EBOLA, creeping timebomb?

[Katman]

Rest assured that I will be asleep before the end of the first paragraph..

I'm sure Anne's used to that.

[jonbuoy]

The CDC has some seriously impressive achievements under its belt, most recently in terms of the response to SARS and identifying H1N1. Unfortunately, in the age of 'progressiveness' and leftist co-opting of scientific institutions, the current head is a politically correct puppet motivated by global socialist goals rather than scientific enquiry... And is unwilling (in fact probably philosophically simply unable) to say and do what needs to be said and done.

As one example, consider this quote from Dr Friedan (CDC Head) as to why he doesn't support quarantine

A travel ban is not the right answer. It’s simply not feasible to build a wall – virtual or real – around a community, city, or country. A travel ban would essentially quarantine the more than 22 million people that make up the combined populations of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. When a wildfire breaks out we don’t fence it off. We go in to extinguish it before one of the random sparks sets off another outbreak somewhere else.


Ummm... The idiocy is strong in this one. When a wildfire breaks out we attack it at source (in this context, it means we continue to help the populations of these three benighted countries with training, personnel, equipment and infrastructure but that's not all... PLUS we establish firebreaks to prevent the fire from spreading. We indeed do try to wall off the fire... Good. Grief.

It's madness - if the international community had stamped down hard on it right at the beginning it might never have got this far. The advise from the UK is now "expect a handful of cases". In other words - "not much we can do about it now".

[R650R]

Hyperlink for this wouldn't work (as always when good info posted) but a very interesting read here:

People in the Western World need to know what's happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! "Ebola" as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT "Spread". The Red Cross has brought a disease to 4 specific countries for 4 specific reasons and it is only contracted by those who receive treatments and injections from the Red Cross. That is why Liberians and Nigerians have begun kicking the Red Cross out of their countries and reporting in the news the truth. Now bear with me:

REASONS:

Most people jump to "depopulation" which is no doubt always on the mind of the West when it comes to Africa. But I assure you Africa can NEVER be depopulated by killing 160 people a day when thousands are boren per day. So the real reasons are much more tangible.

Reason 1: This vaccine implemented sickness being "called" Ebola was introduced into West Africa for the end goal of getting troops on the ground in Nigeria, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. If you remember America was just trying to get into Nigeria for "Boko Haram" #BULLSHIT but that fell apart when Nigerians started telling the truth. There ARE NO GIRLS MISSING. Global support fell through the floor, and a new reason was needed to get troops into Nigeria and steal the new oil reserves they have discovered.

Reason 2: Sierra Leone is the World's Largest Supplier of Diamonds. For the past 4 months they have been on strike, refusing to provide diamonds due to horrible working conditions and slave pay. The West will not pay a fair wage for the resources becaouse the idea is to keep these people surviving on rice bags and foreign aid so that they remain a source of cheap slave labor forever. A reason was also needed to get troops on the ground in Sierra Leone to force an end to the diamond miners strikes. This is not the first time this has been done. When miners refuse to work troops are sent in and even if they have to kill and replace them all, the only desire is to get diamands back flowing out of the country. Of course to launch multiple campaigns to invade these countries separately would be way too fishy. But something like "Ebola" allows access to an entire area simultaneously...

Reason 3: In Addition to Stealing Nigerian Oil, and Forcing Sierra Leone Back to Mining, Troops Have Also Been Sent In to FORCE Vaccinations (Deadly "Ebola" Poison) Onto Those Africans Who Are Not Foolish Enough to Take Them Willingly.

3000 Troops Are Being Sent In to Make Sure That This "Poison" Continues to Spread, Because Again It Is Only Spread Through Vaccination. As More and More News Articles Are Released Like the One Above From Liberia, Informing the Populous of the US Lies and Manipulation, More and More Africans Are Refusing to Visit the Red Cross. Troops Will Force These Vaccinations Upon the People to Ensure the Visible Appearance of an Ebola Pandemic. In Addition to This They Will Protect the Red Cross From the Liberians and Nigerians Who Have Been Rightfully Ejecting Them From Their Countries.

Reason 4: 3000 Troops..... Is Ebola Susceptible to Bullets?? Ridiculous. Last But Not Least the APPEARANCE of This Ebola "Pandemic" (Should Americans Not Catch On) Will Be Used to Scare Countless Millions Into Taking the "Ebola Vaccine" Which in Reality IS THE PANDEMIC. Already They Have Started With Stories of How It Has Been Brought Back to the US and Has Appeared in Dallas, How White Doctors Were Cured But Black Infected Are Not Being Allowed to Be Treated Etc.

ALL that will do is make blacks STRIVE to get the vaccine, because it appears that the "cure" is being held back from blacks. They will run out in droves to get it and then there will be serious problems. With all we have seen revealed about vaccines this year you would think we learned our lesson. All I can do is hope so, Because they rely on our ignorance to complete their agendas. Ask yourself: If ebola really was spread from person to person, instead of controlled spread through vaccination - then WHY would the CDC and the US Government continue to allow flights in and out of these countries with absolutely no regulation, Or At All? We have got to start thinking and sharing information globally because they do not give the true perspective of the people who live here in West Africa. They are lying for their own benefit and there aren't enough voices out there with a platform to help share our reality. Hundreds of thousands have been killed, paralyzed and disabled by these and other "new" vaccines all over the world and we are finally becoming aware of it. Now what will we do with all this information?

[scrivy]

People in the Western World need to know what's happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! "Ebola" as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT "Spread". The Red Cross has brought a disease to 4 specific countries for 4 specific reasons and it is only contracted by those who receive treatments and injections from the Red Cross. That is why Liberians and Nigerians have begun kicking the Red Cross out of their countries and reporting in the news the truth. Now bear with me:


........................:shifty::corn:

[scrivy]

So.................. how can nurses (US and Spain) with all the protective gear get Ebola from their patients, but the cleaners in the streets cleaning up the Ebola patients vomit unprotected and the husband of the Spanish nurse don't have it??

[jonbuoy]

So.................. how can nurses (US and Spain) with all the protective gear get Ebola from their patients, but the cleaners in the streets cleaning up the Ebola patients vomit unprotected and the husband of the Spanish nurse don't have it??

200 health workers have gone down with Ebola in Africa. Spanish nurses husband is still in quarantine.

[scrivy]

200 health workers have gone down with Ebola in Africa. Spanish nurses husband is still in quarantine.

Yip. So how come a fully kitted up aid worker gets it, but the medics in the hospital in the US that the guy went into (only to be sent home) didn't get it?? And he later died from it.....
Surely there must be some nasty Ebola viruses lingering around for some kunt to get it???? What about the family of the US guy that died from it? They were in his flat and around him....

I guess 'cause they never received the lethal vaccine....... :shifty::facepalm::facepalm:

[bluninja]

Hyperlink for this wouldn't work (as always when good info posted) but a very interesting read here:

Interesting only in the insight it gives to the ravings of conspiracy theorists. Only 4 points.....but lots of individual hooks in each to achieve "strawman" status ....you have to disprove EVERY part of each of their points, failure to disprove just one means they are right....and they'll add other subjects and items as you disprove the former.

I don't understand why they need troops to get the oil out of Nigeria? Shell, BP et al seem to have that sewn up. The locals are upset by all the pollution caused and the wealth being tankered away so much that they occasionally kidnap the foreign engineers.

As for diamonds, the prices are controlled by a cartel that manages the supply to market. If diamonds become scarcer then they become more expensive and profits soar (even if they have lots of diamonds tucked away to dole out).

[Akzle]

...the prices are controlled by a cartel that manages the supply to market. If diamonds become scarcer then they become more expensive and profits soar (even if they have lots of diamonds tucked away to dole out).

worked for gold.
o// wait on...

http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/gold_60_day_o_s_USD.png?0.9175957788930902

[bluninja]

worked for gold.
o// wait on...

http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/gold_60_day_o_s_USD.png?0.9175957788930902

but since gold is an investment commodity that has a price that long term tracks with crude oil that's what one would expect. So if OPEC decide to throttle the oil supply you'll see it go up again along with crude oil. Or if the stock market starts sliding downwards gold will also increase in value.

Perhaps I should start a conspiracy blog along the depopulation angle, that diamond dust suspended in Nigerian crude cure ebola and the Red Cross have been sent to make sure no local doctors have the time to find that out. Thus nearly all the population dies and the west can steal their diamonds and oil

[scrivy]

that diamond dust suspended in Nigerian crude cure ebola and the Red Cross have been sent to make sure no local doctors have the time to find that out. Thus nearly all the population dies and the west can steal their diamonds and oil

Really????
:shit::gob:


:shifty:

[yokel]

If EBOLA was an actual fair dinkum threat then the authorities would be telling us all that everything is fine no need for alarm we have it under control blah blah.

It's ether fearmongering a distraction or both.
But with out doubt "they" have a plan

"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
- Hermann Goering

[R650R]

Interesting only in the insight it gives to the ravings of conspiracy theorists. Only 4 points.....but lots of individual hooks in each to achieve "strawman" status ....you have to disprove EVERY part of each of their points, failure to disprove just one means they are right....and they'll add other subjects and items as you disprove the former.


I need to add a disclaimer to my sig and most other people could do the same.
Just because I quote something doesn't mean I agree/endorse every word. Just that the overall vibe or trend is on the money.



Yip. So how come a fully kitted up aid worker gets it, but the medics in the hospital in the US that the guy went into (only to be sent home) didn't get it?? And he later died from it.....
Surely there must be some nasty Ebola viruses lingering around for some kunt to get it???? What about the family of the US guy that died from it? They were in his flat and around him....

I guess 'cause they never received the lethal vaccine....... :shifty::facepalm::facepalm:

Exacerrrry! :) Most but not all people travelling get the latest jabs in the arm... glad I never got round to it when I went overseas...

http://img.youtube.com/vi/rpqT_l7QcBM/0.jpg

[yokel]

What are your sources of information?

you heard of the internet? you'll find what ever you want to support your narrative.
information on it's own is useless

[SPman]

Dmitri Orlov has written a sane reasoned prognosis of possible outcomes in a worst case scenario.

At the moment, the Ebola virus is ravaging three countries—Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone—where it is doubling every few weeks, but singular cases and clusters of them are cropping up in dense population centers across the world. An entirely separate Ebola outbreak in the Congo appears to be contained, but illustrates an important point: even if the current outbreak (to which some are already referring as a pandemic) is brought under control, continuing deforestation and natural habitat destruction in the areas where the fruit bats that carry the virus live, make future outbreaks quite likely.

Ebola's mortality rate can be as high as 70%, but seems closer to 50% for the current major outbreak. This is significantly worse than the Bubonic plague, which killed off a third of Europe's population. Previous Ebola outbreaks occurred in rural, isolated locales, where they quickly burned themselves out by infecting everyone within a certain radius, then running out of new victims. But the current outbreak has spread to large population centers with highly mobile populations, and the chances of such a spontaneous end to this outbreak seem to be pretty much nil......................



http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/10/ebola-and-five-stages-of-collapse.html#more (http://Dmitri Orlov has written a sane reasoned)

[mashman]

you heard of the internet? you'll find what ever you want to support your narrative.
information on it's own is useless

Yeah, it's the fear addled brain at the other end that's the problem... which lends support to the Goering quote you posted before. Much easier to stick with the story that's spoonfed to ya through the telly tabloid or wireless, coz the internetz is full of left wing socialist propaganda.

[jonbuoy]

Yip. So how come a fully kitted up aid worker gets it, but the medics in the hospital in the US that the guy went into (only to be sent home) didn't get it?? And he later died from it.....
Surely there must be some nasty Ebola viruses lingering around for some kunt to get it???? What about the family of the US guy that died from it? They were in his flat and around him....

I guess 'cause they never received the lethal vaccine....... :shifty::facepalm::facepalm:

Why do some people survive ebola and some not. Why does EVERY world event have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it?

[jonbuoy]

Hyperlink for this wouldn't work (as always when good info posted) but a very interesting read here:

People in the Western World need to know what's happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! "Ebola" as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT "Spread". The Red Cross has brought a disease to 4 specific countries for 4 specific reasons and it is only contracted by those who receive treatments and injections from the Red Cross. That is why Liberians and Nigerians have begun kicking the Red Cross out of their countries and reporting in the news the truth. Now bear with me:

REASONS:

Most people jump to "depopulation" which is no doubt always on the mind of the West when it comes to Africa. But I assure you Africa can NEVER be depopulated by killing 160 people a day when thousands are boren per day. So the real reasons are much more tangible.

Reason 1: This vaccine implemented sickness being "called" Ebola was introduced into West Africa for the end goal of getting troops on the ground in Nigeria, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. If you remember America was just trying to get into Nigeria for "Boko Haram" #BULLSHIT but that fell apart when Nigerians started telling the truth. There ARE NO GIRLS MISSING. Global support fell through the floor, and a new reason was needed to get troops into Nigeria and steal the new oil reserves they have discovered.

Reason 2: Sierra Leone is the World's Largest Supplier of Diamonds. For the past 4 months they have been on strike, refusing to provide diamonds due to horrible working conditions and slave pay. The West will not pay a fair wage for the resources becaouse the idea is to keep these people surviving on rice bags and foreign aid so that they remain a source of cheap slave labor forever. A reason was also needed to get troops on the ground in Sierra Leone to force an end to the diamond miners strikes. This is not the first time this has been done. When miners refuse to work troops are sent in and even if they have to kill and replace them all, the only desire is to get diamands back flowing out of the country. Of course to launch multiple campaigns to invade these countries separately would be way too fishy. But something like "Ebola" allows access to an entire area simultaneously...

Reason 3: In Addition to Stealing Nigerian Oil, and Forcing Sierra Leone Back to Mining, Troops Have Also Been Sent In to FORCE Vaccinations (Deadly "Ebola" Poison) Onto Those Africans Who Are Not Foolish Enough to Take Them Willingly.

3000 Troops Are Being Sent In to Make Sure That This "Poison" Continues to Spread, Because Again It Is Only Spread Through Vaccination. As More and More News Articles Are Released Like the One Above From Liberia, Informing the Populous of the US Lies and Manipulation, More and More Africans Are Refusing to Visit the Red Cross. Troops Will Force These Vaccinations Upon the People to Ensure the Visible Appearance of an Ebola Pandemic. In Addition to This They Will Protect the Red Cross From the Liberians and Nigerians Who Have Been Rightfully Ejecting Them From Their Countries.

Reason 4: 3000 Troops..... Is Ebola Susceptible to Bullets?? Ridiculous. Last But Not Least the APPEARANCE of This Ebola "Pandemic" (Should Americans Not Catch On) Will Be Used to Scare Countless Millions Into Taking the "Ebola Vaccine" Which in Reality IS THE PANDEMIC. Already They Have Started With Stories of How It Has Been Brought Back to the US and Has Appeared in Dallas, How White Doctors Were Cured But Black Infected Are Not Being Allowed to Be Treated Etc.

ALL that will do is make blacks STRIVE to get the vaccine, because it appears that the "cure" is being held back from blacks. They will run out in droves to get it and then there will be serious problems. With all we have seen revealed about vaccines this year you would think we learned our lesson. All I can do is hope so, Because they rely on our ignorance to complete their agendas. Ask yourself: If ebola really was spread from person to person, instead of controlled spread through vaccination - then WHY would the CDC and the US Government continue to allow flights in and out of these countries with absolutely no regulation, Or At All? We have got to start thinking and sharing information globally because they do not give the true perspective of the people who live here in West Africa. They are lying for their own benefit and there aren't enough voices out there with a platform to help share our reality. Hundreds of thousands have been killed, paralyzed and disabled by these and other "new" vaccines all over the world and we are finally becoming aware of it. Now what will we do with all this information?

Some people won't believe it's real until they're bleeding out their arse and eyes. The governments of west african nations do quite a good job of raping their own resources - no need for US troops.

[Woodman]

Why do some people survive ebola and some not. Why does EVERY world event have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it?

Because conspiracy theorists cannot handle the fact that sometimes shit just happens. They are so dependant on authority running their lives that they assume everything has to be government controlled.

They bloody good entertainment though.

[yokel]

Because conspiracy theorists cannot handle the fact that sometimes shit just happens. They are so dependant on authority running their lives that they assume everything has to be government controlled.

They bloody good entertainment though.

It seems to me that you're the one that is dependant on authorities running your life and you're willing to believe and submit to what ever shit is pedalled as the truth, because well it's just easier

[jonbuoy]

Because conspiracy theorists cannot handle the fact that sometimes shit just happens. They are so dependant on authority running their lives that they assume everything has to be government controlled.

They bloody good entertainment though.

Governments surely are capable of doing some pretty twisted things at times - they must love the conspiracy theorists because most of the articles they publish are so ridiculous it makes it hard to take anything they come up with seriously. Pretty much every single world news headline now has a conspiracy theory to go along with it.

[jonbuoy]

It seems to me that you're the one that is dependant on authorities running your life and you're willing to believe and submit to what ever shit is pedalled as the truth, because well it's just easier

Well if you don't think ebola is real buy a video camera travel to Sierra Leone or Liberia and prove it to the whole world. Don't worry about your job - the results of your investigative report will set you up for life.

[yokel]

Why does EVERY world event have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it?

because people have lost faith in the lying governing authorities and their "official" account of events.
the choice is yours to believe what you're told.

[jonbuoy]

because people have lost faith in the lying governing authorities and their "official" account of events.
the choice is yours to believe what you're told.

Or make up your own stories? So you going to Africa?

[Woodman]

It seems to me that you're the one that is dependant on authorities running your life and you're willing to believe and submit to what ever shit is pedalled as the truth, because well it's just easier

Where did I ever say i believe everything from the authorities? Governments/corporates or whoever do dodgy shit, we all know that.

I was commenting on the conspiracy theorists themselves and their great entertainment value.

[bluninja]

I need to add a disclaimer to my sig and most other people could do the same.
Just because I quote something doesn't mean I agree/endorse every word. Just that the overall vibe or trend is on the money....

Maybe I should put on my sig "Please read the words carefully". I didn't suggest or imply that you did agree with it or endorse the quoted material. I merely provided my own commentary on how "interesting" it was to me.

Sheesh...everywhere conspiracy theories, and persecution complexes :bleh:

[yokel]

Well if you don't think ebola is real buy a video camera travel to Sierra Leone or Liberia and prove it to the whole world. Don't worry about your job - the results of your investigative report will set you up for life.

weather the ebola virus is real or not is of no real interest to me , but how it is reported and presented to the masses is

[oldrider]

Well if you don't think ebola is real buy a video camera travel to Sierra Leone or Liberia and prove it to the whole world. Don't worry about your job - the results of your investigative report will set you up for life.

Maybe buy a plot before you go and don't come back if you have got even a tiny teeny wee temperature ... just stay over there FFS! :sick:

[yokel]

Where did I ever say i believe everything from the authorities? Governments/corporates or whoever do dodgy shit, we all know that.

I was commenting on the conspiracy theorists themselves and their great entertainment value.

"Governments/corporates or whoever do dodgy shit, we all know that"

so you're a closet conspiracy theorists then? haha

you have to believe to some degree in the authorities because your whole world is built under their control

[jonbuoy]

weather the ebola virus is real or not is of no real interest to me , but how it is reported and presented to the masses is

Well you might not have any interest in whats actually going on in the world but billions of others do.

[yokel]

Yeah, it's the fear addled brain at the other end that's the problem... which lends support to the Goering quote you posted before. Much easier to stick with the story that's spoonfed to ya through the telly tabloid or wireless, coz the internetz is full of left wing socialist propaganda.

yes they've done a great job discrediting the internetz even though people use it every day of their life, it's mass retardation on a world wide scale.

[mashman]

Where did I ever say i believe everything from the authorities? Governments/corporates or whoever do dodgy shit, we all know that.

I was commenting on the conspiracy theorists themselves and their great entertainment value.

bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.picgifs.com/clip-art/activities/ironing/clip-art-ironing-694522.jpg

[mashman]

yes they've done a great job discrediting the internetz even though people use it every day of their life, it's mass retardation on a world wide scale.

lol, yup... Peeps like to be led... especially those who believe that they aren't being led.

[yokel]

lol, yup... Peeps like to be led... especially those who believe that they aren't being led.

The peeps are unaware they have no real leaders only puppets, they just meander around like the mindless consumers they are haha

[mashman]

The peeps are unaware they have no real leaders only puppets, they just meander around like the mindless consumers they are haha

Aye, the peeps are unaware of a great many things... that'll change ;).

[Woodman]

Aye, the peeps are unaware of a great many things... that'll change ;).

Uuu-uuum aren't you a peep too?

[mashman]

Uuu-uuum aren't you a peep too?

Yup... I'm getting better though. So I get to consciously enjoy the irony and revel in the hypocrisy at the same time.

[yokel]

I like this niggaz hi grade 100% pure conspiracy haha

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[mashman]

I like this niggaz hi grade 100% pure conspiracy haha

Yeah, but if that was the case we'd run to, erm, we'd call, er, we'd be able to tell, ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Winston001]

Just because I quote something doesn't mean I agree/endorse every word. Just that the overall vibe or trend is on the money.



Oh for pitys sake be honest. If you cut and paste information from a website then you are endorsing what it says. If you actually disagree then you wouldn't post it or you'd immediately include a robust rebuttal.




People in the Western World need to know what's happening here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! "Ebola" as a virus does NOT Exist and is NOT "Spread". The Red Cross has brought a disease to 4 specific countries for 4 specific reasons.....

This is ludicrous. The Ebola Virus doesn't exist?? Really? You can download the DNA and RNA structures for Ebola for free any time you want. Its a Shepherds Hook by the way.

You can also download Smallpox and Herpes molecular structures if you choose: this information is freely available to all of us. No mysteries no conspiracies.

[R650R]

Oh for pitys sake be honest. If you cut and paste information from a website then you are endorsing what it says. If you actually disagree then you wouldn't post it or you'd immediately include a robust rebuttal.



This is ludicrous. The Ebola Virus doesn't exist?? Really? You can download the DNA and RNA structures for Ebola for free any time you want. Its a Shepherds Hook by the way.

You can also download Smallpox and Herpes molecular structures if you choose: this information is freely available to all of us. No mysteries no conspiracies.

Pitys sake? Sweet Jesus this is kiwi biker FFS, please use a better insult.


Doesn't exist as in this strain is not of a natural origin. The guy and others are saying its a lab engineered bioweapon with a weakened strain of ebola or similar virus and a chemical toxin of some kind to bring it to the right sickness level.
The fact is that the original Ebola virus that causes dramatic external bleeding has been around for something like half a million years and is extraordinary stable in its genetic makeup, hence why a lot of people are raising questions over this new one.
You can also download the NIST report, the Warren commission report and NASA moon landing photos, doesn't mean they happened the way they say either...

[Voltaire]

The guy and others

sounds credible to me. Probably tested or brought by the aliens in area 51 which is pixilated out on Google Earth.

[awa355]

Oh for pitys sake be honest. If you cut and paste information from a website then you are endorsing what it says. If you actually disagree then you wouldn't post it or you'd immediately include a robust rebuttal.

Wrong, to quote something doesn't mean you endorse it. It is simply adding extra info to the debate for consideration. I often 'cut & paste' even if I dont agree with it. Called looking at the big picture.

[mashman]

Wrong, to quote something doesn't mean you endorse it. It is simply adding extra info to the debate for consideration. I often 'cut & paste' even if I dont agree with it. Called looking at the big picture.

:killingme I'm so glad that we're living in 2014 and not the era where quaint ideas like, you are the sum total of your history, you can't moan if you don't vote etc... it's almost as though the human race is starting to grow up whilst the old white folks cling onto their teachings of yore. Bout fuckin time.

[jasonu]

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-aid-worker-checked-ebola-chinese-but-ignored-kiwi-officials-6105238

As everyone knows giving out pamphlets is a sure fire way of stopping ebola.

[Reckless]

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-aid-worker-checked-ebola-chinese-but-ignored-kiwi-officials-6105238

As everyone knows giving out pamphlets is a sure fire way of stopping ebola.

WTF?? Every on the ground worker is screaming for everyone to do more in the hot spots and internationally and the Kiwi woman in that article.
She obviously felt strongly enough about it to seek out the media and put her hand up!

Its just crazy "call us when you've infected all your loved ones" we'll spend millions isolating you instead of screening/helping you at the border :bash:: facepalm:

[Katman]

I'm sure the developers of ZMAPP (and the like) will be rubbing their hands with glee.

Pretty soon the public will be clamouring for those drugs that haven't yet been approved.

[Woodman]

Is that you Chicken Little ?

[awa355]

I'm sure the developers of ZMAPP (and the like) will be rubbing their hands with glee.

Pretty soon the public will be clamouring for those drugs that haven't yet been approved.

The Chinese and Indians will soon be knocking out their clones once they get an idea of what the real stuff looks like. Never mind that the stuff probably wont work but what the hell <_<<_<

[Winston001]

Wrong, to quote something doesn't mean you endorse it. It is simply adding extra info to the debate for consideration. I often 'cut & paste' even if I dont agree with it. Called looking at the big picture.

LOL preaching to the converted in my case. One of my bad habits is arguing the opposite side even if I don't personally support it. People complain they don't know what I really believe. My bad.

However there is a huge difference between presenting a rational/factual argument and simply repeating a wild baseless proposition. Not that you do that, but a small number of other posters do.

[Winston001]

Doesn't exist as in this strain is not of a natural origin. The guy and others are saying its a lab engineered bioweapon with a weakened strain of ebola or similar virus and a chemical toxin of some kind to bring it to the right sickness level.

The fact is that the original Ebola virus that causes dramatic external bleeding has been around for something like half a million years and is extraordinary stable in its genetic makeup, hence why a lot of people are raising questions over this new one.


The current outbreak is Ebola Zaire which is the most virulent of the four known strains of Ebola. If this specific virus has been bio-engineered then the French, the Brits, Russians, Chinese, Belgians (remember Marburg?) will immediately discover that. Impossible to hide a virus in these conditions.

Agreed that haemorraghic diseases are well known - we use Rabbit Haemorraghic Disease to kill bunnies here in NZ.. AIDS has existed in animal populaions for hundreds of thousands of years. FIV which cats develop (AIDS for cats) appears to be a million years old. Cats adapted.

Ebola jumped to humans in 1976 much like AIDS about the same time. No mystery no conspiracy. Its a slow imperfect adaptation by a virus looking for a different host. Tough for us but part of the natural world.

[RDJ]

For any of you who believe that a deliberate conspiracy is the cause of the problem, I will not debate that for obvious reasons. I will comment however that evading reality does not absolve you or protect you from the consequences of evading that reality. If you don't believe those of us who are dealing with this epidemic at first and second hand are telling the truth, then we have no rational common ground for discussion.

Since this is a biker forum I would point out a couple of unintended consequences vis a vis riders. The first is I have spoken to 2 adventure bikers in the last couple of weeks who have found to their dismay, that they are no longer as foreign patients able to be brought to a regional centre for good medical care after an accident (1) or non-Ebola-virus-caused fever (2), because they have been travelling through Ebola-affected countries. A considerable number of African countries have rationally implemented border controls for non-nationals seeking entry whether for medical or other reasons, to their country. Basically, the public health authorities are forbidding it to prevent the risk of introducing Ebola into a country thus far unaffected. So if you think when you're travelling in West Africa that if things go badly wrong medically you can go north to Europe or south to South Africa for medical treatment, think again.

It is also very clear (and I have seen this affect riding as well is non-riding travelers) that one of the major reasons the virus is spreading exponentially, is because infected people in the three countries where the epidemic is out of control and who are desperate to attend medical facilities, are being transported by their families and friends and colleagues very often by public transport. Patients in a terminal status of the disease are unquestionably and provably much more contagious than those in the early stages. Since there is a relatively small number of viruses required to potentially transmit infection, people who are being transported to hospital in extremis are extremely contagious - and future users of that mode of transportation be it tourist shuttle, hotel shuttle, private conveyance, public taxi or anything in between cannot know the risk of contagion from the virus remaining inside the cab or on the seat, to be transmitted to an unwitting future traveller. A number of conspiracy theorists have argued that since secondary transmission appears to be more significant than primary transmission, there is something that the authorities are not telling you. The problem is, it's when patients are more severely ill and therefore more likely to present a medical facilities, that they are most contagious. Only 1-10 virus particles are required to infect a new host. Therefore if you have contact with a patient in the early stages of illness you are much less likely to be infected, even if you don't observe personal protective precautions, then if you are encountering the patient in the terminal stages of the disease. Which is why this virus has disproportionately killed healthcare workers rather than families and colleagues (so far).

If you don't believe what's being said then there is no reasoning further. If you believe what's being said then you need to be reminded further of a very apposite quote from The Terminator franchise - because this virus “is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until (if it infects you) you are dead. Barring a reliable and effective cure, which at the time of writing, We. Do. Not. Have.

[awa355]

Now, here is full justification for the western govt's to start getting serious about dealing with ebola.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/10/14/nestle-hershey-and-other-chocolate-companies-raising-money-to-combat-ebola/

[R650R]

For any of you who believe that a deliberate conspiracy is the cause of the problem, I can't rule that possibility out obvious reasons. I will comment however that evading reality does not absolve you or protect you from the consequences of evading that reality. If you don't believe those of us who are dealing with this epidemic at first and second hand are telling the truth, because we lied to you about SARS, Swine Flue, Bird flu, HN51, measles, meningitis, tainted vaccinnes, tainted blood products, then I guess we reap what we have sowed.


edited for accuracy :)




Since this is a biker forum I would point out a couple of unintended consequences vis a vis weathly Adventure riders touring the world on $25000 BMWs...

edited for accuracy
Ohhh poor them, you'd have to be pretty stupid to be riding near those places to start with at a time like this, never mind the disease theirs lot of military ops over there too at moment.



A number of conspiracy theorists have argued that since secondary transmission appears to be more significant than primary transmission, there is something that the authorities are not telling you. The problem is, it's when patients are more severely ill and therefore more likely to present a medical facilities, that they are most contagious. Which is why this virus has disproportionately killed healthcare workers rather than families and colleagues (so far).

More like a number of unnamed sources unable to be referenced, do you write press releases for pentagon??? What healthcare workers? There's been a handful compared to the alledgedly 4000 dead victims so far.
And they have died due to poor decontamination/quarantine procedures, allowed to happen of course by complicit govt officials to ramp up the fear factor in gen population.




If you don't believe what's being said then there is no reasoning further. If you believe what's being said then you need to be reminded further of a very apposite quote from The Terminator franchise - because this virus �is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until (if it infects you) you are dead. Barring a reliable and effective cure, which at the time of writing, We. Do. Not. Have.

ohhhh shut down the debate because someone might provide counter argument to the contrary, typical govt dept response. The virus has only spread outside of the hotzone due to ZERO screening and quarantine procedures by major govts and airlines well after it was known there was an outbreak. And these ones that 'infected' healthcare workers in the west, how come that only happened after the fear factor was ramped to maximum. The outbreak had already been happening over there for weeks. In that time I would guess DOZENS of foreign aid workers, missionaries, extreme travellers etc would have passed through the hotzone or met secondary infected people. WHY did NONE of them get sick and spread the disease????? There is still a very poor response from govt given the alledged leathality and spreadibility of this disease. Now as the Elite still have to mingle with the riff raff this tells me its an engineered outbreak and they are in control of the transmission methods and also the 'cure' or effective treatments.
Some one should really chronicle the timeline of this and you'll see what I'm saying very clearly.
Just like SARS and Swine flu this is the MKI outbreak to get the name and fear into people. I reckon in six months time they will have produced an overpriced 'vacinne' and disease version mkII will be unleashed.

[Voltaire]

Was the Spanish Flu 'engineered" too?:innocent:

[mashman]

Was the Spanish Flu 'engineered" too?:innocent:

Yup.........

[Voltaire]

Yup.........

Your right I googled it and eventually found a conspiracy theory :laugh:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread443709/pg1

[mashman]

Your right I googled it and eventually found a conspiracy theory :laugh:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread443709/pg1

lol... I meant this lady ;)..... but top work :laugh:

http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/looking/fullsize/Mother-Nature-516705a182cc8_hires.jpg

[RDJ]

[QUOTE=R650R]

"do you write press releases for pentagon??? What healthcare workers? There's been a handful compared to the alledgedly 4000 dead victims so far."

Heh I’m writing press releases for the Pentagon… seriously? OK, you got me. Not only am I a military PR flack, I am also a shill for Big Pharma and the Medical-Industrial Complex; and of course I was involved in the great SARs hoax of the 90s. Since you know so much about my employers, could you remind them that they've never actually paid me for any of the above… /sarc off.

There is however one fact that ought to be indisputable - although I suspect will be disputed; that of the death toll in healthcare workers in WA. For example Liberia. Best estimates are that Ebola has killed about 100 Liberian doctors and nurses so far. That is out of about 2,300 dead Liberians (tho' the death toll is underreported). That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

[Woodman]

So who deserves Ebola more?

Rich BMW riders?

Poor BMW riders?

All BMW riders?

Rich people?

:tugger::tugger:

[R650R]

That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

Not really given they are right in the middle of it and lacking proper gear... and of course they will have been the first to get their vacinnes updated so no surprises they are sick...

[R650R]

So who deserves Ebola more?

Rich BMW riders?

Poor BMW riders?

All BMW riders?

Rich people?

:tugger::tugger:

None of the above, saying that its not the end of adv motorcycling just over one outbreak... Very few adv mc international riders will be affected by this, plenty of other places to ride...
The bmw riders can just put their hazard flashers on anyway, that will scare off the ebola.

[R650R]

The end is not nigh... Just went back to the start of this thread and clicked few links...

This outbreak started WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY back on July 20 and a top US health official said "There is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but it can be contained if patients are swiftly isolated and adequate protective measures are used, he said."

Ebola first emerged in 1976, and has killed more than 1,500 people since then.

So one has to ask again why are infected victims being flown to other countries for treatment risking whole countries???? Clearly because its all staged/controlled and the Elite are confident they have control of this version that they released...

[mashman]

Best estimates are that Ebola has killed about 100 Liberian doctors and nurses so far. That is out of about 2,300 dead Liberians (tho' the death toll is underreported). That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

1 in 23. I guess you can call it a good ratio if a doctor or nurse helps less that 23 people a day. What happens IF there aren't enough doctors diagnosing Ebola in Liberia? Do you think the number of cases might rise somewhat? We've responded slowly, and that ain't just down to TPTB (hence nestle etc... throwing money at the problem in order to protect their profits, I mean workers). Peeps just ain't used to cooperating at those sorts of levels, primarily because fucktards get in the way (usually bitching that there isn't enough money or spending a small age raising the money :facepalm:). blah blah blah.....

[Akzle]

The end is not nigh... Just went back to the start of this thread and clicked few links...

This outbreak started WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY back on July 20 and a top US health official said "There is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but it can be contained if patients are swiftly isolated and adequate protective measures are used, he said."

Ebola first emerged in 1976, and has killed more than 1,500 people since then.

So one has to ask again why are infected victims being flown to other countries for treatment risking whole countries???? Clearly because its all staged/controlled and the Elite are confident they have control of this version that they released...

meanwhile, shall we compare that to the 100% avoidable deaths caused by paracetamol, alcohol, and motor vehicles?

fuck no! that'd spoil the party...

[Kickaha]

Ebola first emerged in 1976, and has killed more than 1,500 people since then.

Drop in the bucket, even compared to Rabies

When you look at the big killers Ebola is a non event, it's only media hype making it look worse than it is

[RDJ]

1 in 23. I guess you can call it a good ratio if a doctor or nurse helps less that 23 people a day. What happens IF there aren't enough doctors diagnosing Ebola in Liberia? Do you think the number of cases might rise somewhat? We've responded slowly, and that ain't just down to TPTB (hence nestle etc... throwing money at the problem in order to protect their profits, I mean workers). Peeps just ain't used to cooperating at those sorts of levels, primarily because fucktards get in the way (usually bitching that there isn't enough money or spending a small age raising the money :facepalm:). blah blah blah.....

No-one is really sure how many cases there are in Liberia alone but highest - but not unreasonable - estimates are 8000, of which 4000 have died. These figures are different from those most commonly quoted (which provides fuel for the conspirators) and result from a combination of underreporting, inability to diagnose other than clinically, including as part of the Ebola death toll patients who didn't die from that particular infectious disease but from another, and including patients who died from Ebola in deaths from other infectious diseases... It's not just a problem of lack of enough doctors making the clinical diagnosis, it's also a problem of laboratory facilities confirming that diagnosis. Many patients who present for a test may not be laboratory positive when they present... But subsequently die without retesting.

One of the two crashed riders in the previous post was riding a Triumph Triple. BMW bikes are pretty ubiquitous down in southern Africa but not so much further north... Lots of cheap Chinese import bikes, with a scattering of leftover Hondas and the occasional Suzuki (for whatever reason almost no Yamahas or KTMs and so forth...).

[mashman]

No-one is really sure how many cases there are in Liberia alone but highest - but not unreasonable - estimates are 8000, of which 4000 have died. These figures are different from those most commonly quoted (which provides fuel for the conspirators) and result from a combination of underreporting, inability to diagnose other than clinically, including as part of the Ebola death toll patients who didn't die from that particular infectious disease but from another, and including patients who died from Ebola in deaths from other infectious diseases... It's not just a problem of lack of enough doctors making the clinical diagnosis, it's also a problem of laboratory facilities confirming that diagnosis. Many patients who present for a test may not be laboratory positive when they present... But subsequently die without retesting.

One of the two crashed riders in the previous post was riding a Triumph Triple. BMW bikes are pretty ubiquitous down in southern Africa but not so much further north... Lots of cheap Chinese import bikes, with a scattering of leftover Hondas and the occasional Suzuki (for whatever reason almost no Yamahas or KTMs and so forth...).

Absolutely, but if your doctors and nurses are dying, who's going to take the samples and make the distinction between what is an Ebola death or otherwise? Don't you think we could have pushed the boat out a bit more in regards to a response? Then why haven't we? Tell you what, conspiracy theory to come ;). Now as a conspiracy theorist (not A-typical maybe, maybe) I accept that this incident may well have been man made. The reason for that is simple, there are people in this world who would do such a thing. It's a rational belief based on a long history of man playing god. But yeah, more resources required all round. With any luck it'll vanish.

[mashman]

This outbreak started WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY back on July 20 and a top US health official said "There is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but it can be contained if patients are swiftly isolated and adequate protective measures are used, he said."

So one has to ask again why are infected victims being flown to other countries for treatment risking whole countries???? Clearly because its all staged/controlled and the Elite are confident they have control of this version that they released...

July 20 you say... hmmmmm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

[yokel]

July 20 you say... hmmmmm


Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

with out a doubt everything is engineered EVERYTHING!

[mashman]

with out a doubt everything is engineered EVERYTHING!

I do wonder at times, and yet based on the faces we're allowed to see, the runaway train theory would hold quite strongly too :laugh:.

[RDJ]

Absolutely, but if your doctors and nurses are dying, who's going to take the samples and make the distinction between what is an Ebola death or otherwise? Don't you think we could have pushed the boat out a bit more in regards to a response? Then why haven't we? Tell you what, conspiracy theory to come ;). Now as a conspiracy theorist (not A-typical maybe, maybe) I accept that this incident may well have been man made. The reason for that is simple, there are people in this world who would do such a thing. It's a rational belief based on a long history of man playing god. But yeah, more resources required all round. With any luck it'll vanish.

Agree entirely that if we don't have enough people who know what they're doing alive on the ground, we won't know what we don't know about morbidity and mortality. The short answer about why we didn't respond faster and this is purely an opinion, is because of a toxic stew with the following ingredients in different proportions - YMMV

political correctness
the corruptocracy of the UN (and therefore, inevitably, amongst some of its organisations such as WHO)
bureaucratic inertia, ineptitude, lack of insight, lack of foresight, lack of neurones
inverse racism
donor fatigue
the belief that "it's too bad to be that believably bad"
the belief that "a CIA/Pentagon/MoveOn/Occupy/Conservative/Liberal/Bilderberg/name your conspiracy du jour" plot



if you look at where the outbreak actually started and the gene tracking has been done since the initial West Africa Patient Zero (a toddler) - if people are saying this is deliberately man-made and spread by the black helicopter brigade, then all I can say is, whichever government is responsible is suddenly and IMO unbelievably capable of a previously unheard of degree of scientific innovation, epidemiological competence and track-covering...

Off topic perhaps, but most of the motorcycle riders that I deal with professionally who have crashed or otherwise need medical attention in Africa are not the Long Way Around multiple pannier BMW types with support crews and luggage dollies (not that there's anything wrong with that). They've taken a few months off work, saved for a few years, are travelling with no more support than a toolkit and a tablet, and are pleasant and unpretentious to deal with.

[blue rider]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10678811_947676645253347_5299347798631232381_n.jpg ?oh=c0673d63d85a52310d1f0f68c7bcaf82&oe=54BAFD3B&__gda__=1420776167_2dbbff97e2098d371df4cc407ed007e 8

[mashman]

Agree entirely that if we don't have enough people who know what they're doing alive on the ground, we won't know what we don't know about morbidity and mortality. The short answer about why we didn't respond faster and this is purely an opinion, is because of a toxic stew with the following ingredients in different proportions - YMMV

political correctness
the corruptocracy of the UN (and therefore, inevitably, amongst some of its organisations such as WHO)
bureaucratic inertia, ineptitude, lack of insight, lack of foresight, lack of neurones
inverse racism
donor fatigue
the belief that "it's too bad to be that believably bad"
the belief that "a CIA/Pentagon/MoveOn/Occupy/Conservative/Liberal/Bilderberg/name your conspiracy du jour" plot



if you look at where the outbreak actually started and the gene tracking has been done since the initial West Africa Patient Zero (a toddler) - if people are saying this is deliberately man-made and spread by the black helicopter brigade, then all I can say is, whichever government is responsible is suddenly and IMO unbelievably capable of a previously unheard of degree of scientific innovation, epidemiological competence and track-covering...

Off topic perhaps, but most of the motorcycle riders that I deal with professionally who have crashed or otherwise need medical attention in Africa are not the Long Way Around multiple pannier BMW types with support crews and luggage dollies (not that there's anything wrong with that). They've taken a few months off work, saved for a few years, are travelling with no more support than a toolkit and a tablet, and are pleasant and unpretentious to deal with.

Aye, logistically possible, but that no one wants the end of the shitty stick it becomes a logistics nightmare for any excuse/reason that can be dreamed up to sound plausible to us dumb folk. Fuck it, give me the funds and I'll have it sorted next week :shifty:

Ach if only it were the govt that did these things it'd be easy, but such acts are condoned elsewhere before the entertainment department, govt, pop up on the telly to tell us that dey got dis shit. Thing is, we have the virus and all that's needed is to release it. In regards to innovation, everything has to come from the mind of someone, the light bulb, tv, medicine etc... sometimes we stumble across things that may well be of use, should one be so inclined to indulge their darker side, and they certainly don't have to be in govt to achieve that (quite the opposite, as you highlight, if you want a decent shot at getting the job done lol).

I think we should execute everyone of them adventure riders before they get back to NZ... we could pretend that they were riding for ISIS.


The shit we do to ourselves

My personal choice is to not catch Ebola.

[jonbuoy]

Like NZ media/public would be any different reporting NZ's first reported case.

[oldrider]

My personal choice is to not catch Ebola.

Yes but the WHO are determined that you "will" get your share! :doctor: . :yes: (sooner or later)

[mashman]

Yes but the WHO are determined that you "will" get your share! :doctor: . :yes: (sooner or later)

heh, not fuckin likely... at least not without restraints and running the risk of death by putting a needle anywhere near me, or my family, that I don't want. As for the, oh but you'll infect the rest of the world brigade, they can fuck right off as they'll be inoculated so my decision won't infect to them. Oooooo that tweaks my adrenal gland.

[bluninja]

Yes but the WHO are determined that you "will" get your share! :doctor: . :yes: (sooner or later)

If we're talking shares, I'm sure John Key will be all for it :cool:

[mashman]

The countdown to save the world from Ebola (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25269988/the-countdown-to-save-the-world-from-ebola/)

"The UN has issued a stark warning that if the world does not get Ebola under control within 60 days, we face an "unprecedented situation for which we don’t have a plan"."

:rofl: they're currently running to a plan?

[Voltaire]

When they say " The World" they mean the US and Europe?

[mashman]

When they say " The World" they mean the US and Europe?

Yeah sure, why not. Summertime soon here :sunny:

[yokel]

1 in 23. I guess you can call it a good ratio if a doctor or nurse helps less that 23 people a day. What happens IF there aren't enough doctors diagnosing Ebola in Liberia? Do you think the number of cases might rise somewhat? We've responded slowly, and that ain't just down to TPTB (hence nestle etc... throwing money at the problem in order to protect their profits, I mean workers). Peeps just ain't used to cooperating at those sorts of levels, primarily because fucktards get in the way (usually bitching that there isn't enough money or spending a small age raising the money :facepalm:). blah blah blah.....


The countdown to save the world from Ebola (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25269988/the-countdown-to-save-the-world-from-ebola/)

"The UN has issued a stark warning that if the world does not get Ebola under control within 60 days, we face an "unprecedented situation for which we don’t have a plan"."

:rofl: they're currently running to a plan?

they have a plan that they don't want you to know about just yet haha.
Part of witch is flying health workers around the world.

[awa355]

When they say " The World" they mean the US and Europe?

Buggar, if it were certain that NZ was going to be clobbered by xmas, now would be the time to go out and buy that dream bike on no deposit. :pinch:

[R650R]

If your a bit of a germophobe this is what you need for a bedside lamp :) http://www.xenex.com/

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/10/14/will-the-real-ebola-vaccine-stand-up-exposing-a-major-cover-up/

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/plane-ebola-infected-nurse-cleaned-back-service-day/story?id=26217824

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2792030/jeremy-hunt-warns-ebola-outbreak-deadly-worldwide-aids-epidemic-killed-30million-screening-starts-heathrow.html#ixzz3G9DmiMDv

Ok guys you got the careful walk just right, keep those chins up and breath heavy through those masks for the sound effects and well be done filming.... who is clipboard man? The damn crisis act director!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11344088

[yokel]

why would they lie to you? It's not like lying makes money or anything haha.
at least this will all be over in 60 days time just before Christmas, how convenient.


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[mashman]

why would they lie to you? It's not like lying makes money or anything haha.
at least this will all be over in 60 days time just before Christmas, how convenient.

Wonder what the side effects of the eventual vaccine will be? Some folks is mentioning zombieism lol. Interesting times if it turns out like the H1N1 vaccine (Pandemrix) given to 11.2 million people in the UK, which reportedly resulted "in a minimum of 3.6 additional cases of narcolepsy per 100.000 vaccinated subjects".
Death as a christmas gift from your caring sharing PTB ;)

[yokel]

Wonder what the side effects of the eventual vaccine will be? Some folks is mentioning zombieism lol. Interesting times if it turns out like the H1N1 vaccine (Pandemrix) given to 11.2 million people in the UK, which reportedly resulted "in a minimum of 3.6 additional cases of narcolepsy per 100.000 vaccinated subjects".
Death as a christmas gift from your caring sharing PTB ;)

"a minimum of 3.6 additional cases" oh that is real informative haha, is that form a direct quote?

WHO knows what the side effects of the vaccine will be, just dont take it and I'm sure there will be fancy new laws for when curtain disobedient citizens who dont do what they're told, they just dont want those types around in their quest for a new world order haha.

anything that results in expansion of government and their powers needs close scrutiny.
like terrorising the population, which is exactly what they are doing.
the "authorities" are the terrorists not ISIS or what ever they say you should be scared of.

the war on your freedom is well in affect.

[awa355]

Relax everyone, :calm: NZ is ready. The minister of health, Jonothan Coleman spent time at one hospital yesterday and can assure the nation that the health service is fully prepared for an outbreak.

Middlemore can cope with up to 4 patients in one room. Jono's the big cheese, so he should know. :eek5::eek5:

[Shaun Harris]

1 person per day arriving from west africa, Just BAN all entry ASAP other wise Nebola WILL GET here FFS

[oldrider]

It's all starting to take shape now ... is it stupidity or something else? Interesting article?

Click here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/cdc-chief-dr-thomas-frieden-betrays-america

[oldrider]

It's all starting to take shape now ... is it stupidity or something else? Interesting article?

Click here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/cdc-chief-dr-thomas-frieden-betrays-america

Missing lead video clip here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqnYniJQnU

[Akzle]

the war on your freedom is well in affect.

oh well thank fuck for that. we all know america has never actually "won" a war!

(war on drugs - since 1964!, are they winning yet? war or terror - since 2009, winning yet? war on poverty? - o// wait on, that might achieve something.

'Murka! hoo-ra.!)

[Akzle]

It's all starting to take shape now ... is it stupidity or something else? Interesting article?

Click here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/cdc-chief-dr-thomas-frieden-betrays-america


The CDC must think we are all intellectual cows
pretty much, moo fuckers, moo!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaoTkp4v7cI

[yokel]

oh well thank fuck for that. we all know america has never actually "won" a war!

(war on drugs - since 1964!, are they winning yet? war or terror - since 2009, winning yet? war on poverty? - o// wait on, that might achieve something.

'Murka! hoo-ra.!)

war on terror (freedom) since 2009? more like 2001 you know when them two towers just fell under their own weight.
the "wars" are to be fought for ever, not won.
like when the taliban in afghanistan interrupted the "war on drugs" opium supply

[oldrider]

oh well thank fuck for that. we all know america has never actually "won" a war!

(war on drugs - since 1964!, are they winning yet? war or terror - since 2009, winning yet? war on poverty? - o// wait on, that might achieve something.

'Murka! hoo-ra.!)


Zionist Merica and Israel don't actually want another world war ... the last one almost got outa control with dire consequence for Zionists!

They prefer what is known as the Morganthau line of conflict where "controllable mini wars" can be inflicted upon local populations to the advantage of Zionist Merica!

Personally I preferred when they used to use the "space program" to inflict debt on the world but unfortunately it doesn't kill enough people of lesser value for them! :oi-grr:

[Katman]

Just BAN all entry ASAP other wise Nebola WILL GET here FFS

Is that a like a differnet strain of one of these?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Crab_Nebula.jpg

[flyingcrocodile46]

Over 600,000. Don't believe me, go check the WHO site or google it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

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The International Forecaster
Governing by Fear: From Anthrax to Ebola

by James Corbett
corbettreport.com (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDJ0QC-i7Sx42ENSSM6dSDLiha33rQNC5Gg4xVZiScrgsNUETv_QlIXoz Zw78aW1Twk9COoXFWzNPUv3TZBogvD824jidTRwJ0FKG8JTyKq Gzscn68-WBJac=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)
October 18, 2014

There is a brilliant video (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4Sxb_kYjKkBAigQxH7orQWeLY lIfksxI_q3TQ_Cmfn_QbWGoqVmT0HJlANnQoakA-lHWeNBQP0ugYGJXXBxxjX5oumiuwNpgYn9HiArJRWN8maLv4K7 b-wt7u-Fts8LozwEr48IV-CbA=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) that was floating around the web several years ago in which someone simply spliced together news coverage of the 2001 anthrax scare into a surreal two minute montage of newscaster after newscaster solemnly intoning the words "anthrax," "anthrax investigation," "anthrax exposure," "anthrax attacks," "antibiotics" and other anthrax-related phrases. In just two minutes the viewer gets a vivid understanding of just how much of a role the media played in spreading the fear about the anthrax "attacks," a series of anthrax-laced letters that were sent through the U.S. postal system in the wake of 9/11.

The anthrax letters ended up killing just five people out of an American population (at the time) of nearly 285,000,000. As ludicrous as it was, in retrospect, for the average American to be scared about dying from anthrax in 2001, how much more ridiculous was it that the topic was discussed daily as I went to open the mail at the commercial real estate office I was working at at the time? In Canada. Where no letters were ever sent, no one got sick, and (obviously) no one died.

Such is the power of the media to manipulate our perception of the dangers that are worth our time and attention. 33,000 vehicle related deaths per year (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4dB1XXVEmwYlxVNAR70Rjcrpw aqNwxVUdri59EHPY9-M059wmuY8YUgDvkfp9UCgf7npDxy1Kq6UHkmoiewXIqPgcy9Q7 DsPPUXxtPxhzkWtbiizQC_RsbgbVu3ZlaBz3dFzCt0ZW-58NDRu4SKAb6uas2Uyg2p8zCK9XqGBNqd8XHLma2Xew2ionmWF 4dSDh-8pJpbhFa1Ww2u8ppjlmugf9bdmBeGcJTohAHpdgT78=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)? A fatality-causing collision might rate a 20 second mention in the local news. 5 anthrax-related deaths over a two month period? Literally thousands of hours of coverage will be devoted to the topic, with hundreds of talking heads brought in to discuss the implications, with special emphasis placed on the pharmaceuticals that might come in handy in the event of anthrax exposure.

None of this should be surprising to readers of Dr. Graeme Macqueen's brilliant new summation of the 2001 anthrax inside job, "The 2001 Anthrax Deception (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4EYAxZIZSTkg02Wxy7RwmUnmB SMM-XjelL-dKJ4L6Qp6L5dbwg2RXR517t-m7gOTvR9et1zP4Sx0gKqze7SizdU2kAV8auKNtRLcHYblfCktN BCCyL2PUlnXm7TD3Ei-M&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)," in which he painstakingly documents the way in which the mass media hyped, amplified and spread anthrax fears during the attack:

"The U.S. media did not hesitate to make anthrax fears a major theme.In fact, they considered fears of anthrax almost as newsworthy as anthrax itself and reported on them repeatedly. By reporting on these fears, they participated, of course, in their spread. 'Anxiety' was probably the most common term ('Anthrax Anxiety at Home,' 'widespread anxiety in New York,' 'Anxiety Grows in South Florida,' 'Anxiety Over Bioterrorism Grows'), but there were also references to 'a frightened public,' 'rising public concern,' 'panicky citizens' and 'hysteria.' There were also references to 'jitters' and 'nervousness.' Immediately after the death of Robert Stevens, the Washington Post reported that 'jittery' citizens were 'on their knees begging for drugs.' On October 10 the appropriately named Darryl Fears reported in the same newspaper that after law enforcement agencies put the nation in a state of high alert and Ashcroft asked Americans to maintain 'a heightened state of awareness,' the result was increased feat. Along with the demand for Cipro, it appears, there was now a demand for gas masks. Soon (Oct. 15) it was reported that the 'anthrax scare' was spreading around the world. Eventually (Oct. 18) the reading public was informed that 'the fear of anthrax has become inescapable,' and shortly thereafter-not long before the final Congressional votes on the Patriot Act-Americans were said to be experiencing 'primordial terror' in 'a national anxiety attack.' It did not take long for journalists to come up with a clever aphorism: anthrax is not contagious, but fear of anthrax is."

There are several things to note from this highly informative passage. The first would be that the mainstream media, perhaps unsurprisingly, inserted subtle propaganda for the pharmaceutical industry into their coverage of events, depicting average citizens as "on their knees begging for drugs." The second would be that, by focusing on and thus helping to create and spread the sense of "primordial fear" that they were supposedly 'reporting' on, the news media were guilty of terrorism in the strictest sense of that word. And the third thing to note is that it was this terror, created and fostered by the media itself, that helped enable the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act, a horrific piece of legislation legalizing the most flagrant violations of American citizens' supposed "civil liberties" and enabling the rise of Police State America that we are increasingly familiar with today.

Fast forward to 2014. It isn't difficult to see how the Ebola hype of 2014 is virtually identical (in terms of mainstream American media coverage) to the anthrax attacks of 2001. A total of three CDC confirmed cases of Ebola diagnosed in the United States has managed to set off a firestorm of coverage that has now completely consumed the 24/7 news cycle and completely displaced the last boogeyman of the week (remember ISIS?) from the headlines (exactly as I suggested in last month's column on "The 9/11 Terror Script (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4VBsQ71xCoAS2ClTG2U6bL0Jm rWGeqYCLvmNSlxnFecaXdRic58MCNPvLRKlWh8LVrOZDktDYCa j4U-DyeioaOZll39etajZKYI1BV9a5zej41c7-Eh0MPFHxSSs0VApWj5IiM2SlgZm9K-FTXNw1-aNcRZ8FkKpQklzIJbjnu5KsY1RJJEH6AL1zoTEnxYNe&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)"). Are we being duped once again, whipped into a panic over something that, in retrospect, will make the hyperventilating coverage seem patently ridiculous? Or is this something different, something genuinely worthy of our attention? If this is a media-generated terror campaign, to what end is it being effected? Is there a Patriot Act equivalent that is waiting in the wings?

First, let's get a handle on some facts. Or, more to the point, explain why the "facts" being thrown around about this outbreak are admittedly meaningless. As of press time, the WHO has identified 8,997 cases of Ebola as "confirmed," "probable" or "suspected." This means that the 9,000 figure that is being thrown around right now is almost certainly inaccurate, with only about half of that number actually being confirmed through laboratory testing. But look at the WHO data (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN48bcjgMm5E1Lx4mMgowQuRnjX zE2IQemkbIPQ2aCBqlgd8n-GJ0voBIxGtOleQpaZ-S_cXNSjRpBIJXLgZAZUp7hqgaLG2GWNZ8SG8EvKw8myKoimtfI yxjGyGGpt5XzCdJSHeLmCNn_9ZjrvNbjqcPHiwbjD88Vz4pUAV BJgvELFK-1luOipuo6t-mbgUpya9IyWKZOWtIE=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) for "confirmed" cases of Ebola (943) and deaths from Ebola (1072) in Liberia. You're not reading that incorrectly; there have actually been more confirmed deaths than confirmed cases because of a reported lack of laboratory capacity for confirming cases of Ebola (but not for confirming deaths, apparently). In Sierra Leone there have been 142 "probable" deaths out of 37 probable cases because of "on-going reclassification, retrospective investigation and availability of laboratory results." Or take the estimated 50% fatality rate for this outbreak based on the fact that out of the 9,000 cases there have been 4,500 reported deaths. As we have just seen, the 9,000 case figure is inaccurate and the number of cases/deaths is dependent on laboratory capacity, so once again the 50% fatality rate is almost certainly inaccurate. Dividing cases by deaths also fails to take into account the fact that there are some proportion of those living with the disease who will die from it at some point in the future. After noting how "messy some of the data are," a BBC report (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4AHmF8ArpOdXzQaLsFyn9PNGv Sh1_55mvCI6t63yCcJ1CgDeU3q2RvvKHaYDhhHSVdhTg9DLyCb __fb9ZpPTDxo6dP-2xWcfvq9bf2BUng5W-tb35754hf2VD47JcmDRb&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) on the subject goes on to note that "this is the same basic data being used to reach forecasts of 1.4 million cases by January or 10,000 new cases a week by December." In other words, not even the BBC is buying it.

But all of these numbers rely on the accuracy of the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) and ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) tests that are used to diagnose Ebola in the first place. I will spare you the details, but critics like Jon Rappoport (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4aEOomxTERKJR4kXoX7vE1ZdZ zWtVq0AppZdfxOMqyV8RePlrwa2uSB_zMsIqjUOqemt_R4LywK XmS2zBuehu3aTbyqrEnjfapRVFrSv2-UAsMTaGVlXkRLAfTtEcr53wCB6pIe_Nd1KP48x8hJZdKA==&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) have called into question the very basis of these tests as proof of the presence or impact of Ebola. Sound far-fetched? In July 2009, at the very height of the swine flu pandemic hype, the CDC suddenly stopped counting new cases of the disease. An investigative story (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN46UUk-zk7Q-janCV5hG0cR6kFArPD3eNKYeULNs9_LM-btRl8pf5Amn5u-bEdOMgx7WFh-yupRGfIh2wAIZrATtUSDBW5J4iTBZfON0Gi8OD5Dpf232qXkLR EGDDiqTjlZ7bIgCHrZy4kvVYzlkQriS-9sQaimcAF&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) into the subject by CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson opened with the provocative statement: "If you've been diagnosed 'probable' or 'presumed' 2009 H1N1 or 'swine flu' in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn't have H1N1 flu." The report details how many of the "probable" H1N1 samples sent by the states to the CDC prior to the July 2009 shut-down of testing were in fact false positives and that the numbers used to justify the pandemic "crisis" had been vastly overblown. Attkisson's bombshell story was vetted, checked, and ready for broadcast...but the network execs killed the story and it wound up as a website-only piece. Months after they stopped actually counting the tests (and after they knew that the real numbers were vastly lower than the "tens of thousands" they had been talking about in July), the CDC suddenly came out with an estimate (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4oC3ZTKcaJrsjR63cBVB5iUfr BzeWIiV_qiyvo2FT7vcoE64s2ELsaYbBJ5gUmPGKV-GuRCDvETN5ZANTA-xSdQQDoj_6Wewu1eKFi5LPhuxYEcjqr01mMZE5Eoczdm-8y7sOWZK10yeeb4w2V8znAxvRCvpR-Hi3IfOXBE7QAGSCfHvIBdpMvCCxiCGfUYKz0U53EAAKnOE=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) that 22 million Americans, or 1 out of every 15 people in the country, had had the swine flu. This estimate was apparently based on no actual tests or data whatsoever.

In the case of the 2009 swine flu hysteria, the evident motivation for terrorizing the public was twofold. Firstly, there was an attempt to 'help along' the passage of the "Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4U1qdmlNiqXAZgG51KCVHwPst 7tlO-id2NebIY4OmBjXEF-wyxksdXPZ7_Lvr1vtWtlUo_DKqDLqPUzCoJMUs3XwN0H-Kc-uDdjgjFzTZ58ohl_Z7Tk9oAlLreLEQ3mKhhDLFVp4Ar2H-Yhe_ouwBC46ytDxhsHT1QfMvw011zy0=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)," a piece of legislation that has now been passed into law in numerous states across the country that gives Governors extraordinary, dictator-like powers in the event of declared pandemics to seize private property and use military assets to enforce quarantines and deliver mandatory vaccines. The other apparent motivation for the 2009 panic was simply to scare up money for vaccine manufacturers, something that worked very well. As the Council of Europe noted in a report (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4Wsq5DtIU4HZSgqTHkofeOjda 2x9ppjLmHJc3gYuKWQpgwljjuvbPN9YeHkDrbGHTsTi4m85_3b hbdlQjH1NrEXn5ewUMV5C4tzbY9W7aeDEnhRJQ4zaL5-iOLfqRKLGCqCViUtIv6_Ip-Xm15nFzKi6JrvuJeFd52U9o-oagfs9tD-lB_ANkTA==&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) on the affair: "Some members of these advisory bodies evidently have professional links to certain pharmaceutical groups - notably through receiving extensive research grants from the big pharmaceutical groups - so that the neutrality of their advice could be contested. To date, WHO has failed to provide convincing evidence to counter these allegations and the organization has not published the relevant declarations of interest taking such a reserved position, the Organization has joined other bodies, such as the European Medicines Agency (EMEA), which likewise, have still not published such documents."

Could there be a similar motivation behind the promotion of terror in the 2014 Ebola epidemic? Surely there are economic interests behind the promotion of the newly-energized Ebola vaccine/treatment industry. As I point out in my recent podcast on "The Ebola Effect (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4OMyW9L224u3CI-ZjRq4c36bxlrRguOivrT8q7TlKXank1yihWxD-1LiROMsp3fFC_0XbM9zwTMHGfgM9cPD2o92bYevueRXoCxAwAo k8rPaRz904nHnI90mWN6vMUzfC8Cny1n25FQjhXfCYfGLT0bES clWE7_ht&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==)," these interests have already seen dramatic rises in stock value from the constant promotion of their brands on the evening news. (And, worryingly, many of them are connected directly to the US and Canadian biowarfare research complex via drug licensing agreements.) But in this case, as many in the alternative media have argued, the real motivation may be geopolitical in nature. The US and its allies have been looking for an excuse to send more troops into Africa for years now. Kony 2012 turned out to be a propaganda dud. Boko Haram failed to motivate the American people. But Ebola may just be the ticket that's needed to justify a large influx of American troops on African soil. The Brits, for their part, are already getting in on the action; less than 24 hours after it was announced (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN49HDo4pOGcc1JjBC_wAhGQKPh 08_U4bDh7tSi3lJL0NuQ6oUX7I0Iv0bFMwBLAAC19bqKzDhaav ku4zfM3mupJOVhXqcFle0EfJQkhRFZ4QUZzPH_jAtl8oZX0MrD jdJA-hAFqu9lQbVOWaSEi_TpjzD3N-W0PC9Lh_SJE3cUtoTHwrkMuZjL6-JQrVsbho4Zjo-3oolTu_U=&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) that 750 UK troops would be sent to Sierra Leone to help with Ebola containment efforts there it was revealed that the deployments were in fact already in progress (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001DodN0sPFXLCt7rC9NRVu4vMSUaMgMO0lncuYPC kgefSO3sh4lrIYDD2ATGcXvsN4XstZcNFz3lYzQ6vEThx8IdJR 9jLsZ2S3xhhRFbNPsMWuMMJoVLPuNqxhvSfxVz7dykMdjuB-J-e2GPobtGvDopp5FpsQy4qpJ10kFdN4oKif3EW0BLkg1EoWee3y KmGWZLO2bkrQyBKhliWE3BSCdN31RRWjZNC_PIxSIrG4xiVlju v5ndUtd0YjYiOdfTfN2j18jOmwE2cHA0tgMSiBugXnPEOQ1fuD&c=dJQnu4UmKU4HgPNCyOB0s5MHaWU_sVa-uMJQwxvu8h1RNXaogZ38Fw==&ch=iasumaUqMylv9OxLGr2AfU9URV7EOvmwaZILCmr55gn2I4U m6y5vAQ==) and many of the troops were already there.

So where does that leave us today? Unfortunately, it leaves us in a situation where all of the reports we are hearing about this supposed epidemic are based on admittedly faulty data being provided by governmental agencies that have admittedly lied and covered up such data in the past in order to promote fear and terror for political and economic ends. There is really only one way to counteract the fear that is being sown around this issue at the moment: ignore it. Tune it out. Turn off the TV and observe the actual world around you. Do you or anyone you know have Ebola? Has anyone in your community died in a bloody, violent manner as would be expected of a victim of hemorrhagic fever? Are there bodies of dead and dying lining the streets of your town? No? Good. Then take the average precautions that you would generally take in any cold and flu season (covering mouth when you cough, washing hands, etc.) and go about your daily business.

You are not going to die of Ebola. Live your life accordingly and forget what the terrorists are trying to tell you.

[R650R]

You could add to that article that the anthrax turned out to be a weaponized (very fine particle) version which need sophisticated labs to produce. It was not the garden variety version that used to plague wool handlers so had to come from a military source and not an afghani sheep herder etc...
BTW the recipients were all officials/people that opposed the Iraq war or questioned the circumstances of 911...

After saying no one on the plane was in danger... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797403/frontier-airlines-notifies-800-passengers-plane-carried-amber-vinson-ohio-health-officials-monitor-12-people-contact-her.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11168031/Whistleblower-nurse-describes-chaos-at-US-Ebola-hospital.html

[yokel]

operation "Ebola cash grab" is well under way.

now I get what all that ice bucket donation brainwashing was intended for, to set the stupids up for this bullshit

Fuck you John Kerry you awkward dry lying cunt

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[jonbuoy]

Theres no doubt thousands of people are dying from Ebola in Africa. Uncontained it would spread. Thank god there are people that are willing and able to go out there and do something to help them. The rest of us could donate to MSF or similar. The dregs of society can carry on spitting bullshit over their keyboards and monitors and crying conspiracy.

[yokel]

Theres no doubt thousands of people are dying from Ebola in Africa. Uncontained it would spread. Thank god there are people that are willing and able to go out there and do something to help them. The rest of us could donate to MSF or similar. The dregs of society can carry on spitting bullshit over their keyboards and monitors and crying conspiracy.

and how are they containing it?
by sending in troops and aid workers from around the world in to the Ebola hot bed then send them back home again, how the fuck is that containment?
not that they have to worry about containment as they obviously demonstrate because Ebola does not spread that easily unless you have "boots on the ground" walking it around all over the place.

[mashman]

Theres no doubt thousands of people are dying from Ebola in Africa. Uncontained it would spread. Thank god there are people that are willing and able to go out there and do something to help them. The rest of us could donate to MSF or similar. The dregs of society can carry on spitting bullshit over their keyboards and monitors and crying conspiracy.

:killingme why donate? Isn't there enough money, given that it's pulled from thin air, around to throw at the problem, coz that always works.

[yokel]

:killingme why donate? Isn't there enough money, given that it's pulled from thin air, around to throw at the problem, coz that always works.

well the IMF is going to pump a whole lot of money (debit) in to the "problem" that's going to make it go away

[jonbuoy]

:killingme why donate? Isn't there enough money, given that it's pulled from thin air, around to throw at the problem, coz that always works.

Your not aware of the risks MSF workers take or their need for support? Governments have been so slow to act without MSF or similar organisations things would be far worse.

[jonbuoy]

operation "Ebola cash grab" is well under way.

now I get what all that ice bucket donation brainwashing was intended for, to set the stupids up for this bullshit

Fuck you John Kerry you awkward dry lying cunt



Only a small portion of the people doing the ice bucket challenge donated - even so it raised $100 million for research into ALS. What have you ever done to help?

[mashman]

Your not aware of the risks MSF workers take or their need for support? Governments have been so slow to act without MSF or similar organisations things would be far worse.

I am very aware of the dangers that all involved are facing. As I said, why aren't they printing, say, $5 trillion to deal with the issue if money is all that is required to get the resources needed in place? Can Liberia, Sierra Leone etc... afford the resources required? If not, then why not? Seriously, money, or lack of, is what is stopping full-on action and likely because no one wants the associated debt/risk that'd accompany it. Tis a shame that govts have been slow to react, but the majority of the problems facing those govts are financial. The people are ready to get stuck in, the resources exist and could be setup relatively quickly, so why aren't they? No money. That may seem like a money rant, but it ain't, it's a sad fact.

[mashman]

:killingme why donate? Isn't there enough money, given that it's pulled from thin air, around to throw at the problem, coz that always works.

Sigh... wonder who's going to carry the cost coz it certainly won't be the IMF.

[jonbuoy]

I am very aware of the dangers that all involved are facing. As I said, why aren't they printing, say, $5 trillion to deal with the issue if money is all that is required to get the resources needed in place? Can Liberia, Sierra Leone etc... afford the resources required? If not, then why not? Seriously, money, or lack of, is what is stopping full-on action and likely because no one wants the associated debt/risk that'd accompany it. Tis a shame that govts have been slow to react, but the majority of the problems facing those govts are financial. The people are ready to get stuck in, the resources exist and could be setup relatively quickly, so why aren't they? No money. That may seem like a money rant, but it ain't, it's a sad fact.

No it's resources that are needed. The sad fact is in a crisis like this the only thing governments have to throw at the problem is the Armed forces hence the reason they send in the troops - we don't have anything else to offer. They can't ship out our health service workers as we need them ourselves.

[yokel]

Sigh... wonder who's going to carry the cost coz it certainly won't be the IMF.

we the debit slaves do, so we have to keep pumping out taxes, oil or what ever

[mashman]

No it's resources that are needed. The sad fact is in a crisis like this the only thing governments have to throw at the problem is the Armed forces hence the reason they send in the troops - we don't have anything else to offer. They can't ship out our health service workers as we need them ourselves.

Oh, so the resources will be given for free ;)? True, they can't ship our health service over there, but surely the technology exists where, for arguments sake, if I were so inclined I could go over there and send results over the wire or "skype" with a doctor etc... That we've let Africa end up in such a state in the first place... ach fuck it, we'll never learn.


we the debit slaves do, so we have to keep pumping out taxes, oil or what ever

Shirley you can't be serious :laugh:

[yokel]

Only a small portion of the people doing the ice bucket challenge donated - even so it raised $100 million for research into ALS. What have you ever done to help?

thats because a large portion of people are retards, just like the large portion of people that so willing to help out a "good cause"

the exposure of ALS bucket challenge is all about conditioning the retards to accept the idea of donating, so it will not be a big shock when they demand "donations"

[jonbuoy]

thats because a large portion of people are retards, just like the large portion of people that so willing to help out a "good cause"

the exposure of ALS bucket challenge is all about conditioning the retards to accept the idea of donating, so it will not be a big shock when they demand "donations"

I think your proving to be the biggest retard in the thread.

[jonbuoy]

Over 600,000. Don't believe me, go check the WHO site or google it.

Google how many people were infected with Malaria in 2012. If Ebola became as prevelant as Malaria how many more people would be killed. Even you should be able to do the maths - Ebola has a kill rate of 70% plus, Malaria has a kill rate of 15- 20%.

[yokel]

I think your proving to be the biggest retard in the thread.


If Ebola became as prevelant as Malaria how many more people would be killed. Even you should be able to do the maths - Ebola has a kill rate of 70% plus, Malaria has a kill rate of 15- 20%.

yes "what if" your grandmother had a penis?

You poor we thing, they got you all scared and stuff.
the only infection that is spreading is fear and you have a bad case of imsoscaredillbelieveanybullshitastruth itis.
oh please MR authority tell me everything is going to be ok?! what's that, you what my money? ok take my dam money! haha

[jonbuoy]

yes "what if" your grandmother had a penis?

You poor we thing, they got you all scared and stuff.
the only infection that is spreading is fear and you have a bad case of imsoscaredillbelieveanybullshitastruth itis.
oh please MR authority tell me everything is going to be ok?! what's that, you what my money? ok take my dam money! haha

I rest my case. Have you even been outside of the Waikato?

[yokel]

I rest my case. Have you even been outside of the Waikato?

That's right you confirm your own argument as true, well played fine sir

[flyingcrocodile46]

yes "what if" your grandmother had a penis?

You poor we thing, they got you all scared and stuff.
the only infection that is spreading is fear and you have a bad case of imsoscaredillbelieveanybullshitastruth itis.
oh please MR authority tell me everything is going to be ok?! what's that, you what my money? ok take my dam money! haha

Fucking retards like him are the target audience of choice for the fear mongers who will soon be brainwashing them into believing that marshal law is good for us. Small brains awash with fearful emotion require less effort to manipulate. Even when you spoon feed them a dose of reality, their sheeplike reaction is to stay in fear mode and ignore highlighted evidence of the outright lies being told to them by agencies such as WHO and the CDC. They fear everything unless it is nanny state sanctioned, yet would suck a poison coated penis if they were told it was a tit.

[Woodman]

Fucking retards like him are the target audience of choice for the fear mongers who will soon be brainwashing them into believing that marshal law is good for us. Small brains awash with fearful emotion require less effort to manipulate. Even when you spoon feed them a dose of reality, their sheeplike reaction is to stay in fear mode and ignore highlighted evidence of the outright lies being told to them by agencies such as WHO and the CDC. They fear everything unless it is nanny state sanctioned, yet would suck a poison coated penis if they were told it was a tit.

God I've missed you......:love:

[jonbuoy]

Fucking retards like him are the target audience of choice for the fear mongers who will soon be brainwashing them into believing that marshal law is good for us. Small brains awash with fearful emotion require less effort to manipulate. Even when you spoon feed them a dose of reality, their sheeplike reaction is to stay in fear mode and ignore highlighted evidence of the outright lies being told to them by agencies such as WHO and the CDC. They fear everything unless it is nanny state sanctioned, yet would suck a poison coated penis if they were told it was a tit.

Worked out those death figures yet? Ask A Liberian health worker if they are afraid of catching Ebola. You would be pissing your pants if you were actually involved in looking after these people. But of course it's not really happening, people aren't really dying - well not that you can see from behind your keyboard.

[mossy1200]

Its a shame you cant tell the bullshit from the facts when you try see what is happening.
Is it overstated for effect or understated due to lack of information?
Is it hype that makes good news or a cover story?
Have they told us the truth and do we know all possible transmission details? Do they even know all the facts yet?

Seems like a lot of theories by so called experts.
How with all the care taken of a known victim does 2 nurses contract the virus? This I cant understand unless the method of transmission has mutated and we haven't been told yet.

[jonbuoy]

Its a shame you cant tell the bullshit from the facts when you try see what is happening.
Is it overstated for effect or understated due to lack of information?
Is it hype that makes good news or a cover story?
Have they told us the truth and do we know all possible transmission details? Do they even know all the facts yet?

Seems like a lot of theories by so called experts.
How with all the care taken of a known victim does 2 nurses contract the virus? This I cant understand unless the method of transmission has mutated and we haven't been told yet.

I think the west were a bit arrogant in their treatment of the last two Ebola cases - safety wise. They need to knock it on the head in Africa - they could and should have done it months ago.

[mossy1200]

I think the west were a bit arrogant in their treatment of the last two Ebola cases - safety wise. They need to knock it on the head in Africa - they could and should have done it months ago.

Hate to say it but do you think some yanks are considering bombing the problem? Would they make plans like that. I think they would call it a option. Maybe im just thinking out to loud.
Protecting themselves against a war against terrorists that may contract and spread the virus perhaps.

[yokel]

Hate to say it but do you think some yanks are considering bombing the problem? Would they make plans like that. I think they would call it a option. Maybe im just thinking out to loud.
Protecting themselves against a war against terrorists that may contract and spread the virus perhaps.

We'll the yanks all of a sudden seem to be concerned about Africa becoming destabilized and we all know how they handle destabilized regions

[jonbuoy]

Hate to say it but do you think some yanks are considering bombing the problem? Would they make plans like that. I think they would call it a option. Maybe im just thinking out to loud.
Protecting themselves against a war against terrorists that may contract and spread the virus perhaps.

No way will they bomb Africa over Ebola. It's not a zombie apocalypse it's a nasty disease that could get out of control if they don't knock it on the head. The thought of some lunatics deliberately infecting themselves to spread it in a busy city doesn't bear thinking about. They would only have a short window -once it gets a hold on you I don't think you will be capable of walking anywhere.

[yokel]

well seen this stuff article earlier today and they have edited the title from being tested negative for Ebola to be cleared of Ebola.
and I'm dam sure it mentioned her being test negative for the "alleged" virus

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/62542934/spanish-nurse-cleared-of-ebola

[flyingcrocodile46]

Worked out those death figures yet? Ask A Liberian health worker if they are afraid of catching Ebola. You would be pissing your pants if you were actually involved in looking after these people. But of course it's not really happening, people aren't really dying - well not that you can see from behind your keyboard.

Build a bridge and get over yourself.



http://youtu.be/xZTrnn2PMwo

[flyingcrocodile46]

well seen this stuff article earlier today and they have edited the title from being tested negative for Ebola to be cleared of Ebola.
and I'm dam sure it mentioned her being test negative for the "alleged" virus

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/62542934/spanish-nurse-cleared-of-ebola


It was probably just that time of the month. I think jonbouy knows all about that. :msn-wink:

[jonbuoy]

It was probably just that time of the month. I think jonbouy knows all about that. :msn-wink:

Can you and Yokel clarify something? Do you believe:

A) Ebola is a real disease that is killing people but nothing to worry about in NZ.

B) Ebola is real, is killing people but it's been genetically engineered and is being strategically released for a greater purpose.

C) Ebola is not real and is purely a government conspiracy.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Can you and Yokel clarify something? Do you believe:

A) Ebola is a real disease that is killing people but nothing to worry about in NZ.

B) Ebola is real, is killing people but it's been genetically engineered and is being strategically released for a greater purpose.

C) Ebola is not real and is purely a government conspiracy.

I can only form my own opinion as to probabilities, and your parameters aren't those I would use to best describe the limited scenarios proposed, but at this stage I'd evaluate the likelihood of those scenarios independently and very approximately as;
A) 60% (on the very conservative side)
B) 50%
C)20%.
However, I think better probabilities lie with a partial blend of those (and other) scenarios, because history tells us that 'nothing is as complicated or simple as we imagine (before history exposes the truth)'.

[jonbuoy]

I can only form my own opinion as to probabilities, and your parameters aren't those I would use to best describe the limited scenarios proposed, but at this stage I'd evaluate the likelihood of those scenarios independently and very approximately as;
A) 60% (on the very conservative side)
B) 50%
C)20%.
However, I think better probabilities lie with a partial blend of those (and other) scenarios, because history tells us that 'nothing is as complicated or simple as we imagine (before history exposes the truth)'.

Ok so go ahead - whats your detailed opinion?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Ok so go ahead - whats your detailed opinion?

I don't have a "detailed" opinion. I have an ever evolving opinion that would take weeks if not months to accurately elucidate, and you have already rejected all attempts to give you any insight as to some of the 'details' that I factor into consideration. It would be a waste of my time.

In any event, you really ought to start doing some independent research and start forming your own opinions around probabilities (that are based only on facts disseminated from the rhetoric and biases that so often accompany them) rather than gambling on those of others. Especially those given to you by the MSM and governments.

[yokel]

Can you and Yokel clarify something? Do you believe:

A) Ebola is a real disease that is killing people but nothing to worry about in NZ.

B) Ebola is real, is killing people but it's been genetically engineered and is being strategically released for a greater purpose.

C) Ebola is not real and is purely a government conspiracy.

Ok let me play haha.

I'm mostly A with some B and C.

It's a minimal event used for maximum political gains fitting their agenda.
words like attack, fight, outbreak, killed and so on tells you all you need to know.

It's almost entertaining the ridiculousness how this Ebola is handled by the authorities and how it is presented by the MSM

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[jonbuoy]

So despite the wild conspiracy and denial theories your both generally agree that Ebola:

Is killing people in Africa
Is contagious by sweat/body fluids
Hasn't been deliberately released.

[jonbuoy]

I don't have a "detailed" opinion. I have an ever evolving opinion that would take weeks if not months to accurately elucidate, and you have already rejected all attempts to give you any insight as to some of the 'details' that I factor into consideration. It would be a waste of my time.

In any event, you really ought to start doing some independent research and start forming your own opinions around probabilities (that are based only on facts disseminated from the rhetoric and biases that so often accompany them) rather than gambling on those of others. Especially those given to you by the MSM and governments.

Please go ahead and explain your whole Ebola theory- I don't think it will take weeks or months - just the bullet points will do.

[yokel]

So despite the wild conspiracy and denial theories your both generally agree that Ebola:

Is killing people in Africa
Is contagious by sweat/body fluids
Hasn't been deliberately released.

That would be my opinion by your very general definition of wild conspiracy theories.
whats actually happing can be hard to tell and its a hell of a lot easier just to believe what the MSM is presenting as whats happening.
were are the facts? how exactly did these so call health workers contract Ebola if indeed they even it in the first place?

my suspicion is that at lest one of the US nurses didnt even have Ebola after showing non Ebola symptoms before being admitted to hospital.

now have they or will they deliberately release Ebola? who knows, but one thing is for sure they are deliberately misleading whats be reported.
eg that stuff article I linked that did not fit the MSM narrative hence being edited so that is does.
if that Spanish nurse has indeed been tested negative for Ebola then that is what should be fucking reported!

[jonbuoy]

That would be my opinion by your very general definition of wild conspiracy theories.
whats actually happing can be hard to tell and its a hell of a lot easier just to believe what the MSM is presenting as whats happening.
were are the facts? how exactly did these so call health workers contract Ebola if indeed they even it in the first place?

my suspicion is that at lest one of the US nurses didnt even have Ebola after showing non Ebola symptoms before being admitted to hospital.

now have they or will they deliberately release Ebola? who knows, but one thing is for sure they are deliberately misleading whats be reported.
eg that stuff article I linked that did not fit the MSM narrative hence being edited so that is does.
if that Spanish nurse has indeed been tested negative for Ebola then that is what should be fucking reported!

I think there might be some confusion with the Spanish nurse - when the say she tests "negative for Ebola" it means its no longer in her system. It doesnt mean she wasnt diagnosed with Ebola in the first place.

[awa355]

The Nigerians have cured ebola. Apparently.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11345670

[Akzle]

The Nigerians have cured ebola. Apparently.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11345670

i guess all that money from all those dead princes went unclaimed and they plowed it into medical research;)

[yokel]

i guess all that money from all those dead princes went unclaimed and they plowed it into medical research;)

Looks like they are getting on the Ebola scam wagon too

[oldrider]

Chlorine Dioxide would probably kill the Ebola virus! ..... :bash: . :yes: ... Very cheap too! ... No good to drug companies though, no money in it for them! :no:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Please go ahead and explain your whole Ebola theory- I don't think it will take weeks or months - just the bullet points will do.

I am more concerned about the insidious progress of the much more worrisome contagion that you are already carrying close to your heart and attempting to spread to others.

Want a clue.

http://youtu.be/a91RTNA9Ejk

[R650R]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-liberian-scientist-claims-the-u-s-is-responsible-for-the-ebola-outbreak-in-west-africa/5408459

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/10/secret-project-created-weaponized-ebola.html

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/08-10-2014/128746-ebola_virus-0/

[Tazz]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55377268.jpg

http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-to-protect-yourself-against-ebola,37085/

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tracking-ebola-in-the-united-states,37218/

And what possibly turns out to be a pretty correct prediction here....:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/experts-ebola-vaccine-at-least-50-white-people-awa,36580/

[Swoop]

This disease is the primary reason I don't have sex with monkeys.
I find the budget for bananas far too prohibitive.:mad:

Interesting! I haven't read that but vaguely remember another well-known author from around that time doing something similar.
Dale Brown: Storming Heaven (c.1994), perhaps?
Using civilian aircraft to attack targets in urban areas (White House, etc).

[jonbuoy]

I am more concerned about the insidious progress of the much more worrisome contagion that you are already carrying close to your heart and attempting to spread to others.

Want a clue.


The only message I'm trying to spread is:

Ebola isn't only Africa's problem/responsibility

Charities shouldn't be bearing the load on their own. We have NATO and armies why can't we have an international humanitarian response team.

Do you disagree with either of those two points?

[Swoop]

Probably tested or brought by the aliens in area 51 which is pixilated out on Google Earth.
Just checked and it is still not pixelated out.
Neither is area52.

[R650R]

We have NATO and armies why can't we have an international humanitarian response team.



Get with the program! How are the corporate Elite supposed to accomplish their combo pack of depopulation whilst selling world govts an overpriced placebo vaccine for a manufactured bio weapon? Do you realise how much time and money they invested in setting this up, their not going to throw it away because soneone in NZ wants to save Africa.

NATO is nothing more than a geopolitical human shield to stop Russian Ogliarchs working with Western Europe and expanding.

[jonbuoy]

Get with the program! How are the corporate Elite supposed to accomplish their combo pack of depopulation whilst selling world govts an overpriced placebo vaccine for a manufactured bio weapon? Do you realise how much time and money they invested in setting this up, their not going to throw it away because soneone in NZ wants to save Africa.

NATO is nothing more than a geopolitical human shield to stop Russian Ogliarchs working with Western Europe and expanding.

Were you starved of oxygen at birth?

[yokel]

The only message I'm trying to spread is:

Ebola isn't only Africa's problem/responsibility

Charities shouldn't be bearing the load on their own. We have NATO and armies why can't we have an international humanitarian response team.

Do you disagree with either of those two points?

"international humanitarian response team" hahahahahahahaha you fucking kill me man

[Virago]

Were you starved of oxygen at birth?

I think he's lost his foil hat.

[yokel]

I am more concerned about the insidious progress of the much more worrisome contagion that you are already carrying close to your heart and attempting to spread to others.

Want a clue.

http://youtu.be/a91RTNA9Ejk

ha! I forgot all about the anthrax, it's in the mail apparently.
oh the memorises of 911 what a strange day

[jonbuoy]

Did Anthrax kill 4500 people in 6 months?

[awa355]

Who needs ebola?? NZ has "The Flu"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10650629/Vaccine-no-match-for-rogue-flu-strain

[R650R]

Were you starved of oxygen at birth?

No but I think your using more than your fair share ;p

[oldrider]

Who needs ebola?? NZ has "The Flu"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10650629/Vaccine-no-match-for-rogue-flu-strain

My oldest brother has just been diagnosed with the "90 day flue" he has had his free flue shots each year but still gets these rogue bouts of flue!

We on the other hand do not get flue shots because of unrelated problems but manage to contain flue attacks to a few sniffles using Chlorine Dioxide!

Not making any claims ... except that "so far" it has been working well for us. :yes:

[mashman]

Ebola Doctors showing symptoms in Nu Yoik. (http://rt.com/usa/198732-new-york-doctor-ebola-symptoms/)

[R650R]

Did you see the fearporn shot of the cops wearing dustmasks. 100% useless against viral/bacterial exposure. Even if they wore a proper medical version of same its useless without eye protection.
Then what happens when you take the old mask off without gloves/procedures, you touch the outside contaminated surface anyway!!!

I note the African burial teams did the right thing burning all their suits but then the stretcher used is still there ready to be dragged through the bush/countryside for another body...

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/08-10-2014/128746-ebola_virus-0/

[awa355]

An American nurse tells her story of being quarantined upon arrival back in the US.

'http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11348538

A quote 'No less than eight police cars then escorted her to the hospital.

"Sirens blared, lights flashed. Again, I wondered what I had done wrong,". Eight police cars FFS!! :facepalm::facepalm:

[R650R]

An interesting view given the time of Apples new Iphone electronic payment mass release to society...

excuse the caps cut n paste

THEY'RE PUSHING THIS EBOLA THING ON EVERY CHANNEL IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS DIED OF EBOLA IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EXTREMELY HARD TO TRANSMIT.

LETS FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS PUSH.....

1 WHAT IF THE PREZ CALLS OFF THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHICH THE DEMS ARE EXPECTING TO LOSE BECAUSE OF EBOLA, AND THE EXCUSE WILL BE THAT EVERYONE IN ELECTION BOOTHS WILL BE CONGREGATING, AND PULLING CONTAMINATED LEVERS, ETC....???

2 WHAT IF THEY THEN SUSPEND USAGE OF ALL PAPER MONEY DUE TO THE CHANCE THE PAPER MONEY ITSELF COULD SPREAD THE EBOLA VIRUS. CONCLUSION....

THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A PERFECT STORM...!!!

THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF "PUSH" ON THIS EBOLA THING, WITH ONLY ONE DEATH, FOR THIS TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PLANNED SERIES OF EVENTS TO KEEP THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION IN POWER.....

ALSO NOTE THE SHOOTINGS IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, BOTH HERE AND IN CANADA..

SOMETHING REALLY STINKS.....



My comments: YOU MAY HAVE NAILED IT. - Ebola would be a perfect excuse to chip everyone to avoid "spread of infection" via paper money. What a whopper, BANG ON along with the rest of it.

[yokel]

An interesting view given the time of Apples new Iphone electronic payment mass release to society...

excuse the caps cut n paste

THEY'RE PUSHING THIS EBOLA THING ON EVERY CHANNEL IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS DIED OF EBOLA IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EXTREMELY HARD TO TRANSMIT.

LETS FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS PUSH.....

1 WHAT IF THE PREZ CALLS OFF THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHICH THE DEMS ARE EXPECTING TO LOSE BECAUSE OF EBOLA, AND THE EXCUSE WILL BE THAT EVERYONE IN ELECTION BOOTHS WILL BE CONGREGATING, AND PULLING CONTAMINATED LEVERS, ETC....???

2 WHAT IF THEY THEN SUSPEND USAGE OF ALL PAPER MONEY DUE TO THE CHANCE THE PAPER MONEY ITSELF COULD SPREAD THE EBOLA VIRUS. CONCLUSION....

THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A PERFECT STORM...!!!

THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF "PUSH" ON THIS EBOLA THING, WITH ONLY ONE DEATH, FOR THIS TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PLANNED SERIES OF EVENTS TO KEEP THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION IN POWER.....

ALSO NOTE THE SHOOTINGS IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, BOTH HERE AND IN CANADA..

SOMETHING REALLY STINKS.....



My comments: YOU MAY HAVE NAILED IT. - Ebola would be a perfect excuse to chip everyone to avoid "spread of infection" via paper money. What a whopper, BANG ON along with the rest of it.

well I already have a chip in my credit card so they're part way there.

my take on Ebola and the political heat we are experiencing is for a lock down or quarantine of the US dude to radioactive fallout from Fukushima.

get ready for a whole lot more climate change BS

[oldrider]

Something else to read about Ebola:http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-lie-exposed

[Laava]

And here was I thinking that Ebola might be the best thing that has happened to this planet for a long time!

[Akzle]

And here was I thinking that Ebola might be the best thing that has happened to this planet for a long time!

i wouldnt worry about the planet homie. When she's had enough she'll just sneeze and erase any trace of humanoids from history.

[oldrider]

i wouldnt worry about the planet homie. When she's had enough she'll just sneeze and erase any trace of humanoids from history.

True! The world doesn't owe us anything ... it was here long before us! ... Mark Twain. :sunny:

[Tazz]

i wouldnt worry about the planet homie. When she's had enough she'll just sneeze and erase any trace of humanoids from history.

Best thing I read on climate change was along those lines. Life will carry on no bother, it just won't include us :laugh:

[george formby]

This Ebola thing is being driven out of proportion to increase viewing figures for the media corps which leads to increased advertising revenue. The consequent alarm of the couch mounted masses forces the powers that be to make decisions which make them look pro active in the murky media light.
Conspiracy's? I think not.

[oldrider]

Exciting news is that Otago University are sending their new portable "Freedom4" virus/bactera detecting device (qPCR) for on the spot diagnostics!

My worry is they will not be able to diagnose the Ebola virus with it because it is claimed the Ebola virus does not exist and has never been identified!

The WHO will (wrongfully) proclaim the Freedom4 a failure rather than admit that they have been wrong about Ebola all the time!

Article about Freedom4 in the Otago Daily Times page 6 today! ... Will try to follow up on this one! :yes:

[awa355]

Best thing I read on climate change was along those lines. Life will carry on no bother, it just won't include us :laugh:

Vegetation will cover the cities, strange things will crawl out of the swamps, and one day, something will stand up on its back legs~~ and the whole circus will start again:facepalm::facepalm:

[awa355]

Still some enterprising people around. I guess someone was going to try this sooner or later.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11349180

[oldrider]

Otago Daily Times article on "Freedom4" pathogen monitoring device: http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/university-otago/313904/potential-life-saver-launched

Being sent to Africa nations to help with Ebola --- Probably fail because there is no virus to capture! :sick:

Article on fast forwarding Freedom4 for helping Ebola crisis: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/321367/dunedin-device-fast-tracked

TV3 news item on Freedom4 device launch: http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/portable-laboratory-device-a-breakthrough-for-field-work-2014082618

[SPman]

The Ebola Story Doesn’t Smell Right
Paul Craig Roberts
The federal government has announced that thousands of additional US soldiers are being sent to Liberia. General Gary Volesky said the troops would “stamp out” ebola.
The official story is that combat troops are being sent to build treatment structures for those infected with ebola.
Why combat troops? Why not send a construction outfit such as an engineer battalion if it has to be military? Why not do what the government usually does and contract with a construction company to build the treatment units? “Additional thousands of troops” results in a very large inexperienced construction crew for 17 treatment units. It doesn’t make sense.

Stories that don’t make sense and that are not explained naturally arouse suspicions, such as: Are US soldiers being used to test ebola vaccines and cures, or more darkly are they being used to bring more ebola back to the US?
I understand why people ask these questions. The fact that they will receive no investigative answer will deepen suspicions..............


It doesn't make sense? Does when you realise there are 3 US Biological Warfare laboratories in that neck of the woods......

[carbonhed]

It doesn't make sense? Does when you realise there are 3 US Biological Warfare laboratories in that neck of the woods......

Awesome! You've now spent spent so much time with your face pressed firmly between the butt cheeks of the mouthpiece for Russian intelligence that you have been magically transformed into an "Anus of The Glorious Revolution"... First Class. Your medal will be presented by the reanimated corpse of Leonid Brezhnev. It's a big "fuck off" star in base metal so the other passengers on the short bus are going to be mightily impressed. Bravo Comrade.

[Katman]

Awesome! You've now spent spent so much time with your face pressed firmly between the butt cheeks of the mouthpiece for Russian intelligence that you have been magically transformed into an "Anus of The Glorious Revolution"... First Class. Your medal will be presented by the reanimated corpse of Leonid Brezhnev. It's a big "fuck off" star in base metal so the other passengers on the short bus are going to be mightily impressed. Bravo Comrade.

You sound a little tense.

[R650R]

Awesome! You've now spent spent so much time with your face pressed firmly between the butt cheeks of the mouthpiece for Russian intelligence that you have been magically transformed into an "Anus of The Glorious Revolution"... First Class. Your medal will be presented by the reanimated corpse of Leonid Brezhnev. It's a big "fuck off" star in base metal so the other passengers on the short bus are going to be mightily impressed. Bravo Comrade.

Yes Russia plays the game a bit too, at least they hire some decent eye candy for their news shows like RT and make the propaganda souns believeable.
Where as the USA version CNN FOX etc spout such unbelieveable nonsense even the most retarded backwater redneck hillybilly has trouble swallowing it...

Russia and China both want control of the same strategic areas as USA like Africa, eastern Europe, western asia etc... but at least they do it with trade deals not by bombing the crap out of civilians and installing puppet dictators...

[R650R]

No wonder they cant contain it, the bloody medical contamination suits are made in China!!!! http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2024954019_apxchinaebolasuits.html

By the way this thread has been going three months now and we're not all dead yet...

[jonbuoy]

No wonder they cant contain it, the bloody medical contamination suits are made in China!!!! http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2024954019_apxchinaebolasuits.html

By the way this thread has been going three months now and we're not all dead yet...

Barely gets a mention in the news now no more white people are dying.

[Katman]

Barely gets a mention in the news now no more white people are dying.

I wonder what dirty little deals were done while we weren't watching.

[Swoop]

Hasn't the Lunatic Fringe party (greens) solved this worldwide disease with homeopathy?

[bluninja]

Hasn't the Lunatic Fringe party (greens) solved this worldwide disease with homeopathy?

Yes but it's not a complete solution....more like 1 part per million solution:rolleyes:

[oldrider]

Yes but it's not a complete solution....more like 1 part per million solution:rolleyes:

That comment is quite cleaver .. deserves more acclaim than it will get on KB though, bit of a waste! :confused:

[R650R]

The Ebola hoax continues... note how it hasn't been newsworthy since other stuff has been in the news, you'd almost think a cure had been developed or they's stopped spreading the disease....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/67367333/Ebola-scare-patient-in-isolation-at-hospital

Check out the pics here and the token isolation of aircrew and unmasked bystanders. Interior of helicopter looks unlined....

http://snpa.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Wellington-RNZAF-chopper-transported-a-nurse-with-Ebola-symptoms/G0000khawIYhEQdM/I0000dSGLNKfsW9U