What are the top sports commuters?

[numbersixteen16]

What would be your pick for the following requirements:
Sports bike
6k or less
A late model (ie less than 6 years)
Commuting on it so Im not after the supersports (r6, cbr600 etc)

Bikes that come to mind are the Hyosung gt650, Suzuki SV650, Honda CBR250, and the new Hyosung X4

Plan on getting a superbike some stage next year but would still need a bike to get around on

[R650R]

Its not what you got its how you ride it.
My trusty ol 100,000km GSXR750 got commuted Napier to Hastings daily in 6am frosts and later the motorway run from Mt Wgtn to Manukau daily in all weather with no problems.
If it comes down to anything something with bigger well positioned indicators and good mirrors would be the only real advantages to be had. Oh and underseat raincoat storage

[BuzzardNZ]

If I was in the market for a sporty commuter, I'd be looking at the Kawasaki ER-6f

[Oakie]

What I've got does the job pretty well. GSR600. Detuned GSXR600 donk with a comfortable upright seating position. Sporty enough to do dumb shit but still a 'gentlemens bike'. I'd agree with the ER-6f too though. it was my second choice when buying a few months back.

[tigertim20]

a thrid vote here for the Er6f

[slofox]

What would be your pick for the following requirements:
Sports bike
6k or less
A late model (ie less than 6 years)
Commuting on it so Im not after the supersports (r6, cbr600 etc)

Bikes that come to mind are the Hyosung gt650, Suzuki SV650, Honda CBR250, and the new Hyosung X4

Plan on getting a superbike some stage next year but would still need a bike to get around on

I had an SV650. Now I have a GSX-R600. I'd actually prefer the gixxer for round town.

[Erelyes]

++ ER6F.

Consider GS500F (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-728579930.htm)as well, bit more sedate.

Or you *may* if you're really really lucky find a Ninja 300 for $6k, but it'll probably have some scrapes. Better to budget an extra $1-1.5k for a decent one (there will probably be more depreciation on it than the above tho)

[ducatilover]

a thrid vote here for the Er6f

Fourth vote.

SVs are budget, the rest aren't sporty at all. ER6s are great little bikes.
I, myself, would get something with at least 100hp, then double it

[tigertim20]

Fourth vote.

SVs are budget, the rest aren't sporty at all. ER6s are great little bikes.
I, myself, would get something with at least 100hp, then double it, then loop it
:Punk: what ever happened to that project, you finish it yet?

[nodrog]

gsxr 1000 k6

[ducatilover]

:Punk: what ever happened to that project, you finish it yet?

Never finished.
:(
will have boost soon enough though

[nzspokes]

Bikes that come to mind are the Hyosung gt650,

Why would that come to mind.:eek5:

[Drew]

ER6 is a budget piece of shit, just the same as the SV. Get rust on forks and shit.

So don't let build quality influence you between them

[Icemaestro]

Not sure where you get that from - saw a 2006 er6 recently with 120000km, no rust anywhere at all. Maybe due to not being looked after?


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[Drew]

Not sure where you get that from - saw a 2006 er6 recently with 120000km, no rust anywhere at all. Maybe due to not being looked after?


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The one my wife had. Was perhaps a little neglected, but no worse than any of our other bikes.

The SV will be mint and reliable forever too, when looked after.

[vifferman]

... 2001 VFR800. Yes, it's valued at less than $6k, but you can't have it.:bleh:
I need it to commute on every day.

[Ocean1]

If I was in the market for a sporty commuter, I'd be looking at the Kawasaki ER-6f


'Er indoors had one. Couple of bits of trim looked a bit "economy" but it was nice to ride and never gave us an ounce of trouble. Saw it a couple of weeks ago in town, still looks good.

I actually organised an ER6n for her, but she spat the dummy, wanted one with a "proper" body. :facepalm:

[ducatilover]

ER6 is a budget piece of shit, just the same as the SV. Get rust on forks and shit.

So don't let build quality influence you between them Yeah but a slightly more modern cheap shitter <_< I reckon the ER6 is a much nicer bike (just a bit faggy looking, like any modern Kawasaki

[cheshirecat]

94 VFR 750, gear driven cams etc etc etc. But you can't have mine either

[haydes55]

Yamaha FZ6
Hornet of any size
Bandit.... Again pick a size

Nakeds are all good.

What about motards? Urban commuting is a breeze and good fun.

[Urano]

+1 for the er6f
had it.
lovable engine, horrible rear shock, passable fork, passable brakesys (get it with abs man!), pretty comfy, little heavy, better finishing than others (yamaha diversion is awful on this side).
good value for the bike. :niceone:

in second place i'd consider the new honda cbr650f, which is something like the il4c version of the kawa er6f.

i've always had a riding style better suited for 3 or 4c., mind yours...

[mulletman]

Easy my 07 SV1000N that ive got for sale :yes:

[ducatilover]

Easy my 07 SV1000N that ive got for sale :yes:

He wants a commuter, not a lorry :bleh:

The Hornet/Bandit idea is pretty good. Bandits are cheap and the 600/1200 are bloody solid old tanks. The 1200s go okay too (600s are meh)
Or as someone else said a motard. Motards are boss

[Banditbandit]

This one ... a Suzuki GSX650F

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-732435948.htm

I've been commuting on a GSF650 (real Bandit) for seven years - it's never let me down, it's quick enough to be fun (and scare the shit out of some sports bike riders who really can't ... )

[ducatilover]

This one ... a Suzuki GSX650F

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-732435948.htm

I've been commuting on a GSF650 (real Bandit) for seven years - it's never let me down, it's quick enough to be fun (and scare the shit out of some sports bike riders who really can't ... )

They are not quick :bleh:

[Edbear]

They are not quick :bleh:

Depends on what you are used to. My old GSX600F was a great road bike, even two up. 80hp was plenty enough to get you in trouble and I saw 210 on the clock, still gaining. But I was comparing it to the last two bigger road bikes I owned, a 1980 XS750 Special and the 1972 Suzuki T500.

Personally, I like the 650 and would have one should I be able to ride again.

[ducatilover]

Depends on what you are used to. My old GSX600F was a great road bike, even two up. 80hp was plenty enough to get you in trouble and I saw 210 on the clock, still gaining. But I was comparing it to the last two bigger road bikes I owned, a 1980 XS750 Special and the 1972 Suzuki T500.

Personally, I like the 650 and would have one should I be able to ride again.

A bike that wasn't quick for it's size when it came out isn't quick now.
It's quick compared to my GN that doesn't run I spose. But my shitty old ZX would have it for brekky.
Mind you, I also own the smallest of Bandits :laugh:

[Edbear]

A bike that wasn't quick for it's size when it came out isn't quick now.
It's quick compared to my GN that doesn't run I spose. But my shitty old ZX would have it for brekky.
Mind you, I also own the smallest of Bandits :laugh:

True, but these bikes weren't designed to be quick for their size, they were designed to be a more comfortable road bike with enough real world performance to satisfy the rider who didn't want to sacrifice comfort and convenience for ultimate performance. So the 600's gave you the option of cutting edge performance or stylish road bike.

It's like me and my Kizashi. My mate has a 300kw GTS ute and he reckons his starter motor has more grunt than my engine. But the Suzuki hits 205km/h, apparently, and is very fast point to point. Horses for courses, and if I had owned a litre bike I would probably be of similar opinion to you.

[ducatilover]

True, but these bikes weren't designed to be quick for their size, they were designed to be a more comfortable road bike with enough real world performance to satisfy the rider who didn't want to sacrifice comfort and convenience for ultimate performance. So the 600's gave you the option of cutting edge performance or stylish road bike.

It's like me and my Kizashi. My mate has a 300kw GTS ute and he reckons his starter motor has more grunt than my engine. But the Suzuki hits 205km/h, apparently, and is very fast point to point. Horses for courses, and if I had owned a litre bike I would probably be of similar opinion to you.

So, it was a quick bike a few posts ago, but now it isn't? The B6 was designed for people who wanted all the girth and bigness of a B12 without the distinct disadvatage of torque, performance, or moderate HP numbers. There never was anything cutting edge about the 600, very old tech, very budget commuter/touring bike, not a sports bike in any sense, they're heavy, not fast and handle beige.

Your Kizashi is an average sedan, that will be outperformed by a 90's BMW 328i. Which, was a peppy sedan in its day, but not really a sports sedan (IE, an M3, C36 AMG)
And your mate's 300kw HSV will make fuck all torque for its engine size, you can use that as an argument of efficiency. (they never made a GTS ute, 'twas sedan and coupe only. 300kw was VT2 and VX models)

Let's start the "my xxxx can keep up with sportsbikes" argument.

And ruin this thread, I have the week off and nothing to do.

[bogan]

I too like putting the word sports in front of things I own to make them sound cooler.

Sports van, sports shoes, naked sports bike (naked in front of sports makes it sound double cool). I would call my welder a sports welder, but it is kinda close to spot welder, so maybe not.

Just get a KTM690 and skip work :bleh:


I have the week off and nothing to do.

Ahem, you can sports polish my sports-frame...

[Vinz0r]

Just get a 600 super-sport. I happen to know of a great one being sold around your price range..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-732229289.htm

(there may be an element of bias in this recommendation..)

[ducatilover]

Ahem, you can sports polish my sports-frame...

:lol: I'm away from home, so no sportsframe polishing

I agree with the KTM comment

[Edbear]

So, it was a quick bike a few posts ago, but now it isn't? The B6 was designed for people who wanted all the girth and bigness of a B12 without the distinct disadvatage of torque, performance, or moderate HP numbers. There never was anything cutting edge about the 600, very old tech, very budget commuter/touring bike, not a sports bike in any sense, they're heavy, not fast and handle beige.

Your Kizashi is an average sedan, that will be outperformed by a 90's BMW 328i. Which, was a peppy sedan in its day, but not really a sports sedan (IE, an M3, C36 AMG)
And your mate's 300kw HSV will make fuck all torque for its engine size, you can use that as an argument of efficiency. (they never made a GTS ute, 'twas sedan and coupe only. 300kw was VT2 and VX models)

Let's start the "my xxxx can keep up with sportsbikes" argument.

And ruin this thread, I have the week off and nothing to do.

I've just flicked him an email to ask the exact model. I know it was only one of two manual's produced and his is the only one in NZ the other remained in Aus.

[ducatilover]

I've just flicked him an email to ask the exact model. I know it was only one of two manual's produced and his is the only one in NZ the other remained in Aus.

Is a shorai a sport battery?

If it's a ute, it's a Maloo, Maloo R8, or Walkinshaw Maloo, but none of 'em had 300kw. 255, 265, 285, 297, 307, 317 etc etc and 476-500kw (depending on Walkinshaw package), 300kw HSV models were, VT2 GTS, VT2 SV99, VX GTS and GTS-R, GTS Coupe.

[Edbear]

Is a shorai a sport battery?

If it's a ute, it's a Maloo, Maloo R8, or Walkinshaw Maloo, but none of 'em had 300kw. 255, 265, 285, 297, 317 and 476-500kw (depending on Walkinshaw package), 300kw HSV models were, VT2 GTS, VT2 SV99, VX GTS and GTS-R, GTS Coupe.

I think it's 317kw but it's not called the Maloo, I think it's called an HSV GTS and it has the Pontiac front end on it. There was a limited run and most were sedans, all but a very few were auto and only two manual utes. It was to get rid of the remaining Pontiac noses, I think.

[Edbear]

Is a shorai a sport battery? .

A POWERsport battery! :msn-wink:

[Edbear]

Back on topic...

How about the Burger 650? :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

They are not quick :bleh:

I didn't say "fast" ..



Let's start the "my xxxx can keep up with sportsbikes" argument.



I didn't say that either - I said sports bike riders (who aren't always as good as they think) .. the GSF650 or GSX650 won't go near a 600 sport bike with a good rider on board .. I would not even try ...
I'm saying the bike has been fucking fun for the passed seven years .. I've sat on the road at between 180 and 190 klicks for longer periods of time .. I've seen 217 on the clock ... I'd put it up against at ER or an SV any day ...

they are worth a look ..

[ducatilover]

I think it's 317kw but it's not called the Maloo, I think it's called an HSV GTS and it has the Pontiac front end on it. There was a limited run and most were sedans, all but a very few were auto and only two manual utes. It was to get rid of the remaining Pontiac noses, I think.
GXP Maloo ;) something like 350 utes and 400 sedans were made

A POWERsport battery! :msn-wink: I knew it, ya cheeky plonker.


Back on topic...

How about the Burger 650? :rolleyes: Those are very sporty. I saw one pulling around 160km/h once, was quite the interesting sight

[ducatilover]

I didn't say "fast" ..



I didn't say that either - I said sports bike riders (who aren't always as good as they think) .. the GSF650 or GSX650 won't go near a 600 sport bike with a good rider on board .. I would not even try ...
I could keep up with a slow sport bike rider in Edbear's Suzuki.

[Banditbandit]

I could keep up with a slow sport bike rider in Edbear's Suzuki.

Fuck me .. if they are that slow what are they doing on a sprots bike???

[ducatilover]

Fuck me .. if they are that slow what are they doing on a sprots bike???

Personal choice, makes us have so many nice bikes available, even boring ones like Bandit 600s :bleh:

[Banditbandit]

Personal choice, makes us have so many nice bikes available, even boring ones like Bandit 600s :bleh:

Yeah .. 'cept my GSF650N is a little bit quicker than a 600 Bandit (I know - a mate nearly killed himself when we were racing ... he was on the 600)

[ducatilover]

Yeah .. 'cept my GSF650N is a little bit quicker than a 600 Bandit (I know - a mate nearly killed himself when we were racing ... he was on the 600)

Not by fuck all though, they're both incredibly basic and cheap bikes. They made the FZ6S look like a sporty bike :lol: which was a commuter with a hint of sporty.

[willytheekid]

What "IS" the top sports tourer for under 6k?

The VFR range...unlike the rest being bandied around...they come with nearly 10yrs of "actual" awards for being one of the best sport tourer's ever made ;)

...and I can confirm...they really ARE that good! :drool: (not that Im biased or anything lol...but it truly is one of the best bike's Ive ever owned as far as everyday usability is concerned)

ps...bit surprised no-one has mentioned suzuki's RF900's, again, one of the best all rounders ever made, and ALOT of bike for your money (thats my call OP...VFR or RF, reliable, versatile and lots of "real world" usability)

[mulletman]

He wants a commuter, not a lorry :bleh:



:Oi: Cheeky fukka , them other 4 banger zookis ARE lorrys compared to the SV, the instant grunt of the VTwin makes
for excellent passing and commuting :woohoo:

[BuzzardNZ]

:Oi: Cheeky fukka , them other 4 banger zookis ARE lorrys compared to the SV, the instant grunt of the VTwin makes
for excellent passing and commuting :woohoo:

The crappy fuel economy is not so good for commuting though :innocent: I think the 4 bangers have it over us on that one!

[Edbear]

I could keep up with a slow sport bike rider in Edbear's Suzuki.

Been there, done that, and also outpaced a couple of youngsters in their Commodore on the way to Whangamata...

I agree with the VFR, too.

[TheDemonLord]

For what it is worth - the GSX650f and its LAMS cousin - the GSX650FU are what I am looking at getting for my commuter bike (until I hit 35 - then its time for a 'Busa)

[ducatilover]

:Oi: Cheeky fukka , them other 4 banger zookis ARE lorrys compared to the SV, the instant grunt of the VTwin makes
for excellent passing and commuting :woohoo: Yeah, it is a bit of a different ball park now, I think an SV thou would be a nice wee commuter, if it had another 50hp :bleh:


The crappy fuel economy is not so good for commuting though :innocent: I think the 4 bangers have it over us on that one!
Economy is for bitches.

For what it is worth - the GSX650f and its LAMS cousin - the GSX650FU are what I am looking at getting for my commuter bike (until I hit 35 - then its time for a 'Busa)
Why spend such big coin on a commuter bike that is so boring?

[TheDemonLord]

Why spend such big coin on a commuter bike that is so boring?

Cause my 250 hornet is old and parts are hard to find, I took a GSX650FU for a test and it was plenty fun for me - I don't think my wrists would appreciate an hour long ride on a GSXR600

That and the Seat on the GSX650FU was heaven on my Butt Cheeks

[roy.nz]

60km round trip from glenfield on my GSXR750 everyday no matter the weather.

[ducatilover]

Cause my 250 hornet is old and parts are hard to find, I took a GSX650FU for a test and it was plenty fun for me - I don't think my wrists would appreciate an hour long ride on a GSXR600

That and the Seat on the GSX650FU was heaven on my Butt Cheeks

The Hornet is easy to get parts for
It's still a significant amount of money to put in to something that doesn't do anything particularly well.
Unless you're buying an older second hand one?

Heavenly seat eh? Well, better buy it then ;)


Wait, I'll give you fuck all for the Hornet because it's so old and hard to get bits for (being the most common Honda 250 in NZ)

[f2dz]

I would say it depends if you just want it only for commuting or not.

If I only wanted a bike for commuting I would probably get another Ninja 250 or a 300. Fuel economy on smaller bikes is just too good to pass up, for me.

If you want a bike for commuting plus weekends though, like others have suggested, an ER6N or an ER6F could be good choices.

As for commuting on a supersport – I just got one and don't have any problems with it on the 60km trip to and from work. I miss the fuel economy of my old bike already though.

[Banditbandit]

Why spend such big coin on a commuter bike that is so boring?

Try 28 minutes from the Puketitiri Museum to the EIT gateway - via Puketitiri Road, Apley Road, Dartmoor Road - turn right at Puketapu and cross the bridge, down Omaranui Road, turn left through Waiohiki and into Taradale ...

55ks .. 28 minutes .. did it every day on my 650 Bandit .. then tell me it's boring ..

[TheDemonLord]

The Hornet is easy to get parts for
It's still a significant amount of money to put in to something that doesn't do anything particularly well.
Unless you're buying an older second hand one?

Heavenly seat eh? Well, better buy it then ;)


Wait, I'll give you fuck all for the Hornet because it's so old and hard to get bits for (being the most common Honda 250 in NZ)

If you can find me a fuel tank for a 96 hornet 250 without any dents in, without having to ship one from overseas for $1000+ then I will change my tune - it took me about 2-3 weeks of emailing every bike wrecker I could find to get a replacement tank - and even then its dented to hell on one side :(

As for not doing anything particularly well - when I test rode it, it moved my fat ass around in comfort, with enough oomph to give me a silly grin, was able to accidentally break 100 kph in a residential (honestly, I wasn't looking at the speedo and was used to my hornet and its rev noise) and was able to do a full lock uturn without any difficulty

That said - I am sure there are better bikes out there - for example, I will one day get my dream 'Busa, but I am in need of a bit more experiance on something intermediate first.

[ducatilover]

Try 28 minutes from the Puketitiri Museum to the EIT gateway - via Puketitiri Road, Apley Road, Dartmoor Road - turn right at Puketapu and cross the bridge, down Omaranui Rod, turn left through Waiohiki and into Taradale ...

55ks .. 28 minutes .. did it every day on my 650 Bandit .. then tell me it's boring ..

I used to do near 200km daily commute on proper twisty stuff and having ridden Bandits over those roads, no thank you. But still better than a car. Or a Hyosung. Or dick bleeding.
Nothin' sporty 'bout them :innocent: infact, made the ZZR600 look positively sporty. And that was flabby as fuck

[ducatilover]

If you can find me a fuel tank for a 96 hornet 250 without any dents in, without having to ship one from overseas for $1000+ then I will change my tune - it took me about 2-3 weeks of emailing every bike wrecker I could find to get a replacement tank - and even then its dented to hell on one side :(

As for not doing anything particularly well - when I test rode it, it moved my fat ass around in comfort, with enough oomph to give me a silly grin, was able to accidentally break 100 kph in a residential (honestly, I wasn't looking at the speedo and was used to my hornet and its rev noise) and was able to do a full lock uturn without any difficulty

That said - I am sure there are better bikes out there - for example, I will one day get my dream 'Busa, but I am in need of a bit more experiance on something intermediate first.

Why not repair it? Buying tanks for anything except Chinese bikes is going to be annoying and expensive. And more often than not repairing will be a cheap option.
Hmm, I suppose even the ol near 80hp tank will seem spritely after a Hornet :laugh:

[Brett]

For your budget for commuting, I would personally go with a motard of some sort, 400/450cc or there abouts. Otherwise I would be looking at a higher price bracket.

[Icemaestro]

If you can find me a fuel tank for a 96 hornet 250 without any dents in, without having to ship one from overseas for $1000+.

Good luck finding a fuel tank for your 'fu' second hand at all, and I would imagine that would be the price for one from overseas as well

Also, (not that I've looked) yahoo japan auctions have plenty of tanks, and there is a guy there who cleans and ships them, around 300-500$ all up for a vfr400 one when I last looked/asked.


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[Icemaestro]

For your budget for commuting, I would personally go with a motard of some sort, 400/450cc or there abouts. Otherwise I would be looking at a higher price bracket.

Depends on how tall the op is. I looked at a mortard, but wasn't so keen when having to lean off the bike to get my feet down, and happened apon some roadworks gravel!!


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[haydes55]

Depends on how tall the op is. I looked at a mortard, but wasn't so keen when having to lean off the bike to get my feet down, and happened apon some roadworks gravel!!


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I'm a short arse and managed, light enough to not be an issue.

[Berg]

The 2 commuter, sports, touring bikes currently in our garage, 08 Kawasaki Z750 and 11 Suzuki GSR 750.
Both bloody good all rounders with Mrs Bergs GSR having over 60,000kms without issues.
She also rated the ER6 quite highly

[cheshirecat]

RE Running costs.
As a matter of interest I replaced the tail light bulb last month, first bulb in 150,000k though it goes through . So far since 1994 its blown the aforementioned and burnt out one rectifier. Its running costs are limited to usual consumables. Last valve clearance check was, er not sure, but around 1997 and never needed one since and of course no cam chain. It still has the original discs, wheel bearings etc

[nzspokes]

I don't think my wrists would appreciate an hour long ride on a GSXR600



Get some fitness then. You shouldnt have weight on the bars on any bike. Sport bike your midriff holds you up.

Get a 900 Hornet then. Cheap power, good on gas, easy to get parts. They are a stupidly good commuter.

[nzspokes]

The crappy fuel economy is not so good for commuting though :innocent: I think the 4 bangers have it over us on that one!

Try a VTR thou then.:facepalm:

Tiz the only thing that 4 pots have....

[TheDemonLord]

Get some fitness then. You shouldnt have weight on the bars on any bike. Sport bike your midriff holds you up.

Get a 900 Hornet then. Cheap power, good on gas, easy to get parts. Theny are a stupidly good commuter.

What midrif? I have a spare tire, some insulation and crash padding, but no midrif ;)

[WNJ]

I commute 100+kms every day on my zx6r no worries rain or shine

[Icemaestro]

Get some fitness then. You shouldnt have weight on the bars on any bike. Sport bike your midriff holds you up.

Get a 900 Hornet then. Cheap power, good on gas, easy to get parts. They are a stupidly good commuter.

How cheap on gas spokes? Contemplated one,but the er6 was getting 23-24km/l when I owned it, better than most bikes over 400cc


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[Gremlin]

How cheap on gas spokes? Contemplated one,but the er6 was getting 23-24km/l when I owned it, better than most bikes over 400cc
CB900 is probably a little over 5L/100km, ie, worse than the ER6. Remember the Hornet engine traces back to the CBR900. If you want cheap on gas, the NC700 is around 3.3L/100km.

The Hornet's advantage is it's ridiculous reliability and flexibility. It has low down torque and can deliver at high revs too...

[Urano]

the er6 was getting 23-24km/l when I owned it, better than most bikes over 400cc

confirm.
i was around 22-23 km/l with very light wrist, down to 15-18 with... more exuberant behaviors... :whistle::shifty:

[ducatilover]

The Hornet's advantage is it's ridiculous reliability and flexibility. It has low down torque and can deliver at high revs too...

The Hornet is a lovely all round package. I'd love to commute on one, but I'd probably go full hooligan and flip it
And pretty sexy looking too (apart from those hugenormous cans)

[nzspokes]

How cheap on gas spokes? Contemplated one,but the er6 was getting 23-24km/l when I owned it, better than most bikes over 400cc


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I got about 5l per 100ks.

[nzspokes]

The Hornet is a lovely all round package. I'd love to commute on one, but I'd probably go full hooligan and flip it
And pretty sexy looking too (apart from those hugenormous cans)

That's why I went low mount, dropped 7kgs from up high. Economy improved also.

Now for sale if you want to buy it.:2thumbsup

[ducatilover]

That's why I went low mount, dropped 7kgs from up high. Economy improved also.

Now for sale if you want to buy it.:2thumbsup

How are you finding the change to the VTR?
I'd rather a VTR myself, coz I am a poser. Unless ya want a GN and a Bandit :D

[nzspokes]

How are you finding the change to the VTR?
I'd rather a VTR myself, coz I am a poser. Unless ya want a GN and a Bandit :D

Love it. It pops and farts, makes lots of noise. Handles well. :love:

[ducatilover]

Love it. It pops and farts, makes lots of noise. Handles well. :love:

I want one.
Have since I first rode one and it made purrrrdy noises