Oh dear, Jeremy has to make public apology for "mumbling" that word

[PrincessBandit]

How come it's offensive to use that word when dumbarse wannabe gangsta rappers can say it whenever they like?

[jellywrestler]

How come it's offensive to use that word when dumbarse wannabe gangsta rappers can say it whenever they like?

he didn't use the word in a final take, whoever drew this to public attention needs a few niggas around to smadh their face in.

[James Deuce]

OK, this is where one has to step back and bear in mind that the culture you are discussing has taken ownership of that word as a collective noun. You may not agree with it, but it is not OK for the people who prosecuted imperialism and slavery on a racial sub-group of the same species because they had developed a philosophy that meant everyone not of European descent was genetically inferior to use. The Bronx Zoo had a human on display in 1902 and regarded him sub-human. A proportion of the population were horrified by this, and he was eventually freed, but he committed ritual suicide. He was an African pygmy. His family were murdered and he was forcibly relocated to Bronx Zoo.

Back to the original topic: How Clarkson recited that ditty is how I recite that ditty. It was taught to me when I began to speak. That is how I remember eeny, meeni, myknee, mo. My kids got taught the tiger version. When they used to come out with it it was a massive personal battle not to use the N word. It doesn't matter if you are personally affronted that "African-Americans" have appropriated a word. Our culture stole far more from generations of Africans. It's a touch over-sensitive to complain about that particular issue, however I think the bastards who have set after Jeremy Clarkson about this are fuckwits. We have seen massive change in cultural perceptions and the definition of racism and inter-cultural relations in the last 50 years. It is incredibly hard to break habits inculcated in early childhood.

[oneofsix]

I'm more upset about them changing the dogs name in Dambusters than the Clarkson affair, nigger is the typical anglo abbreviation of the Spanish word for black and the dog was black. Yeah Jerry let the word slip as he had learnt the ditty as a kid - so what, it didn't make to air until some scum released it and the media grabbed hold of it. Maybe it is time we stopped letting the media making us over sensitive to dum words. Correction read PC brigade for media.

:corn:

[PrincessBandit]

It is incredibly hard to break habits inculcated in early childhood.

Exactly. Something that was a common childhood recitation when trying to make a choice is incredibly hard to break. When we said it as kids we had no idea that nigger was one of the "bad" words, although I don't know that it was "bad" back then. Is that a more recent thing?

[PrincessBandit]

I'm more upset about them changing the dogs name in Dambusters
:corn:

OMG, I fell for that one at quiz night last year, being sure I knew the name of the dog in the slide - got our scribe to write it down (the Dambusters dog was a big news item at the time), only to discover that the dog was Hitler's dog, Blondie :facepalm: Boy did I get r-soles for that for a while!!

[jellywrestler]

we'll see when he fils in south africa if he has 'The Nig' with him eh?

[Ocean1]

it is not OK for the people who prosecuted....

They're all dead, dude. Gone. And their culture and ethics with them.

I point blank refuse to accept accountability for anyone else's behaviour, especially when I wasn't alive at the time.

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.

Edit: have I ever told you about the gollywogs a friend of the family made my kids?

She was the blackest woman you're ever likely to meet.

[James Deuce]

No,it's always been bad. Deliberately so. Sub-humans have no real feelings so it doesn't matter kind of bad. Teaching your kids that sort of vileness through rote and repetition is how you perpetuate economic advantage on a generational basis. That's the fundamental evil of that word. We've only just got our heads around it in time to realise that our society is completely built on the straw foundations of a moral system that views people as corporate entities.

[James Deuce]

They're all dead, dude. Gone. And their culture and ethics with them.

I point blank refuse to accept accountability for anyone else's behaviour, especially when I wasn't alive at the time.

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.

Nope, that isn't the issue. See my post above and you'll note it has nothing to do with grievance. It is simply about maintaining attitudes that allow one to justify the exploitation of the majority of the world's population for the benefit of a minority.

[Ocean1]

Nope, that isn't the issue. See my post above and you'll note it has nothing to do with grievance. It is simply about maintaining attitudes that allow one to justify the exploitation of the majority of the world's population for the benefit of a minority.

But I don't agree that the use of a word that outside of modern America means "black" implies any such attitude. It's bullshit, and I refuse to accept that it's use implies acceptance of any such exploitation.

[rustyrobot]

And yes, the whole grievance attitude is almost laughably precious.


Said every person ever without a grievance.

[SMOKEU]

People should stop being so fucking over sensitive. Who cares if someone says the word "nigger"? I don't mind if someone wants to poke a bit of fun at my heritage, and call me a "yarpie" or whatever.

These people who are so keen to complain need to find something better to do with their time.


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[Oakie]

No one has mentioned that the 'newspaper' that broke the story (The Daily Mirror) was the one who employed Piers Morgan, the twat who has been having an ongoing stouch with Clarkson for quite some time now. Perhaps some of Morgan's old mates are stirring things a little on Morgan's behalf?

[bogan]

What'd he say? what context?

Seems the plebs will take any excuse to get upset these days...

[Ocean1]

Said every person ever without a grievance.

If I was silly enough to feel aggrieved at an historic culture's treatment of my ancestors I certainly wouldn't be idiot enough to lay the blame at the feet of their children.

And to take offence at the perfectly valid use of a word with perfectly innocent antecedents by a completely different culture is asinine in the extreme.

[oneofsix]

OMG, I fell for that one at quiz night last year, being sure I knew the name of the dog in the slide - got our scribe to write it down (the Dambusters dog was a big news item at the time), only to discover that the dog was Hitler's dog, Blondie :facepalm: Boy did I get r-soles for that for a while!!

:lol: but a point in that both blondie and ginga could both be considered in the same terms

[R650R]

No one has mentioned that the 'newspaper' that broke the story (The Daily Mirror) was the one who employed Piers Morgan, the twat who has been having an ongoing stouch with Clarkson for quite some time now. Perhaps some of Morgan's old mates are stirring things a little on Morgan's behalf?

I was about to say something like that was up. Goofy as he is Clarkson is one of the medias operatives and wouldn't do say anything off the script.
BTW if people want to bring up slavery the blacks were sold and traded as they were stronger than the white slaves of which there were many.
Ironically the selective breeding by the slave traders has produced the modern super fit American sports stars of today
Shouldn't even be news such an obvious dredge from the past.

[St_Gabriel]

Hmmmm, may as well leave this here then... :whistle:


http://youtu.be/XJrwc6RRhMY

[scumdog]

How come them tinted chappies (well thay ain't 'zactly black, are they) can call each other nigga and it's OK???:blink:

[mashman]

What'd he say? what context?

Seems the plebs will take any excuse to get upset these days...

eeny meeny miney mo
catch a nigger by the toe
if he squeals let him go
enny meeny minry mo.

Was saying that for years and had no clue what it meant before I met my first coon.

[Pussy]

I dare say it would be difficult to get hold of a copy of a book that my primary school library used to have. "Little Black Sambo"...

[imdying]

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/HTwIY.gif" />

[Kickaha]

I dare say it would be difficult to get hold of a copy of a book that my primary school library used to have. "Little Black Sambo"...

Easy on TM
http://www.trademe.co.nz/books/young-adult-fiction/author-ac/auction-724510393.htm

[blue rider]

well this might be one of the reasons


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5joRRYNypKM&list=RDn2RLwrm82kc

[jim.cox]

How come them tinted chappies (well thay ain't 'zactly black, are they) can call each other nigga and it's OK???:blink:

'cos of the spelling - Nigga is ok - Nigger is not - Yes?

[98tls]

Funny old world we live in eh with all the shit that goes on in it every day cunts still run around complaining about words like nigger,i guess its just a way for do-gooders and the media to avoid the reality of how sad life is for many on this earth.

[scumdog]

'cos of the spelling - Nigga is ok - Nigger is not - Yes?

Nah, since a lot of them pronounce ask as aks how the hell are we meant to figure out which way the spell the Enn word??:blink:

[jim.cox]

how the hell are we meant to figure out which way the spell the Enn word??:blink:

Which ever way you prefer.

Myself, I'd go for "Kniggah" :)

[98tls]

Personally i find the white niggers more offensive,poor things born with there pale complexions no wonder they feel anger at the world.

[Voltaire]

Does this mean the BBC won't be making any more of " The Black and White Minstrels"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoYOraDt1_k

Maybe they will make him drive a Hybrid as penance ( obscure Catholic word)

[nzspokes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhinDPlcdLY

[jonbuoy]

We had to explain to my girlfriends son that "nigger" was an offensive word and shouldn´t be used - he has grown up in Spain and Spanish schools and only learnt the word through you tube, radio and "vines" - he couldn´t understand that black people found it offensive and then used it themselves so extensively.

[mashman]

I was Nazi saluted by an 11 year old today... enough so that a couple of others joined in. I explained what it was (high level) and they didn't care, even at the thought that it could get them killed in certain parts of the world. Monkey see........

[Dogboy900]

I find it slightly amazing that Kiwi's find it so hard to understand that a group might use a derogatory word to describe them or others of their group and it's OK, but for someone else not of that group to use it to describe them is insulting.

Do you ever call your mates cunts, wankers, or dirty whores? How would you or they react to a stranger calling them that?

We have a culture here of using words that might be deemed extremely insulting against our friends, but by the same token bump into a stranger in the street and call him a fucking cunt and he is likely to swing for you, despite the fact his mates may have called him that multiple times that day already.

The above is a massive simplification and James Duece already said it way better, but it might help to explain why people of colour can call themselves nigger and white people cannot.

I don't believe Clarkson used it to be insulting and think it was a slip of the tongue which I have to confess I have to consciously avoid when using the eny miny moe rhyme. As others have said the person releasing it is the one that should be jumped on!

[Dangsta]

I don't understand how Jay-Z and other rappers can say the "N" word constantly and they get paid massive amounts, women throw themselves at them and they get idolised on tv. I say it once at a football match and get sent home. One rule for the rich and another for the poor. When will this hypocracy end?

[skinman]

clarkson got stitched, the clip was 1 of 3 & never meant to go to air. He did retake after listening to it. someone leaked it.

[pritch]

James2 and oneofsix have it right. He mumbled "eeeny meeny myknee mo" etc... The lines were not even included in the show.

There are people these days, mostly it seems from one part of the political spectrum, who want anything or anyone they object to taken off TV immediately.
Me? I just change the bloody channel.

Both of Clarkson's colleagues defended him, words to the effect that he isn't a racist, he's just an idiot. But we already knew that.

[Oakie]

I dare say it would be difficult to get hold of a copy of a book that my primary school library used to have. "Little Black Sambo"...

I have a copy about 5 metres from where I sit. It was read to me by my Dad about 50 years ago.

[avgas]

I still for the life of me can't understand why niggers were caught by toes.

[Waihou Thumper]

Don't worry, this is the same country that took away the Gollywog off Rowntree jam jars and
accused Big Ears of being gay when Noddy was kidnapped....kids just cannot grow up with nursery rhymes and stories anymore....

Next will be Toad of Toad Hall being accused of animal cruelty when he has visits from Rat, Mole and Badger!
The world has gone crazy....:lol:

[unstuck]

Whiggers are worse than Niggers.

[Dangsta]

I find it incredible that one word can cause so much division and hatred. Its just a couple of "G's" and "I" and an "E", an "R" and an "N". Lets all just say it and get it over with. "GINGER". There you go. Vitamin E deficient, red headed bastards that they are.

[Dangsta]

How come them tinted chappies (well thay ain't 'zactly black, are they) can call each other nigga and it's OK???:blink:

Dude..if you have to be black (or off white) to call someone "nigga"..um, that's cool by me. Keep it. I'm good.

[skippa1]

Nah, since a lot of them pronounce ask as aks ??:blink:
Yeah what the fuck is that about? The new receptionist at work does that.........

[JimO]

i dont know what the black cunts are moaning about the descendants of slaves in hamerica are way better off than the descendants of the africans who remained behind, i will bet that even living in poverty in the states is way better than living in poverty in africa...........where i grew up a neighbor had a black lab called nigger, sometimes you could hear him calling nigger...NIGGER..NIGGER...​nigger

[Voltaire]

Makes for a great 'news' story, much more newsy than say the imminent collapse of Ukraine or Syria.

You can than the very dumbed down British tabloids and their equally dumb readership for this type of story.

[awayatc]

All these under and over sun exposed Seppo's calling people "dog".......

wouldn't that make you barking mad...?

all far to black and white for me..........

[mashman]

I still for the life of me can't understand why niggers were caught by toes.

Because gunning them down gets boring very quickly.

[PrincessBandit]

I find it slightly amazing that Kiwi's find it so hard to understand that a group might use a derogatory word to describe them or others of their group and it's OK, but for someone else not of that group to use it to describe them is insulting.

Do you ever call your mates cunts, wankers, or dirty whores? How would you or they react to a stranger calling them that?

We have a culture here of using words that might be deemed extremely insulting against our friends, but by the same token bump into a stranger in the street and call him a fucking cunt and he is likely to swing for you, despite the fact his mates may have called him that multiple times that day already.

The above is a massive simplification and James Duece already said it way better, but it might help to explain why people of colour can call themselves nigger and white people cannot.

I don't believe Clarkson used it to be insulting and think it was a slip of the tongue which I have to confess I have to consciously avoid when using the eny miny moe rhyme. As others have said the person releasing it is the one that should be jumped on!

I see your point but quite frankly I would never call a friend a wanker, dirty whore, bitch, the thought of even uttering "wassup mah bich?" I find totally alien. If a word is insulting, it's insulting no matter who says it; either that or it's not an insulting word at all, only something people want to make an issue of for their own agenda.

[oldrider]

All this race card crap is just too precious why don't they just get over themselves and move on FFS!

As little kids we were always told "sticks and stones can break your bones but names can never hurt you" get over it! :yes:

[Dogboy900]

To add another spin to it... Why are so many so attached to wanting to use the word nigger? Is there some strange pleasure they get from using a naughty word which will offend a large amount of people? Or are they truly racist and don't want to come out and say they believe black people are inferior so hide behind things like "well my neighbor used to have a black dog called nigger so it is alright to use the word"

I have no desire to introduce the word to my daily vocabulary, nor do I call or describe people as gooks, wogs, chinks, or nagis, if you do maybe you should examine your reasons for wanting to do so?

[pritch]

you could hear him calling nigger...NIGGER..NIGGER...​nigger

I bet he didn't live in Flaxmere, or Otara, or Porirua, or...

[gjm]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10155477_10152409966405350_3045456979040801154_n.j pg

[mashman]

To add another spin to it... Why are so many so attached to wanting to use the word nigger? Is there some strange pleasure they get from using a naughty word which will offend a large amount of people? Or are they truly racist and don't want to come out and say they believe black people are inferior so hide behind things like "well my neighbor used to have a black dog called nigger so it is alright to use the word"

I have no desire to introduce the word to my daily vocabulary, nor do I call or describe people as gooks, wogs, chinks, or nagis, if you do maybe you should examine your reasons for wanting to do so?

Welcome to the dark side.

[skippa1]

Tis a black day for journalism








nigger

[unstuck]

He is just lucky he never took the piss out of Allah, he would be stoned to death by now.

[mashman]

Tis a black day for journalism








nigger

Must be a coont of a job.

[awa355]

I still for the life of me can't understand why niggers were caught by toes.

Gin traps are usually set at ground level.

[PrincessBandit]

He is just lucky he never took the piss out of Allah, he would be stoned to death by now.

They got in the crap for dressing like women in their middle eastern challenge :shit:

[Laava]

So is "cracker" the reverse equivalent? Certainly hear that bandied about a bit.

[Swoop]

No one has mentioned that the 'newspaper' that broke the story (The Daily Mirror) was the one who employed Piers Morgan, the twat who has been having an ongoing stouch with Clarkson for quite some time now. Perhaps some of Morgan's old mates are stirring things a little on Morgan's behalf?
Potentially coupled with Clarkson's "some say the Stig..." remark in the final programme...

Does this mean the BBC won't be making any more of " The Black and White Minstrels"
The BBC won't be, but TVNZ has a VERY good chance to do so.

[Woodman]

What is it like to be offended?

Should I be offended about things people say? and what things should I be offended by?

[Laava]

Does not take much to swing wildly out of control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfIgcL99Ob8&sns=em

[Ocean1]

What is it like to be offended?

Should I be offended about things people say? and what things should I be offended by?

I'm still deciding if I should be mortally offended with pakeha.

[nodrog]

Good Fuckin job Clarkson you racist cunt.

Racism is a crime,


and crime is for Niggers.

[jasonu]

'cos of the spelling - Nigga is ok - Nigger is not - Yes?

Correct.
Here ya go niggas... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82oLNxCvHU

[Berries]

I think he is a little annoyed - They are all wankers says Clarkson (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-27266102).

[Tazz]

I'm still deciding if I should be mortally offended with pakeha.

Was just going to mention that :laugh:

Doesn't bother me but I've always thought it seemed borderline considering what is offensive going the other way...:whistle:

[Ocean1]

I think he is a little annoyed - They are all wankers says Clarkson.

Well he's right.

Not that the truth is the perfect defence the old saying suggested it was in this very precious age.

[Ocean1]

Was just going to mention that :laugh:

Doesn't bother me but I've always thought it seemed borderline considering what is offensive going the other way...:whistle:

Don't bother me either, but it's had so many claimed antecedents over the years as to be almost certainly derogatory in origin.

And if we're to use the current example as any sort of guide then any word evoking offense from anyone at all is automatically reprehensible, Period. No matter what it's actual meaning, whether it means something completely different somewhere else or whether the word had been appropriated by some minority sub-culture in the first place.

Nobody has the right to not be offended, nor to dictate etiquette to those of a culture not their own.

[400sm]

People should stop being so fucking over sensitive. Who cares if someone says the word "nigger"? I don't mind if someone wants to poke a bit of fun at my heritage, and call me a "yarpie" or whatever.

These people who are so keen to complain need to find something better to do with their time.


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Noice !

Your page design has a certain je ne say kwa about it :sunny:

Web page art is either your profession, or a latent talent !

What ideas would you have for say, Maoris, Islanders, Jews, Homosexuals and Feminists ?

[James Deuce]

nor to dictate etiquette to those of a culture not their own.

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

[oldrider]

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

Take another look and you will see that most of it was in Israel's interest, they seem to have control of USA's zipper! (Little head leading big head as usual)

[HenryDorsetCase]

KVN_0qvuhhw

Tim Minchin "Prejudice". this is very good. My favourite Aussie comedian. Quite the muso too.

Also, no thread is complete without Patti Smith

Baby was a black sheep, baby was a whore

DLIkM4wvcC8

[HenryDorsetCase]

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

Why did I spend so much time reading about history and stuff when all I really needed was to come onto KB and get the learn from you?

[mashman]

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

The proverbial tip of the iceberg. I have a sneaking suspicion that it goes even deeper than that... but hey, I'm TFH.

[Smifffy]

Now he's squealed, they should let him go. Isn't that how it's meant to work?

[Berries]

No, I think they burn them at the stake.

[Waihou Thumper]

Back on topic...almost....

Clearly Clarkson was referring to the guy on the bridge that they had made....
'Slope' .......derogatory...
Apparently there has been numerous complaints again.
The little fella quickly came to his rescue and mentioned the supposed 'angle' of the bridge....

No doubt he also pissed off horse lovers too, making a comment ' no wonder they make these things into glue' :)
when he had his small testicles squashed with a pony ride into town...:)

He ain't gonna win....ever!

[Ocean1]

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

Possibly overstated, their politics aren't necessarily any more fraught with malice than any other nation's. They do have the commercial clout to indulge in some of the more nefarious activities others don't, I'll give you that, and their citizens seem unwilling or unable to moderate that behaviour. I'd like to attribute that to the heavy influence of religion and a general hugely self-absorbed, nationalistic culture. But I'd probably be letting my prejudices show.

Oh, and I'm not convinced a majority of Kiwis identify with "the power bloc that NZ identifies with", certainly not to the point they'd countenance seriously dodgy behaviour. I've yet to meet an individual who sides with anyone practicing the sort of bulk public spying the US has been found to engage in for example, of any nationality. And NZ is probably alone amongst modern western nations in having drawn an ethical line in the sand wrt US martial aspirations, and made it stick. In spite of the nonsensical addition of nuclear propulsion to the original anti nuclear weapons stance I'm quite proud of that,

[Laava]

Back on topic...almost....

Clearly Clarkson was referring to the guy on the bridge that they had made....
'Slope' .......derogatory...
Apparently there has been numerous complaints again.
The little fella quickly came to his rescue and mentioned the supposed 'angle' of the bridge....

No doubt he also pissed off horse lovers too, making a comment ' no wonder they make these things into glue' :)
when he had his small testicles squashed with a pony ride into town...:)

He ain't gonna win....ever!

But this is an example of why he has been so popular. He is a good journalist and damn funny. Don't particularly like him myself but I still think he is funny...for a cracker.

[gjm]

Back on topic...almost....

Clearly Clarkson was referring to the guy on the bridge that they had made....
'Slope' .......derogatory...
Apparently there has been numerous complaints again.
The little fella quickly came to his rescue and mentioned the supposed 'angle' of the bridge....

No doubt he also pissed off horse lovers too, making a comment ' no wonder they make these things into glue' :)
when he had his small testicles squashed with a pony ride into town...:)

He ain't gonna win....ever!
Too many people with too much sensitivity, and too much time on their hands.

It never ceases to amaze me - if people don't like what Clarkson et al (and similar individuals) have to say, why do they watch? It's a TV program. It isn't as if there are no other channels!

[Waihou Thumper]

Too many people with too much sensitivity, and too much time on their hands.

It never ceases to amaze me - if people don't like what Clarkson et al (and similar individuals) have to say, why do they watch? It's a TV program. It isn't as if there are no other channels!

Didn't find it a problem for myself, did I imply that?

[gjm]

Didn't find it a problem for myself, did I imply that?

Agreeing with you; certainly not suggesting anything otherwise!

[caseye]

I've enjoyed watching Top Gear and other productions featuring Jeremy, Hammond and James for many years.
This is Political Bull Shit taken to the nth degree.
Wot, people can't take a comment or two?
Hell, lets fight another world war over a name shall we.
Sticks and Stones, remember?

[Voltaire]

Actually the power bloc that NZ identifies with as "the Good Guys" has spent the last 400 years dictating etiquette to other cultures with an increasing number of tools. The leader of the good guys has invaded its neighbours more than 100 times in the last 150 years because they weren't following etiquette. I believe the last 20 years of wars led by the US have simply been about reminding people who has the biggest military and economic penis and Western, White, European in origin etiquette states that no one else is allowed to brandish their penis on the international market while the white guy has his out.

It's past time we told the US to do their zipper up.

I wonder how things would have panned out if ' the Good Guys" had not bothered.

Assuming that the British never bothered with an Empire and the Americans focused on their internal economy.....

The French or Dutch would have taken NZ and probably Aussie.
That is until the Germans took over Western Europe and probably the UK.
Russia and China would still be as they were in the 19th Century
Japan may have taken over China as who would have stopped them,
The Germans could have taken Russia out.
Maybe there would have been no America as it would have been Spanish.
The Arabs and Jew would be doing what they have been doing for 2000 years, like bald men fighting over a comb.
So instead of the Brits and the Yanks it would be Spanish, French and Japs.
;)

[jonbuoy]

If they think eeny meeny mini moe is bad wait till they hear this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_EkVQQRf0E

[Banditbandit]

Hmm .. I wonder why so many people here are defending Clarkson - a known hater of motorcycles and riders ..

[SMOKEU]

Noice !

Your page design has a certain je ne say kwa about it :sunny:

Web page art is either your profession, or a latent talent !

What ideas would you have for say, Maoris, Islanders, Jews, Homosexuals and Feminists ?

Maori (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Maori) (also includes Pacific Islanders in general)

Jews (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Jew)


Gays (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Gays)

Feminists (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Feminist)

[Ocean1]

Hmm .. I wonder why so many people here are defending Clarkson - a known hater of motorcycles and riders ..

Probably because many people have had a guts full of politically correct social indoctrination and find anyone that calls a spade a fucking shovel somewhat refreshing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hmm .. I wonder why so many people here are defending Clarkson - a known hater of motorcycles and riders ..

because I think most people have some sympathy for what is fairly clearly a feral media beat-up against someone with a massive public profile.

Clarkson did not say "nigger" out loud, and he was reciting a nursery rhyme for goodness sake. One of the nursery rhymes that was recited to me as a kid. And, it did not air in the finished programme.

He did not call anyone a nigger, nor was he racially pejorative. It is arguable that the earlier ("slope") incident was worse.


I actually think that short of jerking off in the chairman of the BBC's shoes (and who knows, he might be into that) JC can do whatever he wants because TG is so hugely popular. 300MILLION people watch the show and it is sold in 200 territories. That is, in the parlance of the day, what we call a big earner.

For goodness sake.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Probably because many people have had a guts full of politically correct social indoctrination and find anyone that calls a spade a fucking shovel somewhat refreshing.

Yeah, all you white, male middle class oppressors have SUCH a hard life, eh?

[Banditbandit]

http://andrewjpatrick.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/racism-obama-supporter-gay-liberal-demotivational-poster-1232462406.jpg

[HenryDorsetCase]

I do not understand that cartoon at all. and Jesus Christ, sorry, Jeremy Clarkson is hardly a liberal.

[bogan]

Hmm .. I wonder why so many people here are defending Clarkson - a known hater of motorcycles and riders ..

Perhaps we aren't defending what he said, as much as his right to say it...

JC is a GC, makes good TV cos of his forthrightness and anti-PC stance. For an anti-PC advocate to lose support due to them saying something not PC about our interests, is a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say?

[Swoop]

No doubt he also pissed off horse lovers too, making a comment ' no wonder they make these things into glue' :)
when he had his small testicles squashed with a pony ride into town.
He obviously knows what actually went into animal glue.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, all you white, male middle class oppressors have SUCH a hard life, eh?

Don't fucking start eh? :laugh:

[skippa1]

He obviously knows what actually went into animal glue.
Animals have glue?......I guess that's why they stick together, like herds or flocks






nigger

[pzkpfw]

I was watching a re-run of Top Gear yesterday.

In the news segment, JC was all agog describing some valve in the exhaust of some car, that made it louder when you accelerated hard. It was great *, apparently. Then he was all angry about "noisy" motorbikes. (Sport-bikes using the roads near his house in the country). Then he liked the noise of some other car.

This was all without the slightest hint of self-awareness about his hypocrisy.

That offended me.

* what's worse, is in a fairly recent column by him I read in the paper, he was all against that kind of artificiality.


(Though for the record, I generally find him amusing; you just need to know how big a dose of salt to take with him. And the current issue is a stupid media beat-up.)

[oldrider]

If ever there was a racist it was that skinny white appologist supposidly representing the NBA on USA TV screaming for the white team owners blood! :doh:

[Banditbandit]

If ever there was a racist it was that skinny white appologist supposidly representing the NBA on USA TV screaming for the white team owners blood! :doh:

The race of the owner had nothing to do with it - the fact that the stupid fucker made very racist remarks did ...

[gjm]

The race of the owner had nothing to do with it - the fact that the stupid fucker made very racist remarks did ...

Not that the 'discreet' recording of conversations had any part to play in yet another sensationalist "I wanna be famous" type situation! :msn-wink:

But yes - there's misinterpreted comments, things said as part of a rhyme from before many of us were born, and similar, and then there are those who evidently have an agenda of some description and deliberately say things that will or are intended to offend.

Nothing worse than a closed mind.

[Smifffy]

If they think eeny meeny mini moe is bad wait till they hear this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_EkVQQRf0E

From the sidebar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFCSvqsqFA

[oldrider]

The race of the owner had nothing to do with it - the fact that the stupid fucker made very racist remarks did ...

Everybody on this planet is racist at some time or other ... maybe people are acting just a little too precious! :facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Everybody on this planet is racist at some time or other ... maybe people are acting just a little too precious! :facepalm:

Us precious people take offence to that, I going to tell our leader Russell Norman :laugh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

actually, what I object to more than racism, are people who pronounce the word "racist" as "ray shist".

Those people should be put to death unless they have a medically confirmed speech impediment. If so, their sentence is commuted to transportation to a sub-Antarctic island for life.

[Robert Taylor]

No one has mentioned that the 'newspaper' that broke the story (The Daily Mirror) was the one who employed Piers Morgan, the twat who has been having an ongoing stouch with Clarkson for quite some time now. Perhaps some of Morgan's old mates are stirring things a little on Morgan's behalf?

Jeremy was seated at St Pauls at dear old Maggie Thatchers funeral. Top bloke cut from the right cloth. All power to him and I hope in some way he nails that left leaning trashy excuse of a newspaper

[Robert Taylor]

Us precious people take offence to that, I going to tell our leader Russell Norman :laugh:

You mean that Aussie weasel?

[Maha]

I searched and found that famous Clint Eastwood scene form 'Escape from Alcatraz' the 'I hate Niggers' scene... it is on YouTube but the audio has been replaced with music.

[Woodman]

I was watching a re-run of Top Gear yesterday.

In the news segment, JC was all agog describing some valve in the exhaust of some car, that made it louder when you accelerated hard. It was great *, apparently. Then he was all angry about "noisy" motorbikes. (Sport-bikes using the roads near his house in the country). Then he liked the noise of some other car.

This was all without the slightest hint of self-awareness about his hypocrisy.

That offended me.

* what's worse, is in a fairly recent column by him I read in the paper, he was all against that kind of artificiality.


(Though for the record, I generally find him amusing; you just need to know how big a dose of salt to take with him. And the current issue is a stupid media beat-up.)


That offends you? seriously? that offends you??

How the fuck do you get through the day?

[Smifffy]

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.”
― Brigham Young

[Oakie]

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.”
― Brigham Young

Bugger! No win situation then, taking offence, huh!

[pzkpfw]

That offends you? seriously? that offends you??

Yes. I wrote a letter to my MP, and emailed the Pope for advice.


How the fuck do you get through the day?

Valium and alcohol.

That, and writing half-serious posts that dimwits take seriously.

[Woodman]

Yes. I wrote a letter to my MP, and emailed the Pope for advice.



Valium and alcohol.

That, and writing half-serious posts that dimwits take seriously.


Which half was serious?

[mashman]

“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool.”
― Brigham Young

Wonder what he would have said some 100+ years later about the internet?

[pzkpfw]

Which half was serious?

A quarter of it was being "offended" - but only using that word because of the very existence of this thread. It was largely hyperbole. If I'd written "slightly miffed" or "a portion perturbed" would that have been better for you? I do think some reaction to what I'd seen was warranted. (Whether it was designed to get that reaction from certain viewers or not.)

A quarter of it was to give an example how little I cared about the "offense" this thread is actually about, by saying I was offended by something pretty trivial.

[Woodman]

A quarter of it was being "offended" - but only using that word because of the very existence of this thread. It was largely hyperbole. If I'd written "slightly miffed" or "a portion perturbed" would that have been better for you? I do think some reaction to what I'd seen was warranted. (Whether it was designed to get that reaction from certain viewers or not.)

A quarter of it was to give an example how little I cared about the "offense" this thread is actually about, by saying I was offended by something pretty trivial.

You know, I reckon that a lot of folk who get "offended" by shit e.g. the Clarkson thing, are not actually "offended"but feel they should be for some reason.

[pzkpfw]

You know, I reckon that a lot of folk who get "offended" by shit e.g. the Clarkson thing, are not actually "offended"but feel they should be for some reason.

Possibly. Being taught something is wrong (in this case, rightly so) but then ignoring all context when reacting to it.

[PrincessBandit]

Lol, the ripple effect is still being felt on radio in NZ - this morning on More FM Gary and Simon were doing a p't of the whole Beyonce, Solange JayZ lift thing. They read their "transcript" of the conversation in the lift starting like this: (older whitey man doing best imitation he can of fierce black woman) Solange snaps at JayZ "Ground floor, black man" ... and it deteriorates from there.

Now what made me laugh was not so much his bad imitation of fierce black woman voice, although it was pretty funny, but the fact that we all know what she reeeeeeaaaaaalllllly would have said would've been "Ground floor, nigguh" But, as we all know, no one will dare say the word any more in the public arena.

How 'bout that for flow-on??

[jonbuoy]

Lol, the ripple effect is still being felt on radio in NZ - this morning on More FM Gary and Simon were doing a p't of the whole Beyonce, Solange JayZ lift thing. They read their "transcript" of the conversation in the lift starting like this: (older whitey man doing best imitation he can of fierce black woman) Solange snaps at JayZ "Ground floor, black man" ... and it deteriorates from there.

Now what made me laugh was not so much his bad imitation of fierce black woman voice, although it was pretty funny, but the fact that we all know what she reeeeeeaaaaaalllllly would have said would've been "Ground floor, nigguh" But, as we all know, no one will dare say the word any more in the public arena.

How 'bout that for flow-on??

Unless your black then you can say it as much as you want - if your black you can also make derogatory jokes about white people which we are not allowed to be offended by because we are all guilty- of being white.

[bogan]

Lol, the ripple effect is still being felt on radio in NZ - this morning on More FM Gary and Simon were doing a p't of the whole Beyonce, Solange JayZ lift thing. They read their "transcript" of the conversation in the lift starting like this: (older whitey man doing best imitation he can of fierce black woman) Solange snaps at JayZ "Ground floor, black man" ... and it deteriorates from there.

Now what made me laugh was not so much his bad imitation of fierce black woman voice, although it was pretty funny, but the fact that we all know what she reeeeeeaaaaaalllllly would have said would've been "Ground floor, nigguh" But, as we all know, no one will dare say the word any more in the public arena.

How 'bout that for flow-on??

A few questions...

What's a More FM? is radio still a thing? who are Gary and Simon (subquestion, are they gays?). I think Boncy is some singer right? who the fuck are Solange and Jays? (subquestion, are they gays too?).

[PrincessBandit]

A few questions...

What's a More FM? is radio still a thing? who are Gary and Simon (subquestion, are they gays?). I think Boncy is some singer right? who the fuck are Solange and Jays? (subquestion, are they gays too?).

You need to stay in more and play with your knob...(you know, on that stereo-y thingy in the room where the sofa is).

[Robert Taylor]

Unless your black then you can say it as much as you want - if your black you can also make derogatory jokes about white people which we are not allowed to be offended by because we are all guilty- of being white.

Of course if you are 2% Maori ( or thereabouts but 98% European or thereabouts ) you can conveniently be a Maori and denigrate the 98% of you that is European.

Its time we had politicians with balls and people with balls to say enough is enough.

[mashman]

Its time we had politicians with balls and people with balls to say enough is enough.

And do what exactly? Stop money going to people who money will still end up going to? I keep hearing that sort of shit and simply refuse to buy it anymore, primarily due to it being a lie.

[Ocean1]

And do what exactly?

Stop giving money to parasites that haven't earned it.

From the budget intro: “The future cost to taxpayers of people who received welfare in 2012/13 will be $76 B by the time they exit welfare or retire. About three quarters of that cost is due to people who first received a benefit under the age of 20.”

[mashman]

Stop giving money to parasites that haven't earned it.

To what end?

[bogan]

You need to stay in more and play with your knob...(you know, on that stereo-y thingy in the room where the sofa is).

Sounds rather quaint...


Of course if you are 2% Maori ( or thereabouts but 98% European or thereabouts ) you can conveniently be a Maori and denigrate the 98% of you that is European.

Its time we had politicians with balls and people with balls to say enough is enough.

100% kiwi, nuff said.

But yeh, special maori voting and seats is all pc gone mad, the more gcs like jc the people have to look to for example the better

[Ocean1]

To what end?

So you can take less from those that have earned it and give more to those that really need it.

Buying middle NZ's votes costs the minorities at both ends far more than is reasonable.

[mashman]

So you can take less from those that have earned it and give more to those that really need it.

Buying middle NZ's votes costs the minorities at both ends far more than is reasonable.

Because they earned it? All by themselves? As you well know market forces aren't what they appear to be and even if the free market existed there'd still be the same issues as the market would dictate "value" in exactly the same way as it currently does... unless of course it lived up to its name and was free that is. Monopolies will still be formed and any form of "legislation" that is implemented to the contrary obviously goes against the free market. What end does it serve to have a minority who have "earned" (questionable use of the word) what they have whilst leaving so many others in the gutter? I know you claim that those who have will invest, but it doesn't seem to be making a blind bit of difference. Seems like them thar folk working at Macca's around the globe ain't too happy either. As the guy from the Union put it (I bet that raised a smirk), once upon a time those sorts of service industry jobs where the preserve of the student and part-time worker (great excuse to pay shit money), whereas these days they're full time positions due to the lack of well paid work available.

Ahhhh politics... meh, that ain't gonna change any time soon. Easier to live at one end than the other though eh. Funny UK "statistic" (a stretch, but hey) 3250 people chasing benefit fraud worth $1.2 billion, 300 people chasing tax "fraud" worth $70.6 billion.

[Voltaire]

they had a similar stat here, guessing its easier for IRD to intimidate and prosecute poor people than 'lawyered up" rich and corporations.

[Swoop]

You need to stay in more and play with your knob...(you know, on that stereo-y thingy in the room where the sofa is).

I think Gary does enough of that.
Retarded, inbred, fuckwit who peddles a nasty biased wheelbarrow full of his own (deluded) agendas.

[bogan]

Funny UK "statistic" (a stretch, but hey) 3250 people chasing benefit fraud worth $1.2 billion, 300 people chasing tax "fraud" worth $70.6 billion.

Why is the second fraud in quote marks? Is it just a number made up by plebs to suit their agenda?

[jonbuoy]

Of course if you are 2% Maori ( or thereabouts but 98% European or thereabouts ) you can conveniently be a Maori and denigrate the 98% of you that is European.

Its time we had politicians with balls and people with balls to say enough is enough.

The danger is it gives extremists power. A black comedian can get up on stage and crack jokes about white guys not knowing how to dance - a white comedian would be slaughtered for singling out a group of people based on race/colour. It's not like racism is exclusive to white people.

[mashman]

they had a similar stat here, guessing its easier for IRD to intimidate and prosecute poor people than 'lawyered up" rich and corporations.

Ha...makes perfect sense. Shit should be illegal :eek:


Why is the second fraud in quote marks? Is it just a number made up by plebs to suit their agenda?

For the same reason statistic was in quotes. It may well be a number made up by the plebs to suit their agenda and I guess we'll never fully know for sure... but as pointed out by Voltaire, it likely looks easier to pummel those who can't defend themselves and it'll appease the righteous entitlement brigade and reinforce the notion that they can get away with "fraud" and not be chased.

[Ocean1]

Because they earned it? All by themselves?

No. They paid others for services and material. They also paid for the infrastructure required for production of their goods/services. In fact they paid several times for that infrastructure, and still haven't got what they paid for.


As you well know market forces aren't what they appear to be and even if the free market existed there'd still be the same issues as the market would dictate "value" in exactly the same way as it currently does... unless of course it lived up to its name and was free that is. Monopolies will still be formed and any form of "legislation" that is implemented to the contrary obviously goes against the free market.

So the free market that would make commerce fair wouldn't work because the market would dictate that it wouldn't be free?

Fuck, with drivel like that you shoulda been protesting about NZ's inequitable equalities along with all the other fuckwits today.

[bogan]

For the same reason statistic was in quotes. It may well be a number made up by the plebs to suit their agenda and I guess we'll never fully know for sure... but as pointed out by Voltaire, it likely looks easier to pummel those who can't defend themselves and it'll appease the righteous entitlement brigade and reinforce the notion that they can get away with "fraud" and not be chased.

What you mean never know for sure, seems pretty fucking specific to not be backed up by traceable figures. So I'll just chalk it up to BS concocted by the plebs to pummel those who can't defend themselves.

[Ocean1]

What you mean never know for sure, seems pretty fucking specific to not be backed up by traceable figures. So I'll just chalk it up to BS concocted by the plebs to pummel those who can't defend themselves.

No, see, he's read an article on confirmation bias and it PROVES everyone else is selectively quoting shit. :facepalm:

[Robert Taylor]

Stop giving money to parasites that haven't earned it.

From the budget intro: “The future cost to taxpayers of people who received welfare in 2012/13 will be $76 B by the time they exit welfare or retire. About three quarters of that cost is due to people who first received a benefit under the age of 20.”

Exactly, what disturbs me are the number of people out there that think the ( any ) Government owes them a living. ''We need more funding, we need more funding'' ad infinitum. Well get out and earn the bloody money just like any self respecting person with a work ethic has to!!!!!! Most of us werent born with silver spoons in our mouths, we have to work hard at learning our vocations and do the hard yards.

If all the money that is continually being paid into revolving door treaty settlements ( with continual revisitations and top ups ad infinitum ) was instead redirected at retiring national debt and focused into enterprise and industry that is productive ( rather than speculative ) we would be a lot better off, AS ONE colour blind nation.

It is a lie that we are doing what we are doing. We could be as wealthy as Norway if we worked at it.

[mashman]

No. They paid others for services and material. They also paid for the infrastructure required for production of their goods/services. In fact they paid several times for that infrastructure, and still haven't got what they paid for.

So the free market that would make commerce fair wouldn't work because the market would dictate that it wouldn't be free?


Ahhh of course. As long as you pay you're entitled to do whatever you like.

:killingme... that's a fuckin good one... a free market that would make commerce fair. You missed your calling. Your utopia sounds a little socialist man.


What you mean never know for sure, seems pretty fucking specific to not be backed up by traceable figures. So I'll just chalk it up to BS concocted by the plebs to pummel those who can't defend themselves.

Your choice.

[Robert Taylor]

So you can take less from those that have earned it and give more to those that really need it.

Buying middle NZ's votes costs the minorities at both ends far more than is reasonable.

Getting rid of MMP would be a solid step.

[mashman]

No, see, he's read an article on confirmation bias and it PROVES everyone else is selectively quoting shit. :facepalm:

I said it was a "statistic"... nothing to do with an article. Fucktard. But don't let your bias prove anything other than that... coz it can't.

[Robert Taylor]

Ahhh of course. As long as you pay you're entitled to do whatever you like.

:killingme... that's a fuckin good one... a free market that would make commerce fair. You missed your calling. Your utopia sounds a little socialist man.



Your choice.

Like anyone with a sense of fair play I am averse to big corporates that ride roughshod over everybody. NZ is ( was ) a country of small businesses and all of the niche companies that do so well could be thriving ( and employing people to do something truly productive ) if there was less inhibitive red tape and significantly lower taxes.

Mining of the sea bed and ramped up oil exploration is something we should be doing hell for leather as long as much of the profit is kept in NZ and creates local jobs

[bogan]

Your choice.

And as always, I'll choose provable figures over simplistic confirmation bias any day.


Getting rid of MMP would be a solid step.

fucking aye.

[mashman]

Like anyone with a sense of fair play I am averse to big corporates that ride roughshod over everybody. NZ is ( was ) a country of small businesses and all of the niche companies that do so well could be thriving ( and employing people to do something truly productive ) if there was less inhibitive red tape and significantly lower taxes.

Mining of the sea bed and ramped up oil exploration is something we should be doing hell for leather as long as much of the profit is kept in NZ and creates local jobs

I grew up in the city and in the country and remember small enterprises very well along with the attitude that went with them. It's all but dead and that death is here, living and breathing in NZ and I'm sorry to tell you that it is only going to get worse. Can you deny that given that you've seen it yourself (both in the UK and here) or at least must have seen it yourself in order to make the statement. The ideology isn't just knocking on the door any more, it's a fixture and it's kept in place by our politicians. The system used to vote them in won't matter. I'd be quite happy to ditch the govt if only to laugh as the free market gets raped my monopoly after monopoly even more quickly than it currently is. You must see this? If price point is everything to the consumer, which it pretty much is, then monopolies are an absolute guarantee irrespective of market structure/tariff/red tape/taxation etc...

I don't agree with mining the seabed and oil exploration for profit, more for the sensible use of the resources (primarily locally), IF we were absolutely hell bent on keeping as much of the profit in NZ as possible, then where are the training facilities/platform production facilities/training programs etc...? why aren't we borrowing to set up that type of infrastructure given that it's such a money spinner? I'm going to plump for monopoly here.


And as always, I'll choose provable figures over simplistic confirmation bias any day.

And using confirmation bias to deny the existence of such figures is pure genius... that and I wasn't stating that it was factual or indeed was I offering an opinion based on those figures in any way shape or form. You ladies need some new stories to whack off too.

[Ocean1]

Ahhh of course. As long as you pay you're entitled to do whatever you like.

What the fuck are you on about? Buying services and materials is immoral now?

And actually, if you pay the agreed price and don't break the law it's none of anyone else's fucking business what you do with it.

On the other hand if you've paid for fuck all then you're entitled to sweet fuck all.


:killingme... that's a fuckin good one... a free market that would make commerce fair. You missed your calling. Your utopia sounds a little socialist man.

You were the one that reckoned a free market wouldn't be free, idiot. Whereas in fact every other form of market involves theft, pure and simple.

[Ocean1]

It's all but dead and that death is here, living and breathing in NZ and I'm sorry to tell you that it is only going to get worse.

Where did you get that wee "fact" from? Over 80% of NZ's economy is produced by SMEs.

In spite of every impediment socialist fuckwits like you have put in their way over many decades.

[bogan]

And using confirmation bias to deny the existence of such figures is pure genius... that and I wasn't stating that it was factual or indeed was I offering an opinion based on those figures in any way shape or form. You ladies need some new stories to whack off too.

If figures can't be backed up, then they can't be used. That isn't confirmation bias, that's just logic, aka, the scientific method. Enjoy your whinging, ya fucking pleb.

[mashman]

What the fuck are you on about? Buying services and materials is immoral now?

And actually, if you pay the agreed price and don't break the law it's none of anyone else's fucking business what you do with it.

You were the one that reckoned a free market wouldn't be free, idiot. Whereas in fact every other form of market involves theft, pure and simple.

Depends on whether you class shit wages as immoral.

And there it is. Legality v's Morality and you believing there's a correlation. There's a difference between growing old and growing up old man.

Every market involves theft where claim is laid to that which is not yours.


Where did you get that wee "fact" from? Over 80% of NZ's economy is produced by SMEs.

In spite of every impediment socialist fuckwits like you have put in their way over many decades.

I've seen it happening. You've yet to have the pleasure of city's surrounded by mega malls havenchu. By all means bury your head in the sand, but they're cropping up all over the place and the SME's in the general vicinities are going under. Mind you, you probably don't shop in those sorts of places.

Socialist :killingme... moron.


If figures can't be backed up, then they can't be used. That isn't confirmation bias, that's just logic, aka, the scientific method. Enjoy your whinging, ya fucking pleb.

I verified 3 of the figures using documents from DWP and Parliament. Some of the DWP fraud is due to people having spent money that they had been overpaid by the govt. They want it back and therefore call it fraud when they can't get it back. Diddums. They should have software that works these days. You need better stories... or more likely, a little trust... man.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to submit a tax return, have it processed by IRD and then receive a return acknowledgement issued with a $0 balance using NZ's up to date software.

[bogan]

I verified 3 of the figures using documents from DWP and Parliament. Some of the DWP fraud is due to people having spent money that they had been overpaid by the govt. They want it back and therefore call it fraud when they can't get it back. Diddums. They should have software that works these days. You need better stories... or more likely, a little trust... man.

Have you verified the 300 people frauding 72 billion though? Interesting choice of words with the 'stories' I don't need fuck all stories, because stories are irrelevant, only facts and figures are relevant. And trust the million dollar hammer salesman? :killingme

[awayatc]

figures...........?

Numbers........?

Why...49% are below average.....

[Ocean1]

Depends on whether you class shit wages as immoral.

For shit product? The customer reckons it's perfectly reasonable.

Don't like it? Learn a proper trade. One for which customers are prepared to pay unshit prices.


Or not. Your choice.


And there it is. Legality v's Morality and you believing there's a correlation. There's a difference between growing old and growing up old man.

And what, in your world is the purpose of laws if not to define socially acceptable behaviour?


Every market involves theft where claim is laid to that which is not yours.

Correct. By definition a free market is the only one that doesn't involve theft.


I verified 3 of the figures using documents from DWP and Parliament. Some of the DWP fraud is due to people having spent money that they had been overpaid by the govt. They want it back and therefore call it fraud when they can't get it back. Diddums. They should have software that works these days. You need better stories... or more likely, a little trust... man.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to submit a tax return, have it processed by IRD and then receive a return acknowledgement issued with a $0 balance using NZ's up to date software.

Y'know, when I posted the comment about confirmation bias I thought about finding one of the many examples where your proof was so poorly understood as to actually demonstrate your opponent's case. I couldn't be fukd. Thanks for obliging with the perfect example.

[mashman]

Have you verified the 300 people frauding 72 billion though? Interesting choice of words with the 'stories' I don't need fuck all stories, because stories are irrelevant, only facts and figures are relevant. And trust the million dollar hammer salesman? :killingme

I found the 300. The tax evasion (FRAUD), figure I didn't find. those figures reported ranged from 70 billion to 120 billion so I'll happily settle for 70 billion. :laugh: not I Sherlock.

[bogan]

figures...........?

Numbers........?

Why...49% are below average.....

I think you'll find it's a lot higher than 49%... 50% would be below the median though :whistle:

[bogan]

I found the 300. The tax evasion (FRAUD), figure I didn't find. those figures reported ranged from 70 billion to 120 billion so I'll happily settle for 70 billion. :laugh: not I Sherlock.

Um, so if it was the fraud figure you didn't find, what were the other ones? Their earnings? :lol: nobody would accuse you of being sherlock...

[mashman]

For shit product? The customer reckons it's perfectly reasonable.

Don't like it? Learn a proper trade. One for which customers are prepared to pay unshit prices.

Not slave labour?

:killingme... priceless. Again I thank the great gods of marketing and advertising.



Or not. Your choice.

Some don't have a choice due to slave labour wages. the govt has to top 'em up too... or so I've been told.



And what, in your world is the purpose of laws if not to define socially acceptable behaviour?

There will be no laws! There will be morals.



Correct. By definition a free market is the only one that doesn't involve theft.

So the stuff you pay for, do you claim it as yours?



Y'know, when I posted the comment about confirmation bias I thought about finding one of the many examples where your proof was so poorly understood as to actually demonstrate your opponent's case. I couldn't be fukd. Thanks for obliging with the perfect example.

Oh I found most of the figures from official documents fucknuckle. So you can put confirmation to bed and perhaps, maybe just perhaps you'll stop making shit up where you have no evidence other than prejudice.

What example?

[mashman]

Um, so if it was the fraud figure you didn't find, what were the other ones? Their earnings? :lol: nobody would accuse you of being sherlock...

You can't be bothered to go back and reread the post eh. How Edlike. A simple thanks would have been fine.

[Ocean1]

Not slave labour?

Slaves don't get paid at all. Exactly what you want for everyone.


:killingme... priceless. Again I thank the great gods of marketing and advertising.

Meh, they may cause some few to buy shit they wouldn't otherwise buy, it's still their choice, you don't get to make that decision for them.


Some don't have a choice due to slave labour wages.

Bullshit.


There will be no laws! There will be morals.

Yours?

Big black dog upya.


So the stuff you pay for, do you claim it as yours?

Stuff I paid the seller an agreed price for?

Absolutely.


Oh I found most of the figures from official documents fucknuckle. So you can put confirmation to bed and perhaps, maybe just perhaps you'll stop making shit up where you have no evidence other than prejudice.

I have made up no shit whatsoever.


What example?

Read the post again, slowly.

It won't help you a jot but it'll keep you amused for a while.

[mashman]

Slaves don't get paid at all. Exactly what you want for everyone.

Of course they do. Gots to keep 'em in line massa. Gots to give them the illusion of freedom.



Meh, they may cause some few to buy shit they wouldn't otherwise buy, it's still their choice, you don't get to make that decision for them.

They're the low level shit jockey's.



Bullshit.

Have it your way.



Yours?

Big black dog upya.

Societies.

Racist.



Stuff I paid the seller an agreed price for?

Absolutely.

Ok.



I have made up no shit whatsoever.

Of course you did... you decided I had a confirmation bias towards those figures.



Read the post again, slowly.

It won't help you a jot but it'll keep you amused for a while.

Spell it out for me... or has your confirmation bias got the better of you?

[bogan]

You can't be bothered to go back and reread the post eh. How Edlike. A simple thanks would have been fine.

But your source is not in the post, speaking of Edlike things ofc...

And you just said you couldn't find where the 70 odd billion figure came from either. I mean it is a pretty stark comparison given that the rich defraud 70x more than the poor; well, I mean it would be if it was actually true; I guess confirmation bias doesn't place a large amount of importance on that later detail eh!

[mashman]

But your source is not in the post, speaking of Edlike things ofc...

And you just said you couldn't find where the 70 odd billion figure came from either. I mean it is a pretty stark comparison given that the rich defraud 70x more than the poor; well, I mean it would be if it was actually true; I guess confirmation bias doesn't place a large amount of importance on that later detail eh!

No it isn't... I gotz no problem being Edlike.

:yawn:... believe what you will.

[bogan]

No it isn't... I gotz no problem being Edlike.

:yawn:... believe what you will.

As always, I'll believe what the world shows me, as it would be foolish to believe my desires can outweigh the reality; so as usual, I'll beleive what is right. Tis a burden at times, but one I can bear for the sake of science!

[avgas]

I just found out indigo children weren't purple kids.
My disappointment was super-sized.

[mashman]

I just found out indigo children weren't purple kids.
My disappointment was super-sized.

Oh... in which case, and you may want to sit down for this, you might be disappointed by the lack of rainbow children should you go looking.

[Slorider]

he didn't use the word in a final take, whoever drew this to public attention needs a few niggas around to smadh their face in.
Absolutely not-grow up,violence is a substitute for brains-so sick of monkeys using threats of thuggery to resolve their issues

[PrincessBandit]

Oh... in which case, and you may want to sit down for this, you might be disappointed by the lack of rainbow children should you go looking.

Rainbow children? Isn't that what Brangelina has? Oh wait, that's their rainbow family - they do exist! they really do!!

[mashman]

Rainbow children? Isn't that what Brangelina has? Oh wait, that's their rainbow family - they do exist! they really do!!

But they don't have a green one. You can't have a rainbow without a green one. You're lying, stop it.

[avgas]

Oh... in which case, and you may want to sit down for this, you might be disappointed by the lack of rainbow children should you go looking.
http://www.kids-tv.co.uk/progs/images/rainbow.jpg

Nah I bet there are heaps. After all the UK celebs getting done for kiddie fiddling I am sure these guys will get busted soon.

[mashman]

Nah I bet there are heaps. After all the UK celebs getting done for kiddie fiddling I am sure these guys will get busted soon.

My money would be on the bear. Bet it's black too.

[Berries]

Pretty sure they will bungle the investigation.

[avgas]

hehe I especially love the yellow gimp.

[Banditbandit]

I wouldn't trust that old one in the floral shirt .. looks shifty to me .. shouldn't be left alone with children ..

[R650R]

I see J boy is in the news again... The conspiracist in me wonders if they are getting rid of him before electric cars go mainstream.
Despite all his horrid anti biker comments, he is the one fella that would stand up and say how crazy and more expensive electric cars are, not to mention those driverless ones also...

[bogan]

I see J boy is in the news again... The conspiracist in me wonders if they are getting rid of him before electric cars go mainstream.
Despite all his horrid anti biker comments, he is the one fella that would stand up and say how crazy and more expensive electric cars are, not to mention those driverless ones also...

*hipster conspiracist I think you mean; all the regular ones are still fixated on the anti-electric conspiracies. Damnit, still another 5 months until next season of TG, has he been on anything else worth watching?

[mashman]

He's been at the petrol again. Some of us plebs would be happy with a cheap wee electric car, ya know, the type that will last for 50+ years and only ever need a battery changed. Wonder what the cost trade off of that would be? Other than less cars being manufactured at some point in time, mebee.

[R650R]

He's been at the petrol again. Some of us plebs would be happy with a cheap wee electric car, ya know, the type that will last for 50+ years and only ever need a battery changed. Wonder what the cost trade off of that would be? Other than less cars being manufactured at some point in time, mebee.

Do you think that will be allowed in the age of planned obselesence... We used to have light bulbs that never burned out...
Once electric goes mainstream only 'approved' cars and battery systems will be allowed to be plugged into the grid. This will be enforced via smart meters.
The load on the electric grid will be massive so their will be restrictions on usage.
Once the battery/capacitor gets near its endlife it will trigger some kind of service light that you will have to pay and approved dealer to reset and change your battery to new one...
The corporates will be in control, travel and energy will never be 'cheap'....

[mashman]

Do you think that will be allowed in the age of planned obselesence... We used to have light bulbs that never burned out...
Once electric goes mainstream only 'approved' cars and battery systems will be allowed to be plugged into the grid. This will be enforced via smart meters.
The load on the electric grid will be massive so their will be restrictions on usage.
Once the battery/capacitor gets near its endlife it will trigger some kind of service light that you will have to pay and approved dealer to reset and change your battery to new one...
The corporates will be in control, travel and energy will never be 'cheap'....

:laugh: you paint a purdy pichure. All good points, but as these sorts of things don't happen overnight, so surely there's a plan to upgrade and supplement (where possible) the grid? 'specially now we've just gotten some money for 'em.

[bogan]

Do you think that will be allowed in the age of planned obselesence... We used to have light bulbs that never burned out...
Once electric goes mainstream only 'approved' cars and battery systems will be allowed to be plugged into the grid. This will be enforced via smart meters.
The load on the electric grid will be massive so their will be restrictions on usage.
Once the battery/capacitor gets near its endlife it will trigger some kind of service light that you will have to pay and approved dealer to reset and change your battery to new one...
The corporates will be in control, travel and energy will never be 'cheap'....

Planned or consumer driven? How many cars get the simple upkeep to keep em running for 30 years and 300,000km? How many of yours have? when things are this cheap it is no wonder so many resources are wasted.

[jonbuoy]

Do you think that will be allowed in the age of planned obselesence... We used to have light bulbs that never burned out...
Once electric goes mainstream only 'approved' cars and battery systems will be allowed to be plugged into the grid. This will be enforced via smart meters.
The load on the electric grid will be massive so their will be restrictions on usage.
Once the battery/capacitor gets near its endlife it will trigger some kind of service light that you will have to pay and approved dealer to reset and change your battery to new one...
The corporates will be in control, travel and energy will never be 'cheap'....

Which lightbulbs never burn out? My cars 45 years old - still going strong. Its up to you how long your car/bike lasts. A lot of people do engine swaps or resto-mod their cars. Some are even fitting them with electric motors and batteries.
You must live in a strange paranoid world - you seem to think every everyday event and company has some conspiracy attached to it. Out of curiosity what do you do for a living?

[avgas]

Once the battery/capacitor gets near its endlife it will trigger some kind of service light that you will have to pay and approved dealer to reset and change your battery to new one...
This fella still works...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATS-3
http://science.nasa.gov/missions/ats/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1967-111A

And he had Ni-Cads from the 60's.

As for the swapping of the batteries. Tesla are working on a "7 year swap" where you can just swap the batteries out for a % of what the car is worth every 7 years. If value drops - so does the cost of a swap out. Interestingly enough - there first prototypes are still good, 9 years on.

[jonbuoy]

This fella still works...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATS-3
http://science.nasa.gov/missions/ats/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1967-111A

And he had Ni-Cads from the 60's.

As for the swapping of the batteries. Tesla are working on a "7 year swap" where you can just swap the batteries out for a % of what the car is worth every 7 years. If value drops - so does the cost of a swap out. Interestingly enough - there first prototypes are still good, 9 years on.

Tesla S85 looks awesome. Only negative things I have read about them is the airconditioning being a little weak. I think it costs around $20,000 less in refill costs compared to petrol over 160,000KM period. A replacement battery pack is around $15,000 and should last 10 years although in 10 years time battery technology will have moved on even further.
The really nice thing is that you can punt around with the economy of a small car engine but still go from 0-100 in just over 5 seconds if you feel the urge.

[avgas]

Tesla S85 looks awesome. Only negative things I have read about them is the airconditioning being a little weak. I think it costs around $20,000 less in refill costs compared to petrol over 160,000KM period. A replacement battery pack is around $15,000 and should last 10 years although in 10 years time battery technology will have moved on even further. The really nice thing is that you can punt around with the economy of a small car engine but still go from 0-100 in just over 5 seconds if you feel the urge.
Having sat in one I can attest they are pure awesome. MASSIVE amounts of storage, 7 seats (back 2 are even relatively comfortable) and if you budget for 45 minute fill up (i.e. eat some lunch etc) then refueling isn't that bad either on long trips.

If you pay for the supercharger stations - you get unlimited refills for a flat fee ($2000) so if you don't mind taking a 20-45 min break every week or so to fill up, it will cost you nothing more in power. Most people spend lots more on 7 seater cars in terms of gas (I'm looking at a CX-9 which is going to cost me 2-4 times that a year).

They also have the P85 if you want to do 0-100 in under 5 seconds.

[FlangMasterJ]

I've been hooked on Tesla S vids lately. What a vehicle!

A clip of the auto battery replacement option the supercharger stations will be fitted with.

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