Nicky Hager

[Woodman]

Interesting, it seems that the conspiracy theorist fucktard non sheeple, free thinking, stick it to the man oxygen thieves are all for institutionalised education. As long as it leans towards their viewpoint its okay.

[Ocean1]

Interesting, it seems that the conspiracy theorist fucktard non sheeple, free thinking, stick it to the man oxygen thieves are all for institutionalised education. As long as it leans towards their viewpoint its okay.

And someone else is paying...

[mashman]

I'm OK with that but might be a bit much for the old fellow to digest :lol:

lol, that fucker's smarter than all of us put together. I'm sure he'll muddle through :laugh:

[Katman]

Well I didn't imagine we'd heard the last of it.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/govt-taken-to-court-over-lack-of-hit-run-inquiry.html

[Oakie]

Well I didn't imagine we'd heard the last of it. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/08/govt-taken-to-court-over-lack-of-hit-run-inquiry.html

Must be election year. Either that or they didn't sell enough books first time around.

[Katman]

Must be election year. Either that or they didn't sell enough books first time around.

Either that or there might just be some substance to the book.

(Considering the latest development is down to the legal counsel representing the Afghan villagers - not Nicky Hager).

[YellowDog]

Either that or there might just be some substance to the book.

(Considering the latest development is down to the legal counsel representing the Afghan villagers - not Nicky Hager).

Sounds a bit overly PC to me. I say send the troops back, to kill the complainers :yes:

[BuzzardNZ]

Sounds a bit overly PC to me. I say send the troops back, to kill the complainers :yes:

+1 agreed :D

[caspernz]

Must be election year. Either that or they didn't sell enough books first time around.

Now why did those two reasons cross my mind first as well...:innocent::shutup::blink::shit:

[FJRider]

Must be election year.

Funny that you should say that ...

As per usual ... timing is everything ... :devil2:


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11237971

[russd7]

Either that or there might just be some substance to the book.

(Considering the latest development is down to the legal counsel representing the Afghan villagers - not Nicky Hager).

do you honestly believe that the villagers in a small village in afghanastan got together and said,
"here listen here chiefy old boy, them fucken kiwis have just swept this whole thing under the carpet even after all that work that the luvly nicky did with his book, we think we need to get us a couple of lawyers and take them bloody kiwi gubment to court, that'll fuck em"

:facepalm:

[Murray]

do you honestly believe that the villagers in a small village in afghanastan got together and said,
"here listen here chiefy old boy, them fucken kiwis have just swept this whole thing under the carpet even after all that work that the luvly nicky did with his book, we think we need to get us a couple of lawyers and take them bloody kiwi gubment to court, that'll fuck em"

:facepalm:

Katman does

[Katman]

do you honestly believe that the villagers in a small village in afghanastan got together and said,
"here listen here chiefy old boy, them fucken kiwis have just swept this whole thing under the carpet even after all that work that the luvly nicky did with his book, we think we need to get us a couple of lawyers and take them bloody kiwi gubment to court, that'll fuck em"

:facepalm:

Dude, these villagers aren't being represented by some guy called Saul.

[nzspokes]

do you honestly believe that the villagers in a small village in afghanastan got together and said,
"here listen here chiefy old boy, them fucken kiwis have just swept this whole thing under the carpet even after all that work that the luvly nicky did with his book, we think we need to get us a couple of lawyers and take them bloody kiwi gubment to court, that'll fuck em"

:facepalm:

That would be of course if they had any clue what a Court or Lawyer was. :lol:

[Katman]

I'm interested to know whether any who have posted here so far have actually read the book yet.

[Ocean1]

I'm interested to know whether any who have posted here so far have actually read the book yet.

You mean the bit about how Hageresque the pre-election timing is?

Or the claim that that's just due to "logistical issues"?

[Katman]

You mean the bit about how Hageresque the pre-election timing is?

Or the claim that that's just due to "logistical issues"?

No, I mean the actual book.

[Ocean1]

No, I mean the actual book.

The book by a known anti government activist with a history of demonstrably borderline defamatory, politically agitating allegations released a couple of weeks before an election?

Who the fuck would bother reading that shit?

I mean, outside of half a dozen conspiracy theorists desperate for confirmation of their most fevered wet dreams, obviously...

[Katman]

Who the fuck would bother reading that shit?

Anyone who wanted to comment other than from a position of ignorance.

[Oakie]

I'm interested to know whether any who have posted here so far have actually read the book yet.

No, but I don't need to read the Bible either to not believe that a dead man came back to life, that water was turned into wine, that 5000 people were fed by a few loafs and fishes, that lepars and blind people were healed by touch, that bushes spontaneously combust, that the seas parted to allow people to escape etc. Writing a book doesn't make it true ... and feel free to negative rep me with the sparkling comment 'brain dead fuck' again ... I don't really care. It's just internets.

Honestly though, it would be a shame if they do have a genuine grievance and so many of us dismiss it just because it's Nicky Hager name attached to the claim.

[Katman]

... and feel free to negative rep me with the sparkling comment 'brain dead fuck' again ...

If it quacks like a duck....


Honestly though, it would be a shame if they do have a genuine grievance and so many of us dismiss it just because it's Nicky Hager name attached to the claim.

No shit Sherlock.

[Ocean1]

Anyone who wanted to comment other than from a position of ignorance.

...Would be more accurately informed by Mills and Boon.

[Maha]

If it quacks like a duck....




It could fly into a 110 story sky scraper causing the building to collapse and entice conspiracy theories which will be followed almost bible like by dickheads around the world for years to come?

[Katman]

...Would be more accurately informed by Mills and Boon.

I'm sure Pritch will be along presently.

[Paulo]

The book by a known anti government activist with a history of demonstrably borderline defamatory, politically agitating allegations released a couple of weeks before an election?

Who the fuck would bother reading that shit?

I mean, outside of half a dozen conspiracy theorists desperate for confirmation of their most fevered wet dreams, obviously...

I was talking to a mate who is a crown prosecutor about Hager and he pointed out that for all his publications not a single person has taken hime to court for libel or slander, which he reckons means he's done his homework, as people loath him and would have him in court as soon as possible if he was selling porkies.

[Katman]

I was talking to a mate who is a crown prosecutor about Hager and he pointed out that for all his publications not a single person has taken hime to court for libel or slander, which he reckons means he's done his homework, as people loath him and would have him in court as soon as possible if he was selling porkies.

At least the mention of Hager's name gives the likes of Ocean an opportunity to focus on something other than the facts of the matter.

[Ocean1]

I was talking to a mate who is a crown prosecutor about Hager and he pointed out that for all his publications not a single person has taken hime to court for libel or slander, which he reckons means he's done his homework, as people loath him and would have him in court as soon as possible if he was selling porkies.

So, using the same logic nobody's been convicted for any of the "crimes" he "reports" on because nobody's actually guilty of any of them.

Isn't it more likely that his reports contain more conjecture than evidence?

Or does katflap, in fact have the missing chapters of Hager's "research" containing all of the facts the MIB are suppressing, proving the bogymen are guilty as fuck?

Choon in again next week for more pointless attention whoring drivel, folks!!!

[Katman]

Choon in again next week for more pointless attention whoring drivel, folks!!!

Seriously dude, stop embarrassing yourself.

[Woodman]

Seriously dude, stop embarrassing yourself.


So what has his book achieved?

[Katman]

So what has his book achieved?

Watch this space.

[Woodman]

Watch this space.


Okay but I feel it will be the same as watching that reality tv shit about the guys that go out hunting bigfoot. They still haven't found it or even filmed it after how many seasons? And fuckwits still watch it:brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:

But okay katman I will wait to see what fuckstain hagers book produces.

[1billyboy]

I'm watching. What happening.

[scumdog]

do you honestly believe that the villagers in a small village in afghanastan got together and said,
"here listen here chiefy old boy, them fucken kiwis have just swept this whole thing under the carpet even after all that work that the luvly nicky did with his book, we think we need to get us a couple of lawyers and take them bloody kiwi gubment to court, that'll fuck em"

:facepalm:

Gotta spread rep....

[scumdog]

I was talking to a mate who is a crown prosecutor about Hager and he pointed out that for all his publications not a single person has taken hime to court for libel or slander, which he reckons means he's done his homework, as people loath him and would have him in court as soon as possible if he was selling porkies.

Most likely they couldn't be buggered...

[awayatc]

People got killed in a war zone. ...?

No way!


Any SAS member's little pinky's fingernail clipping is worth more then a 100 Hagers.

Sod of

[husaberg]

I was talking to a mate who is a crown prosecutor about Hager and he pointed out that for all his publications not a single person has taken hime to court for libel or slander, which he reckons means he's done his homework, as people loath him and would have him in court as soon as possible if he was selling porkies.

He hasn't been to court for libel as he uses words such as "could" and "might" and "in my opinion" rather than implying what he says are facts, which they very clearly are not.

[bogan]

So what has his book achieved?

Same thing as his last election year one would be my guess, harvest antiestablishment plebs for book moneys. If only there was some way to metric words sold vs words actually read...

[Katman]

Any SAS member's little pinky's fingernail clipping is worth more then a 100 Hagers.

How about an innocent 3 year old?

[awayatc]

Innocent.....

What if back on the day somebody would have killed innocent little baby Adolf....?

Anyway...
Hager wasn't there....
Nor where you.

A handful of extremely highly trained NZ fighting elite were the only ones who where.

Pretty piss weak to second guess them now from the couch.

Especially by people who could barely survive a day in NZ if there would be an electricity outage....

[Woodman]

he uses words such as "could" and "might" and "in my opinion" rather than implying what he says are facts, which they very clearly are not.

so does katman..........

[Katman]

Anyway...
Hager wasn't there....
Nor where you.

A handful of extremely highly trained NZ fighting elite were the only ones who where.


Plus the villagers who told their story to Jon Stephenson.

I think you'll find they were there too.

[nzspokes]

Innocent.....

What if back on the day somebody would have killed innocent little baby Adolf....?

Anyway...
Hager wasn't there....
Nor where you.

A handful of extremely highly trained NZ fighting elite were the only ones who where.

Pretty piss weak to second guess them now from the couch.

Especially by people who could barely survive a day in NZ if there would be an electricity outage....

Knowing a few of the Sand Berret crowd, its funny to watch the couch soldiers go on about this kind of thing. They run into situations that most run away from.

[Katman]

Knowing a few of the Sand Berret crowd, its funny to watch the couch soldiers go on about this kind of thing. They run into situations that most run away from.

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

[nzspokes]

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

I dont stand to lose a thing shit for brains. I was not there.

[bogan]

If you're so sure of the integrity of your imaginary 'Sand Berret' (sic) friends you should welcome the opportunity of an investigation to clear their name.

What would you stand to lose?

Don't be so naive, even an investigation which finds nothing damages reputation. There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it. If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[Maha]

I'm sure Pritch will be along presently.

Is your definition of presently the same as the rest of us?

[Katman]

Don't be so naive, even an investigation which finds nothing damages reputation.

The only thing naive here is your belief in the notion that there's 'nothing to see here'.

[Woodman]

Why is hagers book seen as gospel to some? is it selective hearing?

[Katman]

Why is hagers book seen as gospel to some? is it selective hearing?

The book exposes serious allegations that need to be investigated.

I certainly don't see it as 'gospel'.

[bogan]

The only thing naive here is your belief in the notion that there's 'nothing to see here'.

There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it. If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[Katman]

There's no point legitimising the ravings of a 'journo' once again trying to cash in on outrage during an election year when there is fuck all to back it.

I doubt these lawyers would be taking this to the High Court if they had 'fuck all to back it'.

[bogan]

I doubt these lawyers would be taking this to the High Court if they had 'fuck all to back it'.

If conspiracy fuckwits like yourself fail to even articulate the reasons and evidence such an investigation should be launched, the book is clearly full of worthless drivel. For the same reason you won't spend the time and money getting a real education, we won't waste ours on these drivilous conspiracy theories your type spew forth every day before gish galloping on to the next.

[husaberg]

The book exposes serious allegations that need to be investigated.

I certainly don't see it as 'gospel'.

Yet When the book came out you said it had facts that needed to be investigated ...............

[Katman]

Yet When the book came out you said it had facts that needed to be intestigated ...............

:facepalm:

Seriously dude, you should take Akzle's advice.

[pritch]

Katman, Does this qualify as presently? I was anxiously awaiting your book review but if you did one I must've missed it.

Having just read the thread thus far, and having seen the lawyers on the news, I have the strong impression that this is all about "default settings".

Katman wants an inquiry. Katman always wants an inquiry, doesn't matter what the topic is, he wants answers to the questions. Never mind what questions.
That's his default setting.

Machiavelli in his book 'The Prince' counsels "be well advised". He says that you never ask generals if you should go to war, generals always answer yes to that. That's their default setting.

Using the same logic you should never ask lawyers if you should go to court. Lawyers will always answer yes to that. That's their default setting.
Except that nobody asked these lawyers anything. They have decided on their own to go to court. For me to concede them any credibility at all they need to doing this pro bono. Otherwise they give the impression they are just chasing the gravy train.

I'm pessimistic that this court action will achieve anything worthwhile, but there is a certain potential for ummm entertainment(?). The Army will probably try an "operational security" smoke screen, but their brass had better hope National win the election. National were in power at the time so to an extent their interests are aligned with that of the Army. Not so Labour or the Greens.

Britain has had a problem with ambulance chasing lawyers going to Iraq and seeking cases to take against the troops and the government. I do not support the shooting of prisoners or unarmed non-combatants, but I might find myself sympathetic toward troops who shot the lawyers.

This case bears certain similarities to what has happened in the UK. Whether that's a good thing may come out in court. Or not.

[Katman]

Katman, Does this qualify as presently? I was anxiously awaiting your book review but if you did one I must've missed it.

You could always read it for yourself.

[husaberg]

You could always read it for yourself.

Yet You made the above statement without reading the book yourself, is that why you now seem to admit it contains no actual facts............

[Katman]

Yet You made the above statement without reading the book yourself, is that why you now seem to admit it contains no actual facts............

I'm sure the book contains a great many facts.

An investigation would determine just how many.

[Maha]

Katman, Does this qualify as presently?


Lucky the term Jiffy wasn't used, that's approximately 33.3564 picoseconds and not even Rossi is that quick.

[Maha]

People got killed in a war zone. ...?

No way!



It happens from time to time, if bombs and bullets happen within your vicinity then shit will undoubtedly occur.

[husaberg]

I'm sure the book contains a great many facts.

An investigation would determine just how many.

Like the fact Jon Stephenson the guy who intervewed the allegeded victims has never ever been to the village where they claim the incident occured......:niceone:
or the fact that gps tracking of the mission show the NZ sas never even went with 2 km's of the village at all that stephensons alleged victims say they did.

[Katman]

Like the fact Jon Stephenson the guy who intervewed the allegeded victims has never ever been to the village where they claim the incident occured......:niceone:

That's right - the villagers came to him.

[bogan]

or the fact that gps tracking of the mission show the NZ sas never even went with 10 km's of the village at all that stephensons alleged victims say they did.

that seems a lot like a verifiable piece of evidence, are you allowed to post those sorts of things in a Katspiracy thread?

[husaberg]

that seems a lot like a verifiable piece of evidence, are you allowed to post those sorts of things in a Katspiracy thread?

Yeah it also sounds like Stephson rather than visiting the village like a true investigator would he just put the word out that he was investigating a allegded masacre and he wanted to tallk to victims families
funny enough according to katman above he had people come foward all to willing to tell him what he wanted to hear (for a price no doubt)..........
A true to life self-fulfilling prophecy emerged.
The only wrinkle is the details like location don't actually match up to verified facts, What stephenson and Hagger and katman dismiss as minor little details, like actual location, are pretty important when it can be proven the Kiwis were nowhere near there.

[Katman]

that seems a lot like a verifiable piece of evidence, are you allowed to post those sorts of things in a Katspiracy thread?

The location of the villages is incorrectly marked on one of the maps in the book.

We've been through all this already.

[husaberg]

The location of the villages is incorrectly marked on one of the maps in the book.

We've been through all this already.

No Katman even Hager subsequently admitted the location of the alledeged village incident is actually substainally different to the location which the alledged victims gave to Stephenson.....
later co-incidentially the allegded village victims again changed their story and said it was actually the location shown by the NZDF afterall.

#Note prior to this Hager and Stephenson had said

In a statement sent to media on Sunday night, the authors say it’s “actually impossible that the story is wrong”.

[Katman]

No Katman even Hager later admitted the location of the alledeged village incident is actually substainally different to the location which the alledged victims gave to Stephenson.....


He admitted that the locations are incorrectly marked on one of the maps in the book.

[husaberg]

He admitted that the locations are incorrectly marked on one of the maps in the book.

No Katman even Hager subsequently admitted the location of the alledeged village incident is actually substainally different to the location which the alledged victims gave to Stephenson.....
later co-incidentially the allegded village victims again changed their story and said it was actually the location shown by the NZDF afterall.

#Note prior to this Hager and Stephenson had said

In a statement sent to media on Sunday night, the authors say it’s “actually impossible that the story is wrong”.

yet
Hager and Stephenson say two villages in the Tirgiran Valley, called Naik and Khak Khuday Dad, were targeted, The NZDF say New Zealand soldiers have ever visited these villages.

[Katman]

Hager and Stephenson say two villages in the Tirgiran Valley, called Naik and Khak Khuday Dad, were targeted, The NZDF say New Zealand soldiers have ever visited these villages.

Dude, every time I flip a coin to decide whether to go with one of New Zealand's leading Human Rights lawyers or with Kiwibiker's leading fucking retard, you lose.

It must be a sign.

[bogan]

Dude, every time I flip a coin to decide whether to go with one of New Zealand's leading Human Rights lawyers or with Kiwibiker's leading fucking retard, you lose.

It must be a sign.

Sounds like an incredibly biased coin, one might even go so far as to say that it defies logic; but then, that's how you reach most of your conclusions anyway isn't it... :laugh:

[Katman]

Sounds like an incredibly biased coin....

It's one heavily weighted in favour of common sense.

[Woodman]

It's one heavily weighted in favour of common sense.

The exact same common sense that stops anyone with common sense reading anything from hager?

[bogan]

It's one heavily weighted in favour of common sense.

Like the common sense which would suggest coin flips are 50/50 chances? Or the thankfully uncommon conspiracist (non)sense? You do realise you're doing our job for us right? there is no need to go and discredit anti-govt types to ensure their ideals do not gain widespread traction with the likes of you, oldy, aksy, mashy and others showing just how 'great' it is to be anti-govt. That's the fucking funniest thing about it, you still don't get that, all that's left to do is laugh my arse off to the log off :innocent:

[Katman]

Like the common sense which would suggest coin flips are 50/50 chances? Or the thankfully uncommon conspiracist (non)sense? You do realise you're doing our job for us right? there is no need to go and discredit anti-govt types to ensure their ideals do not gain widespread traction with the likes of you, oldy, aksy, mashy and others showing just how 'great' it is to be anti-govt. That's the fucking funniest thing about it, you still don't get that, all that's left to do is laugh my arse off to the log off :innocent:

So we've got Deborah Manning on one hand and Kiwibiker's resident Chief Fuckwit on the other.

Does that sound anything like a 50/50 contest to you?

[Woodman]

So we've got Deborah Manning on one hand and Kiwibiker's resident Chief Fuckwit on the other.

Does that sound anything like a 50/50 contest to you?

What? you support a lawyer? whats more a lawyer who was trained at a university that teaches people how to think like sheep. A lawyer who earns well over the average wage?

[Katman]

What? you support a lawyer? whats more a lawyer who was trained at a university that teaches people how to think like sheep. A lawyer who earns well over the average wage?

A lawyer who's infinitely smarter than Berkboy.

Case closed.

[husaberg]

Dude, every time I flip a coin to decide whether to go with one of New Zealand's leading Human Rights lawyers or with Kiwibiker's leading fucking retard, you lose.

It must be a sign.
No its just one of your distractions attempts to avoid the obvious shortcomming of your assertions about the validty of Hagers book

He admitted that the locations are incorrectly marked on one of the maps in the book.

No Katman even Hager subsequently admitted the location of the alledeged village incident is actually substainally different to the location which the alledged victims gave to Stephenson.....
later co-incidentially the allegded village victims again changed their story and said it was actually the location shown by the NZDF afterall.

#Note prior to this Hager and Stephenson had said

In a statement sent to media on Sunday night, the authors say it’s “actually impossible that the story is wrong”.

yet
Hager and Stephenson say two villages in the Tirgiran Valley, called Naik and Khak Khuday Dad, were targeted, The NZDF say New Zealand soldiers have ever visited these villages.
This is backed up with video and GPS tracking.

[Katman]

The only wrinkle is the details like location don't actually match up to verified facts, What stephenson and Hagger and katman dismiss as minor little details, like actual location, are pretty important when it can be proven the Kiwis were nowhere near there.

There was an attack on their villages on the nights that New Zealanders carried out Operation Burnham in the same area.

There is no doubt that they are one in the same.

[Woodman]

A lawyer who's infinitely smarter than Berkboy.

Case closed.

But husaberg doesn't make money from posting on kb therefore he has the moral high ground according to katman logic.

[husaberg]

There was an attack on their villages on the nights that New Zealanders carried out Operation Burnham in the same area.

There is no doubt that they are one in the same.

Really, because Hager and Stephenson and the alledged victims can't actually agree where the incident occured.
Hager has said the village where Stephenson says the incident occued doesn't actually exist.
#neither has been to the village.


What? you support a lawyer? whats more a lawyer who was trained at a university that teaches people how to think like sheep. A lawyer who earns well over the average wage?

But husaberg doesn't make money from posting on kb therefore he has the moral high ground according to katman logic.

You forget hes an epic hypocrite.

[Katman]

Really, because Hager and Stephenson and the alledged victims can't actually agree where the incident occured.
Hager has said the village where Stephenson says the incident occued doesn't actually exist.
#neither has been to the village.

There is absolutely no chance that another attack took place on that same night in the same area without the NZDF's knowledge.

To cling to that argument shows your degree of desperation.

[husaberg]

To cling to that argument shows your degree of desperation.
Says you.....................thats epic:laugh:

[Katman]

Says you.....................thats epic:laugh:

Are you suggesting that a completely different attack took place that night, in the same area, without the NZDF's knowledge?

[husaberg]

Are you suggesting that a completely different attack took place that night, in the same area, without the NZDF's knowledge?

No thats clearly you doing that again, you need to constantly introduce such distractions as the witness story hager and Stephenson likely paid for can't actually stand on its own the merits or indeed up to basic levels of scrutiny.
Hager and Stephenson can't even agree what side of a mountain the attack occured or where it was or what it was called , Yet hagers primary souce of information was provided by Stephenson.

[Katman]

No thats clearly you doing that again, you need to constantly introduce such distraions as the witness story hager and Stephenson likely paid for can't actually stand on its own the merits or indeed up to basic levels of scrutiny.

In that case, the attacks described in the book are the attacks carried out by the NZDF during Operation Burnham.

There is no question that another raid could have been carried out that night, in that area, by other combatants, without the NZDF's knowledge.

[husaberg]

In that case, the attacks described in the book are the attacks carried out by the NZDF during Operation Burnham.


Okay then
Where did the alleged attack occur?
Where is the physical evidence to back up the alleged story? ie that is now being conveyed by the alleged victims.
Why did stephenson not go to the village and take photos and gather evidence?

[Katman]

Okay then
Where did the alleged attacked occur?


It occurred where the NZDF admit it occurred.

[husaberg]

Okay then
Where did the alleged attack occur?
Where is the physical evidence to back up the alleged story? ie that is now being conveyed by the alleged victims.
Why did stephenson not go to the village and take photos and gather evidence?



It occurred where the NZDF admit it occurred.

Answer all the questions properly or piss off back under your tin foil blanket.
Your inability to answer questions suggests you are clinging to your faith again. Maybe now is a good time to also explain how you can explain how you rationalise how you ignore the witness testimony of hundreds of thousands of people that witnessed the holocaust on both sides, yet accept without question a couple of people in Afghanistan who were paid for their story?
Especially considering they also can’t even get the location details correct where the alleged incident was alleged to have occurred.
Or even get the timeline right to the nearest week of the events.

[Katman]

Answer all the questions properly or piss off back under your tin foil blanket.
Your inability to answer questions suggests you are clinging to your faith again. Maybe now is a good time to also explain how you can explain how you rationalise how you ignore the witness testimony of hundreds of thousands of people that witnessed the holocaust on both sides, yet accept without question a couple of people in Afghanistan who were paid for their story?
Especially considering they also can’t even get the location details correct where the alleged incident was alleged to have occurred.
Or even get the timeline right to the nearest week of the events.

Shut the fuck up shitforbrains.

Like I've said, if you actually think Deborah Manning and co don't have hard evidence to support their case, you're more fucking retarded than I've ever given you credit for.

[husaberg]

Shut the fuck up shitforbrains.

Like I've said, if you actually think Deborah Manning and co don't have hard evidence to support their case, you're more fucking retarded than I've ever given you credit for.

So okay you can't answer the questions then what a surprise. But wouldn't it have been just easier for you to admit that at the start and say, gee you are right my conspiracy theory faith clearly overrides my intellect.
Because that’s clearly why you are being such a narcissistic hypocrite about the situation and resorted to your normal go to move of abusive attacks.

Start a poll stevo, pd in how many more days............

[Maha]

So okay you can't answer the questions then what a surprise. But wouldn't it have been just easier for you to admit that at the start and say, gee you are right my conspiracy theory faith clearly overrides my intellect.
Because that’s clearly why you are being such a narcissistic hypocrite about the situation and resorted to your normal go to move of abusive attacks.

Start a poll stevo, pd in how many more days............

Being merged with a three year old thread equally damaging to ones forehead, is justified. Resorting to abusive snipes so early in any of his thread shouldn't come as any surprise though, his argument clearly has little left when that happens. Teenagers would recognise this emotion.

[Doppleganger]

Anyone else notice that all the Stuff.co.nz storys on this doesn't have the ability to comment................wonder why.......

[Maha]

Anyone else notice that all the Stuff.co.nz storys on this doesn't have the ability to comment................wonder why.......

Because the Editors surname is not White?

[sidecar bob]

Shut the fuck up shitforbrains.

Like I've said, if you actually think Deborah Manning and co don't have hard evidence to support their case, you're more fucking retarded than I've ever given you credit for.

Im assuming this response means we have a winner then?

[awayatc]

Im assuming this response means we have a winner then?

Winner....?

I only see losers......

[pritch]

OK this doesn't mention Hager, but it did happen in Afghanistan. For those who love questions there is much to ask about here. I have several of my own as the events in the valley look seriously odd. The Afghan National Police present during filming seemed to have a superior understanding of their tactical situation in comparison to the people there on the day. Unlike the NZ troops, the ANP didn't want to hang around in an excessively vulnerable situation.

It almost goes without saying that the reporters don't understand some of the military detail, but their errors are not sufficient to invalidate the questions.

Anyone who missed "The Valley" on Three last night can catch it on the Stuff website.

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-valley/#enduring-freedom

I hope that's the link to the start. It's in the form of several 'episodes'.

[Katman]

OK this doesn't mention Hager, but it did happen in Afghanistan. For those who love questions there is much to ask about here. I have several of my own as the events in the valley look seriously odd. The Afghan National Police present during filming seemed to have a superior understanding of their tactical situation in comparison to the people there on the day. Unlike the NZ troops, the ANP didn't want to hang around in an excessively vulnerable situation.

It almost goes without saying that the reporters don't understand some of the military detail, but their errors are not sufficient to invalidate the questions.


Questions?

How dare anyone ask questions!

I mean, next you'll be suggesting there should be an inquiry.

[scumdog]

It was war - shit happens in war, unpleasant though it may seem to some.

Some people are too precious.

Not the ones that have been to war though...

[Katman]

Some people are too precious.

And some people love cover-ups.

[scumdog]

And some people love cover-ups.

But not the tin-foil hat wearers - they love 'exposing' the 'cover-ups'.

[Katman]

But not the tin-foil hat wearers - they love 'exposing' the 'cover-ups'.

Considering your profession, your attitude comes as no surprise.

[scumdog]

Considering your profession, your attitude comes as no surprise.

I'm sorry?
Your point is??

[Ocean1]

I'm sorry?
Your point is??

He don't take kindly to a professional sleuth telling him his pet conspiracy is amateurish shite.

[Katman]

He don't take kindly to a professional sleuth telling him his pet conspiracy is amateurish shite.

Professional 'sleuth'??? :killingme

Fuck me, you're easily impressed.

[Doppleganger]

Can you imagine cowardly pricks like Hager being in the intense theater of war or even mildly dangerous situations :killingme

And to think our service men and women do what they do to give this guy a free speech ability...................fukin little wanker.

[Maha]

It was war - shit happens in war, unpleasant though it may seem to some.

Some people are too precious.

Not the ones that have been to war though...

I went to war once......no sorry my mistake, it was Huntly.

[Banditbandit]

Can you imagine cowardly pricks like Hager being in the intense theater of war or even mildly dangerous situations :killingme

And to think our service men and women do what they do to give this guy a free speech ability...................fukin little wanker.

AAAAaaand .. it's looking more and more like hagar is right ...

[Ocean1]

Professional 'sleuth'??? :killingme

Well that's what it says in his job description innit?


Fuck me, you're easily impressed.

And yet.... you haven't managed that.

[Katman]

AAAAaaand .. it's looking more and more like hagar is right ...

But at least he's giving plenty of people ample practice at messenger shooting.

[Katman]

Well that's what it says in his job description innit?

This (http://www.bmstores.co.uk/images/hpcProductImage/imgFull/271328-Postman-Pat-Friction-Police-Car-6.jpg) is probably a far more accurate depiction of his job description.

[Woodman]

Questions?

How dare anyone ask questions!

I mean, next you'll be suggesting there should be an inquiry.

The reporters on the valley were from Fairfax media. Aren't they run by by 6 jews and controlled by the government? So it seems you now support the main stream media katman.

Nothing like sticking to your principles aye?

[Katman]

Nothing like sticking to your principles aye?

If you say so Brian.

[awayatc]

It was war - shit happens in war, unpleasant though it may seem to some.

Some people are too precious.

Not the ones that have been to war though...


Couldn't possibly add anything of value to this statement of fact........

All you armchair warriors can or should get fucked....

[Akzle]

Couldn't possibly add anything of value to this statement of fact........

All you armchair warriors can or should get fucked....

you realise that that wanker is just one of the patched blue-vest gang? unlikely the cunt's been srsly under fire, and certainly never in anything approaching a fair exchange of lead?

[Katman]

unlikely the cunt's been srsly under fire

And even if he has, I'm sure he thoroughly deserved it.

[TheDemonLord]

And even if he has, I'm sure he thoroughly deserved it.

That's one of the cuntiest things I think I've ever read from your detestably vile fingers.

[Katman]

That's one of the cuntiest things I think I've ever read from your detestably vile fingers.

There's that autism again.

[TheDemonLord]

There's that autism again.

Well, at least on the brightside, you won't be passing your stupidity onto a next generation.

Thank fuck you didn't have the mental capacity to procreate - which puts you at least 2 or 3 rungs lower on the evolutionary hierarchy than the average guest on Jeremy Kyle...

[Katman]

Thank fuck you didn't have the mental capacity to procreate.

I call it careful planning.

[Honest Andy]

:killingme
call it what you like!
it still cums as a huge relief to the rest of us
:clap:

[Maha]

Fuck me, you're easily impressed.

Apparently... so is your wife.

[TheDemonLord]

I call it careful planning.

Others call it firing blanks...

[Woodman]

If you say so Brian.

Who is Brian? and what has he got to do with you being two faced?

[Doppleganger]

AAAAaaand .. it's looking more and more like hagar is right ...

According to no doubt very credible sources :lol:
Fairfax, Hager and stuff......all very credible :killingme

[Katman]

According to no doubt very credible sources :lol:
Fairfax, Hager and stuff......all very credible :killingme

And how much credibility does the NZDF's code of silence offer their side of the story?

[Doppleganger]

And how much credibility does the NZDF's code of silence offer their side of the story?

Why not pop along and work alongside them popit and see for yourself aye

or are you happy to let others get their hands dirty on your behalf :weird:

[T.W.R]

Apparently... so is your wife.


Who is Brian? and what has he got to do with you being two faced?

It's a side effect from the wife's baking
Schizophrenia ;)

[Katman]

or are you happy to let others get their hands dirty on your behalf :weird:

They certainly weren't over in Afghanistan on my behalf.

[pritch]

They certainly weren't over in Afghanistan on my behalf.

Sorry, the government that we elected sent them on our behalf. Doesn't matter who you voted for, or even if you didn't vote. They were elected to be our representatives and they sent troops on our behalf. Whether we like it or not, but then it is said that we get the government we deserve.

[Doppleganger]

They certainly weren't over in Afghanistan on my behalf.

You're quite a precious wee thing aye.

If it wasn't for these men and women acting on 'your behalf' you wouldn't have the freedoms you have the pleasure of enjoying now popit.

[Katman]

Sorry, the government that we elected sent them on our behalf.

The government sent them because they were sucking American cock.

They weren't sent on my behalf.

[Maha]

It's a side effect from the wife's baking
Schizophrenia ;)

In it's liquid form, he drinks that by the MUG full.

[T.W.R]

In it's liquid form, he drinks that by the MUG full.

and muffins :yes:

[scumdog]

you realise that that wanker is just one of the patched blue-vest gang? unlikely the cunt's been srsly under fire, and certainly never in anything approaching a fair exchange of lead?


Gosh, you seem to know so much about my past...:eek5:

[scumdog]

The Pink Paradise looms for this thread....

[Ocean1]

And even if he has, I'm sure he thoroughly deserved it.

I reckon he'll see more evidence of crime before lunchtime than you've seen since you shat yellow.

But you go ahead with the whining and shit, I'm sure there's someone who appreciates your profesional insight.









:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Berries]

To be fair, the Rosebank Lodge can be a war zone at times.

[scumdog]

To be fair, the Rosebank Lodge can be a war zone at times.


So you're one of the Rosie troublemakers huh?:lol:

[Banditbandit]

You're quite a precious wee thing aye.

If it wasn't for these men and women acting on 'your behalf' you wouldn't have the freedoms you have the pleasure of enjoying now popit.


BULLSHIT. When did Afghanistan ever endanger our freedom? Huh .. Huh ...? NEVER - that's when

[Doppleganger]

BULLSHIT. When did Afghanistan ever endanger our freedom? Huh .. Huh ...? NEVER - that's when

Jeees :weird::stupid: some people will never get it :brick:
You crack on cup cake make sure your latte doesn't get cold.

[pritch]

BULLSHIT. When did Afghanistan ever endanger our freedom? Huh .. Huh ...? NEVER - that's when

Umm the Teleban didn't as far as I recall, although Al Qaeda may have eventually worked their way down their list to us. Al Qaeda were using Afghanistan as a base until the Yanks pursuaded them it would be safer to move to Pakistan as part of 'the war on terror'.

Iraq is a different story, they weren't threatening anybody. That was a George Bush Jr brain fart that happened to make his VP billions of dollars.

[Katman]

.....although Al Qaeda may have eventually worked their way down their list to us.

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[awayatc]

The government sent them because they were sucking American cock.

.

Expert opinion?

Good to hear somebody talking about a subject they know something about......

First one in this post I believe

[caspernz]

Expert opinion?

Good to hear somebody talking about a subject they know something about......

First one in this post I believe

Ouch!

I'm truly amazed this thread is still at large...pink hell is well overdue one would think.

There's no doubt something lingering in the background, but to me the main focus is Nicky Hager and election year. This to me consigns the topic to yawn territory. The reality of a war zone, whether it be peace keeping or pushing enemy forces out of occupied territory, is not something a civilian can comprehend. But yeah, keyboard warriors know better...:rolleyes::brick::innocent::facepalm::shu tup:

[Katman]

The reality of a war zone, whether it be peace keeping or pushing enemy forces out of occupied territory, is not something a civilian can comprehend.

Really?

What about the civilians caught up in that war zone?

I wonder if they can comprehend how easily you're able to consign this issue to 'yawn territory'.

[Doppleganger]

Really?

What about the civilians caught up in that war zone?

I wonder if they are able to comprehend how easily you can consign this issue to 'yawn territory'

OMG, he's saying these things out loud, are you aware other people can read what your saying!?
You dont have to repeat what the voices in your head are saying...........it make you look stupid......

[Katman]

OMG, he's saying these things out loud, are you aware other people can read what your saying!?
You dont have to repeat what the voices in your head are saying...........it make you look stupid......

Sometimes there just isn't an extreme ironing image that's extreme enough.

:facepalm:

[awayatc]

Really?

What about the civilians caught up in that war zone?

'.

Civilians are always caught in a war zone....

They are the only victims.

In any war.

Soldiers fight....that's their job.
They have weaponry/ transport/Intel etc and are thus best equiped to survive.
They probably even try to win.....

Civilians are always in both firing lines

[sidecar bob]

Civilians are always caught in a war zone....

They are the only victims.

In any war.

Soldiers fight....that's their job.
They have weaponry/ transport/Intel etc and are thus best equiped to survive.
They probably even try to win.....

Civilians are always in both firing lines

Clearly the answer then is to join an army to increase your chances?

[Akzle]

Gosh, you seem to know so much about my past...:eek5:

well don't keep us all in suspense popit. qualify yourself.

[oldrider]

The only time war is ever legitimate is in defence against an invader! - unfortunately the invader is usually financed by the same bank as is the defender!

Common denominator = the bankers - solution? - nip war in the bud - take back control of the banks! ...... "All Wars are Bankers Wars"

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I will always support those who defend our country and our people. :niceone: Thank you!

[T.W.R]

Historically there's never been any form of peace in Afghanistan and there never will be, warring tribal factions have been going at it for a millennia.
No matter what foreign powers try to impose in the area it'll always end-up back at square again.

The next drama will be if China implement their current idea of a super railway between them & Europe tracing through the remnants of the Silk Road trading corridors; that'll stir a whole hornets nest up in the area :yes:

[pritch]

The only time war is ever legitimate is in defence against an invader! - unfortunately the invader is usually financed by the same bank as is the defender!


The Iron Bank? :innocent:

And I believe the correct spelling of the new in-word is poppet.

[pritch]

The reality of a war zone, whether it be peace keeping or pushing enemy forces out of occupied territory, is not something a civilian can comprehend.

There are the odd one or two on KB who were not always civilians, there was a US Marine who had served in Lebanon IIRC. Another young bloke left KB to sail away with the grey funnel line. There are others.

[scumdog]

well don't keep us all in suspense popit. qualify yourself.

Do I need to? Really?...:bleh::rolleyes:

[Hinny]

You're quite a precious wee thing aye.

If it wasn't for these men and women acting on 'your behalf' you wouldn't have the freedoms you have the pleasure of enjoying now popit.

Ridiculously naive comment.
Brain-washing on display. Read the Herald do you?
I'm reminded of the lyric from Bob Dylan's 'Idiot Wind'
'You're an idiot ....
It's a wonder that you even know how to breathe'.

[Katman]

Ridiculously naive comment.


We're getting used to them from him.

[Doppleganger]

:rolleyes: looks like there are more out there among us, just hope they're not breeding :no:

[Hinny]

We're getting used to them from him.


I guess we should be grateful he's on KB because without Stupid people we would have no one to laugh at.

[Doppleganger]

Looks like two are going to start breeding ;)

[trufflebutter]

It's a wonder that you even know how to breathe'.

The technique is in out in out in out and so on, just like some forms of fucking. Not as difficult as you may suspect :corn:

[Hinny]

The technique is in out in out in out and so on, just like some forms of fucking. Not as difficult as you may suspect :corn:

Like some forms?
I'd be interested in discussing other forms which don't include a bit of the old in out.

[Katman]

The technique is in out in out in out and so on, just like some forms of fucking. Not as difficult as you may suspect :corn:

Does Anne know you're using a 30 year old photo of her as your avatar?

[Hinny]

Historically there's never been any form of peace in Afghanistan and there never will be, warring tribal factions have been going at it for a millennia.
No matter what foreign powers try to impose in the area it'll always end-up back at square again.

The next drama will be if China implement their current idea of a super railway between them & Europe tracing through the remnants of the Silk Road trading corridors; that'll stir a whole hornets nest up in the area :yes:
There is no denying that the troubles in Afghanistan since 1979 have been as a result of USA meddling.
There was relative peace before that and the country was it seems a hundred years ahead of what it has become it terms of society.
Another example of the Yanks and Poms fucking up a country and its people to advance their own agendas for the enrichment of themselves.
Hopefully they won't push to bring them into conflict with China over the railway.

[TheDemonLord]

There is no denying that the troubles in Afghanistan since 1979 have been as a result of USA meddling.
There was relative peace before that and the country was it seems a hundred years ahead of what it has become it terms of society.
Another example of the Yanks and Poms fucking up a country and its people to advance their own agendas for the enrichment of themselves.
Hopefully they won't push to bring them into conflict with China over the railway.

And of course, Russia had absolutely no hand in it whatsoever...

[pritch]

A highly recommended book on the situation in Afghanistan is "No Good Men Among The Living". I found it an eye opener and just lately I see it's being quoted in major US papers. For the conspiracy theorists there's even an allegation of NZ involvement in what would be a war crime. I bought the Kindle version but the dead tree version should be available. It really is an eye opener.

[Katman]

A highly recommended book on the situation in Afghanistan is "No Good Men Among The Living".

So is Nicky Hager's "Other People's Wars".

[T.W.R]

There is no denying that the troubles in Afghanistan since 1979 have been as a result of USA meddling.
There was relative peace before that and the country was it seems a hundred years ahead of what it has become it terms of society.
Another example of the Yanks and Poms fucking up a country and its people to advance their own agendas for the enrichment of themselves.
Hopefully they won't push to bring them into conflict with China over the railway.

:facepalm: goes a lot further back than 79 :laugh: try back to the actual days of the silk road & Marco Polo and even through to the days of Alexander the Great or the original Frankincense traders. Geographically the area is the perfect traders corridor between east & west and the inhabitants have always been fighting for the dominance of the trading routes. Anything the Yanks or Russians have done is only a small splash in time by comparison.
As for the traits of a peaceful society :laugh: they change their agenda faster than the weather, the regional tribes have always been at each others throats for one reason or another and if two conspired against another one day the following day could easily see a total reversal of that the next :yes:

[pritch]

So is Nicky Hager's "Other People's Wars".

Yeah nah! :whistle:

[Katman]

Yeah nah! :whistle:

Not Mills & Boon enough for you?

[pritch]

Not Mills & Boon enough for you?

Nah. It's not recommended. 'No Good Men Among The Living' is. Simple.

[Katman]

Nah. It's not recommended.

I recommend it.

[scumdog]

So is Nicky Hager's "Other People's Wars".


As written by Enid Blyton...

[awayatc]

So is Nicky Hager's "Other People's Wars".


only books about war worth reading are autobiographies.....


and of course "the art of war" by mr Sunshine sue

[pritch]

I recommend it.

I'm sure Mr Hager will be grateful for your recommendation. Sadly though it doesn't quite have the weight of a recommendation by say the Washington Post.

[awayatc]

Not Kat fighting are we....?

[Hinny]

And of course, Russia had absolutely no hand in it whatsoever...

Russia's involvement in Syria is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan.
The US involvement is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan. - Funding terrorists to try to engineer the overthrow of a democratically elected government.
That is their modus operandi - which is currently being executed in many countries around the world.

[pritch]

Russia's involvement in Syria is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan.
The US involvement is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan. - Funding terrorists to try to engineer the overthrow of a democratically elected government.
That is their modus operandi - which is currently being executed in many countries around the world.

Ummm OK Assad was "elected" but I'm not sure if you could fairly say it was always democratic.

[Hinny]

:facepalm: goes a lot further back than 79 :laugh: try back to the actual days of the silk road & Marco Polo and even through to the days of Alexander the Great or the original Frankincense traders. Geographically the area is the perfect traders corridor between east & west and the inhabitants have always been fighting for the dominance of the trading routes. Anything the Yanks or Russians have done is only a small splash in time by comparison.
As for the traits of a peaceful society :laugh: they change their agenda faster than the weather, the regional tribes have always been at each others throats for one reason or another and if two conspired against another one day the following day could easily see a total reversal of that the next :yes:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/BP-Brown/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Hinny https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/BP-Brown/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1131061028#post1131061028)
There is no denying that the troubles in Afghanistan since 1979 have been as a result of USA meddling.

There was relative peace before that and the country was it seems a hundred years ahead of what it has become it terms of society.
Another example of the Yanks and Poms fucking up a country and its people to advance their own agendas for the enrichment of themselves.

[Hinny]

Ummm OK Assad was "elected" but I'm not sure if you could fairly say it was always democratic.

The UN observers declared that it was.
Do you have any reason to doubt them?
Assad is very popular.
Perhaps not quite as popular as Qadaffi.
He would have had to be the most popular leader in the world.
With one days notice 1 million people, 1/6th of the entire population, were out on the streets marching in support of him when the Yanks and the Poms were trying to get rid of him.
As usual it was American and British interests that prevailed and his country, the richest country in Africa with the highest Human Capital Index in Africa, was plunged into anarchy. Libya used to be the poorest country in the world. It could be headed back there.
That action, alongside their other actions on the African continent and in the Middle East, have also plunged Europe into turmoil and led to the Brexit vote.

[TheDemonLord]

Russia's involvement in Syria is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan.
The US involvement is a rerun of their involvement in Afghanistan. - Funding terrorists to try to engineer the overthrow of a democratically elected government.
That is their modus operandi - which is currently being executed in many countries around the world.

And of course - the USSR never funded or armed revolutionary movements in order to overthrow democratically elected Governments....

[TheDemonLord]

have also plunged Europe into turmoil and led to the Brexit vote.

Brexit was more than just about Immigration - it was about a higher principle of the accountability of a ruling body to those it is empowered to rule over.

[trufflebutter]

Does Anne know you're using a 30 year old photo of her as your avatar?

:corn: I just googled 'creepy whiny little fuck face' and this was what was offered up.

[Katman]

In case anyone is interested in following the inquiry.....

https://operationburnham.inquiry.govt.nz/news/latest-updates/

[Banditbandit]

And it's getting very messy - and what looks like arse-covering exercise by the Defense people ..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115849101/sas-commander-says-he-wrongly-dismissed-possible-civilian-casualties-due-to-misunderstood-acronym

[Banditbandit]

In case anyone is interested in following the inquiry.....

https://operationburnham.inquiry.govt.nz/news/latest-updates/

Of course they are not interested - the truth may ruin their preconceptions .

[pritch]

I haven't seen much on TV but what I did see was about the level of, "The dog ate my homework".

[husaberg]

I haven't seen much on TV but what I did see was about the level of, "The dog ate my homework".
Only the dog was also crying wolf.



JUNE 20, 2019 10:00AM BY DAVID FARRAR
The villagers lied
Jon Stephenson writes at Stuff:

Two insurgent commanders hunted by the New Zealand SAS have admitted they were present in a village raided during Operation Burnham.
In the first public account of the insurgents’ movements, they have contradicted some of the locals’ claims about the 2010 raid, in which six civilians were killed and 15 injured. The raid is the subject of a current Government inquiry sparked by the book Hit & Run.
In interviews with Stuff, both Qari Miraj and Maulawi Naimatullah admitted to being in or around the village of Naik during the night raid, which was led by the SAS with US and Afghan allies. …

Miraj and Naimatullah’s admissions contradict the accounts of numerous residents from the village of Khak Khuday Dad, a few hundred metres from Naik. Those villagers have maintained for years that there were no insurgents in either their village or Naik when Operation Burnham took place.
Miraj told Stuff that he, Naimatullah and two of their bodyguards had been at Naik for “two nights and one day” and that “everybody knew that”.
“Everybody [in Naik and Khak Khuday Dad] knew that I was there because I was going to Naik village. I was going five times a day to pray in the mosque, and everybody knew that Qari Miraj and [one of his bodyguards] Maulawi Abdul Khaliq were guests at the house of Maulawi Naimatullah.”

This is a stunning revelation. Kudos to Jon Stephenson for reporting this new testimony, even though it contradicts a key claim in the book he co-authored with Nicky Hager.
It says something that it turns out the insurgents may be more truthful than the villagers!

Note a very concerned Katspm never noted this at all.
Ones sounds like a mistake, the other is an outright lie.

he also misses out that the authors none of whom ever visited the village as it was too dangerous to go there as it was "unfriendly" also got quite a few other things wrong

However, NZDF head Lt. Gen. Tim Keating has confirmed NZSAS has never been to the villages in question, and he says the two journalists got their facts wrong, confusing an event at those villages with an NZSAS operation further south.
That operation, codenamed “Burnham”, may have caused civilian casualties said Keating after a misfire on a US Apache helicopter gunship, but those killed are not those named in Hager’s book, nor were they intentionally targeted as Hager and Stephenson alleged, nor did they die at the hands of NZ troops. Whoever killed Fatima and the five others, it wasn’t New Zealand or anything to do with this country in any way, and it didn’t happen on Operation Burnham.
26 Mar, 2017 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11825960

[Banditbandit]

"The SIS has been told to apologise to investigative journalist Nicky Hager for unlawfully acquiring months of call logs from his phone."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400707/sis-told-to-apologise-to-nicky-hager?fbclid=IwAR3ruS_27wVooGOG5zaQjQ6V9VBFwtDlD71 QG7GVMg1v_YfkANkH-JoAPr0

[Laava]

Lol, easy to do in retrospect!

[husaberg]

"The SIS has been told to apologise to investigative journalist Nicky Hager for unlawfully acquiring months of call logs from his phone."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400707/sis-told-to-apologise-to-nicky-hager?fbclid=IwAR3ruS_27wVooGOG5zaQjQ6V9VBFwtDlD71 QG7GVMg1v_YfkANkH-JoAPr0

the word i read was should. Which they did

I have been unable to find that the service showed the kind of caution I consider proper, for an intelligence agency in a free and democratic society, about launching any investigation into a journalist's sources," she said.

She said the SIS should apologise to Hager.

It's different that must or shall. Also the report fails to acknowledge that Hagger's innocent villagers were despite haggers repeated claims sheltering a insurgent.

[Banditbandit]

It's different that must or shall. Also the report fails to acknowledge that Hagger's innocent villagers were despite haggers repeated claims sheltering a insurgent.

That bit's not that clear ..

The way I read it is that the rebel was in the neighbouring village - which was pretty damn close ..

[husaberg]

That bit's not that clear ..

The way I read it is that the rebel was in the neighbouring village - which was pretty damn close ..

it also should be noted that neither Hager or Stephson ever went to the village which they wrongly identified in the book depite saying it was impossible that they could have and even Hager admits the villiigers lied to him about the presence of insurgents and armed people in the village.