ssHd? who has.

[Akzle]

i'm considering things. many things.
i like the idea of having "my computer" installed on portable media. and i tend to thrash things. so solid state technology looks the shiz.
so my thinking is USB3.0 /esata connectable portable storage. preferable self powered (2.5", ie)
my current running OS is only 27gb, and it's not exactly a lightweight install... so i could trim some weight, it just feels very, very odd, to buy a disk with "only" 128gb...

so i'd like, if anyone knows anything, some IRL feedbacks on hybrid - sshd, drives, compared to pure SSD, compared, even, to a 32b flash dongle..(i see a 128gb usb3 dong is about teh same price as an SSD....)
techs?

[bogan]

Just get a proper SSD you pleb. I looked into mobo with hybrid drive tech (as opposed to a drive doing the same like an sshd) but even 3 years ago and with 256gig it made more sense to go with an SSD. Iirc, long story short was all the caching writes to the SSD part were detrimental to its expected lifetime and didn't speed it up that much anyway.

[Imagineering]

I am presuming you are not talking Laptop, If so stop reading here.

If you have the room, Use an SSHD for your OS and fit a large SATA Dive for Data, Programs etc.
That way you will have a blindingly fast Bootup time and relatively quick File access as all the major work of File finding & File access is done on the SSHD.

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[Akzle]

Just get a proper SSD you pleb. I looked into mobo with hybrid drive tech (as opposed to a drive doing the same like an sshd) but even 3 years ago and with 256gig it made more sense to go with an SSD. Iirc, long story short was all the caching writes to the SSD part were detrimental to its expected lifetime and didn't speed it up that much anyway.
yes, but to go back to the original, how does SSD compare to flash drive or SSHD?
i am going to be hdparming the fuck out of it. apparently keeping them overprovisioned and <50GB/day and you get >10,000cycles out of each sector. anyway, that wasn't really my question.

I am presuming you are not talking Laptop, If so stop reading here.

If you have the room, Use an SSHD for your OS and fit a large SATA Dive for Data, Programs etc.
That way you will have a blindingly fast Bootup time and relatively quick File access as all the major work of File finding & File access is done on the SSHD.

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i am talking everything. ie, i carry my PC on media, and plug it into anyshit (multiarch FTW) boot, and i am in MY pc.
if it was for a static rig, and i gave a fuck about how much coffee i drink while booting, then yeah, i'd go that way. but, in that situ, what would be the advantage of ssHd, since most of the write goes on the mech disk?

[bogan]

yes, but to go back to the original, how does SSD compare to flash drive or SSHD?
i am going to be hdparming the fuck out of it. apparently keeping them overprovisioned and <50GB/day and you get >10,000cycles out of each sector. anyway, that wasn't really my question.

Then google some test results, you fucking shitty.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ssd+sshd+mechanical+drive+speed+test

[TheDemonLord]

SSD are Sex for your PC - Boot times are massively increased

I have a 60Gb boot drive for my OS only - and then 2 normal HDDs in RAID-0 for my games

at some point when I get visited by the magical money fairy I intend to get 2 128 Gb SSDs for my Raid Array

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am presuming you are not talking Laptop, If so stop reading here.

If you have the room, Use an SSHD for your OS and fit a large SATA Dive for Data, Programs etc.
That way you will have a blindingly fast Bootup time and relatively quick File access as all the major work of File finding & File access is done on the SSHD.

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I just got a quote for a new PC for work and that is the setup they have recommended.

[bogan]

Just an FYI, SSD != SSHD, the H stands for hybrid halfassery and uses a small solid state drive to cache from the mechanical drive.

The TLDR of it is:

OS/programs/games -> SSD
Movies/TV/music/stored media -> HDD
No point in a -> SSHD

As far as I'm aware all SSDs will be SATA3, and HDDs SATA2 is enough anyway.

[Akzle]

Then google some test results, you fucking shitty.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ssd+sshd+mechanical+drive+speed+test

i've searched shit, which has got me to the point of asking the question. again: if you re-read (or, actually read in the first place) the OP.
i want IRL shit, from KBers. not benchmark write cached fucken testy magij faggotry.
gtfo my thread.

[bogan]

i've searched shit, which has got me to the point of asking the question. again: if you re-read (or, actually read in the first place) the OP.
i want IRL shit, from KBers. not benchmark write cached fucken testy magij faggotry.
gtfo my thread.

And KB has answered, nobody uses SSHD cos they are shit compared to SSD.
As evidenced by the plurality of benchmarks showing this.
gtfo my internet, plebby.

[TheDemonLord]

Just an FYI, SSD != SSHD, the H stands for hybrid halfassery and uses a small solid state drive to cache from the mechanical drive.

The TLDR of it is:

OS/programs/games -> SSD
Movies/TV/music/stored media -> HDD
No point in a -> SSHD

As far as I'm aware all SSDs will be SATA3, and HDDs SATA2 is enough anyway.

I am well aware of this - Azkle - Stop being a bitch and get an SSD - and don't pansy around with SSHDs

[bogan]

I am well aware of this

Yeh that was directed at Imagineering and HDC, whose tastes run to the classic, so might not be aware that SSHD does not stand for solid state hard drive...

[Akzle]

I am well aware of this - Azkle - Stop being a bitch and get an SSD - and don't pansy around with SSHDs

roger that.

but whats the advantage over usb3.0 flash drive?

[TheDemonLord]

roger that.

but whats the advantage over usb3.0 flash drive?

Okay - various things:

Assuming here you want to use the USB drive as your OS drive:

1: unless you have an internal USB port - you run a big risk of munting your OS drive if you accidentally remove the USB stick (drunken IT Master)
2: not sure if this is the case with USB3, but a Sata controller generally has good access to CPU, RAM etc. on your Mobo, not sure if your USB controller will have the same
3: SSDs use Flash chips that are designed for higher Read/Write - Flash has a limited number of times it can read/write from memory and USB Dongles, this is lower than SSD (details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling)
4: If you have a super 1337 system like me that has HDD cooling - your poor widdle USB dongle won't get any 120 mm fan goodness.
5: If you want to run any form of RAID on a Flash drive you have to do software RAID (Eugh!) as opposed to Hardware RAID

In short - stop being a cheapskate - get a SSD, watch your E-Penis grow a couple of inches and then bathe in the glory of near insta-boot

[Gremlin]

Haven't used the hybrid drives, but used SSDs a fair bit. Also used SLC SSDs for cache to HDD.

Starting to put regular MLC SSDs into desktops now, for business. Data is stored on the servers, and end user PCs normally never need more than 100GB for an OS (unless they have iTunes and plugging in their fucken iPhones which then backup). Don't forget to look up the optimisation guides for SSD setup, to keep the SSD performing well. Base setup of Win7 will turn the SSD into a pile of crud in due course due to defrag/system restore points/indexing etc. Remove hibernation, no need when an SSD is that fast, and it gives you back some space etc.

Love SSDs in my laptop, boot is fantastic. If you need large storage space then stick to HDD. 128GB SSDs are now around the $100 mark (depending on spec obviously).

USB flash drives are still volatile (inc USB3), wouldn't trust them much more than temporary storage.

[Akzle]

Base setup of Win7 will turn the SSD into a pile of crud in due course due to defrag/system restore points/indexing etc. Remove hibernation, no need when an SSD is that fast, and it gives you back some space etc.

hahahahhahhhhahhahahahahahahhahahahhhh


ax running windows

defrag and shit. lol. fuck that shit.
i wouldn't be hibernating a (basically) live system anyway....if i did it would be to swap space on a mech.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just an FYI, SSD != SSHD, the H stands for hybrid halfassery and uses a small solid state drive to cache from the mechanical drive.

The TLDR of it is:

OS/programs/games -> SSD
Movies/TV/music/stored media -> HDD
No point in a -> SSHD

As far as I'm aware all SSDs will be SATA3, and HDDs SATA2 is enough anyway.

I have zero clue about (or interest really) in this stuff. the line items ays "1 HDD ADATA SP310 SATA3 mSATA128GB" at $116.00 plus GST.

[Akzle]

oh yeah..... i have 7 ide drives and 4 sata that i want to raid... is there a PCIe for that?

[Gremlin]

Throw your IDE in the bin :laugh:

[Akzle]

Throw your IDE in the bin :laugh:

giz TBs .

[Gremlin]

giz TBs .
I must actually get around to flicking off my 4 Seagate 1TB. My boss proved there is quite the market, he was selling off some 500GB and one guy bought like 20, just using them for mess volumes etc.

Raid performance would be shite when you have drives of varying performance etc.

[Akzle]

I must actually get around to flicking off my 4 Seagate 1TB. My boss proved there is quite the market, he was selling off some 500GB and one guy bought like 20, just using them for mess volumes etc.

Raid performance would be shite when you have drives of varying performance etc.

gives not the fuck. jbod. i have more PCI slots than IDE ones.

five buck and a bag o chips.

[bogan]

I have zero clue about (or interest really) in this stuff. the line items ays "1 HDD ADATA SP310 SATA3 mSATA128GB" at $116.00 plus GST.

Yeh that's an SSD which fits into your motherboard, as opposed to the more common SSD which fits into a 2.5in slot (giggidy).


4: If you have a super 1337 system like me that has HDD cooling - your poor widdle USB dongle won't get any 120 mm fan goodness.

Pretty sure front mount 120mm fans aren't there to cool the hard drives these days :blink:

[bogan]

I must actually get around to flicking off my 4 Seagate 1TB. My boss proved there is quite the market, he was selling off some 500GB and one guy bought like 20, just using them for mess volumes etc.

Raid performance would be shite when you have drives of varying performance etc.

How much you want for all four? I still got 8 spare slots on my main comp and a few others that could use some extra storage too.

[TheDemonLord]

Pretty sure front mount 120mm fans aren't there to cool the hard drives these days :blink:

Heh.

This is my case:

Case (http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=146&area=en)

As you can see, there is a dedicated 120mm front fan behind the Duct, behind the HDD bay to keep my GPU cool (GPU (http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7406/Toxic3qtr_678x452.jpg) if you are interested) and there is also a dedicated 120mm fan to keep my HDDs cool (and believe me, when the HDD by is full, they do get quite cozy)

at some point I will get round to watercooling my CPU, Mobo and possibly my GPU (although I like the orange Toxic cooler - it looks smexy)

[bogan]

Heh.

This is my case:

Case (http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=146&area=en)

As you can see, there is a dedicated 120mm front fan behind the Duct, behind the HDD bay to keep my GPU cool (GPU (http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7406/Toxic3qtr_678x452.jpg) if you are interested) and there is also a dedicated 120mm fan to keep my HDDs cool (and believe me, when the HDD by is full, they do get quite cozy)

at some point I will get round to watercooling my CPU, Mobo and possibly my GPU (although I like the orange Toxic cooler - it looks smexy)

Hmmm, perhaps this 'show us your pc build' should be a new thread. I won't start it yet cos I'm still waiting for PC parts to get anodised and lasered but you should. Your case looks kinda old and plebby by today's standards though :bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

Hmmm, perhaps this 'show us your pc build' should be a new thread. I won't start it yet cos I'm still waiting for PC parts to get anodised and lasered but you should. Your case looks kinda old and plebby by today's standards though :bleh:

The case is a bit old - but trust me, it is the greatest case to work on/in - so much room AND the motherboard tray pulls right out and the 6+ fans means it is quite and cool.

[bogan]

The case is a bit old - but trust me, it is the greatest case to work on/in - so much room AND the motherboard tray pulls right out and the 6+ fans means it is quite and cool.

I dunno, I'm not seeing much cable routing options, radiator options, sound deadening, fan filters, and is it even a positive pressure case? Is that open mesh top exhaust too? dusty...

Not sure why you would want a pull out mobo tray either, should be plenty of room to work in the large style cases.

The graphics card support seems like a nice touch, is that compatible with the newer stuff though or have they gone different sizes?

[TheDemonLord]

I dunno, I'm not seeing much cable routing options, radiator options, sound deadening, fan filters, and is it even a positive pressure case? Is that open mesh top exhaust too? dusty...

Not sure why you would want a pull out mobo tray either, should be plenty of room to work in the large style cases.

The graphics card support seems like a nice touch, is that compatible with the newer stuff though or have they gone different sizes?

Cabling routing - there is space behind the Mobo Tray - very easy to route cables (although to get a really tidy case, you will need long cables
Has rad mounting options on the back (at some point will get round to watercooling)
Sound deadening - will admit, it isn't as quiet as some cases, but this isn't an issue for me
Fan filters - there is space, but I never bother with them - about once every 6 months to a year, I pull the fans out and clean them
Positive pressure - definately
the 2 exhaust fans on the top are the greatest thing since sliced bread for keeping your PC cool - had my old i7 running at 4.1 Ghz for a while....

as for pulling the mobo tray - there are times when this is oh so usefull - you wouldn't think so, but its one of those things that you don't know how usefull it is till you try it.

GPU sizing is still fairly standard - only the card length that isn't, but I have yet to find a card that won't fit comfortably in my case

[bogan]

Cabling routing - there is space behind the Mobo Tray - very easy to route cables (although to get a really tidy case, you will need long cables
Has rad mounting options on the back (at some point will get round to watercooling)
Sound deadening - will admit, it isn't as quiet as some cases, but this isn't an issue for me
Fan filters - there is space, but I never bother with them - about once every 6 months to a year, I pull the fans out and clean them
Positive pressure - definately
the 2 exhaust fans on the top are the greatest thing since sliced bread for keeping your PC cool - had my old i7 running at 4.1 Ghz for a while....

as for pulling the mobo tray - there are times when this is oh so usefull - you wouldn't think so, but its one of those things that you don't know how usefull it is till you try it.

GPU sizing is still fairly standard - only the card length that isn't, but I have yet to find a card that won't fit comfortably in my case

Are there intakes on the doors then? Seeing more exhaust than intake fans is all. The little rubber grommets are great for tidy cable routing, as is a large space behind the mobo. No top or front rads though? Sound and dust are my main two buying points, had a cm silencio but the top vent and front intake (though filtered) still allowed more dust in than I would like. I7 in that ran at 4.4on air, current one is doing a moist 4.6 no worries.

I remain unconvinced, to pull it don't you have to disconnect expansion cards and cables?

Yeh that's what I mean, how does the gpu support system deal with the varying length?

[Akzle]

i'll just bring the tone down a bit.
PC2700, ddr2, 333mhz laptop ram. 2x 1 or 2gb sticks, someone must have a draw full somewhere. and an turion ML40 (2.2) CPU

and, less important, ddr2 633mhz laptop ram, 2x 2b.