Watch the news - B777 missing

[bogan]

So now that we have proved that the wheel shown and other debris IS from a 757

The 777 went missing cos it had the wrong wheels? :confused:

[Laava]

The 777 went missing cos it had the wrong wheels? :confused:

Haha! Yeah sorry we are all off topic a bit!
We have no idea why it has gone missing, maybe the wheels had a part in the mystery?

[Akzle]

So now that we have proved that the wheel shown and other debris IS from a 757, using this link http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml now you are saying that it was planted there?
I'm convinced.

why doesnt the government commision/investigation just tell everyone what forensics determined it to be?
And how come the commission report "doesnt know" why 7 came down?

[Laava]

why doesnt the government commision/investigation just tell everyone what forensics determined it to be?
And how come the commission report "doesnt know" why 7 came down?

The post and link you quoted are to do with the engine debris at the pentagon. We know what it is.
It is not a secret.

[R650R]

A plane definitely hit the pentagon. While I believe the wider conspiracy of something shonky happening and the towers being demo'd etc there's a few things to consider.

1-Most cctv are pointing at ground not the sky, if you ever run your own system you'll find what a major PITA and camera destroyer sunlight is if pointed that way. Plus most of the footage is crap even when offenders are close unless itsa high end system so how the hell will you id a plane on one.

2-The perps couldn't risk someone filming a 'cruise missle' coming in or even worse it failing before impact and being recovered semi intact etc.

3-there were other deliberate diversions around 911 like the controlled assets of Alex jones and that loose change guy with the plane pod nonsense. All of this is because they want to draw away from the main point that would have people scratching their heads, how did the towers fall so cleanly...

BTW the so called cruise missle fan is actually same siz e as the APU power unit in planes tail...

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/5/0/0249051.jpg

[Katman]

I think the major difference between the two opposing sides of this argument is that one side has accepting minds while the other side have enquiring minds.

[scrivy]

I guess all the eye withness who saw a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon are all goverment stooges in on the plan


Give us a link to any of the eye witnesses saying that. I haven't seen one yet. Would love to see it.

[scrivy]

I simply will not believe what the gooberments state as fact.

My son told me a few years ago that his friends dad got a fast new car and they drove to Auckland in 2 hours from Taupo. I asked my son if he believed his friend. He said absolutely. I then went through the basic speed averages, and again asked him if he still believed his friend. He said how could I, it's impossible. It simply can't be done. It then occured to him that his friend was lying his ass off. He confronted him, and his friend admitted he was making it up.

So why exactly should we believe the governments version of 9/11 events?

[Katman]

And the other thing that people need to keep in mind is that even if there is only one aspect of 9/11 (e.g. Building 7) that doesn't make any sense to them, then the whole series of events of that day have to be viewed with skepticism.

[R650R]

My son told me a few years ago that his friends dad got a fast new car and they drove to Auckland in 2 hours from Taupo. I asked my son if he believed his friend. He said absolutely. I then went through the basic speed averages, and again asked him if he still believed his friend. He said how could I, it's impossible. It simply can't be done. It then occured to him that his friend was lying his ass off. He confronted him, and his friend admitted he was making it up.



Sorry but that is easily acheiveable albeit in a law breaking and license risking fashion. All these road legends depend on where you call "Auckland" or "taupo" ie akld central, manukau or bombays etc after fueling up and taupo are we talking wairakei or stag park etc... But even in a truck Manukau to Stag park was acheievable in around 2hr 45min speed limited to 102kph... according to a friend of course.
Looking at google maps it gives the distance as 258km and 3hr drive time which is 86kph avg, to do in 2hrs would be 129kph avg...
There's a lot of BS trip times out there, legends in their own lunchtimes etc but your friends story is plausible.

[scrivy]

Sorry but that is easily acheiveable albeit in a law breaking and license risking fashion. All these road legends depend on where you call "Auckland" or "taupo" ie akld central, manukau or bombays etc after fueling up and taupo are we talking wairakei or stag park etc... But even in a truck Manukau to Stag park was acheievable in around 2hr 45min speed limited to 102kph... according to a friend of course.
Looking at google maps it gives the distance as 258km and 3hr drive time which is 86kph avg, to do in 2hrs would be 129kph avg...
There's a lot of BS trip times out there, legends in their own lunchtimes etc but your friends story is plausible.

Without going into a full blown story, the distances and times coupled with the fact his mother (a foof) and young sister were in the car also, and it was raining..... the whole thing was shit, and his friend admitted it. Just stating that you should never believe exactly what you're told....

[Woodman]

I simply will not believe what the gooberments state as fact.

My son told me a few years ago that his friends dad got a fast new car and they drove to Auckland in 2 hours from Taupo. I asked my son if he believed his friend. He said absolutely. I then went through the basic speed averages, and again asked him if he still believed his friend. He said how could I, it's impossible. It simply can't be done. It then occured to him that his friend was lying his ass off. He confronted him, and his friend admitted he was making it up.

So why exactly should we believe the governments version of 9/11 events?

So because some spotty teenager lied to another spotty teenager then that proves that 9/11 is a government conspiracy. Wheres my tinfoil hat?

[Ocean1]

And the other thing that people need to keep in mind is that even if there is only one aspect of 9/11 (e.g. Building 7) that doesn't make any sense to them, then the whole series of events of that day have to be viewed with skepticism.

But that's exactly what most people do with conspiracy theories, notice several gaping holes and dismiss the lot as rabid fuckwittery.

[Katman]

But that's exactly what most people do with conspiracy theories, notice several gaping holes and dismiss the lot as rabid fuckwittery.

So do you buy the story that Building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint due to some office fires?

[scrivy]

So because some spotty teenager lied to another spotty teenager then that proves that 9/11 is a government conspiracy. Wheres my tinfoil hat?

No. I just gave a story about why you should never believe exactly what you're told....
Nothing else in it to wear a tin foil hat.....
Anyway, how'd you know my son has spots??? You controlling my web cam ??? :shifty::rolleyes:

[scrivy]

So do you buy the story that Building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint due to some office fires?

Yip....... it was amazing!!!
It was the first ever documented highrise to fall due to fire, and it wasn't even mentioned at all in the 9/11 commission report.
They were so in awe of it that they chose never to talk about it...... :shutup::facepalm::crazy:

[Woodman]

So do you buy the story that Building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint due to some office fires?

Generally buildings in cities have firemen all over it putting the fire out. Did Building 7 have anyone at all trying to douse the fire? Probarbly not.

Has anyone ever left a skyscraper to just burn and see what happens? Get back to me when you know.

[R650R]

Has anyone ever left a skyscraper to just burn and see what happens? Get back to me when you know.

Yes several times in high profile fashion post 911 and nothing collapsed with fires way more intense.
The reason all those firefighters died is they had utter faith those steel framed buildings could survive fire as none had ever collapsed due to fire before.
Also little reported is a fire the WTC suffered back in 1973 that didn't collapse them either...

Madrid tower first big fire...

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/madrid_skyscraper.jpg

[Katman]

Generally buildings in cities have firemen all over it putting the fire out. Did Building 7 have anyone at all trying to douse the fire? Probarbly not.

Has anyone ever left a skyscraper to just burn and see what happens? Get back to me when you know.

Yes, there were firefighters in Building 7.

Yes, there have been skyscrapers that have burnt fiercely for many more hours than Building 7 did without falling.

Here's one....
<img src="http://investigate911.org/Mandarin-Oriental-Hotel-High-rise-Beijing-China-burned-fires-six-hours-2-9-2009-building-did-not-collapse-cctv.jpg"/>

Do so reading.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

[Woodman]

[QUOTE=R650R;1130725892]Yes several times in high profile fashion post 911 and nothing collapsed with fires way more intense.
The reason all those firefighters died is they had utter faith those steel framed buildings could survive fire as none had ever collapsed due to fire before.
Also little reported is a fire the WTC suffered back in 1973 that didn't collapse them either...

Madrid tower first big fire...

Were they all of the same design ? too many variables to just say that some didn't so then tower 7 must be the same. Hardly scientific.

[Akzle]

Yes several times in high profile fashion post 911 and nothing collapsed with fires way more intense.
The reason all those firefighters died is they had utter faith those steel framed buildings could survive fire as none had ever collapsed due to fire before.
Also little reported is a fire the WTC suffered back in 1973 that didn't collapse them either...

Madrid tower first big fire...

[IMG]

yeah, but there was no burning arabs then, we all know that arabs burn hotter than normal people.
Except their passports. Arab passports will survive a fire that will cut through 3 foot steel foundations like thermite.

[Katman]

Were they all of the same design ? too many variables to just say that some didn't so then tower 7 must be the same. Hardly scientific.

Do you understand the concept of freefall?

[imdying]

Do so reading.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.htmlGot any links that aren't fan fiction sites? Or maybe some where they've looked at building fires fueled by jet fuel? Even one similar fire would be nice.

[Katman]

Got any links that aren't fan fiction sites?

I'm sure you can take each example in that link and find plenty of information elsewhere about each one if that site doesn't fit your agenda.

Building 7 was never fueled by jet fuel.

[imdying]

I'm sure you can take each example in that link and find plenty of information elsewhere about each one if that site doesn't fit your agenda.

Building 7 was never fueled by jet fuel.None of the buildings in that link were fires fueled by jet fuel, not even one of them.

One conspiracy at a time, whatever did or didn't drop 7 doesn't refute the big two though, that is a logical fallacy.

I'd be careful about throwing around the concept of sites that fit agendas.

[Katman]

None of the buildings in that link were fires fueled by jet fuel, not even one of them.

One conspiracy at a time, whatever did or didn't drop 7 doesn't refute the big two though, that is a logical fallacy.

Let's stick with Building 7 for a second.

It was never fueled by jet fuel.

(And besides, the vast majority of the jet fuel in the Twin Towers would have burnt off within the first few seconds of the initial explosions.)

[YellowDog]

Let's stick with Building 7 for a second.

It was never fueled by jet fuel.

(And besides, the vast majority of the jet fuel in the Twin Towers would have burnt off within the first few seconds of the initial explosions.)

Just like the walls of Jericho, building 7 collapsed as a result of the resonance pitch created by what was going on in close proximity to it.

Obviously :blink:

[Ocean1]

So do you buy the story that Building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint due to some office fires?

No............

[imdying]

Let's stick with Building 7 for a second.

It was never fueled by jet fuel.

(And besides, the vast majority of the jet fuel in the Twin Towers would have burnt off within the first few seconds of the initial explosions.)

No, lets stay with the big two that were hit by jet airliners.

No, the vast majority would not have burnt off in the first few seconds. Even if that were physically possible (which it isn't), assuming a half full fuel tank, you're talking about the release of 700 billion joules of energy in a few seconds (which, ironically, would easy explain those two building collapsing, although it would have been quite quick).

/edit: That's NZ billion, not US billion, just so we know I'm not fudging that by a factor of one thousand

[Katman]

No, lets stay with the big two that were hit by jet airliners.

No, the vast majority would not have burnt off in the first few seconds. Even if that were physically possible (which it isn't), assuming a half full fuel tank, you're talking about the release of 700 billion joules of energy in a few seconds (which, ironically, would easy explain those two building collapsing, although it would have been quite quick).

Why not stay with Building 7?

It was never hit by anything other than debris from the collapsing North Tower - which only caused superficial localised damage.

It was never fueled by jetfuel - only by office supplies and furniture.

Yet it collapsed uniformly at freefall speed straight down into it's footprint.

Demolition experts could only hope for as good an outcome.

[Akzle]

No, lets stay with the big two that were hit by jet airliners.

No, the vast majority would not have burnt off in the first few seconds. Even if that were physically possible (which it isn't), assuming a half full fuel tank, you're talking about the release of 700 billion joules of energy in a few seconds (which, ironically, would easy explain those two building collapsing, although it would have been quite quick).

so the fuel tanks remained in tact?

Assuming they didnt, what environmental condition would have prevented the fuel immediately igniting? Since there was fire all over the place. And shit.

[imdying]

Why not stay with Building 7?

It was never hit by anything other than debris from the collapsing tower - which only caused localised damage.

It was never fueled by jetfuel - only by office supplies and furniture.

Yet it collapsed uniformly at freefall speed straight down into it's footprint.

Demolition experts could only hope for as good an outcome.

Because one conspiracy at a time, the big one. Because my interest in even that one is fleeting at best. Because the most basic physics refutes your proposition that all the fuel burnt out in the first few seconds. Because if you can't even get that right, why even bother with the other tower, let alone any other buildings.

[bogan]

No, lets stay with the big two that were hit by jet airliners.

No, the vast majority would not have burnt off in the first few seconds. Even if that were physically possible (which it isn't), assuming a half full fuel tank, you're talking about the release of 700 billion joules of energy in a few seconds (which, ironically, would easy explain those two building collapsing, although it would have been quite quick).

I think building 7 is the one to look at, the 'excuses' for the towers arrived, and so we can plausibly think the planes took out both towers. But why did the one that wasn't hit fall down? did its 'excuse' not arrive or is its fall as plausible as the two towers for other reasons?

So there is a question for each side, why did it fall down? or why did it need to?

[Katman]

No, the vast majority would not have burnt off in the first few seconds. Even if that were physically possible (which it isn't).....

If a tank full of thousands of gallons of fuel was ignited while still contained within a confined area then the surface of the fuel would burn for a considerable time.

However, if a fuel tank ruptures and sprays thousands of gallons of fuel into the air, and is ignited, it will burn the vast majority in a matter of seconds.

[imdying]

I think building 7 is the one to look at, the 'excuses' for the towers arrived, and so we can plausibly think the planes took out both towers. But why did the one that wasn't hit fall down? did its 'excuse' not arrive or is its fall as plausible as the two towers for other reasons?

So there is a question for each side, why did it fall down? or why did it need to?Conspiracy theorists whip themselves into a frenzy based on collections of misinformation ranging from minor warping of the facts to complete and utter bullshit. Seems logical to start with the utter bullshit. If that supposed fact can't be backed up, why even bother with the rest of it.

[imdying]

If a tank full of thousands of gallons of fuel was ignited while still contained within a confined area then the surface of the fuel would burn for a considerable time.

However, if a fuel tank ruptures and sprays thousands of gallons of fuel into the air it will ignite and burn the vast majority in a matter of seconds.I've seen the footage, it was propelled into a confined space at a few hundred miles per hour.... next.

[Katman]

I've seen the footage, it was propelled into a confined space at a few hundred miles per hour.... next.

So what do you think the massive fireballs were?

(And it was actually propelled into a couple of open plan floors.)

[bogan]

Conspiracy theorists whip themselves into a frenzy based on collections of misinformation ranging from minor warping of the facts to complete and utter bullshit. Seems logical to start with the utter bullshit. If that supposed fact can't be backed up, why even bother with the rest of it.

Yeh, but just cos spanners with misinformation get all amongst it doing perhaps more harm than good for their cause; doesn't mean the big points can't still be valid. And a building falling down by itself seems a much bigger and more addressable point than going over how much fuel, how fast it burned, and what said energy would have done.

[imdying]

So what do you think the massive fireballs were?They were big, but less than a fifth of the volume of fuel on board, which is actually just more simple math.

I was wrong about the amount of fuel on board. Assuming official sources are accurate, by a factor of 2. So now we're actually up closer to 1.4 trillion joules of energy (NZ trillion).

[imdying]

Yeh, but just cos spanners with misinformation get all amongst it doing perhaps more harm than good for their cause; doesn't mean the big points can't still be valid. And a building falling down by itself seems a much bigger and more addressable point than going over how much fuel, how fast it burned, and what said energy would have done.Unlike most of what I've read on here, those things are actually measurable quantifiable facts. I don't see any point going down the rabbit hole until those things can be addressed.

[Katman]

They were big, but less than a fifth of the volume of fuel on board, which is actually just more simple math.

I was wrong about the amount of fuel on board. Assuming official sources are accurate, by a factor of 2. So now we're actually up closer to 1.4 trillion joules of energy (NZ trillion).

That still says nothing about Building 7 though.

What did you think fueled Building 7's fires again?

[Ocean1]

Yeh, but just cos spanners with misinformation get all amongst it doing perhaps more harm than good for their cause; doesn't mean the big points can't still be valid.

But Occam's razor say's they're much less likely to be valid. So the dying dude is right, if the first events can be seen as having a common cause then it's far more likely that later events have a related cause.

[imdying]

That still says nothing about Building 7 though.

What did you think fueled Building 7's fires again?Because one conspiracy at a time, the big one. Because my interest in even that one is fleeting at best. Because the most basic physics refutes your proposition that all the fuel burnt out in the first few seconds. Because if you can't even get that right, why even bother with the other tower, let alone any other buildings.

[imdying]

If anyone has any interest in math, the explosion calculations are actually really interesting, appear well researched and cited, and I'd recommend looking at them.

[Katman]

Because one conspiracy at a time, the big one.

We certainly can deal with the little one first.

Because if you can't explain the collapse of Building 7 with any degree of logic then the whole events of that day have to be viewed with skepticism.

If Building 7 was brought down by explosives it opens a whole can of worms for every other event on that day.

[bogan]

Unlike most of what I've read on here, those things are actually measurable quantifiable facts. I don't see any point going down the rabbit hole until those things can be addressed.


But Occam's razor say's they're much less likely to be valid. So the dying dude is right, if the first events can be seen as having a common cause then it's far more likely that later events have a related cause.

Yeh aight then, how much structural integrity would be lost if 1.4 trillion joules of energy was converted to heat in there. Some quick maths suggest that would be equivalent to over 300 tonnes of TNT right; which kinda suggests the answer would be, all of it.

[imdying]

Iif what you're saying about the towers isn't built on fact, I can't find any motivation to even bother looking into that one.... I assume all I'm going to find is more basic math that you're blindly ignoring because it doesn't fit your agenda. Having said that, the math for the actual fireball isn't basic, so I can see why you be reluctant (or possibly unable?) to verify it yourself.

[Katman]

Iif what you're saying about the towers isn't built on fact, I can't find any motivation to even bother looking into that one.... I assume all I'm going to find is more basic math that you're blindly ignoring because it doesn't fit your agenda. Having said that, the math for the actual fireball isn't basic, so I can see why you be reluctant (or possibly unable?) to verify it yourself.

Give it a go. See if you can find any logic in the collapse of Building 7.

It might be a revelation for you.

[Woodman]

Do you understand the concept of freefall?

No, I was just asking questions, not just accepting others theories like one of the two kinds of people you mentioned earlier.

[imdying]

Yeh aight then, how much structural integrity would be lost if 1.4 trillion joules of energy was converted to heat in there. Some quick maths suggest that would be equivalent to over 300 tonnes of TNT right; which kinda suggests the answer would be, all of it.Now you've come up against a problem... we as layman aren't able to produce that figure, and those that do have that ability and access to accurate information are denounced as government shills. For that answer, you'll have to look at something like the NIST papers and draw your own conclusion as to whether they're making it up or not. I have to admit I don't actually care enough to do that, but I do find that the parroting of fiction in support of the conspiracy to be a little disingenuous, thus why I mustered enough interest to tear that to pieces.

[R650R]

There's nothing special about jet fuel, just glorified Kerosene. If anything the actual office fires themselves would generate possibly more heat under right conditions but as the official story is faked to hell they just say Jet Fuel cause it rolls off the tongue nicely and conjurs all sorts of horror images in tv viewers minds... And the majority of it exploded outside the towers in a giant fireball.
I've had some cranking hot fires in my kent log fire place over the last 20 odd years and it aint collapsed and prob made out of lower grade steel than high rise fireproofed RSJ beams...

Even if you believe the official line, the damage is at the top of the building, the lower floors are still doing their thing. There is not enough new energy introduced in a downward direction to explain the total catastrophic failure of the entire buildings.
Maybe tomorrow OSH will dictate loggers to cut the trees from the top, once a branch freefalls it will collapse the whole tree.
And EVEN if the structure failed the way they said, think for a moment of the massive amount of steel and concrete in the way in the lower floors. Just like the haybales at a racetrack they would slow the crashing structure but the buildings collapse at a uniform speed when the rate of failure of lower floors should have slowed the fall in an exponential function.

[Katman]

Now you've come up against a problem... we as layman aren't able to produce that figure, and those that do have that ability and access to accurate information are denounced as government shills. For that answer, you'll have to look at something like the NIST papers and draw your own conclusion as to whether they're making it up or not. I have to admit I don't actually care enough to do that, but I do find that the parroting of fiction in support of the conspiracy to be a little disingenuous, thus why I mustered enough interest to tear that to pieces.

Who do NIST work for again?

[imdying]

Give it a go. See if you can find any logic in the collapse of Building 7.Only if you promise to use actual facts to support your case.... :msn-wink:

[imdying]

Who do NIST work for again?I think that proves my point :laugh:

[Katman]

I think that proves my point :laugh:

How's that?

NIST are merely a government puppet.

[imdying]

How's that?

NIST are merely a government puppet.Because you lack the technical knowledge to refute their papers, you play the man and not the ball by utilising the conspiracists war cry of "government shills!", that's how. The difference between you and them is, you cry that to mask your ignorance (or perhaps I am giving you insufficient credit and you're just lazy), and they publish their papers for peer review.

[bogan]

Now you've come up against a problem... we as layman aren't able to produce that figure, and those that do have that ability and access to accurate information are denounced as government shills. For that answer, you'll have to look at something like the NIST papers and draw your own conclusion as to whether they're making it up or not. I have to admit I don't actually care enough to do that, but I do find that the parroting of fiction in support of the conspiracy to be a little disingenuous, thus why I mustered enough interest to tear that to pieces.

Indeed, which is why I figured building 7 might be easier to look at. The conspiracy guys should be able to point out what the excuse for it falling was supposed to be, why it didn't occur, and why it had to be knocked down; as well as proof that explosives did it.

[Katman]

Because you lack the technical knowledge to refute their papers, you play the man and not the ball by utilising the conspiracists war cry of "government shills!", that's how. The difference between you and them is, you cry that to mask your ignorance (or perhaps I am giving you insufficient credit and you're just lazy), and they publish their papers for peer review.

It's not just me questioning NIST's integrity.

There are a huge number of highly qualified architects and engineers who don't accept their findings.

Are you more qualified than them?

[Kickaha]

whats the fuken story? The b777 flew in to the pentagon 3 years ago?

They obviously have time travel, fuck are you in trouble now for exposing their secret

[bogan]

It's not just me questioning NIST's integrity.

There are a huge number of highly qualified architects and engineers who don't accept their findings.

Are you more qualified than them?

Are they more qualified and more numerous than NIST and their supporters?

This is why playing the man don't work, I'd expect as much from mashy but thought you'd be better than that.

[Katman]

Are they more qualified and more numerous than NIST and their supporters?

This is why playing the man don't work, I'd expect as much from mashy but thought you'd be better than that.

You're talking about a government agency spouting the government's story.

Think about it.

[Ocean1]

You're talking about a government agency spouting the government's story.

Think about it.

So, exactly what would happen if they were both correct, then?

Edit: Or even if the government simply accepted their expert's advice...

[Katman]

So, exactly what would happen if they were both correct, then?

Well that would depend on whether you buy the official story of the collapse of Building 7.

[Katman]

Edit: Or even if the government simply accepted their expert's advice...

I don't think the government accepted NIST's advice.

I think they told NIST what NIST's advice would be.

[Katman]

Bear in mind NIST were forced to go back and re-evaluted their findings when called out by a high school physics teacher regarding the laws of freefall.

[Kickaha]

Give us a link to any of the eye witnesses saying that. I haven't seen one yet. Would love to see it.

Ever heard of google?

It's obviously all made up though, who the fuck would name someone Adyan or Afework, although they could be foreigners, probably spies or Terrorists spreading misinformation as part of the conspiracy

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

[Kickaha]

So do you buy the story that Building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint due to some office fires?

You mean the office fires on ten stories of the building that burned for 7 hours?

[scrivy]

Yeh aight then, how much structural integrity would be lost if 1.4 trillion joules of energy was converted to heat in there. Some quick maths suggest that would be equivalent to over 300 tonnes of TNT right; which kinda suggests the answer would be, all of it.

So if it converted to copious amounts of heat, how could there be people standing in the open 'wounds' of the building waving for help? And why did the towers last as long as they did before they fell down??

[Katman]

You mean the office fires on ten stories of the building that burned for 7 hours?

That's right, the office fires fueled by not much more than paper and particle board.

[scrivy]

You mean the office fires on ten stories of the building that burned for 7 hours?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYJ1wxb_8y0
You mean the buildings owner that already knew there were explosives in the building and told them to pull it, and firefighters and police knew there were bombs in the building, and it was going to blow?
Or the eye witnesses in the building that heard explosions going off and stairwells etc destroyed. (Cause I know you like eye witnesses Kick.... :love:)

No building in history has collapsed due to fire apparantely.

[scrivy]

Ever heard of google?

It's obviously all made up though, who the fuck would name someone Adyan or Afework, although they could be foreigners, probably spies or Terrorists spreading misinformation as part of the conspiracy

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

Hang about, one of those 'witnesses' contradicts the official south corridor of the planes flightpath.... :facepalm::shutup:

[scrivy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l47D5ISemds

This is good for a laugh.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dunno if this has been asked before...but if not, here you go. It would seem that Russia and China (the biggies) and many more countries hate the good old US of A. If the whole twin towers and building 7 thing was bullshit...wouldn't China's and Russia's top scientists/engineers etc etc all be slinging shit at the US of A to make them look bad? Has this ever happened? If not...why not?

[Katman]

Here's a good example of NIST's level of integrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0r0rWm6p0s

[scrivy]

That's right, the office fires fueled by not much more than paper and particle board.

What if the particle board was lined with thermite......??? :shutup:

If it tastes as bad as marmite, I could see how it would crumble......:sick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

What if the particle board was lined with thermite......??? :shutup:

If it tastes as bad as marmite, I could see how it would crumble......:sick:

Can you answer post 823 for me please?

[Katman]

And here's NIST showing they don't understand the concept of freefall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGMvnwjUizY

[scrivy]

Dunno if this has been asked before...but if not, here you go. It would seem that Russia and China (the biggies) and many more countries hate the good old US of A. If the whole twin towers and building 7 thing was bullshit...wouldn't China's and Russia's top scientists/engineers etc etc all be slinging shit at the US of A to make them look bad? Has this ever happened? If not...why not?

Sorry mate, I'm not qualified to answer that question of yours.
However, I assume its along the same lines of Aussie, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, US etc etc not liasing or providing more details of the missing MH370...... when they all had primary radar capabilities or over the horizon radar etc..... None have been forthcoming and sharing their tech secrets have they?

Also, why were the biggies not forthcoming with the alleged weapons of mass destruction that never eventuated either???? They were silent about that too weren't they?

All playing the game of NWO I assume...???

Like I said, fucked if I know.

[bogan]

So if it converted to copious amounts of heat, how could there be people standing in the open 'wounds' of the building waving for help? And why did the towers last as long as they did before they fell down??

Burn rate; basically, the planes had enough energy in them to complete the structural destabilisation and subsequent destruction of both towers. Now we could debate for days on the technicalities of whether that is exactly what happened; but it seems irrelevant if you have building number 7 as a smoking gun evidence. Which if you do, you should be able to point out what the excuse for it falling was supposed to be, why it didn't occur, and why it had to be knocked down; as well as proof that explosives did it

[Brian d marge]

Sorry to disappoint you there dude.
I do understand that there are bad things that happen for pathetic reasons. I certainly don't need conspiracies to reassure myself of a higher power. I for one do not believe in any higher power at all. Period.
I certainly don't buy into the belief that there are random terrorists doing shit because they can. Most events on the world stage have been known to be fabricated by governments, hellbent on trying to persuade their citizens to believe in their strategies and objectives.

...and I certainly do not believe in chem trails.......... :no:

I simply don't take the governments spiel as truth.

As an example - look at the Campbell live episode about the GCSB last week - Key was infact a lying c@nt! and has now been caught out!
That is what I am referring to. Bullshit excuses and no accountability from those in power.
No nut job present here....

I agree , I dont go around worrying about it , but I am prepared ( not for a mad a-rab attack) for an earthquake or tsunami BOTH are a VERY real possiblity here .

As part of getting prepared , along the way I discovered minamalist camping , archery and beer making and also gardening All of which i didnt really know about and now enjoy

Now when I first arrived in NZ back in the 70s it was a great place , but when I returned in 91 it had REALLY changed ( just returned from another visit and american food values have taken its toll)

not conspiricy ......just weak governments , ill informed people and pressure and marketing by large corporates

As for the Twin towers , roughly 10 Tj COULD have been released IF ALL the fuel vapourised in an instant , thats roughly the same energy as the international space station hitting the tower

but low carbon steel will yield then have a large plastic period before *snapping* and that changes if you add heat

you didnt even see that type of failure in Hiroshima which had an instant energy release of ovew 60 TJ


Stephen

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53953000/jpg/_53953950_hirosh.jpg


Dem da facts them are.

[Kickaha]

Hang about, one of those 'witnesses' contradicts the official south corridor of the planes flightpath.... :facepalm::shutup:

OMIGOD, you've just proved the conspiracy because that "one" eyewitness you've mentioned that contradicts all the others must be the only one that isn't a Goverment plant and must be totally reliable
:facepalm:

[Katman]

....but it seems irrelevant if you have building number 7 as a smoking gun evidence. Which if you do, you should be able to point out what the excuse for it falling was supposed to be, why it didn't occur, and why it had to be knocked down; as well as proof that explosives did it

You should have a really good read of this page.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-15/911-mysterious-collapse-wtc-building-7-was-not-inside-job

[Ocean1]

Burn rate; basically, the planes had enough energy in them to complete the structural destabilisation and subsequent destruction of both towers. Now we could debate for days on the technicalities of whether that is exactly what happened; but it seems irrelevant if you have building number 7 as a smoking gun evidence. Which if you do, you should be able to point out what the excuse for it falling was supposed to be, why it didn't occur, and why it had to be knocked down; as well as proof that explosives did it

And exactly how impossibly huge is the coincidence that it was destroyed immediately after the towers were, having been planed at least weeks beforehand, from a completely different cause.

[Ocean1]

Well that would depend on whether you buy the official story of the collapse of Building 7.

No it doesn't. Only an idiot would point to agreement between a govt and their advisors as proof of complicity in a conspiracy.


I don't think the government accepted NIST's advice.

I think they told NIST what NIST's advice would be.

And that depends on your belief that there was a conspiracy. Perfect circular logic.

[Katman]

No it doesn't. Only an idiot would point to agreement between a govt and their advisors as proof of complicity in a conspiracy.


But any agreement between a government and their advisors can hardly be considered as totally impartial.

[scrivy]

You mean the office fires on ten stories of the building that burned for 7 hours?

So using that analogy, why didn't building 6 come down after it lost its entire centre? :shifty:

[scrivy]

How does one explain the 5 Israelis filming the event and dancing with joy??
How did they know it was going to happen.....???

Why was their van packed with explosives?
Why were they allowed to leave the US?
:whistle::corn:

[R650R]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11263878

http://static.navaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/SSBN-Yury-Dolgoruky-to-Finish-Acceptance-Trials.jpg

[oldrider]

How does one explain the 5 Israelis filming the event and dancing with joy??
How did they know it was going to happen.....???

Why was their van packed with explosives?
Why were they allowed to leave the US?
:whistle::corn:

Who benefited most out of the war on terror? And why is it that when Israel says jump ... America asks how high? :confused: Real conspiracy material! :shifty:

[scrivy]

Anyhoo.... back on track.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/10097534/MH370-Pings-not-from-black-box

Well there's a fucken surprise I didn't see coming......:facepalm::shutup:;)

Didn't the Chinese also detect a 'ping' that was unrelated to the others detection???

How could the pros get it so wrong??

Diversion anyone??? (No, I'm not saying its a conspiracy...... fuck yas) :bleh:

[scrivy]

Who benefited most out of the war on terror? And why is it that when Israel says jump ... America asks how high? :confused: Real conspiracy material! :shifty:

No conspiracy there.... just known fact.

[Ocean1]

But any agreement between a government and their advisors can hardly be considered as totally impartial.


So, unless government advice to the public disagrees with their specialists' brief it's bullshit? :laugh:

[Katman]

So, unless government advice to the public disagrees with their specialists' brief it's bullshit? :laugh:

It is when the public can see with their own eyes that a story is bullshit.

Did you read through the link in post #832?

[mashman]

Did you read through the link in post #832?

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme... read indeed... gold

[Ocean1]

It is when the public can see with their own eyes that a story is bullshit.

Did you read through the link in post #832?

Now why would I do that, when anyone can see the vast majority of conspiracy theories are bullshit?

Bored now.

[Katman]

Now why would I do that, when anyone can see the vast majority of conspiracy theories are bullshit?

Bored now.

At least you've come to the realisation that not all conspiracy theories are bullshit. We must be getting somewhere.

Go on, have a read - you might learn something.

[Laava]

Did you read through the link in post #832?

I did. A lot of interesting comments from 'experts' and a lot of comments from 'a person'.
Also had this to say,

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 18:39 | Ginsengbull

Thermite isn't used for demolition. It's used for welding.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 15:13 | malek

The amount of ignorance displayed in those "expert" statements is breathtaking.

1. No one even mentions, much less takes into account in any way, that the WTC twin towers were built on a different construction principle with a strong outer wall and a center core but no load bearing vertical pillars in-between.
I know from looking at construction plans that the same was true for WTC-7.

2. Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity.
No one mentions that large parts of the WTC twin towers were bolted together pieces of steel.
If you take your time to look at films and photos during the construction, you can see that the number of bolts holding together outer wall vertical beams was rather low. The result is that those bolts can fail long before the tensile strength of the pieces it is holding together is exceeded.
A very convincing confirmation is the fact that photos show punched out pieces of the outer wall lying on the ground, after the airplane impact but before any tower collapsed. That would never have been possible if the building steel was completely welded together or a large number of rivets or bolts had been used. One photo, but there are better ones: http://cryptome.org/info/wtc-punch/wtc-punch.htm
This was only possible because of the relatively weak bolt connections within the outer wall.
(Up to this day, I have no concise information of how the inner core columns were held together, or how much or little construction of WTC-7 differed from the twin towers. But it is reasonable to assume that construction of WTC-7 was not very different, though.)

3. Molten steel on the ground, or red-glowing pieces, many weeks after collapse:
What exactly does this confirm?
That the fuel did put a lot of heat into the steel?
That the collapse of a 1360 ft high building converts a lot of potential energy into heat, not all necessarily emitted into pulverizing pieces or warming up air?
*If* this is interpreted to confirm existence of Thermite or other demolition agents, how much of those agents must have been present to create such heat? Is the calculated amount even feasible?

So unless someone starts putting together a picture that doesn't willfully ignore such crucial questions, I can only yawn.


I haven't finished reading yet though. There are shitloads of links

[Katman]

Well of course - who could ever doubt the credentials of a Ginsengbull or a malek?

That's me converted.

[Zarkov]

It is when the public can see with their own eyes that a story is bullshit.

Did you read through the link in post #832?

You talk about the public as if they agree with you.

But the fact is you belong to a tiny minority who, thanks to the internet can communicate with each other.

[R650R]

If you watch the original PBS documentary on Building the Towers and look at the blueprints which have since been released you can see that the twin towers had massive steel core columns, also the outer mesh structure was carefully designed and no one piece was the same.
The thermite story is another false plant and deliberate red herring. Even with the suspicious behaviour in the towers in the weeks beforehand I think it wasn't humanely possible to install thermite cutter charges in the right places in a short period of time. Any number of possible emergency or repair scenrios in the weeks before could have resulted in the charges being discovered so just like the fake pentagon plane angle its too much risk to be possible.
The towers were demolished in some way but I think it was with some kind of new directed energy weapon technology that we are not publicly aware of yet.
In the rubble there should have been plenty of relatively intact upper floors after a 'pancake collapse'. If its the steel bolts that failed the rebar concrete floors should have stayed relatively intact.

Also we must remember these towers were built in a time when men had real pride in their workmanship and just like today inspectors would have to have signed off on various stages. And in such a litigious nation there's no way a building would have been allowed to be constructed if its design was so vulnerable that it could fail after a 1 hour fire. Ever since the WWII bomber flew into the empire state building in fog they have designed skyscapers to survive being hit by a plane also...

[Laava]

Well of course - who could ever doubt the credentials of a Ginsengbull or a malek?

That's me converted.

Hey cunt, all I did was quote part of the link you provided. Red repping me makes you look like an even bigger cock.

[Laava]

but fuck. what do engineers know..

Exactly. They are all contradicting each other all the way through.
Ask Katman if you need to know ANYTHING. He knows all apparently and is never wrong. Ask him.

[Laava]

bad day at the office love?

No, I feel good!

[Katman]

Hey cunt, all I did was quote part of the link you provided. Red repping me makes you look like an even bigger cock.

Do you need a tissue?

You put forward comments from a Gensingbull and a malek as rebuttals to those from a huge list of engineering and architectural experts (not to mention the firefighters and first responders) and you expect to be taken seriously?

The retard comment stands.

[Maha]

Hey cunt, all I did was quote part of the link you provided. Red repping me makes you look like an even bigger cock.

He told me about a year ago that he doesn't like being made to look like a mug on here, it just naturally happens sooner or late when he gets involved in any ''conspiracy'' thread.

[Katman]

He told me about a year ago that he doesn't like being made to like a mug on here, it just naturally happens sooner or late when he gets involved any ''conspiracy'' thread.

If I didn't know better I'd swear English was your second language.

It must be due to your Third Form education.

[Woodman]

Now why would I do that, when anyone can see the vast majority of conspiracy theories are bullshit?

Bored now.


Bored? Watching the TFWs grapple for "evidence" trying to prove that their must be a conspiracy is quite amusing if you ask me. The gummints that alledgedly commit these heinous crimes on their own people must love the conspiracy theorists. Even if they do manage to convince themselves what happened and they were actually right, who the fuck would believe them.

[Laava]

Do you need a tissue?

You put forward comments from a Gensingbull and a malek as rebuttals to those from a huge list of engineering and architectural experts (not to mention the firefighters and first responders) and you expect to be taken seriously?

The retard comment stands.

What a funny bitter little man! What happened? Did you love a bad boy?

[scrivy]

Bored? Watching the TFWs grapple for "evidence" trying to prove that their must be a conspiracy is quite amusing if you ask me. The gummints that alledgedly commit these heinous crimes on their own people must love the conspiracy theorists. Even if they do manage to convince themselves what happened and they were actually right, who the fuck would believe them.

So because we don't agree with or believe the gooberments line, I'm a fuck wit and Katmans a cunt ?? Don't see how that works....... :wacko::rolleyes: But each unto their own I guess. I don't need to call you a fuckwit 'cause I have a different opinion to you.

Ok, so if you do have a 100% belief in the government, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction that was found in Iraq to justify the yanks going there. Because the US and UK, and France and Germany etc etc all decided that there was and went and attacked Iraq to find them. How many exactly did they find?? But the really nice thing about it is that they killed maybe up to 500,000 (many innocent) people to try to find them.
So do you think that they'd honestly give a flying fuck about a few thousand plebs killed in their own country from the staged 9/11 attacks? Afterall, about 4,400 US servicemen were killed in the Iraq war, and how many in Afghanistan? About 2,300! But they all died to defend the mighty US! They all died to defend their homeland from the bastard terrorists...... (insert a Tui ad here......) or maybe just so corporate America can make Billions/Trillions from the global war on terror.

So again, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction they found in Iraq.
If you don't believe that story, then why should you believe the 9/11 events they have spun?

[Kickaha]

So because we don't agree with or believe the gooberments line, I'm a fuck wit and Katmans a cunt ??

NO No no, you're a fuckwit regardless of whether you do or don't belive the gooberments line and Katman is a cunt anyway
(cept for when I'm in Taupo and he lends me shit in which case he's a top bloke)

[Akzle]

So again, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction they found in Iraq.
If you don't believe that story, then why should you believe the 9/11 events they have spun?

yeah, those cunning arabs hid them underneath kindergartens and hospitals...
Oh fuck. Wait on.
Heil zion!

[ellipsis]

...some people wouldn't know they were being fucked in the arse until they coughed...

...some people just like being fucked in the arse...

...some people just wipe it once day and get on with life...

...some people would not even grasp the concept of what being fucked in the arse, is...

...all of the above walk amongst us...(this is not a gender specific thing)...

[Woodman]

So because we don't agree with or believe the gooberments line, I'm a fuck wit and Katmans a cunt ?? Don't see how that works....... :wacko::rolleyes: But each unto their own I guess. I don't need to call you a fuckwit 'cause I have a different opinion to you.

Ok, so if you do have a 100% belief in the government, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction that was found in Iraq to justify the yanks going there. Because the US and UK, and France and Germany etc etc all decided that there was and went and attacked Iraq to find them. How many exactly did they find?? But the really nice thing about it is that they killed maybe up to 500,000 (many innocent) people to try to find them.
So do you think that they'd honestly give a flying fuck about a few thousand plebs killed in their own country from the staged 9/11 attacks? Afterall, about 4,400 US servicemen were killed in the Iraq war, and how many in Afghanistan? About 2,300! But they all died to defend the mighty US! They all died to defend their homeland from the bastard terrorists...... (insert a Tui ad here......) or maybe just so corporate America can make Billions/Trillions from the global war on terror.

So again, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction they found in Iraq.
If you don't believe that story, then why should you believe the 9/11 events they have spun?

Can't see anywhere in my post where I called anyone a fuckwit or a cunt. Can't see how you could even draw that conclusion.

My amusement in these threads is the conspiracy theorists themselves. That is all.

[scrivy]

Can't see anywhere in my post where I called anyone a fuckwit or a cunt. Can't see how you could even draw that conclusion.

My amusement in these threads is the conspiracy theorists themselves. That is all.

So is a TFW not a fuckwit?
Cunt was more aimed towards Laava and Katman.

I don't consider myself a conspiracy believer, just someone that wants to make up my own mind from all the facts.
I don't believe that no planes hit the twin towers, or that a powerful weapon destroyed the towers etc... that's certainly crazy shit...

[oldrider]

So because we don't agree with or believe the gooberments line, I'm a fuck wit and Katmans a cunt ?? Don't see how that works....... :wacko::rolleyes: But each unto their own I guess. I don't need to call you a fuckwit 'cause I have a different opinion to you.

Ok, so if you do have a 100% belief in the government, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction that was found in Iraq to justify the yanks going there. Because the US and UK, and France and Germany etc etc all decided that there was and went and attacked Iraq to find them. How many exactly did they find?? But the really nice thing about it is that they killed maybe up to 500,000 (many innocent) people to try to find them.
So do you think that they'd honestly give a flying fuck about a few thousand plebs killed in their own country from the staged 9/11 attacks? Afterall, about 4,400 US servicemen were killed in the Iraq war, and how many in Afghanistan? About 2,300! But they all died to defend the mighty US! They all died to defend their homeland from the bastard terrorists...... (insert a Tui ad here......) or maybe just so corporate America can make Billions/Trillions from the global war on terror.

So again, can you please show me just one weapon of mass destruction they found in Iraq.
If you don't believe that story, then why should you believe the 9/11 events they have spun?

Saddam Hussein! :yes:

[Woodman]

TFW = Tinfoil Hat Wearer.

[Brian d marge]

...some people wouldn't know they were being fucked in the arse until they coughed...

...some people just like being fucked in the arse...

...some people just wipe it once day and get on with life...

...some people would not even grasp the concept of what being fucked in the arse, is...

...all of the above walk amongst us...(this is not a gender specific thing)...

Tried it on the wife , even showed her videos ,,,,but na she aint takin it

damn

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Saddam Hussein! :yes: I thought he was doing quite well until the popular opinion went agast him

stephen

[Ocean1]

Bored? Watching the TFWs grapple for "evidence" trying to prove that their must be a conspiracy is quite amusing if you ask me.

Nah, it's all pretty old and predictable.

Read this: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/answering-conspiracy-theorists/ or you're obviously not serious about learning shit.

[scrivy]

TFW = Tinfoil Hat Wearer.

Oh, my bad I thought it was Total Fuck Wit.....

[jonbuoy]

911, MH370 its all part of the same conspiracy :eek5:


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdaYvDyBeLk

[Katman]

Read this.....or you're obviously not serious about learning shit.

That's hilarious coming from someone who only a few posts ago stated he couldn't be fucked reading a link supplied.

[scrivy]

Nah, it's all pretty old and predictable.

Read this: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/answering-conspiracy-theorists/ or you're obviously not serious about learning shit.

Each unto their own......
There have been many many verified conspiracy theories, and some even uncovered by US congressmen... maybe they're TFW too??

US Conspiracys or cover-ups that have been verified:
Operation PBSUCCESS was a CIA-organized covert operation that overthrew the democratically-elected President of Guatemala,Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in 1954.

Bay of Pigs invasion - Cuban expatriates backed by the U.S. government attempted to invade Cuba at Cuba's Bay of Pigs in the Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961.

Operation Northwoods was the code name for various proposals for false flag actions, including domestic terror attacks on U.S. soil, proposed in 1962 by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders.

Gulf of Tonkin incident - On August 4, 1964, North Vietnamese ships had allegedly attacked US destroyers, in what has come to be known as the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which led to Lyndon B. Johnson to drastically increase troop levels in Vietnam. On November 30, 2005, theNational Security Archive released hundreds of pages of documents revealing that President Johnson was shown only selective intelligence and that the August 4th attack in all likelihood never occurred.

USS LIBERTY - Attack on USS Liberty (AGTR-5) LBJ called back rescue planes TWICE after Radio operator found a workaround jamming and called to carrier group for mayday. Israel used unmarked planes and boats to twice attack U.S.Navy listening post ship; jamming American radio channels as a "no flag"/false flag operation. Ruled officially a accident but some largely symbolic reparations were paid. Official coverup continues. The purpose was allegedly to suggest an attack on US by Egypt, in an attempt to get USA involved in the war, fighting on the Israeli side.

Watergate scandal - Grand conspiracy involving the President of the United States.
The Iran-Contra Affair (also known as "Irangate") was a mid-1980s political scandal in the United States. President Ronald Reagan's administration sold arms to Iran, an avowed enemy.
The CIA Had Nayirah al-Sabah Bear False Witness to the atrocities being acted by Iraqi soldiers.
Operation Mockingbird - The CIA funded operation, its first and principle assignment was to influence national media. The operation became so widespread that the CIA started influencing international media and even international politics.

....and many many many more.....

It's interesting to note that the CIA was involved in all these events. So if they have succeeded in the past to overthrow governments and to go to war with various countries using fabricated evidence, why do you not even slightly contemplate that 9/11 could also be fabricated?? Just asking.

Because of all the lies perpetuated by the US in the past, I simply cannot believe that 9/11 was done by 'terrorists'. I'm no conspiracy theorist - just going on factual history.
The ramifications to the US economy (or more importantly the US corporations) from the ensuing wars, was an ample enough justification for fabricating 9/11.

[oldrider]

911, MH370 its all part of the same conspiracy :eek5:

Yeah ... how would we know! :confused: I think there may be more of them (unacounted for) about us than we realise! :shit: especially here on KB!

[Shaun Harris]

911, MH370 its all part of the same conspiracy :eek5:


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdaYvDyBeLk








exactually man, the Americans know exactually where this plane wreck is and how it happened, just like 9/11

[R650R]

For those that haven't seen it, non conspiracy just pure doco on construction, wortha watch either way.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPxqR8SNSCU

[Ocean1]

That's hilarious coming from someone who only a few posts ago stated he couldn't be fucked reading a link supplied.

You didn't read it, did you?

A) how can you know the data's incorrect if you didn't read it, and

B) if you had read it you'd be an idiot to post that reply.

[scrivy]

You didn't read it, did you?

A) how can you know the data's incorrect if you didn't read it, and

B) if you had read it you'd be an idiot to post that reply.

Oh, oh.... pick me, pick me... I read it......
Where's my chocolate fish???? :oi-grr:

[Ocean1]

There have been many many verified conspiracy theories,

At which point they're not theories, are they?


I'm no conspiracy theorist -

Dude, if you've got a theory about a conspiracy then you're a conspiracy theorist.

You can plug away at it forever if you want, but the fact is almost all of the theories bouncing around teh internets are utter bollox. Mostly thin and contrived bollox. The ones that turn into historical conspiracy facts are the ones where that happens almost immediately. Years later? Forget it, no chance.

[imdying]

You didn't read it, did you?

A) how can you know the data's incorrect if you didn't read it, and

B) if you had read it you'd be an idiot to post that reply.Ooooh, so you think you're clever to do ya! Well then, complete the sentence:

"Katman is to conspiracy threads, as Edbear is to xxxxxxxx threads."

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ooooh, so you think you're clever to do ya! Well then, complete the sentence:

"Katman is to conspiracy threads, as Edbear is to xxxxxxxx threads."

Gay pride????

[scrivy]

At which point they're not theories, are they?
They are conspiracy theories or cover ups until proven correct. The people that made the claims of conspiracies had their theories, and then they were uncovered as truth, so are no longer conspiracies, but rather proof of a coverup.


Dude, if you'fe got a theory about a conspiracy then you're a conspiracy theorist.

You can plug away at it forever if you want, but the fact is almost all of the theories bouncing around teh internets are utter bollox. Mostly thin and contrived bollox. The ones that turn into historical conspiracy facts are the ones where that happens almost immediately. Years later? Forget it, no chance.

I hear what ya saying, I guess since I don't believe the official gooberment line - that therefore makes me a conspiracy theorist by default....
As I said before, going on past documented US history, I do not believe the 9/11 scenario that they spiel.

Oh, and as for conspiracies proved true years later....
The Gulf of Tonkin incident was proven 41 years later....
The existence of Operation Northwoods was proven 35 years later....
Operation Mockingbird was proven 24 years later....

See, that's the great thing about governments, they withhold crucial evidence and summary from events until most of the players are dead, so they can't be held accountable.
I gather we'll probably hear the truth about JFK at some stage too..... the Act requires the records to be publicly disclosed in full, and be available in the collection no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of enactment of the Act - October 26, 2017.. We'll see eh?! But don't hold ya breath....
Unless you don't believe that LHO was the lone gunman......?? But that would make you a conspi.... nah, I'll stop there...... :lol: Wouldn't wanna make a believer out of ya.... :rolleyes:

[bogan]

Ooooh, so you think you're clever to do ya! Well then, complete the sentence:

"Katman is to conspiracy threads, as Edbear is to xxxxxxxx threads."

Are not the 'x's simply wildcard characters?

also, relevant?

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8202812672/hDE7F57FE/

[scrivy]

also, relevant?



See, I don't believe in those theories.... Maybe you need to talk to someone who wants to run NZ - Colin Craig...

[scrivy]

Anyone come up with those hidden WMD in Iraq yet?? :wait:

:blink:

Only about 500,000 people died as a result of them....

Surely you can find just one to justify Bush's and Blair's war efforts.....???

I'd hate to think they went to war for nothing...... :shutup::innocent::shit:

[scrivy]

If you can't find just one WMD, does that mean my theory of the war on terror isn't a conspiracy theory afterall then??

Got me fuked...

Now I don't know if I should be wearing a tin foil hat or not....... :whistle::facepalm::lol:

[YellowDog]

Anyone come up with those hidden WMD in Iraq yet?? :wait:

Everyone knows that the WMDs were cardboard cut outs of tanks.

A few thousand $20,000 bombs and they were decimated. That showed them!

Back on topic. This entire scenario is really very sad indeed. Though we joke and create potential scenarios, we don't really know any of the facts and many people have been left heartbroken and clinging onto 'very little hope at all':

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8852766/mh370-nz-passengers-wife-clings-to-hope

[scrivy]

Back on topic. This entire scenario is really very sad indeed. Though we joke and create potential scenarios, we don't really know any of the facts and many people have been left heartbroken and clinging onto 'very little hope at all':


Yip, it's sad alright.
I have hope that the plane is intact and has landed somewhere - as no epirbs were activated....
But, saying that, I don't have hope for the passengers if that scenario was found to be correct.

[imdying]

Gay pride????


Are not the 'x's simply wildcard characters?

Chocolate fish all round :D

[oldrider]

Anyone come up with those hidden WMD in Iraq yet?? :wait:

:blink:

Only about 500,000 people died as a result of them....

Surely you can find just one to justify (Bush's and Blair's on behalf of) Israel's war efforts.....???

I'd hate to think they went to war for nothing...... :shutup::innocent::shit: Well they did and have been for many years, always ask, who benefits most? :shifty:

Like who had the most to gain out of 9/11 and a fired up vengful American/Anglo/Western outraged world kicking Arab arse?

Classic little dog stirring the shit for the big dogs to sort out! :rolleyes: Who me? :innocent:

[scrivy]

Well they did and have been for many years, always ask, who benefits most? :shifty:

Like who had the most to gain out of 9/11 and a fired up vengful American/Anglo/Western outraged world kicking Arab arse?

Classic little dog stirring the shit for the big dogs to sort out! :rolleyes: Who me? :innocent:

Oh dude, are you a conspiracy theorist too??? Don't be like that.........
Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave......

[oldrider]

Oh dude, are you a conspiracy theorist too??? Don't be like that.........
Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave......

There is a little bit of it in all of us, it keeps popping up every now and then like a latent Herpes breakout! :banana:

[Katman]

You didn't read it, did you?

A) how can you know the data's incorrect if you didn't read it, and

B) if you had read it you'd be an idiot to post that reply.

Where did I say anything about data?

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of you questioning the open mindedness of someone if they don't read a link you post - when you're not prepared to do the same in return.

[Brian d marge]

a bbc 9/11 doc
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/l8kLseX_I5Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stephen

[Berries]

I gather we'll probably hear the truth about JFK at some stage too....
He works at Four Square in Dannevirke.

[Ocean1]

He works at Four Square in Dannevirke.

Dude out back with the speech impediment?

That's Elvis.

[R650R]

http://www.sott.net/article/228696-33-Conspiracy-Theories-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-True-What-Every-Person-Should-Know

[jonbuoy]

Every significant historic event seems to have a denial or conspiracy theory attached to it. If the plan was to kill/capture a number of people onboard there would be far better ways to do it. The plane itself is of no value to a government. A government agency could easily shoot down the aircraft and later claim it was a malfunction or terrorist attack. Far easier to corrupt the crash investigation team than claim they just don't know where it is.

If they landed by remote control in Diego Garcia all they would to do is knock all the passengers and crew out that they weren't interested in take off again and crash the plane along it's expected flight path.

No one would be any the wiser - a few bodies missing from a crash at sea wouldn't be unusual. It would have disappeared from news reports and the conspiracy theorists would be none the wiser.

[scrivy]

Every significant historic event seems to have a denial or conspiracy theory attached to it. If the plan was to kill/capture a number of people onboard there would be far better ways to do it. The plane itself is of no value to a government. A government agency could easily shoot down the aircraft and later claim it was a malfunction or terrorist attack. Far easier to corrupt the crash investigation team than claim they just don't know where it is.


That would indeed be true if a 'big' nation wanted to acquire it/or hide it. But what if it was a small state that needed the plane to use for a copy cat of 9/11??
Then it could be friggin anywhere.

I still don't think it crashed.

[scrivy]

There is a little bit of it in all of us, it keeps popping up every now and then like a latent Herpes breakout! :banana:

I'm tuning in tonight for some more conspiracy theories.............. should be able to detect heaps more bullshit now.....
297494

[nodrog]

http://funatphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/aOqpr3N_700b_v1.jpg

[scrivy]

Now we'll never find it............
297497

Fecken Wally!!

[nodrog]

http://cdn.radiolive.co.nz/radiolive/AM/2014/3/18/41239/courtney-love-mh370.jpg?width=620

[jonbuoy]

That would indeed be true if a 'big' nation wanted to acquire it/or hide it. But what if it was a small state that needed the plane to use for a copy cat of 9/11??
Then it could be friggin anywhere.

I still don't think it crashed.

You can buy them - you don't have to steal them complete with passengers. As a flying bomb a cargo version would be better.

[nodrog]

You can buy them - you don't have to steal them complete with passengers. As a flying bomb a cargo version would be better.

They cost money.

[awa355]

This morning. The search is going to be handed over to private enterprise.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/10108231/Let-me-find-MH370-Kiwi-says

[scrivy]

You can buy them - you don't have to steal them complete with passengers. As a flying bomb a cargo version would be better.

Yeah you could buy them..... but thats only half the fun as compared to stealing one.... then sending the worlds superpowers on a witch hunt for it....
Besides, Afghani rebels or Paki millitants couldn't afford a 777, nor would Boeing or the like sell one to them......

Watch out for a 777 with 'hand painted' markings on it being flown into a tall building somewhere..... with the radio sqwauking 'ALA AKABA'..........

:crazy::lol:

[scrivy]

But RR did get a download or info on how long the engines ran anyway. So that tells us the system is built in anyway and always working its just they don't disclose to the non paying airline the data if they don't subscribe.
With the money these things are worth and how cheap data storage is you can bet there is a harddrive at RR HQ with EVERYTHING those two engines have ever done.

An hourly 'ping' doesn't really portray the readings that RR had on their screen (in that video clip) of any engine in 'real time' - which they could in turn relay onto ground maintenance crews at their next destination....
If RR have a more frequent relay time than 1 hour, then they surely could have detected the engine spool up or down when the 777 changed flight levels? To prove it did happen? What's more, they'd also have the engine shutdown data also??? Eg. spooled down due to no fuel, or standard shutdown procedure, after the plane had taxied to a stop??

Fecked if I'd know, but surely the data was still being transmitted even though MA didn't subscribe to the service???:shifty:

[oldrider]

Fecked if I'd know, but surely the data was still being transmitted even though MA didn't subscribe to the service???:shifty:

Have to agree regards this aspect ... it really does cause my Herpes outbreak to itch soooo bad that the relief creams won't work! :no:

RR internal staff must be asking some very embarrasing questions when they compile and annalise their own data from these engines! :confused:

Their professional lips must be sealed really really tight! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ? :shifty:

[jonbuoy]

Yeah you could buy them..... but thats only half the fun as compared to stealing one.... then sending the worlds superpowers on a witch hunt for it....
Besides, Afghani rebels or Paki millitants couldn't afford a 777, nor would Boeing or the like sell one to them......

Watch out for a 777 with 'hand painted' markings on it being flown into a tall building somewhere..... with the radio sqwauking 'ALA AKABA'..........

:crazy::lol:

True but there are some cheaper old airliners kicking around Africa that could do just as much damage. If this was a government conspiracy it's a pretty badly executed one. Now the Air France crash crash from a few years ago - that could have been well planned. Any real government conspiracies are probably so well planned we don't even suspect them. The tin foil hatters are looking in the wrong places.

[Brian d marge]

True but there are some cheaper old airliners kicking around Africa that could do just as much damage. If this was a government conspiracy it's a pretty badly executed one. Now the Air France crash crash from a few years ago - that could have been well planned. Any real government conspiracies are probably so well planned we don't even suspect them. The tin foil hatters are looking in the wrong places.

Kennedy
Have u dealt with government dept
They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery


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[jonbuoy]

Kennedy
Have u dealt with government dept
They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery


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Which one is it then? Governments have been secretly conspiring against us leaving very little hard evidence or governments couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery?

[R650R]

Which one is it then? Governments have been secretly conspiring against us leaving very little hard evidence or governments couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery?

This tired line is always trotted out. When people claim a conspiracy it doesn't mean the whole govt is in on it. And we've all seen the line a hundred times in cop and military movies, info is on a need to know basis.
So it only takes a few people following orders like good germans were for someone at the top to be enacting a bigger more devious operation.
And even if good people at lower or higher levels become aware something is up people know the price whistleblowers pay and how easy it is to discredit someone with right backup.

Take a look at the Rainbow Warrior incident. A clear proven example of a (foreign) govt attack.
Now did the whole French govt vote on it or know it was going to happen, likely not. Who would have known, prob someone high in defence dept and maybe the pm???
We were lucky the French were so sloppy with that one and got caught. And also this was back when the media was a lot more free and independent than it is now.
If that happened in todays world they would prob phone up Key and let him know whats about to go down on his patch and promise to buy a few million kgs of milk powder as compensation.
The media would all get a pre scripted release from the right person in police dept that XXX is likely suspect. A few key people would use a variety of reasons to make sure cops and navy staffing at lowest levels possible etc.
A waterproof passport bearing the identity of XXX would be found at scene etc

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/stories/nuclear/nuclear-012.jpg?itok=TpyDbBv0

[jonbuoy]

This tired line is always trotted out. When people claim a conspiracy it doesn't mean the whole govt is in on it. And we've all seen the line a hundred times in cop and military movies, info is on a need to know basis.
So it only takes a few people following orders like good germans were for someone at the top to be enacting a bigger more devious operation.
And even if good people at lower or higher levels become aware something is up people know the price whistleblowers pay and how easy it is to discredit someone with right backup.

Take a look at the Rainbow Warrior incident. A clear proven example of a (foreign) govt attack.
Now did the whole French govt vote on it or know it was going to happen, likely not. Who would have known, prob someone high in defence dept and maybe the pm???
We were lucky the French were so sloppy with that one and got caught. And also this was back when the media was a lot more free and independent than it is now.
If that happened in todays world they would prob phone up Key and let him know whats about to go down on his patch and promise to buy a few million kgs of milk powder as compensation.
The media would all get a pre scripted release from the right person in police dept that XXX is likely suspect. A few key people would use a variety of reasons to make sure cops and navy staffing at lowest levels possible etc.
A waterproof passport bearing the identity of XXX would be found at scene etc

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/stories/nuclear/nuclear-012.jpg?itok=TpyDbBv0


If you want to deliberately crash an airliner wouldn't it make sense not to turn it into
one of the biggest aviation mysteries in history? Rainbow warrior was never made to look like an accident was it?

[oldrider]

I personally was pleased that the rainbow warrior was sunk but I was pissed with the smartarse French for doing it in our country! Cunts! :spanking:

[awayatc]

However did "it", did a very good job at it.......

so bloody fuckn good that nobody has a clue what happened

let alone where...

or even why....

very fuckn clever

[R650R]

If you want to deliberately crash an airliner wouldn't it make sense not to turn it into
one of the biggest aviation mysteries in history?

The problem was people spoke out at opportune moments and blew their cover story.
You can't say a couple of Iranians of country X has the plane if suddenly the Malaysian airforce is saying WTF the plane flew the opposite way and then RR popped up saying the engines were still running 7 hours later...
Then the Dutch airforce intercepted the 'replacement' plane headed to the nuke summit with f-16s and diverted it...
There's been other potential false flag events stopped like this where the alternative media kicked up a bit of noise and the perps couldn't act as they were being watched etc...

[jonbuoy]

The problem was people spoke out at opportune moments and blew their cover story.
You can't say a couple of Iranians of country X has the plane if suddenly the Malaysian airforce is saying WTF the plane flew the opposite way and then RR popped up saying the engines were still running 7 hours later...
Then the Dutch airforce intercepted the 'replacement' plane headed to the nuke summit with f-16s and diverted it...
There's been other potential false flag events stopped like this where the alternative media kicked up a bit of noise and the perps couldn't act as they were being watched etc...

What are you talking about? Limpet mines were used when it was alongside it was never going to be mistaken for an accident. I´m not sure what the rest of your post means? Can you clarify what "nuke summit and replacement plane" are you referring to?

It still looks more like it was designed to hurt Malaysian Airlines themselves. Go to the 2 year share price chart.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-19/malaysian-air-falls-most-since-1998-amid-bankruptcy-concerns.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=3786.KL+Interactive

[R650R]

This woman sounds like a bit of a "responsible meth user" with her claim

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11267294

How the hell could you mistake a burning airliner for a meteor???
If she even thought it was remotely a chance of real emergency perfectly fine and normal to call a mayday and let the authorities decide. For example in HB we have dimwits all the time calling police saying they have seen emergency flares when they are only Chinese lanterns yet they don't get fined for lack of knowledge.
And if the plane was burning like that surely one of the crew on plane would have been broadcasting a mayday...

Think this is a planted story leading up to the authorities "finding" something...

[Paul in NZ]

This woman sounds like a bit of a "responsible meth user" with her claim

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11267294

How the hell could you mistake a burning airliner for a meteor???
If she even thought it was remotely a chance of real emergency perfectly fine and normal to call a mayday and let the authorities decide. For example in HB we have dimwits all the time calling police saying they have seen emergency flares when they are only Chinese lanterns yet they don't get fined for lack of knowledge.
And if the plane was burning like that surely one of the crew on plane would have been broadcasting a mayday...

Think this is a planted story leading up to the authorities "finding" something...

Well if you saw something whizzing through the sky trailing smoke you may not think 'golly theres a burning airliner' you would instead think, 'whats that?' and probably you would think of a meteor first as they do feature regularly in news articles. Since the is a very small chance you would actually see either of these things in a lifetime you wouldn't exactly have much of a visual library to work from.

People don't see motorcycles or other cars that are actually there because they are not expecting them to be there. Telling yourself its a meteor and then being sure it IS a meteor isnt too much of a leap...

[rickstv]

The female sailor in the news article may have been suffering lack of sleep or bloody good eyesight to see a smoke trail behind a burning plane at 1 am in the dark.<_<

Rick.

[Paul in NZ]

The female sailor in the news article may have been suffering lack of sleep or bloody good eyesight to see a smoke trail behind a burning plane at 1 am in the dark.<_<

Rick.

Thats true - I've seen some pretty terrible things at 1am myself...

[scrivy]

The female sailor in the news article may have been suffering lack of sleep or bloody good eyesight to see a smoke trail behind a burning plane at 1 am in the dark.<_<

Rick.

Nah, she's spot on!
I've seen some smoking hot things at 1:00am, only to be confronted by steaming piles of wreckage and debris in the morning..... with leakage everywhere...... :facepalm::whistle:

[YellowDog]

So a sudden death in the family forces an unscheduled and barely affordable trip back to the UK :o

So who's got he best deals around at the moment?

At $1,123 each way, Malaysia Air wins. Fly out Sunday night and feel I am with the safest airline :yes:

[R650R]

So a sudden death in the family forces an unscheduled and barely affordable trip back to the UK :o

So who's got he best deals around at the moment?

At $1,123 each way, Malaysia Air wins. Fly out Sunday night and feel I am with the safest airline :yes:

Just to be on the safe side though you need to post a pic of yourself and a tub of Vaseline so when you go missing no one can claim you couldn't have hidden your iphone and sent help message ;P

Not a bad price there, last time I flew Cathay Pacific were the cheapest out of the safe airlines but stingy with the inflight booze... Safe travels.

[YellowDog]

Just to be on the safe side though you need to post a pic of yourself and a tub of Vaseline so when you go missing no one can claim you couldn't have hidden your iphone and sent help message ;P

Not a bad price there, last time I flew Cathay Pacific were the cheapest out of the safe airlines but stingy with the inflight booze... Safe travels.

Seen the video..... Best avoided :yes:

[Brian d marge]

I flew air new zealand last month from japan great service and the price after oil surcharge was near enough the same it was cheaper with stop overs bit not by much

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[YellowDog]

I flew air new zealand last month from japan great service and the price after oil surcharge was near enough the same it was cheaper with stop overs bit not by much

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I had an excellent AirNZ flight from LA a few years back. They're not my first choice though :no:

[Brian d marge]

Areoflot

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[MVnut]

So a $5m reward for info leading to finding plane/what happened.....a nice gesture but nowhere near enough money for an informer (plus family) to 'disappear' sufficiently for ever, including paying off a heap of 'helpers'.......they're gonna need ten times that at least for someone to risk coming forward

[mashman]

So a $5m reward for info leading to finding plane/what happened.....a nice gesture but nowhere near enough money for an informer (plus family) to 'disappear' sufficiently for ever, including paying off a heap of 'helpers'.......they're gonna need ten times that at least for someone to risk coming forward

Looks like the NZer could do with it. (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/kiwi-oil-rig-worker-mike-mckay-fired-for-reporting-his-sighting-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-on-fire/story-fnizu68q-1226947503808)

[MVnut]

Looks like the NZer could do with it. (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/kiwi-oil-rig-worker-mike-mckay-fired-for-reporting-his-sighting-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-on-fire/story-fnizu68q-1226947503808)

yes another innocent punished for coming forward......whatever happened $5m is not much money to safely start a new life somewhere

[Maki]

"The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was shot down during a joint Thai-US military training exercise and then the subject of an elaborate international cover-up – according to a book released about the lost plane that has caused anger among the relatives of those on board."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-shot-down-in-military-training-exercise-claims-first-book-released-about-lost-jet-9391964.html

Consider this. Why would Australia devote huge resources on a wild goose chase in the southern Indian Ocean?

[Naki Rat]

Looks like the NZer could do with it. (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/kiwi-oil-rig-worker-mike-mckay-fired-for-reporting-his-sighting-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-on-fire/story-fnizu68q-1226947503808)Pretty typical of the (especially offshore) oil exploration industry. In return for the 'rock star wages' the employers consider they own their workers and the sort of independent initiative that this guy exhibited isn't appreciated. The oil industry is a very close community worldwide so the chances of Mike finding another job there is pretty unlikely.

[YellowDog]

So my journey was just fine and I am now in the UK. After we got remotely hijacked and controlled over to Diego Garcia, I took a boat to the Maldives and managed to make a further 2 connecting flights to complete my jounrney.

I didn't notice it before, but Malaysia Airlines has what looks from a distance to be like the US flag. Surely that's a H U G E mistake and would encourage foreign air forces to see the plane as a legitimate target?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Blondie need to re release this as flight 370.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/HBuwLjFq3XY?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[YellowDog]

Let's discredit the captain. That should throw everyone off the trail :shit:

http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8863796/mh370-captain-identified-prime-suspect

[mashman]

They've found it... in the Ukraine (http://rt.com/news/173616-malaysian-crash-ukraine-border/)

[R650R]

That should answer the question for the skeptics about why a missing plane would be handy.
Although the trigger happy Ukraine could have easily done this accidently or on purpose to blame Putin, some interesting things to note:
Putins plane recently flew this flightpath at similar time, they could have thought it was him.
Although their trying to blame Russia, Ukraine has heaps of same missle system.
Now on the conspiracy side:
It would still have been the 17/7 date over there, flight number was MH17, planes first flight was same day in 1997, and its the anniversary of the TWA800 shootdown in USA... We've seen previous false flags how the Elite love the ritual of numbers...
The flight originated from Amsterdam, and remember the dutch F16s intercepted that Malaysian "cargo" 777 that was headed straight towards the nuke summit while mh370 was missing days earlier...
Recent NATO exercises in Europe involved planes transponder signals disappearing/jammed...
The timing right when Israel underestimated the blowback of killing those Palestinian kiddies on beach, not to ention the ongoing slaughter by bombing civilian buildings. A parts company there also has a 777 in Malasian colours...
The missile system has a multi crew member setup so not just one lone trigger happy persons mistake.
As usualy the media mysteriously has all the details including what missile sytem suspiciously early in the case.
So who stands to benefit??? Only foreign countries needing a distraction from their own deeds or an excuse to bomb Russia (their trying to blame them) or to incite the muslim populations to violence (there are significant muslim populations in Russia and eastern europe)...
Highly suspect this tragedy....

[mashman]

That should answer the question for the skeptics about why a missing plane would be handy.
Although the trigger happy Ukraine could have easily done this accidently or on purpose to blame Putin, some interesting things to note:
Putins plane recently flew this flightpath at similar time, they could have thought it was him.
Although their trying to blame Russia, Ukraine has heaps of same missle system.
Now on the conspiracy side:
It would still have been the 17/7 date over there, flight number was MH17, planes first flight was same day in 1997, and its the anniversary of the TWA800 shootdown in USA... We've seen previous false flags how the Elite love the ritual of numbers...
The flight originated from Amsterdam, and remember the dutch F16s intercepted that Malaysian "cargo" 777 that was headed straight towards the nuke summit while mh370 was missing days earlier...
Recent NATO exercises in Europe involved planes transponder signals disappearing/jammed...
The timing right when Israel underestimated the blowback of killing those Palestinian kiddies on beach, not to ention the ongoing slaughter by bombing civilian buildings. A parts company there also has a 777 in Malasian colours...
The missile system has a multi crew member setup so not just one lone trigger happy persons mistake.
As usualy the media mysteriously has all the details including what missile sytem suspiciously early in the case.
So who stands to benefit??? Only foreign countries needing a distraction from their own deeds or an excuse to bomb Russia (their trying to blame them) or to incite the muslim populations to violence (there are significant muslim populations in Russia and eastern europe)...
Highly suspect this tragedy....

The Elites love their numbers? (Posted by Bd'M elsewhere)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

Looks like it's about to get worse for Palestinian kiddies (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24490033/israel-declares-ground-invasion-of-gaza/)

Aye, who benefits!

[Banditbandit]

The Elites love their numbers? (Posted by Bd'M elsewhere)




1 If she wanted to get that message out to the "Elites", why did she talk to the National Press Club in 'Merika .. are our senior journalist the elite now? Did they broadcast this speech to the world? (No!!!)

2 That's a pretty paranoid fantasy .. Numerology can be used to show many things .. not unlike trying to interpret Nostradamas

3 How can you take seriously someone who spells currency without the N ?

4 That's this Sunday - two days away ... we won't have to wait long to see that this is just bullshit !!!

[mashman]

1 If she wanted to get that message out to the "Elites", why did she talk to the National Press Club in 'Merika .. are our senior journalist the elite now? Did they broadcast this speech to the world? (No!!!)

2 That's a pretty paranoid fantasy .. Numerology can be used to show many things .. not unlike trying to interpret Nostradamas

3 How can you take seriously someone who spells currency without the N ?

4 That's this Sunday - two days away ... we won't have to wait long to see that this is just bullshit !!!

1. Something wrong with free publicity?

2. It can be used for all sorts of things.

3. :killingme... I'll make my own mind up and expect that you'll do the same.

4. Well I'll stoke the fire a little more...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr43HsfjDqY

Basically, make yer own fuckin mind up... however as they're all fuckin stupid, I don't hold out much hope that the new financial policy will make a blind bit of fuckin difference... but hey, they can dream. :D.

[ellipsis]

...will this mean I dont have to work this weekend?....

[Ocean1]

1 If she wanted to get that message out to the "Elites", why did she talk to the National Press Club in 'Merika .. are our senior journalist the elite now? Did they broadcast this speech to the world? (No!!!)

2 That's a pretty paranoid fantasy .. Numerology can be used to show many things .. not unlike trying to interpret Nostradamas

3 How can you take seriously someone who spells currency without the N ?

4 That's this Sunday - two days away ... we won't have to wait long to see that this is just bullshit !!!

Meh, the only thing he' doesn't believe are facts.

Is quite useful, sort of like a vast repository of current fallacies, if mushmate believes it then you can safely rule it out.

[mashman]

...will this mean I dont have to work this weekend?....

Sorry, I don't have her number, heh, else I'd call and find out for ya.


Meh, the only thing he' doesn't believe are facts.

Is quite useful, sort of like a vast repository of current fallacies, if mushmate believes it then you can safely rule it out.


:killingme... when you show some that are unequivocal, then I'll agree with you.

Did I say I believed it? Where? Must be great living in water world.

[Banditbandit]

3. :killingme... I'll make my own mind up and expect that you'll do the same.



I don't have to make up my mind ... just wait till Monday our time ... and it will either come true or not ...

In the meantime I won't hold my breath.

[Akzle]

post #103. nailed it.

[YellowDog]

The wife's pissed off now. She begs to differ with my statement that $200 per month on life insurance is a waste of money :(

I did that very same route on Malaysian Airways (being the safest option) just a few weeks back :weep:

[caseye]

The wife's pissed off now. She begs to differ with my statement that $200 per month on life insurance is a waste of money :(

I did that very same route on Malaysian Airways (being the safest option) just a few weeks back :weep:

Glad you are here in NZ mate, those poor poor people. Putin and his pro russian bullshit fighters should all be strung up for this, time the world got shitty with fuckwits and dealt with them the way they should have always done, a bloody tribe for an eye.

[carbonhed]

The Telegraph is reporting that the Donetsk Peoples Republic were boasting on June 29th that they'd overrun a Ukraine garrison and captured at least one of these units :-

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/east_europe/russia/missile_vehicle/sa-11_gadfly/pictures/sa-11_gadfly_anti-aircraft_missile_to_armoured_tracked_vehicle_Russi an_army_russia_002.jpg

Even posted pictures to social media of them riding around on it... those postings have since been deleted and now they claim they were fibbing.

Dunno about you guys but the image of a bunch of vodka fueled irregulars cruising around on the coolest toy they've ever had and just HAVING to find out what the big red button did... kind of rings true for me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974821/Ukrainian-separatists-suspected-of-bringing-down-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-on-Russian-border.html

[mashman]

I don't have to make up my mind ... just wait till Monday our time ... and it will either come true or not ...

In the meantime I won't hold my breath.

Furrymuff.

That makes two of us.

[scrivy]

Only a few hours to go.................:shifty:

:corn::yawn:

[YellowDog]

Nothing's changed. 278 people that were killed by a bunch of retarded know nothing morons are still dead :o

Lucky for me they hadn't worked out which button to press when I flew over a few weeks earlier.

[mashman]

Nothing's changed. 278 people that were killed by a bunch of retarded know nothing morons are still dead :o

Lucky for me they hadn't worked out which button to press when I flew over a few weeks earlier.

They're obviously smart enough not to have shot you down, else they would have had the KB Liberation Army and maybe the entire NZ defence force to contend with afterwards. We got yer back bud.

[Banditbandit]

Furrymuff.

That makes two of us.

And so - nothing changed, no big international finance crisis or changes ... Been reading Nostradamus as well have you ???

Or, like William Miller, was the calculation wrong and it's a collection of sevens on another day ?? Huh? Huh??

[mashman]

And so - nothing changed, no big international finance crisis or changes ... Been reading Nostradamus as well have you ???

Or, like William Miller, was the calculation wrong and it's a collection of sevens on another day ?? Huh? Huh??

:rofl: ahhhh yes, I hadn't considered that you were making my mind up for me let alone deciding what my thoughts on the outcome should be too. I guess it's a KB right of passage :laugh:

She said start and those fuckers play out financial policy over decades (centuries) so that the dumb fuckers that inhabit the planet don't notice what's going on and accept what they're being told as honest to goodness gospel and that there can be no other way otherwise we'd be doing it the other way :killingme... I did mention they were dumb fuckers right?

[Laava]

And so - nothing changed, no big international finance crisis or changes ... Been reading Nostradamus as well have you ???

Or, like William Miller, was the calculation wrong and it's a collection of sevens on another day ?? Huh? Huh??

I,m gonna get Ken Ring involved

[Banditbandit]

I,m gonna get Ken Ring involved

Fair enough. Weather forecasters are little more accurate than financial forecasters ..

[oldrider]

Flight 370 Did Not Disappear, the Truth About What Happened Is a Scandal

By Clive Irving, The Daily Beast

08 March 15

Unfortunately that heading does not really support the article I.E. nothing really new but still a reasonable review of the situation!

Article :http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28963-flight-370-did-not-disappear-the-truth-about-what-happened-is-a-scandal

[mashman]

Wreckage 'conclusively confirmed' as from MH370: Malaysia PM (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/29191819/wreckage-conclusively-confirmed-as-from-mh370-malaysia-pm/)... hmmmmmm, a little downstream from Diego Garcia.

[husaberg]

Wreckage 'conclusively confirmed' as from MH370: Malaysia PM (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/29191819/wreckage-conclusively-confirmed-as-from-mh370-malaysia-pm/)... hmmmmmm, a little downstream from Diego Garcia.

Sea's have currents petal, mmm makes me up a batch of muffins.

[mashman]

Sea's have currents petal, mmm makes me up a batch of muffins.

Wouldn't currents make your muffins scones?

[husaberg]

Wouldn't currents make your muffins scones?

I'm not really sure. I never see currants now, Apple and Cinnamon is acceptable if your English morals will only allow you to make scones.
I certainly don't want any of those English muffins that look like crumpets.
Grandma husaberg used to make me Griddle scones on a cast iron hot plate I think they had dates in them.
They were always triangular for some reason.

[george formby]

No idea what this thread is about, just saw "scones":drool: Streaky bacon, aged edam and onion jam scones are go. Will be ready by 11am. Might push the boat out and do date and lemon, too. Cream and lemonade are vital in the mix.

[husaberg]

No idea what this thread is about, just saw "scones":drool: Streaky bacon, aged edam and onion jam scones are go. Will be ready by 11am. Might push the boat out and do date and lemon, too. Cream and lemonade are vital in the mix.

If the lemonade is for the Scones use the beer instead.

[george formby]

If the lemonade is for the Scones use the beer instead.

To late. Might work with the savoury ones. Date and Ale has a certain ring to it.

[YellowDog]

Wreckage 'conclusively confirmed' as from MH370: Malaysia PM (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/29191819/wreckage-conclusively-confirmed-as-from-mh370-malaysia-pm/)... hmmmmmm, a little downstream from Diego Garcia.

Clearly a cover-up ........ The aeronthingyrotormajig showed evidence that it had been cut off with a chain saw, leaving Diego Garcian dust particles, and those barnacles had been glued on with an industrial product only sold in Diego Garcia.

It gets more fishy by the minute and the evidence is starting to suggest that Russian backed aliens were behind it all. The proof of that fact is that the now Russian based Edward Snowdon wasn't allowed to spill the beans :o

[Woodman]

Pretty sure it was my cat.

My cat is an oriental and so is Malaysia, and if you add 777 together you get 21, and 2 +1 = 3, and the number 3 has nothing whatsoever to do with my cat, so obviously a very well disguised cover up. Also the cat is sitting in front of a roaring fire so it is obviously fond of warmth, and Malaysia is warm. Coincidence? I don't think so. Cats have the ability to fall at freefall speed and land unharmed. Perfect for planting bombs in random skyscrapers, or airplanes.

Fuck , being a conspiracy theorist:drool: is easy.

[Brian d marge]

17 is an illuminati number so it must be true

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[husaberg]

Pretty sure it was my cat.

My cat is an oriental and so is Malaysia, and if you add 777 together you get 21, and 2 +1 = 3, and the number 3 has nothing whatsoever to do with my cat, so obviously a very well disguised cover up. Also the cat is sitting in front of a roaring fire so it is obviously fond of warmth, and Malaysia is warm. Coincidence? I don't think so. Cats have the ability to fall at freefall speed and land unharmed. Perfect for planting bombs in random skyscrapers, or airplanes.

Fuck , being a conspiracy theorist:drool: is easy.

Why do you think Gareth Morgan wants to get rid of all the cats I bet he's in on it. Wasn't he former reserve bank head lizard.

[R650R]

Missing for 80 hours..... http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/mh370-search-vessel-%E2%80%98disappears%E2%80%99-for-three-days-after-mysteriously-switching-off-its-tracking-system/ar-BBIKd8i?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=ientp

Just enough time for a CIA black ops team to 'replace' the crew after their free swimming lesson....

"Search base from Seabed Constructor... Search base from seabed constructor"

"Go ahead Seabase over"

"Search base we have found a couple of debri items from MH370. One piece also has an unexploded Aegis naval SAM embedded in the side. Also a decomposing body floating with the wreckage had a cellphone recovered from it. Retrieved a video from the SD card, has what appears to be the Captain saying we have been remote hijacked with the GPS set to Diego Garcia...."

"Excellent work Seabed, tell your crew to be ready for some RnR, a new crew will relieve you"

"but we just got back from holiday"

"Yes but we want to show our appreciation and give the eholw crew some dive and swimming lessons."

[Swoop]

The tinfoil-hat wearing nutters will be all over this like a fat kid in a cake shop.

[YellowDog]

The tinfoil-hat wearing nutters will be all over this like a fat kid in a cake shop.

Being on a ship and all that, there's a good chance that alcohol was involved in creating the discrepancy :wacko:

[Brian d marge]

The tinfoil-hat wearing nutters will be all over this like a fat kid in a cake shop.I have me hat on but for some reason ..yeah nah..
More interested in Saturn's transition through Capricorn.,..

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[Swoop]

Being on a ship and all that, there's a good chance that alcohol was involved in creating the discrepancy :wacko:
Being on a ship... I can fully imagine some dopey plonker unplugging any random device they saw fit, simply to plug in their iFelch because the battery was getting low.:facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

Being on a ship and all that, there's a good chance that alcohol was involved in creating the discrepancy :wacko:If I had my way there would have been alcohol involved....

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