EBOLA, creeping timebomb?

[awa355]

Is this just a passing phase like Bird/Swine flu? or something deadlier?
Seems strange that such a deadly natural occuring desease has only been reconized since 1976. 1500 dead from Ebola so far, doesn't seem like a lot.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11305873

[Katman]

Is this just a passing phase like Bird/Swine flu? or something deadlier?


Either that or something to keep people's minds off other issues.

[bluninja]

Well a flu pandemic would be much worse. At least in this outbreak the reported death rate is 55% of infected. Earlier outbreaks were 90% mortality. At least the virus hasn't yet gone airborne.

Hmmmm imagine if an infected person was given a semtex vest and then blew themselves up in a place packed with people.....Helllo Bio-terrorism :eek5:

[mashman]

Well a flu pandemic would be much worse. At least in this outbreak the reported death rate is 55% of infected. Earlier outbreaks were 90% mortality. At least the virus hasn't yet gone airborne.

Hmmmm imagine if an infected person was given a semtex vest and then blew themselves up in a place packed with people.....Helllo Bio-terrorism :eek5:

Perhaps the local population have more of an immune defense than the rest of the world?

Are you volunteering your services?

[pzkpfw]

Well a flu pandemic would be much worse. At least in this outbreak the reported death rate is 55% of infected. Earlier outbreaks were 90% mortality. At least the virus hasn't yet gone airborne.

...

A lower death rate can help it spread further, so can actually be worse (in the long run) than a high death rate.

(e.g. the ultimate deadly virus that instantly killed the infected person, would itself die out if there was then no way for it to spread to the next person.)

An Ebola that spread easily via a sneeze before the host dies - that'd be something to get very very scared of.

[oldrider]

Is this just a passing phase like Bird/Swine flu? or something deadlier?
Seems strange that such a deadly natural occuring desease has only been reconized since 1976. 1500 dead from Ebola so far, doesn't seem like a lot.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11305873

Creation of mass fear and then "suddenly" a medical breakthrough and the "compulsory" need to vaccinate all citizens by law!

How extraordinarily surprising ... a law for "compulsory mass medication around the world" ... fear of the masses will demand it be done ... gotcha! :shifty:

[Laava]

Creation of mass fear and then "suddenly" a medical breakthrough and the "compulsory" need to vaccinate all citizens by law!

How extraordinarily surprising ... a law for "compulsory mass medication around the world" ... fear of the masses will demand it be done ... gotcha! :shifty:
Bet they sneak a little microchip in there to control our minds while they're at it!

[mashman]

Bet they sneak a little microchip in there to control our minds while they're at it!

Yeah, but that would require that you had a mind first.

[Laava]

Yeah, but that would require that you had a mind first.

Feeling a bit bitchy today bro?

[mashman]

Feeling a bit bitchy today bro?

Nah... you feeling a little sorry for yourself are ya hun?

[Oscar]

Ebola is about as infectious as leprosy.
In a western setting it simply would not propagate.

[Laava]

Nah... you feeling a little sorry for yourself are ya hun?

Yep, I'm still at work.

[JimO]

its the start of the zombie apocalypse

[unstuck]

Either that or something to keep people's minds off other issues.

Seems to be my take on it too. :shifty:

[mashman]

Yep, I'm still at work.

Ach that'll be over soon... and it's the weekend too.

[Swoop]

Yeah, but that would require that you had a mind first.
Ooh! The irony-meter went completely off the scale just then!

[Laava]

Ach that'll be over soon... and it's the weekend too.

Wots a weekend?

[oldrider]

Wots a weekend?

It's the part that I hold when I'm standing at the porcilaine! :facepalm:

[Oakie]

If you want a good read about ebola I can refer you to the excellent 'Executive Orders' by Tom Clancy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Orders. It also has another stroy line that is very close to what is going on in Iraq at present.

[mashman]

Ooh! The irony-meter went completely off the scale just then!

It certainly did.


Wots a weekend?

Doing lots of stuff that other people want to do.

[R650R]

Ebola is just one of a wide family of Hemmoragic fever viruses.
Like all viruses it's evolved over time. The original version was too deadly and killed the host before it could spread far. This latest incarnation has a longer incubation period and takes longer to kill.
Interesting this is all happening just after a ebola vaccine has been patented... and the bill gates foundation was operating in same area... right when we need to be distracted from MH370/17 Israel and collapsing USA dollar...
It is said that extreme high doses of vitamin C may offer some hope.

Highly suspicious that they flew the two infected doctors to USA and without the proper containment facilities. This virus is just as 'airborne' transmissible as any other virus.
It can float on water vapour particles rising off footwear and clothing that has been contaminated by sneezing or coughing.

Well I'm not rushing for the hills yet, its certainly too cold lol

Mar, 2014 - Infected: 104 Dead: 62
Apr, 2014 - Infected: 194 Dead: 116
May, 2014 - Infected: 360 Dead: 216
Jun, 2014 - Infected: 670 Dead: 402
Jul, 2014 - Infected: 1,247 Dead: 748
Aug, 2014 - Infected: 2,319 Dead: 1,391
Sep, 2014 - Infected: 4,313 Dead: 2,588
Oct, 2014 - Infected: 8,022 Dead: 4,813
Nov, 2014 - Infected: 14,921 Dead: 8,953
Dec, 2014 - Infected: 27,753 Dead: 16,652
Jan, 2015 - Infected: 51,621 Dead: 30,973
Feb, 2015 - Infected: 96,016 Dead: 57,610
Mar, 2015 - Infected: 178,590 Dead: 107,154
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 332,177 Dead: 199,306
May, 2015 - Infected: 617,849 Dead: 370,709
Jun, 2015 - Infected: 1,149,199 Dead: 689,519
Jul, 2015 - Infected: 2,137,510 Dead: 1,282,506
Aug, 2015 - Infected: 3,975,768 Dead: 2,385,461
Sep, 2015 - Infected: 7,394,928 Dead: 4,436,957
Oct, 2015 - Infected: 13,754,567 Dead: 8,252,740
Nov, 2015 - Infected: 25,583,494 Dead: 15,350,096
Dec, 2015 - Infected: 47,585,299 Dead: 28,551,179
Jan, 2016 - Infected: 88,508,656 Dead: 53,105,193
Feb, 2016 - Infected: 164,626,099 Dead: 98,775,660
Mar, 2016 - Infected: 306,204,545 Dead: 183,722,727
Apr, 2016 - Infected: 569,540,453 Dead: 341,724,272
May, 2016 - Infected: 1,059,345,243 Dead: 635,607,146
Jun, 2016 - Infected: 1,970,382,153 Dead: 1,182,229,292
Jul, 2016 - Infected: 3,664,910,804 Dead: 2,198,946,482
Aug, 2016 - Infected: 6,816,734,096 Dead: 4,090,040,457

[unstuck]

Mar, 2014 - Infected: 104 Dead: 62
Apr, 2014 - Infected: 194 Dead: 116
May, 2014 - Infected: 360 Dead: 216
Jun, 2014 - Infected: 670 Dead: 402
Jul, 2014 - Infected: 1,247 Dead: 748
Aug, 2014 - Infected: 2,319 Dead: 1,391
Sep, 2014 - Infected: 4,313 Dead: 2,588
Oct, 2014 - Infected: 8,022 Dead: 4,813
Nov, 2014 - Infected: 14,921 Dead: 8,953
Dec, 2014 - Infected: 27,753 Dead: 16,652
Jan, 2015 - Infected: 51,621 Dead: 30,973
Feb, 2015 - Infected: 96,016 Dead: 57,610
Mar, 2015 - Infected: 178,590 Dead: 107,154
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 332,177 Dead: 199,306
May, 2015 - Infected: 617,849 Dead: 370,709
Jun, 2015 - Infected: 1,149,199 Dead: 689,519
Jul, 2015 - Infected: 2,137,510 Dead: 1,282,506
Aug, 2015 - Infected: 3,975,768 Dead: 2,385,461
Sep, 2015 - Infected: 7,394,928 Dead: 4,436,957
Oct, 2015 - Infected: 13,754,567 Dead: 8,252,740
Nov, 2015 - Infected: 25,583,494 Dead: 15,350,096
Dec, 2015 - Infected: 47,585,299 Dead: 28,551,179
Jan, 2016 - Infected: 88,508,656 Dead: 53,105,193
Feb, 2016 - Infected: 164,626,099 Dead: 98,775,660
Mar, 2016 - Infected: 306,204,545 Dead: 183,722,727
Apr, 2016 - Infected: 569,540,453 Dead: 341,724,272
May, 2016 - Infected: 1,059,345,243 Dead: 635,607,146
Jun, 2016 - Infected: 1,970,382,153 Dead: 1,182,229,292
Jul, 2016 - Infected: 3,664,910,804 Dead: 2,198,946,482
Aug, 2016 - Infected: 6,816,734,096 Dead: 4,090,040,457

Dafuck is that supposed to be.:confused:

[R650R]

Dafuck is that supposed to be.:confused:

My copy from the 2017 Annual World Almanac of Sports Results and Trivia. Gotta go catcha lightening bolt, 1.21 gigawatts hard to come by...

Someone did an extrapolation based on current infection rates

[mada]

Dafuck is that supposed to be.:confused:

Someones been playing pandemic 2.

Meanwhile 60,000 people die each year from the Zombie virus - Rabies.

[mada]

in the meantime, looks like its spread to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/disease-outbreaks-map

[Edbear]

It's just another issue for the conspiracy theorists to get over excited about.

Doncha know? Everything is a conspiracy nowadays... Disasters just don't happen, they are all orchestrated by the US Govt. ;)

[unstuck]

.

Someone did an extrapolation based on current infection rates

So someone made some shit up, in other words? :facepalm:

[Urano]

[...]
Interesting this is all happening just after a ebola vaccine has been patented... and the bill gates foundation was operating in same area...
[...]
It is said that extreme high doses of vitamin C may offer some hope.

Highly suspicious that they flew the two infected doctors to USA and without the proper containment facilities. This virus is just as 'airborne' transmissible as any other virus.
It can float on water vapour particles rising off footwear and clothing that has been contaminated by sneezing or coughing.

Well I'm not rushing for the hills yet


oh my f' god!
somebody please tells him where the hills are... :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Daffyd]

Creation of mass fear and then "suddenly" a medical breakthrough and the "compulsory" need to vaccinate all citizens by law!

How extraordinarily surprising ... a law for "compulsory mass medication around the world" ... fear of the masses will demand it be done ... gotcha! :shifty:

Got it in one!

[awa355]

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Untitledpicture-28.png

[Brian d marge]

It's the part that I hold when I'm standing at the porcilaine! :facepalm:


hahahahahaaa well done .......


Stephen
must spread the love ,,,blAH BLAH

[mada]

oh my f' god!
somebody please tells him where the hills are... :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

It's coming.................................!!!!! :killingme


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIxtN9J7HVg

[Ender EnZed]

Someones been playing pandemic 2.

That shit's infective.

[Akzle]

It's the part that I hold when I'm standing at the porcilaine! :facepalm:

half a viagra in the morning...
Stops ya dribbling on your slippers.

[Winston001]

Ebola, as R650 says, is a hemorrhagic viral disease of which there are five variants. Hemorrhagic viruses attack blood cells in mucual membranes and the GI tract. The rabbit disease RHD/RCD (Calicivirus) is Ebola for rabbits. Nasty nasty illness.

Ebola has only been known in human populations since 1976 which is similar to HIV incidence, both being viruses which have crossed the species barrier.

The current outbreak is Ebola Zaire which is one of the less fatal variants - about 60%, but dangerous because it has more time to be spread through contact with bodily fluids.

Ebola however is not easily transmitted. Influenza is magnitudes better at it.

[oldrider]

Ebola, as R650 says, is a hemorrhagic viral disease of which there are five variants. Hemorrhagic viruses attack blood cells in mucual membranes and the GI tract. The rabbit disease RHD/RCD (Calicivirus) is Ebola for rabbits. Nasty nasty illness.

Ebola has only been known in human populations since 1976 which is similar to HIV incidence, both being viruses which have crossed the species barrier.

The current outbreak is Ebola Zaire which is one of the less fatal variants - about 60%, but dangerous because it has more time to be spread through contact with bodily fluids.

Ebola however is not easily transmitted. Influenza is magnitudes better at it.

It doesn't matter how dangerous it is as a disease it's the fear factor that is important, it encourages mass medical inervention by a frightened world populance!

God help those who resist the planned vaccines and serums ... the frightened populace will kill them or drive them into the hands of the medical saviours!

Never get in the way of drug company and it's perceived fortune $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. :facepalm:

Link: http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/is-it-ebola-or-is-it-psychological-warfare/?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=48b

[Hoon]

Ebola however is not easily transmitted. Influenza is magnitudes better at it.

Yeah I'm not too convinced just yet. Something's obviously different about this outbreak and the biggest mistake we could make is making assumptions based on what we currently know about Ebola when it could have mutated somehow and caught us by surprise.

The US have the right idea whisking away their infected and are no doubt testing up a storm.

I'll feel a lot more comfortable once the daily infection rate stops its exponential growth and flattens out instead. The longer it continues the closer it gets to that flashpoint where panic sets in, people start running and containment becomes a lot harder.

[Akzle]

im just getting over a case of ebola. Loooove opiates.

[unstuck]

im just getting over a case of ebola. Loooove opiates.

You been fucking monkeys again?:whistle:

[awa355]

It doesn't matter how dangerous it is as a disease it's the fear factor that is important, it encourages mass medical inervention by a frightened world populance!

God help those who resist the planned vaccines and serums ... the frightened populace will kill them or drive them into the hands of the medical saviours!

Never get in the way of drug company and it's perceived fortune $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. :facepalm:

Link: http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/is-it-ebola-or-is-it-psychological-warfare/?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=48b

Thats a good link. At the bottom of the blog is a link to another article. Here is a piece from that.

"The “hot zone” areas of Ebola, Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia, have been decimated for a long time: war, extreme poverty, malnutrition, starvation, contaminated water supplies, exposure to toxic industrial chemicals, vast toxic overuse of antibiotics, pesticides (some of them banned in other countries), expired and unrefrigerated medicines, vaccines (which, when given to people whose immune systems are already hanging on by a thread, can be lethal)".

If the drug companies do come up with a cure, it will only be the rich who will be able to buy it.

[yokel]

It's coming.................................!!!!! :killingme


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIxtN9J7HVg

It's coming? fuck think I already have it!

[Brian d marge]

It's coming? fuck think I already have it!

You should see how many there are over here and how many I have to work with

When SHTF this lot will be standing at 7/11 with a stupid look on their face wondering why there aint no toilet paper

( if ya think im joking , it only takes a suggestion and over night the stocks of a product will disappear.... last wee shake it was toilet paper, gasoline and water ....stupid zombies)

Thats the real Zombie apocalypse....


anyway ....i feel a song coming on;



I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola
See-oh-el- bola

She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
El-oh-el-aye ebola la-la-la-la ebola


sooooo in the meantime

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10542973_10152261916963317_4563510517622707721_n.j pg


Dont worry

Stephen

[unstuck]

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[jonbuoy]

It must be fairly easy to transmit as a fair few aid workers and doctors have been infected now and you would assume they have been taking the right precautions and wearing the right kit.

[Swoop]

Highly suspicious that they flew the two infected doctors to USA and without the proper containment facilities.
Now then. Your starter for 10 on University Challenge.
Where abouts in America were the infected people taken?
Bonus 5 points:
What is the name of the facility they were taken to?
Bonus 5 points:
What is its purpose (globally centred question here)?

[AllanB]

I've been watching zombie movies for most of my life. I am prepared. My family will be safe as long as they follow my instructions :yes:

[Brian d marge]

lola

ello lola

http://images.dannychoo.com/stockimg/newhalf.jpg


either that or Im speaking swedish ......
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Stefan

[Winston001]

Something's obviously different about this outbreak and the biggest mistake we could make is making assumptions based on what we currently know about Ebola when it could have mutated somehow and caught us by surprise.


Previous outbreaks of Ebola have occurred in jungle villages across central Africa from the Sudan to Liberia. That means each outbreak has been in a small isolated population and the disease has died out by itself or through medical containment.

The difference today is that Ebola has occurred in a large city where it was impossible to contain. Infected people have travelled to other cities in West Africa unknowingly carrying the virus with them. Hospitals in Africa are very basic with relatives attending the sick, bringing them food, and washing the sheets. There are myriad ways to contact human body fluids in such situations - simply kissing a sick patient is enough.

Handling a dead relative as you prepare the body for burial is normal and deadly.




If the drug companies do come up with a cure, it will only be the rich who will be able to buy it.

Thats unfair and wrong.

So far there is no known vaccine for Ebola (or Marberg either) although its been worked on for years by CDC and USAMRID.

Similarly there is no vaccine for AIDS despite the ravages of this disease in wealthy Western populations. There are however medicines which slow AIDS and despite the cynicism about drug companies, these treatments are available in Africa.

[pritch]

Previous outbreaks of Ebola have occurred in jungle villages across central Africa from the Sudan to Liberia. That means each outbreak has been in a small isolated population and the disease has died out by itself or through medical containment.


What happened in the villages was that food would be placed in the door of the victims house, if the food stopped being eaten, they'd call out. If there was no answer they'd set fire to the house. Simple but effective.

That can't work in a city. There has also been a huge amount of misinformation going the rounds, "The disease was introduced by space aliens". "The medical staff are spreading the disease," etc etc. To be fair the doctors must look scary in all that kit. Also the families want to bury victims according to custom, not just have them thrown in a pit as is currently necessary. The locals are not always cooperative.

Last time there was an outbreak I consoled myself with the thought that I hadn't been anywhere that I could have caught the disease. One night I was dozing on the couch and I became aware of the word Marburg being used repeatedly. I opened my eyes to see a picture of the Marburg Landgrafenschloss. The castle is now owned by the university, part of it is a museum, another part apparently houses monkeys and had experienced an outbreak of the disease. At that time I had been to the museum not long since.

There have been school groups from Europe visiting West Africa, sports teams from there are competing around the world, it would seem a considerable element of luck will be involved in containing the disease.

[scrivy]

There have been school groups from Europe visiting West Africa, sports teams from there are competing around the world, it would seem a considerable element of luck will be involved in containing the disease.


"The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus. It infected 500 million people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them—three to five percent of the world's population—making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history"

Globalisation is worse nowadays................ :crazy:

[flyingcrocodile46]

A pretty concise summary of the outbreak and it's progress can be found here.. http://www.corbettreport.com/ebola-panic-or-pandemic-an-open-source-investigation/ along with an interesting video of the serum creator joking about the potential for culling the world population.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD7l9xENRQ

I know from previous experience here that some of you sheep are rabidly resistant to any suggestion that people should have the freedom to decide that the risks of taking vaccines outweighed the risks of not taking them. As I recall it was suggested that those who were concerned about side effects from practices such the use of mercury and monkey glands (that helped spread AIDS) in vaccines were selfishly putting others at risk.:lol: To those of you who fall into that category, You need to start educating yourselves rather than blindly accepting the status quo.

Remember the big fuss about the swine flu that triggered those discussions a few years back?? Well it turns out that it was just a pack of fear mongering lies promoted by the WHO to suck you sheep into filling your bodies with more toxins and enriching big Pharma. Don't believe me Read it and weep (educate yourselves).

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/jun/04/swine-flu-experts-big-pharmaceutical

Scientists who drew up the key World Health Organisation (http://www.theguardian.com/world/world-health-organisation) guidelines advising governments to stockpile drugs (http://www.theguardian.com/science/drugs) in the event of a flu pandemic had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit, according to a report out today.
An investigation by the British Medical Journal and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the not-for-profit reporting unit, shows that WHO guidance issued in 2004 was authored by three scientists who had previously received payment for other work from Roche, which makes Tamiflu, and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), manufacturer of Relenza.
City analysts say that pharmaceutical companies banked more than $7bn (�4.8bn) as governments stockpiled drugs. The issue of transparency has risen to the forefront of public health debate after dramatic predictions last year about a swine flu (http://www.theguardian.com/world/swine-flu) pandemic did not come true.
Some countries, notably Poland, declined to join the panic-buying of vaccines and antivirals triggered when the WHO declared the swine flu outbreak a pandemic a year ago this week. The UK, which warned that 65,000 could die as a result of the virus, spent an estimated �1bn stockpiling drugs and vaccines; officials are now attempting to unpick expensive drug contracts.
The cabinet office has launched an inquiry into the cost to the taxpayer of the panic-buying of drugs.
Today, the Council of Europe, produces a damning report into how a lack of openness around "decision making" has bedevilled planning for pandemics.


and
https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=PR455(2010)&Language=lanEnglish&Ver=original&Site=DC&BackColorInternet=F5CA75&BackColorIntranet=F5CA75&BackColorLogged=A9BACE

Strasbourg, 04.06.2010 � The handling of the H1N1 pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO), EU agencies and national governments led to a �waste of large sums of public money, and unjustified scares and fears about the health risks faced by the European public�, according to a report by the Social, Health and Family Affairs Committee of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) made public today in Paris.
The report, prepared by Paul Flynn (United Kingdom, SOC) and approved today by the committee ahead of a plenary debate at the end of this month, says there was �overwhelming evidence that the seriousness of the pandemic was vastly overrated by WHO�, resulting in a distortion of public health priorities.
Presenting his report, Mr Flynn told the committee: �this was a pandemic that never really was�, and described the vaccination programme as �placebo medicine on a large scale� (see video below).
In its adopted text, the committee identifies what it calls �grave shortcomings� in the transparency of decision-making about the outbreak, generating concerns about the influence of the pharmaceutical industry on decisions taken. Plummeting confidence in such advice could prove �disastrous� in the case of a severe future pandemic, it warns.
In particular, the WHO and European health institutions were not willing to publish the names and declarations of interest of the members of the WHO Emergency Committee and relevant European advisory bodies directly involved in recommendations concerning the pandemic, the parliamentarians point out.

However, attending the meeting was Fiona Godlee, the Editor-in-Chief of the British Medical Journal, who told the parliamentarians that, according to an investigation by her journal, scientists who drew up key WHO guidelines on stockpiling flu vaccines had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit.
The WHO has been �highly defensive�, the committee said, and unwilling to accept that a change in the definition of a pandemic was made, or to revise its prognosis of the Swine Flu outbreak.



Stop being sheep. Yes ebola is an incredibly scary prospect, but don't be led by your nose ring. Use your brains and don't trust mainstream media to tell the real story. They seldom even tell the truth after it is discovered (because they don't want us to know they spread lies in the first place) and that leaves us thinking that they are infallible, when in fact they constantly mislead us with half truths and outright lies. They don't do investigative journalism any more, they just accept lies at face value and pass them off as fact.

[unstuck]

Stop being sheep. Yes ebola is an incredibly scary prospect, but don't be led by your nose ring. Use your brains and don't trust mainstream media to tell the real story. They seldom even tell the truth after it is discovered (because they don't want us to know they spread lies in the first place) and that leaves us thinking that they are infallible, when in fact they constantly mislead us with half truths and outright lies. They don't do investigative journalism any more, they just accept lies at face value and pass them off as fact.

Will you marry me.:love::love::love::2thumbsup

[flyingcrocodile46]

Will you marry me.:love::love::love::2thumbsup

Maybe. What sort of dowry are we talking about?

[unstuck]

Maybe. What sort of dowry are we talking about?

Ahhh, your just another goldigger, forget it.:mad:

[Hitcher]

Stop being sheep. They don't do investigative journalism any more, they just accept lies at face value and pass them off as fact.

You're running a whole bunch of different arguments here.

1. Vaccination vs anti-vaccination: The science is robust. Vaccines work, save lives and make humans healthier for longer.
2. Ebola. It's contagious and it kills large numbers of vulnerable people. As yet there isn't a "cure" for it. Whether it will cause a global pandemic remains to be seen.
3. "Big pharma": Pharmaceutical companies make drugs and profit from that. But I have yet to see any evidence that they are conspiring against humanity.
4. Mass media isn't reliable: Well neither is "the internet" and bogus data (like vaccines and autism) that has been long-since refuted by credible science.

None of these 4 are related, other than in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

[unstuck]

You're running a whole bunch of different arguments here.

1. Vaccination vs anti-vaccination: The science is robust. Vaccines work, save lives and make humans healthier for longer.
2. Ebola. It's contagious and it kills large numbers of vulnerable people. As yet there isn't a "cure" for it. Whether it will cause a global pandemic remains to be seen.
3. "Big pharma": Pharmaceutical companies make drugs and profit from that. But I have yet to see any evidence that they are conspiring against humanity.
4. Mass media isn't reliable: Well neither is "the internet" and bogus data (like vaccines and autism) that has been long-since refuted by credible science.

None of these 4 are related, other than in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

Don't be so bloody serious, it's not good for your health.:bleh:

[R650R]

Yeah I'm not too convinced just yet. Something's obviously different about this outbreak and the biggest mistake we could make is making assumptions based on what we currently know about Ebola when it could have mutated somehow and caught us by surprise.


I think it has mutated as posted earlier, previously it killed its victims very fast limiting exposure to others. When someone is violently ill like original Ebola people no matter how uneducated aren't going near that.
But the new strain where it takes longer to show what it is has led to more cross infection.
The real culprit is prob western aid agencies moving quickely around between villages at start of outbreak before they new.

All the 'isolation protocols" are all about protecting the person wearing the PPE gear too. Those wearing PPE gear are then mobile infection units unless they undergo rigourus decontamination procedures.
Someone pointed out to that they ones transported by air had no device to recapture the exhaled air by the victim...

[Woodman]

Is The Guardian mainstream media?

[mashman]

Is The Guardian mainstream media?

No, I'm not ;)

[jonbuoy]

A pretty concise summary of the outbreak and it's progress can be found here.. http://www.corbettreport.com/ebola-panic-or-pandemic-an-open-source-investigation/ along with an interesting video of the serum creator joking about the potential for culling the world population.

I know from previous experience here that some of you sheep are rabidly resistant to any suggestion that people should have the freedom to decide that the risks of taking vaccines outweighed the risks of not taking them. As I recall it was suggested that those who were concerned about side effects from practices such the use of mercury and monkey glands (that helped spread AIDS) in vaccines were selfishly putting others at risk.:lol: To those of you who fall into that category, You need to start educating yourselves rather than blindly accepting the status quo.

Remember the big fuss about the swine flu that triggered those discussions a few years back?? Well it turns out that it was just a pack of fear mongering lies promoted by the WHO to suck you sheep into filling your bodies with more toxins and enriching big Pharma. Don't believe me Read it and weep (educate yourselves).

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/jun/04/swine-flu-experts-big-pharmaceutical


and
https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=PR455(2010)&Language=lanEnglish&Ver=original&Site=DC&BackColorInternet=F5CA75&BackColorIntranet=F5CA75&BackColorLogged=A9BACE


Stop being sheep. Yes ebola is an incredibly scary prospect, but don't be led by your nose ring. Use your brains and don't trust mainstream media to tell the real story. They seldom even tell the truth after it is discovered (because they don't want us to know they spread lies in the first place) and that leaves us thinking that they are infallible, when in fact they constantly mislead us with half truths and outright lies. They don't do investigative journalism any more, they just accept lies at face value and pass them off as fact.


What a croc of shit. Try asking the people of Liberia if they want a vaccine.

[mashman]

What a croc of shit. Try asking the people of Liberia if they want a vaccine.

Wonder what they'll have to hand over in order to be able to afford such a vaccine.

[mossy1200]

We all know Hollywood is a means of desensitizing the public so when the time comes we can chop our zombie neighbours head off, land bombs on Asteroids, fight off alien invaders, destroy large lizards on so forth.

News media is a back up plan in case something unexpected happens before a movie has been made.

[jonbuoy]

Wonder what they'll have to hand over in order to be able to afford such a vaccine.

The World Bank pledged $200 million to help. That would be $200 million more than Croc of shit has I would imagine.

[mashman]

The World Bank pledged $200 million to help. That would be $200 million more than Croc of shit has I would imagine.

lol... if there were no money I venture we'd already have the vaccine and would have administered it by NOW and the spread may have been avoided... ha ;). Where are the world bank getting the money from :killingme. As for the tin hat, I'm inclined to agree with the darker scenarios given that those are the sort of things I would happily sign off on if I could target a country, make them reliant on my vaccine, and keep my country #1 in the world. I believe that there are people who would enact such scenarios. I'm currently on the fence as to why they are doing so.

[Kickaha]

lol... if there were no money I venture we'd already have the vaccine and would have administered it by NOW and the spread may have been avoided... .
If there was no money a vaccine wouldn't have been developed in the first place

[mashman]

If there was no money a vaccine wouldn't have been developed in the first place

Nope, does not compute. Once upon a time there were no money and people innovated and survived etc... bit silly to think we would just stop innovating because no money existed.

[Kickaha]

Once upon a time
Times change, not always for the better

[mashman]

Times change, not always for the better

Vewy twue.

[pete376403]

There have already been cases of ebola in the USA. Good luck or good management contained it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone

Might be a good read

Edit: More reading http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/world/africa/tracing-ebolas-breakout-to-an-african-2-year-old.html?_r=0

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11306938

My guess is that as usual NZ will let a few of them in for a bit of 'cultural diversity'...

[ellipsis]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11306938

My guess is that as usual NZ will let a few of them in for a bit of 'cultural diversity'...


...and buy them a house...in Chch...

[Winston001]

I think it has mutated as posted earlier, previously it killed its victims very fast limiting exposure to others.

Ebola mutates very slowly at about the same rate as Hepetitis B. Its only been contagious for humans since 1976 after existing for possibly 10 million years.

The reservoir is unknown but is suspected to be in fruit bats which can pass the virus to monkeys, which in turn bite a human while infected.




The real culprit is prob western aid agencies moving quickely around between villages at start of outbreak before they new.

All the 'isolation protocols" are all about protecting the person wearing the PPE gear too.

No. Absolutely wrong. There is no evidence at all from previous outbreaks that aid agency doctors and nurses carry Ebola anywhere else. Instead some of them die trying to help the victims. The ultimate price.

As for decontamination, we are talking about primitive conditions here. The PEP suits and boots are washed with water (and disinfectant if its available) but they are rotated with urgency as relief doctors and nurses come on. The PEP suits get small holes, rips, or a tired medical worker wipes their uncovered brow with infected hands. Working with Ebola patients is dangerous.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1395/55/1395555818278.jpg

[pete376403]

traditional cultural funeral processes don't help either - lots of people touching and rubbing the corpse. Bodies should be burned rather than buried but intact bodies are needed to get to the afterlife. Bodies possibly get dug up and eaten by animals, putting the virus back in the food chain.

[Brian d marge]

Ebola mutates very slowly at about the same rate as Hepetitis B. Its only been contagious for humans since 1976 after existing for possibly 10 million years.

The reservoir is unknown but is suspected to be in fruit bats which can pass the virus to monkeys, which in turn bite a human while infected.




No. Absolutely wrong. There is no evidence at all from previous outbreaks that aid agency doctors and nurses carry Ebola anywhere else. Instead some of them die trying to help the victims. The ultimate price.

As for decontamination, we are talking about primitive conditions here. The PEP suits and boots are washed with water (and disinfectant if its available) but they are rotated with urgency as relief doctors and nurses come on. The PEP suits get small holes, rips, or a tired medical worker wipes their uncovered brow with infected hands. Working with Ebola patients is dangerous.

Looks like a typical nhs ward cant see anything wrong there:eek:

[oldrider]

Some interesting comments on spreading Ebola progress.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued its highest-level alert for an “all hands on deck” response to the crisis in West Africa. Ebola seems to be spreading across the world thanks to the world of modern aviation and medical officials that chose not to isolate parts of Africa from the rest of the world. While President Obama proclaimed we are prepared and that the disease is "not easily transmitted," it appears this is not true at all. Time will tell us quickly.

Ebola could fizzle out leaving the world waiting for some other disaster to take us down. However thinking that living in a developed nation will curb the spread of this disease is unreasonable. If anything, it might make things worse because our workplaces, homes, methods of entertainment and all of those things that we love so much about living in the west, are the things that viruses depend on to spread.

CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden, said, “This Ebola outbreak is unprecedented. The single most important thing to understand about protecting Americans from Ebola is that it has to be stopped at the source in Africa.” Why he is not shouting out to quarantine the countries in the center of the epidemic is mystifying to say the least.

The Geneva-based U.N. health agency said, "A coordinated international response is deemed essential to stop and reverse the international spread of Ebola," the WHO said in a statement after a two-day meeting of its emergency committee on Ebola. "The outbreak is moving faster than we can control it," the WHO's director-general Margaret Chan told reporters. "The declaration ... will galvanize the attention of leaders of all countries at the top level. It cannot be done by the ministries of health alone." Anyone smell martial law coming down the road?

Modern healthcare system will be completely overloaded in a worst-case scenario. It is a bad time to have to depend on western medicine with all its lies. Because western medicine is not open to use its intelligence, Ebola will probably spread faster than any efforts to contain it. Vaccines and experimental drugs are months if not years away. The next few weeks will give us a mountain of information about what to expect next, even if we live far from the maddening crowd. These following essays will give parents at least a chance that western doctors and health officials would deny them.

Ebola – Saving Lives with Natural Allopathic Medicine

Ebola and Dehydration; How Re-mineralization and Rehydration Can Save Lives

Ebola – Catastrophic Pandemic

Nigeria’s health minister has declared a health emergency as the deadly Ebola virus gained a foothold in Africa’s most populous nation, according to news reports. “This is a national emergency. Everyone in the world today is at risk. The experience of Nigeria opens the eyes of the world,” Minister of Health Onyebuchi Chukwu told the country’s House of Representatives.

In treating Ebola, doctors have only containment, not yet a cure though they are already promising us effective vaccines and miracle drugs that might arrive too late to make any difference. Virologist Thomas Geisbert has spent decades studying Ebola and other hemorrhagic fevers. He says, “This outbreak has had a higher proportion of healthcare workers that have been infected than what we're used to dealing with. I really don't think we know the answer of why yet, quite honestly. I think there's just a lot of political issues at play. A lot of the treatments that we work on - in fact all of them - none of them are approved for use on humans at this time.”

Most international airlines flying to West Africa in the grip of the deadly Ebola outbreak are counting on stepped-up passenger screening as they continue serving the region. This attachment to free travel potentially sets up a worst-case scenario and we are already receiving reports from around the world of the virus spreading.

Ghana may be recording its first case of Ebola if tests on the blood samples of a Burkinabe man suspected to have died of Ebola proves positive. The man who was rushed to the Bawku Presby Hospital in the Upper East Region from Burkina Faso, died on arrival.

A Congolese nun who worked with Spanish Catholic missionaries in Liberia has died of Ebola, the charity she worked for said today in Madrid. Chantal Pascaline died early today “due to Ebola at the Hospital of Saint Joseph of Monrovia” in the Liberian capital.

Benin has reported two cases of the deadly Ebola virus in the west African country. Health Ministry official Aboubacar Moufiliatou said that a man suspected to have contracted the virus had died.

In the days since the two American workers have returned to America, Samaritan’s Purse has heard widespread concern about their reintegration. “People are afraid to get around them—husbands, wives, no one knows if it’s safe,” he said. “We are doing everything we can to give them a safe place to be, but imagine how difficult it is for American citizens—and all citizens—to suffer from this,” he said. Some from the communities where the two Americans came from reportedly have expressed concern about them infecting other residents. “This is a nasty, bloody disease; I could give you descriptions of people dying that you cannot even believe.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaGnuZT08vQ

Dr. Ken Isaacs of the Samaritan’s Purse, says that the epidemic is inciting panic worldwide that, in his opinion, may soon be warranted. “We have to fight it now here or we’re going to have to fight it somewhere else.” In the days since the two American workers have returned to America, Samaritan’s Purse has heard widespread concern about their reintegration. “People are afraid to get around them—husbands, wives, no one knows if it’s safe,” he said. “We are doing everything we can to give them a safe place to be, but imagine how difficult it is for American citizens—and all citizens—to suffer from this,” he said. Some from the communities where the two Americans came from reportedly have expressed concern about them infecting other residents. “This is a nasty, bloody disease; I could give you descriptions of people dying that you cannot even believe.”

According to an anonymous person who supposedly works in a hospital laboratory:

“I work in a hospital laboratory at a major hospital in a major Metro Area. My wife works clinical micro for the same company. I'm very well versed in just about everything a STAT lab in a hospital can, and does do. My wife on the other hand, actually majored in micro, with emphasis on virology. So I wanted you all to know a few things about this outbreak that became apparent to us as it began to spread.”

#1. Something has changed. This virus used to have a much shorter incubation period. And it would kill within a week. The mortality rate was much higher once upon a time. However, this is not the case anymore. Based on the sheer number of infected, the virus it seems, may have found a way to transmit itself easier. Typically when a virus "evolves" it gains in one area, while giving ground in another. It makes sense to me that Ebola gave up alot of it's lethality, for the ability to spread itself easier, and incubate much, much longer.

#2. Africa is a mess. There is no way to tell how many are infected. Once upon a time Ebola would strike a village and wipe everyone out, and that was it. It would kill so fast that it could not spread out of the hotzone. Because of what I said above that is not the case anymore. On a continent where borders still mean very little to the native population, it is a scary mix. Even if the CDC or the WHO wanted to get accurate numbers, it would be hopeless due to the unknown number or people that distrust western medicine, refuse to get help, or wander around from village to village. The infrastructure simply does not have the same capabilities we do in the west.

#3. Even in the United States, out of all the various hospitals I have worked at, there is no hope of containing anything like this. One of the largest hospitals I worked at only had two reverse flow isolation rooms. Two, let that sink in for a minute. If this thing goes as bad as some think it will, we are, quite literally, screwed. Patients only show up to the hospital when they go symptomatic. So by the time they get there, they've already infected their entire family, their work group, and anyone they got within a few feet of on the way to the hospital. When they get there the ER nurses would treat it either like Flu, or Sepsis. But the whole time the patient is infecting all of them. And all of them, in turn, begin to infect everyone else in the exact same way. If this is as virulent as the WHO thinks it might be, by the time people realize what is going on, there will be more sick people than there would be beds available at every hospital in the US combined.

Because nothing a hospital can test immediately will be able to tell anyone that you are carrying the most deadly hemorrhagic fever currently known. Honestly, if a person came into a busy ER with a fever, the triage nurse would put them in the waiting room until a non-urgent room opened up in the back. They simply have no way to know who is carrying what.

[Naki Rat]

There have already been cases of ebola in the USA. Good luck or good management contained it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone

Might be a good read

....Got The Hot Zone (http://learn.flvs.net/educator/common/EnglishIIv10/TheHotZone.pdf) just after it was released and yes an excellent read! The first chapter is enough to scare the shit out of you and it's a 'can't put it down' book from there on through.

His book on Smallpox 'The Demon In The Freezer (http://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/P/Preston,%20Richard/Richard%20Preston%20-%20The%20Demon%20In%20The%20Freezer.pdf)' is also very enlightening.

(Both those titles are links to PDF versions of the books.)

[R650R]

http://theunhivedmind.com/UHM/ebola-biosecurity-level-4-safety-procedures-now-breached-in-spain-2/

[awa355]

http://theunhivedmind.com/UHM/ebola-biosecurity-level-4-safety-procedures-now-breached-in-spain-2/

Somewhat sloppy for sure. Many westerners probably think it is only going to happen to ' those sorts of people '

[Winston001]

Got The Hot Zone (http://learn.flvs.net/educator/common/EnglishIIv10/TheHotZone.pdf) just after it was released and yes an excellent read! The first chapter is enough to scare the shit out of you and it's a 'can't put it down' book from there on through.

His book on Smallpox 'The Demon In The Freezer (http://worldtracker.org/media/library/English Literature/P/Preston, Richard/Richard Preston - The Demon In The Freezer.pdf)' is also very enlightening.

(Both those titles are links to PDF versions of the books.)

Richard Preston is an excellent writer.

He has also written a gripping novel, The Cobra Event which is about a weaponised type of virus. Absolutely chilling and one of my favourite books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cobra_Event

[yokel]

I always down for a good conspiracy theory

connect to dots man!

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[oldrider]

Somewhat sloppy for sure. Many westerners probably think it is only going to happen to ' those sorts of people '

My intuition keeps nudging me into feeling that this is contrived controlled and headed for an area near you and me! :sick: I try to avoid thinking about it! :no:

[pete376403]

Somewhere a military "mind" is having wet dreams about weaponising Ebola. If they change Ebola so it lasts a few weeks then naturally dies out it would be an ideal way of wiping out troublesome regimes ie countries that have all the resources but don't want to give them up.

[mashman]

Somewhere a military "mind" is having wet dreams about weaponising Ebola. If they change Ebola so it lasts a few weeks then naturally dies out it would be an ideal way of wiping out troublesome regimes ie countries that have all the resources but don't want to give them up.

Oh, Sorry. There was no other way aaaaaaaaand we've discussed it at length. Some of you are simply going to have to die. The economy requires it. We stuck a pin in the globe and thank god it didn't land on any western country. Dodged a real bullet there. But your country has been chosen I'm afraid. Thanks though.

[Brian d marge]

Oh, Sorry. There was no other way aaaaaaaaand we've discussed it at length. Some of you are simply going to have to die. The economy requires it. We stuck a pin in the globe and thank god it didn't land on any western country. Dodged a real bullet there. But your country has been chosen I'm afraid. Thanks though.

not without my TV I wont

[mashman]

not without my TV I wont

You'll do as you are told.

[unstuck]

I heard that infectious shit makes you go all violent and funky. Im down with the clown.:headbang::headbang:

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[flyingcrocodile46]

You're running a whole bunch of different arguments here.

1. Vaccination vs anti-vaccination: The science is robust. Vaccines work, save lives and make humans healthier for longer.
2. Ebola. It's contagious and it kills large numbers of vulnerable people. As yet there isn't a "cure" for it. Whether it will cause a global pandemic remains to be seen.
3. "Big pharma": Pharmaceutical companies make drugs and profit from that. But I have yet to see any evidence that they are conspiring against humanity.
4. Mass media isn't reliable: Well neither is "the internet" and bogus data (like vaccines and autism) that has been long-since refuted by credible science.

None of these 4 are related, other than in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

Idjit.

1. Proven by lies. Read and weep little sheep http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated?p=1130763546#post1130763546

2. There is a serum which American companies (incl ZMAP) are already getting rich from. Based on injecting ebola antibodies said to have been extracted from infected monkeys then implanted into tobacco plants to grow an extract which is the basis of the serum (which hasn't yet been proven to be responsible for the patients recoveries). The lie here (because they are everywhere with anything American), is that the original antibody was sourced via Canada from Russia and that it was taken from either cows or goats rather than monkeys. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will become a global pandemic (but only once the lying sacks of shit known as the CDC and WHO proclaim that a recognised cure is available... for an immodest $um). BTW if you want actual antibodies rather than tobacco sap (that likely doesn't even work), the only viable supply and production facility is in Russia. What do you think of the chances of that happening is?

3. You can't see shit when you squeeze your eyes tightly shut (as you must have, because the evidence was quoted and linked in my previous post). Sheeesh! There is no helping some sheep.

4. I have to quote this one as it is so absurdly stupid and erroneous "Mass media isn't reliable: Well neither is "the internet" and bogus data (like vaccines and autism) that has been long-since refuted by credible science." BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAQHA HA. Idjit. It was refuted by fucking fraudulent lies told by lying scientists. Just like the lying sack of shit global warming scientists. (bet you bought into that one hook line and sinker as well).

[Woodman]

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

Idjit.

The lie here (because they are everywhere with anything American),


Still KBs most entertaining poster:niceone:

[Brian d marge]

Still KBs most entertaining poster:niceone:

Zombeism now thats a worry

These fkrs are everywhere

Stephen

[pzkpfw]

Still KBs most entertaining poster:niceone:

He's been watching "Utopia" on Sky/SoHo while stoned.

[mashman]

He's been watching "Utopia" on Sky/SoHo while stoned.

Better than the Coro and Shorty that you kids seem to be watching, straight :D

[mashman]

Liberian doctors strike, food prices spike as West Africa struggles to contain Ebola outbreak (http://news.yahoo.com/liberia-doctors-strike-u-n-warns-food-shortages-140846320--sector.html) :facepalm:

[oldrider]

Liberian doctors strike, food prices spike as West Africa struggles to contain Ebola outbreak (http://news.yahoo.com/liberia-doctors-strike-u-n-warns-food-shortages-140846320--sector.html) :facepalm:

It's easier to control and less expensive than war and when they have the antidote for selected recipients ... whatever could possibly go wrong? :scratch:

[awa355]

To be blunt, the powers that be in the west don't give a shit.... Yet! :weep: In a way, there's stuff all the west can do untill these african countries start the ball rolling. re education, sanatation, etc.

[mashman]

To be blunt, the powers that be in the west don't give a shit.... Yet! :weep: In a way, there's stuff all the west can do untill these african countries start the ball rolling. re education, sanatation, etc.

Education and sanitation costs money that african country's don't have. Instead of raping the place for a century or so, the white muthafuckas should have invested in it.

[mashman]

And as if by magic (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-29040793)

""Corruption inhibits private investment, reduces economic growth, increases the cost of doing business and can lead to political instability," the report says".

So, a small number of people cause the majority of issues that humanity faces. Sounds about right.

[Edbear]

Education and sanitation costs money that african country's don't have. Instead of raping the place for a century or so, the white muthafuckas should have invested in it.


And as if by magic (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-29040793)

""Corruption inhibits private investment, reduces economic growth, increases the cost of doing business and can lead to political instability," the report says".

So, a small number of people cause the majority of issues that humanity faces. Sounds about right.


To be blunt, the powers that be in the west don't give a shit.... Yet! :weep: In a way, there's stuff all the west can do untill these african countries start the ball rolling. re education, sanatation, etc.

It's not just the Western nations, the African countries themselves are rife with corruption, civil wars and high level crime. If it was as simple as providing what is needed, the aid agencies would have had it sorted years ago.

Look at Iraq for a prime example of trying to fix the unfixable. The whole world was up in arms, (!), about the depravity and inhumanity that was being inflicted on the people, so the West went in a liberated it from Saddam's regime. Now the country was able to go back to its ethnicly and religiously divided state, and descend back into civil war and the merciless torture and killing and corruption continues on.

[oldrider]

It's not just the Western nations, the African countries themselves are rife with corruption, civil wars and high level crime. If it was as simple as providing what is needed, the aid agencies would have had it sorted years ago.

Look at Iraq for a prime example of trying to fix the unfixable. The whole world was up in arms, (!), about the depravity and inhumanity that was being inflicted on the people, so the West went in a liberated it from Saddam's regime. Now the country was able to go back to its ethnicly and religiously divided state, and descend back into civil war and the merciless torture and killing and corruption continues on.

Perhaps the Key government should commission Hager to do a little number on them and kill two birds with one stone! :msn-wink:

[mashman]

It's not just the Western nations, the African countries themselves are rife with corruption, civil wars and high level crime. If it was as simple as providing what is needed, the aid agencies would have had it sorted years ago.

Look at Iraq for a prime example of trying to fix the unfixable. The whole world was up in arms, (!), about the depravity and inhumanity that was being inflicted on the people, so the West went in a liberated it from Saddam's regime. Now the country was able to go back to its ethnicly and religiously divided state, and descend back into civil war and the merciless torture and killing and corruption continues on.

I'm aware of that. Many years of white rule leaves a lot of mess behind, especially when they didn't really leave as it's too much of a profitable country.

It is not unfixable... but yeah, they've been doing the same thing for centuries around the globe.

[Katman]

Look at Iraq for a prime example of trying to fix the unfixable. The whole world was up in arms, (!), about the depravity and inhumanity that was being inflicted on the people, so the West went in a liberated it from Saddam's regime. Now the country was able to go back to its ethnicly and religiously divided state, and descend back into civil war and the merciless torture and killing and corruption continues on.

Because that's how the West like to keep the Middle East.

Destabilized.

[Winston001]

There is an interesting blog by a NZ nurse in West Africa:

"The local staff are traumatised. This is a hospital that has lost most of its senior staff to Ebola due to poor understanding of isolation techniques.

The personal protective equipment worn at work was "like doing your job wearing your own personal sauna".


Not a single piece of skin is exposed. You wear scrubs underneath yellow overalls, a plastic apron, face mask, hood protection, goggles, two pairs of gloves and gumboots which are wet from soaking in chlorine.


You spend 45 minutes maximum in the isolation unit assessing patients, giving medications, assisting with feeding, hygiene and also declaring the deceased.


The idea is to go into the isolation unit a maximum of four times per shift. It is very hot work and you are drenched with sweat at the end and need a recovery and rehydration period.


Each shift was made up of three expatriates working with six national staff wearing disposable scrubs. Patients were assessed over a fence from a distance of 1.5 metres, providing no chance for cross-contamination."

https://www.redcross.org.nz/blog/from-the-field/nursing-in-ebola-country/

[awa355]

A quote from an article I read this morning.


One such experimental drug is ZMapp, which has been given to seven people so far in this outbreak. The company has said that all of its doses are now exhausted, and it will be months before more can be made.

It is also still not clear if the drug is effective, since human trials have not yet been carried out. Some of the people who received ZMapp died, while some survived.******** William Pooley, a British nurse who contracted Ebola while working in Sierra Leone, was among those who received the drug. He was discharged from a London hospital on Wednesday after making a full recovery.

He said his superior care was largely responsible for his survival.

"I was very lucky in several ways: Firstly in the standard of care that I received, which is a world apart from what people are receiving in West Africa, despite various organizations' best efforts," Pooley told reporters. "The other difference is that my symptoms never progressed to the worst stage of the disease."

The health carers must be very dedicated and brave to deal with this disease.

If the outbreak got so big that the health sector couldn't cope and volunteers were needed to work with the disease would you volunteer? Would you let your family go and work with the ebola patients? Somehow I dont know if I would.

[Grashopper]

The health carers must be very dedicated and brave to deal with this disease.

If the outbreak got so big that the health sector couldn't cope and volunteers were needed to work with the disease would you volunteer? Would you let your family go and work with the ebola patients? Somehow I dont know if I would.

Would I let my family go? Guess so, it would be their decision at the end. Would I do it? I have to honestly admit that I probably wouldn't. It would be seriously gross and risky and my idea of risk taking is moving a 250 slowly around corners. :crazy:

At least until we get to the ' walking dead' state (just without the walking dead..). Everybody will have to chip in then.

[oldrider]

Ebola! ... Interesting! (or not, you choose) : http://drsircus.com/medicine/treating-ebola-and-other-infectious-diseases-with-natural-allopathic-medicine#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9e9b2eb73d-Article_182&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-9e9b2eb73d-9531509&mc_cid=9e9b2eb73d&mc_eid=783acdf144 . Lots of information popping up here and there!

[mashman]

Ebola! ... Interesting! (or not, you choose) : http://drsircus.com/medicine/treating-ebola-and-other-infectious-diseases-with-natural-allopathic-medicine#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9e9b2eb73d-Article_182&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-9e9b2eb73d-9531509&mc_cid=9e9b2eb73d&mc_eid=783acdf144 . Lots of information popping up here and there!

Shit. That's a bit of a worry.

[rebel]

Education and sanitation costs money that african country's don't have. Instead of raping the place for a century or so, the white muthafuckas should have invested in it.

Well, it wasn't long until someone blamed evil whitey. How will these poor Africans go when the ruthless Chinese get into Africa full swing.
How many trillions of dollars of aid has been pumped into that basket case continent the last few decades, only to see their population soar over five times in 50 years. Because with blacks the world over, personal responsibility goes out the window. If in doubt, pull the race card or open up the book of excuses.

Any failings of an African in Africa? Blame colonialism.
14 year old boy rapes a grandmother in SA? Blame apartheid.
USA police shoot dead a violent black teenager in self defense? That's institutional racism.
Not enough blacks in US universities? Blame slavery.
Pack of blacks gang rape a Swedish girl in Sweden? Blame white privilege for keeping them down.
Black taxi driver rapes female passenger in NZ? He is culturally displaced (What! Diversity is our strength!!).
Black cuts off a grandmothers head in the UK with a machete? The cultural enrichment is inspirational, lets bring more in.


It is only the pathetic liberal, beta male west, who will defend and promote such a pathetic race of take all but give nothing. You will find no such mercy with the Japs, Chinese, Arabs, Jews, Indians and Russians, who by all accounts despise Africans, see them for what they are, and have no hesitation in pushing them out of their boarders. There will come a time where the west will have to let nature take its course with Africa, and slot natural selection into top gear.

[oldrider]

When they say Black is the new White ... forgive them father ... for they know not what they say! :sick: . :corn: . (There will be no one to blame!) :shifty:

[mashman]

Well, it wasn't long until someone blamed evil whitey. How will these poor Africans go when the ruthless Chinese get into Africa full swing.
How many trillions of dollars of aid has been pumped into that basket case continent the last few decades, only to see their population soar over five times in 50 years. Because with blacks the world over, personal responsibility goes out the window. If in doubt, pull the race card or open up the book of excuses.

Any failings of an African in Africa? Blame colonialism.
14 year old boy rapes a grandmother in SA? Blame apartheid.
USA police shoot dead a violent black teenager in self defense? That's institutional racism.
Not enough blacks in US universities? Blame slavery.
Pack of blacks gang rape a Swedish girl in Sweden? Blame white privilege for keeping them down.
Black taxi driver rapes female passenger in NZ? He is culturally displaced (What! Diversity is our strength!!).
Black cuts off a grandmothers head in the UK with a machete? The cultural enrichment is inspirational, lets bring more in.


It is only the pathetic liberal, beta male west, who will defend and promote such a pathetic race of take all but give nothing. You will find no such mercy with the Japs, Chinese, Arabs, Jews, Indians and Russians, who by all accounts despise Africans, see them for what they are, and have no hesitation in pushing them out of their boarders. There will come a time where the west will have to let nature take its course with Africa, and slot natural selection into top gear.

Oh dear lord. Artichoke, artichoke

[Milts]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/qCuxqA0qFZY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

These guys do pretty good healthcare coverage and look at 'news' items as well.

Note this video is not about the relationship between Ebola and salt, but has a section about Ebola and another news item on salt RDI research.

[Reckless]

And in whoever flew back with him or breathed his shit in the last two days???

Paramedics wearing protective clothing rushed the man to Gold Coast University Hospital this morning, according a spokesperson.
In a statement Gold Coast Health chief executive Damian Green said the necessary precautions are being taken and the patient has been isolated.
The Southport man had just returned from the Congo and emergency crews said he had been seriously ill for two days.
"Universal infection control procedures are in place and there is limited risk to patients and staff," Mr Green said.
An Ebola outbreak in Africa has so far claimed more than 2000 lives.
3 News


http://www.3news.co.nz/world/ebola-fears-on-gold-coast-2014091110


You wont give too shits about racial crap if this bug comes knockin at your door that's for sure!!

[mashman]

And in whoever flew back with him or breathed his shit in the last two days???

Paramedics wearing protective clothing rushed the man to Gold Coast University Hospital this morning, according a spokesperson.
In a statement Gold Coast Health chief executive Damian Green said the necessary precautions are being taken and the patient has been isolated.
The Southport man had just returned from the Congo and emergency crews said he had been seriously ill for two days.
"Universal infection control procedures are in place and there is limited risk to patients and staff," Mr Green said.
An Ebola outbreak in Africa has so far claimed more than 2000 lives.
3 News


http://www.3news.co.nz/world/ebola-fears-on-gold-coast-2014091110


You wont give too shits about racial crap if this bug comes knockin at your door that's for sure!!

I think we should host him at the beehive for a while.

[Milts]

....And it turns out the guy in Aus didn't have Ebola.

More information from, you know, doctors, about exactly why people are panicking, and why they shouldn't (basically, the news media has hugely misrepresented threat levels):
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[yokel]

....And it turns out the guy in Aus didn't have Ebola.

More information from, you know, doctors, about exactly why people are panicking, and why they shouldn't (basically, the news media has hugely misrepresented threat levels):


You know what they say, if you must panic make sure you're the first one!

[pete376403]

"This Way Up" (Chris Morton, Radio New Zealand this afternoon) interviewed Dr Chris Smith about the ebola outbreak. Smith mentioned a theory that outbreaks tend to coincide with drought. If that is the case, then its possible that there will be more outbreaks as part of the climate change/global warming that may or may bot be occurring
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/thiswayup

[R650R]

Another forum raised some interesting points about this strain of 'Ebola'...
No external sores or external bleeding like previous incidences.
The epic centre is a zone where everyday people have good access to cellphones yet there is no footage of victims outside the mainstream media reports...
If there was a real ebola outbreak with local population having good access to communications people would be fleeing the area in droves, can you imagine the Auckland motorway if we had reports here of even a small outbreak???
Just like SARS, Swine Flu, this seems like a pro vaccine scam to trick people into buying meds they don't need....

And that doctor that got 'saved' by the vaccine. If he really had Ebola and survived he would have massive internal organ damage and not be walking about smiling...

[Milts]

Another forum raised some interesting points about this strain of 'Ebola'...
No external sores or external bleeding like previous incidences.
The epic centre is a zone where everyday people have good access to cellphones yet there is no footage of victims outside the mainstream media reports...
If there was a real ebola outbreak with local population having good access to communications people would be fleeing the area in droves, can you imagine the Auckland motorway if we had reports here of even a small outbreak???
Just like SARS, Swine Flu, this seems like a pro vaccine scam to trick people into buying meds they don't need....

And that doctor that got 'saved' by the vaccine. If he really had Ebola and survived he would have massive internal organ damage and not be walking about smiling...

1) There is no vaccine for Ebola. So no-one to sell it to, and no doctor was given it - you are possibly getting confused with ZMAPP, which was in development, and given to two people who subsequently survived. It is unclear if they survived as a result of ZMAPP or other factors.

2) The virus is hitting those with the worst sanitation and the least education, as you would expect given the conditions under which it spreads. So very few of the infected have access to technology, and those who aren't infected tend to stay the fuck away. These are also those too poor to flee. Furthermore, those with confirmed symptoms are isolated to avoid further spreading of the disease, which leaves fewer photo opportunities. That said, if you look outside the main few news sources there are still a number of photos of people dead on the street due to Ebola - but too disturbing for many people to post... (another reason people aren't fleeing in 'droves' - this outbreak has killed only a tiny fraction of those killed by HIV/malaria/TB/many other diseases in Africa. It makes for good news but in terms of total death count is actually pretty low compared to much of what are considered 'normal'/day-to-day diseases).

3) The people infected are, by and large, people without money to spend on vaccines - so this would be a piss poor way to sell vaccines (especially given there isn't one for Ebola...)

4) Many of the people dying are doctors. A number of these are well-off, western doctors. People don't tend to volunteer for death for a 'fake' outbreak or to sell a vaccine.

5) This virus has a mortality rate of about 60%. Of those who survive, often the symptoms didn't progress to massive internal hemorrhaging. So it is entirely possible for someone to become infected, get seriously ill, recover, and be walking around smiling. That said among the worst infected there are certainly reports of bleeding from various orifices (don't know if external sores have ever been a symptom of Ebola?

6) Swine Flu/SARS were very real threats, not conjured up to make someone rich. That doesn't mean people didn't use them as an excuse to get rich - Tamiflu in particular has copped a lot of flack from doctors who say there is little evidence of it working. But, many governments bought it because it was all that was on offer.

Also, *epicenter not epic center. Also, is there even an epicenter for this outbreak? I was under the impression it was fairly dispersed, and in fact some of the original outbreak sites are now nearly disease free.

[mashman]

Did we catch a break? Who knows if there'll ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. One thing we do know though, is that we ain't ready for it.

[bluninja]

Did we catch a break? Who knows if there'll ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. One thing we do know though, is that we ain't ready for it.

Educate yourself...it's already been around for a long time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

[R650R]

Did we catch a break? Who knows if there'll ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. One thing we do know though, is that we ain't ready for it.

One thing we do know is that international trade and air travel is more important than sealing borders against an outbreak of anything...
Just like Swine flyu and SARS there will be a mkII version and a crap drug to sell to gullible governments. Tamiflu was one of greatest frauds ever, an overhyped decongestant that just mitigated symptoms slightly...


http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-does-the-cdc-own-a-patent-on-ebola-invention/5395727

[mashman]

Educate yourself...it's already been around for a long time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

You mean this sort of thing has happened before <_<...


One thing we do know is that international trade and air travel is more important than sealing borders against an outbreak of anything...
Just like Swine flyu and SARS there will be a mkII version and a crap drug to sell to gullible governments. Tamiflu was one of greatest frauds ever, an overhyped decongestant that just mitigated symptoms slightly...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-does-the-cdc-own-a-patent-on-ebola-invention/5395727

True... gotz t keep the money rollin.

[bluninja]

Did we catch a break? Who knows if there'll ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. One thing we do know though, is that we ain't ready for it.


You mean this sort of thing has happened before <_<...





Sorry you seemed to be postulating if there will ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. Given that Flu made it round the world when there weren't regular intercontinental flights to infect an estimated one third of the worlds population and killing an estimated 50-100 million people worldwide, I'd say it was already here waiting for the next lethal mutation. Ebola has nothing on influenza :crazy:

[mashman]

Sorry you seemed to be postulating if there will ever be anything virile enough to spread across the globe. Given that Flu made it round the world when there weren't regular intercontinental flights to infect an estimated one third of the worlds population and killing an estimated 50-100 million people worldwide, I'd say it was already here waiting for the next lethal mutation. Ebola has nothing on influenza :crazy:

Today is what I meant (more people, global travel etc...). Like you say, if, when, the real flu comes back there's gonna be one hell of a mess. From what I can see we ain't ready for it in the slightest... and the bit that really pisses me off is that there will be country's that won't be able to afford any cure/vaccine and will be left to die with the people and the country being blamed no less.

[pete376403]

The 1918 flu could well have been distributed by soldiers returning to home countries from WWI. (by sea, of course.)

[Naki Rat]

How about a reality check from Laurie Garrett (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/14/you_are_not_nearly_scared_enough_ebola_vaccine_wes t_africa_outbreak), author of the best selling 'The Coming Plague (http://www.bookdepository.com/Coming-Plague-Laurie-Garrett/9780140250916?selectCurrency=NZD)'

[bluninja]

I saw a bit of an internet video where they said there does not have to be contact for it to spread and that someone with it got on a plane which would mean everyone on that plane would get it possibly. So people getting on planes run a risk of getting Ebola as well as it crashing if the video is true. Also it was in the news last week that 10 out of 15 Boeing employees would not fly on the Dreamliner due to quality control issues.

An expert on Ebola transmission, safe riding, aeronautical build quality, and the ability to link Ebola spread to Boeing Dreamliner's quality control in the same paragraph.

So if the Dreamliner crashes with an Ebola infected person on board and it lands in the sea, would that transmit the virus everywhere?

[oldrider]

I saw a bit of an internet video where they said there does not have to be contact for it to spread and that someone with it got on a plane which would mean everyone on that plane would get it possibly. So people getting on planes run a risk of getting Ebola as well as it crashing if the video is true. Also it was in the news last week that 10 out of 15 Boeing employees would not fly on the Dreamliner due to quality control issues.

Not to mention "friendly fire" from the forces of evil above below and all around ... :eek:

[awa355]

What the f***k is the point of this??

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/09/uk-university-starts-ebola-vaccine-tests-201491801631278150.html

Wouldn't it make sense to take the vaccine to Darkest Africa and find a health worker, working with the disease to trial any vaccine?

[Winston001]

Tend to agree but getting approval for human testing of any medicine is very difficult. There are all sorts of safety protocols and restrictions.

Experimenting on dark skinned naive Africans tends to be frowned on. Even if it makes sense in this particular instance.

Thalidomide is the lesson always lurking in the back of scientists minds. (Actually it is still used but not by pregnant women).

[oldrider]

Interesting enough if anyone was game enough to go over there and try to treat the victims with anything other than "approved big phama drugs", the so called authorities would have them run out of town or jailed rather than give it a try!

One would think it should be an opportunity to try alternative treatment when there is little or no other hope of a successful treatment! :rolleyes:

[george formby]

I've missed the middle bit of this thread but has anyone mentioned HIV? Out of Africa.

Then we has the Asian contributions, like bird flu, slowly jumping to new species every few years.

Happy days.

Jeez, the long term consequences of CJD are still not apparent.

And yeah, influenza. The virus can live in mucus on a public telephone mouth piece for hours in temperatures just above freezing. Very infectious.

Ebola is nasty but quite difficult to catch in the Western world.
And vaccine smacchine. The British aid Doctor who is alive & well put his cure down to good hospital care not the new wonder drug.

[ricardohardo]

I've missed the middle bit of this thread but has anyone mentioned HIV? Out of Africa.

Then we has the Asian contributions, like bird flu, slowly jumping to new species every few years.

Happy days.

Jeez, the long term consequences of CJD are still not apparent.

And yeah, influenza. The virus can live in mucus on a public telephone mouth piece for hours in temperatures just above freezing. Very infectious.

Ebola is nasty but quite difficult to catch in the Western world.
And vaccine smacchine. The British aid Doctor who is alive & well put his cure down to good hospital care not the new wonder drug.

Would it also be difficult to catch in NZ due to our lack of bats & kiwi biker moderators inability to get any ?

(Lollipop to the Mod who corrects my grammar first)

'The WHO also warns against consuming raw bushmeat and any contact with infected bats or monkeys and apes. Fruit bats in particular are considered a delicacy in the area of Guinea where the outbreak started.

In March, Liberia's health minister advised people to stop having sex, in addition to existing advice not to shake hands or kiss. The WHO says men can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to seven weeks after recovering from Ebola - BBC '

NB: NZ already has a significant population of monkeys.



.

[Paul in NZ]

The 1918 flu could well have been distributed by soldiers returning to home countries from WWI. (by sea, of course.)

It was

It was called the spanish flu because spain wasnt a main theatre of WW1 so the serious flu there could be reported.

In two months New Zealand lost about half as many people to influenza as it had in the whole of the First World War. No event has killed so many New Zealanders in such a short time.

Many people believed that the severe form of influenza was caused by the arrival of ‘a deadly new virus’ aboard the Royal Mail liner Niagara on 12 October, (The PM at the time Massey and Ward were onboard and refused to be quaranteened) but this is unlikely to have been the case.

However the pandemic arose, by the time it eased in December the death toll had topped 8600. Maori suffered heavily, with at least 2160 deaths. But death did not occur evenly either among Maori or New Zealanders as a whole: some communities were decimated; others escaped largely unscathed. The only places struck with uniform severity were military camps.

Central committees were established to coordinate relief efforts, and areas were divided into blocks or districts, each with its own ‘depot or bureau’. Many public facilities and businesses closed, and public events and gatherings were postponed. With the medical workforce already stretched due to the war, volunteers had to fill the gaps, whether in their own household or in their local community.

In the aftermath, the public sought answers from the government. What they got was a major reorganisation in the form of the 1920 Health Act, which Geoffrey Rice, author of Black November: The 1918 influenza pandemic in New Zealand, describes as ‘the most useful legacy' of the pandemic.

HOWEVER - you have to remember that between 300 and 500 MILLION people caught this globally and 30 to 50 million of them DIED...

3% to 5% of the world population...

After our recent brush with the flu where Vicki came as close as anyone needs to come to dying and the wife of a work mate wasnt so lucky, trust me when I say that things like influenza can kill you faster than you would think.

NEVER underestimate this stuff...

[R650R]

Hhhhhmmmm listening to news about the guy who flew Liberia to Texas.
They refusing to release details of his flight, saying zero risk to other passengers....

[yokel]

well looks like that terrorist group EBOLA has a cell in the US.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055

[SPman]

Listening to a Dr just back from Nigeria (from her 3 week quarantine at home...) - reckons there'll be 1.4mil cases by early 2015, and most countries are sitting on their hands about the whole scenario. "Terrorists" are much more worthy.........

[oldrider]

Listening to a Dr just back from Nigeria (from her 3 week quarantine at home...) - reckons there'll be 1.4mil cases by early 2015, and most countries are sitting on their hands about the whole scenario. "Terrorists" are much more worthy.........

There are those around the world who think they are all connected anyway! :rolleyes:

[Reckless]

There's just no need for this!!
QUOTE: Reports surfaced that the man is a Liberian national in the U.S. "visiting relatives."
No Need to "visit relatives" for any reason! Shut the place down NOW till its sorted!!

Quarantine those countries NO travel! Lets nip it in the bud before its gets out 90% kill rate that article said :Oi:

Secondly (and much less important) while its where it is it has less impact on the whole world economy if this gets out it will cause some extreme hardship to those on lessor means if the whole world crashes and jobs go.

If it started in NZ I'd still apply the above. :weep:

[mashman]

First US Ebola patient was in contact with school-aged children - Texas governor (http://rt.com/usa/192284-ebola-us-home-antibiotics/)

[Reckless]

This aint good

“He was evaluated for his illness, which was very nondescript. He had some laboratory tests, which were not very impressive, and he was dismissed with some antibiotics,” Goodman said.

Someones in for a serious telling off

Quote: Yet the man’s sister told AP that the man had relayed to doctors that he came from Liberia. Still, despite the current spread of Ebola in West Africa, doctors only offered antibiotics.

Fuck me :weep:

[yokel]

This aint good

“He was evaluated for his illness, which was very nondescript. He had some laboratory tests, which were not very impressive, and he was dismissed with some antibiotics,” Goodman said.

Someones in for a serious telling off

Quote: Yet the man’s sister told AP that the man had relayed to doctors that he came from Liberia. Still, despite the current spread of Ebola in West Africa, doctors only offered antibiotics.

Fuck me :weep:

No someone will get a pat on the back, let the lockdown of the US people begin

[awa355]

If the spread of ebola is mainly in the developing countries, whats the chances of Telecoms customer call centre picking it up???:niceone::niceone:

[SPman]

Hasn't reached the Philippines yet........:oi-grr:....and is still only transmitted by bodily fluids.......but.........given time...........:ar15:

[oldrider]

Germ warfare in it's infancy? ... not science fiction anymore! ... already in a country near you? ... TPPA--medication laws by Big Phama only! :shifty:

No one trying to control us? .... Not even by money, theatre, media, medicine, police, politics, internal or international? :oi-grr: that just would not be fair ... would it? :confused:

[awa355]

Multiply this resource usage by a plane load of suspected patients and you can begin to see the effect an outbreak could have on a community.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11336236

[george formby]

Hasn't reached the Philippines yet........:oi-grr:....and is still only transmitted by bodily fluids.......but.........given time...........:ar15:

Might be getting scarier.

Airborne infection (http://www.globalresearch.ca/top-doctors-ebola-may-become-airborne-and-may-already-be-transmissible-via-aerosols/5405907)

Some of the slightly, er, eccentric news sites are querying why so many doctors and nurses have become infected despite taking all precautions against infection from fluid transmission.

[awa355]

Proof beyond all doubt. :msn-wink::msn-wink: The white guys are behind the Ebola outbreak.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/02/farrakhan-claims-ebola-invented-to-kill-off-blacks/

[SPman]

If it goes airborne, looks like the planet will get a good cleansing........a bit likea real life version of this game (which is fun.....)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.miniclip.plagueinc&hl=en

[R650R]

The hoax has been fully exposed now... they're going to have to infect the 'clean up' crew now...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/News_chopper_caught_Ebola_clean-up_crew%3B_Um._Notice_anything_missing%3F/38354/0/38/38/Y/M.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By9hssLCcAAHt0v.png

[Woodman]

Too many humans here anyway, maybe its natures way of balancing things out. About time something happened.

[Milts]

Too many humans here anyway, maybe its natures way of balancing things out. About time something happened.

http://io9.com/epidemics-are-not-natural-1640329353

[scrivy]

Is the reason that they're promoting ebola so hard a distraction from the oncoming fall of the dollar?

[Milts]

Is the reason that they're promoting ebola so hard a distraction from the oncoming fall of the dollar?

Yes, because typically when a country with 1/1750 of the world population's currency is moving, something which happens to all currencies all the time, people preemptively start a pandemic so that it peaks just as the currency shifts.

[scumdog]

Ebola?

Right up there with bird-flu.


And whooping Llamas...

[R650R]

Don't normally post anything from the AJ crackpot but this was linked on another site and kinda makes sense in why the containment procedures are so lax.
Its because the Elite know there's no danger of anyone important getting sick as they control the delivery mechanism via contaminated food or water supplies

http://www.infowars.com/cia-insider-warned-of-ebola-false-flag-in-september/

Below from 51 seconds is what should be happening in the states if this 'ebola' was real...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9SUJdpJS4

[Reckless]

Below from 51 seconds is what should be happening in the states if this 'ebola' was real...

NO I reckon it should be happening at the source now!

NO one should be able to "visit relatives" end of story.

[Blackbird]

Germ warfare in it's infancy? ... not science fiction anymore! ... already in a country near you? ... TPPA--medication laws by Big Phama only! :shifty:

No one trying to control us? .... Not even by money, theatre, media, medicine, police, politics, internal or international? :oi-grr: that just would not be fair ... would it? :confused:

Well John, security organisations around the world have been concerned about the effects of a "dirty bomb" detonated by terrorists (principally economic rather than the radiological effects) because they're relatively straightforward to make but I'm sure they're equally concerned about the prospect of "martyrs" using Ebola to spread it in the west. On the face of it, it wouldn't seem a particularly difficult thing to do.

[pete376403]

Tom Clancys book "Executive Orders" was written about that very scenario, published 18nyears ago, right down to the use of ebola.

[AllanB]

This disease is the primary reason I don't have sex with monkeys.

[Blackbird]

Tom Clancys book "Executive Orders" was written about that very scenario, published 18nyears ago, right down to the use of ebola.


Interesting! I haven't read that but vaguely remember another well-known author from around that time doing something similar. I'd imagine that the west is very well aware of the risk but whether they can police it is another matter.

[Naki Rat]

Tom Clancys book "Executive Orders" was written about that very scenario, published 18nyears ago, right down to the use of ebola.
And the BBC docudrama 'Silent Weapon' (later renamed 'Smallpox') released in 2002 was an excellent portrayal of a similar terrorist action using smallpox. A great movie if you can find it.

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[oldrider]

This disease is the primary reason I don't have sex with monkeys.

Was talking to a monkey at the Wellington Zoo the other day, she/he mentioned your name, said she/he felt let down! ... Trusted you as a biker! :ride:

[oldrider]

By Jon Rappoport
September 13, 2014
www.nomorefakenews.com

“Tell them the biggest lie, yes. But they have to want the kind of lie you’re telling. It has to give them equal parts fear and fascination.” (Ellis Medavoy, retired propaganda operative)

“Overwhelmed.” “Can’t contain.” “Rapid spread.” Crossed borders.” “Predicting five million deaths.” “Too late to stop it.”

These and other familiar terms are stock-in-trade for the disease propaganda establishment.

The word “outbreak,” of course, is at the top of the list.

It suggests that the population in question is otherwise healthy—but suddenly people are dropping like flies.

In West Africa, for example, where global attention is focused on Ebola, “otherwise healthy” is a cynical myth.

Contaminated water; a decade of brutal war displacing huge numbers of people; chronic grinding poverty; severe malnutrition and starvation; inherently toxic vaccines and medicines that are devastating to people whose immune systems are already on the brink of failing; industrial pollutants in the streams and soil—that’s the pre-Ebola baseline called “otherwise healthy.”

Then there is the matter of diagnosis of Ebola. As I’ve explained in past articles, two of the most widely used tests—antibody and PCR—are both pathetically unreliable methods for disease analysis.

Therefore, the counting of Ebola cases and deaths, which depends on those tests, lacks any degree of authenticity.

On top of that, examining the track record of the CDC and the World Health Organization, when they intentionally and falsely overstated case numbers and deaths from Swine Flu…well, only a fool would believe their reports on Ebola.

But none of this stops true believers, who suck up press reports and press images like thirsty desert travelers kneeling at an oasis.

Not to burst the bubble, but…consider the World Health Organization report, April 2009, titled, “Influenza (Seasonal).” Discussing ordinary flu, it estimates 5 million cases a year, around the world, and between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths. Every year. Like clockwork.

True numbers or false numbers, the point is this: because there is zero propaganda about ordinary flu, no dire imagery, no breathless press reportage, nobody cares. Nobody says “outbreak.” No one predicts the collapse of society.

Imagine what would happen if you kept those huge global flu numbers and simply substituted “Ebola” for “flu.”

Because of the heavy propaganda re Ebola, the world would go completely mad overnight.

When the Washington Post (9/9) now reports that, ahem, “…only 31% of Ebola cases have been lab-confirmed through blood tests [in Liberia],” not an eyebrow is raised.

Who cares? Who needs diagnostic tests? Who needs science? They’re all dying from Ebola. We know that because…well, they are, we saw the pictures of the Ebola-virus worm-like thing, everybody was healthy and then they dropped dead, it’s escaping across the borders, and it’s from Africa, where terrible things originate (never Brooklyn or Peoria), let’s all buy haz-mat suits.

Ebola health workers in West Africa have, in fact, been wearing haz-mat suits all long. Sealed off from the outside, working shifts inside those boiling suits, where they are losing 5 quarts of body fluid an hour, they come out for rehydration, douse themselves with toxic chemicals to disinfect, and then go back in again.

One doctor told the Daily Mail he could smell intense fumes of chlorine while he was working in his suit. That means the toxic chemical was actually in there with him.

No wonder some health workers are collapsing and dying.

But ignore all that. It doesn’t mesh with the narrative of the virus mowing down everyone in its path.

And to depart from the propaganda narrative again—if someone wanted to step up the killing rate in West Africa, seeding it with a virus wouldn’t be the best choice. Germs are too unpredictable in their effects.

Much more predictable: spread an undetectable poisonous chemical and CALL it a virus.

In that case, the image of the virus serves as the cover story.

Precedent? Enormous precedent for using a germ as a cover story?

HIV.

Assuming that virus was ever really isolated and identified to begin with (an irrational stretch), its supposedly lethal impact has never been established on any scientific grounds. There is no reason to believe it has killed anyone.

In Africa, death by wasting away, starvation, protein-calorie malnutrition, contaminated water, poverty, war, overcrowding, stolen land have formed the basis of life for millions of people.

Local dictators, elite investors, foreign corporations have wanted to keep things that way—without revealing their hand. While they were taking over the abundant natural wealth of nations.

Their murderous ongoing op needed a cover story.

Enter the disease propagandists.

They established the narrative of a killer virus. HIV.

On October 19, 1985, researcher D. Serwadda announced a new disease in Uganda, with his paper on “Slim,” published in Lancet. The myth of Slim, soon called AIDS, absurdly listed two prominent symptoms: weight loss and diarrhea.

These “symptoms,” of course, have been endemic in parts of Africa for centuries. Among the obvious causes? Contaminated water and severe malnutrition—prolonged and exacerbated by local dictators selling out their countries to foreign corporate invaders, while keeping their own populations too weak to resist.

No virus necessary.

But linking Slim to AIDS to HIV yielded the desired cover.

I wrote about all this in 1988, in my first book, AIDS INC. I explained that medical covert ops are the most dangerous on the planet, because they appear to be political neutral. They wave no partisan banners. They hide behind the expression of “humanitarian concerns.”

Sealing off West Africa now, under the banner of “stopping the Ebola epidemic and healing the people,” is another chapter in this sordid tale of centuries.

The true objective of the covert op has always been the same: steal the fertile land and the natural resources. Disable, weaken, and destroy the people.

As in all intelligence ops, the classic hallmarks are there: secret hidden objective; cover story; limited hangout (“during the heroic effort, some mistakes were made, lessons were learned”); subtle scapegoating (blame the victims).

The op deploys many unknowing dupes. They follow the script. They believe in it. A few people at the top know the score.

Consider this. If germs were actually the sole and primary cause of disease, regardless of other factors present, we’d all be long gone by now. There would be no people left on planet Earth.

Untold millions of germs a) circulate and b) live in our bodies. Many of them mutate on a regular basis. No bioengineering necessary.

There is, however, a more basic factor in disease. Some people call it “the terrain” of the body—otherwise known as the immune system.

Immune defense is much more than a few classes of cells. It is, in fact, the whole body and its processes, as well as the mind.

In many areas of the world, as I’ve just described, horrendous conditions deplete the immune system: malnutrition, starvation, sewage pumped into the water supply, overcrowding, poverty, war, hopelessness, industrial pollution on a vast scale, etc.

Then, with the damage done, any old germ that sweeps through the population brings about illness and death—because the body, which would otherwise throw off the germ easily, instead succumbs.

That is the true picture.

Germs, germs, germs as the sole cause of disease is THE cover story for modern medicine.

It sustains, for example, the whole fairy tale about the need for vaccination.

Generally speaking, when a healthy person naturally engages with certain germs, he mounts a full and acute inflammatory response, during which he throws off the germ.

This inflammatory response has visible markers; for example, fever, rashes, spots, swelling.

These are labeled “symptoms of the disease.” Actually, they aren’t symptoms. They’re signs that the body is doing its job.

Vaccines, with their immunosuppressive effects, weaken and damp down the full inflammatory response. Therefore, the visible “symptoms” don’t occur.

And doctors claim this Absence means the person has acquired immunity from the disease targeted by the vaccine.

Not so. Other “symptoms” will occur and will become visible, as the body tries to fight against the toxic elements in the vaccine.

Doctors say, “Look here. Different symptoms. This is a different disease. We eradicated the other disease with the vaccine. Now we have to develop a vaccine and drugs against this one…”

On and on it goes. Polio becomes meningitis. Measles becomes encephalitis.

At every step, the person’s immune system becomes weaker, because he is being subjected to germs and toxic chemicals, in vaccines, injected directly into the body, bypassing many centers of immune defense.

In West Africa, during the last five years, several vaccine campaigns have been launched: yellow fever, polio, meningitis. Given to people whose immune systems are already teetering on the edge of collapse, the effects are devastating.

But of course, no one says, “Vaccine-induced disease and destruction.” Instead, they say, “Heroic efforts are being made to reverse the ongoing health crisis in Liberia.”

Every time a new “epidemic” comes along—HIV, West Nile, SARS, bird flu, Swine Flu, Ebola—the propaganda machines goes to work with, “Germ, germ, germ, germ.”

This cover story fortifies and controls the false public perception of what disease is all about. It’s a poster ad.

“In order to fight the heinous virus, doctors are our only recourse. Without them and their potions, we are powerless.”

This is exactly the goal of the overall covert op.

The customer not only wants the product. He believes he can’t live without it.

This is why the medical cartel and its allies wage a ceaseless, vicious, and lying war against “natural health.” The whole thrust of natural answers is: expand the power of the immune system.

Otherwise known as: putting the medical cartel out of business.

Otherwise known as: dissolving the covert ops designed to control and decimate populations.

Jon Rappoport

[jonbuoy]

How many easily transmitted virus´s have such a high kill rate with no specialist treatment. They should have been cracking down on Ebola at the outbreak.

If healthcare workers are getting it it must be fairly easy to get. Imagine a sweaty Ebola carrier on the London Tube in rush hour, the guy flipping burgers and coughing it out in Gatwick/Heathrow, or the supermarket checkout worker.

They are even going to put down the family dog of the Spanish nurse who contracted it in Madrid - they have no idea if it could have been passed onto the dog - which in turn has probably licked a few other dogs or pissed on the ground at the local park which another dog has sniffed at. Why the hell they are shipping patients around I will never understand. How about a medical ship anchored off the coast of Liberia for the special western casualties instead of flying the bloody disease all over the world.

Maybe those who think Ebola is a beat up should volunteer as health workers - you can show us its not real or contagious.....

[scrivy]

Is the CDC a privately owned company or a US Government institution?

...and does it own patents on Ebola?

[george formby]

If Ebola starts to rapidly pop up all over the place THIS (http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/640761) could be why.
2 million people rubbing against each other, coughing, spluttering, pissing in the streets...

[mashman]

If Ebola starts to rapidly pop up all over the place THIS (http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/640761) could be why.
2 million people rubbing against each other, coughing, spluttering, pissing in the streets...

I'm not gonna read the story as it sounds like any Friday Night on Sauchiehall Street... and they don't have Ebola, so it must be lies.

[george formby]

I'm not gonna read the story as it sounds like any Friday Night on Sauchiehall Street... and they don't have Ebola, so it must be lies.

Wegies are probably immune anyway. Just an artickle on the recent Haj, nuttin propagandist. I'm making big leaps.:eek:

[bluninja]

I'm not gonna read the story as it sounds like any Friday Night on Sauchiehall Street... and they don't have Ebola, so it must be lies.

wow...it's calmed down since I lived there :banana:

[mashman]

Wegies are probably immune anyway. Just an artickle on the recent Haj, nuttin propagandist. I'm making big leaps.:eek:

True, anything 90% proof is likely immune.


wow...it's calmed down since I lived there :banana:

Cause and effect my son :killingme

[awa355]

Interesting development, How much would you want to be paid?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11339730

[bluninja]

Cause and effect my son :killingme

I remember walking past the Gorbals flats on the way home in the dark...then they demolished them....nowt to do with me :bleh:

Rather than a dirty bomb...how about a dirty bum? Flies to a city and hits the red light district whilst infectious and flies out. Nobody would know what had been done till it's been rapidly spread. Or rather than flying out they could step out in front of a bus....who would think to check an RTA fatality for Ebola?

Well I've just checked my psychopathy score (http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php) to make sure I'm ok.

[yokel]

Interesting development, How much would you want to be paid?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11339730

US$700 million ($885m) in aid, what a fucking scam

[Akzle]

meanwhile. Who stands to benefit.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-s-government-patented-ebola/

[Akzle]

and
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ebola-and-the-rapid-vaccine-response-the-u-s-government-patented-ebola-in-2009-now-owns-all-victims-blood/5404685

[mashman]

I remember walking past the Gorbals flats on the way home in the dark...then they demolished them....nowt to do with me :bleh:

Rather than a dirty bomb...how about a dirty bum? Flies to a city and hits the red light district whilst infectious and flies out. Nobody would know what had been done till it's been rapidly spread. Or rather than flying out they could step out in front of a bus....who would think to check an RTA fatality for Ebola?

Well I've just checked my psychopathy score (http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php) to make sure I'm ok.

heh, when we went back they'd flattened benefit street where I used to live. Fuck all wrong with the flats like, but they seem to need the room for the ever encroaching nice houses :facepalm:.

Fuck that. You walk up to the local dam/water storage and tip as much of that shit in as you like. It'll all but annihilate the entire population and anyone leaving the country will take it with them. Fluids are easy to avoid, well, the ones that aren't vital.

You're a psycho too, deal with it ;)

[Winston001]

How many easily transmitted viruses have such a high kill rate with no specialist treatment. They should have been cracking down on Ebola at the outbreak.

Maybe those who think Ebola is a beat up should volunteer as health workers - you can show us its not real or contagious.....

A good question and the answer is that Ebola and Marburg are not easily transmitted despite what we read. These hemorrhagic diseases are very very rare - so rare in fact they weren't even known about until 1976. They live with bats and occasionally infect monkeys but crossing over to humans is very new.

Actually nobody knows where the actual Ebola and Marburg reservoir is - the fruit bats idea comes from a Kenyan cave but the virus might live with some type of bird instead.

You may remember the SARS and H1N1 scare around the year 2000. If that virus crossover ever breaks out then Ebola etc will be a mere footnote in history. As Paul said above, influenza is a virulent killer and far worse than anything we have seen in recent times.

[Winston001]

By Jon Rappoport
September 13, 2014
www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com)

Contaminated water; a decade of brutal war displacing huge numbers of people; chronic grinding poverty; severe malnutrition and starvation; inherently toxic vaccines and medicines that are devastating to people whose immune systems are already on the brink of failing; industrial pollutants in the streams and soil—that’s the pre-Ebola baseline called “otherwise healthy.”

Then there is the matter of diagnosis of Ebola. As I’ve explained in past articles, two of the most widely used tests—antibody and PCR—are both pathetically unreliable methods for disease analysis.


Not to burst the bubble, but…consider the World Health Organization report, April 2009, titled, “Influenza (Seasonal).” Discussing ordinary flu, it estimates 5 million cases a year, around the world, and between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths. Every year. Like clockwork.


Imagine what would happen if you kept those huge global flu numbers and simply substituted “Ebola” for “flu.”



Thats a good article John until about halfway through when he breaks out into a dystopic conspiracy theory.

The science is that viruses are strange creatures indeed - not living but not dead. Crystals which grab DNA and can adapt to new cellular structures. Viruses are very helpful for medical biologists because they can insert foreign DNA into cells. But they remain strange.

[Winston001]

Just for the conspiracy and foil-hat community: Marburg has infected and killed a 30yr old man in Uganda, East Africa, far far away from the Ebola outbreak.

Weird huh?

[jonbuoy]

A good question and the answer is that Ebola and Marburg are not easily transmitted despite what we read. These hemorrhagic diseases are very very rare - so rare in fact they weren't even known about until 1976. They live with bats and occasionally infect monkeys but crossing over to humans is very new.

Actually nobody knows where the actual Ebola and Marburg reservoir is - the fruit bats idea comes from a Kenyan cave but the virus might live with some type of bird instead.

You may remember the SARS and H1N1 scare around the year 2000. If that virus crossover ever breaks out then Ebola etc will be a mere footnote in history. As Paul said above, influenza is a virulent killer and far worse than anything we have seen in recent times.

Seems to be spreading quite nicely for a hard to catch virus. Aids is a hard to catch Virus- I don't put Ebola in the easily avoidable bracket. I blame the Aid workers flying back without properly quarantining themselves. A sweaty handshake is enough hardly easily avoidable.

[oldrider]

Thats a good article John until about halfway through when he breaks out into a dystopic conspiracy theory.

The science is that viruses are strange creatures indeed - not living but not dead. Crystals which grab DNA and can adapt to new cellular structures. Viruses are very helpful for medical biologists because they can insert foreign DNA into cells. But they remain strange.

True Winston! :yes:

There is a lot of conflicting information, the best way to discredit real conspiracy information is by casting doubt through misinformation! :confused:

Doesn't stop us decoding the wheat from the chaff by cross checking and comparing over time ... the truth will reveal it's self in the end! :shifty:

Unfortunately for a lot of people that will probably be too late! :weep:

[scrivy]

meanwhile. Who stands to benefit.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-s-government-patented-ebola/

So.... if the CDC owns the Ebola patents.... then whoever gets infected can sue the CDC??? :whistle:

[Akzle]

So.... if the CDC owns the Ebola patents.... then whoever gets infected can sue the CDC??? :whistle:

no... more like the CDC would sue them for unauthorised possession of patent material :eek::bleh:

[jonbuoy]

Yes, if I was a major western superpower and planning to carry out a clandestine operation to release a biological weapon that broke the Genova convention. I would make sure I had a patent in place so I could sue any other government or terrorist organisation planning to steal my Ebola recipie/idea.

Where do the tin foil hatters get this from? A patent for a cure or vaccine might be useful in this case but a patent on the disease itself? How exactly is that going to make you money.

[yokel]

Yes, if I was a major western superpower and planning to carry out a clandestine operation to release a biological weapon that broke the Genova convention. I would make sure I had a patent in place so I could sue any other government or terrorist organisation planning to steal my Ebola recipie/idea.

Where do the tin foil hatters get this from? A patent for a cure or vaccine might be useful in this case but a patent on the disease itself? How exactly is that going to make you money.

To make a vaccine you need the virus

[Shaun Harris]

They should just BAN any fuker leaving the country where it is based in ASAP or nuke the while god dam place

[jonbuoy]

To make a vaccine you need the virus

They only have the patent on one strain of the virus- there would be an international outcry if the US objected to an Ebola vaccine/cure being released without paying them royalties.

[jonbuoy]

They should just BAN any fuker leaving the country where it is based in ASAP or nuke the while god dam place

Exactly! Special stamp in your passport.

[Akzle]

How exactly is that going to make you money.

see, at least you're asking the right question. i'm sure they have their best and brightest on it.
http://0.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/W/l/J/6/83951141.jpg

( "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." )

[jonbuoy]

The Dutch have patented the coronavirus - are they planning to take over the world!??

[scrivy]

Where do the tin foil hatters get this from? A patent for a cure or vaccine might be useful in this case but a patent on the disease itself? How exactly is that going to make you money.

Nothing to do with tin foil hat wearers......

'Furthermore, the patent request also seeks ownership over any and all Ebola viruses which are “weakened” or “killed,” meaning the United States government is literally claiming ownership over all Ebola vaccines.
What this means, of course, is that the U.S. government could demand royalties on all Ebola vaccines.
Even more Orwellian is the fact that the U.S. government could use this patent to halt all other research for treatments or cures for Ebola.'

How is that not going to make you money??

[jonbuoy]

Nothing to do with tin foil hat wearers......

'Furthermore, the patent request also seeks ownership over any and all Ebola viruses which are “weakened” or “killed,” meaning the United States government is literally claiming ownership over all Ebola vaccines.
What this means, of course, is that the U.S. government could demand royalties on all Ebola vaccines.
Even more Orwellian is the fact that the U.S. government could use this patent to halt all other research for treatments or cures for Ebola.'

How is that not going to make you money??

COULD but as their aren't any vaccines. Dutch and many other governments have done the same.

[yokel]

COULD but as their aren't any vaccines. Dutch and many other governments have done the same.

If you were wearing your tinfoil hat this would be a lot easier for you to comprehend,
Go back to TV land

[SPman]

If this is true it could be worrying..

http://rt.com/news/194640-briton-ebola-macedonia-dead/

[jonbuoy]

If you were wearing your tinfoil hat this would be a lot easier for you to comprehend,
Go back to TV land

So your on the ground in Liberia?

[Shaun Harris]

If this is true it could be worrying..

http://rt.com/news/194640-briton-ebola-macedonia-dead/



It is extremelly worrying man, and is Going to KILL shit loads of people world wide before countries get there balls out and lock international travel. Fuk the money lost from tourists, that is better than massive loss of life that is coming for sure

[Reckless]

It is extremelly worrying man, and is Going to KILL shit loads of people world wide before countries get there balls out and lock international travel. Fuk the money lost from tourists, that is better than massive loss of life that is coming for sure

They don't have to lock down international travel but certainly isolate those source countries??
FFS if a bunch of dumb KB cunts can see it and they can't. its certainly a big worry :crazy:

[Maha]

EBOLA, creeping timebomb? ...:rolleyes: so was Aids once upon a time and Swine flu was going to kill us all less than a decade ago.

[Shaun Harris]

They don't have to lock down international travel but certainly isolate those source countries??
FFS if a bunch of dumb KB cunts can see it and they can't. its certainly a big worry :crazy:


That was what I meant by Int travel, but then some would travel by land to get out in another country, so it kinda is a case of full on Int Travel lock out

[Shaun Harris]

Its a catch 22 because if they close both international sea and air access people will still die anyway due to not being able to get medicines, machinery and oil for the country to still run.



Fine by me. It comes from there country, leave it there and fuk the PC world

[Shaun Harris]

EBOLA, creeping timebomb? ...:rolleyes: so was Aids once upon a time and Swine flu was going to kill us all less than a decade ago.


But statistics of what Ebola is doing already is way more serious than those issues were Maha- No I cannot quote statistics, just the shocking fast death rate already leeds me believe this

[R650R]

Just like bird flu, swine flu, sars the death toll will be SFA in the end.
I'd like to bet money on a 'miracle' vaccine being developed which all the govts around the world will buy and force us to take.
This is spreading way too slow to be a real threat, all that's needed is to close borders for a couple of weeks, no one in any country will die because of that.

Anyway the real death from supply disruptions (IF it ever got that bad) would not be from closing airports. It would be from individual workers not wanting to leave the safety of home and go to work.
If there was a real outbreak do you think low paid truck drivers, forklift drivers, supermarket workers are going to come to work to possibly get infected??? Same would go for nurses, council sanitation etc...
It would take very little time, about a week of supply chain disruption before mass panic and looting would unleash the zombie apocalypse.
Just look at the panic buying of bottled water and other foodstuffs in recent powercuts and ahead of storms etc...

[Akzle]

Its a catch 22 because if they close both international sea and air access people will still die anyway due to not being able to get medicines, machinery and oil for the country to still run.

it was, the first time they tried to raise hysteria about it, so fatal that it couldn't spread. ie 95%< fatal, fast spreading and fast effecting.
ie, anyone who got it would die before they could spread it.

so thanks a lot to the wright brothers. man... i hope it catches all the jews.

[Akzle]

It would take very little time, about a week of supply chain disruption before mass panic and looting would unleash the zombie apocalypse.
Just look at the panic buying of bottled water and other foodstuffs in recent powercuts and ahead of storms etc...

3 days, actually. is what the shops (supermarkets etc) hold. i sure hope y'all like coca cola and maggi noodles.

[R650R]

I think your belief that the Ebola threat would go away if the border is closed for a couple of weeks is flawed unless they bring out a cure that works over a 2 week period. Many people will loose their houses if they don't come to work unless the govt brings in a benefit that enables people to afford to stay home. I think they brought in such a benefit for all those unable to return to work after the ChCh earthquake.

The two weeks is a random figure it could be more or less. Just whatever the time is needed for the crews with flamethrowers and proper testing regimes to setup in the affected hotzones.
You can add Process Servers (the people who serve debt notices) to the lost of people who will not turn up to work either if you like

[jonbuoy]

EBOLA, creeping timebomb? ...:rolleyes: so was Aids once upon a time and Swine flu was going to kill us all less than a decade ago.

Neither of those two had such a high fatality rate or be so easily transmitted.

[jonbuoy]

Just like bird flu, swine flu, sars the death toll will be SFA in the end.
I'd like to bet money on a 'miracle' vaccine being developed which all the govts around the world will buy and force us to take.
This is spreading way too slow to be a real threat, all that's needed is to close borders for a couple of weeks, no one in any country will die because of that.

Anyway the real death from supply disruptions (IF it ever got that bad) would not be from closing airports. It would be from individual workers not wanting to leave the safety of home and go to work.
If there was a real outbreak do you think low paid truck drivers, forklift drivers, supermarket workers are going to come to work to possibly get infected??? Same would go for nurses, council sanitation etc...
It would take very little time, about a week of supply chain disruption before mass panic and looting would unleash the zombie apocalypse.
Just look at the panic buying of bottled water and other foodstuffs in recent powercuts and ahead of storms etc...



They should make any vaccine optional - that way we can flush the vaccine deniers from the gene pool.

[yokel]

They should make any vaccine optional - that way we can flush the vaccine deniers from the gene pool.

Who's "we"? Haha.
That's right you take that vaccine like a good little boy, "they" might even give you a free cookie

[jonbuoy]

Who's "we"? Haha.
That's right you take that vaccine like a good little boy, "they" might even give you a free cookie

Non vaccine deniers.

[Katman]

Don't worry people....cassina's onto it.

[jonbuoy]

Except he isn´t - the reason the CDC holds a patent is so that private drug companies can´t patent the Virus themselves - it keeps the "virus" in the public domain for the greater good. Just as the Dutch are happy to hand out samples of the MERS Virus to any research centre that can safely handle it. If you patent the virus itself and don´t allow others access to it only you can research it. The US haven´t stopped anyone with the right research facilities from research work on that strain of Ebola.

A patent on the Virus doesn´t cover a patent on a vaccine it just makes it very difficult to research it.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23593-saudis-say-dutch-patent-on-mers-virus-hampers-research.html#.VDebqvmEzQc

[george formby]

I'm not gettin me knickers in a twist just yet. This thread started on the 8th August, two months old. Off the top of me head the current reported death toll is 4000 or so. In countries which define the word squalor. Add in illiteracy, superstition and fear of strangers.
Either there is a big cover up, thousands dead unaccounted for, containment is relatively effective or transmission is still difficult.
Meningitis concerns me more.

[mossy1200]

Either there is a big cover up, thousands dead unaccounted for, containment is relatively effective or transmission is still difficult.


The problem is all of these are possible. We hope the last one is most probable.
Becoming airborne is the worst outcome as unlike the blackdeath time period we have multiple ways of sending it global.

[george formby]

The problem is all of these are possible. We hope the last one is most probable.
Becoming airborne is the worst outcome as unlike the blackdeath time period we have multiple ways of sending it global.

Yup, I'm defo keeping an eye on the reports and like you say our transport systems were just made for viruses.

Might not be this time but it's highly probable eventually. The Spanish flu which did kill millions at the turn of last century is still floating about.

[Akzle]

the CDC ... - it keeps the "virus" in the public domain for the greater good.

now THAT is a conspiracy theory!

[Maha]

Neither of those two had such a high fatality rate or be so easily transmitted.

There is a bit of hype and hysteria that comes with all sudden outbreaks of any disease. That whole negative air thing in the NZ hospital room on the news last night? been around for years but it's made to look like a new and wow innovation to combat anyone who ''may'' have to be quarantined should they turn up here with it, which in itself, is very unlikely.


That Y2K bug never hurt anyone either. :msn-wink:

[bluninja]

10 facts on malaria (http://www.who.int/features/factfiles/malaria/en/)

3.4 billion at risk. From 2012 estimates 207 Million infected and 627,000 dead. Global mortality rate since 2000 is 42%. That's despite anti malaria tablets, mosquito nets ...and DDT :devil2:

[oldrider]

10 facts on malaria (http://www.who.int/features/factfiles/malaria/en/)

3.4 billion at risk. From 2012 estimates 207 Million infected and 627,000 dead. Global mortality rate since 2000 is 42%. That's despite anti malaria tablets, mosquito nets ...and DDT :devil2:

AND ... they can kill Malaria in four hours with MMS! ...... BUT the WHO would rather put the people who use MMS in jail than heal the sick! :facepalm: FFS!

[bluninja]

AND ... they can kill Malaria in four hours with MMS! ...... BUT the WHO would rather put the people who use MMS in jail than heal the sick! :facepalm: FFS!

Would love it if you have scientific trials to prove the treatments efficacy....This (http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2013/07/update-on-mms-malaria-trial-in-uganda/) casts doubts on the Ugandan "trial" earlier this year.

[jonbuoy]

There is a bit of hype and hysteria that comes with all sudden outbreaks of any disease. That whole negative air thing in the NZ hospital room on the news last night? been around for years but it's made to look like a new and wow innovation to combat anyone who ''may'' have to be quarantined should they turn up here with it, which in itself, is very unlikely.


That Y2K bug never hurt anyone either. :msn-wink:

Negative/Positive air pressure systems been used for decades to keep nasties in or out. I don't think anyone can underestimate how serious Ebola could be. The west has become a bit arrogant in their thinking of this as being a third world only disease. When they talk of quarantine they consider everyone who has come within a meter of an infected person a potential risk.

[oldrider]

Would love it if you have scientific trials to prove the treatments efficacy....This (http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2013/07/update-on-mms-malaria-trial-in-uganda/) casts doubts on the Ugandan "trial" earlier this year.

True!

The reason for the turn around against MMS was the threat to remove all funding and medical support from the Ugandan Red Cross if they continued!

Thats the way the Big Phama drug companies work ... can't blame the organisations buckling under to them but hey thats life!

Could direct you to plenty of evidence but don't have the time just now ... you could look around for it yourself ... if you really wanted to!

I have used MMS to try it out to see if it does work? ... Surprised? .... Yes I was! :yes: ....... Because, yes it did! :eek:

[R650R]

Non vaccine deniers.

What the hell is a vaccine denier???

The reality is this outbreak will kill less people than other current outbreaks of infectious disease around the world, eg malaria, flu, hiv aids, measles, whooping cough etc....
Its just been glammed up by the fear-porn media.
Funny though how they will come up with a vaccine overnight for this that 'works' and not for the original version or anything else significant...

Someone mentioned Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders back a few posts. It indeed had a similar story in plot twist. Interestingly enough it also starts off with a suicidal pilot crashing a 747 into the white house. This was written pre 911 by a writer with close military links. Casts more doubt on Condi rices and others claims that they had never envisioned such a scenario yet it was in a best selling book, prob popular in Washington circles...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYSyuuLk5g

[Shaun Harris]

What the hell is a vaccine denier???

The reality is this outbreak will kill less people than other current outbreaks of infectious disease around the world, eg malaria, flu, hiv aids, measles, whooping cough etc....
Its just been glammed up by the fear-porn media.
Funny though how they will come up with a vaccine overnight for this that 'works' and not for the original version or anything else significant...

Someone mentioned Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders back a few posts. It indeed had a similar story in plot twist. Interestingly enough it also starts off with a suicidal pilot crashing a 747 into the white house. This was written pre 911 by a writer with close military links. Casts more doubt on Condi rices and others claims that they had never envisioned such a scenario yet it was in a best selling book, prob popular in Washington circles...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYSyuuLk5g


I Hope your opening paragraph is correct man

[bluninja]

I have used MMS to try it out to see if it does work? ... Surprised? .... Yes I was! :yes: ....... Because, yes it did! :eek:

So was that for Malaria, or HIV? :innocent:

Thing is I know someone who uses vibrational medicine to cure dogs of fleas (and other ailments)....absolutely no peer reviewed proper trials but lots of "proof" on the interweb for those believers that look for it. She has proof...after treating dogs with her medicine the flea infestation goes away and dead fleas are found.....and she has lots of testimonials that are "proof" from happy customers. Of course us unbelievers are in in thrall to big pharma that have brainwashed us into believing only their poisonous chemicals can cure us :facepalm:

This is the same "proof" that sells magnetic underblamkets and copper bracelets.


http://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0

[oldrider]

So was that for Malaria, or HIV? :innocent:

Thing is I know someone who uses vibrational medicine to cure dogs of fleas (and other ailments)....absolutely no peer reviewed proper trials but lots of "proof" on the interweb for those believers that look for it. She has proof...after treating dogs with her medicine the flea infestation goes away and dead fleas are found.....and she has lots of testimonials that are "proof" from happy customers. Of course us unbelievers are in in thrall to big pharma that have brainwashed us into believing only their poisonous chemicals can cure us :facepalm:

This is the same "proof" that sells magnetic underblamkets and copper bracelets.

Enjoyed that ... clever and funny but you are jumping to conclusions ... the MMS I tried helped with what I tried it for and that surprised me!

I have no idea about the rest but I think when the orthodox medicals are stumped like as in Ebola (Virus) ... what the fuck is there to lose?

Big Phama are lying bastards ... there is plenty of proof of that ... it is not an issue!

[Akzle]

So was that for Malaria, or HIV? :innocent:

Thing is I know someone who uses vibrational medicine to cure dogs of fleas (and other ailments)....absolutely no peer reviewed proper trials but lots of "proof" on the interweb for those believers that look for it. She has proof...after treating dogs with her medicine the flea infestation goes away and dead fleas are found.....and she has lots of testimonials that are "proof" from happy customers. Of course us unbelievers are in in thrall to big pharma that have brainwashed us into believing only their poisonous chemicals can cure us :facepalm:

This is the same "proof" that sells magnetic underblamkets and copper bracelets.


http://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0

thatd be the proof that cannabis is baaaaaad, and any perceived benefit is imaginary.

[oldrider]

thatd be the proof that cannabis is baaaaaad, and any perceived benefit is imaginary.

Cannabis is a much maligned plant simply because of fuckwits that abuse it and fuckwits that want to protect the world from it! :weird:

[Woodman]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

[Virago]

Just watched the news on TV about the situation in west Africa - you could see the chem trails in the sky.

[Maha]

Just watched the news on TV about the situation in west Africa - you could see the chem trails in the sky.

..... shall we wait for the latest conspiracy instalment from the Taupo area on this issue?

[bluninja]

Enjoyed that ... clever and funny but you are jumping to conclusions ... the MMS I tried helped with what I tried it for and that surprised me! So not HIV or Ebola? A limited trial without a control. Cool, glad it worked for you. :wings:



I have no idea about the rest but I think when the orthodox medicals are stumped like as in Ebola (Virus) ... what the fuck is there to lose? I think trying plausible but unproven treatments in the face of certain death is better than nothing. I don't agree with lining the pockets of snake oil salesmen, who have the very same behaviours as big pharma.



Big Phama are lying bastards ... there is plenty of proof of that ... it is not an issue! Yes big pharma lobby to get their products released as quickly as possible at the highest mark up, provide selective evidence at times that downplay risks and upsell benefits, possibly even run PR campaigns and news updates to highlight a media friendly worthy who will die without their new wonder drug that the evil health boards and insurance companies won't fund. They are as ruthless and creatively manipulative as the tobacco industry.

[jonbuoy]

What the hell is a vaccine denier???

The reality is this outbreak will kill less people than other current outbreaks of infectious disease around the world, eg malaria, flu, hiv aids, measles, whooping cough etc....
Its just been glammed up by the fear-porn media.
Funny though how they will come up with a vaccine overnight for this that 'works' and not for the original version or anything else significant...

Someone mentioned Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders back a few posts. It indeed had a similar story in plot twist. Interestingly enough it also starts off with a suicidal pilot crashing a 747 into the white house. This was written pre 911 by a writer with close military links. Casts more doubt on Condi rices and others claims that they had never envisioned such a scenario yet it was in a best selling book, prob popular in Washington circles...



Aids - don't have sex you won't get it. Measles, Mumps - immunisation. Malaria can and has been irradiated in the USA. Western treatment of malaria can get the kill rate to 20% in Africa it's around 40%. Current Ebola is 70% kill rate no carrier to easily irradicate. SARS kill rate was under 10%. If Ebola infects the same number of people as Malaria currently does worldwide the numbers of dead would be around 280 million vs 1 million for Malaria.

[yokel]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

how much money are they going to throw at this EBOLA "problem"?
If you want made up stuff just watch the 6 o'clock news

[jonbuoy]

how much money are they going to throw at this EBOLA "problem"?
If you want made up stuff just watch the 6 o'clock news

What are your sources of information?

[Winston001]

Seems to be spreading quite nicely for a hard to catch virus. Aids is a hard to catch Virus- I don't put Ebola in the easily avoidable bracket.

I'm coming around to your way of thinking. The original outbreak has become a lethal epidemic and even doctors and nurses who have used bio-suits are being infected.

There are two possibilities: this Ebola strain (Ebola Zaire) has mutated and can now survive for short periods in the air.

Or the conditions in West Africa are so primitive and the people in poor health, that any Ebola exposure leads to infection.

As I understand it Ebola mutates very slowly so I'd guess the second reason.

Heard a Belgian doctor on the radio explaining that tired medical people strip off their headgear and wipe the sweat from their forehead. Using an infected hand because their glove tore a small hole while working with patients. That'll do it.

[Winston001]

It is true that CDC on behalf of the US Secretary for Health has applied for an Ebola patent.

On 24 October 2008: arising from the discovery in the CDC labs of EboBun in November 2007.

The patent is specifically for hEbola called Ebola Bundibugyo. EboBun. This appears to be a unique version of the Filoviridae which contains Marburg and the four Ebola strains.

As best I can tell, CDC found a human infectious variant and decided to patent it so they and everybody else could work on a precisely known Ebola virus. Learn how to develop a vaccine.

Have a look at the patent, its fascinating reading. Here is a clip:


"BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

The family Filoviridae consists of two genera, Marburgvirus and Ebolavirus, which have likely evolved from a common ancestor1. The genus Ebolavirus includes four species: Zaire, Sudan, Reston and Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast) ebolaviruses, which have, with the exception of Reston and Côte d'Ivoire ebolaviruses, been associated with large hemorrhagic fever (HF) outbreaks in Africa with high case fatality (53-90%)2.


Viruses of each species have genomes that are at least 30-40% divergent from one another, a level of diversity that presumably reflects differences in the ecological niche they occupy and in their evolutionary history. Identification of the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses remains somewhat elusive, although recent PCR and antibody data suggest that three species of arboreal fruit bats may be carriers of Zaire ebolavirus3.

No data has yet been published to suggest reservoirs for the Sudan, Reston and Côte d'Ivoire ebolavirus species.


Filovirus outbreaks are sporadic, sometimes interspersed by years or even decades of no apparent disease activity. The last new species of ebolavirus was discovered 14 years ago (1994), in Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), and involved a single non-fatal case, a veterinarian who performed an autopsy on an infected chimpanzee found in the Tai Forest6.


In late November 2007, HF cases were reported in the townships of Bundibugyo and Kikyo in Bundibugyo District, Western Uganda. The outbreak continued through January 2008, and resulted in approximately 149 cases and 37 deaths2.

These specimens were negative when initially tested with highly sensitive real-time RT-PCR assays specific for all known Zaire and Sudan ebolaviruses and Marburg viruses. This new species is referred to herein as “the Bundibugyo species”, abbreviated “EboBun”.


Accordingly, compositions and methods directed to the new Ebola virus species are described herein and the most closely related Ebola Ivory Coast species, which compositions and methods are useful for diagnosis and prevention of human Ebola virus infection; including related vaccine development, and prevention of hemorrhagic fever in a human population."

http://www.google.com/patents/US20120251502

[RDJ]

Y'all can troll conspiracy theories as much as (some of you) want to but I have been temporarily reassigned to our southern African operation in part to beef up our on the ground presence because of the viral hemorrhagic fever imminent pandemic. And I can assure you, from direct personal involvement, this is serious. And has a very significant potential to go lethally global in a way that a few months ago would have been purely the stuff of a Hollywood scriptwriter's fevered imagination. The "authorities" appear to have discarded the historically tested safeguard of quarantine so as not to be accused of racism. Not saying we're all doomed, but certainly saying we're at significantly increased risk in the short-term because of (1) the speed and interconnectivity of international air travel and (2) a reluctance to confine the disease vector within its present geographical location. Because, diversity, racism, white privilege, colonialism. Every now and then, political correctness will kill.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/cdc-150-people-enter-us-day-ebola-stricken-countries-or-4500-month#

[Maha]

The effect Ebola will have on the rest of the world will be minimal, every so often, some sort of population control in over populated areas is inevitable and dare I say it, accepted. Not all storms actually fit into every tea cup.

[Katman]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

Why would the Dutch government be coming under criticism and investigation for their ownership of the patent for the MERS virus then?

http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2013/05/outbreak-continues-confusion-reigns-over-virus-patents

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/24/4362626/who-investigate-patent-mers-virus

[Woodman]

Why would the Dutch government be coming under criticism and investigation for their ownership of the patent for the MERS virus then?

http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2013/05/outbreak-continues-confusion-reigns-over-virus-patents

Did you read the whole article or just draw a conclusion from the first paragraph?:brick:

[Katman]

Did you read the whole article or just draw a conclusion from the first paragraph?:brick:

It's an article that indicates there is oppostion to the manner in which the Dutch are using the patent for a disease - regardless of any particular slant you might perceive the article itself to have.

[R650R]

Aids - don't have sex you won't get it.

Screw that, literally! Its actually quite a hard disease to get (touchwood). http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/


Measles, Mumps - immunisation.

Immunised for measles, got it quite bad, immunisation failed, natural immunse system cleared it out, never had it again since


Malaria can and has been irradiated in the USA. Western treatment of malaria can get the kill rate to 20% in Africa it's around 40%.

No one gets malaria in western countries, the conditions aren't right. Its that tropical holiday in Indonesia or india where people get infected easily and die


Western treatment of malaria can get the kill rate to 20% in Africa it's around 40%. Current Ebola is 70% kill rate no carrier to easily irradicate. SARS kill rate was under 10%. If Ebola infects the same number of people as Malaria currently does worldwide the numbers of dead would be around 280 million vs 1 million for Malaria.

Kill rates mean nothing without a reference to the transmission/infection rate. If mosquito/insect bites were a viable transmission method instead of monkey/bat bites or eating contaminated meat then ebola would be much more widespread so clear its not.

[scrivy]

Is the CDC government owned, or private like the US Fed?

[Katman]

..... shall we wait for the latest conspiracy instalment from the Taupo area on this issue?

You might have to ask Anne to read it to you again.

[pete376403]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention

[jonbuoy]

Screw that, literally! Its actually quite a hard disease to get (touchwood). http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/



Immunised for measles, got it quite bad, immunisation failed, natural immunse system cleared it out, never had it again since



No one gets malaria in western countries, the conditions aren't right. Its that tropical holiday in Indonesia or india where people get infected easily and die



Kill rates mean nothing without a reference to the transmission/infection rate. If mosquito/insect bites were a viable transmission method instead of monkey/bat bites or eating contaminated meat then ebola would be much more widespread so clear its not.

In the past Ebola has wiped itself out by having too high of a kill rate. Your talking about two different things - the jump from species to species and then the jump from person to person. You need to do some more reading into Malarias history in Europe.

[Winston001]

Can anyone explain what a virus is?

[oldrider]

Can anyone explain what a virus is?

You can even watch them being killed here: http://www.whale.to/w/rife.html

[Maha]

You might have to ask Anne to read it to you again.

Rest assured that I will be asleep before the end of the first paragraph..

[RDJ]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services

The CDC has some seriously impressive achievements under its belt, most recently in terms of the response to SARS and identifying H1N1. Unfortunately, in the age of 'progressiveness' and leftist co-opting of scientific institutions, the current head is a politically correct puppet motivated by global socialist goals rather than scientific enquiry... And is unwilling (in fact probably philosophically simply unable) to say and do what needs to be said and done.

As one example, consider this quote from Dr Friedan (CDC Head) as to why he doesn't support quarantine

A travel ban is not the right answer. It’s simply not feasible to build a wall – virtual or real – around a community, city, or country. A travel ban would essentially quarantine the more than 22 million people that make up the combined populations of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. When a wildfire breaks out we don’t fence it off. We go in to extinguish it before one of the random sparks sets off another outbreak somewhere else.


Ummm... The idiocy is strong in this one. When a wildfire breaks out we attack it at source (in this context, it means we continue to help the populations of these three benighted countries with training, personnel, equipment and infrastructure but that's not all... PLUS we establish firebreaks to prevent the fire from spreading. We indeed do try to wall off the fire... Good. Grief.

[Akzle]

Ummm... The idiocy is strong in this one. When a wildfire breaks out we attack it at source (in this context, it means we continue to help the populations of these three benighted countries with training, personnel, equipment and infrastructure but that's not all... PLUS we establish firebreaks to prevent the fire from spreading. We indeed do try to wall off the fire... Good. Grief.

yeah, he's just chief of disiease and shit. nothing so important or useful as putting out fires, thankfully...