dying? Yeah, well I'm working on that and at least I am making progress ... how well are you doing? :confused:

[imdying]

We're all dying mate, please don't work on it too hard.

[SPman]

I call bullshit on that.

I've heard of it happening in the construction trade (different circumstances) from very reliable sources and provenances, so I've no doubt it could well have ocurred!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nothing like selling your profession as a viable career option to the younger generation :eek5: Wonder if it's too late for my daughter to cancel her uni enrolment...

.

Its not too late for her to do something useful with her life. Dentistry. Be a vet. An accountant even* A scientist! A welder!


*yeah maybe not.


Lots of people think this job is glamorous, well paid, and fabulous. It isnt. What I tell all our new staff is "We're plumbers son. Roll your fucking sleeves up and get your hand down the u-bend because we get paid to deal with people's shit". Plus its stressful, hard on family life and occasionally you want to strangle people.

Its too late for me but not for her!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I would go and find some "hard hitting fuckers" and ask polity to sign the house over to me.

and they will call the police who will immediately attend. (It is Grey Lynn) and arrest the people threatening. Justifiably too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fortunately for these people, while they are still making (or, if you prefer, stealing) enough money, they can afford people to set their affairs in order so those they took it from can't get it back.

one of the interesting developments in trust practice over the last few years is called the "Hotchin clause".

Its pretty easy to focus on this fuckwit right, but lets be realistic: he only ripped off one couple of $.5M. There is a schadenfreude aspect to it (which I am not exempt from) but compared with, say, the legalised rort that was SCF, the finance company collapses and the gross amounts of money made prior and after by those guys it is chicken feed. Plus only a very very small percentage were ever charged with anything, much less convicted.

[rustyrobot]

I still don't get the justification for the SCF bailout. The government never gives me my money back when my lotto tickets don't win.

[awa355]

And thats appreciated as I am no longer employable now! :D Dying? Yeah, well I'm working on that and at least I am making progress ... how well are you doing? :confused:

Know the feeling, as I have told others, " Growing old is a life skill you young buggars haven't learnt yet ".

[HenryDorsetCase]

I still don't get the justification for the SCF bailout. The government never gives me my money back when my lotto tickets don't win.

You aren't "too big to fail" and government guaranteed (P and I!) up to a million.

It seems crazy now. and of course the influx of money pumped it up HARD so when it burst it was even uglier.

[BoristheBiter]

You aren't "too big to fail" and government guaranteed (P and I!) up to a million.

It seems crazy now. and of course the influx of money pumped it up HARD so when it burst it was even uglier.

If i knew high interest/high risk meant getting bailed out by the tax payer i would have put everything in there.

Same as we (the tax payer) are paying 50% on non insured homes in the red zone.

[neels]

On the subject of ripoffs...


Same as we (the tax payer) are paying 50% on non insured homes in the red zone.You mean 50% of the land value to people who have been told the government wants to take the land they hold title to.

They get nothing for the house, and if you had no house and therefore no insurance, bye bye to 50% of the 2007 value of your land, thanks for playing.

[BoristheBiter]

On the subject of ripoffs...

You mean 50% of the land value to people who have been told the government wants to take the land they hold title to.

They get nothing for the house, and if you had no house and therefore no insurance, bye bye to 50% of the 2007 value of your land, thanks for playing.

Well you could try and sell it on the open market.

[blue rider]

Well you could try and sell it on the open market.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/files/2011/09/Greed-is-Good-251x300.jpg

[willytheekid]

I call bullshit on that.

HA!:laugh:
Its the god honest truth!:yes:

...sadly, its the ONLY time I have ever experienced a positive outcome when dealing with a lawyer!<_<

The legal system in this country is defined by money and who you know...it has nothing to do with "justice":no:
Hence when some incompetent sleaze bag, who has done nothing but fail & fuck up a simple day case!, hands me a bill for 5 fucking grand!!...I prefer not to rely on the NZ "justice system" to sort the issue out for me.(All I did was take some mates with me to see if he would sign a form waving his fee's due to gross incompetence...not my fault they where huge & ugly!:innocent:, and the guy certainly didn't hesitate in signing to acknowledge said complaints & mutually agreed remedy:D)

http://pikof.com/di/UXH8/its-an-older-meme-but-it-checks-out.jpg

...a whole days "work"!!:brick:....turns up with NOTHING!!:brick:....claims "I lost it all...so sorry":crazy:..."oh"..."but heres my 5 FUCKING GRAND bill!!...for doing DICK!":bs:...I should have started a trend of killing the fuckers right there & then....just look how far we have "progressed"<_<


...maggots!!

[caseye]

Willy mate, that was a good outcome, ya didnae need to kill him. Though, it mighta helped the next poor sucker.
Shes done mate, together at last and looking like a millzillion bucks.

[willytheekid]

Willy mate, that was a good outcome, ya didnae need to kill him. Though, it mighta helped the next poor sucker.
Shes done mate, together at last and looking like a millzillion bucks.

PIC'S!!:eek:

[pete376403]

"First thing we do, lets kill all the lawyers" Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78, William Shakespeare.

[oldrider]

"First thing we do, lets kill all the lawyers" Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78, William Shakespeare.

Won't work ... they just keep churning out new ones .. faster than you could kill them!

Don't forget they also hide in places of ill repute such as Parliament and in local body politics banks etc! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Brown

Let them live but make them wear a sign .. sort of like a double D :rolleyes: But wait that has been tried before! :eek: (Least we forget!) :(

[Akzle]

.

Let them live but make them wear a sign ..

http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/judentum-aktenlage/hol/EncJud_judenstern-d/013-Deutschland-armband-weiss-m-gelbem-judenstern-m-schw-inschrift-jude.jpg.

[oldrider]

They were the innocent victims of that shameful act ... least we forget! :o

Those that created the situation were tucked up safe in Britain and America! :yes: More active than ever in world affairs to this very day! :facepalm: