letter from the police

[scooterboynz]

hi there every one, a "friend" of mine recieved a letter today, from the helensville police, saying that my "friend" involved in speeding along state highway 16 , it says he was involved in an "estimated" 130kph, it says he must supply details of who was riding the bike at the time that the alledged offence happened.
is ths letter taking the piss? or is it just scare tactics? some one my "friend" overtook and possibly annoyed and rang *555 ??????
advice please :)

[bugjuice]

i think by 'privacy act', they can ask, but can't demand. But by the same token, they can put the responsibility square on the 'owner' if they don't front up with the name. That's the few cases I've heard about overseas, not sure how that'd gel here. And they don't just 'scare' at random. Someone probably got a stick up their arse about summat, and that's the best they could do.. I'd say get 'legal' advice, but not sure how that'd work out. I'm sure you'll get a few pm's of help or advice.. else bite a bullet and say 'so..'..
130 could be argued at 120, and 20 over isn't too bad, to save a heap of grief. Especially since they have no solid proof of speed. this 'mate' could have been doin a hundy, and passed a car doing 70, 80.. difference in speed is the same, but they got an arseache over it..

i'll shut up now, and fill in the hole I'm diggin..

[cowboyz]

I would send them a very polite letter back explaining that you have no recollection of the incident but ti is concievable that you were in fact on the road at that time but it is inconcievable that you would be travelling that quickly. They can't do anything about it unless they have got an exact lock on what the bike was doing at the time. "estimated" is not good enough.

Or just ignore it completely.

[scooterboynz]

it even says in my "friends " letter he must supply information about the "driver" of the "car" well if they cant even get it correct that is was a bike! and a rider! then how could they possibly get the speed correct!

[Skyryder]

hi there every one, a "friend" of mine recieved a letter today, from the helensville police, saying that my "friend" involved in speeding along state highway 16 , it says he was involved in an "estimated" 130kph, it says he must supply details of who was riding the bike at the time that the alledged offence happened.
is ths letter taking the piss? or is it just scare tactics? some one my "friend" overtook and possibly annoyed and rang *555 ??????
advice please :)

Sounds a bit sus to me. If it's a speeding ticket the Police simply issue to reg. owner. Estimated................ ???. No photograph................There are rules and regulations how police estimate speed. Wonder why 'your friend' wasn't pulled over and issued a ticket.

Skyryder

[zeRax]

^ everything that cowboyz said

[bugjuice]

well, you can just say that the letter holds no merit at all, since you don't own a car of the registration (and they'd know that, if they bloody checked what they send!), and again, since the speed is estimated, no solid evidence. It'd purely be a 'voluntary' surrender of information to the law, since they obviously have very little to go on.

[scooterboynz]

oh one important thing i forgot to mention , it turned up to my "friends" letter box in a plain brown envelope with just his name and address , no stamp , no nothing! are the police so quiet with nothing to do that they can personally deliver letters from a police station over 40k's away ?

[bugjuice]

was it even on letter-headed paper?
I don't think it comes in marked envelopes any more, since it can easily be 'discarded' before opening. Hand delivered tho.... someone pulling a leg here?

[scooterboynz]

the letter inside has no official letter head , well no proffesional looking one , looks like is got spat out of a cheap nasty bubble jet printer ,,, so it probably was from helensville station then!

[bugjuice]

someone's tuggin ya then.. if it's not official, then probably isn't.. does it even have a case/ref number?

[scooterboynz]

someone's tuggin ya then.. if it's not official, then probably isn't.. does it even have a case/ref number?

funny you should mention that , no it doesnt have any case number , any file number nothing ,,,, if i had a scanner i would post it up on here !
the police logo on the top of the letter looks like it was drawn by a two year old!
it says failure to comply with letter a fine of no more than $10,000 or loss of licence for a period that the court thinks fit!

[bugjuice]

there's your answer then.
could even go as far as getting Hitcher to check the grammar! I bet that's a bit out too..

[scooterboynz]

it happenend the day i think i saw you? we turned off onto woodcocks road towards warkworth , then headed up to wellsford then back down 16 and home , it says it happened at a place called "mangakura" which i think is the little place by the bridge with the little boat ramp and the blind hump of a dodgy hill

[zeRax]

sigh, that ammounted to nothing interesting then, D: lame prank, dust it for fingerprints and then stab the culprit

[crashe]

someone is taking the piss out of your 'friend'

so frame it.. lol.

and it aint even the 1st April yet.

[Pixie]

Take it to the cops.Ask them to investigate a stalker pretending to be police.

[Velox]

If it's the *555ers that wrote it why would they say that it was a car?




If it is real, you could write in saying that it can't have been you because you don't own a car with that licence plate. If they further the whole thing fess up but they should be able to get that right!

[scumdog]

IF the car/bike is registered in your name you MUST supply details as to who was driving/riding at the time mentioned.

Failure to do so? - up to $10,000 fine.

Sure, listen to all the 'site'lawyers if it IS a phoney and get rid of the letter - but throw it out at your peril if it is genuine.!!

And of course it will be 'easy' to tell if it IS genuine, right?

[bugjuice]

it happenend the day i think i saw you? we turned off onto woodcocks road towards warkworth , then headed up to wellsford then back down 16 and home , it says it happened at a place called "mangakura" which i think is the little place by the bridge with the little boat ramp and the blind hump of a dodgy hill
pah! last weekend?!?! no way in hell could all the paper work etc be filed and mailed to you in only a few days. Takes weeks at best.

someone's tuggin ya.

but saying that, be careful. If they've got the arseache with you for whatever reason, they know where you live now, since they delivered it by hand. Don't want to make you paranoid, but just be warey of stuff

[beelzebub]

Go on - ignore it. You know you want to.
Better still, copy it and post it in the letterbox of one of your friends, :devil2:

[BNZ]

Write back and tell them like fuck you would ever be seen riding as slow as 130. And ask how they got your number plate as you are sure your wheelie was so high the plate was completely hidden. Also mention the driver of the car having a beer in his hand.

[The Stranger]

Not difficult to tell if it is genuine.
Take it to the police and ask them.

If it is not they should be quite interested.

My brother has recieved this kind of thing in the past on 2 occasions. Once was a letter the other was a visit. Neither time did he get prosecuted as such, but I am sure he was a marked man from then on. Maybe it was just chance but he used to get heaps of tickets for a while after that

[spudchucka]

I await Spuds reply.
Its good to see that the bush lawyers are hard at work again!

You have been served a section 118 notice to the owner or hirer of a vehicle to give information as to identity of driver or passenger. You have 14 days to comply or risk being prosecuted and face a fine of up to $10,000.

The use of the word "car" is incorrect and should have been "vehicle" however this is unlikely to have any effect on a subsequent prosecution.

[Coyote]

it even says in my "friends " letter he must supply information about the "driver" of the "car" well if they cant even get it correct that is was a bike! and a rider! then how could they possibly get the speed correct!
As I found out, the police don't have to have the vehicle brand and type correct, so long as they have the speed you travelled and the name of the driver they can give you a ticket

[spudchucka]

oh one important thing i forgot to mention , it turned up to my "friends" letter box in a plain brown envelope with just his name and address , no stamp , no nothing! are the police so quiet with nothing to do that they can personally deliver letters from a police station over 40k's away ?
My guess is that your "friend" wasn't home when they called to deliver it and they simply left it in the envelope. Sometimes mail goes missing, blows away in the wind etc. If the letter wasn't actually served on you..... your friend, as in handed to you....... your friend by the constable or delivered by registered mail then I would suggest it has not been served correctly. You and your friend can choose how best you should take that piece of information.

[spudchucka]

someone's tuggin ya then.. if it's not official, then probably isn't.. does it even have a case/ref number?
They don't have any file number on them and aren't usually on a police letter head. The letter is normally handed to the person and is signed by the serving constable.

[Beemer]

That's a bit weird because if a cop had seen you allegedly doing this speed, they would have taken off after you at the time if possible or visited you later that day. As for the 'estimated 130' - what would they charge you with if you confessed that it was you and you did think you had been speeding? Would you get done for 130, or would you get a dangerous driving or careless use charge?

I don't think it is anything to do with *555 because they do take weeks to be sent out, and they just say that a motorist complained that you were doing xyz and you should take this as a warning and drive safely, etc. I got a letter once that said I was doing 118kms on a certain road that I'd never heard of and my speed had been recorded by some road safety community initiative. I checked the map and found it was a side road off SH1 just north of Otaki so they must have been sitting in that road and logged my speed as I drove past on SH1. No action was forthcoming, it was just a note to let me know I had been speeding! Total waste of time, I hadn't seen them so it didn't modify my behaviour at the time, and no penalty, so why bother?

I think the best option would be to treat it as genuine and just advise the local station (by letter so you will have a record of it in case anything further happens) that you have a motorcycle of that registration but it is not a car and that you have no recollection of this particular incident but you would doubt you were travelling at that speed. I figure if you were going to be ticketed you would have been by now, and if they can't prove who was the 'driver' and what speed this person was doing, I can't see how you could be charged with anything. Even if you admit you were on the bike that day, how can they prove you were doing that speed? Unless it was witnessed by a cop - because I know from experience that if a cop says you were doing xyz, then as far as the courts are concerned, you WERE! I was told that a cop of 20 years experience was a better judge of my actions than I was!

[Pancakes]

Might be an interesting trip to the post office to see if anybodies paid the $2.75 or whatever it is to look your details up from your rego details?

[**R1**]

This happened to one of my mates a few months back, what he did was on the form they sent to fill out he put a big black cross through the front, fliped it over and on the back wrote down that his bike hadnt been riden by anyone else, and that if it was his bike seen poping a 180k wheelie in a 50 zone at that time to prove it. this was 3 months back and he hasnt heard a thing since. our conclusion was they only had part of his licence plate and just wanted him to cave and spill his guts. they come over and delivered it in person tho, and tried to get him to confess then and there, then 3 days latter the letter followed. my advice is dont give them what they are asking for, send the letter back with a denial, and untill they drag you to court with evedence just keep denying, it will waste a heap of police time(at least they wont be out issueing tickets) and with any luck like was the case with him they will give up....IMO if they new for a fact it was you or your bike they would have come over to see you with a ticket..no question

[WRT]

As a point of interest, in my old job we had to deal with the IT equipment getting discarded from the Police stations up and down the country as part of their roll-out of new gear. And the old gear (especially from the smaller, rural stations) was pretty crappy. It wouldn't surprise me if it was printed on an ink jet printer, we saw heaps of them from the police - perhaps as many inkjets as lasers.

And this may be off topic slightly, but having seen the quality of the gear the Police had been using before the roll-out - its not wonder they dont have time to solve crimes - heaps of 486's and older! They cant get to the scene of the crime cause they are busy waiting for their computer to boot up!

[k14]

This happened to one of my mates a few months back, what he did was on the form they sent to fill out he put a big black cross through the front, fliped it over and on the back wrote down that his bike hadnt been riden by anyone else, and that if it was his bike seen poping a 180k wheelie in a 50 zone at that time to prove it. this was 3 months back and he hasnt heard a thing since. our conclusion was they only had part of his licence plate and just wanted him to cave and spill his guts. they come over and delivered it in person tho, and tried to get him to confess then and there, then 3 days latter the letter followed. my advice is dont give them what they are asking for, send the letter back with a denial, and untill they drag you to court with evedence just keep denying, it will waste a heap of police time(at least they wont be out issueing tickets) and with any luck like was the case with him they will give up....IMO if they new for a fact it was you or your bike they would have come over to see you with a ticket..no question
Yep what I was thinking. Think you should probably take it as being legit, ring up the officer who's name is on the letter and ask about it. Just don't confess to it, I'd say some car driver just phoned them up and they only way they can get you is if you admit to doing it.

[Lou Girardin]

Phone Helensville Police and check if it's genuine. If it is, it's then your choice to identify the driver, bearing in mind the penalty for not doing so. Ask who estimated your speed, cop or public, don't admit anything. If it was a public complaint, deny it.

[bugjuice]

'course, it doesn't help when you've got a memorable reg plate, huh?

[ManDownUnder]

Take it to the local cop shop and tell them your friend got this - and have them confirm if it's the real deal or not.

If required, you might want to add don't think it relates to your friend as they can't recall the incident in quiestion...

MDU

[R6_kid]

i got one of these letters last year. Unfortunately i burnt it when the whole ordeal was over. Turned out to be an off duty copper - Cant do anything until they get to work the next day/after weekend. As suggested, take a trip down to the po po station and ask them if its real if you really dont believe it... IMO its better to just get it sorted and be straight talking with them. Dont dispute it if you know it was you and you were going that speed (or faster), there are people i know of on here, including myself that have been let off in these situations, usually the copper cant be bothered doing the paper work.

[crshbndct]

I would send them a very polite letter back explaining that you have no recollection of the incident but ti is concievable that you were in fact on the road at that time but it is inconcievable that you would be travelling that quickly. They can't do anything about it unless they have got an exact lock on what the bike was doing at the time. "estimated" is not good enough.

Or just ignore it completely.

quoted for truth

[R6_kid]

could always say it was for sale... and that someone took it for a test ride. You dont have a name or contact number anymore and that you have since resolved the problems with g/f and/or wife and are now alowed to keep the bike :devil2:

[crshbndct]

To Whom it may concern.

I am writing in response to a letter I recently received wherein it states that a vehicle bearing my registration was spotted doing an “estimated” 130 Kilometres an hour.
In the letter it also states that the vehicle is a car, with a driver.

My vehicle has an engine of approximately 999cc, which I doubt would have the power to propel a motorcar of average description to anything over 100 km/h. Indeed I ran a simulation of a 1000cc(an extra cc, I know, but I thought that this is not stacking the odds in my favor, and so is acceptable.)vehicle of average size. The highest top speed it reached was 86.4km./h, or 54mph. Now, while 55mph is the speed required to make a flux capacitor function and propel forward or back in time as I see fit*( For reference, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor) the vehicle is question does not have the ability to achieve the speeds of which I am accused. I would welcome a recorded radar reading, laser reading, or any such device, as I would be delighted to know that my vehicle is capable of not only going 55mph, and enabling me to travel through time and meet my friend Marty McFly, but I would be able to do it effortlessly, and not have to continuously do it heading towards a brick wall/drive-in screen/oncoming traffic, and hope to reach warp speed before a tragedy occurs.

Also in the light of the fact that there is no proof, and that I do not recall even being on that road on that day I would like to deny these charges. If you wish to pursue this matter further you can contact my solicitor, Mr Johnny “Whose yo Pimp Daddy” Cochrane, c/- eat myballs inc, California.

Regards,

(Your name here)

[The Stranger]

Thats an old one that doesnt work. You have to prove it was for sale and ridden by an unknowen. Good luck with that.

Advice from my cousin in HP, return the letter blank. You will then get another one. Also return it blank. At worst the owner of the vehicle will get a fine for the alleged speed....no demerits or if it was an insane speed no loss of licence.
You can decide to pay it or defend the ticket (summons will arrive sometime later) . This process invariably takes many months. Good chance of getting off once prosecution see the case. Ask for disclosure first to see what the police actually have as evidence against you, probably not a lot.

my 2c
I would have thought that the burden of proof lay with the police. I have been hit twice and had the other party get off with lame excuses.

First one I was parked and in a party and got hit, the guy took off. The guy following saw the lot, got his rego and came into the party and found me. We went strait down the police station and reported it. He got off, claimed it was stolen at the time, despite his not having reported it.

The second one was a red light runner, whom hit me then did a runner. No sweat I got his rego. Go to the police and report this one too. They track the car to the owner up north, whom had loaned it to his cousin and had no idea where it was.

Mind you, there is one huge difference here, neither of these were for the most heinous crime of speeding. No doubt you can expect a SWAT team and helicopter soon to collect your "friend" for a minimum of 7 years hard labour for being such an evil bastard.

[madboy]

If you're too much of a smart ass about it, you run the risk that the copper will dig his heels in and decide to make an example of you. Of course, it's still fun to stick it to them :devil2:

If it were me, I'd say I don't believe anyone else was riding my bike at that time, but in saying that I'm not entirely sure that I was either since I can't recall exactly where I was and when. It is possibly that it was me.

Therefore you have near enough satisfied your legal requirement to provide them with the details of the rider (they'll hardly prosecute for that answer).

Then find out whether it was a cop or joe public who spotted ya. Others responding above are quite right, if it's joe public then deny everything. In my experience, you'll prob get off. If it's an off-duty cop, you're completely at their mercy. Either they'll tell you you're good boy for fessing up, don't be so stupid at that speed, don't do it again, and let you off... else you'll get ticketed.

But don't admit that it was you, no matter what. Admit only that to the best of your knowledge it was probably not someone else.

[scooterboynz]

My guess is that your "friend" wasn't home when they called to deliver it and they simply left it in the envelope. Sometimes mail goes missing, blows away in the wind etc. If the letter wasn't actually served on you..... your friend, as in handed to you....... your friend by the constable or delivered by registered mail then I would suggest it has not been served correctly. You and your friend can choose how best you should take that piece of information.

do you really think that the police have the spare time and resources to hand deliver a letter about someone who was alledged to be speeding?

[The Stranger]

If it was something like murder or rape I would have to agree with you.
But you have to keep this in perspective, the man was speeding.
There is no worse crime is there?
So yes it is quite likely they would hand deliver it.

[zeRax]

To Whom it may concern.

I am writing in response to a letter I recently received wherein it states that a vehicle bearing my registration was spotted doing an “estimat.......................................... ..............
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looooooooooool

[ManDownUnder]

looooooooooool

That was a sing by the kinks wasn't it?

I met her in a bar donw in old SOHO...

[Lou Girardin]

do you really think that the police have the spare time and resources to hand deliver a letter about someone who was alledged to be speeding?

Spud should know.

[**R1**]

do you really think that the police have the spare time and resources to hand deliver a letter about someone who was alledged to be speeding?Trust me i know THEY WILL, if they saw you or in my case couldnt keep up with you, or aint sure it was you they will hand deliver it..hate to say it but the copper is right:oi-grr:

[Damon]

I think your mate should send the form back and list 3 or 4 different people on it, say he had some mates over and decided he'd let them have a ride :ride: but has no idea which who was speeding, just make sure the mates know about it :psst:

[Lou Girardin]

If they can't identify the driver, they'll make the owner wear it. Then your only recourse is in court.
That tight painful feeling, is their grip on your balls.
Welcome to this brave new world.

[scooterboynz]

Trust me i know THEY WILL, if they saw you or in my case couldnt keep up with you, or aint sure it was you they will hand deliver it..hate to say it but the copper is right:oi-grr:

my friend never saw apolice car or did his radar detecter beep at all , he did how ever overtake several cars at the place mentioned on the letter, he then stopped at kaukapakapa while his accomplice filled up with gas , he was parked on the side of the main road while all the traffic he previously overtook slowly made its way through kaukop!

[Lou Girardin]

There's the answer to this gross miscarriage of justice. The narc got the wrong rego when they saw you both stopped. It was the other, unknown, bike that was being naughty.

[scooterboynz]

There's the answer to this gross miscarriage of justice. The narc got the wrong rego when they saw you both stopped. It was the other, unknown, bike that was being naughty.

now thats not a bad thought! i am probably gonna write a letter and deny everything!

[scumdog]

could always say it was for sale... and that someone took it for a test ride. You dont have a name or contact number anymore and that you have since resolved the problems with g/f and/or wife and are now alowed to keep the bike :devil2:

And when the guy STILL gets summonsed to Court and tells that to the Judge?

If he's lucky he's just lost time off work, travel expence and a generally bad day!

If unlucky? fine, costs etc.....

[Beemer]

I've had letters from the police (in response to *555 complaints I made before I realised what a waste of time that was) without any postage or franking marks on them and they were sent to my PO box not home. The police are like parliament aren't they - don't pay postage? I've had letters from other government organisations with no stamps, etc. on them too, so I'd assume it was genuine.

I'd agree with what's been said - say it is highly likely you were the person riding the bike that day, but you can't recall any incidence of excessive speed. Ask who claimed you were doing that speed - if a member of the public, deny it and expect a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket (the punishment for *555 type offences). If it was a cop, ask the circumstances - did they have a speed recording device, were they facing you or in a side road when the alleged offence occurred, were they in a vehicle travelling behind you, etc. If you blasted past an off-duty cop who was travelling at 100kph and he knew damned well you were doing at least 120kph, you may end up with a ticket and/or an appearance in court.

Best to get it sorted now, if they have pretty good evidence you were committing the offence you are going to be charged and if you go and see them early and try and downplay the speed, you may end up with just a warning or perhaps a fine for doing up to 120kph at worst. If you ignore it, it won't go away, it will only get worse.

[**R1**]

my friend never saw apolice car or did his radar detecter beep at all , he did how ever overtake several cars at the place mentioned on the letter, he then stopped at kaukapakapa while his accomplice filled up with gas , he was parked on the side of the main road while all the traffic he previously overtook slowly made its way through kaukop!Mufty?????

Mate if i were u i would just play it cool, u can guess who saw ya mate all ya like but realy no one has any idea(except the coppers)i would send the letter back denying u know anything about it, then its up to them to decide if they think they have enough to take u to court or forget about it...I dont see any other safe option.

[spudchucka]

do you really think that the police have the spare time and resources to hand deliver a letter about someone who was alledged to be speeding?
There was something in there that might have helped you but it looks like it went right over your head. Oh well, you'll have to go with the bush lawyers advice instead.

[WINJA]

do you really think that the police have the spare time and resources to hand deliver a letter about someone who was alledged to be speeding?
SADLY THE PIGS WILL SPEND LOTS MORE TIME ON DRIVING OFFENCES THAN ON REAL CRIME LIKE BURGLURY,ASSAULTS AND DRUG DEALING . IVE FOUND THIS OUT MYSELF A FEW TIMES , FUCK THE PIGS THEIR A BUNCH OF CUNTS , THEY NEED TO BE MAKING PROPER DECESIONS WHO AND WHO NOT TO PROSOCUTE, ITS DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL PIG TO START MAKING MORAL DECISIONS TO DO THE RIGHT FUCKEN THING.
INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GATEWAY CRIMES , LIKE ASSAULT , BURGS , AND DRUG DEALING THEY WAIT TILL THEY BECOME BIG CRIMES COMITTED BY THESE GUYS LIKE RAPE AND MURDER

[spudchucka]

ITS DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL PIG TO START MAKING MORAL DECISIONS TO DO THE RIGHT FUCKEN THING.
You're such a roll model!

[scumdog]

You're such a roll model!

I think he means 'role' model eh?

[WINJA]

You're such a roll model!
GET FUCKED , GO WORK HARDER

[scumdog]

SADLY THE PIGS WILL SPEND LOTS MORE TIME ON DRIVING OFFENCES THAN ON REAL CRIME LIKE BURGLURY,ASSAULTS AND DRUG DEALING . IVE FOUND THIS OUT MYSELF A FEW TIMES , FUCK THE PIGS THEIR A BUNCH OF CUNTS , THEY NEED TO BE MAKING PROPER DECESIONS WHO AND WHO NOT TO PROSOCUTE, ITS DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL PIG TO START MAKING MORAL DECISIONS TO DO THE RIGHT FUCKEN THING.
INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GATEWAY CRIMES , LIKE ASSAULT , BURGS , AND DRUG DEALING THEY WAIT TILL THEY BECOME BIG CRIMES COMITTED BY THESE GUYS LIKE RAPE AND MURDER

It's all statistics WINJA and all the polies look at is the liklihood of you getting injured in a crash versus you getting mugged/burgled/robbed.

Sorry, that is what gets the attention.

Me? my hands are tied most of the time.

[WINJA]

It's all statistics WINJA and all the polies look at is the liklihood of you getting injured in a crash versus you getting mugged/burgled/robbed.

Sorry, that is what gets the attention.

Me? my hands are tied most of the time.
AND YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE POLLIES BULLSHIT , 110 ON A 4 LANE FREEWAY IN GOOD WEATHER WITH NO ONE AROUND IS NOT DANGEROUS , NO MATTER HOW MUCH STATISTICS YOU HAVE ITS BULLSHIT , COPS DONT HAVE THEIR HANDS TIED , I MAKE MORAL DECISIONS AT WORK AND STICK TO THEM AND SO SHOULD THE COPS, IVE SEEN THE LENGTHS PIGS GO TO TO CATCH A SPEEDER AND ITS FUCKEN SHAMEFULL , POLICE THAT HOUND THE PUBLIC FOR MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENCES ARE CUNTS , WHEATHER YOU ARE ORDERED TO OR NOT DO THE RIGHT THING

[ZorsT]

My friends dad is a police officer. One day when he was giving me a ride to the hospital (push-bike accident) some dork decided to pass us on double yellow lines. We were doing 100kph and i estimate he was doing 120+

My friends dad took down his rego and when he was at work next he wrote out a ticket for passing on double yellow lines and hand delivered it to the address he got from the cars rego.

I asked him about getting them for speeding also. His response was around the lines of "I can't get him for speeding because I have no definate speed to go on"

[WINJA]

My friends dad is a police officer. One day when he was giving me a ride to the hospital (push-bike accident) some dork decided to pass us on double yellow lines. We were doing 100kph and i estimate he was doing 120+

My friends dad took down his rego and when he was at work next he wrote out a ticket for passing on double yellow lines and hand delivered it to the address he got from the cars rego.

I asked him about getting them for speeding also. His response was around the lines of "I can't get him for speeding because I have no definate speed to go on"
WHAT A CUNT , IVE SEEN COPS OVERTAKE ON DOUBLE YELLOWS WHEN OVERTAKING A TRACTOR AND THAT PRICK DOES THAT OFF DUTY

[scumdog]

WHAT A CUNT , IVE SEEN COPS OVERTAKE ON DOUBLE YELLOWS WHEN OVERTAKING A TRACTOR AND THAT PRICK DOES THAT OFF DUTY

I've seen Suzuki wankers do the same, fuck them, they think they know it all!!

[scumdog]

WHAT A CUNT , IVE SEEN COPS OVERTAKE ON DOUBLE YELLOWS WHEN OVERTAKING A TRACTOR AND THAT PRICK DOES THAT OFF DUTY

Yeah well this incident did not involve a tractor etc and I would have done the same, f... you and your f.....g trolling!!!!

[XTC]

here we go again.......... :baby:

[number33]

Winja, All we can do is accept that the majority of street cops will always be too spineless to go against their bowing and scraping politically correct superiors - who in turn are even more spineless, and continue to shovel this brainwashing bullshit down their greasy hen-pecking ladders of tightly controlled authority. It all starts from parasitic elitist groups of shifty, pursed lipped, handwringing, boring, pompous, turkey necked shitheads with pasty skin, severely tightened shirt collars and bad breath.

These slimy weasels have no warmth in their blood and shall forever be queer, strange cunts. They spend their days hovering at the top of their chosen official perches, and spend their lives plotting, squealing, snivelling, ass licking, back stabbing, and tut-tutting like scabby, mangy old hens. They will ensure that they remain strutting and posing in their sterile, bland corridoors of self imposed, self important power AT ALL COSTS.

Genuine people play no part in this lousy, stinking pit of writhing greedy snakes. Forget the bastards, find some backroads, and ride.

[Ixion]

It's all statistics WINJA and all the polies look at is the liklihood of you getting injured in a crash versus you getting mugged/burgled/robbed.

Sorry, that is what gets the attention.

Me? my hands are tied most of the time.

But surely that would produce the reverse situation. Apart from one girl many (20+) years ago , no one in my family, or of my reasonably close aquaintanceship has been injured in a crash. But half the people I know have been mugged or burgled. So if mugging and burglary are more prevalent why do they not get priority ?

[Ixion]

There was something in there that might have helped you but it looks like it went right over your head. Oh well, you'll have to go with the bush lawyers advice instead.

At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic, the pain in your side is Mr Spudchucka's elbow digging you in the ribs. "Not properly served " - he can't make the hint much broader.

[Ixion]

Winja, All we can do is accept that the majority of street cops will always be too spineless to go against their bowing and scraping politically correct superiors - who in turn are even more spineless, and continue to shovel this brainwashing bullshit down their greasy hen-pecking ladders of tightly controlled authority. It all starts from parasitic elitist groups of shifty, pursed lipped, handwringing, boring, pompous, turkey necked shitheads with pasty skin, severely tightened shirt collars and bad breath.

These slimy weasels have no warmth in their blood and shall forever be queer, strange cunts. They spend their days hovering at the top of their chosen official perches, and spend their lives plotting, squealing, snivelling, ass licking, back stabbing, and tut-tutting like scabby, mangy old hens. They will ensure that they remain strutting and posing in their sterile, bland corridoors of self imposed, self important power AT ALL COSTS.

Genuine people play no part in this lousy, stinking pit of writhing greedy snakes. Forget the bastards, find some backroads, and ride.


Goodness, I wish I could write like that. Mr WINJA, you've got competition.

[scumdog]

Winja, All we can do is accept that the majority of street cops will always be too spineless to go against their bowing and scraping politically correct superiors - who in turn are even more spineless, and continue to shovel this brainwashing bullshit down their greasy hen-pecking ladders of tightly controlled authority. It all starts from parasitic elitist groups of shifty, pursed lipped, handwringing, boring, pompous, turkey necked shitheads with pasty skin, severely tightened shirt collars and bad breath.

These slimy weasels have no warmth in their blood and shall forever be queer, strange cunts. They spend their days hovering at the top of their chosen official perches, and spend their lives plotting, squealing, snivelling, ass licking, back stabbing, and tut-tutting like scabby, mangy old hens. They will ensure that they remain strutting and posing in their sterile, bland corridoors of self imposed, self important power AT ALL COSTS.

Genuine people play no part in this lousy, stinking pit of writhing greedy snakes. Forget the bastards, find some backroads, and ride.

Nehh, at the bottom of the "most spineless and scraping" list we find the likes of number 33.

Me? I have no problems except restraining my mirth when reading the crap postings of number33.

Nice trolling mr33, gutless and non compo mentis is your moto!!

Real bike riders have better things to do!!

And BTW, last time I paid to a "revenue gatherer" was in 1987 - 196kph.

Since then I have figured that those that pay to 'revenue gatherers' are nothing but poorly advised and poorly observant riders.

[WINJA]

Goodness, I wish I could write like that. Mr WINJA, you've got competition.
COMPETITION ?I DONT THINK SO THIS GUY IS STREETS AHEAD OF ME, HE CAN SPELL AND EVERYTHING , GOOD TO SEE IM NOT ALONE AND SOME ONE ELSE CAN SEE PAST THE BULLSHIT

[scumdog]

COMPETITION ?I DONT THINK SO THIS GUY IS STREETS AHEAD OF ME, HE CAN SPELL AND EVERYTHING , GOOD TO SEE IM NOT ALONE AND SOME ONE ELSE CAN SEE PAST THE BULLSHIT


I can see past the bullshit!
You, sir, are SO blinded by dreamers that I am SO blinded by crap that I am almost blined by bullshit.

[WINJA]

I can see past the bullshit!
You, sir, are SO blinded by dreamers that I am SO blinded by crap that I am almost blined by bullshit.
WTF SCUMMY , THE CRACK AND PCP ARE MEANT TO GO IN THE EVIDENCE ROOM NOT ON YOUR COFFEE TABLE :rofl:

[Ixion]

I can see past the bullshit!
You, sir, are SO blinded by dreamers that I am SO blinded by crap that I am almost blined by bullshit.

?? WTF . The Famous Grouse ?

[Patrick]

SADLY THE PIGS WILL SPEND LOTS MORE TIME ON DRIVING OFFENCES THAN ON REAL CRIME LIKE BURGLURY,ASSAULTS AND DRUG DEALING . plus other drivel.....

Don't know of too many people dying in a burglary. (And too many of these are dopey ones who leave everything unlocked...) Only the stupid ones die of drugs (natures way of weeding out the ...) and assaults, well, yeah, some turn their toes up after that...but it never ceases to amaze me how no one really gives a toss about 400 to 500 people each year that get killed on roads. If we had a homicide rate like that, what would be said???? Yeah, some die because they're pissed/drugged, yeah, some speed and do stupid stuff too...come pick up the pieces some time and then tell mums and dads their boy/girl won't ever be coming home, ever... The odd ticket is a better option really....

[scumdog]

?? WTF . The Famous Grouse ?
No, you nin-com-poop!! you total pleb, it's Norton Estate, Hawkes Bay 2002 Chardonnay"

The Famous Grouse is waiting in the background.

PM me if you wish to know more,

[WINJA]

Don't know of too many people dying in a burglary. (And too many of these are dopey ones who leave everything unlocked...) Only the stupid ones die of drugs (natures way of weeding out the ...) and assaults, well, yeah, some turn their toes up after that...but it never ceases to amaze me how no one really gives a toss about 400 to 500 people each year that get killed on roads. If we had a homicide rate like that, what would be said???? Yeah, some die because they're pissed/drugged, yeah, some speed and do stupid stuff too...come pick up the pieces some time and then tell mums and dads their boy/girl won't ever be coming home, ever... The odd ticket is a better option really....
HOWS HANDING OUT TICKETS FOR 110KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY HELPING THE ROAD TOLL?

[Patrick]

HOWS HANDING OUT TICKETS FOR 110KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY HELPING THE ROAD TOLL?

Fair call...got to be doing more than that to get me lookin...must have been more than 110 in a 100 zone...or was it roadworks?

[scumdog]

HOWS HANDING OUT TICKETS FOR 110KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY HELPING THE ROAD TOLL?

Hmm, depends what constitutes 110kph and "empty motorway"

Down here it is 120kph and empty motorway -IF WE HAD A MOTORWAY.

[Patrick]

Hmm, depends what constitutes 110kph and "empty motorway"

Down here it is 120kph and empty motorway -IF WE HAD A MOTOERWAY.

Can't have been too empty...at least one copper???

[DevoDave]

Being an ex cop from waaaay back it sounds as though they have no concrete evidence. The likelyhood is that they have had a complaint from a member of the public and a trying it on in the hope that you will hang your self. Don't admit anything, make them so the work!

[scumdog]

?? WTF . The Famous Grouse ?

Neh... Just SO must crap on this topic that I almost believe it - WITHOUT the 'Famous Grouse'!!!!

[scumdog]

Being an ex cop from waaaay back it sounds as though they have no concrete evidence. The likelyhood is that they have had a complaint from a member of the public and a trying it on in the hope that you will hang your self. Don't admit anything, make them so the work!

But they STILL have to say who was driving - or face up to a $10,000 fine..

[crshbndct]

At the risk of bringing the thread back on topic, the pain in your side is Mr Spudchucka's elbow digging you in the ribs. "Not properly served " - he can't make the hint much broader.

i felt that this post needed to be quoted so that the OP can see it.

[thehollowmen]

But they STILL have to say who was driving - or face up to a $10,000 fine..
Question.. wife and I went up to palmerston for coffee (never again) but while we were there poking about three guys came, swapped bikes, turned around, went away for 40 minutes, and then came back, swapped bikes... talked... repeated it again.

You can't say "well it was one of us but I'm not sure who" can you?

[Sniper]

But they STILL have to say who was driving - or face up to a $10,000 fine..

I have had one of those letters handed to me in Blenheim. The even threatened to give me the $10000 fine there and then. Believe me, its no real joke. Just supply the info and argue the finer points later.

[spudchucka]

GET FUCKED , GO WORK HARDER
Are you telling me to go hand out tickets? Get fucked yourself too by the way.

[spudchucka]

I think he means 'role' model eh?
Err, yeah, thats what I meant.

[spudchucka]

I have had one of those letters handed to me in Blenheim. The even threatened to give me the $10000 fine there and then. Believe me, its no real joke. Just supply the info and argue the finer points later.
If you are charged under that section you will go to court. The cops don't have the mandate to dish out on the spot 10K fines.

[Sniper]

I didnt think so, but being 15 and having 2 police officers turn up on your doorstep while your folks are at home, you believe anything they say.

[DEATH_INC.]

If it was a copper who 'estimated' your speed,you're fucked,I lost my licence to a lying asshole because of an 'estimated' speed.
Listen to Spud & stretch it out as long as possible.....

[Ixion]

Question.. wife and I went up to palmerston for coffee (never again) but while we were there poking about three guys came, swapped bikes, turned around, went away for 40 minutes, and then came back, swapped bikes... talked... repeated it again.

You can't say "well it was one of us but I'm not sure who" can you?

I had pretty much this happen with a company vehicle.' It was "my" car, ie I got to take it home. but during the day heaps of people used it. Keys were just left at reception and anyone who needed would grab them.

Got a call from the cops, "Someone reported rego no xxxx doing naughties. Who was driving".

After asking round, I had to go back and say "I know it wasn't me, but we can't identify who it was" .It was quite a few days after, and no-one could remember, except (presumably) the naughty person, who wasn't fessing up.

So there was a bit of mild threatening, and in the finish , I paid a fine (which the company paid), but no demerits or anything.

Dunno if we could have got out of the fine, just wasn't worth pursuing. Wasn't a very naughty though, $100 and something fine.

[thehollowmen]

(emo) Winja you little fuck, revenge modding is bad.

I disagree strongly with what you said, and I think you're just trolling, and I said so.

So why do you disapprove of my post?

Fucking revenge mods.. go shove your house up your arse and paint your own roof you little cripple.
/emo

There.. glad to have got that off my chest.

Yes, I do agree that police officers have some choice, so stop hassling the good guys, dig out your tickets and go complain to the bad ones?

[WINJA]

(emo) Winja you little fuck, revenge modding is bad.

I disagree strongly with what you said, and I think you're just trolling, and I said so.

So why do you disapprove of my post?

Fucking revenge mods.. go shove your house up your arse and paint your own roof you little cripple.
/emo

There.. glad to have got that off my chest.

Yes, I do agree that police officers have some choice, so stop hassling the good guys, dig out your tickets and go complain to the bad ones?
FUCK YOU I DONT AGREE WITH THE MESSAGE YOU SENT ME SO I REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE IN THE SAME FASHION , YOU COULD HAVE JUST POSTED IT HERE , I THINK ANY COP WHO HANDS OUT TICKETS FOR SPEEDING WHEN IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY ANY OTHER REASON THAN REVENUE GATHERING IS A CUNT , THAT INCLUDES ANY COP ON THIS SITE , ITS TIME FOR THE COPS ON THE COAL FACE TO SAY FUCK THE POLLIES AND BOSSES ITS TIME TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT NOT WHAT IS PROFITABLE

[**R1**]

FUCK YOU I DONT AGREE WITH THE MESSAGE YOU SENT ME SO I REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE IN THE SAME FASHION , YOU COULD HAVE JUST POSTED IT HERE , I THINK ANY COP WHO HANDS OUT TICKETS FOR SPEEDING WHEN IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY ANY OTHER REASON THAN REVENUE GATHERING IS A CUNT , THAT INCLUDES ANY COP ON THIS SITE , ITS TIME FOR THE COPS ON THE COAL FACE TO SAY FUCK THE POLLIES AND BOSSES ITS TIME TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT NOT WHAT IS PROFITABLETrue,,, not going to happen tho...plus they are brainwashed to think it is right, so that would make them all cunts and us all fucked, and that would bring us right back to where we are now! FUCKED.

[Rhino]

Hi Scooterboynz,

After working my way through this thread, I would suggest that you follow the advice of the cops here on KB. They KNOW the law (unlike all the Bush Lawyers here.) The thought of a large fine is not good.

Just supplying the info DOES NOT GUARANTEE a prosecution. Sufficient evidence is needed before a prosecution would be attempted. If it is the result of a *555 call with no officer present, the chance is sweet FA.

To the cops on KB, ignore the hecklers. Remember the old saying, "Empty vessels make the most noise."

[DonaldH]

Gotta go with Rhino.... The mosdt sensible advice so far.....

[DonaldH]

Before anyone notices it. No I don't know what "mosdt" means.

I think i meant "most" in a Scottish accent....

[number33]

Nehh, at the bottom of the "most spineless and scraping" list we find the likes of number 33.

Me? I have no problems except restraining my mirth when reading the crap postings of number33.

Nice trolling mr33, gutless and non compo mentis is your moto!!

Real bike riders have better things to do!!

And BTW, last time I paid to a "revenue gatherer" was in 1987 - 196kph.

Since then I have figured that those that pay to 'revenue gatherers' are nothing but poorly advised and poorly observant riders.


Well, I had to look up "non compos mentis" - "not fit for trial". What trial would that be sir? "gutless, spineless and scraping" - hit a nerve did it sir? Not what you like to hear sir? I can only deduce that you're a cop. "Scumdog" - mmm... a word you aspire to sir? I really would have thought a streetcop would be sick of dealing with shitheads and scum(criminals) on a daily basis. Perhaps you really spend your days insulated in head office eh? Spend a lot of time insulated in a highway patrol car too eh? Own a cool pair of shades sir? Leave the down and out work to the mugs eh? "Scumdog" - a word that describes your character sir?

[spudchucka]

I can only deduce that you're a cop.
You're a fucken brainiac!

[Bagster]

As a ex-cop (not of the traffic variety) my advice is to just ignore it, someone is just having you on. It may be that the guy you passed doing warp factor 10 got a bit miffed and has sent it to you. No police letterhead, no file number = no official letter.

If is is the Police, which I seriously doubt, they will send you a reminder. :sherlock:

[spudchucka]

As a ex-cop (not of the traffic variety) my advice is to just ignore it, someone is just having you on. It may be that the guy you passed doing warp factor 10 got a bit miffed and has sent it to you. No police letterhead, no file number = no official letter.

If is is the Police, which I seriously doubt, they will send you a reminder. :sherlock:
Sorry if it offends but I'm afraid that is bad advice. Section 118 notices aren't on police letter heads and they don't have any file numbers on them.

[scooterboynz]

ok here is the letter , just as it was recieved , names heve been blocked out to protect the innocent ! also i have been reading every ones posts , thanks to everyone, be it good advice or bad , i will past it on to my "friend" he is most appreciative!

[scumdog]

Well, I had to look up "non compos mentis" - "not fit for trial". What trial would that be sir? "gutless, spineless and scraping" - hit a nerve did it sir? Not what you like to hear sir? I can only deduce that you're a cop. "Scumdog" - mmm... a word you aspire to sir? I really would have thought a streetcop would be sick of dealing with shitheads and scum(criminals) on a daily basis. Perhaps you really spend your days insulated in head office eh? Spend a lot of time insulated in a highway patrol car too eh? Own a cool pair of shades sir? Leave the down and out work to the mugs eh? "Scumdog" - a word that describes your character sir?

You summed me up SO well!! :clap: :motu: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NordieBoy]

You summed me up SO well!! :clap: :motu: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
And you ride a Harley.





Sorry mate but you're stuffed.
There's no hope for you at all.

;)

[number33]

You're a fucken brainiac!


Jesus H. Christ!! How many fucking cops are there here? This place is making me fucken nervous. Worse than a hidden fucken gay bar. :psst: :sherlock:

[WINJA]

Jesus H. Christ!! How many fucking cops are there here? This place is making me fucken nervous. Worse than a hidden fucken gay bar. :psst: :sherlock:
LOADS OF PIGS ON THIS SITE , THE WORST IS NODMAN HES A CUNT WHO TARGETS MOTORCYCLISTS YET HES THE MOST SHIT RIDER OF ALL , I WAS IN A
VAN AND HE DIVED IN FRONT OF US AND ALMOST HIT A MOTORCYCLIST ON MY LHS , THEN HE SPED OFF DOWN THE NW LINK AND PULLED OVER AND CHATTED TO ANOTHER CUNT COP

[thehollowmen]

FUCK YOU I DONT AGREE WITH THE MESSAGE YOU SENT ME SO I REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE IN THE SAME FASHION , YOU COULD HAVE JUST POSTED IT HERE , I THINK ANY COP WHO HANDS OUT TICKETS FOR SPEEDING WHEN IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY ANY OTHER REASON THAN REVENUE GATHERING IS A CUNT , THAT INCLUDES ANY COP ON THIS SITE , ITS TIME FOR THE COPS ON THE COAL FACE TO SAY FUCK THE POLLIES AND BOSSES ITS TIME TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT NOT WHAT IS PROFITABLE

Fuck it, back on my ignore list you go.

I disagreed, I've mentioned I disagree before and that you should stop making sweeping generalisations and throw all the cops in the same barrel.

I'm fed up with you making up stereotypes. I've met the cops down here you dig into and they're good guys. You keep perpetuating bullshit and digging at people who I know are good guys, that's why I hand out bad rep. Now why do you hand it out for my question? Hell that suggestion might have even come in useful as a good excuse.

Admittedly there are a few bad apples, but you find those everywhere. Even the bikers have one amoung them, who TYPES ALL IN CAPS to wind everybody up and claims he's crippled yet would do a runner... keep that mouth flapping, they'll set up wind turbines near you eventually and my power bill will go down.

[Lou Girardin]

Well, I had to look up "non compos mentis" - "not fit for trial". What trial would that be sir? "gutless, spineless and scraping" - hit a nerve did it sir? Not what you like to hear sir? I can only deduce that you're a cop. "Scumdog" - mmm... a word you aspire to sir? I really would have thought a streetcop would be sick of dealing with shitheads and scum(criminals) on a daily basis. Perhaps you really spend your days insulated in head office eh? Spend a lot of time insulated in a highway patrol car too eh? Own a cool pair of shades sir? Leave the down and out work to the mugs eh? "Scumdog" - a word that describes your character sir?

You're just a little bit out on this.

[Lou Girardin]

Jesus H. Christ!! How many fucking cops are there here? This place is making me fucken nervous. Worse than a hidden fucken gay bar. :psst: :sherlock:

As far as I know; cops or near enough as to be the same.
Scummy, Spud, Nodman, Bikeycop (surprise), Indoo?
and one or two others I won't mention.
But don't be paranoid about it. I use my real name and haven't yet had them waiting by my front gate.
Won't give 'em my rego though.

[scumdog]

. I use my real name and haven't yet had them waiting by my front gate.
Won't give 'em my rego though.

S'right Lou, we already know, don't feel bad about not giving it to us!!

[Lou Girardin]

S'right Lou, we already know, don't feel bad about not giving it to us!!

No you don't :sherlock:
I don't own a bike (or car) :motu:

[TygerTung]

Seems a bit suspicious that they were asking who was riding, yet the letter got delivered to your friends house!

How was it delivered to your friends house if they didn't know who your friend was!~