Road Bike Stunts

[Kittyhawk]

I may be stupid and crazy but I always ride within my limits. SO how do you go about doing wheelstands and other stunts on a bike? I went to the library but all I found was books on bike models.

[enigma51]

Buy a motocross bike and try it out on that first it will be less expensive.

[Zed]

I may be stupid and crazy but I always ride within my limits. SO how do you go about doing wheelstands and other stunts on a bike?Are you saying that wheelstands and other stunts are 'within' or 'without' your limits? Not sure what you're asking here? :sherlock:

[XP@]

For some real good how-to info on doing stunts try
http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/index.php?

I would try using a trials bike before a road bike.

If you are using your road bike then invest in some heavy duty body armour and add some havy duty engine bars to your bike (saves on plastic repair)

[aff-man]

There are many methods or idea's on how to do wheel satnds etc etc...

But for my 2c worth let me just say this. Stay within your comfort zone. Start small get confident see what the bike does and then go from there. If you leap in the deep end and just go hard you might find yourself in a spot of trouble. It also matters a little on your bike. I find that i can clutch the honda up quite high but it sucks when trying to do it under power. The gixxer on the other hand i am (albeit small) playing around with doing them under power in first and havn't even thought of clutching it yet but we'll see. Take it easy :woohoo: :woohoo:

[**R1**]

Just go hardys mate, wheelies and stoppys take some practice to get right, i do it all on my road bike, i havnt fucked one up yet, your more likly to be collected by a cage than crash out working on stunts.....murphy's law or some shit like that..

[Kittyhawk]

I used to do it on my old honda xr250 but that's a different bath tub of beer!
The feel on a sports bike is you have less control with the handle bars and there's alot more weight, I tried jumping a judder bar tonight (I know I shouldn't do it on my bike!) but I wanted to see the feel, and it felt like I was jumping with an elephant, I felt like I didn't get any air, but as for wheel stands, if I stuff it up and go side ways and crash it's going to be expensive to repair, do these bikes usually stay stable or do they actually wobble left and right then fall? I've already dropped the bike (first day I got it) in the driveway (dont ask how was an extreme blonde moment) and It took me and another mate to lift the bike, even then we struggled. So I'm in two minds.
also I want to stand up on the seat and ride along with one foot ont he handlebars, but I want to master the wheelstands first.
As for those front stopper things, How the F * * * do you do those with that kinda weight?~?

[SARGE]

there are a few great videos on stunting ( i carry a few at Colemans) .. one in particular features this blonde girl in the US and shes a BADASS !

one note though.. if you are worried about the cost of repairs on your bike due to stunting.. dont stunt.. the very nature of stunting says that you are going to scuff/ snap/bend/scrape/break shit.. tires, fork seals and steering head bearings are going to be ongoing expenses.

also.. LEARN HOW TO FALL.. seriously.. you come off while standing on your tank and land wrong.. th-th-th-thats all f-f--folks

as far as stoppies..those hurt worse than almost anything if you get them wrong.. ( faceplant plus bike up your ass= broken neck/ back).. practice on a smaller bike (dirtbike/ trailie) before moving onto anything with bulk

i get the occasional wheelie.. maybe a small stoppie.. my adrenaline comes from speed

[Zed]

The feel on a sports bike is you have less control with the handle bars and there's alot more weight, I tried jumping a judder bar tonight (I know I shouldn't do it on my bike!) but I wanted to see the feel, and it felt like I was jumping with an elephant, I felt like I didn't get any air, Hehe, you still have that dirtbike mentality. Sportsbikes don't jump juddarbars as you found out with the elephantitis effect!


...but as for wheel stands, if I stuff it up and go side ways and crash it's going to be expensive to repair, do these bikes usually stay stable or do they actually wobble left and right then fall?The bike will stay stable if you practise on straight roads and concentrate on doing it in a straight line. It's about balance and control once the front wheel is in the air and the more you do it the better you will get, the higher you will raise it and the longer you will keep it in the air, then there's the changing of gears which comes later...I had quite a bad wobble going with a wheelie I did on the weekend, managed to land it straight but it gave me a fright alright, had a few guys watching me too. :doh:


So I'm in two minds.
also I want to stand up on the seat and ride along with one foot ont he handlebars, but I want to master the wheelstands first.If you want to start doing that stuff you need to give yourself heaps of practise doing simple wheelstands first, then get off the road and go to the track or some abandoned carpark and break your neck! (jk) :nono:

[aff-man]

:devil2: Well i could see if your bike does wheel stands first aye :devil2: :devil2:

Just do little ones under power. Take it up to about 7k in forst then button off quickly and the quickly wack on the power. At first maybe not open full throttle but you're basically bunny hopping the bike. So you can give a tug on the handle bars but i found that the gixxer comes up really really fast if i do so i just plant my ass to get weight off the front end. Really wanna do the clutch thing on the gixxer but so far my feeble attemps have lead me to the conclusion that things happen a lot faster on the gixxer than the cbr. :devil2:

P.s. to any out there clutching it up in second on a 600. Any trick i should know about cause at the moment i am getting little height and feeling like i am giving the clutch a good reaming :violin: :violin:

[SPORK]

I had quite a bad wobble going with a wheelie I did on the weekend, managed to land it straight but it gave me a fright alright, had a few guys watching me too. :doh:

Hmm, I downloaded a video of two Blackbird riders learning to wheelie yesterday. They weren't very good at the start, but got better. Thankfully none hit the deck.

[Zed]

Hmm, I downloaded a video of two Blackbird riders learning to wheelie yesterday. They weren't very good at the start, but got better. Thankfully none hit the deck.Have you got a link to that bud?

[SPORK]

Have you got a link to that bud?
http://www.bikepics.com/videos/000002/

I think that's it. :wari: (Everyone's forgot about the poor Wari emoticon!)

[The_Dover]

Yup, I was about 50m off Zed's tail when he wobbled left a little, then right a little more at a decent height before putting it back down safely. Believe me, that is a BIG bike to see wobbling in front of you!!

But that man does love his one wheeled action........and I've only been out with him once..

[hondacmx450]

you r all mad hahahahaha i like it keep it up for as long as you can but you cant out run them on one you need two on the ground heheheheeh

[limbimtimwim]

So I'm in two minds. also I want to stand up on the seat and ride along with one foot ont he handlebars, but I want to master the wheelstands first.
Holy crap you are nuts.

Having said that, I like this going fast over this particular speed hump, getting air, tapping my heels together while doing a hand stand on the bars on the way home...

I'm giving you ideas...

[Zed]

But that man does love his one wheeled action........and I've only been out with him once..Hehe, you just caught me on a 'wheelie' frisky day! :banana:

[aff-man]

Hehe, you just caught me on a 'wheelie' frisky day! :banana:

Name a day when you wern't "wheelie frisky" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

P.s. did you do second gear wheelies on the cbr600??

[mstriumph]

link doesn't seem to be workin?
http://www.bikepics.com/videos/000002/

I think that's it. :wari: (Everyone's forgot about the poor Wari emoticon!)

[TwoSeven]

Anyone can pop a wheelie, so its not really considered a stunt.

Still, you have to learn the basics before doing the fancy stuff. So you need to work out the saftey procedure, and basic skills.

Yes, you need to wear the saftey kit (basically MX kit is what i'd call a minimum because its designed to take that sort of bashing), and you need a special bike - although for learning I suggest a dirt bike or old dunger that can be bent a busted).

The hardest of all the stunts to do is the most basic one you need to learn before all others. Basically, balance on the bike without moving it or putting your feet down for about 2 mins. If you cant master that simple one, dont bother with the rest because they are pretty much all built on it.

If you are really serious on stunting then basically the technical name for the sport is called 'motorcycle trials'. You'll note the specially designed bikes. All the tricks done by the sports bike dudes on the videos are just basic skills for trials riders (any trials rider will tell you that) - they just make it look showy and impressive for the punters.

There is also no speed involved in stunting - just in case you thought there was - 99% of the tricks involve either a stationary bike or moving about 10mph. Its one of the reasons why no-one uses road bikes (even the guys you see at race tracks use specially designed bikes).

Remember its safety, safety, safety, technique.

However, if all you want to do is tricks on a road bike, then tender yourself to the prat on wheels club, because thats all those people are.

Just my opinion.

[**R1**]

you r all mad hahahahaha i like it keep it up for as long as you can but you cant out run them on one you need two on the ground heheheheehWhy not???

[Zed]

Anyone can pop a wheelie, so its not really considered a stunt.LOL :rofl: , like you say T7 - just your opinion.

[Zed]

P.s. did you do second gear wheelies on the cbr600??Yes, those were the predominant ones I did. Quite easy to get up and can hold for much longer time/distance.

[aff-man]

Yes, those were the predominant ones I did. Quite easy to get up and can hold for much longer time/distance.

So how did you do it. DO you really have to grab a handfull of revs cause i have been trying it on the gixxer and all i get are like 30-50cm wheelies and it feels like i am really dumping the clutch??????

[Zed]

So how did you do it.Ahhh the often asked question...well aff-man, you've read and heard all about the different wheelie techniques so I have no news for you! Different bikes are easier/harder to wheelie so the amount of clutch & throttle you need may be more or less, the key is finding what works well with your bike and practising practising practising, you need to get to a stage where you can *feel* the wheelie with your biker senses rather than just dumping the clutch and flicking the wrist hoping it comes up. :shit:

[loosebruce]

Aff, when using the clutch. On a 600 pretty much pin the throttle to the stop, shift ya weight backwards, give it some clutch (keep it pinned the whole time eh) if comes up 50cm, give it a bit more clutch, comes up higher, but still dropping even with throttle pinned, need more clutch, good speed range to be around 70-100kph 2nd gear.
As you get closer and closer to balance point and when you feel you are gonna flip it back off slightly, dont just shut it off, it's all practice bro, keep at it and it'll come to ya.
you can even try given it a tug on the bars when you slip the clutch, cant hurt. (dont hold me to that).

But yeah every bike is different, i got off my 1000cc which will pull up on command anywhere from 0-170kph, onto buggys 04 636, bit off clutch and it came up nice n smooth (nice bike to pull a wheelie on to be honest), then onto Swannys YZF750, with a real tall first gear and a clutch that had seen better days it took some fair amount of abuse to get up, basically in 1st gear 60-70kph and a huge dump on the clutch saw it catching some air eventully.
The TLS is a great bike to practice on, for either clutch or off the throttle wheelies, they crash pretty sweet too...................

[aff-man]

Aff, when using the clutch. On a 600 pretty much pin the throttle to the stop, shift ya weight backwards, give it some clutch (keep it pinned the whole time eh) if comes up 50cm, give it a bit more clutch, comes up higher, but still dropping even with throttle pinned, need more clutch, good speed range to be around 70-100kph 2nd gear.
As you get closer and closer to balance point and when you feel you are gonna flip it back off slightly, dont just shut it off, it's all practice bro, keep at it and it'll come to ya.
you can even try given it a tug on the bars when you slip the clutch, cant hurt. (dont hold me to that).

But yeah every bike is different, i got off my 1000cc which will pull up on command anywhere from 0-170kph, onto buggys 04 636, bit off clutch and it came up nice n smooth (nice bike to pull a wheelie on to be honest), then onto Swannys YZF750, with a real tall first gear and a clutch that had seen better days it took some fair amount of abuse to get up, basically in 1st gear 60-70kph and a huge dump on the clutch saw it catching some air eventully.
The TLS is a great bike to practice on, for either clutch or off the throttle wheelies, they crash pretty sweet too...................

Cheers man i will try that. I am getting better with the power wheelies in first but thins still happen very very fast so I really want to get into secong gear ones. I'll just have to practice more :devil2: :devil2:
p.s. a little tug on the bars when you "jump" it up in first make it come up a lot quicker :rofl: :rofl:

[loosebruce]

Cheers man i will try that. I am getting better with the power wheelies in first but thins still happen very very fast so I really want to get into secong gear ones. I'll just have to practice more :devil2: :devil2:


I started out doing 1st gear power wheelies, but found with a bit of speed on in 2nd it became alot easier, once you get the hang of it, 1st gear is just natural, dont stress about changing gears either when starting out, you can go a long way still in 2nd gear.
The whole it happens too fast is just getting used to it same for me and lots of others out there, just keep practicing and you'll find it happens slower and slower.

[texmo]

I have seen a guy who can pull a wheelie on a super150 like 6hp or sume shit and keep it up because he has uber balance and change gears into 4th and do all of the senic drive on one wheeli on a 1980's scooter....

[SPman]

link doesn't seem to be workin?
Click on the photo :chase:

[larriken]

Anyone can pop a wheelie, so its not really considered a stunt.

Still, you have to learn the basics before doing the fancy stuff. So you need to work out the saftey procedure, and basic skills.

Yes, you need to wear the saftey kit (basically MX kit is what i'd call a minimum because its designed to take that sort of bashing), and you need a special bike - although for learning I suggest a dirt bike or old dunger that can be bent a busted).

The hardest of all the stunts to do is the most basic one you need to learn before all others. Basically, balance on the bike without moving it or putting your feet down for about 2 mins. If you cant master that simple one, dont bother with the rest because they are pretty much all built on it.

If you are really serious on stunting then basically the technical name for the sport is called 'motorcycle trials'. You'll note the specially designed bikes. All the tricks done by the sports bike dudes on the videos are just basic skills for trials riders (any trials rider will tell you that) - they just make it look showy and impressive for the punters.

There is also no speed involved in stunting - just in case you thought there was - 99% of the tricks involve either a stationary bike or moving about 10mph. Its one of the reasons why no-one uses road bikes (even the guys you see at race tracks use specially designed bikes).

Remember its safety, safety, safety, technique.

However, if all you want to do is tricks on a road bike, then tender yourself to the prat on wheels club, because thats all those people are.

Just my opinion.

Sorry to butt in, but mate..............c'mon.

A.) Trials riding is not stunt riding, but a trials rider can perform as a stunt rider. If you want to be pedantic about it.

B.) Stunt riding using modern road bikes is becoming huge in the States, Europe. Just cos it's not here in a big way doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

C.) Specially designed bikes? If you feel that way inclined, but for road bike stunting.........mate, I have mates that get paid to put on stunt riding shows using bog stock road bikes! Nothing specially designed about that.

D.) Unfortunately, I think you really just missed the point of what was being asked. Oh well, I'm going back to my prat on wheels club meeting! :Punk:

[DEATH_INC.]

First,Affman you need to drop the gearing,go up 3 or 4 on the rear at least(or down 1 on the front if you can find one)those srad 600's are pretty tall geared. I've done 'em on bart's 600....you wanna be going about 110-120 then pull the clutch and redline it,give her a tug on the front as you drop the clutch and she'll come up no probs.But if you drop the gearing it'll be much easier.
2seven,trials is a completely different kettle of fish.Not even slightly the same.
Kittyhawk,come for a ride with Myself and Loosebruce,we'll teach you what we can,it's much easier to do face to face.(away from all the bleaters here)
And road bikes do jump OK,I usta love getting some fairly big air off the railcrossing in new lynn (portage rd?)...

[TwoSeven]

Sorry to butt in, but mate..............c'mon.

A.) Trials riding is not stunt riding, but a trials rider can perform as a stunt rider. If you want to be pedantic about it.

B.) Stunt riding using modern road bikes is becoming huge in the States, Europe. Just cos it's not here in a big way doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

C.) Specially designed bikes? If you feel that way inclined, but for road bike stunting.........mate, I have mates that get paid to put on stunt riding shows using bog stock road bikes! Nothing specially designed about that.

D.) Unfortunately, I think you really just missed the point of what was being asked. Oh well, I'm going back to my prat on wheels club meeting! :Punk:

What you describe has the technical name 'show boating'. Its not stunts. Evil Knievel did stunts, dave osbourne did stunts. A tard on a bike pulling wheelies, stoppies, or hanging off the back is showboating.

[Storm]

And these "tards" have more than likely paid thier crashing dues just as much as Evil and Dave did. Just because its not your thing, dont dump all over it

[Kittyhawk]

That's cool I'd like to learn while on the wheels. It's probably eaiser that way but reading everyone's opinions show how many different gearing and weight shift styles there are. I guess it comes down to personal prefrence for which bike and what's easiest or most comfortable for that particular bike.

[Phenoix]

All this talk has gotten me interested now.
You've talked bout doing wheelies on 600's
But what are the chance of doing it on a ZXR250, lots of weight, not much power.
Would be interesting to know which one its easier on

[aff-man]

First,Affman you need to drop the gearing,go up 3 or 4 on the rear at least(or down 1 on the front if you can find one)those srad 600's are pretty tall geared. I've done 'em on bart's 600....you wanna be going about 110-120 then pull the clutch and redline it,give her a tug on the front as you drop the clutch and she'll come up no probs.But if you drop the gearing it'll be much easier.
2seven,trials is a completely different kettle of fish.Not even slightly the same.
Kittyhawk,come for a ride with Myself and Loosebruce,we'll teach you what we can,it's much easier to do face to face.(away from all the bleaters here)
And road bikes do jump OK,I usta love getting some fairly big air off the railcrossing in new lynn (portage rd?)...

Sweet i'll see what i can get. Can i come along too??

[Mattyc]

Buy a motocross bike and try it out on that first it will be less expensive.

Thats about the most logical thing, i learnt stoppies a few years ago on mountain bike, then i went to my KTM sx250, i have them fairly down pat after a couple of years, but i want to put some kms on the zx9r before i do them on it.

Just the other weekend i was riding my Mrs's Cr80bw and managed to go right over, what Sarge is saying is spot on - LEARN HOW TO FALL, i normally come off stoppies to the side, the bike normally goes right over forwards

Also this probably doesn't have to be said but some crash knobs would come in real handy when trying anything like stoppies..

[larriken]

What you describe has the technical name 'show boating'. Its not stunts. Evil Knievel did stunts, dave osbourne did stunts. A tard on a bike pulling wheelies, stoppies, or hanging off the back is showboating.

Bwahahaha. I'm pretty certain that even ol' Evil himself would say that he's showboating! Isn't that the whole point? To be honest, I'm pretty certain that you have no idea what modern day stunting is all about. One thing for certain though, the top guys like A.C Farius etc are far more technical riders than Dave Osbourne. Stop being so narrow minded and check it out, you might be surprised!

Mark from MotoPsychos in the photo.

[DEATH_INC.]

All this talk has gotten me interested now.
You've talked bout doing wheelies on 600's
But what are the chance of doing it on a ZXR250, lots of weight, not much power.
Would be interesting to know which one its easier on
Much easier to wheelie on a 6hundy,just cause it comes up easy and you got time to settle it,a zxr250 can do it(at least bruces can :devil2:)but you gotta get it right straight off the ground.Stoppies and stuff though are about the same,though it's easier to bail off the 250.
If you're not sure of yourself get/make a crashcage,it'll save the sides of the bike a fair bit(at lower speeds anyhoo),and a 12 bar may help if you go right over.
Good gear is a necessity,knee armour,good gloves (ask bruce)and elbow armour and shoulder armour at least.Go for hard armour too,forget all the crap you hear about memory armour,the hard stuff is what you need.Full mx protectors would be good as it's impact you're protecting against more than anything.A back protector can't hurt,though you rarely fall on yer back doing wheelies/stoppies.

[DEATH_INC.]

Buy a motocross bike and try it out on that first it will be less expensive.
I'm not so sure about this ,sprotbikes are so different to ride that most of my mx experience actually works against me on the gixx.You have to learn all over again and I think a 600+ sprotbike is actually easier..... :hitcher:

[texmo]

I can pull a wheelie on a 70cc auto scooter with ease, so you must be able to do it on a zxr250

[loosebruce]

And road bikes do jump OK,I usta love getting some fairly big air off the railcrossing in new lynn (portage rd?)...

Fuck yea thats a cool jump, oh the pain when you get it wrong and your manhood meets the tank, shed a few tears in my helmet after that one.

Nice pic larriken, i've got so many vids from the guys in the states, just plain amzing stuff, showboating, who said that, fuck off thats some serious skill, check the rear sprocket out, got to get me one of those for the thousand, and the pressure in the rear tyre, some thought goes into set up on these bikes, got to keep practicing myself.

[larriken]

Fuck yea thats a cool jump, oh the pain when you get it wrong and your manhood meets the tank, shed a few tears in my helmet after that one.

Nice pic larriken, i've got so many vids from the guys in the states, just plain amzing stuff, showboating, who said that, fuck off thats some serious skill, check the rear sprocket out, got to get me one of those for the thousand, and the pressure in the rear tyre, some thought goes into set up on these bikes, got to keep practicing myself.

Hehe, here's the sprocket I've got on my Blade. It's also one down on the front.

[loosebruce]

Hehe, here's the sprocket I've got on my Blade. It's also one down on the front.

Nice one man, cant even imagine the differnce it would make to a bike, must try it me thinks.