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jamiestreet
16th September 2014, 11:55
Hi,

Can a qualified mechanic please give me a rough estimate for the total labour hours involved in doing this? Bear in mind the bike was stripped to a state in which fairings were off, tank wasn't bolted on, and spark plug leads were exposed.

http://imgur.com/2sdgYjm

Cheers

sidecar bob
16th September 2014, 12:14
Obviously you or someone else that knows fuck all has touched something they knew absolutely nothing about & messed things up entirely. You are at the mercy of anyone stupid enough to get involved in your self created problem & whatever they charge to disentangle your balls up.
I will not take on that kind of work, as the further you get in to the job, the more retardation you discover & the punter is unwilling to accept the cost usually because they have no money to start with & thats why they attempted home repairs themselves in the first place.
And yep, I meet your requirments of being a qualified mechanic with the added bonus of running my own garage for over twenty years.
The invoice is a cracking read & the work was executed in a thouroughly understandable & methodical order though.

unstuck
16th September 2014, 12:19
How long is a piece of string? Depends how fast he worked and what he had for lunch. :niceone:

Bikemad
16th September 2014, 12:20
no one can answer your question coz you haven't said how many hours you were charged that i can see.......

unstuck
16th September 2014, 12:22
usually because they have no money to start with & thats why they attempted home repairs themselves in the first place.
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Agree with everything but this Bob.
Some of us just like the challenge and can usually manage a fairly decent job. It helps having a shitload of quality tools as well. :2thumbsup

jamiestreet
16th September 2014, 12:37
Obviously you or someone else that knows fuck all has touched something they knew absolutely nothing about & messed things up entirely. You are at the mercy of anyone stupid enough to get involved in your self created problem & whatever they charge to disentangle your balls up.
I will not take on that kind of work, as the further you get in to the job, the more retardation you discover & the punter is unwilling to accept the cost usually because they have no money to start with & thats why they attempted home repairs themselves in the first place.
And yep, I meet your requirments of being a qualified mechanic with the added bonus of running my own garage for over twenty years.
The invoice is a cracking read & the work was executed in a thouroughly understandable & methodical order though.

Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home before I took it to the shop. Someone that has made one simple mistake (no matter how terrible it ended up being) shouldn't deserve the description of knowing 'fuck all' and 'knowing absolutely nothing about'.

I'm just looking for an estimate at how long this would usually take a qualified mechanic to do. With just the one (terrible) mistake made, we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing. I told the shop before bringing it in that the problem must lie in the timing / engine top end as everything else (fuel, air, spark etc.) was all in good order. Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

nodrog
16th September 2014, 12:42
47 mins + smoko

nodrog
16th September 2014, 12:46
Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home before I took it to the shop. Someone that has made one simple mistake (no matter how terrible it ended up being) shouldn't deserve the description of knowing 'fuck all' and 'knowing absolutely nothing about'.

I'm just looking for an estimate at how long this would usually take a qualified mechanic to do. With just the one (terrible) mistake made, we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing. I told the shop before bringing it in that the problem must lie in the timing / engine top end as everything else (fuel, air, spark etc.) was all in good order. Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

Maybe he shouldn't have drunk the beers before he finished.

Madness
16th September 2014, 12:48
Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home... we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing... Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

So the engine got royally fucked in 3 hours? Excellent effort! :facepalm:

Just pay the bill.

sidecar bob
16th September 2014, 13:47
Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home before I took it to the shop. Someone that has made one simple mistake (no matter how terrible it ended up being) shouldn't deserve the description of knowing 'fuck all' and 'knowing absolutely nothing about'.

I'm just looking for an estimate at how long this would usually take a qualified mechanic to do. With just the one (terrible) mistake made, we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing. I told the shop before bringing it in that the problem must lie in the timing / engine top end as everything else (fuel, air, spark etc.) was all in good order. Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

You have to admit that clearly my round up of them knowing fuck all isint too far off the mark though.
Reality is that it looks like essentially you just tipped the parts in the top of the engine & bolted the lid on.
Nothing was laid out or marked up, but hey, being a mechanic is a piece of piss, obviously any halfwit can do it.
Bags not use your qualified bike mechanic, it wasnt one simple mistake, it was an absolute cluster fuck by the looks of it.

imdying
16th September 2014, 13:49
7.5-10 hours (i.e. 1 - 1-1/2 days) seems fair.

Personally, I hate following up somebodies fuck ups; would much rather start with something that ran beforehand. Saves me having to double check every damn thing rather than just working on the original problem. Just think how small the bill would have been if the poor mechanic didn't have to do that.

You'll think that is too high, but that's because you don't know what you're doing. I originally would have thought a day longer, but they haven't replaced the valves... and even that depends on who fixes measures/inspects and then fixes the head itself.

Virago
16th September 2014, 14:00
Labour hours for work done. Is this right?

Is what right? You haven't told us how many hours you were charged for.

It sounds like you have wrecked your own motor, then asked someone else to diagnose the problem from scratch. It was your money that you wasted.

Jantar
16th September 2014, 15:27
OK, not a qualified mechanic but I do my own work on my DR650, and leave the GSX1250 to the real mechanics to work on. For that job to that point I would give myself 8 - 10 hours. Maybe a qualified mechanic could do it faster, but I suspect he would take the same length of time and do a better job.

My experience is that you can have a good job, a quick job, or an inexpensive job. Choose a maximum of two of those three, because you will never get all three. It appears you chose none of the above.

Trade_nancy
16th September 2014, 15:32
I would have used a GO TO END - done the compression test FIRST. Saved all the other work.

sidecar bob
16th September 2014, 15:38
I would have used a GO TO END - done the compression test FIRST. Saved all the other work.

Nono, read post #6 again, he told the mechanic it must be a timing issue, thefore helping the mechanic & saving himself valuable labour.

HenryDorsetCase
16th September 2014, 15:57
clearly you are being ripped off. 15psi in a cylinder is plenty.

jellywrestler
16th September 2014, 17:02
Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home before I took it to the shop. Someone that has made one simple mistake (no matter how terrible it ended up being) shouldn't deserve the description of knowing 'fuck all' and 'knowing absolutely nothing about'.

I'm just looking for an estimate at how long this would usually take a qualified mechanic to do. With just the one (terrible) mistake made, we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing. I told the shop before bringing it in that the problem must lie in the timing / engine top end as everything else (fuel, air, spark etc.) was all in good order. Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

they're a qualified mechanic, you paid good money for them to do the job. one of the reasons the chargeout rates are what they are is for warranty. why is'nt your qualified mechanic who made one simple mistake (followed by the other simple mistake of turning it over by hand and not finding a tight spot which would indicate that something is a miss and needing rechecking before applying starter motor and making another simple mistake....) sorting this for you?

mossy1200
16th September 2014, 17:28
I used to fix appliances. Turn up with a incorrectly assembled washing machine and its going to take 3 times as long as a repair to ensure its safe to turn it on and test to see what was the original fault.

Lets be honest you already had it in your head a bike shop was going to rip you off and that's why you got Greggs cousins mates ex wifes new husband to destroy your engine for 2 dozen beers.

sidecar bob
16th September 2014, 17:36
The first thing i drum into all my apprentices is that any fuckwit can do 95 percent of the job, all we have to teach you is the 5 percent that lays to waste the first 95 percent.

nodrog
16th September 2014, 17:46
P.S. Welcome to KB.

Paul in NZ
16th September 2014, 17:56
Zounds - sounds a mess... The real question is where to from here?

If you are lucky a few bent valves if not - well - more... Maybe theres more though. What were you originally trying to achieve? ie why did you pull the head in the first place???

Big Dog
16th September 2014, 18:01
The first thing i drum into all my apprentices is that any fuckwit can do 95 percent of the job, all we have to teach you is the 5 percent that lays to waste the first 95 percent.

Egg Zachary why my bikes go into the shop for anything internal. If you can see it without draining the oil is a good rule of thumb for is it worth a crack. Then season with are you happy to replace it if you fuck it up.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Kickaha
16th September 2014, 19:41
I would have used a GO TO END - done the compression test FIRST. Saved all the other work.
Same, as soon as I had checked spark

Nono, read post #6 again, he told the mechanic it must be a timing issue, thefore helping the mechanic & saving himself valuable labour.
Would you believe a customer who told you that?

sidecar bob
16th September 2014, 19:59
Same, as soon as I had checked spark

Would you believe a customer who told you that?

I listen to what they are telling me, not what they are saying, all I would have heard there is "we've fucked with it & fucked it up"

AllanB
16th September 2014, 20:04
Day and a half for me to do it - I like to clean everything on the way :niceone:



PS - give ya $30 for your bike.......

carburator
16th September 2014, 21:28
Thank you for your input. Work was carried out by a qualified motorcycle mechanic at my home before I took it to the shop. Someone that has made one simple mistake (no matter how terrible it ended up being) shouldn't deserve the description of knowing 'fuck all' and 'knowing absolutely nothing about'.

I'm just looking for an estimate at how long this would usually take a qualified mechanic to do. With just the one (terrible) mistake made, we managed to do it in just under three hours which included taking the head off and re-installing. I told the shop before bringing it in that the problem must lie in the timing / engine top end as everything else (fuel, air, spark etc.) was all in good order. Just looking for an estimate, not a rant about how stupid we are. Cheers.

How on earth can you fuck up intake and exhaust cams, they are MARKED intake and exhaust for fuggs sake.. and WHY on earth was your QUALIFIED
mechanic in there in the first place..
The timing marks are on the HEAD for fuggs sake...

take it up the ass and suck it up, you both fucked up and deserve what you have, a lump of shit..

ducatilover
16th September 2014, 21:56
That list is a solid days work
It'll certainly have bent valves by now, I would say a tooth on a sprocket is 12 degrees on one of them and that is enough to fuck valves, let alone with the wrong cams in.
Some Kawasakis have an I and E stamped in to the cam gears, which is why I always mark the bastards

Why was the head off in the first place?

AllanB
16th September 2014, 22:00
Why was the head off in the first place?

It needed a oil change ..............

Erelyes
16th September 2014, 22:11
I bet it went something like this

Fuel/Spark OK - concerned frown (hmm, something's a bit odd here)
Cam timing incorrect - niggling feeling of dread (oh no... don't tell me)
Cams fitted to incorrect sides - double bloody facepalm (FUCKS SAKES I HATE THESE ONES)

Madness
16th September 2014, 22:12
And they say I'm a mean, twisted cunt. I am, clearly, but you cunts are being nothing short of big old nasty meany-pants.


Keep it up.

ducatilover
16th September 2014, 22:28
It needed a oil change ..............

I do it the normal way, spark plugs out, upside down and a big rag under it. Takes a few days, but that usually meand by the time I pour it back in (fuckin hard upside down) I should have the oil filter compressed enough to fit down the crank breather.

unstuck
17th September 2014, 05:56
Aint it fun messing around with other peoples fuck ups. My nephew tried changing his own tie rod ends on his nissan terrano last week, the only tools he had were a big hammer and a cresent. It arrives here on a trailer today.:brick:
Yesterday I had another fella bring in a chinese 150cc scooter that he has tried to change the drive belt on:eek:, usually such an easy job. Now he needs a new variator and sidecover and kicklever.:facepalm:

sidecar bob
17th September 2014, 08:07
Id guess the head came off to give it a home brand port job.

Fast Eddie
17th September 2014, 17:36
hahahaha, this is going to be a great story for smoko tomorrow!

call your qualified mechanic mate "sexy fingers".. as it seems what he touches he fucks!

edit: you're to your.. cause I should know betterer

jamiestreet
23rd October 2014, 20:46
Hi, not sure if anyone is too interested in this but regardless I'll quickly update on what happened.

Basically, the workshop got it wrong. There was zero damage to the engine itself. We had the shafts in right the first time. They swapped them over and did whatnot and the bike didn't start. Me and my mate put them back how we had them, took apart the whole motor down to the pistons and back together again (just to make 100% sure we knew what we were dealing with) and the bike started right up.

The workshop also did not reinstall the chain tensioner properly, along with leaving bolts torqued to wrong levels and some not even done in finger tight. The bike is now running, no thanks to the workshop, and I'm $600 out for a shitty job from a 'qualified workshop' who didn't know what they were doing.

Thanks for your help.

Madness
23rd October 2014, 20:49
Hi, not sure if anyone is too interested in this but regardless I'll quickly update on what happened.

Basically, the workshop got it wrong. There was zero damage to the engine itself. We had the shafts in right the first time. They swapped them over and did whatnot and the bike didn't start. Me and my mate put them back how we had them, took apart the whole motor down to the pistons and back together again (just to make 100% sure we knew what we were dealing with) and the bike started right up.

The workshop also did not reinstall the chain tensioner properly, along with leaving bolts torqued to wrong levels and some not even done in finger tight. The bike is now running, no thanks to the workshop, and I'm $600 out for a shitty job from a 'qualified workshop' who didn't know what they were doing.

Thanks for all the negativity in this thread though, even being told to 'take it up the ass and suck it up' among other things.
I saw no reason for such extreme negativity and it has left me with a slightly more negative outlook on this forum unfortunately.

Suck my cock?

Katman
23rd October 2014, 21:03
Fuck it, beaten by 15 mins.

IkieBikie
23rd October 2014, 21:05
Suck my cock?


Fuck it, beaten by 15 mins.

So neither of you are man enough to say OK you were right!!!

get over your ego's

hayd3n
23rd October 2014, 21:06
sounds like you got $600 lucky ,

i paid near on 3 for a total rebuild of my ol yzf gearbox ( had to split cases etc ) then 6 months later i wrote it off with 3rd party insurance , however it did make me quit smoking lol

jamiestreet
23rd October 2014, 21:07
sould like you got $600 lucky , i paid near on 3 for a total rebuild of my ol yzf gearbox ( had to split cases etc ) then 6 months later i wrote it off with 3rd party insurance , however it did make me quit smoking lol

I'll take it as a learning experience! Gotta look on the bright side.

Madness
23rd October 2014, 21:12
So neither of you are man enough to say OK you were right!!!

get over your ego's

Lick my balls?

hayd3n
23rd October 2014, 21:13
I'll take it as a learning experience! Gotta look on the bright side.

hell yea , next time you do any work take your time , dont rush nuffing

IkieBikie
23rd October 2014, 21:13
Lick my balls?

If you cant admit someone was right you havent got any

Madness
23rd October 2014, 21:19
If you cant admit someone was right you havent got any

Actually sweetcheeks I'd say the OP has proven himself wrong (see post 6). I don't need an apology, by the way, but a titty pic would be nice?

jamiestreet
23rd October 2014, 21:27
Actually sweetcheeks I'd say the OP has proven himself wrong (see post 6). I don't need an apology, by the way, but a titty pic would be nice?

How exactly have I proven myself wrong? Genuinely curious.

IkieBikie
23rd October 2014, 21:32
Actually sweetcheeks I'd say the OP has proven himself wrong (see post 6). I don't need an apology, by the way, but a titty pic would be nice?


How exactly have I proven myself wrong? Genuinely curious.


Actually tosser
So am I
but whoever you are you certainly have the right name . Are you related to Akzle

Madness
23rd October 2014, 21:36
Actually tosser
So am I
but whoever you are you certainly have the right name . Are you related to Akzle

Flattery will get you nowhere. Fuck this place has become full of dumb, whiney little bitches. Even Ed was more entertaining.

Katman
23rd October 2014, 21:41
So neither of you are man enough to say OK you were right!!!



We're always right.

Tazz
23rd October 2014, 21:47
Flattery will get you nowhere. Fuck this place has become full of dumb, whiney little bitches. Even Ed was more entertaining.

Your dumb whiney posts don't help.


304458

IkieBikie
23rd October 2014, 21:48
Flattery will get you nowhere. Fuck this place has become full of dumb, whiney little bitches. Even Ed was more entertaining.

It actually became dumb 13th March 2006

And from your comments in this thread you call me a whiney bitch???????

At least Ed was understandable and had some reasoning with his comments

IkieBikie
23rd October 2014, 21:49
We're always right.

Now that I can laugh at - far more adult than that madness tosser:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Madness
23rd October 2014, 21:54
At least Ed was understandable and had some reasoning with his comments

See, there you go. I give you the benefit of miniscule doubt and you just go and prove yourself to be an utter fucktard. I haven't received that titty shot yet either. A bit flat, huh? Maybe you're just waiting for Murray to go to bed...

IkieBikie
24th October 2014, 07:32
See, there you go. I give you the benefit of miniscule doubt and you just go and prove yourself to be an utter fucktard. I haven't received that titty shot yet either. A bit flat, huh? Maybe you're just waiting for Murray to go to bed...

So you give me red rep and call me a dyke.

What a whiney bastard

ducatilover
24th October 2014, 08:13
One would not expect that proper mechanics would fuck it up like that... it's not like they're a hard bike to work on either :no: You can't time them right by switching the cams, it'd be fucking obvious they were out
Glad you got it sorted.

Madness is sexy.