Top 100 dangerous intersections announced

[Gremlin]

So NZTA has published the Top 100 Intersections they've identified for more focus to reduce crashes and injuries (and fatalities).

Media Release: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/about/media/releases/3284/news.html
Downloads: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/high-risk-intersections-guide/ (rhs side, 3rd link is the 100 spots - don't scroll through the 134 page doc looking for it :rolleyes:)

Using a fair chunk of the Auckland intersections on a regular basis (several times a week), I can't help but notice some are large with full traffic light control. Exactly how are you going to improve that? It reminds me of the Ti Rakau and Trugood intersection. Traffic turning right into Trugood can turn right when space is available in straight through traffic, except, with increased crashes over the last while, for parts of the day, this option is removed, and it's either red or green right turn. I've also noticed the difference around the country, with other cities requiring more thought to give way rules, whereas Auckland takes less of a thinking approach and more reds and greens, no middle ground.

If only they spent more time and money on increasing driver skill and discipline, then they wouldn't need to "improve" intersections...

[James Deuce]

Zollner and Knackstedt sound like the surnames of people who should be designing gas chambers, errr, shower rooms.

[Mike.Gayner]

Interesting that none of these has more than 3 deaths per year in the 2 years recorded.

[Gremlin]

Interesting that none of these has more than 3 deaths per year in the 2 years recorded.
Data covers 2003-2012 period, so 10 years. Of course, an intersection could have received upgrades during that time, so hard to tell whether it needs improving from it's current state, or an earlier one.

[Mike.Gayner]

Data covers 2003-2012 period, so 10 years. Of course, an intersection could have received upgrades during that time, so hard to tell whether it needs improving from it's current state, or an earlier one.

Correct you are, I read it as 2012-13, but it's actually 2003-12.

[Asher]

They should put more speed cameras on straight roads, that will fix it.

[T.W.R]

Some of those have been historically high risk intersections for decades

#14: Russley Rd/ Memorial Ave wont be on the list for much longer as it's being turned into a Fly-over were Memorial Ave will go over Russley Rd to the Airport.
The 1st accident the old man attended as a popo was there in the 60s...during the clean-up he picked a pile of mush...turned out to be the scalp of the guy who'd put his car under a truck.:sick:

#63: Riccarton Rd/ Clarence St has always been high risk....Riccarton Rd was once the busiest road in NZ.
Remember as a kid seeing an accident there when a truck breaked heavy for a red light...load shifted on the deck with the top of the load going through the cab and taking the drivers head clean off.:sick:

[pritch]

On checking my local intersections the names are very familiar. Anyone driving to New Plymouth from the north will pass three, none of which is in any way tricky. The problem is and always has been, crap driving: people pulling out of the side road either because of bad judgement, impatience, or just plain failing to look.

But you should see the measures Andy and his mates have put in place: an extended 80kph area which included passing lanes, so the passing lanes have been closed off because their bible says you don't have passing lanes in an 80kph area. I suppose one has to concede that the congenital idiots that pull out in front of traffic will now be safer because they will be hit by a vehicle travelling at 80kph instead of 100kph - perhaps.

The problem though is not caused by the roads, it is outright bad driving. So all the shagging about closing lanes and changing limits might make Knackerhead feel good but it does nothing to address the problem.

/RANT

[Big Dave]

And what about where hopes and dreams meet reality.

[Berries]

And what about where hopes and dreams meet reality.
Milton?

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[pritch]

Milton?

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Cohen.....

[unstuck]

Phew, only one in Southland, and thats miles away. Im safe.:banana:

[Banditbandit]

Only one in the Bay of Plenty too - just east of Tauranga/Papamoa ...

An amazing number in Napier/Hastings .. what's wrong with the drivers over there ???

[T.W.R]

Milton?

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Bloody place! only spot I've ever been caught by a speed camera :facepalm:

[awa355]

There are safe intersections??:bs:

[St_Gabriel]

The boss turned me down when I asked for "danger money" considering I had to traverse 6 of the top 100 on a simple trip from Hamilton to Tokoroa, Dunno how I made it there alive...

[Big Dave]

Cohen.....


Billy Joel moment.

[Gremlin]

The boss turned me down when I asked for "danger money" considering I had to traverse 6 of the top 100 on a simple trip from Hamilton to Tokoroa, Dunno how I made it there alive...
Hey, I should try that one (then avoid the beating). I use around 13 quite regularly (Te Irirangi, Ti Rakau and entering/exiting the city on Nelson/Hobson) just for work, then the total climbs to probably about 20 when country riding is included.

In my countrywide travels I've probably done most! Statistically... I'm fucked :shit:

[rastuscat]

If only they spent more time and money on increasing driver skill and discipline, then they wouldn't need to "improve" intersections...

Ah, the crux of the problem.

If we increase our skills ourselves instead of expecting the gubbermint to do it, the nation would be a safer place to use the roads in.

Why do we give control to someone else? Because that way we absolve ourselves of responsibility.

Just sayin.

[James Deuce]

Ah, the crux of the problem.

If we increase our skills ourselves instead of expecting the gubbermint to do it, the nation would be a safer place to use the roads in.

Why do we give control to someone else? Because that way we absolve ourselves of responsibility.

Just sayin.

Wrong country to ever develop that mindset without Government interference.

[pzkpfw]

Reliance on other (civilian) people, is no better than reliance on Government.

After all, how many sober people who've done defensive driving training (etc) have been killed by other people who were drunk and/or just crap drivers/riders (etc)?

I'm not saying we shouldn't all up-skill ourselves, but it's also silly to not expect/want "the Government" to spend some of our tax dollars fixing the clearly dodgy road situations.

[James Deuce]

There are no bad roads. Just bad people.

[pzkpfw]

There are no bad roads. Just bad people.

That's too simplistic.

Even where the real problem is "bad people", in some cases it is easiest to protect the "good people" by changing the "(not) bad roads".

Just look at how many people still can't do something as simple as indicate properly on a roundabout. You think you can fix all the roading issues through education and training?

[Big Dave]

You think you can fix all the roading issues through education and training?

That, and eugenics.

[yevjenko]

Only one in the Bay of Plenty too - just east of Tauranga/Papamoa ...

An amazing number in Napier/Hastings .. what's wrong with the drivers over there ???

Large number of tourists and confusing one way/dual carriageway sections with signs only seconds before the intersection gets my bet

sent from my phone (so scuze auto correct typos)

[Bass]

Mate's wife killed at #1.
Probably mostly due to idiot driving (not seeing/ignoring compulsory stop) but even so, I'm happy if they spend some money to reduce the risk.

[yevjenko]

These stats are absolute numbers. Wouldn't it make more sense to have crashes per number of users of each intersection?

[Banditbandit]

These stats are absolute numbers. Wouldn't it make more sense to have crashes per number of users of each intersection?

Naaa ... the cost/benefit analyse only takes into account how many deaths occurred - nothing too subtle like how may deaths per vehicle movement.

[yevjenko]

Naaa ... the cost/benefit analyse only takes into account how many deaths occurred - nothing too subtle like how may deaths per vehicle movement.

Silly me for thinking it could be useful stats

[Swoop]

That's too simplistic.
I'm with Jim.

The road doesn't jump up and stab anyone. It is inert.
Humans cause the death/s.

A bit like guns really.

[Krayy]

Yes, Auckland WINS!! F**k the rest of NZ. This is so good, I'll do the rest of the post in Comic Sans....

Awesome effort people, really. I mean, I use about half those intersections all the time with my local that I pass daily was at #7, but the hell if I can cause an accident. I must be doing it wrong.

Maybe we could use this list as part of a rally course and see how many bikes we can lose on the way. Loser is the only one who stays upright for the whole course.

[Hinny]

Zollner and Knackstedt sound like the surnames of people who should be designing gas chambers, errr, shower rooms.

Knackstedt needs to fuck off back to Canada.
His personal annoyance factor alone is grounds for such a statement.
I consider his work 'output' has had an extremely negative effect on the safety and enjoyment of the motoring public of N.Z.
I consider his behaviour to be evocative of the dogmatic behaviour of born again Christians. Good intentions - Bad outcomes.

[R650R]

Wonder if in the stats they take into account the number of vehicles using an intersection. Its a bit pointless other wise to say most dangerous if not factored against number of safe journeys at same spot.

BTW woken up by scooter crash this morning, loudest ever bike crash outside my place, rider ok.

[Berries]

Wonder if in the stats they take into account the number of vehicles using an intersection. Its a bit pointless other wise to say most dangerous if not factored against number of safe journeys at same spot.
If they made a proper list based on crashes and exposure some of those with only two or three crashes would be higher risk than those with 50.

[FJRider]

This is one of my local dangerous intersections ... and this is after it has been "Improved" a few times. A few have been killed here ... and collisions here on a regular basis.

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Cromwell,+Otago&hl=en&ll=-45.033926,169.192114&spn=0.048949,0.077162&sll=-40.799894,175.310128&sspn=53.079053,79.013672&oq=Cromwell+&t=h&hnear=Cromwell,+Otago&z=14&layer=c&cbll=-45.03403,169.19221&panoid=q-zBUJSX9-I248gd3WlGtA&cbp=12,309.11,,0,0.5

[Berries]

Shit drivers are shit drivers no matter where in the country. I know that intersection well and there is nothing wrong with it if you negotiate it with a bit of care and attention.

[rian]

This is one of my local dangerous intersections ... and this is after it has been "Improved" a few times. A few have been killed here ... and collisions here on a regular basis.

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Cromwell,+Otago&hl=en&ll=-45.033926,169.192114&spn=0.048949,0.077162&sll=-40.799894,175.310128&sspn=53.079053,79.013672&oq=Cromwell+&t=h&hnear=Cromwell,+Otago&z=14&layer=c&cbll=-45.03403,169.19221&panoid=q-zBUJSX9-I248gd3WlGtA&cbp=12,309.11,,0,0.5

I have witnessed a few non fatal accidents here, both by tourists right turning onto the bridge in the wrong lane.

[FJRider]

I have witnessed a few non fatal accidents here, both by tourists right turning onto the bridge in the wrong lane.

Yep ... from left hand drive countries ... :facepalm:

Such things are common around here ...