Watch the news - B777 missing

[jonbuoy]

I think you'll find that the reason cell phones work on planes is largely because the airline hijacks your mobile phone service and charges you their own special tariff for the privilege of being able to use your phone whilst aboard. Other than that, assuming the service was switched off, you are dependent upon being able to connect via a service providing tower. Fat/remote chance of that out in the Indian Ocean.

Line of sight transmission it's mainly the horizon and objects blocking the tower that determine the range. Cruising overhead at 30,000 feet is only really 10km away. But yeah not many towers in range in the Indian Ocean.

[Banditbandit]

Cellphones now ???

Isn't it about time this thread got dropped into Pointless drivel ???

Where's a mod when you need one ???

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Rjf7XesQwdU/hqdefault.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Or maybe it's just silly hats time ??

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0LHUu00vXqI/TbtC3RIiICI/AAAAAAAAAIk/2_ljfpIJ6a8/s1600/wedding+hat+7.jpg

[avgas]

Cellphones now ???

Isn't it about time this thread got dropped into Pointless drivel ???

Where's a mod when you need one ???
Nah you gotta talk about God to do that...... you don't think God took the plane do you?

[mashman]

Or maybe it's just silly hats time ??

WTF is wrong with you? Where are the lesbians?

[Banditbandit]

http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/attachments/musikk-generelt/233849d1387580967-hva-lytter-du-til-i-dag-del-3-lesbians-lesbian-ugly-demotivational-poster-1267460184.jpg

[mashman]

Ahhhhhhhhh my eyes

Sent from the ophthalmologists couch using breast braille

[Banditbandit]

I seem to remember you asked where they were - don't shoot the messenger ..

[Banditbandit]

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=qx9-nkOktVkifM&tbnid=O6T86j1o1tUt8M:&ved=0CAUQjBw4Pw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.chzbgr.com%2FmaxW500%2F7490801 664%2Fh3DE0042B%2F&ei=7q5MU-maAcqmkQXtroCYBg&psig=AFQjCNHJ73bpD-9op0Ev0SwYRAtpSX9y6w&ust=1397620846074238

[Woodman]

Nah you gotta talk about God to do that...... you don't think God took the plane do you?


Their is no such thing as god. also spelled there wrong.

[jonbuoy]

Cellphones now ???

Isn't it about time this thread got dropped into Pointless drivel ???

Where's a mod when you need one ???



Too many big words? Seeing how there is talk of the co-pilot attempting calls it seems relevant. Murder Suicide still looking likely. Who knows maybe it will be another Silk Air.

[YellowDog]

A tremendous amount of skill was used to hide this plane beyond it ever being found.

Mission Accomplished!

[mashman]

I seem to remember you asked where they were - don't shoot the messenger ..

Yes... something I'm regretting and yet a lesson learned the hard way (steady).

[R650R]

Now that the situation has reached a desperate turning point world leaders have swallowed their pride and called these guys out of retirement, they'll sort it :)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/02/article-2595042-1CC3DBCB00000578-920_964x753.jpg

[mashman]

Now that the situation has reached a desperate turning point world leaders have swallowed their pride and called these guys out of retirement, they'll sort it :)

Puppets turning to puppets for solutions. Something wrong there.

[YellowDog]

Puppets may well prove to be a relatively reliable option:

Did you see the story about the unmanned sub being sent down to locate the Black Box pings?

It took 2 hours to get to a depth of 4,500m only find that the safety protection system decided it was too deep and automatically returned it to the surface :yawn:

http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8830620/deep-water-stymies-mh370-search

[oldrider]

Chaos out of order ... momentarily a little curious and afraid ... back to order! :yawn: ... an aeroplane went missing you say. :confused:

[avgas]

Their is no such thing as god. also spelled there wrong.
Weir?
What if he existed and was on that plane? Now no-one will find him!

[YellowDog]

Chaos out of order ... momentarily a little curious and afraid ... back to order! :yawn: ... an aeroplane went missing you say. :confused:

A terrible tragedy. Innocent people perished at sea/air and friends and loved ones suffering horribly.

There suffering will be reduced once they find the flight recorder and black box to allow everyone to understand just what went wrong.

Apparently the black box emits a ping to facilitate its easy location.

Please be patient :(

[awa355]

Now that the situation has reached a desperate turning point world leaders have swallowed their pride and called these guys out of retirement, they'll sort it :)


Isn't one of this crew a blonde mermaid?? Name of Maria ? or was that a different show? Anyway, I hear this guy is also on his way.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Untitledpicture-11.png

[R650R]

It took 2 hours to get to a depth of 4,500m only find that the safety protection system decided it was too deep and automatically returned it to the surface :yawn:

http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8830620/deep-water-stymies-mh370-search

Translation:

"Abandon operation we have a problem. The studio hasn't finished CGI video of the wreck yet"

[ellipsis]

Isn't one of this crew a blonde mermaid?? Name of Maria ? or was that a different show? Anyway, I hear this guy is also on his way.




...you're thinking of Marina, from Stingray...but she could help too...

[oneofsix]

Isn't one of this crew a blonde mermaid?? Name of Maria ? or was that a different show?

do you mean this lot?
http://www.fab1.co.nz/Stingray_Crew.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111021012312/gerryanderson/images/a/ac/5915_1.jpg

[YellowDog]

Marina's pouting lips :drool:

Forgive me whilst I retire to beat my meat :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

Too many big words? Seeing how there is talk of the co-pilot attempting calls it seems relevant. Murder Suicide still looking likely. Who knows maybe it will be another Silk Air.

Relevant to what??? It's all bullshit speculation and rumours until they find the plane ... and like, that's ever going to happen. !!!

http://lisajennbigelow.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/sillyhats2.jpg

[awa355]

do you mean this lot?


Thats them,:niceone: they do underwater rescues dont they?

[YellowDog]

There's a few hundred individuals searching the ocean for a Black Box. How does 'Black Box' translate internationally?

No one can find it. They just keep coming across this annoying orange thingy that pings and interferes with their considerable listening and searching endeavours:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xffpAnQYt0A/T7MCGzkZaoI/AAAAAAAAEFI/MSD1jrAJ6VI/s1600/Black-Box.jpg

I once dated a West Indian lady who certainly did have a Black Box :lol:

[scrivy]

I once dated a West Indian lady who certainly did have a Black Box :lol:

Tasted like chicken, smelt like curry.... :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

I once dated a West Indian lady who certainly did have a Black Box :lol:

But ............. did it ping? :lol:

[scrivy]

But ............. did it ping? :lol:

Can't you fukn read?? He said Indian, not Asian..... :facepalm:

[Tigadee]

Now that the situation has reached a desperate turning point world leaders have swallowed their pride and called these guys out of retirement, they'll sort it

"Calling International Rescue! International Rescue, come in!"

[jonbuoy]

Relevant to what??? It's all bullshit speculation and rumours until they find the plane ... and like, that's ever going to happen. !!!

http://lisajennbigelow.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/sillyhats2.jpg

Relevant to a discussion on theories as to why it went missing.

[oldrider]

Can't you fukn read?? He said Indian, not Asian..... :facepalm:

Oh sorry, I'll try that again .................... but did it पिंग ? :lol:

[ellipsis]

...the incident is now receding into the mists of time...maybe as per plan or not...some good may yet come of it, this canadian bloke has a lot to answer for...what was he thinking...bastard...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9956308/CNNs-MH370-expert-sacked-over-bad-clothes

[oldrider]

...the incident is now receding into the mists of time...maybe as per plan or not...some good may yet come of it, this canadian bloke has a lot to answer for...what was he thinking...bastard...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9956308/CNNs-MH370-expert-sacked-over-bad-clothes

Book ... cover? ... What did he actually say or do that was wrong or inaproppriate?

The article wasn't very clear other than focussing on his appearance and tardiness, nothing to do with the issue of the missing plane!

Southpark has a different portrayal of Canadian attitudes and physical atributes, maybe they know a thing or two! :lol:

[ellipsis]

The article wasn't very clear, nothing to do with the issue of the missing plane!




...thats why its here...

[R650R]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/cnns-9-most-deplorable-flight-370-moments.html

[oldrider]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/cnns-9-most-deplorable-flight-370-moments.html

And all this time I thought that stuff was just cheapjack American attempts at comedy!

Are you trying to tell me that people really look at it and take it seriously? :confused::no::laugh:

[R650R]

I see the oil slick turned out to be another red herring....

[awa355]

I see the oil slick turned out to be another red herring....

Fish oil :oi-grr: I would imagine there is quite a bit of it out there.

[YellowDog]

I thought it ran out of fuel before going down, so there won't a great deal of fuel to see. I wouldn't have thought that the engine oil (if that's what jets use) would not be a significant enough in volume to show. Half a dozen cans of Castrol is nothing compared with the volume of the indian ocean :no:

There's a great chance that the plane will be found, the passengers will all still be alive, and this will all be sorted by this time next week.

Aliens whom abduct aircraft are pretty decent in that respect :yes:

[R650R]

I thought it ran out of fuel before going down, so there won't a great deal of fuel to see. I wouldn't have thought that the engine oil (if that's what jets use) would not be a significant enough in volume to show. Half a dozen cans of Castrol is nothing compared with the volume of the indian ocean yes:

You just caused me a great deal of googling.

It seems the jet turbines do use a quantity of oil to lube and cool the main turbine shaft via a heat exchanger, with anywhere from half to 8 gallons per engine.
I'd expect the landing gear would hold a quantity of hydraulic oil...

Wouldn't the on board life rafts be of the auto deploy inflate type? Surely they would be freed in an impact and have auto Epirbs too???

[scrivy]

There's a great chance that the plane will be found, the passengers will all still be alive, and this will all be sorted by this time next week.
Aliens whom abduct aircraft are pretty decent in that respect :yes:

Not from what I heard..... Gordie told me he was 'taken' a few years ago, lost all track of time, and woke up a day later with a sore head, and an even sorer asshole..... he had been out with Kickaha and said some of his 'Kens' had gone missing too.....

[oldrider]

Meanwhile somewhere on an ocean bed ... a little aeroplane waits! :weep:

[scrivy]

Finally, it's been found!!!

The latest NASA spacecraft found it sitting on the moon...... but as soon as they spotted it, they couldn't let others see it, so crashed their satellite into it....
http://rt.com/usa/nasa-ladee-moon-impact-468/

SO....... it is proof that Aliens took it.....

I so fucken knew it!!!

True....

Honest..... :innocent:


:shutup::facepalm:

[husaberg]

Finally, it's been found!!!

The latest NASA spacecraft found it sitting on the moon...... but as soon as they spotted it, they couldn't let others see it, so crashed their satellite into it....
http://rt.com/usa/nasa-ladee-moon-impact-468/

SO....... it is proof that Aliens took it.....

I so fucken knew it!!!

True....

Honest..... :innocent:
:facepalm::shutup:
f-ing rip off $280 million dollars and Black and white pictures:lol:

[scrivy]

f-ing rip off $280 million dollars and Black and white pictures:lol:

I hope for their sake of $280 mil, they got piccies of the Apollo LEM landing gear still on the moon surface...... :rolleyes::weird::killingme
Afterall, there are six Descent Stages still up there...... Apparantely.....

[husaberg]

I hope for their sake of $280 mil, they got piccies of the Apollo LEM landing gear still on the moon surface...... :rolleyes::weird::killingme
Afterall, there are six Descent Stages still up there...... Apparently.....


plus another 12 or so unmanned ones............

[scrivy]

plus another 12 or so unmanned ones............

Yip, but those didn't have men go up there in them.....
Remember, Man walked on the moon....... so show us the descent gear.... and I will believe them....

(Ok Ok.... I do believe they walked on the moon, but pics would be good too.... - just like footage of a 757 hitting the pentagon would be good too.....)

I will repent all my sins once I see proof........ :rolleyes:

Actually, I've got too many sins....... :no:

Ok, I'll stop spanking my monkey so much.....:shifty:

Er...

Hang about....

Negative.... I will stop bagging the US so much.... yeah, that's it........

[awa355]

If the plane ran out of fuel up in the air, what speed would that bulk be likely to hit the water at. Free falling?

If it glided down onto the sea in a crash landing style, then someone would have been controlling it.

If it was flying at 15,000 feet, then the engines cut out, it would then drop like a rock I'd imagine. The plane would surely tear to bits on impact.

What an horrific end to the lives of the passengers.

[scrivy]

If the plane ran out of fuel up in the air, what speed would that bulk be likely to hit the water at. Free falling?

If it glided down onto the sea in a crash landing style, then someone would have been controlling it.

If it was flying at 15,000 feet, then the engines cut out, it would then drop like a rock I'd imagine. The plane would surely tear to bits on impact.


If it was under the pilots control, when it did run out of gas, he knew he'd be fucked - in the middle of an empty ocean, no way to survive, so why would he do a controlled soft landing only to survive and be slaughtered by any surviving passengers.....?? Surely he wanted it to end asap? Nose dive in at max speed??

If he was dead/unconscious already, it would have run out of gas, pitched down, banked one way, then spiraled that way, nose diving into the ocean.......


OR.....

He could have parachuted out into an awaiting military vessel and vanished......;)

[Ocean1]

If the plane ran out of fuel up in the air, what speed would that bulk be likely to hit the water at. Free falling?

If it glided down onto the sea in a crash landing style, then someone would have been controlling it.

If it was flying at 15,000 feet, then the engines cut out, it would then drop like a rock I'd imagine. The plane would surely tear to bits on impact.

What an horrific end to the lives of the passengers.

Depends. :D

Apparently.

I was talking to someone who knows such stuff last week. Most of the critical instrumentation is battery backed-up but the control hydraulics are driven by the engines. But then apparently there's a propeller driven pump that deploys automatically when pressure drops for too long... et viola. :niceone:

In which case they can be glided, if there's a pilot in control. If not they auto-cycle up and down, velocity causing the nose to rise until they stall and pitch over into another dive. Likelihood in that case is a collision with the surface nearly perpendicular.

[Berries]

I was talking to someone who knows such stuff last week. Most of the critical instrumentation is battery backed-up but the control hydraulics are driven by the engines. But then apparently there's a propeller driven pump that deploys automatically when pressure drops for too long... et viola.
Now we're talking. A pressurized cabin and a propeller? This gets more and more like Thunderbirds. So they had a controlled landing on water, like the Hudson River jobbie, then when it sank to 20 fathoms the propeller kick started and off they chugged to port unknown.

[oldrider]

He could have parachuted out into an awaiting military vessel and vanished......;)

Where the fuck is MacGyver when you need him? ... Was there no Richard Dean Anderson on that fateful passenger list? :no:

[scrivy]

Where the fuck is MacGyver when you need him? ... Was there no Richard Dean Anderson on that fateful passenger list? :no:

Nope. But there was a Wichard Dea Anerson..... Chinese apparantely..........:shutup::facepalm:

[scrivy]

If not they auto-cycle up and down, velocity causing the nose to rise until they stall and pitch over into another dive. Likelihood in that case is a collision with the surface nearly perpendicular.

Sort of.....
There would be no way a plane would lose both engines at exactly the same time if running out of fuel. Therefore, with no pilot in control, the plane would yaw one way, bank and roll, then nose dive.... with the same results.....

[scrivy]

If not they auto-cycle up and down, velocity causing the nose to rise until they stall and pitch over into another dive.

Also only if the trims are set correctly for both low and high speed. Otherwise any slight roll or yaw input would cause the same effect as I mentioned above.

[R650R]

Turns out the plane was actually leased out to these guys, JPX freight. Officials now believe the plane may have landed at one of their freight only airports and stuck in the que...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5_YBDIdfUE

BTW if anyone can find the airplane hubcaps prank call, damn youtube taken it down... aka airplane graffiti :)

[R650R]

http://english.cntv.cn/2014/04/19/VIDE1397910313124224.shtml

"An investigation by Malaysian authorities also shows that none of the plane’s four Emergency Beacons sent back any signals. According to their design, the Emergency Beacon should have started working if the aircraft crashed or touched water."

[Ocean1]

yaw one way, bank and roll, then nose dive....

I can believe that, my KTM behaves exactly like that on one engine.

[Berries]

The plot thickens, or does it deepen?

MH370-may-have-landed-elsewhere-reports (http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/9970225/MH370-may-have-landed-elsewhere-reports)

[5150]

Wouldn't the on board life rafts be of the auto deploy inflate type? Surely they would be freed in an impact and have auto Epirbs too???

Its a plane not a fucking Titanic. There are no automatic self inflating liferafts on board. Only life vests under the seat and cusions for floatation devices.

[rustyrobot]

Its a plane not a fucking Titanic. There are no automatic self inflating liferafts on board. Only life vests under the seat and cusions for floatation devices.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-jet-equipped-four-life-rafts-1440316

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was equipped with four life rafts, enough to carry up to 290 people, and had sufficient stocks of food that would enable those on board the aircraft to survive for a week, said a representative of the airline.

[5150]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-jet-equipped-four-life-rafts-1440316

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was equipped with four life rafts, enough to carry up to 290 people, and had sufficient stocks of food that would enable those on board the aircraft to survive for a week, said a representative of the airline.

Ha. Proven wrong, I was. First to admit when I was wrong. (not often )

[nerrrd]

Where the fuck is MacGyver when you need him? ... Was there no Richard Dean Anderson on that fateful passenger list? :no:

Have you seen RDA lately? MacGyver is a distant memory, he's old, fat and happy now. Which is of course completely off topic.

[YellowDog]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-jet-equipped-four-life-rafts-1440316

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was equipped with four life rafts, enough to carry up to 290 people, and had sufficient stocks of food that would enable those on board the aircraft to survive for a week, said a representative of the airline.

Surely the food would last more than a week. Butcher all passengers above Premium Economy and then you'd double the food rations and also have plenty of fatty meat to last more than a month.

And what about looking through the Chinese passengers luggage? Nothing to declare - Yeah right!

In fact, I'm not almost certain that the passengers (Premium Economy and below) will be found fit and well any day now.

I bet some of them will actually be a few pounds heavier :woohoo:

[scrivy]

Its a plane not a fucking Titanic. There are no automatic self inflating liferafts on board. Only life vests under the seat and cusions for floatation devices.

As a post above says too, they are compulsory for any international flights overwater.

[Katman]

As a post above says too, they are compulsory for any international flights overwater.

We live in such a bubble wrap society.

[Tigadee]

We live in such a bubble wrap society.

Oh! I'll bet that's great floatation and maybe anti-shark material!! :eek: Just don't be tempted to start popping them! :lol:

[Laava]

Plane parts washing up on beaches near Perth now. Testing underway to see if it is Mh370.

[awa355]

As a post above says too, they are compulsory for any international flights overwater.

The lifeboats must fold up well, 290 into 4 goes about 72 in each, plus provisions. Would have to be a decent sized lifeboat. Mind you, the airline probably figure on losing a good number of passengers in the landing.

[FJRider]

The lifeboats must fold up well, 290 into 4 goes about 72 in each, plus provisions. Would have to be a decent sized lifeboat. Mind you, the airline probably figure on losing a good number of passengers in the landing.

I think they double as emergency slides in the event of wheels down emergency landings on tarmac ...

[5150]

I think they double as emergency slides in the event of wheels down emergency landings on tarmac ...

And that is exactly what I was thinking. With the weight and size of these things, when you consider that every gram and inch of space counts for performance loss.

[scrivy]

And that is exactly what I was thinking. With the weight and size of these things, when you consider that every gram and inch of space counts for performance loss.

There is alot of rules relating to liferafts on aircraft....
If the planes largest liferaft is to be rendered useless, then the remaining liferafts must be able to accommodate the passengers that the largest one would have carried too.....

It's called redundancy... its fortunately what aircraft have to do....

[Waihou Thumper]

I think they double as emergency slides in the event of wheels down emergency landings on tarmac ...

There are four dual lane slide rafts on a B777 from what I recall. They take approx 6-8 seconds to inflate.
In the event of a landing they are slides.
In the event of a ditching they are slide/rafts....
The thing is though, the rear doors may be under water, therefore the slides may not inflate. The crew will disarm doors and re-direct forward to other usable doors...

Of course this would only happen if everyone survived the ditching...

Door 1 65/81 (overload capacity)
Door 2 57/71
Door 3 51/63
Door 4 60/75

They are also equipped....

ELT i.e. Emergency Locater Transmitter.
Canopy
Survival Kit: First Aid Kit, flares, signal mirrors, sea dye marker, survival manual, flashlight, water, bailing bucket, sponge.
Manual Inflation Hand Pump. The valves are self-closing upon removal.

In a perfect world, the crew are trained, but like all things, the training happens in a artificial environment...
Even liferaft training is conducted in a heated pool....
The real world, sea sickness, dehydration and Hypothermia will be the killer...

I did my sea survival training in the RNZN in temperature of 9 Celsius, didn't last long at that temp, I can tell ya...

[scrivy]

In a perfect world, the crew are trained, but like all things, the training happens in a artificial environment...
Even liferaft training is conducted in a heated pool....
The real world, sea sickness, dehydration and Hypothermia will be the killer...


...and the biggest threat to passenger survival is the fact that the 'officials' find a way to disappear..... as in the Korean boat tragedy...

[R650R]

Never mind survivability, the fact is if that thing hit the water under anything less than ideal conditions it would break up. Surely at least one of the rafts and EPIRB components would have broken away and/or been activated by the water...

[FJRider]

I did my sea survival training in the RNZN in temperature of 9 Celsius, didn't last long at that temp, I can tell ya...[/I]

I was Army ... did water parachute jumps off Hobsonville ... mid winter as is the army way ...

Plus ditching practice in the (unheated) Hobsonville swimming pool ... (for the Air Dispatch course ... and also mid winter)

[YellowDog]

I was Army ... did water parachute jumps off Hobsonville ... mid winter as is the army way ...

Plus ditching practice in the (unheated) Hobsonville swimming pool ... (for the Air Dispatch course ... and also mid winter)

Sounds like that would have caused a severe case of 'Internal Willy' :lol:

[FJRider]

Sounds like that would have caused a severe case of 'Internal Willy' :lol:

I survived ..

[Waihou Thumper]

I was Army ... did water parachute jumps off Hobsonville ... mid winter as is the army way ...

Plus ditching practice in the (unheated) Hobsonville swimming pool ... (for the Air Dispatch course ... and also mid winter)


More of a matter of trying to find him...
One of our guys failed....Had a fear of heights! Would't jump off the bow of the Otago!

[FJRider]

More of a matter of trying to find him...
One of our guys failed....Had a fear of heights! Would't jump off the bow of the Otago!

In the event of it actually sinking ... it would be sensible to wait until the bow WAS at sea level ...

I jumped off the bow of the (old) Canterbury once, But it was off Singapore at the time ... warm as.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I survived ..

But did ya willy?

[FJRider]

But did ya willy?

I can assure you ... that full use was regained when I warmed up. But thank you for your ... um :scratch: ... concern ... :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can assure you ... that full use was regained when I warmed up. But thank you for your ... um :scratch: ... concern ... :whistle:

Lol. I'd say "my pleasure"...but then that'd sound well wrong.

[FJRider]

Lol. I'd say "my pleasure"...but then that'd sound well wrong.

Katman recently instructed me (twice) to go fuck myself ... so he at least ... has confidence in it's full use ... ;)

[Katman]

Katman recently instructed me (twice) to go fuck myself ... so he at least ... has confidence in it's full use ... ;)

Don't go thinking you're special or anything.

[mashman]

Nope, sorry, we think it's over here as these bits look remarkably plane like, like (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/23078186/firm-says-finds-plane-debris-in-bay-of-bengal-cnn/)

[Banditbandit]

They seek him here,
They seek him there,
Those people seek him everywhere,
Is he is heaven? Or is he in hell?
That demmed elusive Flight MH370

[oldrider]

Nope, sorry, we think it's over here as these bits look remarkably plane like, like (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/23078186/firm-says-finds-plane-debris-in-bay-of-bengal-cnn/)

"Everything" should be checked out and positively cleared yes or no FFS! :shifty:

[James Deuce]

Labour did it.

[mashman]

"Everything" should be checked out and positively cleared yes or no FFS! :shifty:

Yes... but only if it isn't the wreckage of the missing plane, coz that would mean that billions of $ have been wasted looking in the wrong place using the best technology and the greatest minds that mankind has to offer.

[oldrider]

Yes... but only if it isn't the wreckage of the missing plane, coz that would mean that billions of $ have been wasted looking in the wrong place using the best technology and the greatest minds that mankind has to offer.

Sure seems like that doesn't it! :shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm surprised the Yanks haven't used it as an excuse to invade a few more countries! "Hey don't mind us...we're looking for weapons of mass desertion!"

[mashman]

Sure seems like that doesn't it! :shifty:

Oh, in which case, no to checking everything out first. We need better tech as the machine simply wasn't up to the task.

[Banditbandit]

'T'was Aliens I tell ya



Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said military radar detected an UFO in an area in the northern Malacca Strait at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday about an hour after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens.



http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2014/03/ufo-sighted-after-malaysian-flight.html

[R650R]

I'm surprised the Yanks haven't used it as an excuse to invade a few more countries! "Hey don't mind us...we're looking for weapons of mass desertion!"

I think you'll find that's the reason they (special ops) took it in the first place but their spraypaint shop was all out of Iranian flag colours...

[pete376403]

There was an interview on radioNZ (nine to noon Wednesday april 4) with a Seattle based company that found the black (orange) box from the Air France airbus that crashed mid-atlantic. They were saying that the equipment they have, ready to go, is suited for searching at the 5km depths that MH370 is thought to be at, yet at the time of the interview, they were still waiting for the call. Meanwhile the submersible that IS being used is right at the limits of range. do they want this thing found or not?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2591984/fears-mh370-black-box-batteries-have-died

[YellowDog]

Please spare a thought for the man who told his wife he was going on a business trip to China on that Malaysian Airlines Flight No MH370, and now can't come out of his girlfriend's flat :o

[Tigadee]

Have you seen RDA lately? MacGyver is a distant memory, he's old, fat and happy now. Which is of course completely off topic.

Watch Burn Notice, new RDA there... Guns involved though.


'T'was Aliens I tell ya

+1

That or the CIA shot it down (Edward Snowden was on the plane in disguise travelling to China, I tells ya!) and have now diverted all the world's attention and resources to the wrong place on some wild goose chase.

[oldrider]

There was an interview on radioNZ (nine to noon Wednesday april 4) with a Seattle based company that found the black (orange) box from the Air France airbus that crashed mid-atlantic. They were saying that the equipment they have, ready to go, is suited for searching at the 5km depths that MH370 is thought to be at, yet at the time of the interview, they were still waiting for the call. Meanwhile the submersible that IS being used is right at the limits of range. do they want this thing found or not?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2591984/fears-mh370-black-box-batteries-have-died

There certainly is getting to be a peculiar kind of smell wafting around this situation! :shifty:


Please spare a thought for the man who told his wife he was going on a business trip to China on that Malaysian Airlines Flight No MH370, and now can't come out of his girlfriend's flat :o

My subconcious reaction to this little suggested scenario worries me! :Oops: .... A lot! :lol:

[scrivy]

FFS... now it's terrorists.....
http://nypost.com/2014/05/03/11-terrorists-arrested-in-connection-to-missing-jet/

So...... it's now becoming highly obvious that the US has had a roll in this.....
Who else sponsors terrorists as much as the US?

[scrivy]

Hang about... found it!!

[Berries]

FFS... now it's terrorists....
It always was.

[R650R]

More diversionary BS... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

Having collected and dropped off many international freight consignments I can assure you the paper trail is huge and nothing gets on without being manifested or documented.
Especially a couple of tonnes of extra freight as weight is where they make their money. Anything not manifested means the airline/freight forwarders wouldn't get paid.
Hazardous goods like batteries would be a separate consignment, not packed in with a heap of other freight making emergency /inspection access difficult.

[scrivy]

Having collected and dropped off many international freight consignments I can assure you the paper trail is huge and nothing gets on without being manifested or documented.
Especially a couple of tonnes of extra freight as weight is where they make their money. Anything not manifested means the airline/freight forwarders wouldn't get paid.
Hazardous goods like batteries would be a separate consignment, not packed in with a heap of other freight making emergency /inspection access difficult.

You're spot on!

[Katman]

More diversionary BS... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html


"Airline has admitted 200kg of lithium batteries was among the items"

It would appear that Ed has some explaining to do.

[YellowDog]

"Airline has admitted 200kg of lithium batteries was among the items"

It would appear that Ed has some explaining to do.

Nothing to worry about there: Lithium batteries are just fine. Just so long as they don't get bumped around :shit:

I am amazed over just how many fell for the "The plane changed course" scam :lol:

[scrivy]

MSM moved onto something new.....

Still lurking somewhere......................................... ..........:sherlock:

[mashman]

MSM moved onto something new.....

Still lurking somewhere......................................... ..........:sherlock:

They'ze sayin' it's maybe been shot down, maybe, by accident, innit.

[scrivy]

They'ze sayin' it's maybe been shot down, maybe, by accident, innit.

There's a book out about it already!

He says this raises the significance that around the time the plane's transponder went off at 01.21, New Zealander Mike McKay, working on an oil rig in the Gulf of Thailand, saw a burning plane. He links that to the joint Thai-US military exercise going on in the South China Sea with personnel from China, Japan, Indonesia and other countries.

''The drill was to involve mock warfare on land, in water and in the air, and would include live-fire exercises,'' he writes.

''Say a participant accidentally shot down Flight MH370. Such things do happen. No one wants another Lockerbie [Pan Am flight 103 by terrorists in 1988 allegedly in retaliation for a US Navy strike on an Iranian commercial jet six months earlier], so those involved would have every reason to keep quiet about it.''

He suggests through anonymous and contradictory sources, they might release misinformation, leading people to search in the wrong place in an environment so hostile that it would be unlikely anything would ever be found.

''After all, no wreckage has been found in the south Indian Ocean, which in itself is suspicious,'' Cawthorne writes.

''Now I'm not saying that's what happened but if a black box is found, who is to say that it is from Flight MH370? Another black box could have been dropped in the sea 1000 miles from Perth while the search was going on in the South China Sea. In these circumstances, with the amount of disinformation abroad, it is best to be sceptical.''


Hmm......

[YellowDog]

They'ze sayin' it's maybe been shot down, maybe, by accident, innit.

Just so long as it was 'Friendly Fire', it's OK :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

The adage (Old saying) comes to mind: "Fact is often stranger than fiction" ... nothing should surprise us any more! :no:

[YellowDog]

The adage (Old saying) comes to mind: "Fact is often stranger than fiction" ... nothing should surprise us any more! :no:

You can't beat testing on live targets to get truly accurate data back.

The next generation of weapons will now be soooo much better!

It's reassuring to know that 239 people didn't lose their life for no good reason.

[scrivy]

You can't beat testing on live targets to get truly accurate data back.

The next generation of weapons will now be soooo much better!

It's reassuring to know that 239 people didn't lose their life for no good reason.


They've done it before.............
Watch this movie: http://putlocker.bz/watch-twa-flight-800-online-free-putlocker.html

Its an eye opener! I wouldn't be surprised if it was true!

[avgas]

There was an interview on radioNZ (nine to noon Wednesday april 4) with a Seattle based company that found the black (orange) box from the Air France airbus that crashed mid-atlantic. They were saying that the equipment they have, ready to go, is suited for searching at the 5km depths that MH370 is thought to be at, yet at the time of the interview, they were still waiting for the call. Meanwhile the submersible that IS being used is right at the limits of range. do they want this thing found or not?
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2591984/fears-mh370-black-box-batteries-have-died
Simply put. No.

Process to find something:
- Find out where it last was?
- Find out where it was going?
- Confirm it was going where it was going?
- Look where people tell you they last saw it.

They new it left Malaysia
They thought it was going north.

So everyone jump in the water and let see what is north of Malaysia.

Oh wait - there is more information you say? Now it's south?

The telemetry systems on those birds is better that what most think. If there is data that shows an engine running for 5 hours. It ran for 5 hours.

They don't want to find the plane.

[YellowDog]

Simply put. No.

Process to find something:
- Find out where it last was?
- Find out where it was going?
- Confirm it was going where it was going?
- Look where people tell you they last saw it.

They new it left Malaysia
They thought it was going north.

So everyone jump in the water and let see what is north of Malaysia.

Oh wait - there is more information you say? Now it's south?

The telemetry systems on those birds is better that what most think. If there is data that shows an engine running for 5 hours. It ran for 5 hours.

They don't want to find the plane.

There was a Kiwi guy on an oil platform who was interviewed on the news saying that he saw the plane flying over and it was on fire.

Oh, wait a minute...... he wasn't supposed to see that...................

We can spot an ant shagging a ladybird from space, but we can't see what happened to a 777 that was sitting on radar screens before disappearing and now we have no record of where it might have gone.

It's all Bull Shit :yes:

[Kickaha]

It's all Bull Shit :yes:
No, It's just stupid people who think in this age of technology that everything is tracked 24/7 and nothing can get lost or go misssing

[Paul in NZ]

We can spot an ant shagging a ladybird from space, but we can't see what happened to a 777 that was sitting on radar screens before disappearing and now we have no record of where it might have gone.

It's all Bull Shit :yes:

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

[oldrider]

It's all Bull Shit :yes:

Certainly not a good look about it ... hard to accept! :confused:

[Swoop]

They still have not found the missing plane MH370. That said, it took the US 10 years, trillions of dollars, thousands of soldiers' lives, and state of the art technology to finally find Bin Laden ...
In his house.

So has anyone checked Kuala Lumpur airport yet?

[scrivy]

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

But... but...but.... On Person of interest they can....... that's not a movie... :facepalm:

[kevfromcoro]

They are bringing out a movie on the missing plane.
Think its a bit premature..
dunno how its going to end....
Cose they haven't found the fukn thing yet..

[oneofsix]

They are bringing out a movie on the missing plane.
Think its a bit premature..
dunno how its going to end....
Cose they haven't found the fukn thing yet..

best option, then you can make the ending anything you like, such as it landing on the moon.

[YellowDog]

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

[Paul in NZ]

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

Oh you may well be right but on the other hand don't assume for a second that technology can cover every aircraft everywhere all at once. Tracking one aircraft picked a head of time sure. However there are systems to alert unusual 'patterns' but not in that part of the globe apparently.

Its a blimmin strange one...

[awa355]

Joking aside, I believe that a great deal of skill and expertise was used to hide this plane so it will not ever be found.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

You certainly would not want to know someone or be acquainted with someone with a loved one on board.

It would be a tragic indicment of humanity, if so many innocent lives were lost and families devastated just so one group could prove an advanced technical development works. Still, its been done before.

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

[scrivy]

It was used in a "Philadelphia experiment"........
It will beam back into a skyscraper somewhere........ ;)

[Katman]

It would be a tragic indicment of humanity, if so many innocent lives were lost and families devastated just so one group could prove an advanced technical development works. Still, its been done before.

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

Hey, there's still people stupid enough to think that nothing untoward happened on 9/11. (Other than a couple of planes hitting some buildings).

There's a good chance that the vast majority of people will blindly accept anything that the authorities tell them about a missing plane.

[avgas]

Big difference. If you say "I'm standing on the corner of Manners and Taranaki street and I'm reading a news paper can you see the headline? The answer is - yes I can...

If you ask 'can you track every commercial airliner currently flying and monitor where its going' the answer is no I can't.

I've had a little to do with biometrics like facial recognition and its a similar problem. If say you have a company with 100 office staff and you want door access you have a data base off 100 and so you compare a face in the camera to the dataset of 100 staff. Relatively easy to do. Scanning a football stadium (say 40,000 faces) for all known criminals on your database? Thats almost impossible. Scanning for 1 known face in the 40,000 is nearly doable but.... not a list of all the known criminal faces in a sample that big.

Yes I know they can in the movies but...
Data can produce gold or bullshit. You need the right data, in a clear form to make the right conclusion.
In your case - reading a face is difficult. It is the wrong information, but reading rfid is not so much. So using your 100 people in a building, it's a piece of cake (relatively - actually its fucking difficult, but easier than reading a face).
Many biometric solutions fail because its not a static metric.......its dynamic, it's analog. Someone could punch you in the face and facial recognition suddenly has to have another algorithm to deal with.

But these planes did have metrics that told people it was flying.
The GE had built in monitoring telemetry (remote monitoring of items) to report back engine status (broadcast report not polled).
These reports it showing the engines RUNNING for 5 hours.
Additional to this, the emergency devices have a report-by-exception action on trigger.

So the facts from data we have, that are know is:
- Engines ran for 5 hours
- Emergency Beacons did not fire, or activated - but were unable to report (radio signal problem).

We don't know if the engines stopped (signal lost). Or why they stopped (failure or disengaged). Either signals never made it home.

So no, this problem is completely different to yours - in this one the problem isn't using a satellite to spot something, like a person in a crowd. But more which way did they go? Where do we expect them to be?

edit: so in conclusion.....they are not looking. They aren't looking at the data - or even releasing the data for others to look at.

[YellowDog]

It would be a tragic indicment of humanity, if so many innocent lives were lost and families devastated just so one group could prove an advanced technical development works. Still, its been done before.

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

I think the problem is how do we decide who is a Goodie and who is a Baddie. Also, which one of those 2 sides are we and out allies on?

[scrivy]

I think the problem is how do we decide who is a Goodie and who is a Baddie. Also, which one of those 2 sides are we and out allies on?

Don't know if it'll matter who's ya allies.... but we are trading with both main players......
One in our own currencies now........ :shifty:

I'm surprised the yanks didn't take an Air New Zealand plane for a mystery holiday..... in retaliation for us signing the deal with China....

[R650R]

Don't know if it'll matter who's ya allies.... but we are trading with both main players......
One in our own currencies now........ :shifty:

I'm surprised the yanks didn't take an Air New Zealand plane for a mystery holiday..... in retaliation for us signing the deal with China....

Well they did have that 'maintainance issue" back around then in the era of Herr Clark with parts falling off over Manakau and Mangere...

And from someone reputable http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632447/CIA-knows-missing-Flight-MH370-says-former-Malaysian-PM-Dr-Mahathir.html


Missing Flight MH370 did not crash and its current whereabouts may be know to the Central Intelligence Agency and the Boeing aircraft company, Malaysia's influential former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad has claimed.

Dr Mahathir said the plane could have been switched onto autopilot remotely by the CIA if it had been hijacked.


'Remotely by radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of the flight deck,' he wrote in an entry entitled 'What goes up must come down' on his blog


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632447/CIA-knows-missing-Flight-MH370-says-former-Malaysian-PM-Dr-Mahathir.html#ixzz32Jvrido1
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[scrivy]

Missing Flight MH370 did not crash and its current whereabouts may be know to the Central Intelligence Agency and the Boeing aircraft company, Malaysia's influential former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad has claimed.
Dr Mahathir said the plane could have been switched onto autopilot remotely by the CIA if it had been hijacked.


Well, the CIA have been known to do a few false flags......
Iran bombings in the 50's,
Italian terror bombings,
Let Osama escape Afghanistan so they could prolong the 'War on Terror",
Anthrax attacks - with an anthrax strain from a top US Bio-weapons facility, (Top staff taking the anti-anthrax' medicine before the attacks happened,
Gulf of Tonkin incident,
Etc.... etc...

[Woodman]

Hey, there's still people stupid enough to think that nothing untoward happened on 9/11. (Other than a couple of planes hitting some buildings).

There's a good chance that the vast majority of people will blindly accept anything that the authorities tell them about a missing plane.

Well duh!!! I think everyone knows it wasn't an accident.:brick:

[Ocean1]

Are there still ' Goodies and Baddies ', I doubt it.

What makes you think there ever was?

Only distance makes stuff so black and white.

[Katman]

Well duh!!! I think everyone knows it wasn't an accident.:brick:

And those same people will happily swallow the story that Building 7 collapsed in the manner it did due to minor office fires.

[YellowDog]

And those same people will happily swallow the story that Building 7 collapsed in the manner it did due to minor office fires.

I just think that the evidence is so frightening, as to what might have actually been behind it all, that it is easier to blank it out and accept the story.

That's all assuming that you want to live, rather than have your faked suicide explained with phoney bank records and memberships of extremist religious groups.

Edward Snowden for President!

[Katman]

I just think that the evidence is so frightening, as to what might have actually been behind it all, that it is easier to blank it out and accept the story.


Yes, I believe that the main reason so many people are so dismissive of any alternative theory is that they are frightened of accepting the full enormity of the crime that was perpetrated on the American people that day.

On top of that, they have been spouting the official story for so long they are scared of being made to look stupid by actually sitting back and examining the facts in front of them.

[testastretta]

Minor office fires?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542

[Katman]

Minor office fires?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542

Exactly - minor office fires.

[R650R]

Edward Snowden for President!

He's a phony set up as our saviour. None of the info released has been new stuff that wasn't already available with a bit of research... And just like the 'truther' sites there's one country that comes out squeaky clean still after all his 'leaks', and it aint the USA either...
Yep something shady happened on 911 and on previous occasions but none of the big alternative sites ever cover the full story and the 'who did it' properly.

[Woodman]

And those same people will happily swallow the story that Building 7 collapsed in the manner it did due to minor office fires.

Oh is that right? Personally can't speak for all of them but if you want to generalise then ..................

[awa355]

Why doesn't this theory surprise me?

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/23647945/mh370-may-have-been-shot-down-by-mistake-during-military-operation/

Very similar to the 747 that got shot down over the sea of Japan a few years ago. The Americans learnt a hell'va lot about the Russian air response capabilities from that incident.

[400sm]

And those same people will happily swallow the story that Building 7 collapsed in the manner it did due to minor office fires.
Yes, it does seem like many NY buildings had a penchant for catching fire and collapsing with precision, that day.

[scrivy]

Yes, it does seem like many NY buildings had a penchant for catching fire and collapsing with precision, that day.

Yip! Controlled precision......

"Minor fires" or raging fires, still doesn't explain why the building collapsed, and why it collapsed at free-fall speed.

And what's more, it doesn't explain why the BBC reported that the building had collapsed long before it actually had - scripted anyone???

[Kickaha]

And what's more, it doesn't explain why the BBC reported that the building had collapsed long before it actually had - scripted anyone???

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

[R650R]

...would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

Firstly the networks are all "owned" and even the BBC's "neutrality" has been shown to be anything but in recent times...
And the way Black Ops work is they have people in all the right places before anything ever happens anyway. Any organisation with any influence will have been infiltrated with someone getting a second paycheck in a kind of reverse sleeper cell arrangement... This book explains it well http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Team-Allies-Control/dp/B006PJ3UYI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1400667501&sr=8-5&keywords=the+secret+team+l+fletcher+prouty

A book so revealing when published in the 70's the CIA bought every copy so no one could read it...

http://www.hermes-press.com/secretteam.jpg

[scrivy]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCO6eUslY4
Apparantely the information just comes out of left field.....:lol: (2:00 in) or was pre-scripted more like it.... :niceone:


Or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

So in answer to your question..... Yip, I'm thick as...... :rolleyes::bleh:

[Woodman]

And yet after all this time not one person has ever come forward and admitted a part in the 9/11 conspiracy.

[R650R]

And yet after all this time not one person has ever come forward and admitted a part in the 9/11 conspiracy.

Couple of suspects/witnesses have done strange things like throw themselves off balconeys with their hands tied behind their backs after shooting themselves in back of head.
Generalising there but been some dodgy happenings. Will be just like JFK where over 400 witnesses ended up dying early in suspicious ways well above the demographic stats for their age/risk groups etc...

[scrivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDxXaiFpe-U

Hmmmm....

[scrivy]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

That's a bit like saying John Key didn't have a breakfast date and personal phone call with Ian Fletcher before he got the GCSB job..... ooops.... he did.....

He's a fucking stupid git also..... :lol::bleh:

Oh, and then there's Banksie.... No, it was an anonymous donation...... it wasn't from Kim Dumpcum.....

Media, politicians etc, etc, all lie to you to make you think they're good c@nts....

[400sm]

JFK: If l were Oswald, l would have boasted that l had shot the most famous man on the planet. Instead l said I was framed ? . . Patsy. .

[scrivy]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

So is that like the Syrian gas attack - that just happened to be when inspectors were visiting???
Isn't the US against Terrorism?? That's what they have decreed to the whole world.... but hang about, they're supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels....... Well fuck me..... I guess they actually help the terrorists afterall...... pulling the wool dude.....

Or, do you think the US had no dealings with the Ukraine fiasco? Do you honestly think that Ukraine had a duly elected government?? Without the US involvement??

Dude, if you believe the MSM, you'll believe anything....... I switched off MSM yonks ago....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxLGOxkWs0
But wait.... they're CNN for fucks sake.. they're as honest as John Key..... oh wait, my bad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=p54hHhlLjRk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p54hHhlLjRk)
Oh, what about BBC too..........

All fucken liars Kick.

[scrivy]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

Or that they could be so fucken stupid to try to cover up what is abundantly clear to see as their financial gains for their corporate war machine.
http://www.911truth.org/the-top-40-reasons-to-doubt-the-offical-story/

Here's at least 40 reasons to doubt your honest belief in the government.

[scrivy]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh_J2MKhszk
Or that they could even "pull" a building at a few minutes notice, without spending weeks lacing the building with explosives...... That was truly a genius's plan...... :rolleyes:

Oh, but wait, if you are gullible now, I'll throw in one more cunning plan for free......
How did the firemen and police on that morning know there were "bombs" in the building, or even that they were about to go off??
Hang on, how did bombs get into the WTC7?? Well fuck me, didn't WTC7 house the IRS Regional Council, the CIA and US Secret Service?? Wouldn't security be paramount?? Exactly how many lives were lost in that building housing those important people........???

It was the first ever documented highrise to fall due to fire - impressed?
It wasn't even mentioned at all in the 9/11 commission report - oversight much??

So, I'll ask you Kick, why did the MSM not pick this can of worms up and run with it??
BECAUSE THEY ARE OWNED BY CORPORATES GETTING BACKHANDERS......

[Banditbandit]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid

- For What It's Worth - Buffalo Springfield


So what ??? If the conspiracy theories are all correct - so fucking what ???

How does that make today any different? We still get up, eat, so to work, drink coffee, have sex (well some of us) .. kiss out children ... Does worrying about conspiracies and shit make the sex any better? The food taste better? The children more beautiful?? NO .. so fuck it ..

I just refuse to live my live thinking about such shit - it has no impact on me at all ...

Why do some of you waste your fucking time and effort worrying about shit you have no real knowledge of and no real control over anyway ... You do not need to know all this shit to NOT get sucked into the system ..

In a way you are sucked in because you are engaging with it all ... their shit takes up room in your head (and you don't even get to charge them rent) .. they have a major impact on your lives when you don't want them too ... so just let it go ... it's saner and freer ..

Stay out of sight - Stay free

[Katman]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think any one that could pull something like this off would pre script something so critical and hand it out to a televison network :facepalm:

There must be something in Taupo's water supply that enhances one's bullshit detector.

[Katman]

So what ??? If the conspiracy theories are all correct - so fucking what ???


The stupidity of that comment is truly outstanding.

[scrivy]

So what ???

I just refuse to live my live thinking about such shit - it has no impact on me at all ...

Stay out of sight - Stay free

Each unto their own.....
I guess the millions of people that died in the wars had every faith and trust in their respective governments doing the right thing eh...? Must have?? They wouldn't have staged a false war to end up killing our own citizens....???

If we believe whole heartedly everything they preach, we just succumb to their tyrannical rule.

We find even our fat cat pollies lying time and time again. Should we allow the fuckers to cheat us for their own gain, or do we stand up for ourselves?
I mean, did Judith Collins just happen to have a chance encounter with Oravida?? Yeah right. The bitch has made money from her position of power.... Should we just let her roll on, or hang her from the Beehive rafters??
John Key's happy to have drones kill innocent people because the US say its fine to. Let's see how this one pans out in international courts......

Seriously, the more we let them lie to us, the less freedom, rights and priviledges we will have. So yeah, that does affect me, and my children. And yes, it does get me hot under the collar.

[oldrider]

So what ??? If the conspiracy theories are all correct - so fucking what ???

How does that make today any different? We still get up, eat, so to work, drink coffee, have sex (well some of us) .. kiss out children ... Does worrying about conspiracies and shit make the sex any better? The food taste better? The children more beautiful?? NO .. so fuck it ..

I just refuse to live my live thinking about such shit - it has no impact on me at all ...

Why do some of you waste your fucking time and effort worrying about shit you have no real knowledge of and no real control over anyway ... You do not need to know all this shit to NOT get sucked into the system ..

In a way you are sucked in because you are engaging with it all ... their shit takes up room in your head (and you don't even get to charge them rent) .. they have a major impact on your lives when you don't want them too ... so just let it go ... it's saner and freer ..

Stay out of sight - Stay free

True! Clean over the heads of the wannabe conspiracy believers ... until absolutely proved it's all in your own heads, a choice you make yourselves!

Funny thing is what you think makes no difference except to yourself! :rolleyes: Have to agree that there is some wierd shit going on out there though! :yes:

[Banditbandit]

Each unto their own.....
I guess the millions of people that died in the wars had every faith and trust in their respective governments doing the right thing eh...? Must have??

Yeah - and sometimes they were wrong ... (See, for instance, the war to end all wars .. )


They wouldn't have staged a false war to end up killing our own citizens....???

Probably not ..


If we believe whole heartedly everything they preach, we just succumb to their tyrannical rule.

I agree - who said I believed their bullshit - I just refuse to give it space in my head .. along with the conspiracy theories too - pay rent or leave ...


We find even our fat cat pollies lying time and time again. Should we allow the fuckers to cheat us for their own gain, or do we stand up for ourselves?
I mean, did Judith Collins just happen to have a chance encounter with Oravida?? Yeah right. The bitch has made money from her position of power.... Should we just let her roll on, or hang her from the Beehive rafters??
John Key's happy to have drones kill innocent people because the US say its fine to. Let's see how this one pans out in international courts......


None of those are conspiracy theories ...


Seriously, the more we let them lie to us, the less freedom, rights and priviledges we will have. So yeah, that does affect me, and my children. And yes, it does get me hot under the collar.

I was once then same .. now I just let it all slide ... there are more important things to worry about than lying politicians - they all do it - show me an honest politicians and I'll show you a dead one !!! we just swap one bunch of liars for another bunch of liars ... to what purpose ?? When it comes to attacks on our freedoms and that shit - then yes, I'm there . When it comes to who is lying and which bunch of spooks are fucking another bunch of spooks ?? Forget it ..


True! Clean over the heads of the wannabe conspiracy believers ... until absolutely proved it's all in your own heads, a choice you make yourselves!

Funny thing is what you think makes no difference except to yourself! :rolleyes: Have to agree that there is some wierd shit going on out there though! :yes:

Yeah .. but there's always been weird shit going on ..

[mashman]

Why do some of you waste your fucking time and effort worrying about shit you have no real knowledge of and no real control over anyway ...

Because it's important for future generations to realise what they're up against coz you old cunts decided to ignore the issue and leave it to the next generation to suffer/fight/whinge about etc...

[Katman]

I was once then same .. now I just let it all slide ... there are more important things to worry about than lying politicians....

Governments love people like you - particularly corrupt ones.

[Banditbandit]

Because it's important for future generations to realise what they're up against coz you old cunts decided to ignore the issue and leave it to the next generation to suffer/fight/whinge about etc...

Yeah ... that's why GodZone is a nuclear-free zone - since which generation ??? (And a few other things ... )

And I didn't see you amongst these old cunts who made a move on the Waihopai Spy Base

http://wagingnonviolence.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/waihopai-ploughshares.jpg

Were you even here in 1981?

http://www.emergency.co.nz/archive/springbok1.JPG


How about more recently?

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1365325715/304/8520304.jpg

There's more to worry about than the fucking conspiracy theory shit - real shit - shit that affects us all .. why is everyone so fucking worried about the conspiracy shit ?

Or are you just a keyboard warrior like the rest?


Governments love people like you - particularly corrupt ones.

You just don't get it at all - you just pull out wanky knee-jerk reactions ..

[5150]

Interresting read. and another possibility for the dissapearance

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10711590/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Cairo-777-cockpit-fire-could-yield-clues-to-missing-plane.html

[YellowDog]

Interresting read. and another possibility for the dissapearance

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10711590/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Cairo-777-cockpit-fire-could-yield-clues-to-missing-plane.html

Problem solved again - yay - Also explains the televised recording of the oil rig worker seeing the plane flying over and also on fire.

Suggest they interview him again and also check surveillance footage to get the actual course so they can get a better idea where t went down.

Good time to get into the "Hire me, I search for ocean debris" business.

[mashman]

Yeah ... that's why GodZone is a nuclear-free zone - since which generation ??? (And a few other things ... )

And I didn't see you amongst these old cunts who made a move on the Waihopai Spy Base

Were you even here in 1981?

How about more recently?

There's more to worry about than the fucking conspiracy theory shit - real shit - shit that affects us all .. why is everyone so fucking worried about the conspiracy shit ?

Or are you just a keyboard warrior like the rest?

Why should I care about living in a nuclear free country?
Why should I care that we're being spied upon?
Why should I care that the white mother fuckers fucked the African continent?
Why should I care about raping the land for profit?

Have you ever suffered irradiation poisoning?
Have you ever been intruded upon without knowing it?
WTF does Africa have to do with NZ?
How has mining impacted upon your life?

If conspiracy shit should be brushed aside on the basis that it's donned the conspiracy tin foil hat, then you will end up in a country that has nuclear power, you will be spied upon, you will allow your country to be run by your inferiors, you will allow rape of the land for profit etc... It's all a part of the same bag, differentiating importance based on attributed credibility is akin to being offered death by bullet or alien kiss. Ain't no diff, you're gonna be dead.

blah blah blah your penis is bigger than mine and you are faster than me on a motorbike, your wife is hotter than mine, your kids are better than mine in every way, your shit smells sweeter than any of ours does, oh you are the man.

Keyboard warrior, yup, at the moment that is exactly what I am.

[scrivy]

I was once then same .. now I just let it all slide ...

That's what some of the residents of Brunei thought too.... until they got Sharia law imposed on them.... feel sorry for those opposed to it....

Then in the very near future there's parts of Europe about to ask for the same treatment....
Maybe the inhabitants there shouldn't care also, and fuck 'em, just stone them to death, or cut there hands off....??

All I'm saying is there are reasons to question authority......

[scrivy]

blah blah blah your penis is bigger than mine (kinky c@nts - you been measuring up??) and you are faster than me on a motorbike (what laptimes you do?), your wife is hotter than mine (she spending too much time in the kitchen??), your kids are better than mine in every way, your shit smells sweeter (fecalphilliac?) than any of ours does, oh you are the man.

Keyboard warrior, yup, at the moment that is exactly what i am.

lol!! .

[oldrider]

That's what some of the residents of Brunei thought too.... until they got Sharia law imposed on them.... feel sorry for those opposed to it....

Then in the very near future there's parts of Europe about to ask for the same treatment....
Maybe the inhabitants there shouldn't care also, and fuck 'em, just stone them to death, or cut there hands off....??

All I'm saying is there are reasons to question authority......

Like this ORT teacher did in Israel despite the wonderful advertising in the video:http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/oppression-consensus-israeli-democracy.html

Democracy is often never what it seems up front but don't lose any sleep over it. :sleep:

[R650R]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130723292]
There's more to worry about than the fucking conspiracy theory shit - real shit - shit that affects us all .. why is everyone so fucking worried about the conspiracy shit ?
[QUOTE]

Well its because the bigger picture that every false flag op is moving us toward. The info is freely available in studies by various NGO 'thinktanks' that shows the end goal is a borderless world with one currency and one very low wage for the 90%. Yes its not worth losing sleep over built its good to be aware lest you get caught up in it.
I remember back in my cadet days when they were seeking volunteers to be pretend rioters for an army exercise on Napier streets, it got canned in the end but what might have happened there...
Could have ended up being set up like those british muslims who were probably conned into participating in a"security exercise"on the tube system. "Here's a 200GBP for the day to wear this backpack, don't open it, theres sensitive tracking gear to monitor how good the team is progressing etc"...
Oh well enjoy your train ride to the 'vaccination centre' when the pandemic breaks out/released...

[Katman]

I remember back in my cadet days when they were seeking volunteers to be pretend rioters for an army exercise on Napier streets, it got canned in the end but what might have happened there...


You only have to look at the number of governments around the world who are introducing laws to restrict people's right to lawful protest - including our own and Australia's.

Clearly governments are attempting a move towards worldwide total state control.

People like Banditbandit will happily sit back and allow it to happen.

[oneofsix]

You only have to look at the number of governments around the world who are introducing laws to restrict people's right to lawful protest - including our own and Australia's.

Clearly governments are attempting a move towards worldwide total state control.

People like Banditbandit will happily sit back and allow it to happen.

your only mistake is to still be thinking in terms of governments, they are only the puppets. In NZ's case one of the puppeteers is pretending to be a puppet but I don't want to drone on.

[Katman]

your only mistake is to still be thinking in terms of governments, they are only the puppets. In NZ's case one of the puppeteers is pretending to be a puppet but I don't want to drone on.

Yes, I'm aware that we currently have a government who are playing puppets to the US.

It makes Banditbandit's "who cares if the 9/11 conspiracy theories are right" comment even more moronic considering who we appear to be cosying up to.

[Woodman]

So what ??? If the conspiracy theories are all correct - so fucking what ???

How does that make today any different? We still get up, eat, so to work, drink coffee, have sex (well some of us) .. kiss out children ... Does worrying about conspiracies and shit make the sex any better? The food taste better? The children more beautiful?? NO .. so fuck it ..

I just refuse to live my live thinking about such shit - it has no impact on me at all ...

Why do some of you waste your fucking time and effort worrying about shit you have no real knowledge of and no real control over anyway ... You do not need to know all this shit to NOT get sucked into the system ..

In a way you are sucked in because you are engaging with it all ... their shit takes up room in your head (and you don't even get to charge them rent) .. they have a major impact on your lives when you don't want them too ... so just let it go ... it's saner and freer ..

Stay out of sight - Stay free

The most intelligent post I have ever read on KB. :niceone:

[Katman]

The most intelligent post I have ever read on KB. :niceone:

Doesn't say much for your own intelligence.

[Woodman]

Doesn't say much for your own intelligence.

Wow didn't see that coming:tugger:

[Katman]

Wow didn't see that coming:tugger:

That will probably be due to your lack of intelligence.

[R650R]

Great insight here into how thorough Rolls Royce monitoring of their engines is... have set the video to start at the appropriate section.
Well worth watching the whole vid, some interesting technical info, first five mins bit slow tho...

Edited, timestamp thingy didn't work, go to 43min 20sec if short on time :)


http://youtu.be/VfomloUg2Gw?t=43m20s

[YellowDog]

Great insight here into how thorough Rolls Royce monitoring of their engines is... have set the video to start at the appropriate section.
Well worth watching the whole vid, some interesting technical info, first five mins bit slow tho...

Edited, timestamp thingy didn't work, go to 43min 20sec if short on time :)



Fantastic video, thanks for posting.

The issue here is that Malaysian Air didn't pay for this support services package and this is why they cannot work out where the plane was shot down :o

[scrivy]

Fantastic video, thanks for posting.

The issue here is that Malaysian Air didn't pay for this support services package and this is why they cannot work out where the plane was shot down :o

They didn't want to pay for it, or where told not to, or did someone know they hadn't paid for it, so it was the perfect specimen to 'take'......???

Yes, it was a great vid.

[YellowDog]

They didn't want to pay for it, or where told not to, or did someone know they hadn't paid for it, so it was the perfect specimen to 'take'......???

Yes, it was a great vid.

The news story, early on, was that it was a cost option they chose not to take and there was a cost per head analogy of just a few dollars.

So far as I know Air NZ does pay for such a service for its jets.

[R650R]

But RR did get a download or info on how long the engines ran anyway. So that tells us the system is built in anyway and always working its just they don't disclose to the non paying airline the data if they don't subscribe.
With the money these things are worth and how cheap data storage is you can bet there is a harddrive at RR HQ with EVERYTHING those two engines have ever done.
Kinda like some of the top tier prosumer DSLRS, the hardware is there to do the extra focus points or higher iso performance but artificially crippled by firmware restriction.

Loved the titanium sandwich turbine hollow blades, screw the japs and their aluminium extruded frames, just image bike chassis and other parts made with same tech as those blades...

[oldrider]

Loved the titanium sandwich turbine hollow blades, screw the japs and their aluminium extruded frames, just image bike chassis and other parts made with same tech as those blades...

Unfortunately you might not like the price! :eek:

[YellowDog]

Unfortunately you might not like the price! :eek:

I got given a $400 torch made of aircraft grade alloy. Reading the instructions, it is clear that it has been manufactured for the east Asian police and doubles up as a skull cracking weapon. I would certainly be a cost issue when using such materials on vehicles.

[Berries]

With the money these things are worth and how cheap data storage is you can bet there is a harddrive at RR HQ with EVERYTHING those two engines have ever done.
And are still doing.



:yes:

[Banditbandit]

.

People like Banditbandit will happily sit back and allow it to happen.

You know fuck all about me at all. You know fuck all ... you make snap judgements based on one comment in a bullshit forum and you think you are right ..

Dumb and/or dumber ...

[imdying]

Why do some of you waste your fucking time and effort worrying about shit you have no real knowledge of and no real control over anywayBecause they're scared. Some people are too weak minded to accept that bad things do happen for pathetic reasons... they need the security of conspiracies to reassure them that it's all a higher power doing these things, not just random retard terrorists or whatever. These are the same sort of nut jobs that believe in chem trails :lol:

[imdying]

People like Banditbandit will happily sit back and allow it to happen.Yeaaaaah.... I don't know why you'd deride him for that.... people like me will work for those people and help make it happen... Cunts like him aren't who you should be scared of, he's just living his life... cunts like me are actively making a buck off of it.

[oldrider]

Because they're scared. Some people are too weak minded to accept that bad things do happen for pathetic reasons... they need the security of conspiracies to reassure them that it's all a higher power doing these things, not just random retard terrorists or whatever. These are the same sort of nut jobs that believe in chem trails :lol:


Yeaaaaah.... I don't know why you'd deride him for that.... people like me will work for those people and help make it happen... Cunts like him aren't who you should be scared of, he's just living his life... cunts like me are actively making a buck off of it.

Two good honest and reasonable posts! :yes:

[scrivy]

Because they're scared. Some people are too weak minded to accept that bad things do happen for pathetic reasons... they need the security of conspiracies to reassure them that it's all a higher power doing these things, not just random retard terrorists or whatever. These are the same sort of nut jobs that believe in chem trails :lol:

Sorry to disappoint you there dude.
I do understand that there are bad things that happen for pathetic reasons. I certainly don't need conspiracies to reassure myself of a higher power. I for one do not believe in any higher power at all. Period.
I certainly don't buy into the belief that there are random terrorists doing shit because they can. Most events on the world stage have been known to be fabricated by governments, hellbent on trying to persuade their citizens to believe in their strategies and objectives.

...and I certainly do not believe in chem trails.......... :no:

I simply don't take the governments spiel as truth.

As an example - look at the Campbell live episode about the GCSB last week - Key was infact a lying c@nt! and has now been caught out!
That is what I am referring to. Bullshit excuses and no accountability from those in power.
No nut job present here....

[mashman]

:rofl:@chemtrail deniers... is that coz the govt admitted the practice? therefore it must be a lie.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:rofl:@chemtrail deniers....

You seriously believe that drivel?

[mashman]

You seriously believe that drivel?

What drivel? What story are you attaching to Chemtrails that you shouldn't be?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What drivel? What story are you attaching to Chemtrails that you shouldn't be?

I'm asking if you believe the gubberments use those big ole nasty plans to spread chemtrails.

[mashman]

I'm asking if you believe the gubberments use those big ole nasty plans to spread chemtrails.

Of course they do. You never heard of the sun refraction experiments that disperse chemicals/metals into the air in order to reflect sunlight etc...?

[Laava]

Oh-oh! Look what you done started now Pete!

[mashman]

Oh-oh! Look what you done started now Pete!

lol... he must be feverishly scouring the internet and getting immersed in the world of chemtrailing... or off enjoying himself.

[Crasherfromwayback]

lol... he must be feverishly scouring the internet and getting immersed in the world of chemtrailing... or off enjoying himself.

Nah. Trying to find some victims to sell bikes to.

[mashman]

Nah. Trying to find some victims to sell bikes to.

Capitalist scumbag. Bon chance.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Capitalist scumbag. Bon chance.

Fucking a! Want a new one?

[mashman]

Fucking a! Want a new one?

Oh, shit, errrr, no, just browsin thanks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh, shit, errrr, no, just browsin thanks.

Lol. That's what they all say...

[R650R]

Because they're scared. Some people are too weak minded to accept that bad things do happen for pathetic reasons... they need the security of conspiracies to reassure them that it's all a higher power doing these things, not just random retard terrorists or whatever.

I believe in some of the conspiracy theories but not all of them. I'd actually prefer real terrorists to be behind it all as they are not too bright and could be caught fairly easy like they do with some of them.
But when you've got rogue elements embedded in govt dept and special forces that's a whole lot more dangerous than a few fanatic with box cutters...
Where by the way are all these sleeper cells and jetset jihadis??? Oh that's right there over in Syria as Western backed 'rebels'... Surely with the west bombing them back into the stoneage with drone strikes there must be some of them going to do something but nothing.
Its all a big conjob to justify modern day colonialism as bankrupt western powers seek to steal new resources.

[SMOKEU]

Surely with the west bombing them back into the stoneage

They have Sharia for stone age shit, they don't need to be bombed to put them back that far.

[Ocean1]

Because they're scared. Some people are too weak minded to accept that bad things do happen for pathetic reasons... they need the security of conspiracies to reassure them that it's all a higher power doing these things, not just random retard terrorists or whatever.

That, and a complete inability to simply say: "I don't know".

[Katman]

That, and a complete inability to simply say: "I don't know".

I think that's exactly what the people who question the official line are saying.

[oldrider]

I think that's exactly what the people who question the official line are saying.

You and Ed are just two sides of the same coin! :rolleyes:

[Ocean1]

I think that's exactly what the people who question the official line are saying.

Funny, I've never once seen a conspiracy theorist say anything remotely like "I don't know".

Everything else, yes...

[Katman]

Funny, I've never once seen a conspiracy theorist say anything remotely like "I don't know".

Everything else, yes...

Just like those that swallow every official story by saying "Ah, so that's what happened".

I don't know exactly what went down on 9/11. I do know though, that there are holes in the official story you could sail a fleet of battleships through.

[mashman]

Funny, I've never once seen a conspiracy theorist say anything remotely like "I don't know".

Everything else, yes...

I love the smell of archetype in the early evening. How very empirical of you. Heaven forbid there may be a reason for the suspicion.

[Banditbandit]

Just like those that swallow every official story by saying "Ah, so that's what happened".

I don't know exactly what went down on 9/11. I do know though, that there are holes in the official story you could sail a fleet of battleships through.

They sailed the fucking battleships to the Med and the Gulf to support the attacks there ... :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

I love the smell of archetype in the early evening. How very empirical of you. Heaven forbid there may be a reason for the suspicion.

Gwarn, say it.

I

Don't

Know.



Nobody will think any less of you, honest.













They'd know better...

[mashman]

Gwarn, say it.

I

Don't

Know.



Nobody will think any less of you, honest.













They'd know better...

:yawn: I see no reason to.

[Katman]

You and Ed are just two sides of the same coin! :rolleyes:

I'm the side with the brain - he's the side with the arse.

[Katman]

They sailed the fucking battleships to the Med and the Gulf to support the attacks there ... :facepalm:

So who are the fucking morons? Those who see the holes and question them or those who don't even notice them?

Or (third option), those who think they may have noticed them but can't be fucked having a second look. (Cue Banditbandit).

[oldrider]

I'm the side with the brain - he's the side with the arse.

Hmmm, Heads you win ... tails Ed loses ... I guess that would seem fair and reasonable to a conspiracy theorist! :shifty:

[scrivy]

For the conspiracy theorists amongst us.....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/10090185/MH370-search-Government-releases-data

[scrivy]

Just like those that swallow every official story by saying "Ah, so that's what happened".

I don't know exactly what went down on 9/11. I do know though, that there are holes in the official story you could sail a fleet of battleships through.

All the US gooberment have to do is simply show just 1 video (not 1 frame) showing a plane hitting the Pentagon, and I'll eat my own faeces on live stream....:whistle::eek5::crazy::cool: and I'll repent all my hate towards the US.....

Hell, I'll even do it naked, spanking my monkey.....

[rebel]

All the US gooberment have to do is simply show just 1 video (not 1 frame) showing a plane hitting the Pentagon, and I'll eat my own faeces on live stream....:whistle::eek5::crazy::cool: and I'll repent all my hate towards the US.....

Hell, I'll even do it naked, spanking my monkey.....

No reports of passenger body or body part recovery from the Pentagon. All apparently burned to ashes or beyond recognition.
Which is a load of shit. Refer to eye witness and emergency response crews' accounts of PSA Flight 182 in 1978 or AeroMexico Flight 498 1986 for example.

[Banditbandit]

All the US gooberment have to do is simply show just 1 video (not 1 frame) showing a plane hitting the Pentagon, and I'll eat my own faeces on live stream....:whistle::eek5::crazy::cool: and I'll repent all my hate towards the US.....

Hell, I'll even do it naked, spanking my monkey.....

Let me see now ... (keep this simple for the masses) it has been shown that a bike or car travelling at something like 280 klicks will NOT be photographed on a speed camera ....

The 757 that hit the Pentagon has a cruising speed of around 850 klicks ... And is likely to have been doing well over 280 klicks when it hit the Pentagon ...

From a static camera pointing at the wall of the Pentagon, just how many frames do you expect the plane to be seen on? (Given that the film is NOT a continuous image, but a series of frames) ...

[Katman]

From a static camera pointing at the wall of the Pentagon, just how many frames do you expect the plane to be seen on? (Given that the film is NOT a continuous image, but a series of frames) ...

Do you seriously think that there was only one video camera operating in the vicinity of the Pentagon that day?

[mashman]

Let me see now ... (keep this simple for the masses) it has been shown that a bike or car travelling at something like 280 klicks will NOT be photographed on a speed camera ....

The 757 that hit the Pentagon has a cruising speed of around 850 klicks ... And is likely to have been doing well over 280 klicks when it hit the Pentagon ...

From a static camera pointing at the wall of the Pentagon, just how many frames do you expect the plane to be seen on? (Given that the film is NOT a continuous image, but a series of frames) ...

Yet there was film of aircraft smashing into buildings on that very same day? I guess we need better speed cameras :weird:

[Laava]

No matter how many cameras there are and how much or how good the footage is, there will always be those who smell a conspiracy. Trade towers for instance. And why would you expect any govt agency to release footage they have in the possesion?
I believe they should, but we all know that is not going to happen.

[Paul in NZ]

Do you seriously think that there was only one video camera operating in the vicinity of the Pentagon that day?

The answer to that is... it depends...

If you are inside a big secure building you will typically have cameras monitoring hallways, lobbies, entrances etc and facing out from the building. You won't have many across the road looking at your building. Lets assume that the official version is true - ie the impact and fire was so great everyting was vapourised then a lot of your infrastructure would also go to ash. You might not get a clear image of a plane crashing into your building.

[Katman]

And why would you expect any govt agency to release footage they have in the possesion?
I believe they should, but we all know that is not going to happen.

Well for a start, a number of video recordings seized on that day are not even the property of the government.

[scrivy]

Let me see now ... (keep this simple for the masses) it has been shown that a bike or car travelling at something like 280 klicks will NOT be photographed on a speed camera ....
The 757 that hit the Pentagon has a cruising speed of around 850 klicks ... And is likely to have been doing well over 280 klicks when it hit the Pentagon ...
From a static camera pointing at the wall of the Pentagon, just how many frames do you expect the plane to be seen on? (Given that the film is NOT a continuous image, but a series of frames) ...

Let me see now....... Keeping it real simple for the masses too.... the CIA/FBI/NSA etc. etc... confiscated 84 video cameras that were pointed at the Pentagon that morning from such places like hotels, motels, petrol stations, security cameras etc etc.... from up to a few kms away (still real simple), yet they won't show even a 5 second clip from any of them..... it has nothing to do with the frame speed of the video cameras, nor the Pentagon video footage they released.... However, the Pentagon has many tens of videos around its perimeter looking outwards - google it. Another issue not raised, is why did the Pentagon anti-aircraft defense system of missiles not blow up the plane before it hit?? Afterall, that was their function when any aircraft hasn't squawked the correct code.

Another point, being an ex-pilot, I can tell you that there is no way a 757 can fly at ground level at 850kms - at 35,000 ft, yip, no issue, but not at sea level. So another 'smoke n mirrors' argument.

One only has to view the size of the engine turbine assembly they 'found' at the pentagon to realise it wasn't from a 757.297434 <----- I mean REALLY???? You can stand inside a 757 engine casing.
So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????

[awa355]

Rather ironic, coming from a President.,

"I think Americans have learned it's harder to end wars than it is to begin them. Yet this is how wars end in the 21st Century."

[scrivy]

Let me see now ... (keep this simple for the masses) it has been shown that a bike or car travelling at something like 280 klicks will NOT be photographed on a speed camera ....

The 757 that hit the Pentagon has a cruising speed of around 850 klicks ... And is likely to have been doing well over 280 klicks when it hit the Pentagon ...

From a static camera pointing at the wall of the Pentagon, just how many frames do you expect the plane to be seen on? (Given that the film is NOT a continuous image, but a series of frames) ...

Not picking on you Bandit, but if I said I saw your mother this morning driving her car, doing handbrake turns, donuts, and going through stop signs, would you assume Katman would believe me?? Would you assume Katman might have some questions to prove me wrong??
And the next thing is, how many people are going to come forward to prove me wrong??

[Katman]

So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????

A bit of googling tells me that the Williams FJ-44 turbine measures about 580mm in diameter.

If a person stood next to one it would come to somewhere between their knee and their hip.

:whistle:

[scrivy]

A bit of googling tells me that the Williams FJ-44 turbine measures about 580mm in diameter.

If a person stood next to one it would come to somewhere between their knee and their hip.

:whistle:

Well fuck me!!
Either that guy is over 50 foot tall, or that's a cruise missile turbine rotor.... Now Katman, don't you go putting seeds of doubt into peoples minds.....
The arabs did it remember........ :yawn::facepalm::shutup:

[Katman]

Either that guy is over 50 foot tall.....

Well I suppose that's possible.

9/11 rewrote the laws of physics so why couldn't it rewrite the laws of human physiology?

[Laava]

Let me see now....... Keeping it real simple for the masses too.... the CIA/FBI/NSA etc. etc... confiscated 84 video cameras that were pointed at the Pentagon that morning from such places like hotels, motels, petrol stations, security cameras etc etc.... from up to a few kms away (still real simple), yet they won't show even a 5 second clip from any of them..... it has nothing to do with the frame speed of the video cameras, nor the Pentagon video footage they released.... However, the Pentagon has many tens of videos around its perimeter looking outwards - google it. Another issue not raised, is why did the Pentagon anti-aircraft defense system of missiles not blow up the plane before it hit?? Afterall, that was their function when any aircraft hasn't squawked the correct code.

Another point, being an ex-pilot, I can tell you that there is no way a 757 can fly at ground level at 850kms - at 35,000 ft, yip, no issue, but not at sea level. So another 'smoke n mirrors' argument.

One only has to view the size of the engine turbine assembly they 'found' at the pentagon to realise it wasn't from a 757.297434 <----- I mean REALLY???? You can stand inside a 757 engine casing.
So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????

So you being an ex pilot would know about the APU. What size turbine is the APU on the plane said to have struck the Pentagon?

Honeywell 331-200 & 331-250
Boeing 767 /757 & Airbus A300

[scrivy]

So you being an ex pilot would know about the APU. What size turbine is the APU on the plane said to have struck the Pentagon?

Honeywell 331-200 & 331-250
Boeing 767 /757 & Airbus A300

Considering that "Honeywell's Aerospace division in Phoenix, Ariz. were sent high-resolution photos for their examination. "There's no way that's an APU wheel," an expert at Honeywell stated.", I guess I'd have to go with an expert over the gooberment.

[scrivy]

Anyway, how did some 'Dumb Arabs' know exactly which area to hit in the Pentagon that had only the day earlier lost over 2.3 trillion dollars of 'unaccountable' money????

Those fuckers certainly are smart.... must be something in the sand....???

Come on... really??? Saves having to account for it I 'spose..... ;)

[Banditbandit]

Let me see now....... Keeping it real simple for the masses too.... the CIA/FBI/NSA etc. etc... confiscated 84 video cameras that were pointed at the Pentagon that morning from such places like hotels, motels, petrol stations, security cameras etc etc.... from up to a few kms away (still real simple), yet they won't show even a 5 second clip from any of them..... it has nothing to do with the frame speed of the video cameras, nor the Pentagon video footage they released.... However, the Pentagon has many tens of videos around its perimeter looking outwards - google it. Another issue not raised, is why did the Pentagon anti-aircraft defense system of missiles not blow up the plane before it hit?? Afterall, that was their function when any aircraft hasn't squawked the correct code.

Another point, being an ex-pilot, I can tell you that there is no way a 757 can fly at ground level at 850kms - at 35,000 ft, yip, no issue, but not at sea level. So another 'smoke n mirrors' argument.

One only has to view the size of the engine turbine assembly they 'found' at the pentagon to realise it wasn't from a 757.297434 <----- I mean REALLY???? You can stand inside a 757 engine casing.
So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????


Yet there was film of aircraft smashing into buildings on that very same day? I guess we need better speed cameras :weird:

I didn't say the plane was doing 850 klicks when it hit the pentagon - I said it was likely to be doing more than 280 klicks ...

There's certainly footage of something hitting the Pentagon ... if it wasn't the flght they claim it was what was it?

[Katman]

... if it wasn't the flght they claim it was what was it?

See, now you're onto it.

[imdying]

Considering that "Honeywell's Aerospace division in Phoenix, Ariz. were sent high-resolution photos for their examination. "There's no way that's an APU wheel," an expert at Honeywell stated.", I guess I'd have to go with an expert over the gooberment.

Interesting quote. I don't understand why you can only find it on conspiracy sites.

[Ocean1]

I don't understand why you can only find it on conspiracy sites.

Must be 'cause you're fucking stupid.

Just goes to say, dunnit?

[Katman]

Interesting quote. I don't understand why you can only find it on conspiracy sites.

Well, realistically you're not likely to find a quote like that on any official source if they are intent on having you believe that it is simply from a APU turbine.

Once again, it simply comes down to which side you're inclined to believe.

You should ring Honeywell's Aerospace division and report back to us.

[Laava]

Ok it is not from the apu but from the RB211 turbofans themselves. Here is a link to Aerospaceweb.org. Of course, a conspiracy theorist I am sure will find a lot wrong with this site and condemn it as propaganda yadda yadda yadda.
Took me 5sec to google it.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml






Edit, added link

[scrivy]

Ok it is not from the apu but from the RB211 turbofans themselves. Here is a link to Aerospaceweb.org. Of course, a conspiracy theorist I am sure will find a lot wrong with this site and condemn it as propaganda yadda yadda yadda.
Took me 5sec to google it.

Hmmm..... that's where it gets really interesting. 'Cause when the first pics of the hit Pentagon were released, there were no tell-tale (or tail.... lol) pieces over the lawn..... but then there were the turbine parts that showed up later.... along with other aircraft debris that was not burnt or did not appear to have come from the so called aircraft crash....

All I want to see is just one 5 second video clip of a plane in that area flying low and fast.... that's all. Not hard really.

[Zarkov]

Surely there's a Conspiracy Thread somewhere that you guys can post in.

You've dumbed this one down enough.

[imdying]

Must be 'cause you're fucking stupid.Must be!


You should ring Honeywell's Aerospace division and report back to us.Ok did, got laughed at and hung up on. That's fine, expected that, but it wasn't an entirely random call, was somebody I know :laugh:

Full disclosure though, it wasn't somebody that designs APUs though, they're in Flight Management Systems. Cunt'll mock me when I her next.... at least it was free cause I rung on works dollar :D

[oneofsix]

Surely there's a Conspiracy Thread somewhere that you guys can post in.

You've dumbed this one down enough.
only about three or four recent conspiracy threads with the same players.

[Akzle]

whats the fuken story? The b777 flew in to the pentagon 3 years ago?

[Kickaha]

Another issue not raised, is why did the Pentagon anti-aircraft defense system of missiles not blow up the plane before it hit?? Afterall, that was their function when any aircraft hasn't squawked the correct code.
What system is that? do you have inside knowledge of exactly what air defences the pentagon has?
Do you realise there's a flight path for the airport next door that pretty much goes over it?

Another point, being an ex-pilot, I can tell you that there is no way a 757 can fly at ground level at 850kms - at 35,000 ft, yip, no issue, but not at sea level. So another 'smoke n mirrors' argument.
How fast can it fly at that altitude then?

One only has to view the size of the engine turbine assembly they 'found' at the pentagon to realise it wasn't from a 757.297434 <----- I mean REALLY???? You can stand inside a 757 engine casing.
So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????

You do realise there are several rotors of differing sizes in those motors?

I guess all the eye withness who saw a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon are all goverment stooges in on the plan

The missing B77 is on the bottom of the ocean somewhere

[Laava]

One only has to view the size of the engine turbine assembly they 'found' at the pentagon to realise it wasn't from a 757.297434 <----- I mean REALLY???? You can stand inside a 757 engine casing.
So... what size is a cruise missile turbine?????

So now that we have proved that the wheel shown and other debris IS from a 757, using this link http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml now you are saying that it was planted there?
I'm convinced.