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[Postie]

Police chase ends in shopping mall crash

13.09.05 11.25am

A police chase this morning ended in a three-car crash in a Christchurch shopping mall leaving six people injured, four of them seriously.

Christchurch police central communications said a police car had been in pursuit of a vehicle when the crash happened.

A St John's Ambulance spokesman told National Radio that paramedics were attending six patients at the scene -- four were seriously injured and three were still trapped in their vehicles.

The crash happened outside the Eastgate Mall just before 10am.



so do you think they were just window shopping?

[Sniper]

So thats where all the cars were racing to

[MSTRS]

So thats where all the cars were racing to
No doubt they'd all heard the Spring Sales were on. Dangerous things, those sales. Best to go afterhours eh?

[Wolf]

No doubt they'd all heard the Spring Sales were on. Dangerous things, those sales. Best to go afterhours eh?
Don't forget to wear gloves, though. Balaclava might be an idea these days, too, Security cameras are so cheap now...

[froggyfrenchman]

shades of the blues brothers eh?

[Lou Girardin]

shades of the blues brothers eh?

Keystone cops.

[madboy]

A timely reminder why a runner isn't always on. I just hope everyone walks away... eventually.

I'm a little surprised that we haven't had the postings slamming one or other party involved in this yet... a lack of understanding of the facts never seemed to stop this sorta thing before???

[SpeedyGirl]

I wondered why I couldn't get to the shops!!! :violin:

[Lou Girardin]

They reported 9 injured, including a mother and her baby. I hope these were heavily armed, drug crazed murderers that were being chased through congested city streets, past a shopping mall, by an unmarked Police car.

[Sniper]

4 Youths who didn't want to stop Lou. And no it wasn't the cops fault, these dicks put everyone else in danger by running. Its on their heads

[Indoo]

You didn't have to wait too long, good old dependable Lou comes to the rescue.

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]They reported 9 injured, including a mother and her baby. I hope these were heavily armed, drug crazed murderers that were being chased through congested city streets, past a shopping mall, by an unmarked Police car.

Actually Lou from what I've seen they weren't being chased at all. A Police car pulled the offending vehicle over as they wanted to speak to a passenger in it who was breaching his bail. The cops got out to chat to him and the vehicle took off shortly thereafter crashing. The cops didn't even have time to get into a pursuit before it crashed.

But hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good old Police bash.

[Lou Girardin]

You didn't have to wait too long, good old dependable Lou comes to the rescue.



Actually Lou from what I've seen they weren't being chased at all. A Police car pulled the offending vehicle over as they wanted to speak to a passenger in it who was breaching his bail. The cops got out to chat to him and the vehicle took off shortly thereafter crashing. The cops didn't even have time to get into a pursuit before it crashed.

But hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good old Police bash.

So why did witnesses say the cop car was involved in the accident, let alone the chase?
Why did one cop say the patrol car took off after the offenders, leaving one cop behind?
Good old reliable Indoo, leaps to the defence. :whistle:

[**R1**]

You didn't have to wait too long, good old dependable Lou comes to the rescue.



Actually Lou from what I've seen they weren't being chased at all. A Police car pulled the offending vehicle over as they wanted to speak to a passenger in it who was breaching his bail. The cops got out to chat to him and the vehicle took off shortly thereafter crashing. The cops didn't even have time to get into a pursuit before it crashed.

But hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good old Police bash.Did you even watch the news??? 3 witneses said the coppers were right behind them, and couldnt understand why they didnt give up chase when the hit the heavy trafic..I wasnt there and didnt see it happen so i cant say for sure what happened, but come on!!! 3 people on the news all said the same thing.

[madboy]

Just read the latest Stuff story, seems one of the passengers in the offending car died overnight. The Police were not chasing the vehicle, they were just following. Quite how you "follow" a car travelling at a reported 100km/h in a what I guess is a 50 zone without "chasing" is unclear to me, but I'm sure the semantics will be explained by the Police in good time.

Story reads like a bunch of dumbarses were baiting the cops, pulling doughnuts in front of the unit that stopped them. Not that a death is ever a good outcome, but perhaps in this case a quality member of society has not been lost?? Who knows.

[Indoo]

Did you even watch the news??? 3 witneses said the coppers were right behind them, and couldnt understand why they didnt give up chase when the hit the heavy trafic...

Yep obviously we watch different channels, did you bother to read the papers as well? I find it pathetic that the media and certain idiots on here instantly jump up without knowing jack shit and cast judgement blaming the Police whenever there is a chase. Its always the Polices fault never the poor criminal who was just forced to run and crash his car into innocent bystanders...


"Peter Shearman watched the pursuit as the police chased the vehicle from Pages Road along Buckleys Road.

It was amazing to see the occupants of the vehicles walk out, although they were covered in blood, Shearman said.

"If the cops had pulled out earlier way back, it wouldn't have made any difference because these guys were going for it. Nobody touched him; he just lost it," Shearman said...........

Andrew Pritchard, who just avoided the smash, said he was surprised the accident was not worse.

"Both the cars (the white Pontiac and the Subaru) sort of leapt up in the air and spun around," he said.

"There wasn't as much blood and guts as I thought there was going to be. There was a baby from the Subaru which had a bit of blood on its head, but it appeared to be all right," he said.

A bystander said people could not believe what they were seeing.

"The police car appeared to be a reasonable distance back. Those idiots in the white car obviously couldn't give a stuff," he said.

Inspector Gary Knowles, of the Christchurch police, said criminal, serious-crash unit and Police Complaints Authority investigations had been launched.

"We weren't chasing the car. The vehicle was stopped by police earlier, and it took off," he said.

"It was not a close pursuit. My understanding from initial witnesses is the police car was some distance from it."

Police appeared to have acted according to "protocols", but communications tapes were being analysed to check everything was done properly.. ...

[Qkchk]

One of the young guys in the car being chased died today.

[Sniper]

Yep, we heard. Shouldn't have run.

[Lou Girardin]

No one has blamed the cops yet, that I can tell. But I, for one, get sick of the "we weren't chasing it, just following" line.
I'd have thought that crap was thoroughly discredited after the cops were found to have lied about the bike v car fatal at Whangarei.
Luckily the right person died, but what if it had been the mother and baby?
Is a ticket for doing doughnuts worth that?

[**R1**]

Yep obviously we watch different channels, did you bother to read the papers as well? I find it pathetic that the media and certain idiots on here instantly jump up without knowing jack shit and cast judgement blaming the Police whenever there is a chase. Its always the Polices fault never the poor criminal who was just forced to run and crash his car into innocent bystanders...


"Peter Shearman watched the pursuit as the police chased the vehicle from Pages Road along Buckleys Road.

It was amazing to see the occupants of the vehicles walk out, although they were covered in blood, Shearman said.

"If the cops had pulled out earlier way back, it wouldn't have made any difference because these guys were going for it. Nobody touched him; he just lost it," Shearman said...........

Andrew Pritchard, who just avoided the smash, said he was surprised the accident was not worse.

"Both the cars (the white Pontiac and the Subaru) sort of leapt up in the air and spun around," he said.

"There wasn't as much blood and guts as I thought there was going to be. There was a baby from the Subaru which had a bit of blood on its head, but it appeared to be all right," he said.

A bystander said people could not believe what they were seeing.

"The police car appeared to be a reasonable distance back. Those idiots in the white car obviously couldn't give a stuff," he said.

Inspector Gary Knowles, of the Christchurch police, said criminal, serious-crash unit and Police Complaints Authority investigations had been launched.

"We weren't chasing the car. The vehicle was stopped by police earlier, and it took off," he said.

"It was not a close pursuit. My understanding from initial witnesses is the police car was some distance from it."

Police appeared to have acted according to "protocols", but communications tapes were being analysed to check everything was done properly.. ...your reading what the coppers said aint ya?, im dam sure if i was a copper telling the events i would talk it down as well...

look dude i realy couldnt give a shit, but i have seen the coppers chase some one to very near death for no better reason than to give him a speeding ticket ...and like i said i wasnt there, and yes there is always 2 differnt sides to every story....YOU WIN, looser.

[**R1**]

Yep, we heard. Shouldn't have run.Self presivation will make ya do funny things Sniper........i run coz i have 90 demerit points, if i loose my licence i loose my job simple answer is i shouldnt do things on my bike that cause me to get in2 strife wif the coppers, but people do strange things we all know smoking, and drinking is bad for us but yet there are still those that choose to do it. same with me, u have meet me im sure you would agree im not a total fukwit, but i love riding my bike the way i want to ride and where. it just so happens that its illegal and i dont want to face the consequences, i will if i have to, but if i can get away i will........Im not condoning what the coppers or the runners did but the guys that ran may have commited a crime that they would do time for, now i know if i was a young punk lookng at time id do anthing to get away...just my thoughts

[Sniper]

I see where you are coming from. The funny thing for me is even though I have 90 demerits like you and my job also rests on the license, my bike isn't even remotly capable of running from a Class Gold Pursuit officer. If I had an R1 though, that might be a different story :devil2:

Like you said, everyone disagrees with someone elses point of veiw. And nah, don't worry, there is no way I would think of you as a fuckwit mate. You ride like a fucken demon and you are cool as ice on top of it too. :niceone:

[Indoo]

your reading what the coppers said aint ya?, im dam sure if i was a copper telling the events i would talk it down as well....

Actually it was what the witnesses said.


look dude i realy couldnt give a shit, but i have seen the coppers chase some one to very near death for no better reason than to give him a speeding ticket ....

What kind of complete and utter moron would do a runner to 'very near death' just to avoid a speeding ticket? Its not the Polices fault that he considers his life to be less important than a fine, its evolution in progress nothing more.

[**R1**]

Actually it was what the witnesses said.



What kind of complete and utter moron would do a runner to 'very near death' just to avoid a speeding ticket? Its not the Polices fault that he considers his life to be less important than a fine, its evolution in progress nothing more.I said u win..........we have different opinions...NOW FUCK OFF your like a little dog....let go, move on. wooosaaaa


let me know when you have finnished ya training lil piggy...

[Indoo]

You and Winja really would make a beautiful couple. He might be a bit intellectual for you but I'm sure your physical attraction would overcome that.

[Ixion]

Occurs to me that, of course, we only hear about the runners that go wrong. Maybe there's heaps of people doing it and getting away with it. They're not likely to be fool enough to boast about it, and the police will keep silent.

Dunno. Seems particulary pointless on both sides in this instance, since the police already knew who they were.

[Lou Girardin]

Too true Ixion. I'd love to know the numbers of pursuits now, compared to 10 years ago.
It'd be very enlightening.

[madboy]

Occurs to me that, of course, we only hear about the runners that go wrong. Maybe there's heaps of people doing it and getting away with it. They're not likely to be fool enough to boast about it, and the police will keep silent.The difference between Aaron and me, and others both on this site and off, is that we're quite open about our attitudes toward it. There's a lotta people who share our attitude, they just keep their mouths shut. You won't see me posting any details about times, dates and locations.

It's always funny to hear the bollocks some people spout (no, not having a crack at anyone in particular). You get spud and scumdog et al saying "oh, some get away but we catch most". Guess that must put me in the upper echelons of runners, cos I've been caught three times for running (incl cars & bikes), and charged only twice. I can assure you, 3 out of mumble mumble are bloody good odds in my book. And then you get those tossers who say "you can't outrun the radio". Give me a break - how does a radio stop a bike doing 250k? You need to have a car/bike/cop attached to that radio in the right place at the right time to be of any use. Mostly they're not.

If I had stopped every time, I'd have bought the Highway Patrol by now. I won't pretend I like getting busted, particularly not for a decent runner attempt, that'd be expensive. But spread it over the last 50 times I did a runner and got away with it? It's economically viable.

So bring on the red bling for my "irresponsible attitude"... tell me I'm gonna kill someone... If I cared what you thought, I'd lie to you and say I never do 'em.

[madboy]

Yep obviously we watch different channels, did you bother to read the papers as well? I find it pathetic that the media and certain idiots on here instantly jump up without knowing jack shit and cast judgement blaming the Police whenever there is a chase. Its always the Polices fault never the poor criminal who was just forced to run and crash his car into innocent bystanders...


"Peter Shearman watched the pursuit as the police chased the vehicle from Pages Road along Buckleys Road.
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"If the cops had pulled out earlier way back, it wouldn't have made any difference because these guys were going for it. Nobody touched him; he just lost it," Shearman said...........
Umm... so were the pigs chasing or not? The TV3 footage I saw said the cops were chasing. You're explanation here said they were chasing. So I guess we agree that they were chasing?

Distance between cop and offender is irrelevant. A "friend" of mine had occasion to open it up on a HP unit, and when said friend checked their mirrors after 20sec or so of solid acceleration (speedo getting near 250ish by now), there were still flashing headlights in the background - admittedly hundreds of metres back. Was that a pursuit or not? But you don't think the bike just eased back to the 70km/h speed limit and continued on their merry way just cos the cop was almost outta sight?

[**R1**]

The difference between Aaron and me, and others both on this site and off, is that we're quite open about our attitudes toward it. There's a lotta people who share our attitude, they just keep their mouths shut. You won't see me posting any details about times, dates and locations.

It's always funny to hear the bollocks some people spout (no, not having a crack at anyone in particular). You get spud and scumdog et al saying "oh, some get away but we catch most". Guess that must put me in the upper echelons of runners, cos I've been caught three times for running (incl cars & bikes), and charged only twice. I can assure you, 3 out of mumble mumble are bloody good odds in my book. And then you get those tossers who say "you can't outrun the radio". Give me a break - how does a radio stop a bike doing 250k? You need to have a car/bike/cop attached to that radio in the right place at the right time to be of any use. Mostly they're not.

If I had stopped every time, I'd have bought the Highway Patrol by now. I won't pretend I like getting busted, particularly not for a decent runner attempt, that'd be expensive. But spread it over the last 50 times I did a runner and got away with it? It's economically viable.

So bring on the red bling for my "irresponsible attitude"... tell me I'm gonna kill someone... If I cared what you thought, I'd lie to you and say I never do 'em.Well put....each to there own aye, Madboy, Winga, myself and about 10 other bikers i know, do it...its just the way it is the rest are all goody goods, its a topic that will always be heated and there is (IMO) no right or wrong Im not a complete plonka i know its wrong(legaly speaking), dangerous for others and my self but im a bike riding addict, i cant stop riding the way i do, just like Indoo could be in2 kiddy porn, he knows its wrong but he's an addict. we all have our weeknesses some worse than others, if the coppers think casing someone to death is justified and the country agrees then so be it, I personaly would like to see kiddy fiddlers decapitated, but unfortunatly the majority dosent agree...

[Indoo]

I'd have thought that crap was thoroughly discredited after the cops were found to have lied about the bike v car fatal at Whangarei.


Im guessing you mean the Erin Burgess crash where some idiot biker plowed into her car while trying to do a runner (would never happen to Madboy or R1 Aaaron of course).

I'm not sure where you get your info that there was a coverup, given that just on the news tonight they stated that a third investigation into it backing up a previous coroners inquest and another one had all cleared the Police of lieing and covering up the facts.

[Jackrat]

No one has blamed the cops yet, that I can tell. But I, for one, get sick of the "we weren't chasing it, just following" line.
I'd have thought that crap was thoroughly discredited after the cops were found to have lied about the bike v car fatal at Whangarei.
Luckily the right person died, but what if it had been the mother and baby?
Is a ticket for doing doughnuts worth that?

Nice one Lou,the 15 year old boy that was a passenger in the car would probably really like to know he was the right one to die.
Guess you/Mr perfect never made a mistake huh.

[Lou Girardin]

Im guessing you mean the Erin Burgess crash where some idiot biker plowed into her car while trying to do a runner (would never happen to Madboy or R1 Aaaron of course).

I'm not sure where you get your info that there was a coverup, given that just on the news tonight they stated that a third investigation into it backing up a previous coroners inquest and another one had all cleared the Police of lieing and covering up the facts.

The coroner found, and the Police admitted, that they did not pull out of the chase.

PS Having just read the report, I have to say, take off your cop biased glasses Indoo, the report in itself was a whitewash by the the Police Can't do wrong Authority.
Apparently the Police "badly managed the pursuit'. "There was no cover up". "There''s no evidence that the accident wouldn't have happened if he wasn't being chased".
Weasel words from an impotent ex-Judge who's fed bullshit by cops who investigate themselves. He hasn't even got independant investigative resources.
I'll believe the coroner thanks.

[Lou Girardin]

Nice one Lou,the 15 year old boy that was a passenger in the car would probably really like to know he was the right one to die.
Guess you/Mr perfect never made a mistake huh.

Never ran from the cops and killed someone.
This wasn't a mistake anymore than Steven Wallaces killing was a mistake.

[madboy]

Im guessing you mean the Erin Burgess crash where some idiot biker plowed into her car while trying to do a runner (would never happen to Madboy or R1 Aaaron of course).Well at least we agree on something.

[Jackrat]

Never ran from the cops and killed someone.
This wasn't a mistake anymore than Steven Wallaces killing was a mistake.
FFS you must be the most two faced bugger in this place.
An ex snake that craps on the police at every chance,plus craps on the victims as well.I look forward to your comments about salesmen once you fuck up your latest gig.
Will be interesting to see which face your wearing that day.

[Sniper]

FFS you must be the most two faced bugger in this place.
An ex snake that craps on the police at every chance,plus craps on the victims as well.I look forward to your comments about salesmen once you fuck up your latest gig.
Will be interesting to see which face your wearing that day.
Hear Hear :niceone:

[Lou Girardin]

Opinions can change as knowledge and experience increase. Or you can just spend your life with your head stuck firmly up your arse and pretend all is fine.

[Pathos]

Even if the police had stopped the youths would probably kept going for another couple of minutes to make sure they put some distance between them and the cops.

[spudchucka]

So why did witnesses say the cop car was involved in the accident, let alone the chase?It had dents on it. It was obviously involved in the crash.

Why did one cop say the patrol car took off after the offenders, leaving one cop behind?They pull the car over, a cop gets out to speak to a person in the car, the car then fucks off and the patrol car follows leaving the cop on foot twiddling his thumbs.

What would you prefer cops do when a driver shoots the gap after being stopped?

Good old reliable Indoo, leaps to the defence. :whistle:Good old reliable Lou, leaps on any lame opportunity to score points against police officers. :wacko:

[spudchucka]

Is a ticket for doing doughnuts worth that?
And you are how certain that is all it was over?

[spudchucka]

You and Winja really would make a beautiful couple. He might be a bit intellectual for you but I'm sure your physical attraction would overcome that.
Ignore list works wonders!

[spudchucka]

The coroner found, and the Police admitted, that they did not pull out of the chase.

PS Having just read the report, I have to say, take off your cop biased glasses Indoo, the report in itself was a whitewash by the the Police Can't do wrong Authority.
Apparently the Police "badly managed the pursuit'. "There was no cover up". "There''s no evidence that the accident wouldn't have happened if he wasn't being chased".
Weasel words from an impotent ex-Judge who's fed bullshit by cops who investigate themselves. He hasn't even got independant investigative resources.
I'll believe the coroner thanks.
"take off your cop biased glasses Indoo"

Really? How can you rubish someones arguement by accusing them of being cop biased when you are so overtly anti cop biased? Your opinions are hardly balanced.

Ex Judges sitting on the "police cant do wrong autority" are impotent, speak weasel words and are fed on bullshit but the almighty Lou sees all, knows all, can never make a mistake and would never make a misleading statement. Oh no not Lou, the great saviour who protects us all from the evil satin, "Police".

You must either have your tounge in your cheek or your head up your arse. I'm reasonably sure I know which.

[spudchucka]

FFS you must be the most two faced bugger in this place.
An ex snake that craps on the police at every chance,plus craps on the victims as well.I look forward to your comments about salesmen once you fuck up your latest gig.
Will be interesting to see which face your wearing that day.
You're a legend Jackrat. Common sense always prevails and always reveals the truth.

Lou always reminds me of that song, "little miss can't be wrong".

[scumdog]

I read in the local rag that there seems to be a 'thing' where yoofs get their jollies by being chased by cops and bait them up to get chased - often more than once a night 'cos they know chases get called off more readily than a few months ago. (real heros playing with a loaded dice eh?).

Still get drop-kick losers saying "oh, I fought dat wen ya got over 150 the cops would stop chasing you".

I guess when you and/or your mates get killed you would have to admit you/your mates lost eh?

[Wolf]

But you see, the cops make the yoofs run. It's not the yoofs's's's's's fault. They are powerless and have no responsibility for their actions. There is something about the filth that has an effect on them forcing them to run against their wills.

And of course, the filth are evil for chasing them Anyone can see that the cops should just leave the yoofs to it - so what if the yoofs kill someone through dangerous driving, at least the cops didn't chase them, right?

FFS! If the cops don't do anything they get slammed for doing nothing about these "larrikins", if they try to stop them they get accused of inciting them to mischeif and get the blame for the retarded larrikin's actions.

What are they supposed to do? Do a Spiderman and carefully ensnare the car with their webslingers before it gets away? Yell "up up and away", take flight and use their Super Speed to catch up and lift the car off the road to a place of safety?

Sorry, all that crap only works in comics, In the real world, police are expected to stop the idiots as best they can lest they cause death or injury for their stupidity; in the real world the idiots choose to compound their stupidity by running; and in the real world sometimes people get hurt anyway.

What would people prefer, that the police just leave the idiots to drive dangerously? That way when someone dies we can all have a good bitch about "where were the fuckin' pigs, eh? Fuckin' lazy cunts stuffing their faces with doughnuts while that bastard wiped out a bus-load of preschoolers."

[madboy]

Gotta admit I agree that the cops need to chase... Hypocritical of me I know. But the fact is, if I knew they pulled out at X speed then I'd spend all day AT X speed knowing I'd never get ticketed - including while driving the cage! If there is no chance of getting caught, everybody will do it. Society needs at least some form of enforcement.

At least at the moment you've got to try to get away (most of the time anyway)... if they weren't gonna chase, what reason would there be to stop for them - ever?!