mordern litre bike debate...everyones opinions wanted!

[cowpoos]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?

Is it just a penis extention??

These bikes usually have 160-170kmph first gears...so if your going through most of the twisties in NZ are you going to be in 1st ?
After all that rush of aceleration we all enjoy is in the last 3000-3500rpm of the rev range...is it not?

are you going to be riding around on a bike that in real terms is going to be only as fast as your mates 600 through the twisties? I'm right arn't I ?

we don't ride on race tracks all that often do we?

So has all you 1k boys out there got any reason for owning a modern litre bike other than to make yourselves think your faster through the twisties because you have 150-170hp between your legs?

And come on people lets have a good debate/argument here...none of this sitting on the fence crap...I want to know what people think?

[thehollowmen]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?

are you going to be riding around on a bike that in real terms is going to be only as fast as your mates 600 through the twisties? I'm right arn't I ?




'Xactly That's why I got me a 650 which was 30 kg lighter.

And I'm never going to push it to the limits so.. *Shrugs*

[SPORK]

They look cool.

(There's my opinion)

[vifferman]

Mr poos:

Although my bike isn't a litre bike, it would've been if the salesman had convinced me to test-ride a Blackybird. I need it because my penis is only average, and I need it extended. And because I have to ride everywhere at 100mph, and a litre bike would do it more easierer than my mere 0.781 litre bike does, as it has only ~100hp.

[cowpoos]

I need it because my penis is only average, and I need it extended. :violin:

Ummm....that might be over-sharing....errr :puke:

You probally don't need a litre bike...errr....well.....ummm...I hear plastic surgens are really talented these days....errr

[bugjuice]

litre sports bikes aren't needed as much imho. My 6hundy is more than enough for me to get into trouble with on the road, and if you ride them right, you can give the litre boys a run for their money thru the twisties. It's only really the straights that they understandably get away. But physics get in the way at a certain point in corners, at which most modern 6hundies can achieve along with the thous.

litre tourers are different imo, tho. They are often more refined and better engines for touring and cruising. They can really kick up a stink, so they're far from slow, but it's not their main target punter.

Some people would have a thou over any 6, any day. Fairy muff. each to their own. but the 6hundies of today, would piss over most 750s, a fair few twins and a few thous of yester-year, and back then, they were the mutts nutts.. wonder whats gonna be around in 5 years time...

[Sparky Bills]

Its the fact that its there. Dont have to use it, but if you do choose to, The bike doesnt have to work half as hard as a 600.

No, the average rider cant use even 100hp (face facts! you cant!)
So I dont really think it matters now days, as the new 600's have more than 100 at the rear now easily!

I have thought about getting a late model 600, but I just love having endless power.
I cant use the power of the R1 to its potential, but am not slow on it through twisties, and love it to bits!

[curious george]

Complete overkill IMHO......

That said, I would love to own a TL1000, because they look and sound cool.
If they made a 650 or something, I'd have one by now.

People own them for all different reasons, like owning a 4x4 to drop the kids at school.

I honestly think looks play a big part. Upside forks look way better than right way round, radial calipers better than cantilevers etc... and all the best bits come on the top bikes = I'm gonna get that one.

[Sparky Bills]

wonder whats gonna be around in 5 years time...


Good god!! Hurts even thinking about it. :Punk:

[bugjuice]

I honestly think looks play a big part. Upside forks look way better than right way round, radial calipers better than cantilevers etc... and all the best bits come on the top bikes = I'm gonna get that one.
most new 6s have half of this already..
the 05 636 is a little bro of the ZX10 with all that..

[zadok]

In my case it isn't a 'mordern' 1 litre bike, as the model has been around for 20 years or so. I wanted a tourer and I reckon you need that sort of capacity; especially when you are looking at carrying luggage and two up riding. In terms of performance (speed etc) a modern 600 would eat me for breakfast.
But I don't want to talk about my baby at the moment.... :weep:

[DemonWolf]

Only got the TL1000 because a mate was selling it.. and it sounds fecking wickid..
and I thought it was time I got back into riding.... =)

I'm not a speedster, nor am I fast through the bendies (far from it!), I definately do not use all the hp the beast has.. nor would I...

Still getting to know the ol girl... being tender with her and all..

[MSTRS]

Yet you have one.......go figure.

[Ixion]

You don't make it plain whether you mean all 1000cc bikes or just sprotsbikes.

For m'self OTHER FACTORS BEING EQUAL, I reckon there's no subsitute for cubes. I've never owned a litre bike, and I very much doubt I'd set out to own a litre sprotbike. But a litre+ plus touer or cruiser is another matter.

My logic here is that a big capacity bike can have the engine detuned. So that it's a nice torquey easy machine. And "great engines move slowly, and are not so soon put out of frame"

So the big 1000+ cc Vtwins make a lot of sense to me. But sprotbikes , I dont have the skills or the balls to push a 1000cc sprotbike anywhere near its limits on the public road. Some people do, good luck to them. Sometimes wonder what the percentage is though

And I did say other things being equal. Sometimes a smaller machine is actually faster as a tourer, because it's smoother , lighter, nimbler. I wonder what the real difference would be between a 1000 cc sprotbike and a 600 ditto, over a run of say 600km ?

[kerryg]

Is it just a penis extention??




erm...NO. I pretty only use mine for piddling :weep: out of these days anyway so it would be quite inconvenient.....although I suppose on those long trips you could runit down your trouser leg and there would be no need to make those toilet stops :p ..anyway I digress...in fact a litre bike is a penis SUBSTITUTE. :yeah: An old fat ugly feeble near-impotent geezer with no hair and no girlfriend such as myself is empowered by one, made nearly superhuman..and BETTER LOOKING too, and the more powerful the bike the better....and I get to wear cool gear that makes me look much younger and more virile...at least until I take my helmet off ..... :pinch:

It's simple: normal well-adjusted people with LIVES don't need 170hp strapped between their thighs. I, and other unfortunates like me, on the other hand, do...... :violin:

[Flyingpony]

My 20hp is more than enough for me. As the km roll by starting to feel more confident of it's handling limits (already know the hp limit) but know I'm still not pushing the envelope hard and thus she's not boring. Seeing the pump price, I'm not going to replace her. Cheap as Fish n Chips for tea to run.

But, if I were to carry a passenger or do long distance frequently, then I'll want more ponies throbbing away, but the engine will most likely be a V-twin in range of 250-650cc.

A rider picks their own ride for their own personal reasons and I respect them for that even if I can't see the logic behind their purchase or why they ride the way they do.

[vifferman]

My logic here is that a big capacity bike can have the engine detuned. So that it's a nice torquey easy machine. And "great engines move slowly, and are not so soon put out of frame"

So the big 1000+ cc Vtwins make a lot of sense to me.
Yes.
It's more relaxing to ride a bike with decent power and/or displacement on the highway. So even though I bought my semi-litre mordern sprotsbike and my previous semi-litre semi-mordern sprotsbike (it was only 0.996 litres, and 'old' 1997 technomology) because of the well-documented penis/virility-enhancing abilities, I enjoyed the ease with which both/all of them gobbled kilometres. And in the case of the VifFerraRi, miles.

[Jonty]

My 2 cents worth

For me, I enjoy having a huge amount of acceleration. I was never one who enjoyed high speed much (200Khr plus), my thrill is in the 0-100 sprint (probably brought on from riding 250-500cc 2 stroke motorcross bikes since I was 12). There is nothing better than smoking a boy racer at the lights and more you smoke him the better (without breaking the speed limit of course). I have found that 600's are not as quick in this initial acceleration phase as the 1000's (unfortunalty the CBR is the only 600 I can compare and it may be that the 636 can match the 1000?). Also, as a consequence of not as much acceleration, getting the font wheel up is more difficult for those of us who feel the urge to get it up there.

I have no issues with 1000 cc owners as I can definately see why you may want the extra horses (same reason people by a ferrari - who the hell needs car that can do 300Km +?).

[Quasievil]

most new 6s have half of this already..
the 05 636 is a little bro of the ZX10 with all that..

the 05 636 has 136 hp not that far from a K3 at 142 ?
no point in owning a super litre bike unless your out to prove something I reckon or perhaps putting it on the track as some of my mates do.
I would own a litre bike if I was touring long distances or if I owned a twin.
The 636 can keep up just nicely should I choose to try, on the straights as buggy said forget it.
Mind you I tickled up a few litre bikes at taupo on my 400, some of the riders were good riders to, eh Darryl:woohoo:

[manuboy]

Itsa good question.

I pondered it as i stood gazing at the k5 outside the local zook shop. It's (un)arguably the meanest street going beast in captivity.

And if i owned it i'd like to not just break the speed limit, the the crust on a creme-brulet(sp), i'd like to smash it into fricken peices, i'd like to ram it from behind like sally the sheep.

As for the penis extension idea, i dunno. After getting (off) on one of those things my old fulla would be inside out and hiding in abject fear somewhere in my throat region. So it'd be no use beside doing a fair impression of a 2nd adams apple.

And i'd OWN the road more than i do now. Boyracers? Beneath contempt. 4wd's? I'd be spitting large chunks of road surface at them as i rode passed with my eyeballs trying to escape through the back of my head. I'd give motorcycling the bad name it so richly deserves. Anybody got a loaner k5?

[bugjuice]

unfortunalty the CBR is the only 600 I can compare and it may be that the 636 can match the 1000?
the couple of thous that I've ridden, I've actually found them less torquey than the 636 low down. But then of course, once the revs pick up, the thou has it.

Another thing, it's great having a big bike, but can ya use it? You can be an utter nutcase and ride the tits off anything and be on a 400. Where as you can be ok, know a little and be on a thou.. who's gonna be the faster rider?

[suckingair]

Next bike that I get will be a 1000 or bigger.. why, cus I can.. easier to ride, not doing the dance of the left foot as often.. effortless torque.. these are good things. Yes, I could stick with the 800, but... time to put the VFR in to pasture, give her a run on the weekends or something. Even a half arsed monkey on a scooter could beat me on the twisty bits, but that's not why I ride..

[Motu]

Only reason I buy bikes is because they are cheap or broken - if a stuffed 1000 comes my way for a give away price I'll be in.

[Lou Girardin]

I have a really little willy so I need a 1.2 litre bike. But it's full to the brim with torques, which suits me as I have a lazy left foot.
But I can't be doin' with sprotbikes for more than 30 mins at a time. I don't want to be a super scheme for a chiropractor.

[Matt Bleck]

Litre sports bike + Wet twisties roads = No fun!!

I'd love a 1000 sports bike, but the above thought always comes into mind. Now I know someone will say its all about control of the wrist. But lack of concentration and its all over.

[cowpoos]

basically when i ment modern litre bikes...I'm talking about the new generation of 140+hp bikes...not really TL's and tourer's [although some make dam good HP] or older mile munchers...

I'm talking about k3-k5 gixxer's zx10's r1's etc

[Motoracer]

So has all you 1k boys out there got any reason for owning a modern litre bike other than to make yourselves think your faster through the twisties because you have 150-170hp between your legs?

WT, Loosebruce and the likes will have one answer for you. When you can bring the front wheel up just under power and no clutch while you are doing 160kmph in 3rd.. You know why you've got a thousand.

I am not relating anyone into this sinario but when you have a 600 and if you are the sort of person who runs from the law, you can get away but there is always that little bit of a chance of being caught... On a thousand, you know you OWN the road. You can just blast out of there in a hurry and not worry about a thing.

A thousand looks meaner as well if you like to show off..

When 2 up, a thousand will still be fuken quick where as a 600 will show signs of being slower with the extra weight..

You don't have to constantly ring the neck of the bike like you would with a 600 to go fuken fast.. With a thousand you can still go easy with it while going fast...

I could sit here and have pleanty more reasons to go with a thou.. If I had the money to be able to buy and run a thou, I'd probably out there in Colemans signing myself for a new GIXXER thou right now!

If someone wants a thou, purely for looks or for it's insane performance, then good for them for being able to afford one. They worked hard for their money and it's up to them on what they wish to spend it on. I'm not going to judge them for that.

P.S. I know pleanty of people who can absolutly thrash the hell out of R1s, Gixxer1Ks, CBR1Ks etc on road or race track...

[cowpoos]

Litre sports bike + Wet twisties roads = No fun!!

I'd love a 1000 sports bike, but the above thought always comes into mind. Now I know someone will say its all about control of the wrist. But lack of concentration and its all over.

your right though...its easyer to ride faster in the wet with less hp...you see this in racing...when less powerful bikes make it far further up the placings!

[GixerBoy]

i have a thou and fricken love it, it has nothinhg to do with ego or alike it was actually cause of price, if the price of the 750 was the same or cheaper i would have one now, but saying that i am glad i got the thou after having a 750 the thou with all the extra power is great, everything is so much easier who cares if i never use all the power it is there if i need it it can get me in trouble but it can also can get me out.

[QUOTE=bugjuice]the couple of thous that I've ridden, I've actually found them less torquey than the 636 low down.

you must have ridden an old dud, cause the power of mine compared to the 05 636, the power difference is huge.

[HDTboy]

The same argument gould be applied to anything over a 250, I wen't for a ride on sunday with a 636, a 750 and a Thou. The Thou left us for dead but I feel that was more rider skill than anything, he would've done the same on a 250. the rest of us had quite a ride, the only place the other two were faster than me was on the decent length straights

[cowpoos]

WT, Loosebruce and the likes will have one answer for you. When you can bring the front wheel up just under power and no clutch while you are doing 160kmph in 3rd.. You know why you've got a thousand.

I am not relating anyone into this sinario but when you have a 600 and if you are the sort of person who runs from the law, you can get away but there is always that little bit of a chance of being caught... On a thousand, you know you OWN the road. You can just blast out of there in a hurry and not worry about a thing.

A thousand looks meaner as well if you like to show off..

When 2 up, a thousand will still be fuken quick where as a 600 will show signs of being slower with the extra weight..

You don't have to constantly ring the neck of the bike like you would with a 600 to go fuken fast.. With a thousand you can still go easy with it while going fast...

I could sit here and have pleanty more reasons to go with a thou.. If I had the money to be able to buy and run a thou, I'd probably out there in Colemans signing myself for a new GIXXER thou right now!

If someone wants a thou, purely for looks or for it's insane performance, then good for them for being able to afford one. They worked hard for their money and it's up to them on what they wish to spend it on. I'm not going to judge them for that.

P.S. I know pleanty of people who can absolutly thrash the hell out of R1s, Gixxer1Ks, CBR1Ks etc on road or race track...

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!

[Funkyfly]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?


So has all you 1k boys out there got any reason for owning a modern litre bike other than to make yourselves think your faster through the twisties because you have 150-170hp between your legs?

And come on people lets have a good debate/argument here...none of this sitting on the fence crap...I want to know what people think?

If you have to ask you wouldnt understand.

You either get it or you dont. Long live the thou's! :Punk:

[bugjuice]

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!
oh boy.. here we go...

[oldrider]

Bigger is definitely more appealing but is it always practical? I now ride what is considered by most to be a rather dull machine. It suits both my purse and my purpose. It covers most of the biking experience that I want to have these days and it's very reliable. I guess I'm just a dull old guy now but at least I'm still doing what I like to do. I want to keep doing it as long as I can. When I had big fast bikes I could not resist banging them out to their max at every opportunity and even when the opportunity wasn't really there. On my current steed it will simulate but it is always an event you have to consciously ask the bike to deliver. All the big bikes I have had have volunteered and I have no resistance to their urges.
I am very happy with my little chappy "on both counts". Cheers John.

[Funkyfly]

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!

A classic example of someone who doesnt get it..........

Mate you ever see rossi redlining his bike thru corners? you ever been to the track and red lined a bike thru corners? its not done, and for good reason! it unsettles the bike and doesnt make for a smooth exit.
and if you look at the torque curve on a thou you will notice max torque is much much lower in the rev range than on a 600.

Maybe you should get out with some good thou riders one day, i certainly dont doubt guys can thrash thous on the road, ive seen it!

[cowpoos]

Sorry but what I ment by redlining is being in the 3500-3000 rpm sweet spot of the rev range...

and err...theres a big difference between riding fast and thrashing a bike...

thrashing is riding at or above 9/10th's

and there may be one or two imortals out there that could do that...but they would be earing a wage racing in the weekends

and why would being that high in the rev range unsettle a bike in the corners?

[White trash]

Good subject to disscuss 'Poos. I've owned bikes on both sides of this argument. When I rode a Gixxer Six, my oppinion was that I was going as fast as any road would possibly allow, irrespective of bike size. I wondered what the hell all the fuss was about with a 1000cc machine. The opportunity soon came to get a 1000 and I leapt at it. For the first three weeks of ownership I wondered what the hell I'd done. The power was frightfull, the speeds insane. Gradually, I came to grips with the bike and now, I wont go back I don't think.

I can carry the same corner speed easily as I could on the 600, more with race tyres fitted, and the way the thou' leaps outta corners is unbelievable. You have so much torque available at any given point, you need more speed? Use more throttle. The downside is that they're VERY easy to come unstuck on.

Contrary to popular beliefe, there are people around who can and do use their thousands as they were intended when built. Might not be entirely legal, but they're getting ridden, and hard.

Also, you can't hoist the front at 170kph in 3rd gear on any 600, I don't care how good it is.

[ManDownUnder]

And it's FUN. Each to their own. If it's an ego boost you want and need - go for it. I wanted a powerful sports cruiser as a treat to myself - and that's what I got.

I'm not the fastest or the bestest and can't ride within a hairs breadth of death and carenage as I rocket around corners... I admire those who can for their ability, but I'm not interested in learning to do that for myself.

I had a 550, now I have a 900, and I think it's slightly too big (heavy). Next time I might go for a 750, or maybe a bigger bike with lighter handling...

[bugjuice]

Sorry but what I ment by redlining is being in the 3500-3000 rpm sweet spot of the rev range...

and err...theres a big difference between riding fast and thrashing a bike...

thrashing is riding at or above 9/10th's

and there may be one or two imortals out there that could do that...but they would be earing a wage racing in the weekends

and why would being that high in the rev range unsettle a bike in the corners?
do you ride a diesel then?
not many bikes have a sweet spot that low.. My bike doesn't wake up until at least 7 or 8, and will happily scream it's little lungs out to 16,500.

If you take a corner at 15k rpm, for one, you haven't got much exit speed comin, so you'd find yourself changing mid-corner, which isn't the best idea since sliced bread. Also, at the high revs, the engine braking and accelerating is very harsh, so by screaming into a corner, then backing off or gunning it, there's more chance of breaking the back loose, and that isn't always much fun. Normally, hacking thru corners (obviously depending on the road and corners etc), the revs sit around 7-12k on average, and obvisouly climb exiting the corners

[duckman]

When I bought my 600, I first went for a test ride on the thou. I came back shaking, thinking "how on earth can anyone control that thing" ... So I told the salesman... "I love the bike, but I think I'll take it's little brother".

I'm glad I did this. Slowly I'm getting to used to the 600 and pushing it more and more. (the track days are good for this).... I must admit that I sometimes find myself thinking .. "Wonder if I should get the thou next" ... and I probably will, but not before I feel like I can control the 600 better.

Small steps - Less crashing!!

[cowpoos]

bug....errr....I ment the top 3000-3500rpm...LMAO

as a matter of fact i used to have a diesel quad...polaris...it was a raving joke...it could tow really well...but if you wanted to catch a cow whos going awol...lol...out couldn't out run dasiy...was very economical though...lol

[cowpoos]

I'm surprised LB hasn't repley to this yet

[cowpoos]

and by LB...I mean loosebruce

[madboy]

I am not relating anyone into this sinario but when you have a 600 and if you are the sort of person who runs from the law, you can get away but there is always that little bit of a chance of being caught... On a thousand, you know you OWN the road. You can just blast out of there in a hurry and not worry about a thing.Is that hard on a 600? Jeez, I'm glad I've got a 636 then :chase:

WT has spoken, I now wait with baited breath for Loosebruce to enter the discussion...

Speed is something that you never understand until you get there. I've learnt over the years that just cos you think you're going fast or know "the limits", doesn't mean to say that there isn't someone out there who can wipe the floor with you. The "limits" on a little bike with an average rider will be stalling speed to a thou with a squid on board. It's something I can't understand cos I haven't got there, but I've been around long enough to know that's how it is.

You can argue the physics behind a 600 v 1000 on the corners anyday, but the fact is, if the 1000 can maintain the SAME speed through the corner, then it will be a quicker bike because it got to that corner quicker, and will get to the next corner quicker.

When I bought my bike, I had the choice between an R1 or the 636 - they were literally right next to each other on the used lineup in the shop, and both fit my budget. I ummed and ahhed for a couple weeks, then fortunately (well for me anyway) an unnamed chap had an intimate moment with asphalt right in front of me while using a thou for what only a thou can do... Having a similar personality to this person (prone to exercising the right wrist just cos I can), I felt the 636 would keep me alive a bit longer.

But give me another couple of years and I will have forgotten about that, and will go be back in the same predicament... thou or 6? The 636 ain't slow, 118hp 170g apparently, but believe me, I've gotten very used to that power. Just like Rossi would freak if his machine lost 5hp, that fact that it's still putting out a shedload is irrelevant. Another 50hp would not go amiss between my legs :ride:

[loosebruce]

136hp 636 - 142hp K3 1000, fuck off Brett whos fucken leg you trying to pull, the day i see 136hp from the rear wheel of a 600 i'll buy it, try 114.7hp at the rear wheel on your 636 and the K5 is up over the K3 and has 158.1 (quoted from Superbike magazine.
ANd then if you want to get techy about it, torque 47.2ft-lb@11,325rpm on the 636 and 83.9ft-lb@9,046rpm K5, thats getting close to double the torque, and thats what makes a bike so fucken fast, look at Busa's and the like, peak power isn't that much more than a litre sportsbike but torque is more.

Litre sports bike + Wet twisties roads = No fun!! - Bull Shit, if you cant ride it'd be no fun, i love riding my thou in the wet and it's a piss of peice to go fast, the thou has so much more torque you dont have to be up in the revs to go fast, same as a twin, lazy almost, i had more moments in the wet on my TL than the GSXR, and plus when you want to getting it un stuck and lighting it up to the next corner can be quite fun on the GSXR. But no doubt i'd be alot quicker in the wet on a 1000cc over a 600cc.

I too used to believe that i'd be just as fast on any given road on a 600cc over a 1000cc but thats a crock of shit, as WT said the way the 1000cc launches out of a corner is second to none, i dont think there'd be much diff on the road when flicking a 1000cc about as to a 600cc, they're almost the same weight and size to begin with.

Why the 1000cc, cause on the road nothing can touch it in a straightline and as MR said getting away from .......... is rather easy (choppers on the other hand) i go to the track whenever i can afford it, and like WT said there are people out there who ride 1000cc hard on the road. Wheelies, fuck this thing is the shizzle for wheelies, and stoppies and whatever else the hooligan in me likes to do, 600cc are good but the 1000cc is a step above.

And to add to the debate as of late there's been no 600's in my mirrors through any section of road, there used to this orange 750cc but thats falling behind now too :Pokey: . Although i would say that a 600cc with me ol mate WT aboard would be giving me a run for my money.

So my conculsion is this, 600cc are fucking amazing machines and more than enough for a lot of people but you're going have to be a pretty damn good rider to kick it with a more than capable rider on a 1000cc. I know on a 600cc i wouldn't be as fast as i am on 1000cc - FACT

[loosebruce]

I'm surprised LB hasn't repley to this yet

Yea sorry just got out of bed, let the flaming begin :dodge:

[Motoracer]

OK, what is fast? How do you define "thrashing a bike"?

It's all a reletive term isn't it? You may think you are going fast and you maybe going quite fast. The noobie next to you will probably look at you as a hero who is almost as good as Rossi where as a succesfull road racer might put you to shame.. Even some of the top racers from NZ, get a hard time in Australia or over in Europe..

Going back to the dudes with the thous riding on the road... Well, lets just say that on a fine day their 120/70/17 profile front tire (Metzeler Racetec) gets worn right to the edge with strips rubber balling and curling up from abuse. Then while coming out of turns it would be quite common to see the rear wheel sliding out significantly and leaving black lines through the road.

I know if you compair that to racing speeds of the Superbike races, it's still no where near that. That's because for obvious reasons, you can only go so fast on the road. However speaking from my experience, it would be fair to say that, these guys do ride quick and their bikes are being thrashed quite hard on the road.

If you have doubts, that's cool. If you do want to see for yourself, contact me and I'll hook you up for a quick ride with the fast boys.

[loosebruce]

And another pooint to bring up - Redlining in the twisties - Think about this my K3 does 150kph in 1st gear and a shy over 200kph in 2nd gear, now if you can get it too red line in say a twisty road like Whangamata - Waihi you my fucken hero. Just cause it's not red lining doesn't mean i not on the edge or thrashing it.

[White trash]

1st ride I went on when I got to Orks and me trundling along behind l/Bruce, thinking "Yeah, we're doing alright!" Well fuck me if some demon on a CBR Thou didn't come carving through us and thoroughly root what had been a cosy Gixxer picnic.

If I thought we were going fast before then, we were going farkin balistic after that in the Blades wheel tracks.

Some people are quick, some try to be and some are just kidding themselves. Normally the quick guys are quick on whatever they ride, they just like the litre machines as they add a challenge.

[jimbo600]

No need for a 1000. I'll take any thou rider on the gixer 600.

[White trash]

No need for a 1000. I'll take any thou rider from behind over the gixer 600.

I bet you would!!!!!

[MSTRS]

It's simple: normal well-adjusted people with LIVES ........:
......drive cages. Or stepthroughs.

[jimbo600]

I'm WT and I do cock!!!

Jeez what are you trying to say man.

[White trash]

Jeez what are you trying to say man. I used to think 600s were for homos! Then I bought one and just confirmed it to everyone else.

Ya don't say? Thought there was something funny about you goin' backwards. Seven Fiddy a bit much sonny?

[Bonez]

Neffer nead'd a litter bike und propaply neffer well. 37hp tis alll uny ridder neds.........

[Dafe]

I'm on a thou and I bet I'll get smoked by any other thou, any 600 and probably most 400's. I won't even take on a 250 actually, especially after seeing the way Velox took on the Rimutakas on Monday.

The reason I am on a thou has nothing to do with speed and nothing to do with penis extensions. I brought my thou because I love the sound of the V-Twin engine rumbling and when I want to ride at 130-140kph, it just purrs along. I can chuck my 120kg mate on the back and it still purrs.
Loads of torque, easy and pleasurable to ride.

Although it's a thou, it's not an inline 4, and was never meant to be.
Not all thous, are about speed.
Kind of makes this thread abit pointless unless you were of course talking inline 4 thous.

[Bonez]

Oops look like my other self posted. There's nothing wrong with litre bikes. Been looking at a couple of good s/h 1200s the last two days and thinking Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Still got room in the shed for a half dozen more cikles.

[WINJA]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?
WHY DOES A DOG LICK ITS BALLS?

[Coyote]

Is it just a penis extention??

No no no, your confused with cars

Don't know how they're supposed to extend it though, maybe its got something to do with making the exhaust pipe bigger...

[Two Smoker]

And to add to the debate as of late there's been no 600's in my mirrors through any section of road, there used to this orange 750cc but thats falling behind now too :Pokey: .
Im'a comin bboooooyyyyyy, Im'a comin...

Give me 3 weeks to get the bike on the road, 2 hard rides to get used to it, 1 ride to get throughly thrashed by you, then another ride to crash it trying to pass you on the outside, then anther 9 fucking months fixing it... sounds like a plan...

Personally, ive got a 600 because that is the stage i am upto... I can thrash the ZXR400 to its absolute limits, and am slowly increasing my limits to find the limits of a racetrack... SO the next step up is a 600...

I would get a GSXR1000 if i was upto that stage, but im not ready for it yet... For me owning a thou would be because i want to be a hooligan and pull some mean effortless wheelies...

Most of the guys i ride with that own thous thrash them to the limits as MR said, leaving black lines and balling up the edges of the tyres...

[inlinefour]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?

Is it just a penis extention??

These bikes usually have 160-170kmph first gears...so if your going through most of the twisties in NZ are you going to be in 1st ?
After all that rush of aceleration we all enjoy is in the last 3000-3500rpm of the rev range...is it not?

are you going to be riding around on a bike that in real terms is going to be only as fast as your mates 600 through the twisties? I'm right arn't I ?

we don't ride on race tracks all that often do we?

So has all you 1k boys out there got any reason for owning a modern litre bike other than to make yourselves think your faster through the twisties because you have 150-170hp between your legs?

And come on people lets have a good debate/argument here...none of this sitting on the fence crap...I want to know what people think?

Its to make up for inadequaces elsewhere, whether being a lack of genetailia (sp) or lack of riding ability. I'll go and hide now :devil2:

[Coyote]

Personally, ive got a 600 because that is the stage i am upto... I can thrash the ZXR400 to its absolute limits, and am slowly increasing my limits to find the limits of a racetrack... SO the next step up is a 600...

Will you be selling your ZXR anytime soon?

[Rainbow Wizard]

Bigger is definitely more appealing but is it always practical? I now ride what is considered by most to be a rather dull machine. It suits both my purse and my purpose. It covers most of the biking experience that I want to have these days and it's very reliable.
Now I own an ancestor of John's TransAlp, the NTV650 is a great bike. Probably a bit perkier than the Alp yet definitely dull compared to the Voxan. But I like both, for different reasons. However both are expertly engineered and it'd take a real nit-picking twit to knock the Voxan on that count. Its 110kW and equal Nm of torque is way less than most mordern sprotbikes but wow! what a package: engineering, looks, versatility, handling, power....I reckon they'll outlive most current 1000s in the long run, even if only for that wee bit of conservatism necessary to produce a good all-rounder.
Personal choice or horses for courses Cowpoos, anything else could be shite.

[Zed]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?

Is it just a penis extention??Sure thing, in this world vanity, vanity, all is vanity!

The modern litre bikes are the fastest and most powerful production motorcycles ever - who wouldn't want one? There is something in all of us that desires the best of the best!

All this nonsense about "needing" one, etc, etc is irrelevant.


And come on people lets have a good debate/argument here...none of this sitting on the fence crap...I want to know what people think?What I think is that a lot of people spout on about a subject they know little about - don't knock it till you try it! And I'm not talking about 'test riding' either, I'm talking about owning and spending many hours riding one. Like WT says, he'd find it hard to go back to a 600 now that he's found his groove in the 1000, and as LB said it is a step up! Listen to them, they know. :blip:

Bruce let me take his K3 1000 for a blast a month or so ago and I really enjoyed it. It didn't blow me out of the water like they seem to with some people, maybe cos I've been riding a fairly fast bike for 6 months now and am confident with a similar power delivery, but what excited me most was the *weight* factor in comparison to my Blackbird!! Yep I can tell you that front comes up mighty easily...:cool:

I'll buy a modern thousand in the near future and I'll love it - guaranteed! For me it's about my enjoyment, not how others feel about it.

[Two Smoker]

Will you be selling your ZXR anytime soon?

Yes, early next year... so start saving...

[froggyfrenchman]

how can you ask? late model thousand.... the very definition of motorcycling... huge wheelies, long stoppies, fast, handles real well. and can easily handle the weekend that the missis wants to go for a trip and packing light means 50kg.

[Coyote]

For me it's about my enjoyment, not how others feel about it.
Damn right. It's a laugh at school how many people say "why didn't you get a car?". I say "Cars don't wheelie", to which they reply "Well motorbikes can't have a sub in it" (followed by smug look). What was even more of a laugh was when I was getting ready to go after school, some 7th former shouted out from his car "MOTORBIKES ARE GAY" Still ride to school on the bike, bugger what they think.

Also, why does everything suddenly have a sexual gender thats inclined to go for the same sex, despite not having a sex at all nowadays? People are morons

[Coyote]

Yes, early next year... so start saving...
Will do, count on it

[Magua]

I'd buy a 1 litre vtwin, but I don't think I would ever buy a litre gixxer, cbr etc. I don't need nor want that much power, it's just nuts.

[Dafe]

WHY DOES A DOG LICK ITS BALLS?

Ummmmm - Coz it feels so good??? :woohoo:

[cowpoos]

Litre sports bike + Wet twisties roads = No fun!! - Bull Shit, if you cant ride it'd be no fun, i love riding my thou in the wet and it's a piss of peice to go fast, the thou has so much more torque you dont have to be up in the revs to go fast, same as a twin, lazy almost, i had more moments in the wet on my TL than the GSXR,


Reason for that bruce...as you will be aware of...TLS rear spring on tls is 650 pounds....needs to be 750-850....the bike squats like a pig with a terrier hanging of its nuts...also it has a THING called a rotary damper...it does about as much damping as you ride slow....not often!!! lol


If you have a TLS fix the suspension...ohlins,penske,biturbo what ever...and revalve and spring the front...aswell...you will then realise how good they can be!!!!

[Two Smoker]

Reason for that bruce...as you will be aware of...TLS rear spring on tls is 650 pounds....needs to be 750-850....the bike squats like a pig with a terrier hanging of its nuts...also it has a THING called a rotary damper...it does about as much damping as you ride slow....not often!!! lol


If you have a TLS fix the suspension...ohlins,penske,biturbo what ever...and revalve and spring the front...aswell...you will then realise how good they can be!!!!
Wat choo talkin bout willis??? Tls handle razor sharp :niceone: they just need abit of muscling around...

[cowpoos]

If you have doubts, that's cool. If you do want to see for yourself, contact me and I'll hook you up for a quick ride with the fast boys.


You pressume I'm slow on a bike...and you know that because????

and besides that...I'm not acctually bashing litre bikes...I'm just developing a good debate in which I'm curious of peoples opinions...as its hard to debate in ones own heads the pro's and con's....and you also won't see everyones point of view....aye?? and some people look at things from un thought of angles.

but I do wonder at times though?

[cowpoos]

And another pooint to bring up - Redlining in the twisties - Think about this my K3 does 150kph in 1st gear and a shy over 200kph in 2nd gear, now if you can get it too red line in say a twisty road like Whangamata - Waihi you my fucken hero. Just cause it's not red lining doesn't mean i not on the edge or thrashing it.


Hmmm....so your riding off the boil then??

[Torque]

The main reasons for owning a 1000 sports bike are.

* Lots of grunt out of the corners.
* Lots of Torque around and out of the corners.
* You don't have to rev the balls out of the engine unless you want to leap up the road.
* You have it all, you can cruise with your 600 mates or just leave them at the side of the road!
* And if you have a really big P--ck then you have nothing to prove.
* The new litre bikes are nearly the same size and weight as the 600 and handle really well around corners so why not have the best of both worlds and get the most powerful and fastest bike you can buy.
* You just cannot beat winding open the throttle in the right conditions on a litre sports bike. The last 4 bikes i have owned have all been 1000cc or more and i find i ride safer and enjoy my riding way more than riding a smaller bike. Saying that though i have started racing a 400cc and even with the lack of power i still have that grin factor. Every one to there own thats what i say. :ride:

[cowpoos]

No no no, your confused with cars

Don't know how they're supposed to extend it though, maybe its got something to do with making the exhaust pipe bigger...

Nope....with everything alot of people buy the biggest and best...and most of them can't use it...

I have a mate...owned a 749 duc....bloody nice bike....my other mate...owned a tzr250...rode rings around him...

he now owns a GSXR 1000...coz his ex...accidently backed over the duc in their 4x4....eck!!!!!!!!!!

tzr still runs rings around him...

on the twisties that is...

[SPman]

600's are gutless - fast, yes, but I'd take a new gixxer 750 over any 600 currently made.
After donkeys years on 750's and seriously considering a gixxer 750 I went to the thou.- Fuck me - what a difference - I suppose I'll use over 8000 some time, but, at the moment, why should I! Effortless power is what it's all about and, once I've got it set up for me,the turn in and handling should be near on a par with a 750.
Bruce, Jimmy and Sudeep have said it all but, - the 1000's arent really good at tight twisties - better suited to more open, free flowing roads

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THATS the real reason!

[cowpoos]

Wat choo talkin bout willis??? Tls handle razor sharp :niceone: they just need abit of muscling around...

Not like they could.

[Quasievil]

136hp 636 - 142hp K3 1000, fuck off Brett whos fucken leg you trying to pull, the day i see 136hp from the rear wheel of a 600 i'll buy it, try 114.7hp at the rear wheel on your 636 and the K5 is up over the K3 and has 158.1


:dodge: Sheesh burn a pizaa or two today ya ugly prick I read that info, I will write to the offending magazine immediately with a complaint.

And mate you are a machine on your 1000 love the show, always will

[Korumba]

The Second to last Ouote covers the Penis thing!


Some quotes regarding the ZZ-R / ZX


"If you've had the demented pleasure of twisting the ZX-11's throttle, you've experienced the hardest accelerating production vehicle sold in America."
Sport Rider, October 1995

"I feel like Chewbacca when I ride the ZX-11, or Han. One fullbore yank on the Eleven's throttle and it's as if I'm in the Millenium Falcon's cockpit, slamming the hyperspace lever home and the Empire's goons weren't able to disarm the hyperdrive."
Mitch Boehm, Motorcyclist, October 1995

"It's shatteringly vivid power is simply astonishing. But it's just as astonishing that Kawasaki has refined it to the point where that power is harnessed so well and so effectively. You never fail to walk away without wearing a broad, beaming, utterly impressed and addicted smile. Practical it is. Bonkers it is too. A bike apart.
Love it."
Bike, October 1995

"So if your prime directive involves getting from point A to B quicker than any production vehicle without retractable landing gear, look no further. "
Motorcyclist, May 1993

"The ZZR-1100 remains the big, fast, versatile bike for the rider with a regular pillion passenger or the desire to humiliate just about every other road user who attempted to match its straight line acceleration. "
Revs

" This reminds me of a guy I know who, when his girlfriend referred to his ZZ-R 1100 as "just a dick thing", corrected her by pointing out that it was, in fact, "a big, black, fast dick thing" "
Letter to the editor published in AMCN (Feb 21)
Posted by Mike Winslade

" Die Bissige: Die ZZ-R 1100 ist die Verkoerperung von schierer Gewalt. Kein Motor reisst so brutal vorwaerts."
PS, June 1997

[Sensei]

The Only reason I have a GSXR1000 is it's the BEST bike on the ROAD & the only bike that matches my riding ability . Nothing to do with WANGER size etc . Just LOVE riding Flat out . END OF STORY !! :motu:

[SixPackBack]

Sorry folk's was'nt about the penis.....more like a good effortless commuter, wraped up in a nice sportsbike.
Get on it everyday, sometimes at 5 in the morning....half a sleep...fudge gear does'nt matter twist the wrist and away you go.
I'm a slow rider....but 9 years since a spill gives me some skill however conservative.....and i really think i would prolly be faster on a 600.

[Two Smoker]

I'm a slow rider....but 9 years since a spill gives me some skill however conservative.....

i havent crashed in 9 months (which is unuasual for me) so does that make me unskilled hehehe....

[Big Dave]

The Only reason I have a GSXR1000 is it's the BEST bike on the ROAD & the only bike that matches my riding ability . Nothing to do with WANGER size etc . Just LOVE riding Flat out . END OF STORY !! :motu:
:tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger:

[Qkchk]

I'm a slow rider....but 9 years since a spill gives me some skill however conservative.....and i really think i would prolly be faster on a 600.

Too right, I think I would be the same. You tend to hoon more on the smaller, revver bikes.
Maybe another reason for buying big bore is 'tourability'. Yeah, yeah I can hear some of ya saying "Why tour on a Sportsbike, why not buy a Tourer?" but we both (hubby and me) thought seriously about what we would be using the bikes for. More for the weekend rap and maybe a South Island / long distance tour once a year. Why buy a samll cc for long distance riding? I probably would of if I was planning on buzzin around the streets but I'm looking forward to the longer rides or the 'weekend away' trips. :ride:

[Sensei]

:tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger: :tugger:

Cheers Dave You'll have to wait in line tho with the others :rofl:

[slob]

Why I'd buy a 1000cc multi:

***TORQUE*** (I hate having to strain my right wrist to get the engine over 10,000rpm). Big V-twins are too much hard work in the twisties. On public roads, I reckon the "point and squirt" technique of cornering is probably safer than carrying huge corner speeds (like on a 600 or 400) anyway!


Why I wouldn't buy a 1000cc multi:

(fear of) ***HIGHSIDES*** (esp on wet roads w/ cold tyres). My old TL1000S has scarred me for life!


At the end of the day, I'd probably get used to the power of the 1000cc multi after a certain amount of riding, so the reason to not have it would diminish.

[Two Smoker]

OK another view point of mine... I love my RG150, and when i go for a ride on it i have a blast and a huge grin on my face... Ask loosebruce about his trip, he was on a ZXR250 and i on my RG150... HUGE AMOUNTS OF FUN... or when MR rides the XR600 on the road and i am on my RG150 HUGE... AMOUNTS OF FUN!!! Yes they are underpowered and are limited to 160-180kmh, but fuck they are fun... also in the right hands, they can scare any average rider on a big bike...

[soundbeltfarm]

if you seen me piss , you'd want me to buy a bloody 2 litre bike,
poor excuse for e dick really.

[nsrpaul]

i'm gunna go with the idea that 1000s are penis extentions , I'm only slightly below average so I got a 750
the 750 is much faster than my 250 in EVERY situation but still love the nsr the most

[cowpoos]

Why I'd buy a 1000cc multi:

***TORQUE*** Big V-twins are too much hard work in the twisties. On public roads,
Why I wouldn't buy a 1000cc multi:

(fear of) ***HIGHSIDES*** (esp on wet roads w/ cold tyres). My old TL1000S has scarred me for life!


At the end of the day, I'd probably get used to the power of the 1000cc multi after a certain amount of riding, so the reason to not have it would diminish.

V-twin should be less likely to highside...bigger time lapse between power strokes...thats why rossi's yam has custom crank...fires similar to a twin.

Your TLS just had crap suspension mate...end of story...I do and have riddin dirtbikes since I was 4...and sliding is something you learn to feel for...predict and control...My TLS when it had standard rear suspension was fuckin twitchy and sudden...you couldn't feel it letting go until a few sec before it happened...the plus side if you could call it a plus...the TLS is relitivly easy to control in a power slide...

[WINJA]

Cheers Dave You'll have to wait in line tho with the others :rofl:
OH NO YOU GOT PUNKED BY RATTLE SNAKE :mad:

[The Stranger]

Get lost ya pansy.

When you are on a litre + bike "speed limit" takes on a whole new dimension.

So you can't top it out that often.
But hey when you are tailing a group of riders toodling along and the v6 alpha driver decides to demonstrate his prowess to the bimbo and pulls out on ya it sure feels good to leave him standing still. He never tried again.

It also feels good to know that you can out accellerate any production car on the road in NZ despite the fact that they may have spent 10 times (or more) the amount of your bike in an effort to be the fastest.

At the risk of sounding reckless It feels good to effortlessly hit unreal speeds on short carefully choosen pieces of road.

Nothing like the rush of hitting the torque band in top gear at 180kph and feeling the front lift and resisting the forces trying to tear you off the bike.

So the turbo WRX thought he was quick off of the lights, That was until you go past him on one wheel a few seconds later after giving him a head start.

Hmm why would I want a litre bike?

[SPORK]

OK another view point of mine... I love my RG150, and when i go for a ride on it i have a blast and a huge grin on my face... Ask loosebruce about his trip, he was on a ZXR250 and i on my RG150... HUGE AMOUNTS OF FUN... or when MR rides the XR600 on the road and i am on my RG150 HUGE... AMOUNTS OF FUN!!! Yes they are underpowered and are limited to 160-180kmh, but fuck they are fun... also in the right hands, they can scare any average rider on a big bike...
Another reason why I'm saving (laugh all you want) up for one this very second!

[Storm]

Another reason why I'm saving (laugh all you want) up for one this very second!
Reckon I might join that club meself

[SPORK]

Reckon I might join that club meself
Hey, no fair! You'll take all the good ones :weep:

Oh woe is me, such a poor-guy :weep:

[Quasievil]

Fuck there is alot of shite in this thread, alot of wanking up to litre boys and indicating anything less is slow, as far as Im concerned anyone can ride whatever the fuck they like but no one on here can ride a 1000 to half its limits on the road for more than a few secs, this is to also be said for a 600 also....... so whats the point in having one ? dunno really ,each to his own I guess

[Hitcher]

Shut up, shut up, shut up! Sex, sex sex, must get sex into it. Wait, I see a television commercial. There's this nude woman in a bath holding a bit of your string. That's great, great, but we need a doctor, got to have a medical opinion. There's a nude woman in a bath with a doctor -- that's too sexy. Put an archbishop there watching them, that'll take the curse off it. Now, we need children and animals. There's two kids admiring the string, and a dog admiring the archbishop who's blessing the string. Uhh... international flavor's missing... make the archbishop Greek Orthodox. Why not Archbishop Macarios? No, no, he's dead... nevermind, we'll get his brother, it'll be cheaper... So, there's this nude woman...

[SPORK]

Shut up, shut up, shut up! Sex, sex sex, must get sex into it. Wait, I see a television commercial. There's this nude woman in a bath holding a bit of your string. That's great, great, but we need a doctor, got to have a medical opinion. There's a nude woman in a bath with a doctor -- that's too sexy. Put an archbishop there watching them, that'll take the curse off it. Now, we need children and animals. There's two kids admiring the string, and a dog admiring the archbishop who's blessing the string. Uhh... international flavor's missing... make the archbishop Greek Orthodox. Why not Archbishop Macarios? No, no, he's dead... nevermind, we'll get his brother, it'll be cheaper... So, there's this nude woman...
WTF, mate?

[madboy]

WTF, mate?It's what happens when you chuck the MASSIVE power to WEIGHT of the ST thru a few twisties too often... it scrambles the faculties :)

[Hitcher]

Earn massive rep. Tell me the name of the album that it came from...

[James Deuce]

Monty Python's Instant Record Collection.

Mine melted when a Flaming Sambuca went awry.

[Hitcher]

Monty Python's Instant Record Collection.

Mine melted when a Flaming Sambuca went awry.
I learned the hard way that when one has a moustache, it pays to blow out the flaming sambuca before knocking it back...

Not quite the album I had in mind, but I guess it was on that one too...

[James Deuce]

Good point Hitcher. I've googled and the original album was "Contractural Obligation". Sorry about that. Damn "best ofs"and compilations. Marketing gone mad.

[SPman]

Contractual Obligations - a fine record - I like Chinese.......
Hey, whens Summer Ale being released this year? (got to bring in the beer angle)

[texmo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerryg

It's simple: normal well-adjusted people with LIVES ........:


......drive cages. Or stepthroughs.

Im guessing you havent meet me yet MSTRS?

[loosebruce]

:dodge: Sheesh burn a pizaa or two today ya ugly prick I read that info, I will write to the offending magazine immediately with a complaint.

And mate you are a machine on your 1000 love the show, always will

Fuck mate i wish i could burn a pizza, at least i'd be at work making money, unlike what i'm doing now. Nothing.

That 136hp for the 636 is the "claimed" power at the crank, the 142hp for the K3 was rear wheel bhp compared to 114 odd for the 636, which is still grunty for sure but i took Buggys 636 out the other day and twisted the throttle and was like WTF is this, they just dont do it for me now.

[texmo]

what are you doing now at 12:30 at night?

[onearmedbandit]

My last 3 'main' bikes (other than the two after my accident) have been 750's, GSXR's to be precise. If I didn't get married this year (make that twice) I'd be buying the K5 anniversary model 750. Now I'm happy to keep my present 750, haven't got the most out of that yet, but when I do consider trading to a new model a k5/k6 1000 will be on my shopping list. Reasons include, effortless power delivery, sweet styling, effortless wheelies, king dick factor, speed and acceleration rush.

Sure there will be guys on their 600's who are quicker than me but like I could give a flying fuck. It's my money, I worked fucking hard for it, and I'll buy what I want. Like I said, couldn't give a flying fuck. Enuff said.

[Motoracer]

You pressume I'm slow on a bike...and you know that because????

WTF??? When did I say you are slow???? I said that, a n00b could look at you as a hero and a top level NZ rider like Andrew Stroud could put you to shame... That'll put you into the group of 99.99% of the experienced riders out there... Which means that I am not catagorising your speed into any particular level... If you mind me saying that a succesful road racer will put you to shame then you must be something special, so sorry for causeing any offence in that case.

I said if you want to see how 1000s are riden hard, contact me and I'll give you some celly numbers so that you can hook up for a ride to witness it for yourself... That was just an offer to clear your doubts if you wanted to dude.. Thats all.

[loosebruce]

If I didn't get married this year (make that twice) I'd be buying the K5 anniversary model 750.



Marriage, what a bitch, god only knows what i'm gonna do when i get to that stage with my girl, just as well i got a fucken fast bike to get out of there, she'd catch me if i was riding a 600.

[James Deuce]

Contractual Obligations - a fine record - I like Chinese.......
Hey, whens Summer Ale being released this year? (got to bring in the beer angle)

It's already out. Bought some last week.

[Quasievil]

Fuck mate i wish i could burn a pizza, at least i'd be at work making money, unlike what i'm doing now. Nothing.

That 136hp for the 636 is the "claimed" power at the crank, the 142hp for the K3 was rear wheel bhp compared to 114 odd for the 636, which is still grunty for sure but i took Buggys 636 out the other day and twisted the throttle and was like WTF is this, they just dont do it for me now.

PM me your number mate, I lost it with me old phone

[SixPackBack]

Fuck the size of the machine, what about the colour. That vomit green on Kumansukmees is fucken hideous......what were they thinking.
Red, orange, yellow.....at least you can see them, and black is a great camoflage colour....blends really well with the road *read: yor gunna die*
Blue now blue is a statley and royal clour and my personal favourite. silver reminds me of a jap import used car, nice but a bit bland.
Guess there all o.k, personally i reach for me shades when the vomit green comes around tho!.
What do you lot think?

[NZIrish]

900 is good for pillions and I don't notice the extra weight so much...as for extending the old fella for a reason for owning litre bikes...Bollocks!

[NZIrish]

jesus mate just read ya post about colour...I'm fair shitting myself now.

[SPORK]

Fuck the size of the machine, what about the colour. That vomit green on Kumansukmees is fucken hideous......what were they thinking.
Red, orange, yellow.....at least you can see them, and black is a great camoflage colour....blends really well with the road *read: yor gunna die*
Blue now blue is a statley and royal clour and my personal favourite. silver reminds me of a jap import used car, nice but a bit bland.
Guess there all o.k, personally i reach for me shades when the vomit green comes around tho!.
What do you lot think?
I think the green on the 05 636 looks great, but the green ZX10R looks a bit suspect.

Kawasaki black looks quite wierd, compared to like, say an R1 Raven or a nice CBR600RR, I think.

Each to their own...

[Hitcher]

Contractual Obligations - a fine record - I like Chinese...)
And traffic lights...

[Quasievil]

Fuck the size of the machine, what about the colour. That vomit green on Kumansukmees is fucken hideous......what were they thinking.


Fuck off it looks bloody awesome, if ya want to start slagging colour schemes stick with the uninspiring boring 20 year ols graphics style of your own bike brand susucki

[bugjuice]

Fuck mate i wish i could burn a pizza, at least i'd be at work making money, unlike what i'm doing now. Nothing.

That 136hp for the 636 is the "claimed" power at the crank, the 142hp for the K3 was rear wheel bhp compared to 114 odd for the 636, which is still grunty for sure but i took Buggys 636 out the other day and twisted the throttle and was like WTF is this, they just dont do it for me now.
that's what happens when you ride thous for too long. But that would go without saying. It's like someone used to a 600 (such as myself) getting on a 250 or 400.. They're still quick to those who are used to them, but when you've had more, downsizing just doesn't cut it. Doesn't mean they're still slow bikes..

not takin offence either. Couldn't care less, I just merely wanted to point that out. I love my orange 636 and it's quick enough for me. Once you're in the twisties, you might not have the same exit power, but you can still have fun.

and 6, orange is the best by far mate..

[Quasievil]

that's what happens when you ride thous for too long. But that would go without saying. It's like someone used to a 600 (such as myself) getting on a 250 or 400.. They're still quick to those who are used to them, but when you've had more, downsizing just doesn't cut it. Doesn't mean they're still slow bikes..

not takin offence either. Couldn't care less, I just merely wanted to point that out. I love my orange 636 and it's quick enough for me. Once you're in the twisties, you might not have the same exit power, but you can still have fun.

and 6, orange is the best by far mate..

Bloody Well said Buggy:clap:

[Oscar]

Fuck off it looks bloody awesome, if ya want to start slagging colour schemes stick with the uninspiring boring 20 year ols graphics style of your own bike brand susucki


That would be you on Te Rapa Road on Sunday wid de personalised plate then?

Contribution to this thread: I have a DL1000.

Big is better.
I am big.
My bike is big.
Life is gut.
Ja?

[MSTRS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerryg

It's simple: normal well-adjusted people with LIVES ........:



Im guessing you havent meet me yet MSTRS?
No I haven't. And I guess it's only a short hop from 'Stepthrough' to Belladonna. :whistle:

[MSTRS]

Big is better.

My bike is big.
Life is gut.
Ja?
Jawohl Mein Herr

[mattt]

Fuck there is alot of shite in this thread, alot of wanking up to litre boys and indicating anything less is slow, as far as Im concerned anyone can ride whatever the fuck they like but no one on here can ride a 1000 to half its limits on the road for more than a few secs, this is to also be said for a 600 also....... so whats the point in having one ? dunno really ,each to his own I guess

OK - the guys on tv on thous - Rossi , Gibo then Corsa and the WSBK guys... Well they getting 98-100% from their bikes (Rossi prob getting 105%) and their tires last 45min before they are FUCKED.

Sooo, If you can get - say - 3 x 3hr blats out of a rear tire on your thou, then mathematically you are riding your thou at an average of 17% of it's capabilities....

What do ya think about that, Grandma :motu:

[cowpoos]

Get lost ya pansy.



name calling....grow up!!!

[Oscar]

Jawohl Mein Herr

Splendid, Obergruppenfuher!
Assemble all der 1000cc Panzercycles und make mit der invasion of Poland!

[SixPackBack]

Fuck off it looks bloody awesome, if ya want to start slagging colour schemes stick with the uninspiring boring 20 year ols graphics style of your own bike brand susucki

thought i'd get a bite :rofl:

[MSTRS]

Splendid, Obergruppenfuher!
Assemble all der 1000cc Panzercycles und make mit der invasion of Poland!
Think it'll work this time?

[Oscar]

Think it'll work this time?


Ja!
We'll make mit der secret weapon - Helen Clark und Jerry Brownlee in der liederhosen and der leather unterwear.

[cowpoos]

OK - the guys on tv on thous - Rossi , Gibo then Corsa and the WSBK guys... Well they getting 98-100% from their bikes (Rossi prob getting 105%) and their tires last 45min before they are FUCKED.

Sooo, If you can get - say - 3 x 3hr blats out of a rear tire on your thou, then mathematically you are riding your thou at an average of 17% of it's capabilities....

What do ya think about that, Grandma :motu:

Yep...this is true....and they don't activly ride around trying to spin the rear out of corners...

and also don't for get they have more tire friendly suspension than us mortals.

[Big Dave]

Splendid, Obergruppenfuher!
Assemble all der 1000cc Panzercycles und make mit der invasion of Poland!

Considering all these jokers ride jap bikes perhaps you should consider Pearl Harbour instead?

[cowpoos]

Ja!
Helen Clark und Jerry Brownlee in der liederhosen and der leather unterwear.


MATE!!!! you have a weirod fantasy??

[Big Dave]

Yep...this is true....and they don't activly ride around trying to spin the rear out of corners...

and also don't for get they have more tire friendly suspension than us mortals.

I destroyed a sports compound Dunlop in one pass through Wioeka gorge.

[Oscar]

Considering all these jokers ride jap bikes perhaps you should consider Pearl Harbour instead?

Not at all - I am a multi-ethnic despot - I have der KTM FW190 for European Conquests and the DL1000 Zero-Zeke for the American Capitalist Pigdogs....

[Quasievil]

That would be you on Te Rapa Road on Sunday wid de personalised plate then?



Errrrr yeah that would be me, did I do anything naughty ?

[MSTRS]

Ja!
We'll make mit der secret weapon - Helen Clark und Jerry Brownlee in der liederhosen and der leather unterwear.
Anyone tell tell you that you are EVIL? Or sick. Or both. I need to go have a little lie down - I'm not feeling well all of a sudden.

[Quasievil]

thought i'd get a bite :rofl:


that you did matey

[cowpoos]

I destroyed a sports compound Dunlop in one pass through Wioeka gorge.

Did you have air in it???

Thats a pretty good effort...what are the details of this conquest...bike,speeds,....I'm presuming it wasn't a knobbly? or?

[Ixion]

Ja!
We'll make mit der secret weapon - Helen Clark und Jerry Brownlee in der liederhosen and der leather unterwear.

Pah, I do not fear your piffling weapon. I have the mudder of all horror weapons.

Parekura Horomia in a pink tutu and Turiana Turia in orange lycra bodysuit

[Oscar]

Errrrr yeah that would be me, did I do anything naughty ?

Aside from riding something in that hideous colour?
Nah....

[Oscar]

Pah, I do not fear your piffling weapon. I have the mudder of all horror weapons.

Parekura Horomia in a pink tutu and Turiana Turia in orange lycra bodysuit

Arrghhh!!!!
Prepare the surrender documents...

[Big Dave]

Did you have air in it???

Thats a pretty good effort...what are the details of this conquest...bike,speeds,....I'm presuming it wasn't a knobbly? or?


2-up on the fully loaded Trophy and went flat out. reality was the tyre wasn't designed for the weight - but it was pretty good fun wrecking it.

[Slingshot]

OK - the guys on tv on thous - Rossi , Gibo then Corsa and the WSBK guys... Well they getting 98-100% from their bikes (Rossi prob getting 105%) and their tires last 45min before they are FUCKED.

Sooo, If you can get - say - 3 x 3hr blats out of a rear tire on your thou, then mathematically you are riding your thou at an average of 17% of it's capabilities....

What do ya think about that, Grandma :motu:

Interesting theory, but the tires on race bikes are designed to be as sticky as possible and as such they simply do not last..

[WINJA]

Interesting theory, but the tires on race bikes are designed to be as sticky as possible and as such they simply do not last..
I GOT 600 KM OUT OF A NEW SET OF MICHELIN HISPORT ON THE ROAD , RACE TYRES ARENT ALWAYS GOOD ON CHIPSEAL ,THEY CAN GRIND THEMSELVES TO BITS , MIND YOU THAT WAS 96 TYRE TECHNOLOGY.

[mattt]

and also don't for get they have more tire friendly suspension than us mortals.

Yeh but do you think 260hp sort of kinda cancels that out?



I GOT 600 KM OUT OF A NEW SET OF MICHELIN HISPORT ON THE ROAD , RACE TYRES ARENT ALWAYS GOOD ON CHIPSEAL ,THEY CAN GRIND THEMSELVES TO BITS , MIND YOU THAT WAS 96 TYRE TECHNOLOGY
.

Rossi and co would kill an average tire in 20min on the track I guess?
Imagine what he'd do to a top road tyre down 22 if he knew it as well as FF. :wait:
Fuck Taupo, I say they seal 22 with hotmix - and put the motogp boys on that - then we'll see who has big nuts... There's even a servo half way for gibo :dodge:

[WINJA]

Yeh but do you think 260hp sort of kinda cancels that out?



Rossi and co would kill an average tire in 20min on the track I guess?
Imagine what he'd do to a top road tyre down 22 if he knew it as well as FF. :wait:
Fuck Taupo, I say they seal 22 with hotmix - and put the motogp boys on that - then we'll see who has big nuts... There's even a servo half way for gibo :dodge:
WHO GOT FIRED FOR FUCKEN UP THE FUEL LOAD.MIND YOU COULDA BEEN GIBO OWN FAULT .

[Motoracer]

Fuck Taupo, I say they seal 22 with hotmix - and put the motogp boys on that - then we'll see who has big nuts... There's even a servo half way for gibo :dodge:

That's debatable. I reckon Bruce Anstey and Shau Harris would probably be quicker down SH22 than Even the top Moto GP names like Val Rossi... Though Rossi always seems to do well in pretty much anything so I wouldn't be too surprised if he won the Isle of man if he went there and raced..

Race track conditions and open road conditions are still worlds apart though.. It takes a totaly different mind set to go fuken fast from one to the other.

[mikey]

fuck your a bunch of pussys a litre isnt enough, should all be riding 1500cc two strokes, 3 500Gp engines bolted together i reckon

[Motoracer]

fuck your a bunch of pussys a litre isnt enough, should all be riding 1500cc two strokes, 3 500Gp engines bolted together i reckon

Fuck, you must be a rich c*nt if you can afford to change your rear tire in every 50 kms...

[erik]

Rossi and co would kill an average tire in 20min on the track I guess?
Imagine what he'd do to a top road tyre down 22 if he knew it as well as FF....

I'm pretty sure road tyres are harder than race tyres - they sacrifice grip/stickyness for toughness so that they last longer.
On the track they only need the tyres to last 22 laps or whatever it is and they need all the traction they can get, so they make them out of a softer stickyer compound.
So using a road tyre on the track or getting rossi on a bike on a road tyre isn't going to make the tyres wear out faster than a race tyre. Unless they're softer than race tyres, which I don't know if you can get.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[mikey]

Fuck, you must be a rich c*nt if you can afford to change your rear tire in every 50 kms...

nah just turn em into slicks an sell em off, could be a business venture

[Motoracer]

nah just turn em into slicks an sell em off, could be a business venture

Make sure you drill little holes in them to make em look like they've got wear markers..

[Funkyfly]

Yep...this is true....and they don't activly ride around trying to spin the rear out of corners...

and also don't for get they have more tire friendly suspension than us mortals.

Hehe, bro you do realise they are riding on a tyre compound designed to only last one race right? If you rode that same compound on litre bikes on NZ roads it would tear chunks outta it!

[SPman]

If I hit another fucken pothole like tonight, my thousand will be a fucken penis extension! - or replacement!:doctor:

[**R1**]

Couldnt be arsed reading the whole thread, but i have a question for all the 600 girls......can you pop wheelies at 160k in 3rd without killing your clutch??

[inlinefour]

Couldnt be arsed reading the whole thread, but i have a question for all the 600 girls......can you pop wheelies at 160k in 3rd without killing your clutch??

But I suspect that a comment like that could have something to do with anadequacies else where??? (PT) :rofl:

[larriken]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?

Why not?

[mattt]

If litre bikes cost the same as 6hundies, and tyres were free.

What would you be riding?

[The Stranger]

No thanks Mr poos.
If I did I might start questioning why I would want a litre bike.

[avgas]

fuck your a bunch of pussys a litre isnt enough, should all be riding 1500cc two strokes, 3 500Gp engines bolted together i reckon
Dont tempt me....its only a matter of time till i do. That or something i with a big fudge off turbo and supercharger.

[jimbo600]

Couldnt be arsed reading the whole thread, but i have a question for all the 600 girls......can you pop wheelies at 160k in 3rd without killing your clutch??

No but it's makes your day givin' litre bikes the learn on a 600. Nothing better than watchin a thou owner get all rubber lippy cos he got duffed up by a little ol' 6hundy.

[**R1**]

But I suspect that a comment like that could have something to do with anadequacies else where??? (PT) :rofl:You should pop over and find out for ya self pretty boy.......


All this bull shit about adequacies, i know a few chicks with 1000cc bikes, what are THEY making up for??? I used to look at old fucks in there BMW's and Farrari's and say that they were making up for a small peka, but i was just jelous, im stating to think the same about people who knock 1000cc sport bikes, i think its them with no balls, and wishing they had what it takes to ride a fast bike......

[R1madness]

HAhaha its all about likeing what you ride. I dont care if a 250 stuffs it up the inside (it would be useless of them if they couldn't do that). Just watch out when i get to a bit i can use my bikes advantage. everyone likes to do different shit. I like rear wheel steering but cant do it on a 600 on the road but on a 1k its easy. Sure you are down on mid corner speed but who cares if thats your bag good for you. Have a go on everything you get offered. Dont knock someone elses shit til you have tried it.

[Jackrat]

Interesting huh,
Not really.
I've always liked mid range bikes because they suit me.
Thou's an the like suit other people,more power to them I reckon.
But one thing thats always amused me has been a couple of mates that got so many tickets on their 1000/1100's that they gave up riding all togeather.
Wouldn't go down on CC an couldn't control their trigger fingers on the big bikes so today they ride a car :clap:
The EX Wicked was like that I reckon,couldn't work out that you can enjoy yourself on ANYTHING,,,,,,,If your a biker. :devil2:

[Ixion]

Interesting huh,
Not really.
I've always liked mid range bikes because they suit me.
Thou's an the like suit other people,more power to them I reckon.
But one thing thats always amused me has been a couple of mates that got so many tickets on their 1000/1100's that they gave up riding all togeather.
Wouldn't go down on CC an couldn't control their trigger fingers on the big bikes so today they ride a car :clap:
The EX Wicked was like that I reckon,couldn't work out that you can enjoy yourself on ANYTHING,,,,,,,If your a biker. :devil2:

That's one reason I like smaller bikes (sometimes, anyway). Tis more fun pushing a bike to its limits than having to baby along something with far more power that you can't use.

Big is good for touring, nice lazy motor spinning slow, and lotsa torque so as not to have to change down. But for fun hooning a little 'un is better cos you can wrap it hard. Figuring out how to get the last bit of spped and cornering from a bike is quite fun. 'Twould be fun on a big one too , if there were no cops and roads were like race tracks. As there are, and they aren't, 150hp is pretty much wasted.

Suspect this is part of the attraction of bucket racing - pushing a bike to its utter limits. Rossi can do that on a 1000 - I can't.

[WINJA]

You should pop over and find out for ya self pretty boy.......


All this bull shit about adequacies, i know a few chicks with 1000cc bikes, what are THEY making up for??? .
SMALL TITS

[pritch]

WHO GOT FIRED FOR FUCKEN UP THE FUEL LOAD.MIND YOU COULDA BEEN GIBO OWN FAULT .

I read that it was more in the nature of a mechanical/electronic failure. Some part (of the efi system?) that is supposed to regulate the flow of fuel died and as a consequence fuel usage was higher than anticipated.

That "curse" Rossi put on Sete, "Gibeneau will not win another GP" is starting to look pretty damned effective :-)

[MD]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?


are you going to be riding around on a bike that in real terms is going to be only as fast as your mates 600 through the twisties? I'm right arn't I ?

...I want to know what people think?
Imagine the stress I face seeing these in my garage trying to decide which to ride?
Buy one of them and I will tell you which is better, medium or large - and I'll upsize your fries plus a coke.

edit: oops, sorry about the pixel size. bloody camera seems to live in gigabyte world
And what do I take to Manfeild tomorrow?? Life stinks ...NOT!

[avgas]

2L is all good too
or 1.3 Turbo...hell even a crappy starlet has that
still like my little 2 strokes though, or most small bore bikes - so chuckable, i mean through a fence, off a bank, down the road...... Try that on the new R1 and u get one fudge off bill to fix it the damn thing is written off and you feel bad

[avgas]

SMALL TITS
or penis? :)

[Brains]

With a litre bike you don't need to prove anything. Someone wants to race (ie boy racer), it's like fuck off dickhead I got a 10second bike here, go race that chick in the starlet. Anything less than a litre, and you're always trying to prove something - I know, been there done that.

[Quasievil]

With a litre bike you don't need to prove anything. Someone wants to race (ie boy racer), it's like fuck off dickhead I got a 10second bike here, go race that chick in the starlet. Anything less than a litre, and you're always trying to prove something - I know, been there done that.

Oh come on brains youre compromising your name, any boy racer that even tries anything is always in the dust of my 600 its 0-100kms in a fraction over 3 secs, what boy race can match that ?:hitcher:

[cowpoos]

With a litre bike you don't need to prove anything. Someone wants to race (ie boy racer), it's like fuck off dickhead I got a 10second bike here, go race that chick in the starlet. Anything less than a litre, and you're always trying to prove something - I know, been there done that.



You realise that after your little rant that you own a cbr1000rr...did you realise that a gsx-r 750 is quicker...to 100kmph and over the quater!!

sounds like you have something to prove now...lol

Somebody got a little willy... :rofl:

[WINJA]

Oh come on brains youre compromising your name, any boy racer that even tries anything is always in the dust of my 600 its 0-100kms in a fraction over 3 secs, what boy race can match that ?:hitcher:
I RACED AN RX3 AND YOU MIGHT BE PUSHING IT TO BEAT HIM , I WAS CHOPPIN
DOWN THE GEARS, I KNOW YOUR 6 WOULD BE GOOD FOR 50,000KM AND HIS J OR P PORT WOULD ONLY BE GOOD FOR 5,000KM BUT FARK IT WAS FAST ESPECIALLY OVER 200KMH

[WINJA]

You realise that after your little rant that you own a cbr1000rr...did you realise that a gsx-r 750 is quicker...to 100kmph and over the quater!!

sounds like you have something to prove now...lol

Somebody got a little willy... :rofl:
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE 750 KILLED THE CBR1000 AT MASTERBIKE LAST YEAR

[Biff]

Although my bike isn't a litre bike, it would've been if the salesman had convinced me to test-ride a Blackybird. I need it because my penis is only average, and I need it extended.

Like the Vifferman, I too was endowed with an average size appendage. Then I bought a Blackbird - and I now have a career as Ron Jeremy's stunt double. I also use my newandimprovedenourmous penis as a side stand for the Biff Bird. Very useful when stationary at traffic lights. Although it's a little dangerous to whip the mighty python out when stationary at a pedestrian crossing. Only last week I whipped out the giant purple warrior at a pedestrian crossing and a group of Green Peace activists tripped over it - declared it an endangered species and stuck a whopping great flag down the end of it. It was sore for days.

[Sensei]

No one ride's 6undy's in our Crew all 1000cc bike's . Haven't had ago on a 6undy for awhile so will have to get onto one to see how much slower they are from my K3 .As for them cornering better ?? None have never got that close to even try . Hope Inline4 lets me try his new CBR 600RR should be excellent ride a " PIT BIKE " again :motu:

[loosebruce]

Oh come on brains youre compromising your name, any boy racer that even tries anything is always in the dust of my 600 its 0-100kms in a fraction over 3 secs, what boy race can match that ?:hitcher:

The bike matbe capable of that, but are you.

I happen to know a few cars (road driven) that would dust a litre bike of the line and so, you'd be amazed just how well a 4WD can launch with the right driver behind the wheel. And if you want to put your money where your mouth is take your 600 to the night wars drags and see how many cars are in your dust.

[Quasievil]

The bike matbe capable of that, but are you.

I happen to know a few cars (road driven) that would dust a litre bike of the line and so, you'd be amazed just how well a 4WD can launch with the right driver behind the wheel. And if you want to put your money where your mouth is take your 600 to the night wars drags and see how many cars are in your dust.

Im kinda refering to the cars I see everyday around town, not friggin drag cars, and to date I havent been out dragged on my 636.

[Sensei]

I know that 6undy's are bloody quick now adays . But what they make at the motor 1000's have 20+ more Hp at the wheel . Most people that I know that ride 1000cc bike's can ride them not just in a fast line either . And those that ride 600 ride very fast do so because the bike lets them though excellent handling as with the 1000's . No choice has to be made on size to make anyone else happy just yourself at the end of it .

[Quasievil]

I think this thread has become pointless, it holds no debate and no end is in site, have fun with it Im out

[SPman]

3 weeks on a 1000 and I dont think Id go back to a 750 again, let alone a 600.! So easy to ride for lazy old pricks like me! Dont think I'd ever get up to your guys pace though - too old, blind,stiff....

[Zookey]

Ive allways been misguided here,and all the talk is on metric sports bikes but put my 110kgs,a rack bag with 20 kgs and a light Lady at 58 on a 600 up the Wairoa road ,well hullo! even a basic 1400 Harley is like a Vespa, Ya All getting it now? :puke:

[oldrider]

Biff, that was an impressive post. Rawley's used to make an ointment for that. :doctor:

[oldrider]

WINJA, your new avatar softens the aggression in your posts. Take away the CAPITAL punishment and you will totally loose your impact. Toughen up man get your aggressive image back up to full song. You owe it to your readers. :dodge: Cheers John.

[mstriumph]

but i don't HAVE a penis? [or a litre bike, as is meant here methinks] ----- nevertheless, MY 5 cents worth is, after owning my [not-quite-litre]bike for only a few days i am DRUNK with the power of her and would have to be dragged kicking and screaming back to a less powerful bike

so there :motu:
or penis? :)

[Mooch]

3 weeks on a 1000 and I dont think Id go back to a 750 again, let alone a 600.! So easy to ride for lazy old pricks like me! Dont think I'd ever get up to your guys pace though - too old, blind,stiff....

Totally agree with you SP , Having tried a sports 1000 I found it so easy to live with , You don't even need to ride it properly to carry along at a cracking speed. You could be so lazy with them , didn't need to use gears , just use the rollon power. I just didn't enjoy riding as much as a result, but any advantage a smaller cc bike had around corners , was made up within a few seconds on a straight. Is this real motorcycling ? , not sure , make's it too easy , and as a result you don't get the best out of a motorcycle. I think I had the most motorcycling enjoyment carving corners on a 250 two stroke , Ducati that I have currently is great , more in an on throttle / off throttle kind of way. Sounds awesome , better braking and cornering.
Probably a small hand full of Kiwibikers that could get the most out of a 1000cc , I'm not one of them , value my life and others too much for that.
Having said all that , I'd consider one , not for ego reasons , but for the purerly for the reason they are so easy to ride and live with and can carry plenty of luggage.

[The Stranger]

I hate running machinery at capacity.
The harder you work it the sooner it will fail.
A 1000 ridden at 75% will (on the balance of probability) outlast a 600 ridden at 90%

[James Deuce]

I hate running machinery at capacity.
The harder you work it the sooner it will fail.
A 1000 ridden at 75% will (on the balance of probability) outlast a 600 ridden at 90%

Run a 1000 OR a 600 at 75% and you'll either end up walking, in jail, occupying a hospital bed, or dedicating your physical form to the Earth as a greasy monument to wilful overconfidence.

[JohnBoy]

Run a 1000 OR a 600 at 75% and you'll either end up walking, in jail, occupying a hospital bed, or dedicating your physical form to the Earth as a greasy monument to wilful overconfidence.

most true... thats why we do trackdays! but i agree, i havent realy taken mine above 9000rpm in the higher gears... its just a little too quick for the road. BUT WHAT A FEELING!!! maaan its fast :devil2:

[oldrider]

but i don't HAVE a penis? so there :motu:

Whats wrong with you, you can have as many as you like!! :rofl:

[inlinefour]

With a litre bike you don't need to prove anything. Someone wants to race (ie boy racer), it's like fuck off dickhead I got a 10second bike here, go race that chick in the starlet. Anything less than a litre, and you're always trying to prove something - I know, been there done that.

I know allready that I can ride like a nanna so a 600 will suit me fine :rofl:

[mstriumph]

oh chortle, chortle, fall about!!
nothing wrong - just mega-picky is all!

Whats wrong with you, you can have as many as you like!! :rofl:

[Monsterbishi]

For those of us who aren't short and featherweight, litre bikes are good machines, practical in the respect that the engine is more durable than a smaller one that makes the same power but at higher revs.

[WINJA]

I know allready that I can ride like a nanna so a 600 will suit me fine :rofl:
IF YOU RIDE LIKE A NANNA YOU NEED A ROCKET TO CATCH EM DOWN THE STRAIGHT

[mstriumph]

Winja - you've .... erm .... changed :rofl:

[WINJA]

Winja - you've .... erm .... changed :rofl:
GO TO HELL , PAINT MY ROOF FIRST

[mstriumph]

do not pass 'go'
do not collect $200


GO TO HELL , PAINT MY ROOF FIRST

[bumsex]

mmm...
gots me a TL1000... it's fucken fast (for me). Having owned a lot of smaller bikes over the years nothing compares to the (seemingly) endless power available.
Say what you will about me...you're just jealous!!!

Ps: I just learned about this sites' rating system. To whoever it was that gave me bad rep for my name and my opinion FUCK YOU. Idiots.

[crshbndct]

anyone seen ghost rider?

thats why you need a thou

[Zed]

anyone seen ghost rider?

thats why you need a thouOne of his favoured bikes is a 1300cc, so technically not a thou.

Who? This guy! :clap:

[crshbndct]

One of his favoured bikes is a 1300cc, so technically not a thou.

Who? This guy! :clap:

i suppose you could say that a thou isnt big enough, then.

[SPORK]

One of his favoured bikes is a 1300cc, so technically not a thou.

Who? This guy! :clap:
Dont forget one of his Hayabusas is turboed. Wheelies at 300+...

[mstriumph]

*sigh* .... a 200+ post thread ..... and after years of being told "size doesn't matter" ............. :wait:

[texmo]

I saw a vid of him doing a burn out on the motorway on the hayabusas

[Two Smoker]

Dont forget one of his Hayabusas is turboed. Wheelies at 300+...

both are turboed, one being a streetfighter (499BHP) and one fully faired (412BHP???)

[texmo]

I tohugh he has a carbon R1 none turboed as his main bike?

[Two Smoker]

I tohugh he has a carbon R1 none turboed as his main bike?

No a full carbon fairing GSX-R1000...

[Zed]

i suppose you could say that a thou isnt big enough, then.Not if you want the fastest production motorcycle in the world. Ghostrider certainly knows his bikes, but is he still *alive* to ride them? :scratch:

[Sensei]

Are like this

[texmo]

hmmm nice bike... im sure the carbon fiber makes it go a lot faster

[SPORK]

Not if you want the fastest production motorcycle in the world. Ghostrider certainly knows his bikes, but is he still *alive* to ride them? :scratch:
Yes, he's just releasing a new video. Called "GR Goes Undercover" or something. Also, if you preorder it, you can win a jet black Turboed GSX-R 1000 K5.

Ghost Rider's my idol.

[cowpoos]

mmm...
gots me a TL1000... it's fucken fast (for me). Having owned a lot of smaller bikes over the years nothing compares to the (seemingly) endless power available.
Say what you will about me...you're just jealous!!!

Ps: I just learned about this sites' rating system. To whoever it was that gave me bad rep for my name and my opinion FUCK YOU. Idiots.


I presume your directing that coment about being jelous at me....well...erm...guess what dip shit I own a tls
and if you read the start of the thread probally...I said modern...tls ain't that modern anymore....and by the way before you acuse me of putting bad rep on you...wasn't me...but you probally deserved it.

[inlinefour]

One of his favoured bikes is a 1300cc, so technically not a thou.

Who? This guy! :clap:

Finally got off top gear and onto a motorcycle :clap:

[Sensei]

Just finished reading lastest RAPID Mag with write up on the Top 1000cc bikes up for grab's GSXR-R1-ZX-MV-999-RSVR even tho the GSXR take top spot over all , the whole Japanese group was the winner as far as been excellent Road going race bikes . The 2 Twin's both Top bikes in their own right as well . I think we all would take any of these bikes if given to us with out a Blink of the eye . :Punk:

[Two Smoker]

Finally got off top gear and onto a motorcycle :clap:

hehehe...

But really the "stig" is Perry Macarthy, who used to be a formula one driver in the early nineties... He was (and still is i think) a successful Audi works driver...

[texmo]

That makes sence in one of the episode he drove a f1 car, was pretty sure he must of had previous exprence for them to let him drive it.

[SimJen]

Perry McCarthy is no longer the Stig, he was sacked due to him using the Stig name to advertise his biography. Noone knows who the new Stig is? at the moment. :)

[James Deuce]

Perry McCarthy is no longer the Stig, he was sacked due to him using the Stig name to advertise his biography. Noone knows who the new Stig is? at the moment. :)

I'm picking Johnny Herbert. They've used his Kart Track a couple of times for tests now, plus he wasn't phased by the Renault F1 car at all.

He's also a short arse with a sense of humour.

[SPman]

I reckon Johnny Herbet as well!

[crshbndct]

i heard damon hill did some stig duties at one stage

[Sniper]

Heres my opinions to litre bike. I would have one, but only after I tire of a 600

[VasalineWarrior]

no, its not really necessary but people buy them for the exact same reason cage driver get big V8's-because they can. the fact that you have more grunt than just about anyone else on the road is an allurring factor, and with the price of 600's and 750's being only a few grand short of a 1000cc bike, they just go ''why not?''.
the fact that you can go faster through the twisties on a 600 makes little diffrence to them, since you have to basically be a choice rider to get the most out of a bike, and very few people can do this on a 600, let alone a 1000 (sorry nick i dont mean you).
personally though? i say go with the 600 and develop those skills a bit more! knee sliders were meant to be scuffed.

[*sic]

overkill..

as already stated a 600 will put enough HP to the ground for most people, and still maintain a great cornering ability..

although every red blooded male will enjoy something that goes faster..

[Brains]

"I want what all men want, I want more" Troy, (or something like that). That I think pretty much sums up the why of the litre bike ownership.

[RiderInBlack]

Have not read the rest of this, but I'll give you my reasons why I like "Roxanne" the CBR1000F.


She's great over long distances.
She doesn't mind a pillion.
She'll carry the kitchen sink and not complain.
Yet she will still go around the twisties OK on the days I join other riders on a day hoon.
If I was buying a bike for just day hoons or track time, then I would have bought a 600 or 750 full racing type bike (or tried harder to find another VFR750 like the one I had before "Roxanne").

If I really wanted to get a prick enlargeing bike, I buy something totally stupid and unpractical like a "Rocket" or a "Boss Hog". Then again, I love to play with a Blackbird or Busa just for the hell of it:devil2:

[Dafe]

I've got a little correlation to this thread.

If you put a 1980 Mitsubishi Mirage Hatch in front of me - I won't wanna drive it.
A 1992 Toyota Celica - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2000 Mitusbishi Galant - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2004 Luxury model Mercedes - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 HumVee - I'll take that for a drive.
A Ferrari ENZO - Just give it to me.

Now the Bike equivalent.

A 1990 ZXR 250 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 1997 CBR400 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 2004 CBR600 - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 GSXR1000 - I'll take that for a ride!
A 2005 MV Auguta thou - Just give it to me.

Comprende?

Power = Fun.
Bigger = More Power = More Fun!

[Two Smoker]

I

Comprende?

Power = Fun.
Bigger = More Power = More Fun!

Being able to ride=fun

that means

ZXR250 = Fun (great for going around the outside of SV1000S)
CBR400 = Fun (able to stay infront of SV1000S)

Power for fun just means your not having fun in the corners...

Ultimate fun is being able to push a 1000cc bike in the corners AND utilising the power...

[WINJA]

SPEAKING OF LITRE BIKES , THE 06 BLADE HAS BEEN RELEASED WITH SOME GOOD PAINT JOBS

[texmo]

blue and yellow, red and black do these guys have an imagination?

[Dafe]

Good One Two smoker! You have the Mitsubishi Mirage then!

ZXR 250 into WGTN galeforce headwinds - Not fun, not pleasant at all infact.
SV1000S into WGTN Galeforce headwind - No worries - Still having fun.
Why... More Power!!!

[inlinefour]

blue and yellow, red and black do these guys have an imagination?

But when you have something that good, why change it? :woohoo:

[Dafe]

Looks like Otago and Canterbury and well catered for!
What about us North Islanders?

[WINJA]

But when you have something that good, why change it? :woohoo:
ACTUALLY THE SOURCE OF ONE OF THEM PICS SAID THE BLADE WAS , SLOW , FAT AND DIDNT HAVE VERY SHARP HANDLING , AND A NEW PAINT JOB WAS NOT ENOUGH TO IMPRESS THEM . THIS BIKE WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU INLINE AS YOU DONT NEED THE PERFORMANCE EDGE

[DEATH_INC.]

Power is addictive.
I sold the 12 due to handling deficiencies,but I still have fond memories of the 330kph runs and going sideways outta corners at 160k and hooking her up into a wheelie at 180kph in second......(I really miss the old tank)
The Turbo is totally unmanageable,yet I have it in bits looking for even more hp.
Lastly,as LB pointed out I'm having trouble keeping a few of the lads in sight now,the friggin thous leave me for dead outta corners,even with the 750 rev counter planted firmly in the red all the time.
If I keep riding as I do now I'm gonna have to get one too,just to keep up.
:ride:

[cowpoos]

I've got a little correlation to this thread.

If you put a 1980 Mitsubishi Mirage Hatch in front of me - I won't wanna drive it.
A 1992 Toyota Celica - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2000 Mitusbishi Galant - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2004 Luxury model Mercedes - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 HumVee - I'll take that for a drive.
A Ferrari ENZO - Just give it to me.

Now the Bike equivalent.

A 1990 ZXR 250 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 1997 CBR400 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 2004 CBR600 - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 GSXR1000 - I'll take that for a ride!
A 2005 MV Auguta thou - Just give it to me.

Comprende?

Power = Fun.
Bigger = More Power = More Fun!

errrr....Dafe.....most 600 hundies make more power than your SV...and out handle it....erm....so what is it that you know of having more power and having more fun??? Hmmm.....talking through a hole in your arse if you ask me...lol

[Two Smoker]

Good One Two smoker! You have the Mitsubishi Mirage then!

ZXR 250 into WGTN galeforce headwinds - Not fun, not pleasant at all infact.
SV1000S into WGTN Galeforce headwind - No worries - Still having fun.
Why... More Power!!!

Well obviously you need me to come down and show you how much fun i can have on my RG150 with Loosebruce on a ZXR250.... and in a head wind my RG150 still does 180kmh (on the speedo)

Also as you can see in my name i have a K5 GSX-R600 which has MORE power than a desiel of a SV1000S....

But do you know what!!!???? Who gives a fuck, we like bikes and bikes are fun to ride no matter what size they are.... Loosebruce had a blast on a ZXR250 and loved it even though he raves on about his 1000...

[bumsex]

I presume your directing that coment about being jelous at me....well...erm...guess what dip shit I own a tls
and if you read the start of the thread probally...I said modern...tls ain't that modern anymore....and by the way before you acuse me of putting bad rep on you...wasn't me...but you probally deserved it.


Yes I...erm... kinda figured you...erm...owned one too...because it states it so...um...erm...clearly at the top of your posts....and...well...erm...quess what I'm glad that you own a bike...and...erm... good on you but I'm not going to get into an...erm... argument here. ...erm.
Plaease read what I wrote in that post properly (re: before you accuse me of putting bad rep on you)

Thanks.
Chris

p.s A reduction in your consumption of lemons could improve your attitude (lemon=sour!)

[limmy]

[QUOTE=Dafe]I've got a little correlation to this thread.

If you put a 1980 Mitsubishi Mirage Hatch in front of me - I won't wanna drive it.
A 1992 Toyota Celica - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2000 Mitusbishi Galant - I won't wanna drive it.
A 2004 Luxury model Mercedes - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 HumVee - I'll take that for a drive.
A Ferrari ENZO - Just give it to me.

Now the Bike equivalent.

A 1990 ZXR 250 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 1997 CBR400 - I won't wanna ride it.
A 2004 CBR600 - Now you've started getting my attention.
A 2005 GSXR1000 - I'll take that for a ride!
A 2005 MV Auguta thou - Just give it to me.
/QUOTE]

i totally agree with the correlation. i may not be a good driver but it would be my dream to have an enzo. so why wouldn't this apply to bikes? It is very true that i don't need a thou....but i want one. i will never own an enzo or humvee but a K5 is not out of my reach. People keep on telling me that i'm going get myself killed if i get a litre bike but yet i see lot of lively litre bike riders so i'm thinking this "dead litre bike rider" thing is just an urban legend. hahahahaha!! :laugh:

[RiderInBlack]

People keep on telling me that i'm going get myself killed if i get a litre bike but yet i see lot of lively litre bike riders so i'm thinking this "dead litre bike rider" thing is just an urban legend. hahahahaha!! :laugh:The size of the bike doesn't kill you, it's usually the Idiots that you share the road with (that includes the most import Idiot, the one riding the bike your on). If you don't treat your bike with respect and don't get skilled at handeling it, you are more likely to get killed.

[texmo]

Well obviously you need me to come down and show you how much fun i can have on my RG150 with Loosebruce on a ZXR250.... and in a head wind my RG150 still does 180kmh (on the speedo)

Also as you can see in my name i have a K5 GSX-R600 which has MORE power than a desiel of a SV1000S....

But do you know what!!!???? Who gives a fuck, we like bikes and bikes are fun to ride no matter what size they are.... Loosebruce had a blast on a ZXR250 and loved it even though he raves on about his 1000...
Is your RG standard?

[texmo]

I was speaking with a german guy last night who is here on an oe for 8 months and he told me 5000 people aged between 18 and 21 kill them selves each year on motorcycles, no other vehicles involved, I dont know how true this is though.

[Two Smoker]

Is your RG standard?

Yes it is standard

[White trash]

...anyone that doesn't ride a litre bike is a raving homo. Plain and simple.

[Two Smoker]

...anyone that doesn't ride a litre bike is a raving homo. Plain and simple.

Well you must be a raving homo....ooohhhhhhhhh gutted, i am too :crybaby:

[JohnBoy]

...anyone that doesn't ride a litre bike is a raving homo. Plain and simple.


sounds funny... but i can see the truth in that!

LIFE BEGINS @ 1000CC!! :devil2: :devil2:

[White trash]

sounds funny... but i can see the truth in that!

LIFE BEGINS @ 1000CC!! :devil2: :devil2:

"Pssst! John! 988cc. You're in the homo club too. Sorry."

[JohnBoy]

"Pssst! John! 988cc. You're in the homo club too. Sorry."

ok.. got me there. Just dont tell anyone, K

[Qkchk]

To tell the truth (which doesn't seem to happen much 'round here...) I have found those Suzuki Street'tragic'Majic a ball. Had one for a couple of hours and it rocked!! Imagine trying to climb stairs and ride down pedestrian areas on a 1000cc....... great fun.. :2thumbsup