Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement [Archive] - Page 3

Clunge Bucket

22nd January 2016, 15:01

Soccer = wogball, played by such as & poofters, sheilas, & Poms..

See some old school Aussie footy here, sadly its been soccer-fied since..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyiBOdy-6U

As the lyric goes.. "We wpuldn't play wogball, we wouldn't have any friends."

Aussie rules is a bunch of knacker scratching ex convicts playing outdoor basketball in their kid sisters knickers. Never in my life have I seen such a lame and poofy game as that. They must be sunk to each others nuts in the bath afterwards. Even the odd Abo that plays looks like he has fallen out of Mardis Gras in Sydney

Clunge Bucket

22nd January 2016, 15:03

With this TPPA thing, you lot got nothing to whinge about cos you voted for it, same as asset sales, fracking and all that other clap trap.

So be big boys and girls and suck it up. Dont get all riled up cos you couldnt get your fat coconut and fried chicken eating backsides off the couch to go down the polling station and make a difference.

What a joke

Banditbandit

22nd January 2016, 15:05

Remember 1981?

Was that, like, an overture by Tchaikovsky ? (Just askin' ...)

Sure do mate. THFC beat Man City 3-2 in the FA Cup Final (I was there, Rikki Villa's classic Goal)

1981 was also the year my beloved Yid army kicked the fcuk out of West Ham on their own doorstep. We also did those Cockney Reds at Euston Station before the 3rd round of the league cup and knocked seven bells out of Newcastle, 'Boro, Cardiff and Portsmouth.

Chelsea kicked fcuk out of us as usual and thankfully we didnt have to go near Millwall so that was alright.

So yeah I remember 1981, got the bruises to prove it but so have them other cnuts

Ya should have stayed there ya pommie dropkick ...

Flip

22nd January 2016, 15:11

I will sign any petition but really the only one that counts is your vote.

To all those sensible middle class poor who voted for national because they thought they would be better off with the rich 1% in control of the country, well you voted for them.

To quote Homer "Doh!". What were you thinking?

Clunge Bucket

22nd January 2016, 15:13

Ya should have stayed there ya pommie dropkick ...

I thought I was on your ignore list you sensitive little princess you

Akzle

22nd January 2016, 15:22

With this TPPA thing, you lot got nothing to whinge about cos you voted for it, same as asset sales, fracking and all that other clap trap.

actually. i didn't. so, where's my refund, mingebucket?

Clunge Bucket

22nd January 2016, 15:25

actually. i didn't. so, where's my refund, mingebucket?

Oh well thats alright then. I assume you did vote though?

Akzle

22nd January 2016, 15:46

Oh well thats alright then. I assume you did vote though?

no .

RDJ

22nd January 2016, 15:50

The only NZ government worse than a National government is a Labour government

National will at least allow us to keep more of what we earn than Labour will

Labour will want to take more of what we are earn to and give it to their voters to keep voting Labour, and will promise to transfer more of what we earn to people who don't work and who don't care to work (National do the same, but not at the same rate)

A plague on both their houses

But we have no other better alternative

mashman

22nd January 2016, 15:53

Akzle

22nd January 2016, 16:01

But we have no other better alternative

you silly cunt.

vote akzle.

Flip

22nd January 2016, 16:16

Brian d marge

22nd January 2016, 16:16

Oi oi,

Who are ya, who are ya, who are ya....!!!!
chim chimney chim chim cher roo we are the baskets in claret and blue

and in 81 we put that ball in paxton rd goal
Went home happy that day

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Clunge Bucket

22nd January 2016, 16:25

chim chimney chim chim cher roo we are he boys in claret and blue

and in 81 we put that ball in paxton rd goal
Went home happy that day

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Good work fella :2thumbsup

Oakie

22nd January 2016, 16:38

Damn. Got aphids on my roses.

RDJ

22nd January 2016, 16:40

you silly cunt.

vote akzle.

I see you are your usual, tolerant, friendly, articulate self. How was your latest motorcycle ride?

puddytat

22nd January 2016, 16:58

its amazing what a phone call on ''the day " could achieve.....
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Brian d marge

22nd January 2016, 17:18

edumakatrin me self since ages ago

tis ya ttp reviewed by the royal smart person,,,,,,

https://tpplegal.wordpress.com/nzlf-expert-paper-series/

(https://tpplegal.wordpress.com/nzlf-expert-paper-series/)

Brian d marge

22nd January 2016, 17:30

Damn. Got aphids on my roses.
dont worry you wont be able to grow them soon so let the blighters have lunch

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Katman

22nd January 2016, 17:38

dont worry you wont be able to grow them soon so let the blighters have lunch

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Well he might be able to grow roses for a while.

They'll take over the food chain first.

Brian d marge

22nd January 2016, 17:44

Well he might be able to grow roses for a while.

They'll take over the food chain first.
already doing it

hope canadians like maccas

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Scuba_Steve

22nd January 2016, 19:00

Banditbandit

25th January 2016, 09:17

I thought I was on your ignore list you sensitive little princess you

What ever gave you that idea ??

gjm

25th January 2016, 13:37

I voted, and didn't vote for National.

The signing of this is being rushed through, in a small country where any protest will be small. Even national have admitted they are now so invested in this they can't back out... And that's after admitting they didn't get close to the deal they wanted - "We have the best we can."

Signing is less than two months after agreement in November, which lead to the release of the document. It's a huge piece of work with so many bits and pieces added on it'll take teams of lawyers a long time to go through it. So despite a release of the text, there likely isn't time for anyone to accurately assess the impact or consequences. More political manoeveuring.

There are protests worldwide about this, and they are being ignored.

Bear in mind that once signed in February, it only takes 6 of the 12 countries signing to say they're ready to go (within 2 years and 3 months) and whether the other 6 say 'yes' or not - it'll go ahead.

John Key is sticking to his guns. He has some sort of media control so he never has to respond to demands on the really hard questions. He continues to belittle anyone opposed to this, despite some dissenters being far better qualified than he is - he does not discuss the agreement, he does not comment on dissenters other than to say 'they are wrong'. He gets away with this by force of repetition, effectively programming people into believing he is right.

John Key has to head this up. He is the only National party member strong enough, or with enough clout, to not fall apart under real questioning. Next week I expect to see a lot more discussion about the new flag to further screen the signing process.

Protest, revolt, deposition... What do we need for a vote of no confidence?

carbonhed

25th January 2016, 16:27

If you consider giving a helping hand up to the top 1% necessary then you should be voting National. Personally I am relatively well off by NZ standards and don't need a tax cut.

Well if they're only helping the top 1% your chances of getting a tax cut are nil.

Personally I can't wait for the signing. The only noticeable thing that will happen is that all your heads will explode... hopefully.

Brian d marge

25th January 2016, 16:58

[QUOTE=carbonhed;

Personally I can't wait for the signing. The only noticeable thing that will happen is that all your heads will explode... hopefully.[/QUOTE]

Why?? o stupid one

When even the current government says its not as good as they hoped

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carbonhed

25th January 2016, 17:14

Why?? o stupid one

When even the current government says its not as good as they hoped

Nobody gets everything they want from a negotiation. The World Bank report says we are one of the nations who gains the most.

http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/GEP/GEP2016a/Global-Economic-Prospects-January-2016-Spillovers-amid-weak-growth.pdf

I can't remember the last time I gave a flying fuck what marxist economists thought on any topic. So Jane Kelsey can suck my dick.

And you're a fucking tool. So if you're against it... I'm in boots and all.

Simples.

gjm

25th January 2016, 17:59

Nobody gets everything they want from a negotiation. The World Bank report says we are one of the nations who gains the most.

http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/GEP/GEP2016a/Global-Economic-Prospects-January-2016-Spillovers-amid-weak-growth.pdf

I guess they may have exhaustively analysed the entire agreement, from the perspective of all countries involved. They should have. NZ may be among the biggest gainers, but that's really not the contentious issue - it's the amount of power the agreement gives to multi-national, non-domiciled corporations. Besides, is there a list of those who could stand to lose the most?

I can't remember the last time I gave a flying fuck what marxist economists thought on any topic. So Jane Kelsey can suck my dick.

Political allegiances aside, she is one of the people in this country most qualified to comment and publicise issues/flaws. Certainly more qualified than anyone in the National party. Based on that, who is more likely to be presenting the facts correctly and who is more likely to be making mistakes, or even ignoring the bits they don't understand?

And you're a fucking tool. So if you're against it... I'm in boots and all.
If there are protest marches, there should be supporting marches too. Any guesses which will be better attended? ;)

I think the TPPA is a bad idea. NZ doesn't need the TPPA, but the US does. I've not read every last detail but if I were a country, what I have read would scare the shit out of me. No country is going to win out of this. There may be some benefits, sure, but the bulk gains will be made by individuals and corporations.

Katman

25th January 2016, 18:10

It's time to wake the Sleeping Giant.

carbonhed

25th January 2016, 18:15

Political allegiances aside, she is one of the people in this country most qualified to comment and publicise issues/flaws. Certainly more qualified than anyone in the National party. Based on that, who is more likely to be presenting the facts correctly and who is more likely to be making mistakes, or even ignoring the bits they don't understand?

If there are protest marches, there should be supporting marches too. Any guesses which will be better attended? ;)

Back in the day my family sponsored a young Russian economist from Irkutsk to visit NZ. Pre Glasnost. Unsurprisingly, except to us, he didn't want to go back. He drove a courier van in NZ. That's what a marxist economist is worth on the free market.

Nobody gives a fuck what Jane Kelsey thinks except the 5% of fellow travellers who will be marching. The same 5% who took Krim.coms 30 pieces of silver and a length of fatty German sausage. The trust fund commies like Lyla Harre and Nicky Hager.

You can march and squeal until hell freezes over. You will never achieve power. You are a sideshow.

Brian d marge

25th January 2016, 18:16

Back in the day my family sponsored a young Russian economist from Irkutsk to visit NZ. Pre Glasnost. Unsurprisingly, except to us, he didn't want to go back. He drove a courier van in NZ. That's what a marxist economist is worth on the free market.

Nobody gives a fuck what Jane Kelsey thinks except the 5% of fellow travellers who will be marching. The same 5% who took Krim.coms 30 pieces of silver and a length of fatty German sausage. The trust fund commies like Lyla Harre and Nicky Hager.

You can march and squeal until hell freezes over. You will never achieve power. You are a sideshow.
I don't need to reply

Your doing an excellent job

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carbonhed

25th January 2016, 18:38

Kim Dotcom's latest masterpiece. If you look closely you can see Lyla Harre lounging naked by the pool and John Minto jerking off in the doorway. Go commies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDiili2Gs-0

Ocean1

25th January 2016, 18:52

marxist economists thought

And your spellcheck didn't even spit this out?

Oakie

25th January 2016, 18:52

Thought JK made a good point today when responding to the Maori complaints at Ratana that the TPPA was negotiated without the public being involved. Pretty much like every Waitangi Settlement ever!

carbonhed

25th January 2016, 18:58

And your spellcheck didn't even spit this out?

:laugh: I keep saying "Marxist economist" expecting the whole crowd to burst out laughing but they just look puzzled. WTF?

I wonder if we are educating many of these... appendages??? these days. Has she ever spent a day outside academia or goverment? i can't be arsed checking.

Brian d marge

25th January 2016, 19:51

:laugh: I keep saying "Marxist economist" expecting the whole crowd to burst out laughing but they just look puzzled. WTF?

.

No we are just ignoring a buffoon

Simple really

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carbonhed

25th January 2016, 20:54

No we are just ignoring a buffoon

Simple really

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Is this the same "ignoring a buffoon" as "I don't need to reply" from a couple of posts ago... ????????

:laugh:

It's just that shitty local comprehensive education fucking with you over and over again Del Boy.

Brian d marge

25th January 2016, 21:12

Is this the same "ignoring a buffoon" as "I don't need to reply" from a couple of posts ago... ????????
[emoji23]

It's just that shitty local comprehensive education fucking with you over and over again Del Boy.
I used the plural pronoun

Which maybe a bit presumptive on my part

And I may be wrong with the use of the word baffoon

There might be a better word

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mashman

25th January 2016, 22:06

If there are protest marches, there should be supporting marches too. Any guesses which will be better attended? ;)

I would say that protesting/marching/rallying is pointless and that there is only 1 way that you're going to be able to challenge the TPP in the future... and I would say that what I've just written is also just as pointless as you feel that protesting/marching/rallying isn't pointless. I'm not having a go, but people are too busy to want to have to deal with this sort of thing. That's why they vote.

gjm

26th January 2016, 08:45

I would say that protesting/marching/rallying is pointless and that there is only 1 way that you're going to be able to challenge the TPP in the future... and I would say that what I've just written is also just as pointless as you feel that protesting/marching/rallying isn't pointless. I'm not having a go, but people are too busy to want to have to deal with this sort of thing. That's why they vote.

Oh, I agree. Marches do little to change government policy. But they can raise awareness within the voting public... Assuming the government 'allows' the news to report what has been happening. (Good grief, I sound like some sort of nutcase conspiracy theorist!)

mashman

26th January 2016, 08:54

Oh, I agree. Marches do little to change government policy. But they can raise awareness within the voting public... Assuming the government 'allows' the news to report what has been happening. (Good grief, I sound like some sort of nutcase conspiracy theorist!)

:killingme... Welcome to the club son, heh. I think most know that there's something decidedly dodgy about the TPP. Some of the commentary coming from the u.s./u.k./japan etc... is very similar to that which we read on KB. I believe there's a lady called Lori Wallach (from the u.s.) in NZ atm. (http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/us-expert-lori-wallach-how-us-politics-may-kill-deal/5/241731) She's not a happy bunny either.

Akzle

26th January 2016, 08:55

within the voting public...

well, there's the problem.

carbonhed

26th January 2016, 09:11

And I may be wrong with the use of the word baffoon

:laugh:

Finally we reach... (searches retard dictionary so we can communicate more effectively) ... agreeance.

Brian d marge

26th January 2016, 19:44

:laugh:

Finally we reach... (searches retard dictionary so we can communicate more effectively) ... agreeance.
Do they print a dictionary at that level
You were lucky to find one

And I must say you do have a rather depreciative view of yourself

I was quite happy to stick with baffoon

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Brian d marge

26th January 2016, 20:06

Oi oi,

Who are ya, who are ya, who are ya....!!!!
Wot I want to know is how did ya manage to give grey rep
Only John Major could do that.

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sidecar bob

26th January 2016, 20:16

Wot I want to know is how did ya manage to give grey rep
Only John Major could do that.

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It's the rep you get to give when your rep value is absolutely worthless.

Brian d marge

26th January 2016, 20:23

It's the rep you get to give when your rep value is absolutely worthless.
I'm not worthy. How do I achieve such status

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sidecar bob

26th January 2016, 20:33

I'm not worthy. How do I achieve such status

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By having received either no rep from anyone, or bulk red as best I can tell.

Katman

28th January 2016, 18:03

They're clearly sweating.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76357346/TPPA-activist-visited-by-Dunedin-police

Woodman

28th January 2016, 18:13

They're clearly sweating.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76357346/TPPA-activist-visited-by-Dunedin-police

I wonder if they also visited John Key. The Police being neutral and all...

carbonhed

28th January 2016, 18:22

They're clearly sweating.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76357346/TPPA-activist-visited-by-Dunedin-police

Maybe he's part of the "Real Choice" halfwits the Chris Trotter's giving arseholes here :-

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/the-0004-mandate-why-opponents-of-tppa.html

The Left eating themselves... always good to see. Bit like "chicken Little" struggling to explain why three recent Labour leaders are all telling him he's a fuckwit over the TPP.

Keep up the good work guys.

Akzle

28th January 2016, 18:34

mother fuckers. i havent been visited. feeling left out now. might have to blow some shit up.

puddytat

28th January 2016, 19:15

Do you want a hand?

Brian d marge

28th January 2016, 19:20

mother fuckers. i havent been visited. feeling left out now. might have to blow some shit up.
Oh passe ....

Just type. I want to join\marry Isis.

Or Kenny dalglish or what ever they call themselves now

The boys will be round asap

The tppa will be signed as the agenda is in full swing

And the Zionist retard yes man at the helm will just sign

There's no consequence for fkin things up so why should he care

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mashman

28th January 2016, 20:49

Or Kenny dalglish or what ever they call themselves now

Oi, you leave the King alone mofo.

Brian d marge

28th January 2016, 22:13

Oi, you leave the King alone mofo.
Let's see. 1966 world cup no he wasn't there
That was THE lineup ... Quality when it counted in all of the big three games of the century
1914. 1939 and 1966
Claret and blue front and centre

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mashman

28th January 2016, 22:28

Let's see. 1966 world cup no he wasn't there
That was THE lineup ... Quality when it counted in all of the big three games of the century
1914. 1939 and 1966
Claret and blue front and centre

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heh... just as well the scots weren't there given the home championship result the following year on the same ground lol.

Maybe I shoulda said, shut the FACup... I'd wish you luck, but if we keep playing Toure and Sakho in the middle, ugh, forget it, I don't wanna really think about it. Although I've got at least 1 final to look forwards to.

Brian d marge

28th January 2016, 22:32

Oh that toure
There's me thinking of another one

https://youtu.be/W3ZQhzlgPFk
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gjm

29th January 2016, 09:58

There's no consequence for fkin things up so why should he care

That's absolutely right. If it works, he's covered in glory (and will make no mention of the foresight of Helen Clark and labour for starting it).
If it doesn't work he can shrug and say he did what he thought was best for the country (and blame Helen Clark and Labour for starting it).

Win/win as far as he is concerned. And the rest of us are just along for the ride, be it to hell or or wherever. JK will hop off that ride when it suits him, leaving us to deal with it.

oldrider

29th January 2016, 10:48

That's absolutely right. If it works, he's covered in glory (and will make no mention of the foresight of Helen Clark and labour for starting it).
If it doesn't work he can shrug and say he did what he thought was best for the country (and blame Helen Clark and Labour for starting it).

Win/win as far as he is concerned. And the rest of us are just along for the ride, be it to hell or or wherever. JK will hop off that ride when it suits him, leaving us to deal with it.

It's the secrecy, gung-ho attitude, we know best, flag diversion etc is what probably annoys most of us even if the TPPA is going to be good for most of NZ!

As for Teflon John - a group asked him if he has dual (or multi) citizenship and he has never answered that legitimate question - why not?

Private you might respond - true - but he is our Prime minister and as such his privacy on such matters goes out the window - especially at times like this!

Exactly who's interest is he working for USA Israel or New Zealand's? - all he needs to do is answer the simple question - why doesn't he? - Conflict of interest? :scratch:

Personally I don't mind if he has dual/multi citizenship - as long as he he declares it - he wont! - what has he got to hide? :corn:

Akzle

29th January 2016, 16:45

It's the secrecy, gung-ho attitude, we know best, flag diversion etc is what probably annoys most of us even if the TPPA is going to be good for most of NZ!

As for Teflon John - a group asked him if he has dual (or multi) citizenship and he has never answered that legitimate question - why not?

Private you might respond - true - but he is our Prime minister and as such his privacy on such matters goes out the window - especially at times like this!

Exactly who's interest is he working for USA Israel or New Zealand's? - all he needs to do is answer the simple question - why doesn't he? - Conflict of interest? :scratch:

Personally I don't mind if he has dual/multi citizenship - as long as he he declares it - he wont! - what has he got to hide? :corn:

dude, he's a shape shifting lizard alien

Oakie

29th January 2016, 17:00

dude, he's a shape shifting lizard alien

Yeah. I think he's awesome too!

RDJ

29th January 2016, 17:31

Sigh. Do please engage with reality from time to time - since your vote counts as one per one with the normal population.

Akzle

29th January 2016, 17:35

Sigh. Do please engage with reality from time to time - since your vote counts as one per one with the normal population.

hahahahah. Vote.

Akzle

29th January 2016, 17:38

Yeah. I think he's awesome too!

you would, ya old white Jewish twat.

RDJ

29th January 2016, 17:40

Yeah = Akzle mutant. We do understand people like you who do not think about the consequences of your actions. Not.

Akzle

29th January 2016, 18:49

Yeah = Akzle mutant. We do understand people like you who do not think about the consequences of your actions. Not.

hey, 1993 called.
"not" still isn't a sentence, nor punchline.

Your lack of understanding, really isnt my problem at all.

Have you considered investing in enlightenment recently?

gjm

29th January 2016, 20:52

Sigh. Do please engage with reality from time to time - since your vote counts as one per one with the normal population.

I did vote.

Didn't make any difference (this time).

Does that mean I was wrong, or the rest of the country was suckered into believing a load of lies??

Oakie

30th January 2016, 09:08

you would, ya old white Jewish twat.

'Ere. I'm an old white (nominally) presbyterian twat thank you very much.

gjm

2nd February 2016, 10:22

The first one is the most poignant.
Has anyone heard John Key, leading advocate for the TPPA 'trade' agreement, being asked about why there is 4 times as much effort given to companies as trade?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/t31.0-8/12615327_973724995996338_6238167458293066598_o.jpg

mashman

2nd February 2016, 10:30

The first one is the most poignant.
Has anyone heard John Key, leading advocate for the TPPA 'trade' agreement, being asked about why there is 4 times as much effort given to companies as trade?

Image of the near future

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/t31.0-8/12615327_973724995996338_6238167458293066598_o.jpg

Yay, only 2 days to go.

Katman

3rd February 2016, 07:22

And if tomorrow's Sky City protest turns ugly, bear this (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs) in mind.

Big Dog

3rd February 2016, 09:39

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/LiveStream.aspx from 11.

mashman

3rd February 2016, 09:45

I loved this comment "ah, I remember back when I didn't live in corporate America".

RDJ

3rd February 2016, 16:44

Sheesh. Conspiracy theories suck. Not least because people do not live in reality while they believe in conspiracy. Get lives - y'all will enjoy it much more.

Brian d marge

3rd February 2016, 17:06

Sheesh. Conspiracy theories suck. Not least because people do not live in reality while they believe in conspiracy. Get lives - y'all will enjoy it much more.
With freedom comes responsibility

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mashman

3rd February 2016, 17:21

With freedom comes responsibility

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Freedom? Where?

Brian d marge

3rd February 2016, 17:23

Freedom? Where?
Mac donalds

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Madness

3rd February 2016, 17:34

That's free Wifi. Terms and conditions apply.

gjm

3rd February 2016, 17:34

There are so many things demonstrably wrong with the TPPA and so many things that haven't just been unexplained but have been deliberately glossed over, or had direct questions evaded and deflected.

One of the most qualified people in NZ to talk about this, someone who has worked in this arena for years, has been directly attacked by the the man most responsible for not answering any questions, a man who routinely smears and belittles anyone not agreeing with him.

30 chapters in the TPPA - just 6 about trade. What are the other 24 covering? Why has this question never been publicly answered?

NZ will benefit by a projected 1% increase in GDP, in over 10 years time. Of course, that 1% increase included greater income from dairy exports, a market which is currently tanking. No-one appears to have publicly commented on this.

Instead of focusing on details, I'm trying to talk in sweeping generalities. And it still stinks.

Does this really sound like a good idea?

Woodman

3rd February 2016, 17:36

So why would the government sign an agreement that is obviously going to fuck New Zealanders over?

gjm

3rd February 2016, 18:28

So why would the government sign an agreement that is obviously going to fuck New Zealanders over?

Good question. I don't know. It makes no sense.

My background is science - I question everything I cannot prove or is logically acceptable. I do not blindly believe that people I don't know have my best interests at heart, especially when they are so evasive and unwilling to answer questions (not involving national security).

mashman

3rd February 2016, 18:33

Mac donalds

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They don't signpost it very well.

Katman

3rd February 2016, 18:48

So why would the government sign an agreement that is obviously going to fuck New Zealanders over?

Probably because John Key expects to be richly rewarded by those who will truly benefit from the agreement.

pete376403

3rd February 2016, 19:00

So why would the government sign an agreement that is obviously going to fuck New Zealanders over?

Perhaps it will benefit the 1% and those is power either are of the 1% or aspire to be.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd February 2016, 19:01

Sheesh. Conspiracy theories suck. Not least because people do not live in reality while they believe in conspiracy. Get lives - y'all will enjoy it much more.

Sorry...I've skipped to the end of this discussion. Do you think the TPPA is all good and anyone against it is a conspiracy nutter?

oldrider

3rd February 2016, 19:03

Will the TPPA ever eventuate? - if this is true?

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mashman

3rd February 2016, 19:19

So why would the government sign an agreement that is obviously going to fuck New Zealanders over?

Because they know that you're an ignorant cunt.

ellipsis

3rd February 2016, 19:26

Because they know that you're an ignorant cunt.

...there are lots of them...

mashman

3rd February 2016, 19:34

Will the TPPA ever eventuate? - if this is true?

It'll certainly help for a few years. Think close money system a la Guernsey Experiment.

mashman

3rd February 2016, 19:35

...there are lots of them...

I meant it generically :D... and I reckon Woody likely realises that.

Voltaire

3rd February 2016, 20:16

Good time to cash in my Bonus Bonds?:laugh:

skippa1

3rd February 2016, 20:26

Perhaps it will benefit the 1% and those is power either are of the 1% or aspire to be.
So 1%ers are going to be the benefactors of this deal.......best get a patch

Katman

3rd February 2016, 20:27

So 1%ers are going to be the benefactors of this deal.......best get a patch

We're all good.

http://i.imgur.com/GjYxrgG.jpg

skippa1

3rd February 2016, 20:35

We're all good.

http://i.imgur.com/GjYxrgG.jpg
Thank fuck for that....didnt fancy prospecting for 18 months

oldrider

3rd February 2016, 21:52

It'll certainly help for a few years. Think close money system a la Guernsey Experiment.

Apparently the kids have got it all sussed! - Well this one anyway! :hitcher:

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mashman

3rd February 2016, 22:11

Apparently the kids have got it all sussed! - Well this one anyway! :hitcher:

Nah, kids are stupid... my 12 year old believes that cleaners/seweragerers/bin men are worth more than doctors coz the keep the place clean. We all know that hygiene is vastly overrated in the saving life stakes.

willytheekid

4th February 2016, 12:10

...good bye democracy :weep:

https://jenniferann1970.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/disoby.png

hello rebellion :shifty:

Stylo

4th February 2016, 15:09

Sorry...I've skipped to the end of this discussion. Do you think the TPPA is all good and anyone against it is a conspiracy nutter?

Must admit I haven't given the TPP thing much thought so I've neither had an opinion for or against.

Until I saw the unemployable wankers and dole bludgers protesting against it in Queen St on the TV today. With Sue Bradford leading the charge.

Therefore it must be a good thing. I'm all for it.

gjm

4th February 2016, 15:48

Must admit I haven't given the TPP thing much thought so I've neither had an opinion for or against.

Until I saw the unemployable wankers and dole bludgers protesting against it in Queen St on the TV today. With Sue Bradford leading the charge.

Therefore it must be a good thing. I'm all for it.

You say that but I know more than a dozen people who have taken annual leave today, just to protest against this. I'm pretty sure they'd object to what you've said! (Although there will undoubtedly be unemployables among the protesters.)

Akzle

4th February 2016, 15:55

Until I saw the unemployable wankers and dole bludgers protesting against it in Queen St on the TV today. With Sue Bradford leading the charge.

Therefore it must be a good thing. I'm all for it.

sound reasoning right there. :niceone: douche.

Stylo

4th February 2016, 16:00

You say that but I know more than a dozen people who have taken annual leave today, just to protest against this. I'm pretty sure they'd object to what you've said! (Although there will undoubtedly be unemployables among the protesters.)

I agree there would have been an element of the people you mentioned, good working folk who have every right to have their say .... that's excellent ...

But they would have been the minority ...

Akzle

4th February 2016, 16:26

I agree there would have been an element of the people you mentioned, good working folk who have every right to have their say .... that's excellent ...

But they would have been the minority ...

so a human's opinion, simply by prerogative of not being presently and gainfully employed, is incorrect?

you really are a fucking moron.

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 16:40

I saw a couple of retards walking along Fraser St today when I was out at lunch time with "FUCK TPPA" signs around their necks. part of me wanted to pull up & ask them all about it, the other part of me couldn't be fucked engaging with retards that wouldn't have a fuckin clue about what the were rebelling against.

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 16:41

so a human's opinion, simply by prerogative of not being presently and gainfully employed, is incorrect?

you really are a fucking moron.

Presently, or permanently?

Stylo

4th February 2016, 16:42

so a human's opinion, simply by prerogative of not being presently and gainfully employed, is incorrect?

you really are a fucking moron.

And you are sole reason why I and others haven't bothered posting on this site very often lately.

For insulting, mindless feedback like that.

I'm sure I'm not the only one. Keep taking the medication Axzle.

Oh dear

Akzle

4th February 2016, 16:51

And you are sole reason why I and others haven't bothered posting on this site very often lately.

For insulting, mindless feedback like that.

I'm sure I'm not the only one. Keep taking the medication Axzle.

Oh dear
im flattered that i have such authority over your life.

it wasnt mindless and if you found it insulting then you probably need to think on the truths behind it. poor little ego.

Presently, or permanently?
either way...?

I saw a couple of retards walking along Fraser St today when I was out at lunch time with "FUCK TPPA" signs around their necks. part of me wanted to pull up & ask them all about it, the other part of me couldn't be fucked engaging with retards that wouldn't have a fuckin clue about what the were rebelling against.
i thought all the signs were far too polite, "fuck TPPA" would be far more appropriate.

how did you work out they were retards if you didnt take the time to speak to them?

do you presume to know "what is all about"? if so, im sure we'd all love to hear.
do you believe the deal will benefit anyone?

Stylo

4th February 2016, 17:09

At least the first signing has been confirmed. Yes

Usual no-hopers lying on the motorway in defiance, yeah, that'll work .

Think Axzle was the short one with his eyes too close together and the big ears ?

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 17:14

how did you work out they were retards if you didnt take the time to speak to them?

do you presume to know "what is all about"? if so, im sure we'd all love to hear.
do you believe the deal will benefit anyone?

Because in a nutshell, they were unemployed niggas.
it seems to be trendy for Maari to be opposed to it, maybe it fucks up their treaty claim gravy train.
I don't presume to know what it's all about, but I feel assured that a couple of dopey shits wearing hand painted cardboard signs around their necks weren't likely to teach me anything I hadn't already figured out from the awesome resource on all topics that is kiwibiker.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 17:17

For insulting, mindless feedback like that.
:

Think Axzle was the short one with his eyes too close together and the big ears ?

:niceone: douche.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 17:24

Because in a nutshell, they were unemployed niggas.
it seems to be trendy for Maari to be opposed to it, maybe it fucks up their treaty claim gravy train.
and you know they were unemployed.... quite how?

i get the sentiment. and i know you're a) not identified as maari and b) have a pretty big bag of white chips on your shoulder, but its pretty weak.

I don't presume to know what it's all about, but I feel assured that a couple of dopey shits wearing hand painted cardboard signs around their necks weren't likely to teach me anything I hadn't already figured out from the awesome resource on all topics that is kiwibiker.
well at least you get some things straight. but really, did you expect them/anyone to do a print run of anti TPPA signage?

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 17:31

and you know they were unemployed.... quite how?

i get the sentiment. and i know you're a) not identified as maari and b) have a pretty big bag of white chips on your shoulder, but its pretty weak.

well at least you get some things straight. but really, did you expect them/anyone to do a print run of anti TPPA signage?

Well you have to admit, it is pretty difficult to tell if someone is employed or not, so you really got me there, but I have an idea based on living around here for a while now.
And no, I didn't expect anyone to do a run of anti TPPA T shirts, because while there seems to be a heap of passion around the topic, those opposing it wouldn't seem to have a combined disposable income sufficient to fund a run of said Sinage/T shirts.

Stylo

4th February 2016, 17:37

[QUOTE=Akzle;1130944299]and you know they were unemployed.... quite how?

Maybe because they weren't working at the time and obviously hadn't shaved or washed might be a clue ?

Happy to protest against a trade agreement but not too happy to actually get out of bed, have a wash and go and find a job

Then they can contribute to the economy and have a rightful reason to complain.

Rather than just continue to bludge off the system , without giving anything back. Wankers.

Woodman

4th February 2016, 17:46

Must admit I haven't given the TPP thing much thought so I've neither had an opinion for or against.

Until I saw the unemployable wankers and dole bludgers protesting against it in Queen St on the TV today. With Sue Bradford leading the charge.

Therefore it must be a good thing. I'm all for it.

Yeah, actually thats a bloody good way to form an opinion on legislation, not by its supporters, but by its protestors.:yes:

BTW no sarcasm given or implied.

Crasherfromwayback

4th February 2016, 17:47

Must admit I haven't given the TPP thing much thought so I've neither had an opinion for or against.

Until I saw the unemployable wankers and dole bludgers protesting against it in Queen St on the TV today. With Sue Bradford leading the charge.

Therefore it must be a good thing. I'm all for it.

Lol. And therein lies the problem. You should've read as much about it as you could've before it was too late.

Katman

4th February 2016, 17:49

those opposing it wouldn't seem to have a combined disposable income sufficient to fund a run of said Sinage/T shirts.

Are you basing that simply on the two that you saw today or on the huge number of New Zealanders who are passionately opposed to it?

Akzle

4th February 2016, 17:52

and you know they were unemployed.... quite how?

Maybe because they weren't working at the time and obviously hadn't shaved or washed might be a clue ?

Happy to protest against a trade agreement but not too happy to actually get out of bed, have a wash and go and find a job

Then they can contribute to the economy and have a rightful reason to complain.

Rather than just continue to bludge off the system , without giving anything back. Wankers.

for someone who's entire basis for supporting something stems from his perception of a group he's prejudiced against's opposition to the same, what you think is "obvious" is more likely "fucking irrelevant"

also, the unemployed are doing a mighty fine job of balancing the books and keeping inflation down for you.
your welcome.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 17:55

Are you basing that simply on the two that you saw today or on the huge number of New Zealanders who are passionately opposed to it?

nonononono. not "new zealanders"

: "maaris"

everyone qualifies as nuu zullander, unless theyre maari.

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 18:00

gjm

4th February 2016, 18:04

Stylo

4th February 2016, 18:09

nonononono. not "new zealanders"

: "maaris"

everyone qualifies as nuu zullander, unless theyre maari.

What do you do Axzle ?

For a job I mean.

Being serious now ....

Akzle

4th February 2016, 18:10

You guys should be right ticked off with these clowns for helping the cause look like its backed by a bunch of uneducated drongos. It's not a good look.

quite right. they're the ones to be ticked off with :facepalm:

Akzle

4th February 2016, 18:14

What do you do Axzle ?

For a job I mean.

Being serious now ....

ive been srs all along.

my definition of "job" is a "public performance for private deceitful gain". as such, i abstain.

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:20

If the message on the signs had been a little more eloquent it may have helped raise the profile of the opposed.
I'm very unlikely to engage with anyone on any topic where the slogan is neither intelligent nor polite.
You guys should be right ticked off with these clowns for helping the cause look like its backed by a bunch of uneducated drongos. It's not a good look.

So they should all wear suits and wear placards saying that they're miffed at TPPA, and that a secret court gets to decide where taxpayer money goes when the country decides that it doesn't want what someone is selling, but is told by a court it must import it and sell it anyway? Other than being one hell of a mouthful, it won't really fit on a placard very well... and would also hide the suit.

Stylo

4th February 2016, 18:25

ive been srs all along.

my definition of "job" is a "public performance for private deceitful gain". as such, i abstain.

So....you're a dole bludger, leeching off the system. Plenty to say but not prepared to help out.

And I work to support your waste of time for a life along with most of the blokes on this forum who are hard grafters.

Woodman

4th February 2016, 18:30

So they should all wear suits and wear placards saying that they're miffed at TPPA, and that a secret court gets to decide where taxpayer money goes when the country decides that it doesn't want what someone is selling, but is told by a court it must import it and sell it anyway? Other than being one hell of a mouthful, it won't really fit on a placard very well... and would also hide the suit.

I get what you are saying, but yeah a bit of effort in appearance does go a long way. Be honest with yourself and think about it.

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:35

I get what you are saying, but yeah a bit of effort in appearance does go a long way. Be honest with yourself and think about it.

Oh I get it, especially as it has been so very well demonstrated by some of the post here. In other words, because of how someone looks or how the human being next to them looks, the reason for the protest is irrelevant. Have you any idea how really really really really really really stupid that sounds? Be honest with yourself and think about it.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 18:37

So....you're a dole bludger, leeching off the system. Plenty to say but not prepared to help out.

And I work to support your waste of time for a life along with most of the blokes on this forum who are hard grafters.

i dont bludge, nor dole.

But nice little tanty there.

If your work is hard, your not smart. There's even a cliche about it.

And your doing a pretty shit job of supporting me.
All in, your a failure as a human.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 18:38

Be honest with yourself and think about it.

methink you're asking a bit much of them folk...

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:38

So....you're a dole bludger, leeching off the system. Plenty to say but not prepared to help out.

And I work to support your waste of time for a life along with most of the blokes on this forum who are hard grafters.

What about the hard grafters who agree with Akzle's point of view? They do everything you say you do and likely for far less than you earn. Or is that not considered hard graft because otherwise they would earn more?

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:39

methink you're asking a bit much of them folk...

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... says the man who thinks TDL has potential :shifty:

Woodman

4th February 2016, 18:40

Akzle

4th February 2016, 18:44

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... says the man who thinks TDL has potential :shifty:

he's fighting it. But he knows im right.
It's hard for most people to accept that everything they've been told is a lie. But the scientific method will get the better of him sooner or later.

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:47

Oh I agree, it is wrong but it is a reality.

Aye... gotta keep on challenging the bullshit, as they say on KB ;)

mashman

4th February 2016, 18:48

he's fighting it. But he knows im right.
It's hard for most people to accept that everything they've been told is a lie. But the scientific method will get the better of him sooner or later.

You need to blow his authority figures out of the water imho... then scientific method might be in with a shot. He does know you're right though... as did I. Maybe you should invite him to the van man.

Stylo

4th February 2016, 18:54

Oh I get it, especially as it has been so very well demonstrated by some of the post here. In other words, because of how someone looks or how the human being next to them looks, the reason for the protest is irrelevant. Have you any idea how really really really really really really stupid that sounds? Be honest with yourself and think about it.

Your comment starting making some sense until the 'really' x 5 bit. Idiot

So, let's suppose they were all workers, in their T-shirts, long beards, bare- footed and placard equipped. Shouting and screaming

And suppose none of them were on the benefit either .....

So ...who is their employer ? Who do they work for ?

They have every right to protest but, you can't complain unless you have a right to do so eg pay your taxes.

The people I saw today were all healthy looking ( and employable looking , I guess ) why were they off work ?

No way I could get time off to barefoot it up Queen St with a placard I made last night and look stupid wasting my time in front of a TV camera.

My boss would fire me on the spot ....

gjm

4th February 2016, 19:06

The people I saw today were all healthy looking ( and employable looking , I guess ) why were they off work ?

They took annual leave, like the people I know! C'mon...

Incidentally, John Key is so on the back foot (in this country) about this that he's not going to Waitangi. First time a NZ PM has ever missed it...

Akzle

4th February 2016, 19:15

They have every right to protest but, you can't complain unless you have a right to do so eg pay your taxes.

so paying tax is the prerequisite for complaining about "your" goverment selling the country to jews??

You, are a fucking wonder.

mashman

4th February 2016, 19:15

Your comment starting making some sense until the 'really' x 5 bit. Idiot

So, let's suppose they were all workers, in their T-shirts, long beards, bare- footed and placard equipped. Shouting and screaming

And suppose none of them were on the benefit either .....

So ...who is their employer ? Who do they work for ?

They have every right to protest but, you can't complain unless you have a right to do so eg pay your taxes.

The people I saw today were all healthy looking ( and employable looking , I guess ) why were they off work ?

No way I could get time off to barefoot it up Queen St with a placard I made last night and look stupid wasting my time in front of a TV camera.

My boss would fire me on the spot ....

Then ignore the really x 5 bit and focus on the issue.

Why does it matter who they work for? If they have asked for a day off and they're prepared to raise an issue, why should I care how they dress or who they work for? It wouldn't serve any purpose other than stopping me from understanding the issue.

Sorry to hear that your boss would fire you for such a thing, let alone having to vet your reason for wanting a day off before granting it. Surely you've earned the day off on merit? Surely what you do in your personal time is entirely up to you so long as you're not bringing the company into disrepute (you're trusted enough to be the employee after all)... and for 5 seconds of a flash of your face on TV? You a cop? (I have no beef against cops, they should be allowed to protest also without fear of reprisals)

Akzle

4th February 2016, 19:17

They took annual leave, like the people I know! C'mon...

Incidentally, John Key is so on the back foot (in this country) about this that he's not going to Waitangi. First time a NZ PM has ever missed it...

good fucking riddance.
He should be put out of everyone's misery.

Stylo

4th February 2016, 19:19

Then ignore the really x 5 bit and focus on the issue.

Why does it matter who they work for? If they have asked for a day off and they're prepared to raise an issue, why should I care how they dress or who they work for? It wouldn't serve any purpose other than stopping me from understanding the issue.

Sorry to hear that your boss would fire you for such a thing, let alone having to vet your reason for wanting a day off before granting it. Surely you've earned the day off on merit? Surely what you do in your personal time is entirely up to you so long as you're not bringing the company into disrepute (you're trusted enough to be the employee after all)... and for 5 seconds of a flash of your face on TV? You a cop? (I have no beef against cops, they should be allowed to protest also without fear of reprisals)

That went completely over your head :-)

Warm Milo and an early night for you mate, doctors orders

Akzle

4th February 2016, 19:20

Drew

4th February 2016, 19:21

They took annual leave, like the people I know! C'mon...

Incidentally, John Key is so on the back foot (in this country) about this that he's not going to Waitangi. First time a NZ PM has ever missed it...
What about the two years that Helen Clark didn't go?

Akzle

4th February 2016, 19:23

and im pickin you work in a factory. If not the one dad worked in, you probably did your time there...

mashman

4th February 2016, 19:24

That went completely over your head :-)

Warm Milo and an early night for you mate, doctors orders

Ugh... games :facepalm:... and she ain't called Milo.

Katman

4th February 2016, 19:31

The people I saw today were all healthy looking ( and employable looking , I guess ) why were they off work ?

Because protesting from their office desk probably wouldn't have had the same impact.

No way I could get time off to barefoot it up Queen St with a placard I made last night and look stupid wasting my time in front of a TV camera.

My boss would fire me on the spot ....

Are you pissed off that you used up all your annual leave over Xmas?

Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 19:32

Lol. And therein lies the problem. You should've read as much about it as you could've before it was too late.
That was how the game was played
Basically nothing until the day before
Details released in dribs and drabs so not really news worthy
Then kapow signed ....

The totally brainwashed sheep have no chance ....uncle Herman , Germany's model train set enthusiast said how easy it was to move sheep ....,I'm surprised at A. How easy it is and B. How deeply the sheep believe ....
You could tell them anything ... And the Moran's would swallow it hook line and sinker

Anyway all moot now ..has been signed , as I said it would be. So unless a major player has a fit ...

Ya got the shonkey donkey and lost ya state houses and the Chinese now own half ya country etc ya got that through doing nowt

Now let a real gorilla take ya all from behind .... Again by doing nowt

Actually I've just found a you tube video explaining the TPPA , hope this helps

https://youtu.be/u-KJWz-5n0g

No wonder they signed it in NZud

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Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 19:37

So they should all wear suits and wear placards saying that they're miffed at TPPA, and that a secret court gets to decide where taxpayer money goes when the country decides that it doesn't want what someone is selling, but is told by a court it must import it and sell it anyway? Other than being one hell of a mouthful, it won't really fit on a placard very well... and would also hide the suit.
Hey watch the language
Last time the English were miffed,ever so slightly I must add, was with those naughty jermans a few years back

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Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 19:41

What about the two years that Helen Clark didn't go?
Same shit / paymaster. Different color tie

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Akzle

4th February 2016, 19:58

Same shit / paymaster. Different color tie

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bigger balls, too.

oldrider

4th February 2016, 20:03

Actually I've just found a you tube video explaining the TPPA , hope this helps

https://youtu.be/u-KJWz-5n0g

No wonder they signed it in NZud

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Yep - just listened to that clip and to be perfectly honest I learned more from that than I have from the government on the subject! :scratch:

JATZ

4th February 2016, 20:24

Yep - just listened to that clip and to be perfectly honest I learned more from that than I have from the government on the subject! :scratch:

So tell me...... What are we supposed to do ??

Protest ? yeah, like that does any good
Vote them out ? so the next pack of wankers can do the same thing ?
Kill someone/lots of people/revolt ? you lead, I'll follow

Seriously, there's fuck all you can do when the people someone elected decide to do something.

Akzle

4th February 2016, 20:27

you lead, I'll follow

and therein lies the problem

gjm

4th February 2016, 20:29

What about the two years that Helen Clark didn't go?

In 2000 there was a threat to her safety. Her non-attendance then and in 2004 was related to Maori (Maaori) challenges as to her right to speak because she is a woman. (I know - there are those who might disagree...)

John Key has announced he's not going in order to avoid embarrassment when he could be refused admission. More self-serving aggrandisement.

Madness

4th February 2016, 20:30

Akzle for Governor General.

JATZ

4th February 2016, 20:45

and therein lies the problem

Yip :yes:

However, I enjoy my freedom. Loosing that just doesn't do it for me. Which is the inevitable consequence of putting a bullet in someone. However.... you go right ahead champ, I'll send some cookies to your cell

Akzle

4th February 2016, 20:48

Akzle for *king

fify .

mashman

4th February 2016, 20:48

So tell me...... What are we supposed to do ??

Run to the hills and hide :shifty:

Akzle for Governor General.

PM.

mashman

4th February 2016, 20:49

Hey watch the language
Last time the English were miffed,ever so slightly I must add, was with those naughty jermans a few years back

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Maggie was a chairman?

gjm

4th February 2016, 20:51

Yep - just listened to that clip and to be perfectly honest I learned more from that than I have from the government on the subject! :scratch:

Yup - the NZ government has very carefully avoided telling anyone anything meaningful. Damn... We might form an opinion of our own! That would never do.

So tell me...... What are we supposed to do ??

Protest ? yeah, like that does any good
Vote them out ? so the next pack of wankers can do the same thing ?
Kill someone/lots of people/revolt ? you lead, I'll follow

Seriously, there's fuck all you can do when the people someone elected decide to do something.

There's the problem, and I'm as guilty as anyone else. The government has the media mouthpiece - how is anyone going to make a dent in policy while nothing they say is heard? Public protest is a start, but it'll not get the airtime that the signing will. We could ask questions, but who will we ask? Prompt a media presenter and your questions aren't asked.

The only ones who might be able to turn this around are Winston and a coalition of non-National parties, but they're all too far up their own arses to get together and sort anything out. Jane Kelsey has tried, in her position as one of the most experienced and qualified people in this field, and has been smeared, belittled and laughed at by John Key. Because Key has the media attention and Kelsey doesn't, he gets more airtime and representation, leading the public to believe he is right.

OK - the question stands.

What do we do?

bogan

4th February 2016, 20:53

In 2000 there was a threat to her safety. Her non-attendance then and in 2004 was related to Maori (Maaori) challenges as to her right to speak because she is a woman. (I know - there are those who might disagree...)

John Key has announced he's not going in order to avoid embarrassment when he could be refused admission. More self-serving aggrandisement.

Actually he's announced he's not going due to him not being able to speak on some issues, and threats of violence against his person.

mashman

4th February 2016, 20:57

The TPP Investment Chapter seems to be the one that's putting the willies up folks. Tis available on wikileaks for anyone interested.

gjm

4th February 2016, 20:57

Actually he's announced he's not going due to him not being able to speak on some issues, and threats of violence against his person.

He's hardly going to admit the Maori tribal elders have said he's not welcome and won't be granted admission!

mashman

4th February 2016, 20:58

What do we do?

I'd say it's, What are you prepared to do?

eldog

4th February 2016, 21:00

Akzle for President .... Of the World

what could possibly go wrong?:hug:

bogan

4th February 2016, 21:00

He's hardly going to admit the Maori tribal elders have said he's not welcome and won't be granted admission!

Nonetheless, those are the reasons given for missing it; just as those were the reasons given for Herr Clarke missing them.

gjm

4th February 2016, 21:06

Nonetheless, those are the reasons given for missing it; just as those were the reasons given for Herr Clarke missing them.

Fair 'nuf. I wasn't in NZ at the time so can only go by what research I have done.
Waitangi Day history now suggests differently for Helen Clark. I'd be unsurprised to see it read 'John Key didn't attend because he's a supercilious twat.'

Anyone who wants to see how badly this might end just needs to look at the UK and involvement in the EU (which many people, prime minister excluded it seems, are now trying to get out of) - history is repeating itself. To those who lived through one it is obvious, and immensely frustrating.

sidecar bob

4th February 2016, 21:16

oldrider

4th February 2016, 21:34

Hey I'm probably against the whole TPPA thing too, but people don't need to carry on like completely one eyed fuckwits to get their point across. we fuckin get it, it's not ideal, but for fucks sake, stop rubbing everyone's face in it like a bad dog that did faeces inside. It's not my idea to introduce it so get of your fuckin soap boxes & stop talking to us like we're idiots.

I am neither for or against the TPPA - how could I be I don't know anything about it - that is the problem - does anyone?

It appears that the signing is simply the beginning now all the participating countries have to go back and sell it to their individual countries?

It is the lack of understanding and the apparent lack of willingness to inform at this stage that is the main reason for contention and suspicion!

Then there are all of those that will oppose just for the sake of opposing - as demonstrated on TV tonight FFS! - Meh - I just don't know anything about it! :no:

Akzle

4th February 2016, 21:56

Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 22:31

Actually he's announced he's not going due to him not being able to speak the truth. on some issues, and threats of violence against his person from half of new Zimbabweland

Fixed that for u

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Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 22:38

The TPP Investment Chapter seems to be the one that's putting the willies up folks. Tis available on wikileaks for anyone interested.
No point
It's been signed now need to be ratified
Your only hope is if a major player has a hizzy fit

Otherwise have an escape plan or a large stock of arse lube

This job looks appealing

Tis what will be on offer in the near future and I look good in red

https://youtu.be/KegsWP4Tvhg

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Brian d marge

4th February 2016, 22:44

Hey I'm probably against the whole TPPA thing too, but people don't need to carry on like completely one eyed fuckwits to get their point across. we fuckin get it, it's not ideal, but for fucks sake, stop rubbing everyone's face in it like a bad dog that did faeces inside. It's not my idea to introduce it so get off your fuckin soap boxes & stop talking to us like we're idiots.
I'm quite capable of being opposed to something without feeling the need to walk the streets with a hand painted cardboard sign around my neck while chanting some kind of mantra.
Trouble is no one knows
Because you didn't stand up
And the fellas in the beehive have no consequences for there actions so why do they care

As I posted before freedom is hard won and easily lost and with it come responsibility

So make a nice job of your sign and think of a catchy chant

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puddytat

5th February 2016, 07:34

OK - the question stands.

What do we do?

Burn down politicians electoral office?

mashman

5th February 2016, 07:39

No point
It's been signed now need to be ratified
Your only hope is if a major player has a hizzy fit

Otherwise have an escape plan or a large stock of arse lube

This job looks appealing

Tis what will be on offer in the near future and I look good in red

https://youtu.be/KegsWP4Tvhg

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True, there is no point in reading it other than to have a clue about what's coming. The only hope is that something else takes the place of the current govt 3 ringed circus and that it shows a rather large middle finger to the whole thing. Same goes for all of the other nonsense emanating from govt inc.

You may look good in red, but it don;t mean a thing if you ain't got that swing.. you got rhythm son?

mashman

5th February 2016, 07:40

Burn down politicians electoral office?

Lazy fucker... unless you were being metaphorical :laugh:

gjm

5th February 2016, 11:04

Fair 'nuf. I wasn't in NZ at the time so can only go by what research I have done.
Waitangi Day history now suggests differently for Helen Clark. I'd be unsurprised to see it read 'John Key didn't attend because he's a supercilious twat.'

Anyone who wants to see how badly this might end just needs to look at the UK and involvement in the EU (which many people, prime minister excluded it seems, are now trying to get out of) - history is repeating itself. To those who lived through one it is obvious, and immensely frustrating.

In today's news:

"In 2008, Mr Key criticised former Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark for not attending the marae on Waitangi Day after she was involved in a string of protests, and Mr Key made it one of his election promises to attend Te Tii Waitangi each year.
Ms Clark was brought to tears during a visit in 1998 over an argument regarding her right to speak at the marae.
At the time, Mr Key said she should "get over it", calling it an "opportunity for her to engage"."

I'd like to change my description to 'hypocritical supercilious twat.'

sidecar bob

5th February 2016, 11:13

In today's news:

"In 2008, Mr Key criticised former Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark for not attending the marae on Waitangi Day after she was involved in a string of protests, and Mr Key made it one of his election promises to attend Te Tii Waitangi each year.
'

John Key is not attending because the folk at the Marae are divided over weather to welcome him with open arms, or attack him, weather he should be allowed to speak, or prevented from speaking
If his personal safety can not be guaranteed there is no way he should be attending.
Its not about politics, its about a man's personal safety, but you are not prevented from packaging it however it suits you to fit your personal agenda.

frogfeaturesFZR

5th February 2016, 11:41

Really, his personal safety ?
Have you met the man ?
I have, and met his personal protection squad too, nice guys.
His car always has a driver in it, the motor running, whenever he's at a function.
Thats the protocol used.
Std operating procedure. ( just in case hey need to get him out of a situation, pronto )
He's in NO danger at all, unless you call getting heckled, and having his feelings hurt.
Don't make more of the situation than it actually is.

Akzle

5th February 2016, 12:08

Ocean1

5th February 2016, 12:23

John Key is not attending because the folk at the Marae are divided over weather to welcome him with open arms, or attack him, weather he should be allowed to speak, or prevented from speaking
If his personal safety can not be guaranteed there is no way he should be attending.
Its not about politics, its about a man's personal safety, but you are not prevented from packaging it however it suits you to fit your personal agenda.

Oh it's about politics all right. Or more accurately diplomacy. But the reasons not to bother are a lot more mundane. Attendance by the PM or any other govt rep is a mark of respect to the treaty partners. It's just become tediously obvious over the years that there's not enough resiprocal respect from most of the multitude of groups claiming Maori leadership to allow any diplomatic function to be taken seriously.

Far better to kick their soap box away and celibrate national unity without them.

sidecar bob

5th February 2016, 12:45

If the local Iwi could actually show a united front, publicly at least, it would make them slightly more difficult to ridicule.

mashman

5th February 2016, 15:12

Far better to kick their soap box away and celibrate national unity without them.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ea/8d/63/ea8d6345c950c69545491925b4190290.jpg

oldrider

5th February 2016, 15:28

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ea/8d/63/ea8d6345c950c69545491925b4190290

Is that the Youi insurance car as seen on TV advertising? :killingme

Stylo

5th February 2016, 16:49

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ea/8d/63/ea8d6345c950c69545491925b4190290.jpg

Speaking of National, having the sights of these 'winners' blocking streets and holding everyone up yesterday won't do them any harm at all. Quite the opposite.

Good thing there wasn't a Fire Engine or Ambulance trying to get through

Okey Dokey

5th February 2016, 16:57

Good thing there wasn't a Fire Engine or Ambulance trying to get through

As a matter of fact, Sue Bradford admitted on Morning Report this morning, that an ambulance WAS held up by the protesters blocking the roads. She said they got out of the way as soon as the police advised them, but the impression given was that there had been a significant delay to the ambo.

Stylo

5th February 2016, 17:07

As a matter of fact, Sue Bradford admitted on Morning Report this morning, that an ambulance WAS held up by the protesters blocking the roads. She said they got out of the way as soon as the police advised them, but the impression given was that there had been a significant delay to the ambo.

I hadn't seen the news today, working

What if it was a major which required multiple Police, Fire and emergency services. In the Queen St inner city area ?

I guess if any protesters were killed by a Fire truck it would reduce the beneficiary expense to the rest of us good honest workers ...

Crasherfromwayback

5th February 2016, 17:18

John Key is not attending because the folk at the Marae are divided over weather to welcome him with open arms, or attack him, weather he should be allowed to speak, or prevented from speaking
If his personal safety can not be guaranteed there is no way he should be attending.
Its not about politics, its about a man's personal safety, but you are not prevented from packaging it however it suits you to fit your personal agenda.

Really, his personal safety ?
Have you met the man ?
I have, and met his personal protection squad too, nice guys.
His car always has a driver in it, the motor running, whenever he's at a function.
Thats the protocol used.
Std operating procedure. ( just in case hey need to get him out of a situation, pronto )
He's in NO danger at all, unless you call getting heckled, and having his feelings hurt.
Don't make more of the situation than it actually is.

B is the correct answer.

gjm

5th February 2016, 17:29

sidecar bob

5th February 2016, 17:41

B is the correct answer.

Ok Kawasaki salesman, let's shove you into a group of those old angry bikers that hated jap bikes.
You should be ok & able to talk your way around.;)
He's made the right call, they don't want him to speak & most of them don't want him there so why should he waste a day appeasing a bunch of pretend aggrieved, divided idiots.
Hey, why don't you guys all rock up, clearly it's going to be a fun day with great company apparently.

Woodman

5th February 2016, 18:01

Ok Kawasaki salesman, let's shove you into a group of those old angry bikers that hated jap bikes.
You should be ok & able to talk your way around.;)
He's made the right call, they don't want him to speak & most of them don't want him there so why should he waste a day appeasing a bunch of pretend aggrieved, divided idiots.
Hey, why don't you guys all rock up, clearly it's going to be a fun day with great company apparently.

Zactly, he is the prime minister, and they don't want him contributing, so he is correct to say no thanks and do some other shit.

Crasherfromwayback

5th February 2016, 18:28

In today's news:

"In 2008, Mr Key criticised former Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark for not attending the marae on Waitangi Day after she was involved in a string of protests, and Mr Key made it one of his election promises to attend Te Tii Waitangi each year.
Ms Clark was brought to tears during a visit in 1998 over an argument regarding her right to speak at the marae.
At the time, Mr Key said she should "get over it", calling it an "opportunity for her to engage"."

I'd like to change my description to 'hypocritical supercilious twat.'

He's made the right call, they don't want him to speak & most of them don't want him there so why should he waste a day appeasing a bunch of pretend aggrieved, divided idiots.
Hey, why don't you guys all rock up, clearly it's going to be a fun day with great company apparently.

A is the correct answer.

Madness

5th February 2016, 18:31

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Oakie

5th February 2016, 18:36

That was a actually a good shot. Please ... someone needs to put that up as a caption competition so we can have some fun with it away from this tiresome shit.

Grumph

5th February 2016, 18:37

Good target identification and superb follow through. Two greasy dicks standing there with another thrown at them...

I'd see the whole thing as Key playing the two sides of the marae off against each other till he got what he wanted - A reason to not attend which didn't leave him looking like a coward.
After all the Harawira family has personally guaranteed his safety....

Oakie

5th February 2016, 18:39

I'd see the whole thing as Key playing the two sides of the marae off against each other till he got what he wanted - A reason to not attend which didn't leave him looking like a coward. After all the Harawira family has personally guaranteed his safety....

Thought that myself a few days ago that he might be playing them. Something very Sun Tzu about it.

Stylo

5th February 2016, 19:09

Thought that myself a few days ago that he might be playing them. Something very Sun Tzu about it.

Throwing a sex toy at the minister ( I don't like him much either ) just confirms that yesterdays efforts to block the roads worked a treat.

The great un-washed, dope smoking, barefooted, unemployed, got nothing else to do, un-employable, complain about everything, dole bludging, another tattoo tomorrow ? brigade who blocked the streets of Auckland yesterday have merely cemented the National party's commitment to this TPP deal. Wonder what Sue Bradford's doing tonight, another major failure on her part ...

National will be laughing big time

Well done guys, what's your next trick ?

Madness

5th February 2016, 19:13

Well done guys, what's your next trick ?

Probably your daughter.

sidecar bob

5th February 2016, 19:14

Thought that myself a few days ago that he might be playing them. Something very Sun Tzu about it.
Top man, fucking with idiots, lovin his style.
I think he will be playing golf. Bloke deserves the long weekend off just like the rest of us.

Oakie

5th February 2016, 19:31

Top man, fucking with idiots, lovin his style.
I think he will be playing golf. Bloke deserves the long weekend off just like the rest of us.

Off to the League Nines at some point I believe.

Crasherfromwayback

5th February 2016, 19:42

I think he will be playing golf.

Letting Obama play his bunker whilst polishing his balls.

puddytat

5th February 2016, 20:35

Throwing a sex toy at the minister ( I don't like him much either ) just confirms that yesterdays efforts to block the roads worked a treat.

The great un-washed, dope smoking, barefooted, unemployed, got nothing else to do, un-employable, complain about everything, dole bludging, another tattoo tomorrow ? brigade who blocked the streets of Auckland yesterday have merely cemented the National party's commitment to this TPP deal. Wonder what Sue Bradford's doing tonight, another major failure on her part ...

National will be laughing big time

Well done guys, what's your next trick ?

Jeez man....I don't know what news you were watching but most of them looked well dressed, a lot of them looked like students & they were very well organised.

Watershed moment I reckon this last week.....Kia kaha people!!

carbonhed

5th February 2016, 20:57

Jeez man....I don't know what news you were watching but most of them looked well dressed, a lot of them looked like students & they were very well organised.

Watershed moment I reckon this last week.....Kia kaha people!!

A watershed moment of the same kind as Krim.dot.con and the Internet Party. May you have many more. Bravo etc.................

puddytat

5th February 2016, 21:25

A watershed moment of the same kind as Krim.dot.con and the Internet Party. May you have many more. Bravo etc.................

No ....neither have anything to do with what Im implying.....

jasonu

6th February 2016, 03:57

If the message on the signs had been a little more eloquent it may have helped raise the profile of the opposed.
I'm very unlikely to engage with anyone on any topic where the slogan is neither intelligent nor polite.
You guys should be right ticked off with these clowns for helping the cause look like its backed by a bunch of uneducated drongos. It's not a good look.

If you asked those same drongos what it was all about most of them wouldn't have a clue. It will be the same bunch of professional (while on some sort of benefit) protesters ie Sue Bradford types, mostly unemployed/unemployable wankers, students, and activist Murrays that have been protesting this and that since for ever.

jasonu

6th February 2016, 04:06

Akzle for Governor General.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAEvkNtJ6A

Akzle

6th February 2016, 04:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAEvkNtJ6A

paul henry is a douchebag

oldrider

6th February 2016, 04:57

paul henry is a douchebag

Slight expansion on that: Paul Henry is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - sometimes gets the joke! :rofl:

jasonu

6th February 2016, 05:37

Slight expansion on that: Paul Henry is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - sometimes gets the joke! :rofl:

Slight expansion on that: Paul Henry is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - sometimes gets the joke and has made a shit ton of cash doing so. He must be doing summat right.

gjm

6th February 2016, 08:42

Slight expansion on that: Paul Henry is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - sometimes gets the joke! :rofl:

Unlike Mike Hoskings, who is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - doesn't get any jokes at all.

sidecar bob

6th February 2016, 08:51

paul henry is a douchebag

Translated, "Paul Henry doesn't share my warped, fucked up world view" but is uber successful regardless.

oldrider

6th February 2016, 09:41

Unlike Mike Hoskings, who is an opportunist douchebag who oddly enough - doesn't get any jokes at all.

Usually too busy talking over people!

SPman

6th February 2016, 18:38

If you asked those same drongos what it was all about most of them wouldn't have a clue. It will be the same bunch of professional (while on some sort of benefit) protesters ie Sue Bradford types, mostly unemployed/unemployable wankers, students, and activist Murrays that have been protesting this and that since for ever.
The same whining conservative drivel that gets trotted out every time there is a protest, by the same self righteous egotistical thick wankers, whose world view is shaped by "money, and who can I get screw to get more of it"

jasonu

6th February 2016, 19:22

"money, and who can I get screw to get more of it"

That's a good one...If only you knew.

Brian d marge

6th February 2016, 19:22

Translated, "Paul Henry doesn't share my warped, fucked up world view" but is uber successful regardless.
Is there an app for uber success?

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Brian d marge

6th February 2016, 19:24

That's a good one...If only you knew.
2 dollars can get a lot these days

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puddytat

6th February 2016, 19:38

That's a good one...If only you knew.

What ? That you're also a religious bigot who sins 6 days a week & repents on the 7th......
You probably are more sympathetic to those militia idiots just up the road from you:facepalm:

Katman

6th February 2016, 19:39

You probably are more aligned to those militia idiots just up the road from you:facepalm:

Steady on, I actually have a degree of respect for those guys.

puddytat

6th February 2016, 20:18

Steady on, I actually have a degree of respect for those guys.

Why though....'cause they good ole boys never meanin' no harm,fighting the system like true modern day Robin Hoods?
And yet here in NZ the only people out there fighting for their rights & respect, are viciously ridiculed....
where the fuck is our empathy people?
Oh I know....its in the rubbish hole with the carcasses of the animals cruely killed by callow hands, guided by the misogynistic belief of the Rugby racing & beer careerist.
Our world isn't dying is it. No ....its being systematically killed by the fucking corporations .The only people trying to do anything about it are the fellow NZers that we saw on TV the other night. They are the truly brave amongst the masses of indolent self satisfied bigoted cunts & racists....

Katman

6th February 2016, 20:20

I think you misunderstand me.

I have a great degree of respect for anyone who is prepared to try and buck City Hall.

Katman

6th February 2016, 20:22

One of my Dad's favourite sayings was "You can't buck City Hall"

I'll die happily trying.

puddytat

6th February 2016, 20:23

Yes I know that....I should have put in that it wasn't directed at you, personally.

husaberg

6th February 2016, 20:33

Translated, "Paul Henry doesn't share my warped, fucked up world view" but is uber successful regardless.

but is likely uber successful nevertheless, because he doesn't share Axholes deluded beliefs in the first place.

FJRider

6th February 2016, 20:33

... I'll die happily trying.

Then it would be in the best interest of us all ... if you keep trying .. :yes:

You (or us) ... will (might) get a win ...

sidecar bob

6th February 2016, 20:43

One of my Dad's favourite sayings was "You can't buck City Hall"

I'll die happily trying.
Whereas I'd rather die enjoying life while not giving too much of a fuck about what city hall is up to.

mashman

6th February 2016, 20:44

:corn: +some courtesy chars

Katman

6th February 2016, 20:44

Whereas I'd rather die enjoying life while not giving too much of a fuck about what city hall is up to.

While they furtively fuck you over?

Wake the fuck up man.

puddytat

6th February 2016, 20:53

Whereas I'd rather die enjoying life while not giving too much of a fuck about what city hall is up to.

I call bullshit.....Im sure you'd be up in arms if the Horis got something given to them by the council...

Brian d marge

6th February 2016, 21:08

Why though....'cause they good ole boys never meanin' no harm,fighting the system like true modern day Robin Hoods?
And yet here in NZ the only people out there fighting for their rights & respect, are viciously ridiculed....
where the fuck is our empathy people?
Oh I know....its in the rubbish hole with the carcasses of the animals cruely killed by callow hands, guided by the misogynistic belief of the Rugby racing & beer careerist.
Our world isn't dying is it. No ....its being systematically killed by the fucking corporations .The only people trying to do anything about it are the fellow NZers that we saw on TV the other night. They are the truly brave amongst the masses of indolent self satisfied bigoted cunts & racists....
Yes but

Daisy Duke ..... Hubba hubba

Beer and football. Yes please

This collapse in to decadence seems quite pleasant

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mashman

6th February 2016, 21:13

Yes but

Daisy Duke ..... Hubba hubba

Beer and football. Yes please

This collapse in to decadence seems quite pleasant

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If ya don't wanna scare the herd like...

Brian d marge

6th February 2016, 21:19

If ya don't wanna scare the herd like...
Double the dose of strictly come dancing ... Or if really bad .. Master chef Australia
That should subdue even the most savage soul

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mashman

6th February 2016, 21:24

Double the dose of strictly come dancing ... Or if really bad .. Master chef/Come dine with me/My kitchen rules/Bakery fookoff Australia/UK/US/NZ + the hour later versions etc...
That should subdue even the most savage soul

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:clap: :clap: :clap: but made a little alteration coz you're a lazy fecker :shifty:
The latest outcome is folk wanting to do dinner nights that we know we'll never have time to have... as if munchies incited by TV wasn't bad enough.

jasonu

7th February 2016, 04:33

One of my Dad's favourite sayings was "You can't buck City Hall"

I'll die happily trying.

Like LaVoy Finicum did.

jasonu

7th February 2016, 04:35

I call bullshit.....Im sure you'd be up in arms if the Horis got something given to them by the council...

What do you mean 'if'????? The handouts are many, regular and apparently never ending.

puddytat

7th February 2016, 08:00

sidecar bob

7th February 2016, 08:52

I call bullshit.....Im sure you'd be up in arms if the Horis got something given to them by the council...

They've already got most things. Yesterday should have been equal rights for whites day.
You immigrant types don't really get it, because you weren't here in the '70's & can't see the difference between then & now & consequently are a lot more sympathetic to the IWI (I Want It) types.

RDJ

7th February 2016, 09:05

So what is worse....helping your fellow countrymen , resolving issues of race & grievances over having your country stolen......or letting corporates get away with paying a pittance & the cronyism & nepotism of politics & business?
Great straw man you've set up there - pity it is so flimsy. No-one currently alive stole anyone's country. And people who can't get over what happened 150 years ago will never be happy in the present.

Ocean1

7th February 2016, 09:08

So what is worse....helping your fellow countrymen

Which we spent $28.2 billion on last year.

resolving issues of race & grievances over having your country stolen..

Which simply isn't possible when every participant in the events concerned is long dead.

or letting corporates get away with paying a pittance & the cronyism & nepotism of politics & business?

Which does exist. But let's not get all uppity about a minority of businessmen behaving badly. Particularly as they're managing to do so entirely within the law, and in doing so provide the jobs and income your fellow countrymen need, whether in their pay cheque or amongst that $28.2 billion social welfare "help".

puddytat

7th February 2016, 09:11

They've already got most things. Yesterday should have been equal rights for whites day.
You immigrant types don't really get it, because you weren't here in the '70's & can't see the difference between then & now & consequently are a lot more sympathetic to the IWI (I Want It) types.

Ive been here since '64,born in Upper Hutt

Great straw man you've set up there - pity it is so flimsy. No-one currently alive stole anyone's country. And people who can't get over what happened 150 years ago will never be happy in the present.

You probably prefer the Hollow men no doubt.

Akzle

7th February 2016, 09:12

Great straw man you've set up there - pity it is so flimsy. No-one currently alive stole anyone's country. And people who can't get over what happened 150 years ago will never be happy in the present.

orrright. Then, give everyone the democratic choice. A) fuck off b) abandon the white governance system or c) keep the status quo.

Cos frankly, renting the space you occupy off "the crown" and being more or less forced to use jewgold to survive* is a croc of fucking shit.
The/my main objection is the assumption that whitey/"the crown" OWN land, and or have any right to determine its allocation/use. (done by the monopolistic enforced trade of jewgold, no less)To say nothing of the "justice" system.
jews, the fucken lottofem.

*survive in a social sense, interact on a modern level, fuel, tech, etc

puddytat

7th February 2016, 09:16

Which simply isn't possible when every participant in the events concerned is long dead.

".

Doesn't stop the Jews bleating though does it.

jasonu

7th February 2016, 09:16

So what is worse....helping your fellow countrymen , resolving issues of race & grievances over having your country stolen......or letting corporates get away with paying a pittance & the cronyism & nepotism of politics & business?

I was going to reply to your post but the reply's below pretty much cover it.

Great straw man you've set up there - pity it is so flimsy. No-one currently alive stole anyone's country. And people who can't get over what happened 150 years ago will never be happy in the present.

Which we spent $28.2 billion on last year.

Which simply isn't possible when every participant in the events concerned is long dead.

Which does exist. But let's not get all uppity about a minority of businessmen behaving badly. Particularly as they're managing to do so entirely within the law, and in doing so provide the jobs and income your fellow countrymen need, whether in their pay cheque or amongst that $28.2 billion social welfare "help".

Crasherfromwayback

7th February 2016, 09:57

For the muppets that think the TPPA is a-ok. Grab your ankles folks.

https://www.facebook.com/senatorelizabethwarren/videos/552955198200311/

gjm

7th February 2016, 10:08

For the muppets that think the TPPA is a-ok. Grab your ankles folks.

https://www.facebook.com/senatorelizabethwarren/videos/552955198200311/

Bernie Sanders has said the same thing.

Madness

7th February 2016, 10:10

She dresses real good for a dole bludger.

https://medium.com/@actionstation/the-economics-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement-bec30567c425#.cixhkl3f2

puddytat

7th February 2016, 10:41

fuck yeah...she's hot.

oldrider

7th February 2016, 10:46

For the muppets that think the TPPA is a-ok. Grab your ankles folks.

https://www.facebook.com/senatorelizabethwarren/videos/552955198200311/

The secrecy is the give away it goes against every expected outcome learned in life as we grow up - where there are secrets expect shit!!!! :shifty:

Katman

7th February 2016, 10:47

Something that's possibly worth considering.

https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/dumping-radioactive-food-from-japan-on-the-world-why-the-tpp-is-a-pending-disaster/

Crasherfromwayback

7th February 2016, 11:00

Something that's possibly worth considering.

https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/dumping-radioactive-food-from-japan-on-the-world-why-the-tpp-is-a-pending-disaster/

Nasty stuff...

http://collectivelyconscious.net/articles/fukushima-the-extinction-level-event-that-no-one-is-talking-about/#.VrQPWIQk9rg.facebook