The 80/20 Rule

[rastuscat]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.

[neels]

And 20% of police that pull up motorcyclists are arseholes?

Since you only posted half of the equation, thought I'd better finish it for you.

[Scuba_Steve]

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[Berries]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.
And?

I don't tend to run red lights or fail to give way because I could end up getting hurt. In fact I pretty much follow all the road rules when riding apart from one because there is a time and a place when 1km/h above a certain arbitrary limit does not mean certain death.

Imagine that.

But nice troll anyway.

[unstuck]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.

Possession, or manufacture. :eek5:

[AllanB]

Sounds reasonable to me.

One could conclude that they need to raise the speed limit for motorcycles to 120kph on the open road. :yes:

Maybe I should run for Parliament this year.

[haydes55]

What percentage of accidents occur at above the speed limit?

[Scuba_Steve]

What percentage of accidents occur at above the speed limit?

That's the 20 ;)

[jellywrestler]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.

that means they are better at the rest of their behaviour than other motorists?

[Gremlin]

What percentage of accidents occur at above the speed limit?
Zero... because you can't be at AND above at the same time. :msn-wink:

[FJRider]

Possession, or manufacture. :eek5:

Traffic'ing ... what else ...

[Jantar]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.
And a couple of years ago you told us that only 15% of the tickets you write were for speed. So now you are saying that motorcyclists generally obey all the accident causing rules but break the one where they are safest? :rolleyes:

[pritch]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.



That's just because it's such a nice little earner. The money just keeps rolling in.

[Tazz]

:clap:

Social experiment time? Where is the big stirring spoon smiley thing when ya need it.

Are 80% of you fullas are assigned to sit on the side of the road specifically targeting speeders....:facepalm:
I think someone wasted their time chewing those numbers (although I would have thought it would have been higher than 80% considering...)

[awayatc]

Being a cunt is one thing

being proud of it is something else..

[Erelyes]

Imagine that.

Are you saying this is a hypothetical situation?

[Urano]

What percentage of accidents occur at above the speed limit?

it would be necessary to know "what speed limit" are you referring to.
but, as a gross way, i can tell you: "not so much".

remember that the major part of accidents happens within the city borders, so if you are thinking about your 100 kmh limit that part is very, very little.
then consider that the major part of the major part happens at speed below 64 kmh.
so if you're thinkin at the 70 kmh limit the answer is still "not so much".
regarding the 50 kmh limit, there's the part between 50 and 64 kmh, so the answer becomes "some".
at last, considering the 30 kmh limit, the answer could be "a considerable part".
btw, it's been a study in the u.s. years ago that seems to suggest the conclusion that enforcing speed limit in the way it's often done has little effect on the severity and number of accident...
it's not been particularly heralded for imaginable reasons...

:rolleyes:

[R650R]

That's not a rule, its half a stat and halfway to an internet meme with right funny picture...
No surprise as its an easily quatinfiable and enforceable risk factor, so what are the other 20, crap worn out tyres???/Non WOF condition.

[MisterD]

so what are the other 20, crap worn out tyres???/Non WOF condition.

Not having the licence for the bike you're on would be my pick for next on the list.

[Scuba_Steve]

That's not a rule, its half a stat and halfway to an internet meme with right funny picture...
No surprise as its an easily quatinfiable and enforceable risk factor, so what are the other 20, crap worn out tyres???/Non WOF condition.

Maybee no vehicle licence stemming the last ACC rape

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thats only the ones you catch, right? :satan:

the weak-willed pansies who actually stop on command? How many run? How many get away?

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[MrKiwi]

According to curent Police, MoT and ACC stats:
- 2/3 of motorcycle accidents occur on urban roads, and
- 30% of crashes have "going to fast for the conditions" as a primary causal factor.

Speed as in breaking the speed limits will be a subset of the "going to fast" for the conditions stats.

The fast (oops meant vast... :facepalm:) majority of tickets issued by Police to car drivers are also for speed...

I could go on, but can't really be bothered. The op is a waste of information in the form it was given, no context therefore not relevant in any shape or form.

[bogan]

And a couple of years ago you told us that only 15% of the tickets you write were for speed. So now you are saying that motorcyclists generally obey all the accident causing rules but break the one where they are safest? :rolleyes:

Nah, I'm pretty sure he is saying that all the riders who used to go under the speed limit have been mulched cos riding that slow is unsafe. With such a drastic culling of the population now those 15% of safe guys have expanded to 80% of the still riding populace.

[swbarnett]

if speeding was safe there would be no need for speed limits now would there.
The only thing that's not safe about speeding is when it also can be described as "going too fast for the conditions". No arbitrary speed limit will ever do anything about that.

[Drew]

Interesting. I would confidently say that less than 5% of the tickets I've received were for speeding...course, there's a reason for that.

[Gremlin]

Interesting. I would confidently say that less than 5% of the tickets I've received were for speeding...course, there's a reason for that.
Actually, that's interesting, I wonder how others would go.

I think it's 25% for me, I've had 4 tickets.

[haydes55]

What nonsense if speeding was safe there would be no need for speed limits now would there.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha

But speeding is safe, I've never once had a crash due to exceeding the speed limit, yet I've crashed once at 10km/h below the speed limit (smidsy).

If it was unsafe to drive at 80km/h, on a 70km/h restricted, dead straight road with no foot paths or driveways, then how is it safe to go 90km/h on a motorway 10km/h below the speed limit?

How could you crash due to being over a speed limit? People could misjudge your speed, so you react by braking. Easy. If you lose control of the vehicle, then you went too fast for the conditions/vehicle/skill, not too fast for a random number designated to be safe for the lowest common denominator.

Marijuana kills hundreds of people every year because it's illegal, therefore it must kill people or why would it be illegal?

[unstuck]

Marijuana kills hundreds of people every year because it's illegal, therefore it must kill people or why would it be illegal?

KEH.:scratch:

[caseye]

What nonsense if speeding was safe there would be no need for speed limits now would there.

You know what?
Yer full of shit!

Rastus, come on now, tell us what the other 20% get dun fer.
Mr Kiwi, yer right, butt yer wrong, if you know what I mean.

[Drew]

You know what?
Yer full of shit!

Rastus, come on now, tell us what the other 20% get dun fer.
Mr Kiwi, yer right, butt yer wrong, if you know what I mean.
The other 20% is made up of any other traffic offense you can think of. It's not a difficult concept, should you be allowed to ride a motorcycle?

[russd7]

Interesting. I would confidently say that less than 5% of the tickets I've received were for speeding...course, there's a reason for that.

i would confidently say that i estimate that approximately 100% of the tickets i have had have been for speeding, i will further that with 95% of the tickets i have had were for speeding on a motorcycle, only ever had one speeding ticket in the car and that was from a moments inattention with the car on cruise control going down the nelson side of spooners range.
so going by the dogfood logic i should be dead as i speed a lot

[russd7]

What nonsense if speeding was safe there would be no need for speed limits now would there.

I know a lot of people who speed and some who do quite high speeds and have yet to see any of them drop dead whilst doing so.:no:
now being stopped suddenly by some hard to move object, now that can kill you:bleh:

[Drew]

i should be dead as i speed a lotYou should be dead, for being a fucken dick.

Speed is not deadly, if someone knows what they're doing an applies thought to the process. I am pretty sure the cops, and whoever coined "speed kills" knew that. But since they don't get to enforce that drivers/riders be trained to do so competently, it's easier to just keep them traveling a bit slower and make do with what they've got.

Tard!

[SMOKEU]

Interesting. I would confidently say that less than 5% of the tickets I've received were for speeding...course, there's a reason for that.

What were the rest of the tickets for?

[Drew]

What were the rest of the tickets for?
Reg/wof, license, wheelies, burnouts, all sorts really. I've only had three tickets for speeding I think. Maybe four.

[tigertim20]

80% of tickets written for motorcyclists are for speed.

Imagine that.

how many are for not wearing a seat-belt, or talking on the cellphone while riding?

[MrKiwi]

You know what?
Yer full of shit!

Rastus, come on now, tell us what the other 20% get dun fer.
Mr Kiwi, yer right, butt yer wrong, if you know what I mean.

That's the whole point about statistics isn't it.

[Akzle]

"The 80/20 Rule"
or
"Rastus is Bored at work and Playing with his iPad again" (RIBAWPWIPA)

[willytheekid]

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I'd be pissed with that catch too Rastuscat...thought the bait was good!:D

ps...are you asking us to start drink riding etc so we fit in with the 20%?...so we don't take up your time or focus?:confused: (Glad to see 80% of your job has nothing to do with actual criminals tho!...and to think we used to worry about you lol)

Donuts!...I transport them!

[GrayWolf]

Interesting. I would confidently say that less than 5% of the tickets I've received were for speeding...course, there's a reason for that.

I have to admit, 100% of my tickets have been for speeding, that's a grand total of 2, in almost 24 years...... Oh I am such a friggin criminal, huh? :angry:

[rastuscat]

And a couple of years ago you told us that only 15% of the tickets you write were for speed. So now you are saying that motorcyclists generally obey all the accident causing rules but break the one where they are safest? :rolleyes:

Nah. I write bugger all speed tickets as I've fallen victim to the carping on here.

Or maybe I agree with a lot of whats said.

I still write a few if it's in places where crashes happen, as when a crash happens (for whatever reason) the faster the speed, the worse the outcome.

As noted, just trollin really. Every thread with speed as the subject gets plenty of response. Interesting. Pity people didn't care as much about the fuck ups that cause crashes, like overtaking on the left in stupid places.

Just sayin.:corn:

[rastuscat]

That's just because it's such a nice little earner. The money just keeps rolling in.

Actually it's coz riders make it so easy. Low hanging fruit, speeding riders.

[rastuscat]

The op is a waste of information in the form it was given, no context therefore not relevant in any shape or form.

Allow me to add some context.

I was in a meeting with a MSAC bloke the other day who had a MSAC report sitting on the table. I noticed a stat on the page it was open to, that 80% of the tickets for motorcyclists were for speed.

Just dropped it on here to inflame the debate once again. Always a chance to hear the populations views.

You'd be surprised how much the chat on here (yes, even Skoobers and Akzles) informs the opinions I hold. That's why I occasionally post stuff on here, to see what people think. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother.

[MarkH]

Allow me to add some context.
I noticed a stat on the page it was open to, that 80% of the tickets for motorcyclists were for speed.

Isn't that simply because it is speed that the law enforcement officers target?
Surely it is one of the easier things to target and by far the most targeted offence?

[rastuscat]

In other news, here's a picture of a rabbit with a pikelet on its' head.

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Just sayin.

[R650R]

Just dropped it on here to inflame the debate once again. Always a chance to hear the populations views.

You'd be surprised how much the chat on here (yes, even Skoobers and Akzles) informs the opinions I hold. That's why I occasionally post stuff on here, to see what people think. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother.

That's all good, well some feedback useful or not from my interactions.
Two speed tickets in trucks, first one early in career and adjusted my behaviour when realised they do work anywhere anytime... Second one more recent but I put it down to letting my guard down/wrong place wrong time (12k over in Maramarua at 4am FFS), result zero change in behaviour. Although I did rejoice in previously having been the only employee left with a clean licence that it would impact on my rogue employers operator safety rating.
Its all small potatoes compared to the industrial level offending you get away with in trucking due to poor enforcement techniques, although technology is changing that slowly...

Motorbikes: One speed ticket by Mufti in early days and few years later a friendly warning from one of the good cops on taupo rd for doing 118 in wet...

Zero tickets in car and my cages have done few kms at times. But generally don't speed in car...

The biggest factor on changing my riding I'd say was when they dropped the limit for instant licence loss/impound down to 40k over which as you'll be aware is so easily done on a bike when briskly overtaking etc...
So to avoid that scenario means thinking ahead more and setting oneself tighter boundries.

[sugilite]

I've always wanted to speed, where can I buy one of these tickets? :rolleyes:

[caseye]

In other news, here's a picture of a rabbit with a pikelet on its' head.



Just sayin.

Hey thats no pikelet! Tis a double breasted trilby!
Noice work ya bloody great gallah/troll.

[rastuscat]

I've always wanted to speed, where can I buy one of these tickets? :rolleyes:

I'll pm you my bank account details. Thanks for your contribution. Donuts for all.

[MVnut]

In other news, here's a picture of a rabbit with a pikelet on its' head.

Just sayin.

A pikelet without butter is like a race without a winner

[GrayWolf]

There is only one group the Popo target higher than Motorcyclists......
This group has a 100% 'stop rate' along the Queens Highway....

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[98tls]

Nah. I write bugger all speed tickets as I've fallen victim to the carping on here.

Or maybe I agree with a lot of whats said.

I still write a few if it's in places where crashes happen, as when a crash happens (for whatever reason) the faster the speed, the worse the outcome.

As noted, just trollin really. Every thread with speed as the subject gets plenty of response. Interesting. Pity people didn't care as much about the fuck ups that cause crashes, like overtaking on the left in stupid places.

Just sayin.:corn:

Poker runs mate...seriously if ever there was motorcycling shit that needed sorting it would be them no matter what good cause there supposedly for,all intentions aside after the 3rd stop it becomes a fucking wobble fest of new leathered recently divorced bandana wearing rebels making a whole lotta noise going nowhere slowly but still managing to fuck off every other road user that has to swerve out of there way.Gets worse if they make it out of the pub car park.

[unstuck]

I see 2 piklets, I like piklets, with cream and jam.:drool:

[Daffyd]

A pikelet without butter is like a race without a winner

Nah, whipped cream and strawberry or raspberry jam... yum.

[oneofsix]

Nah, whipped cream and strawberry or raspberry jam... yum.

are you still referring to pikelets?

[Daffyd]

are you still referring to pikelets?

Sir, I would suggest you have a dirty mind. :bleh:

[oneofsix]

A pikelet without butter is like a race without a winner

it would appear that like toast, the pikelet lands butter side down :(

[oneofsix]

Sir, I would suggest you have a dirty mind. :bleh:

why thank you. I have been practicing. :laugh:

[Daffyd]

why thank you. I have been practicing. :laugh:

Yes, it shows.

[swbarnett]

the faster the speed, the worse the outcome.
This only follows for the same vehicle at that same instant in time.

For example, given the same speed at the time the brakes are applied worn out tyres will result in more carnage than ones in good nick.

[Akzle]

americanised fuckery.
Beer crepes with sucre and limon. Les bitches.

[Akzle]

as for speeding, i do it all the time. Fuck cops and licensing and shit.
Havent been stopped in years. 50/50 i actually get ticketed if stopped. 30% a notice stands.

[rastuscat]

50/50 i actually get ticketed if stopped. .

So why bang on about quotas? If they existed you'd get a ticket every time?

[Akzle]

So why bang on about quotas? If they existed you'd get a ticket every time?

when the fuck have i banged on about quotas?? i think you're mistaking me for some of the older, whiter gits 'round here?

i accept quotas as fact, but don't think i've ever mentioned them here...