MNZ rule changes for 2015

[Billy]

It would appear that none of the proposed rulechanges have made it past ratification !!!!


As the flowchart demands new rules will come into effect on August the 1st and there are no new rules on the MNZ website copy of the M.O.M.S then there can be none, Anything listed from now forward MUST be null and void for the period ending June 30 2015 unless changed on the basis of safety.

[scrivy]

It would appear that none of the proposed rulechanges have made it past ratification !!!!


As the flowchart demands new rules will come into effect on August the 1st and there are no new rules on the MNZ website copy of the M.O.M.S then there can be none, Anything listed from now forward MUST be null and void for the period ending June 30 2015 unless changed on the basis of safety.

Oh dear........... :facepalm:

[Skunk]

I think you'll find that the standing rules committee or the board will change the rules to suit what they want and the changes will go though. Just in time to screw up the plans of those who are to be competing.

[scrivy]

I think you'll find that the standing rules committee or the board will change the rules to suit what they want and the changes will go though. Just in time to screw up the plans of those who are to be competing.

Did I say 'Oh dear...........' before......??? :facepalm:

[budda]

I think you'll find that the standing rules committee or the board will change the rules to suit what they want and the changes will go though. Just in time to screw up the plans of those who are to be competing.

Tsk Tsk Tsk:;)

[Stirts]

True True True:;)

There, fixed it for you.

[ellipsis]

...yip, definitely progress...backwards and sideways...:scooter::scooter::scooter::bye:

[Shaun Harris]

INVESTIGATIONS Just happen out of the blue rather instantly though when there is personell vendettas involved in them

[Billy]

I think you'll find that the standing rules committee or the board will change the rules to suit what they want and the changes will go though. Just in time to screw up the plans of those who are to be competing.

Nope,

No can do, It's clearly stated in the flowchart that any new rules would be enforced as of the 1st of August, That gives anybody considering competing at NZSBK 2015 the right to run under the rules as they were on the afforementioned date, Therefore due to the cock up made by the standing rules committee, Modifications to supersport engines are reasonably OPEN. Oh and NO floating discs for pre 82 posties, If you see anybody running them,Lodge a protest, It HAS to be upheld.

Hahahaha What a cock up.

[Shaun Harris]

Guess 2 people were to busy making phone calls on another NON REAL matter that they forgot to do there real jobs again eh, surely all this confusement that is caused by these actions must be bordering on bringing the sport into disrepute?


According the dictionary it is any way-------

" The public are laughing at the way the protest situation went down last year"

" The public are laughing at the rules not getting soughted by due date"

" the public are laughing at matters they focus on instead of ones that do matter"


It only takes a couple of ROTTEN apples to spoil a cart, no matter how good the rest of the cart is.

Being a NON mnz member is kinds good really, because you say exactually what you want to say world wide and reap no negative action from it



PS, I wonder which arse licker is going to go running with this post to the old boys club

[budda]

Nope,

,Lodge a protest, It HAS to be upheld.

.

For as long as it takes for a meeting of the brains trust to be held ........

[scrivy]

PS, I wonder which arse licker is going to go running with this post to the old boys club

I reckon Gordie....... he likes giving rimjobs....... Well..... Kick said he did.... :lol::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bl eh:

[Shaun Harris]

I reckon Gordie....... he likes giving rimjobs....... Well..... Kick said he did.... :lol::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bl eh:






Now you have dragged this thread into the gutter

[scrivy]

Now you have dragged this thread into the gutter

Or maybe the powers that be did...... ;)

[Shaun Harris]

Or maybe the powers that be did...... ;)


well there "Code of Conduct" is deffinately in question due to there lack of actions with there committed rolls which is also bringing the sport into disrepute! Dam, double wammy screw up's



Hey, I have not raced for years now, so whats a few more of not being able too- I am an old fucked unit anyway

[pritch]

Nope,

No can do, It's clearly stated in the flowchart that any new rules would be enforced as of the 1st of August,

Ahhh but Jim's got his own flow chart. :whistle:

[ellipsis]

Ahhh but JT's got .... :whistle:

... nothing and is nothing...(but an arsehole)...

[Skunk]

I was right. Rules bent to suit MNZ. Rule changes in force in September.

[budda]

I was right. Rules bent to suit MNZ. Rule changes in force in September.

You are bloody joking, right ? Certain folks tried to jam that down MY throat, but I resisted the stupidity of it ........ this is absolute nonsense, and sure doesn't cast the best light on 'em

Billy, did you forward Greg the email trail of bovine excrement I sent to you re this exact subject ? If you DID, and he's still kow-towed to them, that's a whole other crock of brown n smelly ...........

[Shaun Harris]

I was right. Rules bent to suit MNZ. Rule changes in force in September.



staff illness my arse, the managed to start an investigation on me and a shit load of phone calls were made to riders asking them questions about me.

This just comes down to incompetence, be very interesting to read what rules are changed and if that means you now need certain parts ( Funnily enough) available from the Sth Island like different clutch covers for example, Yea the one who always acts divorced with no interest in anything that could be seen as a confliction, but man his bike sure gets ridden dam fast.

Funny how nothing was posted on MNZ web site until Billy had told us all of there screw ups again, and now ALL the motorcycle web sites world wide I posted that on will be laughing at the changes made by the powers that be outside of the correct process, proving MNZ is a joke currently and bugger thinking about racing there as they change the game rules to suit them selves day by day

I really do not give a fuck about racing here again now, these cunts are just clowns simple as that and be fuked if I want to be associated with them and really hope some one has the balls to throw some COC clause charges at them.

Jim Tuckerman had a lady ( I will NEVER name her as that is not fair on her) text me last year asking me to protest against the protest re the 250 bullshit that went down and offered to put up the $500-00 cash towards it, I of course immediately informed Billy of this via a text!

Surely the PRESIDENT paying to protest a protest by a panel operating on behalf of MNZ is bringing the sport into disrepute minimum? not to mention his code of conduct.

Time for a lot of truths to start coming out now bit by bit by a few other people also I hope. Time to stop this dam "ROT" TEAM


I will happily stand in any court in the country and swear my self in and repeat any of the above and more yet, "TAX" and basically theft/lying is another funny can of worms

[Billy]

I was right. Rules bent to suit MNZ. Rule changes in force in September.

I see 2 problems there, That must surely have required a rulechange and as it's not within the window laid out by MNZ , Also the manual clearly stated August the 1st, As there were NO rulechanges on the official website on August 1, Then there can be no changes for 2014/15, Prepare your machine as per August 1st rules and get ready to protest.

Also it opens up a can of worms for MNZ itself, As I see it, They have cheated the system to alter this, So does that mean they MUST face the same consequences as Shaun Harris ??????

[Shaun Harris]

I VOLUNTEER myself for any position for the next 12 months and will "PAY MYSELF" to be there doing it full time to help clean this sport up and get it back on track.

Shaun C Harris

[Shaun Harris]

I see 2 problems there, That must surely have required a rulechange and as it's not within the window laid out by MNZ , Also the manual clearly stated August the 1st, As there were NO rulechanges on the official website on August 1, Then there can be no changes for 2014/15, Prepare your machine as per August 1st rules and get ready to protest.

Also it opens up a can of worms for MNZ itself, As I see it, They have cheated the system to alter this, So does that mean they MUST face the same consequences as Shaun Harris ??????








tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock

[scrivy]

I see 2 problems there, That must surely have required a rulechange and as it's not within the window laid out by MNZ , Also the manual clearly stated August the 1st, As there were NO rulechanges on the official website on August 1, Then there can be no changes for 2014/15, Prepare your machine as per August 1st rules and get ready to protest.

Also it opens up a can of worms for MNZ itself, As I see it, They have cheated the system to alter this, So does that mean they MUST face the same consequences as Shaun Harris ??????

Do as Billy says folks. There were no changes stating otherwise.

[scrivy]

Oh, by the way, did I tell you coonts years ago to vote for Chris Lawrance??

Well?? :brick:

:buggerd: There must have been alot of you that prefer the cock...... :lol:

[scrivy]

So does that mean they MUST face the same consequences as Shaun Harris ??????

What consequences is Shaun going to face?
What clause has he breached? Well, alleged to have breached and has been charged with?? :love:

[Shaun Harris]

What consequences is Shaun going to face?
What clause has he breached? Well, alleged to have breached and has been charged with?? :love:



NOT been charged with anything even though I replied to an email from the office asking for the clause of which I was supposed to have breached that gave them the power to NOT issue me with an MNZ race licence.

I had to email again today asking for it and did end up getting a scarcastic reply but still no info on the clause I am supposed to have breached

Jim Tuckerman himself told me on the phone a few days back that the committee was looking at giving me a 5 year ban on being able to obtain a MNZ licence.

So again just cheap talk by incompetent people.

[scott411]

Is would be funny if it was not so sad,

[scrivy]

NOT been charged with anything even though I replied to an email from the office asking for the clause of which I was supposed to have breached that gave them the power to NOT issue me with an MNZ race licence.

I had to email again today asking for it and did end up getting a scarcastic reply but still no info on the clause I am supposed to have breached

Jim Tuckerman himself told me on the phone a few days back that the committee was looking at giving me a 5 year ban on being able to obtain a MNZ licence.

So again just cheap talk by incompetent people.

Hmmmm..... I wonder what the Companies Office would think of that??
Maybe give them a call and ask them to contact MNZ for clarification as to which rule you have breached.
That's what I'd do.

[Shaun Harris]

Hmmmm..... I wonder what the Companies Office would think of that??
Maybe give them a call and ask them to contact MNZ for clarification as to which rule you have breached.
That's what I'd do.






My Lawyer suggested that I just sit back and let them bury themselves even further by there failing to act in accordance to the constitution, and I agree with him also

[Shaun Harris]

Is would be funny if it was not so sad,





That is a rather Nice way to describe the situation Scott

[Shaun Harris]

Thread title needs changing to MNZ CHEATED, WAM-O 30-000 odd hits in no time hahaha

[merv]

.... But they are all there for the betterment of the sport aren't they?

[Drew]

I just want to fucken race, it's starting to look so shambolic that I might not get to.

[merv]

I just want to fucken race, it's starting to look so shambolic that I might not get to.

Yeah want to see you win too, no more pissing around.

[Shaun Harris]

.... But they are all there for the betterment of the sport aren't they?





5 out of 7 probally are

[Drew]

Yeah want to see you win too, no more pissing around.

No pressure though.

[Mental Trousers]

You know you guys are making life very difficult for the wrong people eh?? It's not the clowns that have been making a mess of the governing body that are affected by the endless bagging, it's the people trying to organise race meetings, find budgets to pay for it all etc that are hit by all the bad publicity that has been generated lately.

[Drew]

You know you guys are making life very difficult for the wrong people eh?? It's not the clowns that have been making a mess of the governing body that are affected by the endless bagging, it's the people trying to organise race meetings, find budgets to pay for it all etc that are hit by all the bad publicity that has been generated lately.

What do you suggest bro?

[Shaun Harris]

What do you suggest bro?





hanging for an awnser also from this man- as rot needs exsposing and dumping before you can grow

[Mental Trousers]

What do you suggest bro?

Getting organised and taking them on instead of slagging things off online.

If the Constitution states that August 1st is the deadline then build a bike to those rules and take them on. There's been other suggestions here and there as well.

The enforcement and appeal processes are shit so making life difficult for them legally through those channels is much more effective.

[Shaun Harris]

Getting organised and taking them on instead of slagging things off online.

If the Constitution states that August 1st is the deadline then build a bike to those rules and take them on. There's been other suggestions here and there as well.

The enforcement and appeal processes are shit so making life difficult for them legally through those channels is much more effective.



What, so you are saying that BILLY is/was not organised after running the whole dam show for 2 years dude- People need removing from there current positions, and the only way to do it is via a vote as far as I know unless they are blatently either bringing the sport into disrepute or up on coc issue's, so the public need educating on how these people operate just like Politicians and parliament really, so this is actually a MAJOR part of getting organised Shayne

[Mental Trousers]

What, so you are saying that BILLY is/was not organised after running the whole dam show for 2 years dude- People need removing from there current positions, and the only way to do it is via a vote as far as I know unless they are blatently either bringing the sport into disrepute or up on coc issue's, so the public need educating on how these people operate just like Politicians and parliament really, so this is actually a MAJOR part of getting organised Shayne

Slagging things off has more of a negative affect than you think it does. There's very little organising people to vote but large amounts of shit slinging, the two aren't the same thing. It certainly isn't educational.

Billy did a great job as Commissioner and I was really disappointed he gave that away and I told him that.

[scrivy]

The enforcement and appeal processes are shit so making life difficult for them legally through those channels is much more effective.

I would doubt it.
How many 'black' meetings are there a year? They haven't squashed any of those..... even if they are in breach of the rules.
The board also never disiplined an elected member up on an alleged assault charge.....
But they were quick to suspend a member without that members story being told. A knee jerk reaction at the time.

Appears to be no consistancy...

[Grumph]

Getting organised and taking them on instead of slagging things off online.

If the Constitution states that August 1st is the deadline then build a bike to those rules and take them on. There's been other suggestions here and there as well.

The enforcement and appeal processes are shit so making life difficult for them legally through those channels is much more effective.

There are risks inherent in that method. Build a bike you assume will be legal because MNZ hasn't followed it's own processes and shazam, suddenly the new rules are in place, post dated....And yes, Billy, it's happened before and although in theory it can't happen again, I'd not bet against it...
At the moment MNZ is the only show in town - at least for roadracing. So change can only come via the ballot box...

[Billy]

You know you guys are making life very difficult for the wrong people eh?? It's not the clowns that have been making a mess of the governing body that are affected by the endless bagging, it's the people trying to organise race meetings, find budgets to pay for it all etc that are hit by all the bad publicity that has been generated lately.

Unfortunately your right Shane,

However it has to be a level playing feild and as was evident during NZSBK the oldboys club have been getting it wrong for sometime now, For example the cock ups made to appendix G allowed alot more modification than the original version did, As nobody bothered to inform ALL the members some took an advantage that others were not aware of, I have tried on numerous occassions to have the oldboys club dealt with and the fair and safe enforcement of rules put in place through the appropriate channels and have been lied to and misled in this regard, I could pretty much write a book about the inconsistencies and mismanagement. I am AND will continue to advise as many people as I can and when I can of ANY advantage or otherwise that may keep them up with the play, Its unhelpful that some board members and club officials are misinforming the members on public forums, IE, I was informed last night the president of the NZPCRA was informing people that the standing rules committee were the ones charged with deciding which rules were too be ratified, This is absolutely incorrect and in fact I was informed by the president some months ago that committee was being disbanded as it was not performing adequately, If MNZ won't do the job properly, I will.

[scrivy]

So change can only come via the ballot box...

Have I ever said before that people should have voted for Chris Lawrance.....???:rolleyes:

[scrivy]

There are risks inherent in that method. Build a bike you assume will be legal because MNZ hasn't followed it's own processes and shazam, suddenly the new rules are in place, post dated....And yes, Billy, it's happened before and although in theory it can't happen again, I'd not bet against it....

You'd have every right to appeal any ruling MNZ made about that then, as it has been widely divulged to all now that they clearly never met their own criteria. Appeal, and if not happy, the Sports Tribunal is the final remedy.
This is an example of how not to be a governing body.

[Pumba]

Have I ever said before that people should have voted for Chris Lawrance.....???:rolleyes:

You are starting to sound a bit repetitive. For the record, I did.

[scrivy]

You are starting to sound a bit repetitive. For the record, I did.

Sorry Pumba, Ive always had a bad stutter......

[scrivy]

For the record, I did.

Oh shit...... I think I forgot to vote.......:rolleyes::bleh:

[Pumba]

Sorry Pumba, Ive always had a bad stutter......

Its ok. Some people are slower that the rest of us

[scrivy]

Its ok. Some people are slower that the rest of us

You mean like Kick???;):lol:

[swarfie]

You mean like Kick???;):lol:

He's not that slow...he'll be along any second now:laugh:

[scrivy]

He's not that slow...he'll be along any second now:laugh:

At least he's not selfish..... he prefers to come last....:bleh:

[Kiwi Graham]

I have read almost all of these threads and been pointed in the direction of other social media statements. I've heard claims of various rumours and various so called facts.
Many if not all of you here know me and know what it is I do in relation to our sport.

I am going to state a real fact;

The weekly if not daily bad mouthing and general bagging of various individuals associated with our sport is having a huge knock on effect.
Not on the people or organisations you're trying to bring to account but to the very sport you claim to love and support and wish to grow.

What is written here does not stay here in 'kiwibiker' land it travels far and wide and not just within New Zealand. It lands on the desks and screens of team owners, budget holders, sponsors and manufacturers to name but a few.

For the good of our sport can you direct your statements directly to those you have an issue with through the correct channels and leave those of us who are left to continue and try and run our sport free of this self destructing train wreck of a direction it is heading.

Please, I know its just a handful of you perpetuating this but think of the damage you are doing, I hope to god its not your aim to bring our sport down like this but believe me you are.......

[ellipsis]

For the good of our sport can you direct your statements directly to those you have an issue with through the correct channels and leave those of us who are left to continue and try and run our sport free of this self destructing train wreck of a direction it is heading.




....A Simple Fact...the correct channels lead to nowhere and the correct procedures lead there also...

[Shaun Harris]

I here ya Mental trousers and KiwiGraham But below says it it all about that process



....A Simple Fact...the correct channels lead to nowhere and the correct procedures lead there also...

[Drew]

I here ya Mental trousers and KiwiGraham But below says it it all about that processCouple problems with that. 1. It's a comment from a made up name on an internet forum, without any evidence to support it.

2. The sports tribunal is the next step if you get no joy from MNZ.

I'm not leaning one way or the other here, I just wanna race.

[ellipsis]

I'm not leaning one way or the other here, I just wanna race.


...that sounds a bit like the bulk of the membership who don't vote and give the volunteers who have, (had) to deal with the clowns a hard time for 'doing things for them"...

[Billy]

I have read almost all of these threads and been pointed in the direction of other social media statements. I've heard claims of various rumours and various so called facts.
Many if not all of you here know me and know what it is I do in relation to our sport.

I am going to state a real fact;


Jeez Graham,

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought that was written by Helen Kelly, Heres some REAL facts for you,

1 There is and has been since long before you graced our presence, An oldboys club operating, But you already know that as we've discussed it, You also know who they are and the constant disruptions they cause and then try and pretend they had nothing to do with, As does the President and some board members, They have a nickname for them that I will not divulge at this stage.

2 The newly appointed roadrace commissioner and yourself are WELL aware who the bulk of these people are as they are members of your club, As we have discussed earlier the problems they cause on a regular basis.

3 I have tried on numerous occassions to have things rectified through the correct channels, Including insisting on having the stewards reports forwarded too me which was not the practice until I took over as commissioner, Then matching them up with the ever increasing list of complaints I received from frustrated members (Most of which were in relation to events held at HD, Paeroa and Wanganui), Then forwarding on my findings to the board, Stewards commissioner and admin to no avail and in one particular instance was told to mind my own business.

4 Before I took over as commissioner and insisted that ALL clubs provided supp regs for their club events including rules for F1/F2, Can you please advise HOW it was, That your club was enforcing the rules in a reasonable manner when you didn't have ANY for 7 of the 8 classes you were running that were NOT covered by the Manual ?????

5 Please explain how, Despite the rulebook stating a class can not run with less than 6 entries, You were able to win a TT title at HD during the 2011 NZSBK round when you were the sole entrant in that round AND the Championship class you won (Superstock 1000), Had not met the criteria required of 6 entries received for round 1 of the series at Timaru that year, In fact that Championship class was NEVER qualified and thats why I had it removed, That title was handed out by your club fraudulently and qualified by the oldboys club as you well know.

6 Please explain how fact number 5 is not cheating and will you be returning the trophy and accepting the same 5 year ban penalty being considered for Shaun Harris for his admission of sorts for which there is NO concrete proof ????.

7 Would you prefer I went directly to Sport NZ and the Chief Coroner with my concerns re the unfair treatment of MNZ members and unsafe culture at events by SOME stewards, Including photo's I received with a stream of complaints following the helmetless parade allowed to take place at Paeroa this year, On a track declared unsafe to compete on and including young children on sidecars and Supermotard fuel tanks, Also helmetless and in the presence of the oldboys club and atleast one onroad board member, I could also include the emails from senior stewards declaring me delusional for bringing in basic safety rules to try and stem the deaths occuring in our sport.

8 I could write another 20 or more, But I'll leave you to answer these first, Or should I just go directly to the press???? Your call.

[Billy]

Couple problems with that. 1. It's a comment from a made up name on an internet forum, without any evidence to support it.

2. The sports tribunal is the next step if you get no joy from MNZ.

I'm not leaning one way or the other here, I just wanna race.

Well thats disappointing Drew,

Firstly his names Neil and he WAS a grade 4 MNZ steward who like many others got sick of the system and walked, He was also President of CAMS for a period, So not unqualified at all.

I understand you just "wanna race" and thats just the attitude that git us where we are, Here's a list of dont"s for you to use in the future,

1 DON'T complain when a close friend is needlessly killed because somebody flaunts a rule the has NEVER been enforced.

2 Don't complain when you see somebody win a championship on illegal machinery that is allowed to let go by officials as they have NO faith in the system.

Because you just wanna race and everything else is inconsequential !!!

[nodrog]

The most amusing thing about all this is billy used to call me a fucktard for bleating about MNZ on the internets.

[Billy]

The most amusing thing about all this is billy used to call me a fucktard for bleating about MNZ on the internets.

Yip,

Thats cause you were jeopardising all the hard work Tracey and I did getting the sidecars back on the program due to the history between the President and the sidecar association and also you are a member and I am not.

[Drew]

Well thats disappointing Drew,

Firstly his names Neil and he WAS a grade 4 MNZ steward who like many others got sick of the system and walked, He was also President of CAMS for a period, So not unqualified at all.

I understand you just "wanna race" and thats just the attitude that git us where we are, Here's a list of dont"s for you to use in the future,

1 DON'T complain when a close friend is needlessly killed because somebody flaunts a rule the has NEVER been enforced.

2 Don't complain when you see somebody win a championship on illegal machinery that is allowed to let go by officials as they have NO faith in the system.

Because you just wanna race and everything else is inconsequential !!!If I need to get involved to ensure I can race, I will.

I'm the wrong man for the job, but if needs must...

The right people for the job are getting the shits put up them, and losing interest. I'd likely lose the plot and throw a tanty of epic proportions and never be allowed anywhere near an MNZ event.

[nodrog]

Yip,

Thats cause you were jeopardising all the hard work Tracey and I did getting the sidecars back on the program due to the history between the President and the sidecar association and also you are a member and I am not.

Lol, really.

that makes it ok then.

[Billy]

If I need to get involved to ensure I can race, I will.

I'm the wrong man for the job, but if needs must...

The right people for the job are getting the shits put up them, and losing interest. I'd likely lose the plot and throw a tanty of epic proportions and never be allowed anywhere near an MNZ event.

Theres nothing stopping anybody from going racing and in fact I am expecting next years championship to be a ripper, All you really need do is send an email to admin at MNZ and ALL board members and the relevant commissioners expressing your dissatisfaction with the way things are being handled, If they get enough complaints, They will HAVE to act, But too date nowhere near enough members are doing so, I used to get a regular amount and forward them on to no avail, BUT thats cause they were viewed as one complaint as opposed to a large number, Thats all the involvement that should be required

[Billy]

Lol, really.

that makes it ok then.

Well not on its own no, But when you add it to the 3 years I tried to get things changed from within and was ignored, As opposed to you just making shit up as you go along Weeeeell !!!

I'm sure Tracey and Scrivy could verify the problems we had re the reintroduction if the chairs and the president and boards stance, Still I expect your well advised on it all.

[scrivy]

5 Please explain how, Despite the rulebook stating a class can not run with less than 6 entries, You were able to win a TT title at HD during the 2011 NZSBK round when you were the sole entrant in that round AND the Championship class you won (Superstock 1000), Had not met the criteria required of 6 entries received for round 1 of the series at Timaru that year, In fact that Championship class was NEVER qualified and thats why I had it removed, That title was handed out by your club fraudulently and qualified by the oldboys club as you well know.


Billy, I don't want to stir shit up re Sidecars, but the same thing happened to us back in 2010 as you know. Our AFFILIATED club took legal action (as we were allowed to), and the GB threw out our complaint.

Soooo... where does the MNZ GB accountability start and where does it stop??
Surely MNZ members can't let this debacle continue??

[Kiwi Graham]

Jeez Graham,

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought that was written by Helen Kelly, Heres some REAL facts for you,



The weekly if not daily bad mouthing and general bagging of various individuals associated with our sport is having a huge knock on effect.
Not on the people or organisations you're trying to bring to account but to the very sport you claim to love and support and wish to grow.

What is written here does not stay here in 'kiwibiker' land it travels far and wide and not just within New Zealand. It lands on the desks and screens of team owners, budget holders, sponsors and manufacturers to name but a few.

For the good of our sport can you direct your statements directly to those you have an issue with through the correct channels and leave those of us who are left to continue and try and run our sport free of this self destructing train wreck of a direction it is heading.

Please, I know its just a handful of you perpetuating this but think of the damage you are doing, I hope to god its not your aim to bring our sport down like this but believe me you are.......

http://vimeo.com/10880189

[scrivy]

Please explain how fact number 5 is not cheating and will you be returning the trophy and accepting the same 5 year ban penalty being considered for Shaun Harris for his admission of sorts for which there is NO concrete proof ????


A five year ban???? :gob: Are you fucken serious???

Oh, Shaun will end up bankrupting MNZ when he appeals and goes to the Spo.......... ;)

FFS!!!

There needs to be an emergency meeting (or special AGM) to sort this fucken mess out!! Too much shit is going on and bad decisions being made and proposed. The only way forward is to sit coonts down at a table and have conversations on MNZ's direction, issues and remedies. Until that happens, it's only going to contnue as it is.
:weird:

FFS, pick up some phones you goobers.....

[Shaun Harris]

A five year ban???? :gob: Are you fucken serious???

Oh, Shaun will end up bankrupting MNZ when he appeals and goes to the Spo.......... ;)

FFS!!!

There needs to be an emergency meeting (or special AGM) to sort this fucken mess out!! Too much shit is going on and bad decisions being made and proposed. The only way forward is to sit coonts down at a table and have conversations on MNZ's direction, issues and remedies. Until that happens, it's only going to contnue as it is.
:weird:

FFS, pick up some phones you goobers.....





I will attend a meeting anywhere anytime Scrivy that someone else arranges, as I am done spending my own money on phone calls just to get voice messages all the time.

[Billy]

The weekly if not daily bad mouthing and general bagging of various individuals associated with our sport is having a huge knock on effect.
Not on the people or organisations you're trying to bring to account but to the very sport you claim to love and support and wish to grow.

What is written here does not stay here in 'kiwibiker' land it travels far and wide and not just within New Zealand. It lands on the desks and screens of team owners, budget holders, sponsors and manufacturers to name but a few.

For the good of our sport can you direct your statements directly to those you have an issue with through the correct channels and leave those of us who are left to continue and try and run our sport free of this self destructing train wreck of a direction it is heading.

Please, I know its just a handful of you perpetuating this but think of the damage you are doing, I hope to god its not your aim to bring our sport down like this but believe me you are.......

http://vimeo.com/10880189


I will attend a meeting anywhere anytime Scrivy that someone else arranges, as I am done spending my own money on phone calls just to get voice messages all the time.

And the quote above as well as Shauns mention of repeated answerphone messages is exactly the stonewall approach these clowns apply consistently, Rather than try and defend ANYTHING I have mentioned, Graham has just tried too make it look like I am the person responsible for the mess the organisation is in, GO FIGURE!!!! The old denial approach, Well get with the program, Ignorance is no excuse.

[scrivy]

For the good of our sport can you direct your statements directly to those you have an issue with through the correct channels and leave those of us who are left to continue and try and run our sport free of this self destructing train wreck of a direction it is heading.

Please, I know its just a handful of you perpetuating this but think of the damage you are doing, I hope to god its not your aim to bring our sport down like this but believe me you are.......

http://vimeo.com/10880189

So you condone MNZ taking 8 weeks to supply a member with GB minutes?? Even after repeated requests?? You realise that is a legal requirement of MNZ to the member?? That was using the channels - but to no avail.

The damage we are doing?? Are you serious?? The blatant disregard for MNZ's members rights from the elected MNZ officers is where the blame and shame should be directed.
Do you not read all of the complaints directed to MNZ officals from MNZ members on here? There are also a shit load of complaints raised by non-KB members towards MNZ also.

No, I understand where you're coming from Graham, but in this instance, the shoe is definitely on the other foot.

[Dave-]

Theres nothing stopping anybody from going racing and in fact I am expecting next years championship to be a ripper, All you really need do is send an email to admin at MNZ and ALL board members and the relevant commissioners expressing your dissatisfaction with the way things are being handled, If they get enough complaints, They will HAVE to act, But too date nowhere near enough members are doing so, I used to get a regular amount and forward them on to no avail, BUT thats cause they were viewed as one complaint as opposed to a large number, Thats all the involvement that should be required

So we need to:

collate everything we're unhappy about.
identify the greatest concerns.
discuss a solution to each
then finally wrap it in an email with a list of the appropriate email addresses.


This allows us to cohesively send a message that cannot be misinterpreted by individual interpretation. For instance, we may all agree that there is a problem, but the way an individual describes that problem might be misinterpreted by officials. This might dilute the argument and cause more frustration.

Yeah?

[scrivy]

Yeah?

.................and then wait................................. :wait:

[Drew]

Ok, who is gonna provide a venue and organise a decent number of members to sit down and go over our concerns?

I will help where I can. But wouldn't have the slightest clue where to begin.

Question. Is this how a mutiny starts?

[ellipsis]

Question. Is this how a mutiny starts?



...calling the governing body on points where they have not subscribed to the correct way to deal with members questions, pleas and constitutional obligations, is not a mutiny...it's called cleaning up OUR shit...if it is not cleaned up, this conversation will still be going on when you've forgotten you used to race a bike/chair...the biggest thing going in their favour is that it never gets past the unhappiness and talking stage... no action=no change...they are not the 'dark lords'...they're just happy to keep it all as it is...why?...fucked if I know...human nature?, the kiwi way?...the Dave- post is the first time I have really ever heard someone come up with a starting grid arrangement...

[Shaun Harris]

I will do what ever go where ever this can take place. I like the idea of Taupo as it is quite central to all the Nth Island at least, and there must be school hall or some thing there that could be rented for a get together brain storm. Of course my vote will not count though as I have been refused a licence due to a Rumour on the internet, but still not heard anything officually nor had my paper work or bank cheque returned.I have requested via email for MNZ to clarify the clause/rule that I have broken for them not to issue me with a licence, but as above, had nothing from them.

[Drew]

My input would have little value. I know Shaun's would have as little.

So. Who should be there?

[scrivy]

My input would have little value. I know Shaun's would have as little.

So. Who should be there?

Are you not an MNZ member?? Are you not a competing member?
Then you have every right to providing your input - any and all input is absolutely vital.

[scrivy]

Hmmm... I like the sound of Taupo.....

I'll even get you and Shaun a room Drew...... :eek5:

[Drew]

Are you not an MNZ member?? Are you not a competing member?
Then you have every right to providing your input - any and all input is absolutely vital.I know my limitations. Keeping multiple issues in oreder and expressing them is not my strongest suit.

Shit, I don't even know half of the problems.

Do we invite the board to this get together?


Hmmm... I like the sound of Taupo.....

I'll even get you and Shaun a room Drew...... :eek5:
I'll stay at yours, but only if I can share a room with you.

[The Chow]

So we need to:

collate everything we're unhappy about.
identify the greatest concerns.
discuss a solution to each
then finally wrap it in an email with a list of the appropriate email addresses.


This allows us to cohesively send a message that cannot be misinterpreted by individual interpretation. For instance, we may all agree that there is a problem, but the way an individual describes that problem might be misinterpreted by officials. This might dilute the argument and cause more frustration.

Yeah?

Ok , I wasn't going to say anything , but the way you guys are going on is that it is only the last three to six years that there has been problems.

The sport has in my forty odd years around it has always had behind the scenes manipulation going on. It is nothing new. The Male and Female ACU/MNZ presidents before the current one have been no better , let alone the CEO's. If you want to do something ORGANISE a special general meeting , so you can air your concerns (then attend it). For fuck sake this tit for tat shit is wearing all the good people within the MNZ organisation down. As I say you have the avenue (if you are a member), My opinion on the cheating confession and penalty what a waste of time and energy from all sides and who cares anyway? I know there has been a bit of pot calling kettle going on. I continue to be involved in some small way , I haven't run away , I'm not 100% happy with the way things are done in the sport at times , but I probably never will be , thats Life.

[Drew]

This could be the most constructive thread ever, in the history of KB.

Provided we follow through. I'm no organiser, someone start doing that and tell me what to do.

[Mental Trousers]

Ok, who is gonna provide a venue and organise a decent number of members to sit down and go over our concerns?

A meeting isn't the first step.


So we need to:

collate everything we're unhappy about.



Collate the issues and more importantly, back everything up with documented proof.

Doing this needs to be done before any sort of meeting takes place, otherwise it turns into a KB thread in real life (big difference being someone might actually get punched in the face).

[Dave-]

I don't think a single meeting in a central location will necessarily work because of the negative side of groupthink (basically a circlejerk). Also a decent chunk of people wouldn't be able to attend. And if you post your group 'findings' on here they might stifle valid ideas of others. But go ahead by all means, just my thoughts.

Instead I would suggest we hold an open forum....on the forums....I don't think this whole 'mutiny' is something that can be done quickly, nor in one session. I think it needs to go through an iterative process of discussion and finalisation.

My suggestion, feel free to expand, discuss or outright disagree:

Step 1)
New Thread, rules:

One post per person answering a few basic broad questions like: what's wrong? why is it wrong? what do you think can be done to fix it?
Edit your one post to refine or update your answer.
After 3 (or some number) weeks the common problems and their potential solutions will be collated.


Step 2)
New Thread/Poll, first post contains the issues, how we think they can be solved. Written in formal language.
3 weeks to vote whether you agree or not (can change vote) after Three (??) weeks, if over 60% (60% more/less?) of the votes are in agreement then those 60% send off the email as it is written in the first post. The remaining % send whatever they want.

6 weeks from today puts us at the 19th of September. Still time to sort shit out?

[jellywrestler]

This could be the most constructive thread ever, in the history of KB.

Provided we follow through. I'm no organiser, someone start doing that and tell me what to do.

why don't you get the meeting to follow straight after the big protest ride to parliament re the new acc cuts on cars, but not bikes. Then you'll have plenty their probably even Ken Mair and that scribble face Tama iti?

[Drew]

I don't think a single meeting in a central location will necessarily work because of the negative side of groupthink (basically a circlejerk). Also a decent chunk of people wouldn't be able to attend. And if you post your group 'findings' on here they might stifle valid ideas of others. But go ahead by all means, just my thoughts.

Instead I would suggest we hold an open forum....on the forums....I don't think this whole 'mutiny' is something that can be done quickly, nor in one session. I think it needs to go through an iterative process of discussion and finalisation.

My suggestion, feel free to expand, discuss or outright disagree:

Step 1)
New Thread, rules:

One post per person answering a few basic broad questions like: what's wrong? why is it wrong? what do you think can be done to fix it?
Edit your one post to refine or update your answer.
After 3 (or some number) weeks the common problems and their potential solutions will be collated.


Step 2)
New Thread/Poll, first post contains the issues, how we think they can be solved. Written in formal language.
3 weeks to vote whether you agree or not (can change vote) after Three (??) weeks, if over 60% (60% more/less?) of the votes are in agreement then those 50% send off the email as it is written in the first post. The remaining % send whatever they want.

6 weeks from today puts us at the 19th of September. Still time to sort shit out?This mother fucker makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Make him boss.

[Drew]

why don't you get the meeting to follow straight after the big protest ride to parliament re the new acc cuts on cars, but not bikes. Then you'll have plenty their probably even Ken Mair and that scribble face Tama iti?

You're not helping.

[jellywrestler]

You're not helping.

right now it looks like nobodies helping.
Go and ask the people that are in the job what why and when and see what they have to say rather than bang it all round here for the same culprits to come out and feed on.
MNZ had their conference here in wellington a few weeks ago, how many local road race licence holders were there to at least observe, if not particapate in the discussions of the future of their sport and past time, i'd hazard a guess at maybe one (in an observer capacity other than those who were club representatives)
I'm no hero but I have an interest in the betterment of the whole game and I trundled along and my word was listened too even though i haven't had an MNZ licence for 15 or so years.
Bleat to the right people and if you get nowhere with them then at least you have some sort of right to air your views further otherwise go away I say.
Tick Tock, Tick Tock.....

[Billy]

right now it looks like nobodies helping.
Go and ask the people that are in the job what why and when and see what they have to say rather than bang it all round here for the same culprits to come out and feed on.
MNZ had their conference here in wellington a few weeks ago, how many local road race licence holders were there to at least observe, if not particapate in the discussions of the future of their sport and past time, i'd hazard a guess at maybe one (in an observer capacity other than those who were club representatives)
I'm no hero but I have an interest in the betterment of the whole game and I trundled along and my word was listened too even though i haven't had an MNZ licence for 15 or so years.
Bleat to the right people and if you get nowhere with them then at least you have some sort of right to air your views further otherwise go away I say.
Tick Tock, Tick Tock.....

Bleat to the right people you say, Well bugger me, Why didn't I think of that before ??? Oh wait......

[Pumba]

......Of course my vote will not count though as I have been refused a licence...

Have they refused you a licence or membership? As there is a difference. Remember you don't need to have a race licence to be a member of MNZ, with full voting rights.

[Shaun Harris]

Have they refused you a licence or membership? As there is a difference. Remember you don't need to have a race licence to be a member of MNZ, with full voting rights.





Good point man

[Mental Trousers]

I don't think a single meeting in a central location will necessarily work because of the negative side of groupthink (basically a circlejerk). Also a decent chunk of people wouldn't be able to attend. And if you post your group 'findings' on here they might stifle valid ideas of others. But go ahead by all means, just my thoughts.

Instead I would suggest we hold an open forum....on the forums....I don't think this whole 'mutiny' is something that can be done quickly, nor in one session. I think it needs to go through an iterative process of discussion and finalisation.

My suggestion, feel free to expand, discuss or outright disagree:

Step 1)
New Thread, rules:

One post per person answering a few basic broad questions like: what's wrong? why is it wrong? what do you think can be done to fix it?
Edit your one post to refine or update your answer.
After 3 (or some number) weeks the common problems and their potential solutions will be collated.


Step 2)
New Thread/Poll, first post contains the issues, how we think they can be solved. Written in formal language.
3 weeks to vote whether you agree or not (can change vote) after Three (??) weeks, if over 60% (60% more/less?) of the votes are in agreement then those 60% send off the email as it is written in the first post. The remaining % send whatever they want.

6 weeks from today puts us at the 19th of September. Still time to sort shit out?

Having done a few of these sorts of things online before I'd suggest the way to go about it is

define the target, eg is it going to be something presented to the AGM or before MNZ elections or will it be something emailed by everyone to MNZ or something else?
defining the target also helps sort out a time line
figure out a team of people that are going to do the collating, if anyone is needed to present stuff, writing it up in formal language, proofing etc
after that, a forum can be established here on KB specifically for discussion


Once things are written up it can go back to everyone for any amendments and to be voted on, then after that presented/emailed/whatever.

[Shaun Harris]

Having done a few of these sorts of things online before I'd suggest the way to go about it is

define the target, eg is it going to be something presented to the AGM or before MNZ elections or will it be something emailed by everyone to MNZ or something else?
defining the target also helps sort out a time line
figure out a team of people that are going to do the collating, if anyone is needed to present stuff, writing it up in formal language, proofing etc
after that, a forum can be established here on KB specifically for discussion


Once things are written up it can go back to everyone for any amendments and to be voted on, then after that presented/emailed/whatever.



This is the kind of logic I was expecting from you Shayne

[Dave-]

Having done a few of these sorts of things online before I'd suggest the way to go about it is

define the target, eg is it going to be something presented to the AGM or before MNZ elections or will it be something emailed by everyone to MNZ or something else?
defining the target also helps sort out a time line
figure out a team of people that are going to do the collating, if anyone is needed to present stuff, writing it up in formal language, proofing etc
after that, a forum can be established here on KB specifically for discussion


Once things are written up it can go back to everyone for any amendments and to be voted on, then after that presented/emailed/whatever.

Billy, I think your direction might be appreciated here.

I think that the target varies a bit based on the outcome of what it is we're unhappy about. And to a certain extent our proposed solution.

[suzuki21]

When you add it to the 3 years I tried to get things changed from within and was ignored.

Your forehead must have been fairly bloodied after your MNZ stint Billy. Suggestions from people to complain don't understand that the particular board "members" (which is another name for board penises) probably wont do jack shit as they obviously are ignored when the commissioner cant even get things rolling. All I want is the MNZ board to follow their own goddamned rules.

[Shaun Harris]

Your forehead must have been fairly bloodied after your MNZ stint Billy. Suggestions from people to complain don't understand that the particular board "members" (which is another name for board penises) probably wont do jack shit as they obviously are ignored when the commissioner cant even get things rolling. All I want is the MNZ board to follow their own goddamned rules.





Never happen with most of the current Board in place

[Billy]

Billy, I think your direction might be appreciated here.

I think that the target varies a bit based on the outcome of what it is we're unhappy about. And to a certain extent our proposed solution.

Yip,

I'll flick you an email with ALL the details over the next couple of days, Motorcycling is not something I want too spend a whole lot of time at the moment, A special general meeting as suggested by the chow would be the best direction for a quick outcome, However I don't like your chances of achieving that, Better to just work on the more important stuff like the Judiciary and stewarding/ Officials commissioner to try and get that sorted before the championship series gets too far along.

[Shaun Harris]

I cannot even get a reply from Jim Tuckerman nor the office any longer, good luck to any one else out there, the whole show is off the rails and not being managed professionally at all. And NO, that is not bringing the sport into disrepute, it is simple FACT!

[nodrog]

I cannot even get a reply from Jim Tuckerman nor the office any longer, good luck to any one else out there, the whole show is off the rails and not being managed professionally at all. And NO, that is not bringing the sport into disrepute, it is simple FACT!

yeah but nobody wants to fucken talk to you.

[Shaun Harris]

yeah but nobody wants to fucken talk to you.




u r always quick to reply though, O thats write, u like to read your own dribble

[scrivy]

u r always quick to reply though, O thats write, u like to read your own dribble

Is that like reading tea leaves????
But Gordie reads his snot left in the tissue.......???:facepalm:

[budda]

Jeez Graham,

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought that was written by Helen Kelly, Heres some REAL facts for you,


3 I have tried on numerous occassions to have things rectified through the correct channels, Including insisting on having the stewards reports forwarded too me which was not the practice until I took over as commissioner,
.

That is an incorrect statement Herr Billington - FACT

[Shaun Harris]

You guys are just trying to get me in more trouble with MNZ, every time I type some thing more negatives come out to play, how is a man supposed to sign an International paying contract without a licence for FFS. So now who is bringing the sport into disreput, them or me

[Billy]

That is an incorrect statement Herr Billington - FACT

Not as I was led to understand by admin twiggy, I asked that the reports were sent too me after EVERY event,( Not that it EVER happened on a regular basis) as when I took over I was informed that previously they were only forwarded to the discipline commissioner in the event of a fatality, If that is incorrect then the fault lies with Admin, Not the commissioner.

[budda]

Not as I was led to understand by admin twiggy, I asked that the reports were sent too me after EVERY event,( Not that it EVER happened on a regular basis) as when I took over I was informed that previously they were only forwarded to the discipline commissioner in the event of a fatality, If that is incorrect then the fault lies with Admin, Not the commissioner.

Sorry mate, couldn't FIND the "tongue in cheek" button on my keyboard.

I WAS receiving reports for a while ( after I asked Admin nicely ) but that tapered off for some reason.
One thing never changed - the reports I received for meetings I'd BEEN AT bore very little resemblance to the day .........

[Shaun Harris]

ADMIN, is that the office staff? as that is my enterpretation of admin

[Billy]

ADMIN, is that the office staff? as that is my enterpretation of admin

Yip,

Sure is

[Shaun Harris]

Yip,

Sure is




O well that makes sense then why you did not get what you had asked for. Admin or Vicky will NOT even reply to my emails re banning me, very very unproffesional and not good for the sport at all.

I am undecided if I should be approaching the sports tribunal or small claims court for loss of income due to there combined actions of bringing the sport into disrepute, but this would end up costing the licence holders and not the people who are really screwing the sport.

[Billy]

Sorry mate, couldn't FIND the "tongue in cheek" button on my keyboard.

One thing never changed - the reports I received for meetings I'd BEEN AT bore very little resemblance to the day .........

Yea,

Its not a new thing and is NOT going too change while some remain involved, It is just not a level playing feild and has not been for sometime now, Not sure why the board would expect the members to risk a protest while the rulebook/Officials commissioner and appeal process are as flawed as they are, Had to laugh while reading the blog site comments and one persons request for more transperancy and that things HAVE too change, Damned straight they do to get rid of the tossers.

On another note, Had a double take watching the news last night and the report on the illegal swimming record that swimming NZ were arrogantly going ahead with despite the pool being not up to "SPEC" Remind you of anybody ?????

[Shaun Harris]

Yea,

Its not a new thing and is NOT going too change while some remain involved, It is just not a level playing feild and has not been for sometime now, Not sure why the board would expect the members to risk a protest while the rulebook/Officials commissioner and appeal process are as flawed as they are, Had to laugh while reading the blog site comments and one persons request for more transperancy and that things HAVE too change, Damned straight they do to get rid of the tossers.

On another note, Had a double take watching the news last night and the report on the illegal swimming record that swimming NZ were arrogantly going ahead with despite the pool being not up to "SPEC" Remind you of anybody ?????




well so far, Mnz;s lack of action and unproffessional actions are a huge talking point on UK and USA Racing web sites, I might be a bit of a shit sterer, but I am 100% a man of principal and there bullshit has just gone to far and I will NOT stop untill they awnser questions like the porffessionals they are supposed to be. I have a contract on offer for next year at the TT and cannot sign because they will not reply, fuckin pathetic of them.

You never forget how to race motorcycles, you just get slower

[budda]

well so far, Mnz;s lack of action and unproffessional actions are a huge talking point on UK and USA Racing web sites, I might be a bit of a shit sterer, but I am 100% a man of principal and there bullshit has just gone to far and I will NOT stop untill they awnser questions like the porffessionals they are supposed to be. I have a contract on offer for next year at the TT and cannot sign because they will not reply, fuckin pathetic of them.

You never forget how to race motorcycles, you just get slower

Presumably you haven't closed the door to you getting a llicence through another route ?

And, devils advocate that I am, might just be that you're not receiving replies from "Admin" as there is nothing to communicate to you until a decision is made Shaun - riding the ladies in the Office doesn't speed the Board up mate ..........

[nodrog]

well so far, Mnz;s lack of action and unproffessional actions are a huge talking point on UK and USA Racing web sites, I might be a bit of a shit sterer, but I am 100% a man of principal and there bullshit has just gone to far and I will NOT stop untill they awnser questions like the porffessionals they are supposed to be. I have a contract on offer for next year at the TT and cannot sign because they will not reply, fuckin pathetic of them.

You never forget how to race motorcycles, you just get slower

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Pmsl!
Emof!

[sidecar bob]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Pmsl!
Emof!

He said Principal not principle you egg. Hes just saying that hes a Headmaster.

[Shaun Harris]

Presumably you haven't closed the door to you getting a llicence through another route ?

And, devils advocate that I am, might just be that you're not receiving replies from "Admin" as there is nothing to communicate to you until a decision is made Shaun - riding the ladies in the Office doesn't speed the Board up mate ..........





Another route is an option of course Budda. But being a kiwi and one who has represented our sport on the world stage in fine fassion over the years makes me just a tad pig headed on this point mate.

I here what you are saying re the office, but when I recieve scarcastic replies to genuine questions to them, I get just a tad testy about there slack response time, especially after asking what clauses etc I am being refused a licence on and getting NO reply at all about it, and it was vicky at the office that first told me via email that I was not to recieve a licence. If you cannot do the job, get out of the kitchen

[Billy]

He said Principal not principle you egg. Hes just saying that hes a Headmaster.

Hahahahaha,

I see what you did there, BJ King LMAO

[Shaun Harris]

I just got a reply. The board will be meeting on the 22nd of August and some one will get back to me as soon as they can after then?



Back to my class rooms now

[Pumba]

......Mnz;s lack of action and unproffessional actions are a huge talking point on UK and USA Racing web sites.......

Mind directing us to these sites you keep taliking about as I am genuinly intersted. My google skills apear weak as I cannot seem to find them or any refernces to MNZ outside of NZ.

[sidecar bob]

You guys are just trying to get me in more trouble with MNZ, every time I type some thing more negatives come out to play, how is a man supposed to sign an International paying contract without a licence for FFS. So now who is bringing the sport into disreput, them or me

Fuck dude, its not like you need any help, youre coping quite well doing that by yourself. Think of any assistance as an added bonus.

[Shaun Harris]

Fuck dude, its not like you need any help, youre coping quite well doing that by yourself. Think of any assistance as an added bonus.





True I guess, but when the ex commisioner of road racing is saying similar things to what I am saying, there MUST be some thing amiss man. And staying quite about it will not fix it

[jasonu]

well so far, Mnz;s lack of action and unproffessional actions are a huge talking point on UK and USA Racing web sites,

Can you post links to these forums.

[Shaun Harris]

Can you post links to these forums.




sorry but NO. I enjoy a little bit of piece on those forums and do a lot of trading on them

[Stirts]

sorry but NO. I enjoy a little bit of piece on those forums and do a lot of trading on them


http://www.abload.de/img/tumblr_lmlssnxesx1qdehoumm.gif


Stop talking out your arse Shaun!!!

I wouldn't it put it past you, if you were in fact the one instigating the "talking points" on those "UK and USA Racing web sites" and "bringing the sport into disrepute"

[nodrog]

I smell sour grapes

[Shaun Harris]

I smell sour grapes




what, you keep them next to your arse hole

[sidecar bob]

sorry but NO. I enjoy a little bit of piece on those forums and do a lot of trading on them

PEACE, PEACE, Its fuckin peace dammit!!

[scrivy]

PEACE, PEACE, Its fuckin peace dammit!!

HE MIGHT LIKE A PEACE OF ASS.....?? You know, the quiet types......:shifty:
Where as you Bob, like a piece of ass.....

[Shaun Harris]

PEACE, PEACE, Its fuckin peace dammit!!




man you must get bored with havin to git on ere and cowect me, but thanks anyway

[jasonu]

sorry but NO. I enjoy a little bit of piece on those forums and do a lot of trading on them

Sounds like bullshit to me.
No one outside NZ gives a fuck about NZ MC racing and they sure as hell are not discussing it on the internet.

[Shaun Harris]

Sounds like bullshit to me.




And why would I give a fuk about what a no name thinks dude

[swarfie]

PEACE, PEACE, Its fuckin peace dammit!!

:killingme:killingme:not::not:

[Drew]

And why would I give a fuk about what a no name thinks dude

Dunno. But bulshit about some elite forum that no one else can find, sorta suggests you do.

Only other forum I've seen where you post, they were telling you to stop talking shit about making a come back.

[Shaun Harris]

Dunno. But bulshit about some elite forum that no one else can find, sorta suggests you do.

Only other forum I've seen where you post, they were telling you to stop talking shit about making a come back.




Lucky for all of us you know everything then dude

[nodrog]

I received my race license the other day.

hows yours coming along shaun?

[sidecar bob]

man you must get bored with havin to git on ere and cowect me, but thanks anyway

Not really. Im a very busy man. Id suggest you are the one thats bored.

[sidecar bob]

I received my race license the other day.

hows yours coming along shaun?

Dude, thats just mean. You know hes not getting one until 2019.

[Shaun Harris]

Haha you guys need to stop feeding this Troll. Hell you all know I am a moron and post randon shit on here all the time for a laugh

[Shaun Harris]

I received my race license the other day.

hows yours coming along shaun?





what are you gunna do with it though man, you dont need a race licence to do what you pretend to do

[nodrog]

what are you gunna do with it though man, you dont need a race licence to do what you pretend to do

I plan on bludging for money, stealing, cheating, ripping cunts off, and generally just being annoying. So don't go selling that trophy cos im going to win it off you.

[Shaun Harris]

I plan on bludging for money, stealing, cheating, ripping cunts off, and generally just being annoying. So don't go selling that trophy cos im going to win it off you.


Bloody good on you I say sir- go hard.

[Shaun Harris]

Man I hate it when it goes quite around here and I have to talk to the other me again

[Kickaha]

I plan on bludging for money, stealing, cheating, ripping cunts off, and generally just being annoying.

You've been to the classes at the "Shaun Harris school of motorcycle racing" then?

[Pumba]

Man I hate it when it goes quite around here and I have to talk to the other me again

Can you set up another account for him then please (or his it her:scratch:). I am never sure which one of you is posting.

[Shaun Harris]

You've been to the classes at the "Shaun Harris school of motorcycle racing" then?




they are great actually,cause if you do well at them, you can get invites to weddings of all the people you have lied to and ripped off, I love that lasting part of it and getting to eat there food and drink there drinks after ripping them all off, cunning eh that long term plan of mine.

[Shaun Harris]

Can you set up another account for him then please (or his it her:scratch:). I am never sure which one of you is posting.




neither are we actually

[old rig]

I smell sour grapes

hahaha there not sour grapes they are hemorroides you get them for pushing shit to hard

[Shaun Harris]

hahaha there not sour grapes they are hemorroides you get them for pushing shit to hard





must be talking about some one else then, as you all know it just falls out of me

[RobGassit]

Originally Posted by old rig
hahaha there not sour grapes they are hemorroides you get them for pushing shit to hard





must be talking about some one else then, as you all know it just falls out of me


Ok everyone, I saw it first so I hereby nominate Shaun for the quote of the millennium.

[Shaun Harris]

Originally Posted by old rig
hahaha there not sour grapes they are hemorroides you get them for pushing shit to hard







Ok everyone, I saw it first so I hereby nominate Shaun for the quote of the millennium.







1 of me will 2nd that



Hey, some one has to give these boring fuks on here some thing or some one to laugh at


Speaking of, where the hell is Robert Taylor these days---- Hush your mouth Drew, I know you man love him

[Billy]

Billy, I think your direction might be appreciated here.

I think that the target varies a bit based on the outcome of what it is we're unhappy about. And to a certain extent our proposed solution.

Okay,

So change of plan, Having put together a list for you to deal with, I have since been approached by some involved with the running of the org and have decided to put my concerns to the Board and admin ONE more time, Although I'm not expecting a response, I have also been approached by a member of the press who is interested in having a chat, Anybody who saw the write up in the Herald last weekend in regard to the Motocross of Nations will have some idea the problems facing those trying to improve the image of motorcycling, To read what Josh Coppins and Ben Townley had to say, Certainly sounded familiar.

[Pumba]

For those (like me) that missed the article that Billy is refering to and want to have a read

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11309379

[Mental Trousers]

Okay,

So change of plan, Having put together a list for you to deal with, I have since been approached by some involved with the running of the org and have decided to put my concerns to the Board and admin ONE more time, Although I'm not expecting a response, I have also been approached by a member of the press who is interested in having a chat, Anybody who saw the write up in the Herald last weekend in regard to the Motocross of Nations will have some idea the problems facing those trying to improve the image of motorcycling, To read what Josh Coppins and Ben Townley had to say, Certainly sounded familiar.

Definitely let us know how that goes.

[scrivy]

For those (like me) that missed the article that Billy is refering to and want to have a read

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11309379

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::brick::brick::brick ::scratch::scratch::scratch:

[Skunk]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::brick::brick::brick ::scratch::scratch::scratch:

What do you mean?


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Billy]

What do you mean?


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

Its his Jackie Chan impression......I think, Couldn't be anything else....could it????

[Skunk]

Its his Jackie Chan impression......I think, Couldn't be anything else....could it????

Dandruff maybe?


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[scrivy]

Dandruff maybe?


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

Ya both wrong....

Have a headache, bang it against a wall, still didn't fix it.... or did it??? :shifty:

[budda]

For those (like me) that missed the article that Billy is refering to and want to have a read

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11309379

Hmmmmm, not entirely inaccurate, but filtered nonetheless ........

[scott411]

Hmmmmm, not entirely inaccurate, but filtered nonetheless ........

Explain how you think it is not accurate?

[suzuki21]

Okay,

So change of plan, Having put together a list for you to deal with, I have since been approached by some involved with the running of the org and have decided to put my concerns to the Board and admin ONE more time, Although I'm not expecting a response, I have also been approached by a member of the press who is interested in having a chat, Anybody who saw the write up in the Herald last weekend in regard to the Motocross of Nations will have some idea the problems facing those trying to improve the image of motorcycling, To read what Josh Coppins and Ben Townley had to say, Certainly sounded familiar.

Just read it, how embarrassing for the sport these false accusations are. MNZ no doubt will issue a press statement to re-assure licence holders that the sport is on the right track, and prove to the public the organisation isn't a basket case. I am so pleased we have a board that is steering motorcycle sport in the right direction, we wouldn't want the likes of the Herald article spreading malicious rumours which may cause denial of sponsorship $$$$. Because if an organisation done things like that who would want to sponsor the sport?

[suzuki21]

Explain how you think it is not accurate?

He said "not entirely innacurate" - most of it is accurate. I assume by filtered he meant the article was tamed down?

[scrivy]

Just read it, how embarrassing for the sport these false accusations are. MNZ no doubt will issue a press statement to re-assure licence holders that the sport is on the right track, and prove to the public the organisation isn't a basket case. I am so pleased we have a board that is steering motorcycle sport in the right direction, we wouldn't want the likes of the Herald article spreading malicious rumours which may cause denial of sponsorship $$$$. Because if an organisation done things like that who would want to sponsor the sport?

:sick: <---- Actually supposed to be a person holding their breath!! But I wouldn't be doing it!


:corn:

[Billy]

Just read it, how embarrassing for the sport these false accusations are. MNZ no doubt will issue a press statement to re-assure licence holders that the sport is on the right track, and prove to the public the organisation isn't a basket case. I am so pleased we have a board that is steering motorcycle sport in the right direction, we wouldn't want the likes of the Herald article spreading malicious rumours which may cause denial of sponsorship $$$$. Because if an organisation done things like that who would want to sponsor the sport?

False accusations hahahaha,

No wonder we nicknamed you "Stupid from planet Stupider", You'd laugh at the rumored penalties suggested for the 2 members who spoke out, Especially considering who they are and what theyve done for NZ on the world stage, Theres some mindboggling decisions being made at present and all the while, The members who do the most damage are left to carry on.

By sponsorship $$$$$ are you referring to the paltry amount(Way less than $2000) contributed by a board member to gain a naming rights position on all advertising for NZSBK 2014 for his private company as opposed to the $30,000 that used to be provided by an oil company ??? Cause if so, It may be too late already.

[budda]

For those (like me) that missed the article that Billy is refering to and want to have a read

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=11309379

Team announcement up on MNZ site now ..........

[Billy]

Team announcement up on MNZ site now ..........

Hahaha

Wonder if the Herald write up had anything to do with that? Or am I just being cynical, What about flights,accom and more importantly machinery for them to compete on ????

[budda]

Hahaha

Wonder if the Herald write up had anything to do with that? Or am I just being cynical, What about flights,accom and more importantly machinery for them to compete on ????

Have a look, ya cynical old has been

[scott411]

Hahaha

Wonder if the Herald write up had anything to do with that? Or am I just being cynical, What about flights,accom and more importantly machinery for them to compete on ????

No rush mate, only 5 weeks to go, and Latvia is not that hard to get to,

[suzuki21]

False accusations hahahaha,

No wonder we nicknamed you "Stupid from planet Stupider", You'd laugh at the rumored penalties suggested for the 2 members who spoke out, Especially considering who they are and what theyve done for NZ on the world stage, Theres some mindboggling decisions being made at present and all the while, The members who do the most damage are left to carry on.

By sponsorship $$$$$ are you referring to the paltry amount(Way less than $2000) contributed by a board member to gain a naming rights position on all advertising for NZSBK 2014 for his private company as opposed to the $30,000 that used to be provided by an oil company ??? Cause if so, It may be too late already.

Yes I'm stupid but not THAT stupid, I was taking the piss. The sponsorship you mention I didn't know about, but cant have happened like that as that is fraudulent behaviour and the board would stop that immediately (taking the piss again). The only way they will be given the arse is for licence holders to actually make the effort and vote them out. Regarding the 2 members, they must be devastated and disheartened after everything they have done for NZ motorcycling. It seems the board is attacking everyone/everything as they are desperate to hold on to power.

[Shaun Harris]

Stop being so negative you Fulla's

[sidecar bob]

Stop being so negative you Fulla's

Oh the irony. Piss of ya fuckin cheat.

[Drew]

Stop being so negative you Fulla's

Bugger. I thought the blunt signature had worked.

I was wrong.

[Shaun Harris]

Bugger. I thought the blunt signature had worked.

I was wrong.







Bugger to be wrong some times eh

[Billy]

Oh the irony. Piss of ya fuckin cheat.

Jeez, Not so loud, Half the roadrace champions just left the country hahahaha

[bluninja]

Jeez, Not so loud, Half the roadrace champions just left the country hahahaha

Are they heading to Latvia ? :banana:

[Shaun Harris]

Jeez, Not so loud, Half the roadrace champions just left the country hahahaha




Haha I just choose to ignore comments from wana bees like him that come up with exscuses for why they were so slow way back when. he is and was only any good at getting around fast as a passenger

[sidecar bob]

Haha I just choose to ignore comments from wana bees like him that come up with exscuses for why they were so slow way back when. he is and was only any good at getting around fast as a passenger

Every week I constantly think you could not behave like a bigger fuckwit, & every week you just raise the bar another notch.
No excuses, I tried, you cheated, I went off & bought & ran a very sucessful business that I still have, raised a family & came back for a few laughs.
I dont see that you beat me anywhere except in the enviroment that you cheated in.
And for what its worth, im currently on track to win pre '76 open post classic on a completely stock standard road bike with electric start & street tyres, putting it on the front row next to Tyler Lincoln on a hotrod Norton at the last meeting.

[Shaun Harris]

Every week I constantly think you could not behave like a bigger fuckwit, & every week you just raise the bar another notch.
No excuses, I tried, you cheated, I went off & bought & ran a very sucessful business that I still have, raised a family & came back for a few laughs.
I dont see that you beat me anywhere except in the enviroment that you cheated in.



Again NO proof to nothing dude, and every thing on my 750J was 100% legal! just your crapp as per usual. Would you say the same thing to a multi NZ champ with an illegal bike that could be proved with one simple Photo that all the so called experts never picked up on during scruitineering nor other competitors with protests? You really have no idea what you are talking about apart from the fact we do not like each other due to me making it obvious that I think you are a fuk wit but o well ho hum

[Shaun Harris]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130764186



And for what its worth, im currently on track to win pre '76 open post classic on a completely stock standard road bike with electric start & street tyres, putting it on the front row next to Tyler Lincoln on a hotrod Norton at the last meeting.[/QUOTE]





Hahahaha NOW who is the attention seeker you dick licker hahahah.

[sidecar bob]

Hahahaha NOW who is the attention seeker you dick licker hahahah.

No, apparently Im a has been thats only ever been any good on a sidecar. I was merely correcting you.
If I was even remotely serious about winning the title I would probably unbolt the main stand. I couldnt really give a fuck. At classic meetings, im just filling in the day while hanging out with my wife while she passengers for her brother.

[sidecar bob]

Again NO proof to nothing dude, and every thing on my 750J was 100% legal! just your crapp as per usual. Would you say the same thing to a multi NZ champ with an illegal bike that could be proved with one simple Photo that all the so called experts never picked up on during scruitineering nor other competitors with protests? You really have no idea what you are talking about apart from the fact we do not like each other due to me making it obvious that I think you are a fuk wit but o well ho hum

So a month ago it had hot cams & various other mods by your own admission, plus modified forks, now its stock standard.
You need to face it, you really are fucked.
Of all the people that think im a fuckwit, you would be the one im most likley not to be taking corrective measures with.

[Shaun Harris]

So a month ago it had hot cams & various other mods by your own admission, plus modified forks, now its stock standard.
You need to face it, you really are fucked.




Now you are getting seriously mixed up or just back to normal maybe. The 750J that I kicked your ass and Robbie Deans and Glen williams ( The old original one) on was built to legal specs, and what were the class rules in 1988 dude? if your memory for facts can go back that far.


The forks were mentioned re the 600 in 2003, and yes they were used on the street in the f2 classes but not in the NZ champs, so again I say, NO PROOF buddy.

Now go and play at being happy beating a young learner rider, and be very very proud of your effort and please stay safe.

[nodrog]

Again NO proof to nothing dude, and every thing on my 750J was 100% legal! just your crapp as per usual. Would you say the same thing to a multi NZ champ with an illegal bike that could be proved with one simple Photo that all the so called experts never picked up on during scruitineering nor other competitors with protests? You really have no idea what you are talking about apart from the fact we do not like each other due to me making it obvious that I think you are a fuk wit but o well ho hum

Shaun can you give me a ring on 04 472 3795, I need to chat regarding what's happening with your race license.

[Shaun Harris]

Shaun can you give me a ring on 04 472 3795, I need to chat regarding what's happening with your race license.







You will get to read about it all very soon in the press mate, but thanks for the interests mate haha "NOT"

[sidecar bob]

Now you are getting seriously mixed up or just back to normal maybe. The 750J that I kicked your ass and Robbie Deans and Glen williams ( The old original one) on was built to legal specs, and what were the class rules in 1988 dude? if your memory for facts can go back that far.


The forks were mentioned re the 600 in 2003, and yes they were used on the street in the f2 classes but not in the NZ champs, so again I say, NO PROOF buddy.

Now go and play at being happy beating a young learner rider, and be very very proud of your effort and please stay safe.

Yeah, I see you removed the post you put up on the "I Cheated" thread admitting to what was done to the 750J you sniveling piece of shit.

[nodrog]

You will get to read about it all very soon in the press mate, but thanks for the interests mate haha "NOT"

I see its out already.

http://covers.lovereading4kids.co.uk/gardimg/200/9781405262217.jpg

[Shaun Harris]

Yeah, I see you removed the post you put up on the "I Cheated" thread admitting to what was done to the 750J you sniveling piece of shit.





Assumpsions can be a killer eh. I actually asked for it to be locked as there were a lot of over seas folks reading it which would not have done the image of bike racing in NZ any good at all, so once again I did some thing good for the sport, but please you carry on thinking you are correct with all things.


And just to enlighten your sad tired old mind, F1 Was the rules in 1998 dude, NOT production, again FACT!


PS, I have no problem with being called and classed a cheat if it makes the commitee look at the sport and improve ways of doing some proper checks on bike legallities to make it fairer for all involved, what have you done lately to try and help OUR sport Bro at your own cost

You are just to easy to play with by letting your comments be controlled by your dislike of me instead of fact

[nodrog]

Assumpsions can be a killer eh. I actually asked for it to be locked as there were a lot of over seas folks reading it which would not have done the image of bike racing in NZ any good at all, so once again I did some thing good for the sport, but please you carry on thinking you are correct with all things.


And just to enlighten your sad tired old mind, F1 Was the rules in 1998 dude, NOT production, again FACT!


PS, I have no problem with being called and classed a cheat if it makes the commitee look at the sport and improve ways of doing some proper checks on bike legallities to make it fairer for all involved, what have you done lately to try and help OUR sport Bro at your own cost

You are just to easy to play with by letting your comments be controlled by your dislike of me instead of fact

http://www.troll.me/images/retard-superman/feel-like-superman.jpg

[sidecar bob]

what have you done lately to try and help OUR sport Bro at your own cost


Edit, upon reflection I feel it is extremely bad form to ask what somebody spends their money on, & probably equally bad form to give you such a detailed answer. The correct answer is that it's none of your business.

[Shaun Harris]

Fuck, where do I start. Id rather not say to protect the privacy of those ive assisted.
I think most people know by now that I give Jay a fully funded ride on a very competitive machine including every single thing including entry fees, but excluding tyres, which he is in a very good position to provide for himself according to his needs.
I also provide most of the financial backing for at least one other sidecar team that I am not a competitor on. The rest is none of anyones business.
I dont feel the need to plaster either my own name, or my business name on any of the machines or competitors I support, so nobody but myself & my wife actually know what the go really is.





Once again you only see what you want to see. I said for the sport ie "FOR ALL" involved to try and make if fairer, not just for your friends. And I do like and respect Jay and good on you for supporting him and others

[sidecar bob]

Once again you only see what you want to see. I said for the sport ie "FOR ALL" involved to try and make if fairer, not just for your friends. And I do like and respect Jay and good on you for supporting him and others

So filling grids is not helping? Ok then.
Incidentally, Jay & I were barely known to each other when I identified his incredible natural talent & elected to support him. We have since become close friends, so it was not a matter of "helping my chums"
I've recently singlehandedley drafted the rules for the pre '82 sidecar class, so hopefully that meets your criteria of doing something that helps the sport for all.

[scrivy]

Of all the people that think im a fuckwit, you would be the one im most likley not to be taking corrective measures with.

What about me you homo??
You suck on two wheels, and are only below average on three...........

Pussy.



:whistle::corn::devil2:

[sidecar bob]

What about me you homo??
You suck on two wheels, and are only below average on three...........

Pussy.



:whistle::corn::devil2:

If you could actually operate a sidecar without riding it into the side of a shipping container with me on it you would be in a far better position to criticise. :brick: that's you hitting your head on the container.

[Shaun Harris]

So filling grids is not helping? Ok then.
Incidentally, Jay & I were barely known to each other when I identified his incredible natural talent & elected to support him. We have since become close friends, so it was not a matter of "helping my chums"
I've recently singlehandedley drafted the rules for the pre '82 sidecar class, so hopefully that meets your criteria of doing something that helps the sport for all.




You are getting good at remembering things after you have already posted and editing them later on, guess old age and dementia does kick in at some stage

[scrivy]

So filling grids is not helping? Ok then.
I've recently singlehandedley drafted the rules for the pre '82 sidecar class, so hopefully that meets your criteria of doing something that helps the sport for all.

......how many hours did you put in to make the TRRS successful?
......how many hours do you put in to make the sidecar 'Have-a-go day' successful?
......how much of your own money did you spend to give competitors free methanol at the 'Hagds'?
......how much of your own money did you spend to buy drinks for people at the 'hagd'?
......did you support the BSTT in Aussie to get the Aussie members out here for our class and other classes to enjoy?
......did you manage the gate and shop at the HD BSTT?
......did you not help draft an oil containment policy for sidecars?
......have you not dragged others trailers around NZ for them?
......have you not spent your time loading /unloading containers of machines when others weren't present?
......did you not give your sidecar to some Aussies to use for nothing?
......do you not own, fully prepare and maintain a highly competitive pre 82 race bike for someone else?
......have you not spent your valuable time at EVERY meeting that you have done to do sidecar scrutineering for others enjoyment?
......have you not had other competitors bits and pieces in your pits to fix at every meeting you have been to?
......have you not driven around the country time and time again to take others to meetings, and to practice days too, even when you weren't racing?
......have you not supplied free beers to competitors at race meetings after dos?
......have you or have you not helped fund/support a down on his luck totally genuine good bastard (that I am in total awe of) that provides entertainment to all at every meeting he does?
......have you not paid peoples day licences for them without their knowledge?
......have you rebuilt other peoples engines before, and never received a payment at all....??
......have you allowed others to take parts off your race bikes to keep them mobile, and not return the original item?
......have you got a single sponsors sticker on any competitors machine that you have helped/sponsored/owned??

You know what Bob, you sir are a fucken selfish cunt!
You can take that pink fucken sidecar that you offered to me to ride for free, and stick it up your ass!!
....and you made me risk my life to race that uncompetitive BMW sidecar, just so you could have fun.
You ungrateful prick.

[Grumph]

I've recently singlehandedley drafted the rules for the pre '82 sidecar class, so hopefully that meets your criteria of doing something that helps the sport for all.

At last, something relevant....i'd love to see the draft of those rules, plenty of potential minefields there....

[scrivy]

If you could actually operate a sidecar without riding it into the side of a shipping container with me on it you would be in a far better position to criticise. :brick: that's you hitting your head on the container.

Are you saying I have a brain injury too???:shifty:

[Kickaha]

Are you saying I have a brain injury too???:shifty:

You had that long before you hit that container

[scrivy]

You had that long before you hit that container

Maybe why I hit the container....... :bleh:

[sidecar bob]

At last, something relevant....i'd love to see the draft of those rules, plenty of potential minefields there....

They were in the newsletter, I shall put them in the next newsletter & maybe send them to all on the list again.
Our engines will be virtually same spec as pre 82 solo.

[sidecar bob]

......how many hours did you put in to make the TRRS successful?
......how many hours do you put in to make the sidecar 'Have-a-go day' successful?
......how much of your own money did you spend to give competitors free methanol at the 'Hagds'?
......how much of your own money did you spend to buy drinks for people at the 'hagd'?
......did you support the BSTT in Aussie to get the Aussie members out here for our class and other classes to enjoy?
......did you manage the gate and shop at the HD BSTT?
......did you not help draft an oil containment policy for sidecars?
......have you not dragged others trailers around NZ for them?
......did you not give your sidecar to some Aussies to use for nothing?
......have you not spent your valuable time at EVERY meeting that you have done to do sidecar scrutineering for others enjoyment?
......have you not had other competitors bits and pieces in your pits to fix at every meeting you have been to?
......have you not driven around the country time and time again to take others to meetings, and to practice days too, even when you weren't racing?
......have you or have you not helped fund/support a down on his luck totally genuine good bastard (that I am in total awe of) that provides entertainment to all at every meeting he does?
......have you not paid peoples day licences for them without their knowledge?
......have you rebuilt other peoples engines before, and never received a payment at all....??
......have you got a single sponsors sticker on any competitors machine that you have helped/sponsored/owned??

You know what Bob, you sir are a fucken selfish cunt!
You can take that pink fucken sidecar that you offered to me to ride for free, and stick it up your ass!!
....and you made me risk my life to race that uncompetitive BMW sidecar, just so you could have fun.
You ungrateful prick.
I'd say everybody could make a list like that. What about spyda & you. It's not unusual if you're passionate about something.

[Billy]

Meanwhile,

New rules come into effect in 6 days time (Not sure how that fits in without a rulechange) and theyre STILL not available ?????

[Kickaha]

Assumpsions can be a killer eh. I actually asked for it to be locked as there were a lot of over seas folks reading it which would not have done the image of bike racing in NZ any good at all, so once again I did some thing good for the sport, but please you carry on thinking you are correct with all things.

If you were at all worried about the image of bike racing in NZ you wouldn't have started it in the first place, if you got it locked it wasn't for the good of the sport it was for the good of Shaun Harris

[Skunk]

Meanwhile,

New rules come into effect in 6 days time (Not sure how that fits in without a rulechange) and theyre STILL not available ?????

Really? Just as well there's no racing going on in the next few months then.

[Shaun Harris]

Really? Just as well there's no racing going on in the next few months then.





Do not Panick Skunk, the old boys network are very wise and there will be an acceptable reason behind there RULE breaking DOCUMENTED actions. But maybe a Thourough Investigation into it is order, O hang on, the board are kinda like the police and would be investigating them selves so it will take about 6 months to act on it and then you can gaurantee what the result would be. Miss managed and breaking the structured set up process, kinda like bringing the sport into disrepute really as it makes it look very micky mouse. Wonder how many new parts are required for bikes based on safety reasons etc

[Skunk]

Wonder how many new parts are required for bikes based on safety reasons etc

Only those parts the Board are sure can be supplied I'm sure.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[Drew]

Yay, another shit fight to get into.

[ellipsis]

Yay, another shit fight to get into.


...only if you feel the need to be pissing into the wind...

[swarfie]

Yay, another shit fight to get into.

You're good at that :lol::not:

[Reckless]

Meanwhile,

New rules come into effect in 6 days time (Not sure how that fits in without a rulechange) and theyre STILL not available ?????

Here ya go

http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/Newsletters/mnz-rule-changes---to-be-linked.pdf?sfvrsn=2

[Skunk]

Not too much to do in a week.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[nodrog]

I wish I sold engine case protectors.

[Pumba]

From MNZ website


Proposed rule changes were placed on the MNZ website, after feedback the Commissioners reviewed their proposed rules and in some instances changes were made. The rules then went to the MNZ Board for ratification.

As previously advised there has been a delay with the implementation of the rules, we sought clarification around the legality of the delay and be assured there are no implications to anyone around the delay.

A summary of the rule changes (in rule order to assist you) are available by clicking here.

The updates to manuals are being sent to all officials, and competitors that have manuals. The changes to the chapters will also be placed on the MNZ website – under Regulations/Rules on the 1st of September.

[Billy]

I wish I sold engine case protectors.

Assuming that was a slant at the board member who DOES sell engine case protectors, It was ME who proposed that rulechange and in fact I proposed it last year but it was not ratified in time, That board member had NO influence at all in the process, I selected SOME changes I thought we could use out of the MA rule book and that was one of them, There are other issues with some board members, But that is not one of them.

[nodrog]

Assuming that was a slant at the board member who DOES sell engine case protectors, It was ME who proposed that rulechange and in fact I proposed it last year but it was not ratified in time, That board member had NO influence at all in the process, I selected SOME changes I thought we could use out of the MA rule book and that was one of them, There are other issues with some board members, But that is not one of them.

I have no idea of what you are going on about. I got the email, Then while looking on Trademe Happened to see the price of some case covers, a Bloke Could retire after selling a few of those.

does it apply to sidecars?

[sidecar bob]

Assuming that was a slant at the board member who DOES sell engine case protectors, It was ME who proposed that rulechange and in fact I proposed it last year but it was not ratified in time, That board member had NO influence at all in the process, I selected SOME changes I thought we could use out of the MA rule book and that was one of them, There are other issues with some board members, But that is not one of them.

See up until now most of us didn't know a board member was in the case protector business, but it's very interesting.
Next thing you will say there's a TV producer on the board & there's a push to swap our prize money for TV coverage.

[Dave-]

Rule 22.3.1 a & b moved from 22.8.16 a & b
“a – when the riders have lined up on the grid they are deemed to be under the starters control at
the instant the RED FLAG reaches the side of the track. Any motorcycle that moves in a forward
motion whilst under the starters control shall be deemed a jump start.”

This rule still makes no sense in the English language.

But in 2015 if anyone jumps the start they can argue that they were only under the starters control the instant the flag was at the side of the track. They're not under the starters control while the flag is on track, off track or holidaying in Fiji.

So long as you don't more forward the instant the flag is at the side of the track, you're free to begin the race whenever.

[quickbuck]

This rule still makes no sense in the English language.

But in 2015 if anyone jumps the start they can argue that they were only under the starters control the instant the flag was at the side of the track. They're not under the starters control while the flag is on track, off track or holidaying in Fiji.

So long as you don't more forward the instant the flag is at the side of the track, you're free to begin the race whenever.

Um, yeah, there appears to be a bit missing as to when you are released from starters control.... We all know when that is, but yeah, fair point....

Should say "FROM", not "AT" maybe??

[GD66]

A few goodies in amongst those rules, REALLY like the $400 fine for running out of gas...bet that was instigated by a mechanic on 10% of the winning prize money...:clap:


* Hands-up : FWIW I berated idiots for years for running out of gas, then finally one state championship day when running two bikes , and after racing for 17 years, finally did it myself...sigh...

[Billy]

A few goodies in amongst those rules, REALLY like the $400 fine for running out of gas...bet that was instigated by a mechanic on 10% of the winning prize money...:clap:


* Hands-up : FWIW I berated idiots for years for running out of gas, then finally one state championship day when running two bikes , and after racing for 17 years, finally did it myself...sigh...

Haha, Nope,

I introduced the running out of fuel rule last year but stupidly I had only applied it to races and not included qualifying and practice, It came from a coroners recommendation following the double fatality at Puke in 2008 that the then commissioner and his dogsbody ignored, Unfortunately for all, The police investigation following the 2012 fatality at Manfeild picked up on the fact, So I instigated it, Best move I made as commissioner, Especially including the punishment in the rule so the "Expert" officials who fail in their duties on a regular basis had to impose it, Thats when they bother to enforce any rules of course.

[Billy]

I have no idea of what you are going on about. I got the email, Then while looking on Trademe Happened to see the price of some case covers, a Bloke Could retire after selling a few of those.

does it apply to sidecars?

My apologies then, I assumed you had picked up others comments earlier and was just clarifying that in this case it was me and not the said board member that had proposed the change, No it should read "In the event the cases can make contact in the event of a crash", However as I have not been involved in the ratification process and have not read the new rules, I would suggest you read through just to be sure.

[Billy]

See up until now most of us didn't know a board member was in the case protector business, but it's very interesting.
Next thing you will say there's a TV producer on the board & there's a push to swap our prize money for TV coverage.

Hahaha,

TV producer might be stretching it some, I think you mean he had shares in a production company, But I get where your coming from, Also the prizemoney was used for the advertisment of the rounds, Not the coverage. Depending on which story you believe, Took me a LOT of digging to get even close to the truth

[Billy]

This rule still makes no sense in the English language.

But in 2015 if anyone jumps the start they can argue that they were only under the starters control the instant the flag was at the side of the track. They're not under the starters control while the flag is on track, off track or holidaying in Fiji.

So long as you don't more forward the instant the flag is at the side of the track, you're free to begin the race whenever.

Yip,

The original rulechange proposal was "under the starters control", You'll need to talk to the board or standing rules committee re the wording there after.

[Shaun Harris]

Assuming that was a slant at the board member who DOES sell engine case protectors, It was ME who proposed that rulechange and in fact I proposed it last year but it was not ratified in time, That board member had NO influence at all in the process, I selected SOME changes I thought we could use out of the MA rule book and that was one of them, There are other issues with some board members, But that is not one of them.






The board member/s must have listened well to you then, as one of them actually telephoned many months ago asking why I had posted on here that he should stand down due to conflict of interest. And at the end of that converstaion we discussed the rule of engine cases coming in and I said I had purchased some Yoshimura engine case covers and he told me that they would NOT surfice with the new rule coming.

Now was that comment a ales pitch or a safety thought on his behalf

[Yow Ling]

Haha, Nope,

I introduced the running out of fuel rule last year but stupidly I had only applied it to races and not included qualifying and practice, It came from a coroners recommendation following the double fatality at Puke in 2008 that the then commissioner and his dogsbody ignored, Unfortunately for all, The police investigation following the 2012 fatality at Manfeild picked up on the fact, So I instigated it, Best move I made as commissioner, Especially including the punishment in the rule so the "Expert" officials who fail in their duties on a regular basis had to impose it, Thats when they bother to enforce any rules of course.

I have no problem with the intent of the fuel rule, the penalty is strange though, "a fine of not less than $400", so if you are a cock its $900, if you look rich its $1500. whats that all about ?

[Grumph]

I'm looking forward to seeing the final version of 25.1 (C) as the alterations omit parts a,b,c,d,and e. These are the interesting bits including machines specifically excluded from various periods.....Maybe Z1's are now eligible for pre 72 ? Whoopee !!

[scracha]

So shite old classics and posties bikes don't need sharks fins, crash protectors and fluid catching fairings?

Yee haw.

[Billy]

So shite old classics and posties bikes don't need sharks fins, crash protectors and fluid catching fairings?

Yee haw.

I thought they did and the rule proposal was for all, But apparently that has not happened

[Billy]

I have no problem with the intent of the fuel rule, the penalty is strange though, "a fine of not less than $400", so if you are a cock its $900, if you look rich its $1500. whats that all about ?

Again, Thats not what I proposed, The proposed rule was "A minimum $400 fine for the FIRST offence" Talk to admin or the standing rules committee

[Billy]

I'm looking forward to seeing the final version of 25.1 (C) as the alterations omit parts a,b,c,d,and e. These are the interesting bits including machines specifically excluded from various periods.....Maybe Z1's are now eligible for pre 72 ? Whoopee !!

Haha,

Nope I'm pretty sure that'll be the "Oldboys" club desperate attempt at omitting certain models from Pre 89, Despite the fact they didn't even consult members of their own group, Let alone the rest of the country, To even it up and make it a level playing field.....apparently, Like Pre 82 is, Anybody see which way the McIntosh went, What a joke, Way to fuck a sport MNZ, Appendix F radiator rule is just laughable as well,In fact theyve fucked most of them up,Go figure

[budda]

This rule still makes no sense in the English language.

But in 2015 if anyone jumps the start they can argue that they were only under the starters control the instant the flag was at the side of the track. They're not under the starters control while the flag is on track, off track or holidaying in Fiji.

So long as you don't more forward the instant the flag is at the side of the track, you're free to begin the race whenever.

and THAT is why good people have put many many hours into the wording of some of our rules ....... unfortunately they aften get changed by folks with absolutely no comprehension of how the change may affect other instances, sort of a bad by-catch scenario. Also known, in the Trade, as SNAFU

[sidecar bob]

I thought they did and the rule proposal was for all, But apparently that has not happened

I took my pre '82 to Aussie & we had to spend half a day wiring bolts that didnt need wiring here at the time & attatching a shark fin.
id say just do it, rules or not.

[Billy]

I took my pre '82 to Aussie & we had to spend half a day wiring bolts that didnt need wiring here at the time & attatching a shark fin.
id say just do it, rules or not.

Yip,

Aside from the sharksfin, I always have wired everything anyway, It just makes sense to eliminate any risk possible, Same with the running out of fuel rule, Why would you go out without enough fuel to finish a race, You wouldn't go out with a rapidly deflating front tyre or a flat battery, Sometimes you just have to introduce rules to stop the idiots from hurting themselves, Unfortunately at MNZ there are idiots on both sides of the fence, Time to get rid of some of the self confessed experts that are not administering the rules in a reasonable and safe manner, I was informed of several such instances at HD last Sunday.

[Grumph]

Haha,

Nope I'm pretty sure that'll be the "Oldboys" club desperate attempt at omitting certain models from Pre 89, Despite the fact they didn't even consult members of their own group, Let alone the rest of the country, To even it up and make it a level playing field.....apparently, Like Pre 82 is, Anybody see which way the McIntosh went, What a joke, Way to fuck a sport MNZ, Appendix F radiator rule is just laughable as well,In fact theyve fucked most of them up,Go figure

Have to see what comes up on Sept 1 but if they do omit all the sub clauses - whether deliberately or in error - it fucks up all 3 post classic classes good and proper. If as you suggest there's likely to be more specified for pre 89, then where are they ? As i understand it, if it ain't here, it ain't in...

From what I can see - and what I get told off the record - it seems that someone with an agenda looked over the proposed rule changes which had gone through the proper process - and audited them to suit their own purposes....

I'd love to see some names attatched to deeds .

[budda]

From what I can see - and what I get told off the record - it seems that someone with an agenda looked over the proposed rule changes which had gone through the proper process - and audited them to suit their own purposes....

I'd love to see some names attatched to deeds .

Your Coke bottle bottoms are spot-on Sir - as predicted .........:no:

[Shaun Harris]

Have to see what comes up on Sept 1 but if they do omit all the sub clauses - whether deliberately or in error - it fucks up all 3 post classic classes good and proper. If as you suggest there's likely to be more specified for pre 89, then where are they ? As i understand it, if it ain't here, it ain't in...

From what I can see - and what I get told off the record - it seems that someone with an agenda looked over the proposed rule changes which had gone through the proper process - and audited them to suit their own purposes....

I'd love to see some names attatched to deeds .







To busy making $ paddling in 2 poolsat once and threatening to Enforce Bans of extreme messures to show there power rather than focusing on the true positions they accepted to administer on behalf of the Licence holders, the Owners of MNZ!

[sidecar bob]

Recently, a trade organisation i am involved with put a business troubleshooter through head office. Everybody had their contract cancelled & new blood was introduced to remedey what was described as a rancid culture. I wonder if this is what is needed here.

[old rig]

I took my pre '82 to Aussie & we had to spend half a day wiring bolts that didnt need wiring here at the time & attatching a shark fin.
id say just do it, rules or not.

all that time to put a shark fin on didn't they see it was shaft drive hehehe

[Muzzab]

I took my pre '82 to Aussie & we had to spend half a day wiring bolts that didnt need wiring here at the time & attatching a shark fin.
id say just do it, rules or not.

Good on you mate, I'm in your camp, rest assured it will be in the rules (in the right place) eventually.

[Shaun Harris]

Recently, a trade organisation i am involved with put a business troubleshooter through head office. Everybody had their contract cancelled & new blood was introduced to remedey what was described as a rancid culture. I wonder if this is what is needed here.




Great question, But can this be done with the Volinteer members? if so ( SOME OF THE BOARD WOULD BE ARSED TOMORROW) but be very carefull with what you say as you might just find your licence cancelled and a ban for life heading your way.

There is always more to a story than meets the eye.

[nodrog]

....you might just find your licence cancelled and a ban for life heading your way...

Only retarded cheating cunts get that.

[scrivy]

Only retarded cheating cunts get that.

Speaking of retarded cunts... i just got my mnz licence today!

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[Kickaha]

Speaking of retarded cunts... i just got my mnz licence today!

My phone call to MNZ didn't work then

[scrivy]

My phone call to MNZ didn't work then

They rang me with your complaints. I said how can a backmarker be taken seriously..... they thought the same as me....

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[Skunk]

Can't work out how to give Rep on Tapatalk...


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[nodrog]

Speaking of retarded cunts... i just got my mnz licence today!

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is this it?

http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Ram-amandeep-300x215.jpg

you and shaun can team up

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs50/150/f/2009/325/0/c/GO_TEAM_RETARD_by_goodguygreat.png

shauns got the tow vehicle sorted

http://www.r8pl8z.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/r3t4rd.jpg

[merv]

Speaking of retarded cunts... i just got my mnz licence today!

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So how did they send it from your XT535 using Tapatalk 2 as you've said above?

[scrivy]

So how did they send it from your XT535 using Tapatalk 2 as you've said above?

Lol....! ...and I thought I was tarded.....;)

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[jasonu]

but be very carefull with what you say as you might just find your licence cancelled and a ban for life heading your way.

There is always more to a story than meets the eye.

Do you mean like publically admitting to obtaining championship awards by cheating?