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Stylo

3rd March 2014, 19:30

Tazz

3rd March 2014, 19:44

What do you want it for?

Commuting? Family outings only? Towing occasionally? Mainly city driving? Mainly 'open road' driving? Light offroading (skiing, fishing, exploring etc)? Car bomb? Work?

Budget?

Stylo

3rd March 2014, 19:49

SMOKEU

3rd March 2014, 20:09

Probably a Tiguan or Q5.

Akzle

3rd March 2014, 20:16

suv question?

No.
suv answer.

suvs are for wankers and aucklanders.

skippa1

3rd March 2014, 20:19

A mates got a new Kuga. Yuk. Small inside, very plasticky and lots of road noise. Nana car

JimO

3rd March 2014, 20:26

not whats on the list but prado

jim.cox

3rd March 2014, 20:48

Laava

3rd March 2014, 20:58

Stick with the japanese stuff.

Gremlin

3rd March 2014, 21:13

I'd suggest a Rav-4, mum has had a 5 door for quite a few years, all it's ever needed is 1 battery and the regular services. Early gen of fly by wire though, which isn't entirely perfect. It's really a road vehicle though, not a 4x4, but it's all wheel drive, so good grip on NZ roads.

EJK

3rd March 2014, 21:33

<img width="600" src="http://photo.netcarshow.com/Porsche-Cayenne_S_Diesel_2013_photo_01.jpg" />

You didn't say how much.

Gremlin

3rd March 2014, 21:39

You didn't say how much.
It's about $5-6k for a set of tyres I believe. Owners find out, don't want to pay. Resale value on them has tanked. :crazy:

Laava

3rd March 2014, 21:59

It's about $5-6k for a set of tyres I believe. Owners find out, don't want to pay. Resale value on them has tanked. :crazy:

$800 is a more normal price to pay for a set of semi off road tyres. Not too bad really and good for about 30,000km if you are hard on them. I have had several sets on my ute.

Gremlin

3rd March 2014, 22:16

$800 is a more normal price to pay for a set of semi off road tyres. Not too bad really and good for about 30,000km if you are hard on them. I have had several sets on my ute.
You mis-understand. I believe the Cayenne, because of it's rating, requires special tyres, possibly only one model available, specially made for the Cayenne... and yeah, they're a little expensive. :eek5:

Berries

3rd March 2014, 22:19

Try an SUV forum.

Tazz

3rd March 2014, 23:10

You mis-understand. I believe the Cayenne, because of it's rating, requires special tyres, possibly only one model available, specially made for the Cayenne... and yeah, they're a little expensive. :eek5:

Sure you're thinking of the right Porsche?

http://www.farmcollector.com/~/media/Images/FCM/Editorial/Blogs/Looking%20Back/Porsche%20Touch%20Extended%20to%20Tractors/Porsche-Junior.jpg

Changing the hubs and rims would be cheaper than that so I think you might have the wrong end of the stick on that bit of info...

Laava

4th March 2014, 06:24

unstuck

4th March 2014, 06:29

Hilux, Patrol/safari, Landrover, rangerover, jeep wrangler/cherokee. In that order, anything other than than those, your a muppet, stick to cars and highways.:2thumbsup

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 07:46

Hilux, Patrol/safari, Landrover, rangerover, jeep wrangler/cherokee. In that order, anything other than than those, your a muppet, stick to cars and highways.:2thumbsup

Those Hiluxes and Safaris are horribly overpriced, gutless, thirsty and unreliable death traps. The Europeans were investing huge amounts of money in R&D just when the Japanese were going through a recession in the 1990s. The petrol versions are going to be thirsty, and the diesels are so many years behind the Europeans it's just not funny. It's just a matter of the sheep believing the same old wive's tales that the Japanese used car dealers keep repeating in order to sell more overpriced crap that the rest of the first world doesn't want.

Banditbandit

4th March 2014, 07:56

I was looking at replacing our older Terrano recently (Yeah .. but I need something to tow the boat and I used to live in the snow country and sometimes a 4X4 was the only way in and out ...)

I would buy a Mitsi ASX .... They are small, the have the least complicated driver's layout .. Mitsi give a 10-year warranty .. they are nice to drive .. they will do some towing ..

I just like them .. for something with four wheels that is ..

Swoop

4th March 2014, 07:58

Option #1: land rover
Option #2: range rover
Option #3: See above.

It's about $5-6k for a set of tyres I believe. Owners find out, don't want to pay. Resale value on them has tanked. :crazy:
Also, they are fugging ugly. We're talking the love-child between Sue Bradford and Helen Clarke degree of ugly.

SVboy

4th March 2014, 08:01

Those Hiluxes and Safaris are horribly overpriced, gutless, thirsty and unreliable death traps. The Europeans were investing huge amounts of money in R&D just when the Japanese were going through a recession in the 1990s. The petrol versions are going to be thirsty, and the diesels are so many years behind the Europeans it's just not funny. It's just a matter of the sheep believing the same old wive's tales that the Japanese used car dealers keep repeating in order to sell more overpriced crap that the rest of the first world doesn't want.

The europeans should have invested more in making their vehicles more reliable and less complicated.

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 08:19

The europeans should have invested more in making their vehicles more reliable and less complicated.

Most of them are pretty reliable. It's just that the dumb fucks who own them think that they know more about how to maintain a vehicle than the manufacturer does, then they complain when they're left with an eye-wateringly high repair bill after years of neglect. After all, IIRC, VAG is the world's second largest vehicle manufacturer so they do know what they're doing. Toyota certainly isn't without their flaws either, since they have also had a large number of vehicle recalls in recent years. Even the modern "simple" cars like a Corolla still have a very complex electrical system that is beyond the capabilities of an average backyard mechanic with simple hand tools.

Flip

4th March 2014, 08:27

SVboy

4th March 2014, 08:27

Wont argue with you there, but rather have a corolla that a tourag, Q7 or Porshe or Merc, no matter how well maintained. Those Vag suv platforms set new standards in unreliability.

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 08:46

There is really no choice, Suzuki, we have owned one since 96 and it has been the most reilyable car I have ever had any experience with.

Other than the very basic maintenance costs it has cost nothing to own. It is fine to drive sure its no racing car. Its very light on fuel, and it is a propper 4wd with low ratio. I would also tow a medium size trailer with mine just fine.

Keep away from diesels, the technology for common rail motors is not right yet.

Saying that I am still a landrover fan. I would not be without my V8.

My mate had one of those Suzukis and it was one of the most horrible vehicles I've ever been in. I would want to kill myself if I had to drive one on a regular basis. Now it was pretty good offroad and could easily embarass well kitted out SUVs worth 5 times as much money, but that's where the good points end. Even when driven gently it would drink much more fuel than my mates VT 3.8L Commodore. It was so gutless that holding up traffic around town when pulling away from intersections was the norm. It was pretty high maintenance too. It felt like a tinny death trap, and it was. I actually feel much safer on a motorbike than I do in one of those horrid things.

The technology for common rail diesels has been good for many years in the European vehicles, just not in Japanese engines. It's quite common for commercial VAG and Fiat diesels to go for many hundreds of thousands of kms with nothing more than basic maintenance. Why do you think that Suzuki uses a Fiat diesel on their Vitara? Toyota has even realised that they can't build a good diesel engine to compete with the European models in terms of reliability, fuel efficiency and refinement, so the latest European Hiace is actually a rebadged PSA vehicle. We won't be getting that here though, we're stuck with the shitty model we have now. It's actually quite a good business strategy; keep building the same old, overpriced rubbish with very little money spent on R&D, and laugh all the way to the bank as the sheeple continue to pay ridiculous amounts of money for what is actually an old, inefficient vehicle underneath a modern looking shell.

Scuba_Steve

4th March 2014, 08:53

Option #1: land rover
Option #2: range rover
Option #3: See above.

Yep as above, only get the Extremeifyed version - Bowler Wildcat!

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111203190546/topgear/images/a/a3/Bowler_wildcat.jpg

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 09:07

Yep as above, only get the Extremeifyed version - Bowler Wildcat!

I want one!

Banditbandit

4th March 2014, 09:09

There is really no choice, Suzuki,

When we were looking at a 4X4 we took a Suzuki from Napier to Auckland and back just try it out .. it was like sitting on a fucking BRICK!!! By Taupo we had sore arses and did not want one .. we still had to get to Auckland and back ..

Much as I currently love my Suzuki bikes that experience put me off Suzuki 4X4s for ever ..

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 09:24

When we were looking at a 4X4 we took a Suzuki from Napier to Auckland and back just try it out .. it was like sitting on a fucking BRICK!!! By Taupo we had sore arses and did not want one .. we still had to get to Auckland and back ..

Much as I currently love my Suzuki bikes that experience put me off Suzuki 4X4s for ever ..

What model year was the Suzuki?

Flip

4th March 2014, 09:54

Everything is a compromise, low BC equals low open road fuel usage, powerfull motor equals more fual usage around town, road suspension is terrible off road and vice versa. All I can say is after 19 years ownership I have found the Suzuki to be a brillant wee 4wd. I would get another without hesitation. The one we have is quiet, relatively comfortable and a great wee car. In 19 years I have never had to take a spanner to it. I guess if you compare it to a V6 saloon its going to be slow and uncomfortable, if you compare it against my landy it has poor off road performance. Saying that the Suzuki is a propper 4wd, as std is able to match it off road with the best of the std off road trucks and also drive on the road with modern passanger vehicles. My wee suzuki has done 800km from 50 litres of fuel with carefull driving. So I suspect there was something wrong with the one you were in.

I have some experience as a professional engineer with fuels and I would personally not buy a common rail motor (yet) and I don't care who makes it.

This is my personal bush pig 4WD.

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Ex NZ Army V8 stage 1. It has parabolics cw 2" lift, OME shocks, high ratio gear set, LPG kit fitted and running properly, lockers, 32" BRG muds, enough radio gear to sink a sub, snorkle and extended breathers. Its really a range rover with a different body and its perminant 4WD.

I use it for hunting and as a mobile radio station.

When I am a bit more fiscal I am going to fit a set of higher compression ratio car heads as these make another 35 hp and use less fuel. I am also looking for a 1kw linear amp as you can never have enough radio power (I laugh at you 5W PRS walkie talkies!).

The last time I opened a Rockgas account I was only paying $1 for LPG which makes this cheaper than any diesel to run hands down. It costs about the same to drive as the 1.6 vitara. I change the oil every 7-10k km. I also swap the transmission fluids every time I cross cross deep water. I have done about 80k km in this truck mostly on hunting and 4WD trips. I have broken 1 front axle towing a trailer with half a tonne of dead rabbits up a very steep doser track at last years easter bunny hunt. I have also replaced every hose and rubber part and had the radiator recored with the highest dennsity one available. The distributor in this is from a range rover as the factory one was a supprssed radio unit (ie, no parts), this some times gives me trouble as it is water proofed and condensation forms inside it and causes problems. The LPG kit gave me heaps of problems (OK years) until I found a bit of swaff inside the slow running jet.

The advantage is it is big and takes a lot of gear to places you dont think you could drive to. The disadvantage is its fucking terrible to drive on the road, relatively slow and very noisy.

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When I compare my mates new V6 Commodore (new shape 2013) to my lotus the V6 is guttless, fucking slow, handles like a POS, the brakes are tiny, cheap and over heat after one stop. Its also fat heavy and drinks fuel. Get my point?

Banditbandit

4th March 2014, 13:25

What model year was the Suzuki?

Probably around 2000. I have since sat in other Suzies ... still not that impressed.

FROSTY

4th March 2014, 14:26

Smaller size SUV's, Honda CR-V, Hyundai, Kia or Holden Captiva ?

Toyota Rav-4, Subaru Forester, Dodge , Ford Kuga, Mazda , Suzuki , Mitsubishi ....... and the list goes on..

What would you choose from the current crop and, why ?
What I woulod buy and what you would buy are probably worlds apart. BUT
Currently available stuff. Id buy a manual Nissan Xtrail
Comfortable to drive for road use. (Carlike basicly). Motors well proven as being strong. Capable for offroad use/boat launching.

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 14:32

Probably around 2000. I have since sat in other Suzies ... still not that impressed.

I went for a ride in a 2009 model, and the performance was dreadfully slow with that 2L petrol engine. It wasn't a bad vehicle inside, but the ride was a bit on the harsh side.

HenryDorsetCase

4th March 2014, 14:35

Hoon

4th March 2014, 14:42

BMW X5 for me..the twin turbo V8 version of course!

jasonu

4th March 2014, 15:21

Wot about this one

Edbear

4th March 2014, 15:42

All of the above

There is really no choice, Suzuki, we have owned one since 96 and it has been the most reilyable car I have ever had any experience with.

Other than the very basic maintenance costs it has cost nothing to own. It is fine to drive sure its no racing car. Its very light on fuel, and it is a propper 4wd with low ratio. I would also tow a medium size trailer with mine just fine.

Keep away from diesels, the technology for common rail motors is not right yet.

Saying that I am still a landrover fan. I would not be without my V8.

What I woulod buy and what you would buy are probably worlds apart. BUT
Currently available stuff. Id buy a manual Nissan Xtrail
Comfortable to drive for road use. (Carlike basicly). Motors well proven as being strong. Capable for offroad use/boat launching.

I bought a Subaru XV a year or so back. bit small for your needs?

I was loaned a Subaru XV while the Kizashi was in for its service. A very nice vehicle and certainly at the top of a short list. I have also tried out the Suzuki Grand Vitara, the new one with the same 2.4lt engine as the Kisashi and what a car! It was grunty, very quick off the mark, almost as comfortable on the road and still a genuine 4 x 4 that will go anywhere most vehicles won't.

The Nissan X-Trail is also worth looking at. Watch Rav's for their rear suspension issues, they don't like loads and will collapse as one did for my Bro-in-law when he shifted house. Not sure about the new ones, though.

All the petrol's will be hungry when towing, but it's hard to find a good diesel at a good price. The Hyuandai i35 was about the best and if you can get one of those for a reasonable price, well worth a look. The Nissan Terrano's are good but a bit slow even with the turbo diesel. However they do have an issue with the manual gearboxes chewing out 2nd gear for some reason. For everything you ever wanted to know about them, give Tim a call at Hibiscus Coast Service Centre, 09-424 0477.

Laava

4th March 2014, 17:43

Those Hiluxes and Safaris are horribly overpriced, gutless, thirsty and unreliable death traps. The Europeans were investing huge amounts of money in R&D just when the Japanese were going through a recession in the 1990s. The petrol versions are going to be thirsty, and the diesels are so many years behind the Europeans it's just not funny. It's just a matter of the sheep believing the same old wive's tales that the Japanese used car dealers keep repeating in order to sell more overpriced crap that the rest of the first world doesn't want.

Yes the hiluxes, safaris and landcruisers are over priced. What you get though is a reliable vehicle that is well made and keeps it,s value quite well making it a better investment than any of the euro trash.
Look at the price of a 10 yr old hilux vs a 10 yr old euro suv and compare the devaluation.

SMOKEU

4th March 2014, 18:18

Yes the hiluxes, safaris and landcruisers are over priced. What you get though is a reliable vehicle that is well made and keeps it,s value quite well making it a better investment than any of the euro trash.
Look at the price of a 10 yr old hilux vs a 10 yr old euro suv and compare the devaluation.

They're not necesserily reliable, I know several people who own those above mentioned vehicles who have to spend a fuckload of money on them to keep them maintained properly. Not because they're an inherently bad vehicle, but just because they're old, worn out and suffered from years of neglect and abuse. Old, inefficient technology like that is always going to be very high maintenance compared to the modern European vehicles with those extra long service intervals. The real reason why these old SUVs go for crazy money over here is because people are stupid enough to be brainwashed into paying ridiculous money for a vehicle that is at the end of its useful design life.

It's not always bad to buy these old vehicles, but it's crazy for people to pay as much as they do for an old, worn out vehicle that is going to be very high maintenance. The price should reflect the age, mileage, and condition. 15 year old Landcruisers still commonly have an asking price of around $30k with over 200,000km on the clock, and I bet there are plenty of people stupid enough to pay decent vehicle money for an old wreck.

Laava

4th March 2014, 19:49

The real reason why these old SUVs go for crazy money over here is because people are stupid enough to be brainwashed into paying ridiculous money for a vehicle that is at the end of its useful design life.

It's not always bad to buy these old vehicles, but it's crazy for people to pay as much as they do for an old, worn out vehicle that is going to be very high maintenance. The price should reflect the age, mileage, and condition. 15 year old Landcruisers still commonly have an asking price of around $30k with over 200,000km on the clock, and I bet there are plenty of people stupid enough to pay decent vehicle money for an old wreck.

Although there is an element of truth here, it is still the case that people will buy the best option. A ten year old jappa or a ten year old euro? I know where I will put my money.

Akzle

5th March 2014, 01:19

15 year old Landcruisers still commonly have an asking price of around $30k with over 200,000km on the clock, and I bet there are plenty of people stupid enough to pay decent vehicle money for an old wreck.

given that a proper cruiser's 'useful design life' starts at about 600 thou and goes up to 'around the clock about 4 times'... What fuken price do you expect to pay. At 200k, most people wouldnt have got the burrs off the front diff.
I mean the 4.2 i6 cruiser, not a wank tank v8 prado.

unstuck

5th March 2014, 05:23

80 series vx landcruiser, 1992-1995. The end.:yes:

Laava

5th March 2014, 06:21

80 series vx landcruiser, 1992-1995. The end.:yes:

Soooo....what do you drive then?

Scuba_Steve

5th March 2014, 07:12

80 series vx landcruiser, 1992-1995. The end.:yes:

Pfft; Series IIA LandRover, '67. The end! :Punk:

Banditbandit

5th March 2014, 07:40

80 series vx landcruiser, 1992-1995. The end.:yes:

Pfft; Series IIA LandRover, '67. The end! :Punk:

Yeah - as they are both totally last century they are definitely ended !!!

unstuck

6th March 2014, 03:36

Soooo....what do you drive then?

Mercedes F10:Punk::Punk:, mostly. Hilux, Grand cherokee, and at the moment I am also thrashing a mazda proceed to death. That will teach them for trying to make a 4x4.One of the worst examples of a 4x4 I have ever seen. As for being last century Bandit, thats what makes them so good, live axles, and fuck all electronics. A decent 94/95 VX landcruiser will still cost you 12 to 15 grand for a reason. Those 1HZ motors are one of the best motors you will find in a 4x4.:Punk::Punk:

Scuba_Steve

6th March 2014, 08:30

I am also thrashing a mazda proceed to death. That will teach them for trying to make a 4x4.One of the worst examples of a 4x4 I have ever seen.

Is it even the 4x4 model? but they were never designed to be 4x4, they were made for the SUV market

As for being last century Bandit, thats what makes them so good, live axles, and fuck all electronics. A decent 94/95 VX landcruiser will still cost you 12 to 15 grand for a reason. Those 1HZ motors are one of the best motors you will find in a 4x4.:Punk::Punk:

yep & no police remote stopping systems gonna affect these beasts & they crush others rather than themselves

Akzle

6th March 2014, 08:58

Is it even the 4x4 model? but they were never designed to be 4x4, they were made for the SUV market

which is a shame since their b series were pretty competent utes.

unstuck

6th March 2014, 16:32

unstuck

6th March 2014, 16:34

which is a shame since their b series were pretty competent utes.

Agreed, those old B1600,s were the shizzle.:Punk::Punk:

SMOKEU

6th March 2014, 16:40

The only truck I have had that has been worse off road, was a ford ranger. Fucking useless off road those things.:Punk::Punk:

Was the Ranger a USA or International model? Was it running car tyres or something equally shitty for offroad?

unstuck

6th March 2014, 16:44

Was the Ranger a USA or International model? Was it running car tyres or something equally shitty for offroad?

Was fitted with Maxxis buckshot mudders, as are most of the fleet. International model, 2007. Utter shit offroad, but real nice on road. More of a tradesmans ute, and not a bushbashing contractor.:violin:

Akzle

6th March 2014, 17:02

The proceed is just about the worst 4x4 I have had the pleasure of bashing to death in the bush. 2.6 petrol auto, wont even pull itself up some of our tracks, let alone a trailer.
It has electric locking hubs that turn themselves off when they feel like it, usually when you need them the most. The chassis has less flex than a 90 year old man, and you have to remove the motor to do the timing chain, but thats Mitsubishis fault I guess, seeing as how they make the motors for them. The only truck I have had that has been worse off road, was a ford ranger. Fucking useless off road those things.:Punk::Punk:

naw. The 4g will handle shit for days. Its the marvie badge that does it. I dont like the platform. I like utes. Same reason i dont like the surfs.
Ranger? like a new wanked up courier? yeah fuck them. I think top gear decided it was better to park with the brake off and wait for the earth to revolve underneath em than try driving them anywhere.

neels

6th March 2014, 17:06

I'll keep thrashing my old terrano until it's dead, done 220k now so nice and run in, and down to residual value and not worth selling. Still passes wofs and gets me anywhere I need to go (eventually). Have no idea what I'd replace it with, I'm with the previous posts liking the lack of electronic anything in the thing.

As for euro unreliability, currently in the fleet are a 110k peugeot, a 310k peugeot and a 300k mercedes, none of which have given me any real grief. Before that I've had a saab and a vw golf, which were as good, just buy your parts direct from the UK and they're cheaper than a jappa to keep on the road.

unstuck

6th March 2014, 17:37

Pretty rugged those older model Terranos and pathfinders. Daihatsu rugger are not bad with a few mods either, for what you pay for them.

http://www.cars-directory.net/pics/daihatsu/rugger/1996/daihatsu_rugger_a1245306013b2773998_orig.jpg

Scuba_Steve

6th March 2014, 17:55

The only truck I have had that has been worse off road, was a ford ranger. Fucking useless off road those things.:Punk::Punk:

So what your saying is Ford's are fucking useless offroad! as the 2 worst 4x4 vehicles you've driven have been Ford & Ford by a different name... Makes sense, the yanks are known for building what have to be the most useless excuse for offroad vehicles in existence when it comes to consumer grade; their military grade stuff on the other hand :Punk:

unstuck

6th March 2014, 18:05

So what your saying is Ford's are fucking useless offroad! as the 2 worst 4x4 vehicles you've driven have been Ford & Ford by a different name... Makes sense, the yanks are known for building what have to be the most useless excuse for offroad vehicles in existence when it comes to consumer grade; their military grade stuff on the other hand :Punk:

Some of the Ford broncos and Chevy blazers used to be capable off road with slight mods, never really had much to do with later american stuff. The jeep Grand cherokee we have is pretty shit too in the real offroad, but it is coil sprung, so has potential but its not worth spending the $$$ on. Only payed a grand for it with a fucked crank sensor $267 later and it is a reliable hack, but thirsty.

SPman

6th March 2014, 20:28

SUV's.....AAAAAAAARGH!

If I had to, a 71 Landcruiser or similar Landrover!

unstuck

6th March 2014, 20:59

SUV's.....AAAAAAAARGH!

If I had to, a 71 Landcruiser or similar Landrover!

Fj 40, those things still fetch big dollars if looked after. Real trucks them uns.:niceone:

Stylo

7th March 2014, 19:06

Smaller SUV's and the current crop ? ( back to original post here )

Checked a few out and nothings like the CX-5 Diesel, 420nm of torque is more than my old BA2 Xr6 and probably more than some of the old shitters mentioned on this thread, sorry but true.

Only problem is the CK-5's look a bit girly , hmmm

unstuck

7th March 2014, 19:24

and probably more than some of the old shitters mentioned on this thread, sorry but true.

Only problem is the CK-5's look a bit girly , hmmm

Torque is cheap. :bleh:

Paint it black, everything looks good painted black. Almost.:shifty:

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Stylo

7th March 2014, 19:40

Torque is cheap. :bleh:

Paint it black, everything looks good painted black. Almost.:shifty:

Nice one :-)

SMOKEU

7th March 2014, 19:54

I want that push bike!

Kickaha

7th March 2014, 20:03

I want that push bike!

Buy one then

http://www.specializedconceptstore.co.uk/s-works-venge-di2/28551/s-worksvenge

SMOKEU

7th March 2014, 20:07

Buy one then

http://www.specializedconceptstore.co.uk/s-works-venge-di2/28551/s-worksvenge

That's a mean ride, shame about the price. :(

I'm pretty happy with my 2012 Giant Defy 2 though.

Akzle

7th March 2014, 21:31

That's a mean ride, shame about the price. :(

I'm pretty happy with my 2012 Giant Defy 2 though.

and this is why cyclists are to be considered a sub species worth exterminating.

SMOKEU

7th March 2014, 22:07

and this is why cyclists are to be considered a sub species worth exterminating.

It's good exercise, cops can't do fuck all if I'm riding pissed/high, it doesn't hurt as much if I bin it, it's not as expensive to replace as a motorbike if it gets stolen etc. It's got certain advantages. Cheap as fuck to run too.

ellipsis

7th March 2014, 22:32

...I drive a 60 Series...little suv's fuck me off, but only when they are out my way and trying to be serious, and then get stuck, and then the driver banging on my door...here's a good one...comes with its own little see through garage...I love the colour of this one...sexy...

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/KGrHqYOKosFHl9wTvqhBR-9Nf160_35_zps28b5c131.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/motorcycle-mania/media/KGrHqYOKosFHl9wTvqhBR-9Nf160_35_zps28b5c131.jpg.html)

awa355

8th March 2014, 11:19

An article from the Geneva Motor Show. One option has a 9 sp automatic transmission. Surely that's overkill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11215698

Akzle

8th March 2014, 14:11

An article from the Geneva Motor Show. One option has a 9 sp automatic transmission. Surely that's overkill.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11215698

when you consider the average fourby manual has 10....

Saw that shit in the harold (tree murderin edition) looks gay and jeeps are shit. Fuken soccor mum waka.