I need 2 cheapy dirt bikes and advice

[biketimus_prime]

Hi guys my friend and I want to get a dirt bike each so we can go to woodhill or other places.
Anyone got anything in Auckland? Looking to spend about $1500...

Otherwise we're thinking of getting two of these: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=815587180
Both of us are 85kgs and just under 6ft so not sure if it'd be too small for us. We're going to view them this weekend.
Anyone got one and recommend them? Or other options similarly priced?

Thanks in advance

[Akzle]

jesus no.

Do you know first aid?

[biketimus_prime]

Dude why tell me

[mossy1200]

They wont be much fun. Slow and fall apart at the first sign of a good size lump in the track with adult size rider.
You should be able find a couple of dr250s or even 350s. Maybe a tt350 or a xr.

[Mike.Gayner]

You can get a decent used bike for that cash that will outlive that thing 1,000x.

[biketimus_prime]

What about this video though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfWNabSUSc&list=UUB8vnwbpekQCihIr1dOlEcQ

Okay I'll look for those type of bikes you guys mentioned. Anything I should look out for? What kinda lifetime does the engine have

[unstuck]

As said they will not last any kind of decent riding. You want something that is going to last more than a couple of rides for that coin.:niceone:

[biketimus_prime]

Thanks for the advice though. I don't want to buy a shitter. Also for that price brand new I couldn't sell it for more than a few hundred after use I reckon

[unstuck]

Thanks for the advice though. I don't want to buy a shitter. Also for that price brand new I couldn't sell it for more than a few hundred after use I reckon

If there is anything left to sell. My 84 DR 200 is my favorite bike in the hills round here, I can thrash it and throw it around for days at a time, and it just keeps going. Dont care if it gets scratched and beaten around, It just gets another coat of power pylon paint when it gets too untidy.:Punk:

[Reckless]

What about this video though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfWNabSUSc&list=UUB8vnwbpekQCihIr1dOlEcQ

Okay I'll look for those type of bikes you guys mentioned. Anything I should look out for? What kinda lifetime does the engine have

Thats the Kids track at Harrisville and well groomed by the looks.
Not at all representative of whats on the main track or out woodhill.

Your far to big for those Forza's.
Another option is a old mx 125 for that budget. Cheap to re piston and fun as :)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-813632729.htm

If your a young fella you'll want to give the MX track a go and do jumps so something like this would be better and get you through the trees.
Not Ideal for technical woodhill knarly stuff but definitely ridable.
You'd eat the Mr Moto rides on it up here, do Ardmore and the main Harrisville track with its big jumps
I had one and a 2001 Cr250.

Depends if you want a MX thumper or a go for it bike.
A KDX200 would also be a great starter bike
Mint one here http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-811381301.htm but they are in your budget to.

Hope this helps

[george formby]

Are you looking to advance your skills? If so a well kept old 250 war horse, XR, XL, XT, TT, DR, KL, KLX ect will be just the ticket. It just needs to stop & go.
Usual rules apply, buy the most honest bikes & get help, if you need it, to decide.

Riding in the dirt is a whole new ball game & all bikes are capable of falling over. Get ones that don't mind to much.

If you decide you want something betterer in 6 months it won't be much of a hit financially to move them on unless you wreck them.

[biketimus_prime]

Thank you guys for the excellent advice. Another reason I want a cheapy is so I won't mind as much if I wreck it.
I do want to move on to gaining more technical skill and it's either this or bucket racing and there's an FXR150 on trademe that's tempting me right now...

If you all don't mind I'll post dirt bikes on here as I find them and take your advice whether it's good or not.

I don't want to do jumps and crazy motorcross stuff. I'm more keen on doing a long ride through the forest and enjoying the views as I go along etc. Seeing a part of the country I can't otherwise see.

Will a 2 stroke 125 be fine for 85kg me?

[biketimus_prime]

This? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-808983645.htm

Or this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-813680634.htm

I would prefer a yamaha as my fiancee's uncle can get parts for cheap I think as he is a marine mechanic.

Or this? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-811439896.htm

This seems like a goer: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-816256924.htm

Not willing to spend much more than that ^ to be honest

[nzspokes]

Thats the Kids track at Harrisville and well groomed by the looks.
Not at all representative of whats on the main track or out woodhill.

Your far to big for those Forza's.
Another option is a old mx 125 for that budget. Cheap to re piston and fun as :)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-813632729.htm

If your a young fella you'll want to give the MX track a go and do jumps so something like this would be better and get you through the trees.
Not Ideal for technical woodhill knarly stuff but definitely ridable.
You'd eat the Mr Moto rides on it up here, do Ardmore and the main Harrisville track with its big jumps
I had one and a 2001 Cr250.

Depends if you want a MX thumper or a go for it bike.
A KDX200 would also be a great starter bike
Mint one here http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-811381301.htm but they are in your budget to.

Hope this helps

KDX200 all the way. And you wont lose money when you sell it. I love mine. Im not riding it much but when I do it gives you a big smile. Enough grunt to get you over things but it doesnt want to kill you.

[unstuck]

I don't want to do jumps and crazy motorcross stuff.



I'm more keen on doing a long ride through the forest and enjoying the views as I go along etc. Seeing a part of the country I can't otherwise see.



Me neither, but sometime I just cant help myself.:devil2:

And that is the main reason I use mine, is for exploring and getting to the places I cannot reach in the 4x4.:niceone:

[unstuck]

I would go for the 88 xr250/200? personally, but each too their own. Not sure if that cr would be right for you either from what you have posted.:Punk::Punk:

[biketimus_prime]

I would go for the 88 xr250/200? personally, but each too their own. Not sure if that cr would be right for you either from what you have posted.:Punk::Punk:

I'm really tempted to get that Xr250r. Looks good and cheap. Seems like he's cared for it.

[unstuck]

Yeah, it looks like it has been looked after alright. And I think they are good bikes.
I missed out on a 1988 xr600 last night that was a real good deal, and that bummed me right out, cos I really want another.

[biketimus_prime]

Righto I messaged him. It'll be a good starter bike. I can get a bigger, better one later.

[mossy1200]

If you want to ride in the bush and have no interest in full mx buy the first xr if it checks out ok. Might get it for 1200
The cr if you want some express pace and some mx tracks.

[biketimus_prime]

If you want to ride in the bush and have no interest in full mx buy the first xr if it checks out ok. Might get it for 1200
The cr if you want some express pace and some mx tracks.

Yeah the XR would be preferable. Not after power or anything. Literally would take a scooter if it would haul my fat ass through the bush. I just want to get off road!

[nzspokes]

I started on a XR200, outgrew it pretty fast. 250 should be a bit better. It would tractor up anything though.

[george formby]

:shit:A 2t 2fiddly mx bike will be quite startling for a N00b and not much fun in tight stuff unless you can ride already.
Get a softer trail bike, KDX are great but not that common. XR's ect, fuck yeah. 2t's are more hilarious than 4t's, unless you go modern 450 & poo your pants.
An old school trail bike will take you on great adventures & teach great skills.

[grotto]

If you want a XR200 twin shock 1979 I'm selling mine.
Pretty original, dead reliable, nothing exciting, but you'll be able to ride it and sell it for about the same when you upgrade.
I've used it at Woodhill about 5 times in the last 10 years, sits in the garage the rest of the time. It's a Honda so it will go forever.
Had to upgrade as I was having difficulty keeping up with my son otherwise I'd keep.
See the online trading if you're interested.

Don't touch anything Chinese, you'll hate it, break it, and be lucky to get back 20% of what you paid.

[Lawrence]

I'm really tempted to get that Xr250r. Looks good and cheap. Seems like he's cared for it.

that XR250 you are looking at looks suss to me. It looks like an XR200 engine has been transplanted into it.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-808983645.htm

it should look like this

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=1988+xr250r&biw=1920&bih=920&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BdJ_VM3BBIbj8gWdkYHoDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=1988+xr250r+engine&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=GSENnbz8oeQIpM%253A%3BxQL8iNawwDwuBM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi534.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252F ee341%252Fawm-bucket%252F009.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.advrid er.com%252Fforums%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D575 476%3B1024%3B768

[nzspokes]

that XR250 you are looking at looks suss to me. It looks like an XR200 engine has been transplanted into it.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-808983645.htm

it should look like this

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=1988+xr250r&biw=1920&bih=920&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BdJ_VM3BBIbj8gWdkYHoDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=1988+xr250r+engine&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=GSENnbz8oeQIpM%253A%3BxQL8iNawwDwuBM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi534.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252F ee341%252Fawm-bucket%252F009.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.advrid er.com%252Fforums%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D575 476%3B1024%3B768

Now you say it yes I would agree that looks like a 200 to me. Just like my old one apart this one has the decomp cable missing.

[pete-blen]

that XR250 you are looking at looks suss to me. It looks like an XR200 engine has been transplanted into it.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-808983645.htm

it should look like this

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=1988+xr250r&biw=1920&bih=920&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BdJ_VM3BBIbj8gWdkYHoDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=1988+xr250r+engine&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=GSENnbz8oeQIpM%253A%3BxQL8iNawwDwuBM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi534.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252F ee341%252Fawm-bucket%252F009.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.advrid er.com%252Fforums%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D575 476%3B1024%3B768


well spotted.... XR 200 motor for sure....

how about a TTR250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/PositionTrack.aspx?pos=24&sn=0-0&sci=0&r=L21vdG9ycy9tb3RvcmJpa2VzL21vdG9yYmlrZXMvZGlydC1i aWtlcy9hdWN0aW9uLTgxNDkyNTA3Ni5odG0=

[oldskool]

that XR250 you are looking at looks suss to me. It looks like an XR200 engine has been transplanted into it.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-808983645.htm

it should look like this

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=1988+xr250r&biw=1920&bih=920&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BdJ_VM3BBIbj8gWdkYHoDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=1988+xr250r+engine&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=GSENnbz8oeQIpM%253A%3BxQL8iNawwDwuBM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi534.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252F ee341%252Fawm-bucket%252F009.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.advrid er.com%252Fforums%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D575 476%3B1024%3B768

Well spotted!

[unstuck]

Well spotted!

Well it does say it in the ad.:shifty:

[cheese]

KDx is good and if you're ok on a bike a 250 is good too. I think a 125 when you 85 kg is too flightly and you're always having o fang it.. you don't have to as much on a 250.

Just geta bike a go for it. Inspect all the suspension ponts fo excess play and try to budget for a piston at least.

And lastly, never ride alone. long walks to carparks are quite tedious.

[oldskool]

Well it does say it in the ad.:shifty:
True that, but in retrospect that wee inclusion in the specs but not in the write up is dodgy and borderline but yet legal I guess

[oldskool]

KDx is good and if you're ok on a bike a 250 is good too. I think a 125 when you 85 kg is too flightly and you're always having o fang it.. you don't have to as much on a 250.

Just geta bike a go for it. Inspect all the suspension ponts fo excess play and try to budget for a piston at least.

And lastly, never ride alone. long walks to carparks are quite tedious.

Good advice and to add, if you get into dirtriding it won't be your first bike so don't worry about getting the perfect bike first attempt!

[unstuck]

True that, but in retrospect that wee inclusion in the specs but not in the write up is dodgy and borderline but yet legal I guess

Even the 200 would be a good bike for a beginner in my opinion, they can still be a load of fun. I manage to keep up with my mates drz400 in the rougher stuff on my 200, but he pulls away on the smoother bits.
But I just have to be braver so he doesn't loose me altogether.:devil2:

[oldskool]

Even the 200 would be a good bike for a beginner in my opinion, they can still be a load of fun. I manage to keep up with my mates drz400 in the rougher stuff on my 200, but he pulls away on the smoother bits.
But I just have to be braver so he doesn't loose me altogether.:devil2:
Yes there is nothing wrong with the 200, it's just not as easy to wheely as the 250 is all.

[george formby]

But I just have to be braver so he doesn't loose me altogether.:devil2:

And that's why an old school trailie will make a good rider. You have to try harder.

[unstuck]

And that's why an old school trailie will make a good rider. You have to try harder.

My brother cant catch me on his 07 dr 200, so I must be braver than him as well considering my dr is 30 yrs old .:headbang::headbang:
I have an 07 dr 200 as well, but prefer to ride the oldie. Apart from the odd time I flood it and have to kick the shit out of the lever instead of just pushing the button.:lol:

[grotto]

Yes there is nothing wrong with the 200, it's just not as easy to wheely as the 250 is all.

better tell this guy.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQlPQYJRx1A

I wore out the can bearings on my first XR200 doing too many wheelies.
Could clutch it up in top gear on the road.
I always found it much harder on the 250's, but both were the twin shock models, may be a whole load different on the prolinks

[biketimus_prime]

Oh fuck...

I didn't read this thread until now because I was busy last night and had work today. I went to view the xr250r "200cc" and agreed to buy it... Deposited money and everything already. Bloody hell...

I don't mind though. It will be enough to hit the trails I reckon. I can barely ride it though. Too scared of falling off and it is too high up off the ground compared to my road bike and so much other stuff. Can't corner it properly etc. It honestly feels so weird to ride, I hope I can get used to it all.

Does anyone have another 200/250cc bike for my friend to buy around the 1500 mark?

Might even take the 250cc for myself and flick him this one as he has never even ridden a bike before.

Also if anyone has some riding pants size 36?

Also what other gear do you guys recommend? I will get an MX type of helmet as the road bike helmet will be too uncomfortable I reckon.

[nzspokes]

Oh fuck...

I didn't read this thread until now because I was busy last night and had work today. I went to view the xr250r "200cc" and agreed to buy it... Deposited money and everything already. Bloody hell...

I don't mind though. It will be enough to hit the trails I reckon. I can barely ride it though. Too scared of falling off and it is too high up off the ground compared to my road bike and so much other stuff. Can't corner it properly etc. It honestly feels so weird to ride, I hope I can get used to it all.

Does anyone have another 200/250cc bike for my friend to buy around the 1500 mark?

Might even take the 250cc for myself and flick him this one as he has never even ridden a bike before.

Also if anyone has some riding pants size 36?

Also what other gear do you guys recommend? I will get an MX type of helmet as the road bike helmet will be too uncomfortable I reckon.

It will be fine. Just ride it. Plenty of cheap lids at Cycletreads, think they have a trail bike sale. Make sure you get all matching gear. Apparently thats important.

[biketimus_prime]

Yeah I'm sure it'll be okay. Know any good places on the north shore to go riding?

Also I need boots. Size 10 if anyone has any for sale. Trying to do this all as cheaply as possible sooo you get the idea.

[nzspokes]

Yeah I'm sure it'll be okay. Know any good places on the north shore to go riding?

Also I need boots. Size 10 if anyone has any for sale. Trying to do this all as cheaply as possible sooo you get the idea.

Fly does some cheap ones. I have some and they are fine.

[biketimus_prime]

Fly does some cheap ones. I have some and they are fine.

Alrighty I'll check them out. Thanks for your help as always :)
Pretty excited to get out there!

Gotta pick up the bike tomorrow, I am attempting to put it on a regular box trailer with straps.

[Akzle]

Yeah I'm sure it'll be okay. Know any good places on the north shore to go riding?

Also I need boots. Size 10 if anyone has any for sale. Trying to do this all as cheaply as possible sooo you get the idea.

fucking aucklanders.

srsly. this shit is not socially acceptable, consider hanging yourself before you become a statistic..



i'll sell you a pair of size 11s, just trim them down and they'll be good az.

there is nowhere good in auckland, for anything, because it's a fucking stinking shithole full of fucking aucklanders.

bonus points if you kill more than 30 people jaffffas with your suicide.

[mossy1200]

I don't mind though. It will be enough to hit the trails I reckon.

Should be good. I had a xl185s and it was fun even without the prolink suspension.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=814766653 Possible 2nd bike

[unstuck]

Know any good places on the north shore to go riding?



Unfortunately I think those days are gone, when I was a young fella we had heaps of places around albany we could ride, or all the scrubby tracks between Glamorgan drive and Glenvar road. Even the motorway when it was being built was good once it got past sunset rd down past the shit ponds.
I know all this aint helping you though.
Part of the reason I left the place was because it was getting harder to find places to play, went to Pakiri for a while, but that is fucked now too I hear.:angry:

[biketimus_prime]

Expression of rage and offer of size 11 boots

I'll find out if my friend is size 11. How much are you after for them?


Should be good. I had a xl185s and it was fun even without the prolink suspension.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=814766653 Possible 2nd bike

I'd like another bike for the friend but in auckland. So many nice ones down south though.


Unfortunately I think those days are gone, when I was a young fella we had heaps of places around albany we could ride, or all the scrubby tracks between Glamorgan drive and Glenvar road. Even the motorway when it was being built was good once it got past sunset rd down past the shit ponds.
I know all this aint helping you though.
Part of the reason I left the place was because it was getting harder to find places to play, went to Pakiri for a while, but that is fucked now too I hear.:angry:

Yeah this area has developed so much in even the last 5 years it's kind of sad. The dream would be living in coatesville with some land one day when I buy my own house. Nearly done being a student so I can start saving mid next year!

[george formby]

Have a wee think about a weekend away, oop north. HERE (http://www.thefarm.co.nz/) prolly after the holidays is best, nay, vital. Let the kids get back to school. Accommodation is rough but it's a fantastic place to play. No doubt somebody there will give you some helpful pointers, too.

If you do, PM me and we may pop over if it's a Sunday. Been ages since I busted a bike there.

[pete-blen]

Fly does some cheap ones. I have some and they are fine.


I have a pair of size 9 fly stingers..worn once...
been trying parm them of for a couple of years but
no fuckers dumb enough to buy them...
wore them once..went and bought some good boots....

are you dumb enough ????

Ps.... I think I need to work on my sales pitch.....

Pss... did i say they are cheap...

Psss.. make a great Xmas pressy for someone yer hate...

[unstuck]

Yeah this area has developed so much in even the last 5 years it's kind of sad. The dream would be living in coatesville with some land one day when I buy my own house. Nearly done being a student so I can start saving mid next year!

Robinson road, off sunnyside road in coatsville used to be a sneaky backdoor into the riverhead forest.:whistle:

[biketimus_prime]

Have a wee think about a weekend away, oop north. HERE (http://www.thefarm.co.nz/) prolly after the holidays is best, nay, vital. Let the kids get back to school. Accommodation is rough but it's a fantastic place to play. No doubt somebody there will give you some helpful pointers, too.

If you do, PM me and we may pop over if it's a Sunday. Been ages since I busted a bike there.

That place looks awesome! Seriously considering a camping trip with mates there now. It sucks that most of the places to ride are so far out though :(


Robinson road, off sunnyside road in coatsville used to be a sneaky backdoor into the riverhead forest.:whistle:

Can I ride in riverhead forest? Or is it more of a grey area

[unstuck]

Can I ride in riverhead forest? Or is it more of a grey area

Was never really allowed, but they used to just tell you to fuck off, but I imagine nowadays they take it a little more seriously.
But they have to catch you first.
The dome forest between Warkworth and Wellsford used to be good too, and Te ari/ tomorata but unfortunately they do not like bikes in there anymore either.:oi-grr:

[biketimus_prime]

Was never really allowed, but they used to just tell you to fuck off, but I imagine nowadays they take it a little more seriously.
But they have to catch you first.
The dome forest between Warkworth and Wellsford used to be good too, and Te ari/ tomorata but unfortunately they do not like bikes in there anymore either.:oi-grr:

I just really want to do a nice scenic ride like through a farm or something. I don't want to wait to ride woodhill until my friend gets his!

[nzspokes]

I just really want to do a nice scenic ride like through a farm or something. I don't want to wait to ride woodhill until my friend gets his!

Look at events on the silverbullet website. Farm rides all the time.

[george formby]

That place looks awesome! Seriously considering a camping trip with mates there now. It sucks that most of the places to ride are so far out though :(


We are "just across the bay" from The Farm but it still takes a good hour or so to get there. From Auks it's 3 - 3 1/2 hours. Not a big deal. Get a hold of Dan and no doubt he will be happy to organise some coaching. He is seriously handy.
Bring fishing rods & beer.


I've approached a couple of farmers up here to ask about riding on there land. Once they twig we're just wanting to learn, not destroy the place and there's a dozen in it for them they are quite happy. A bit of respect & good manners still opens doors.

[unstuck]

I've approached a couple of farmers up here to ask about riding on there land. Once they twig we're just wanting to learn, not destroy the place and there's a dozen in it for them they are quite happy. A bit of respect & good manners still opens doors.

Have found the same, got access to some pretty cool spots that way, helps having bees on some of their farms too. Sweetens the pot a little.:2thumbsup

[biketimus_prime]

Pretty serious about all this and I also wanted a ute for ages. My friend had one going cheap so I decided why not!

https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10426151_10154882171835632_8123433809680590675_n.j pg?oh=99249bb7ccab4bafc25768be6db14e71&oe=550225E1

Also managed to score myself a pair of sweet MX boots for $40! Now my friend just needs to get himself a bike and gear and it's rides on!

Oh also does anyone want to buy an R32 skyline... Too many toys now.

[unstuck]

Good stuff, happy riding.:2thumbsup

[Tazz]

Fawk yeah! Good to see you're gettin shit done :niceone: Enjoy!

[biketimus_prime]

Good stuff, happy riding.:2thumbsup

Fawk yeah! Good to see you're gettin shit done :niceone: Enjoy!


Cheers. Bit of a surreal weekend buying a ute AND a bike!

I took it for a cheeky thrash in the reserve near mine. Couple of things, where can I get some upgrade bits like:

*A longer brake lever

*Front brake pads

*For owners/maintenance manual is it an XR200R? Which one from here: http://mybikemanuals.com/honda/honda-xr-owners-manuals/

*It rides sweet but when I come to a stop I have to give it some RPMs otherwise sometimes the revs drop and it dies and it takes a few kicks to get started. The previous owner gave me an invoice with service done on the carburettor saying "Honda XL/ATC Carb gasket set" and $82 in labour for it.

*Should I get an hours counter for it so I know when to service etc

*How good are the motors? What preventative maintenance should I do?

Way scarier than my road bike though, not sure why, but I feel really unsafe on it for now.

[unstuck]

Bike shop or online for bits.
The manual you want is the one for your bike.;)
And sounds like either the idle or mixture need tweeking.
Hopefully an easy fix. Riding dirtbikes can be a lot different to riding on the road, heaps rougher terrain and shit to navigate plus the riding position, but you will get it.:2thumbsup

[nzspokes]

Mine did that when I got it and a bigger idle jet sorted it.

Couple of weeks and I could be up for a blast round thundercross park if your up for it. Im slow and hopeless so you can watch me fall off all the time.

[tigertim20]

The manual you want is the one for your bike.;)

Pretty sure it was mentioned earlier that the bike has a different engine in it, i.e. ts a 250 frame, and a 200 engine, possibly from different years . . .


Cheers. Bit of a surreal weekend buying a ute AND a bike!

*A longer brake lever

*Front brake pads

*It rides sweet but when I come to a stop I have to give it some RPMs otherwise sometimes the revs drop and it dies and it takes a few kicks to get started. The previous owner gave me an invoice with service done on the carburettor saying "Honda XL/ATC Carb gasket set" and $82 in labour for it.

*Should I get an hours counter for it so I know when to service etc

*How good are the motors? What preventative maintenance should I do?

Way scarier than my road bike though, not sure why, but I feel really unsafe on it for now.

Given its vintage, I wouldnt bother with an hour meter. give it a clean after each ride, and a look over. change oil regularly, and they more or less last forever.

the different riding position will be hard to get used to, and knobbly tyres vs treaded tyres, and smooth road vs uneven dirt surfaces will take a little getting used to.

When you get the manual, I would make sure the carb settings are where they should be - the manual will explain this, that should help stop it cutting out on you

For bits and peices, if you dont particularly like using your local dealer then these guys have been pretty good in the past, Ive used several times
http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/

[nzspokes]

One of my computers has the XR200 manual on it. I will have a look a bit later on.

[biketimus_prime]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have found a manual that has the correct pictures for the idle screw and idle mixture screw etc. It was the XR200R 1989 manual. Will have a go at adjust it tomorrow. Seems easy enough.

One last stupid question. The choke that is under the fuel tank. Currently it sits with the little lever engaged against arm. If I move the lever upwards then it disengages/contact between the lever and the actuator arm. Which way should it be? While the bike is idling if I move the lever upwards the bike dies. Found the answer in the manual, I had scrolled over it too fast before!


Mine did that when I got it and a bigger idle jet sorted it.

Couple of weeks and I could be up for a blast round thundercross park if your up for it. Im slow and hopeless so you can watch me fall off all the time.


I could be keen if my mate is sorted by then too :)
As for the bigger idle jet, I had a play with the idle screw and there is plenty of rotation left to bring the idle up. However I can't make a final decision without making sure the mixture is correct first which I will do tomorrow.

[nzspokes]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have found a manual that has the correct pictures for the idle screw and idle mixture screw etc. It was the XR200R 1989 manual. Will have a go at adjust it tomorrow. Seems easy enough.

One last stupid question. The choke that is under the fuel tank. Currently it sits with the little lever engaged against arm. If I move the lever upwards then it disengages/contact between the lever and the actuator arm. Which way should it be? While the bike is idling if I move the lever upwards the bike dies. Found the answer in the manual, I had scrolled over it too fast before!




I could be keen if my mate is sorted by then too :)
As for the bigger idle jet, I had a play with the idle screw and there is plenty of rotation left to bring the idle up. However I can't make a final decision without making sure the mixture is correct first which I will do tomorrow.

Sounds like your getting mixed up between idle adjustment and idle mixture. Its the mixture that sounds to be the issue. May be a bit lean.

[unstuck]

Pretty sure it was mentioned earlier that the bike has a different engine in it, i.e. ts a 250 frame, and a 200 engine, possibly from different years . . .





As I pointed out earlier in the thread.:bleh:

[biketimus_prime]

Sounds like your getting mixed up between idle adjustment and idle mixture. Its the mixture that sounds to be the issue. May be a bit lean.

Sorry yeah I mean I need to adjust the mixture and the manual says it'll maybe affect my idle so I will need to adjust that then. I'm sure it'll all come right tomorrow. If not I'll come on here and complain :D


As I pointed out earlier in the thread.:bleh:

Yeah, looks like XR200 1989 is the right model :)

[Shane06]

Just use it as is for couple of rides then get a 250 2t

[biketimus_prime]

Just use it as is for couple of rides then get a 250 2t

I keep being told I'll outgrow it fast. I'll see what happens. Problem is I can't afford to upgrade to a bigger more expensive bike as I need to be able to sell all my toys end of next year or so and not make a huge loss so I can put it towards a house depost. Toys can come way later after that. Just having some fun for now.

[nzspokes]

I keep being told I'll outgrow it fast. I'll see what happens. Problem is I can't afford to upgrade to a bigger more expensive bike as I need to be able to sell all my toys end of next year or so and not make a huge loss so I can put it towards a house depost. Toys can come way later after that. Just having some fun for now.

Dont over think it. See plenty of bikes like that being blasted around at trail rides. A ton of fun.

[Lawrence]

I keep being told I'll outgrow it fast. I'll see what happens. Problem is I can't afford to upgrade to a bigger more expensive bike as I need to be able to sell all my toys end of next year or so and not make a huge loss so I can put it towards a house depost. Toys can come way later after that. Just having some fun for now.

spending more on a newer bike does not necessarily mean you will have more fun. Your XR will give you plenty of fun...

[Oscar]

I've got a Gas Gas Pampera 250 that is taking up space in the shed.
Open to offers...

[Eddieb]

I've got a Gas Gas Pampera 250 that is taking up space in the shed.
Open to offers...

What scary money do you want for that? need something for our daughter, she's outdone her little bike.

[Oscar]

What scary money do you want for that? need something for our daughter, she's outdone her little bike.

It's not rego'd and it's a little bit rough around the edges but got great motor and geniune $$$$ 2 ply michelins on it.
It's also in the 'kin way, so I'm open to offers (hint - read post #1).

[biketimus_prime]

My mate just bought a bike and got a full set of gear including boots and helmet too. RIDES ON!

I heard there's something on like a farm ride this weekend near hunua? The seller mentioned it too. However I think we'll both find a little empty land and ride around on it this weekend. He has never ridden a motorbike before so needs to get used to the clutch, shifting gears and the whole riding a motorbike thing first. Iron out any issues we may have and then go from there.

[Reckless]

My mate just bought a bike and got a full set of gear including boots and helmet too. RIDES ON!

I heard there's something on like a farm ride this weekend near hunua? The seller mentioned it too. However I think we'll both find a little empty land and ride around on it this weekend. He has never ridden a motorbike before so needs to get used to the clutch, shifting gears and the whole riding a motorbike thing first. Iron out any issues we may have and then go from there.

Go Out to Thunder X Bike park in Mercer. Ask James where the learners track is at the top of the hill.
Do and hour or two there then have a go at the B track. Weather should be good :)

You'll have fun as!!!

http://www.thundercrossvalley.co.nz/main.html

[nzspokes]

Go Out to Thunder X Bike park in Mercer. Ask James where the learners track is at the top of the hill.
Do and hour or two there then have a go at the B track. Weather should be good :)

You'll have fun as!!!

http://www.thundercrossvalley.co.nz/main.html

+1. Yeah I like the place. Ive not gone on the learners track as it says its for kids. I went straight out onto B track.

[Reckless]

+1. Yeah I like the place. Ive not gone on the learners track as it says its for kids. I went straight out onto B track.

If he's never ridden a bike before the top paddock is big enough up there if they stay away from the Kiddies ( if there are any there wasn't 3 weeks ago).

We always go up there and set up the gazebo and BBQ as my lady is learning.
Good access to the other tracks at the far end for a 1/2 loop and full loop if you go down the road.

The other great place id the farm but thats a weekend trip.

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-819610045.htm

Quick get in while you can.

[george formby]

I've got a Gas Gas Pampera 250 that is taking up space in the shed.
Open to offers...

FFS. Why did you post that so late?:pinch:

I've been looking for a Pampera for ages, a registered one anyhoo.

Oh well. I've just sprung for a Randonne so it's going to be a tight Christmas in more ways than one.

Got any piccies?

[biketimus_prime]

Cheers guys thundercross is definetly on the list! Maybe in a few weeks.

We both have bikes now but as for that DR350, I don't really trust it. Just dumping a larger top end on a motor? AND he says viewing recommended and AS IS sale. Always rings alarm bells.

[unstuck]

That dr looks alright to me.
Would be good once you get some confidence, but 400 probably a bit much for a noobie.:niceone:

[gwynfryn]

I wouldn't touch that dr350 unless you wanted a project.

The most i thought they can be taken out to is 380 which was a common mod in the day. In fact my friend has a very tidy one , even has the period 'cobra' muffler and i have a kiwi rider article where they test a modded one. There is no way that you can start it without using the decompression lever, the kickstart won't move at all so i am unsure about this '400'.

Oh i see you have got your bikes sorted. At some stage see if you can pull the xr swing arm pivot and get some grease in there.

I can see older xr,s increasing in value as vintage enduro becomes more popular.

[Tazz]

The most i thought they can be taken out to is 380

440. Nothing wrong with it being a 400 at all if it's setup to suit (which I'd say it is as it's still going :laugh:)

Might have had auto decomp thrown on. Dude doesn't sound like he knows much about it all.

[gwynfryn]

440. Nothing wrong with it being a 400 at all if it's setup to suit (which I'd say it is as it's still going :laugh:)

Might have had auto decomp thrown on. Dude doesn't sound like he knows much about it all.

True. I think 380 was it on standard sleeve and was the most common mod in NZ back in the day.

Always liked the 350 especially with the cartridge forks and fcr carb. Great adventure bike, air cooled and six speed.

[mossy1200]

440. Nothing wrong with it being a 400 at all if it's setup to suit (which I'd say it is as it's still going :laugh:)

Might have had auto decomp thrown on. Dude doesn't sound like he knows much about it all.

+1
The guy that owns it wont be the one set it up.
Im picking that guy made a great bike and as long as its had oil changes and some love since or done low millage would be a good deal.
Something loved enough to have been kitted out is usually well looked after.

[leathel]

There are some great trail rides to go on when you have the basics sorted

http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/trail-rides.aspx

http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/events.php

Check the Waikato, Hauraki, South Auckland and Auckland events

Some good and some great rides in that lot

http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=11550

http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=11237

Maramarua has a few events, they are generally a gravel loop with different coloured arrows for different skilled loops that run off that

http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event.php?id=11585

ask on here what they are like if iffy conditions as some turn to shit if it rains

this weekends Mr Motorcycles ride for instance is pretty OK dry but is slippery as when wet, if you get to a track and it is wet but not raining let the people take the surface of first as it usually gets better if it has a solid base and stays dry :)

[biketimus_prime]

Thanks for the links, I'll check them out! Going to take the bikes to a quite patch of grass near mine this weekend. Going to iron out the logistics of loading/unloading two on the ute, how the brakes etc feel and also service them and all that. Pretty excited!

[nzspokes]

Leathel is right on the farm rides. They are great fun. And you dont need to be super skilled to do them. Once or twice at Thundercross and you will be fine. :woohoo:

Im hopeless and I make it round.

I should really do a course sometime. :confused:

[leathel]

Leathel is right on the farm rides. They are great fun. And you dont need to be super skilled to do them. Once or twice at Thundercross and you will be fine. :woohoo:

Im hopeless and I make it round.

I should really do a course sometime. :confused:


Some great scenery on some of those rides too, some footage of the mr motorcycle page (not as narrow as it looks on this footage)




http://youtu.be/4lcgbsw9dM8

[pete-blen]

Theres also these rides... mostly south island... But they have not completely forgotten the northeners........

==============> http://www.myrides.co.nz/trail-rides-xidc53532. still more NI 2015 rides to be added yet by the look of it...

I just picked up a 03 CRF150 for my 13yo... So I /we will be doing a lot more trail rides next year...

[biketimus_prime]

Hey guys my friend and I went out for a ride today. Mainly was to practice loading/ unloading the bikes, strapping them down, then ironing out any issues that may arise. Glad we did that as we have had a few issues come up.

One was that the fuel line on my friend's bike from the fuel cock to the carb was leaking so we replaced that.

My bike after a bit of riding today started heavily misfiring and wouldn't pull in the higher RPM. It would then sputter and die out as I accelerated. After I leave it for a bit then start it up it blew out black smoke and then idles fine and revs fine. But then after riding fine for a bit it'll misfire etc and die out again... If I ride it at low RPM and take it easy it'll still sputter mildly but be rideable.
Any ideas? I'm thinking maybe fuel filter and also replace spark plug for starters. Would it be a carby issue? It was meant to have been rebuilt in september and not ridden much if at all since then.

Also it had a full tank of gas but I had left it in reserve during the ride if that makes a difference.

[nzspokes]

Could be float valve in the carb. Cheap fix if it is. Does sound like it.

[unstuck]

Yeah, sounds like a float issue. Should be an easy fix.:niceone:

[biketimus_prime]

Alright cheers guys. I would have thought Botany honda would have set all that correctly but I have been looking for an excuse to rip the bike apart anyway. I'll clean out the carby while I'm there too. Easier than a car that's for sure!

[unstuck]

Alright cheers guys. I would have thought Botany honda would have set all that correctly but I have been looking for an excuse to rip the bike apart anyway. I'll clean out the carby while I'm there too. Easier than a car that's for sure!

They may have set the carb correctly, but it is easy enough for some crap to get from the tank to the needle valve and stop it from seating correctly.:2thumbsup

[biketimus_prime]

Righto I'll open it up before asking anymore questions anyway. Less talking more doing!

[nzpoontang]

Hey guys, how often do you go to that thundercross valley place? ive just scored myself a rmx250 and have very very little offroad experience, an none of my mates are keen to give it a go with me haha

[unstuck]

Hey guys, how often do you go to that thundercross valley place?
an none of my mates are keen to give it a go with me haha

Never, and you need some new mates. Fuckers.:Punk::Punk:

[nzpoontang]

Hahaha yeah defiantly need some new mates, convinced one of them to get a dirt bike so he has gone an brought an 02 cr250 with all the aftermarket bits you can think of, so that should be interesting, bastards with too much money

[biketimus_prime]

Pulled apart the carby and cleaned the whole thing out, there was some debris in the float bowl but everything works as it should. I thought the high speed needle jet may be blocked but it didn't appear to be. Anyways I put it all back together and it still ran terribly like the last time I rode it.
But then after loads of dicking around with it not starting up after dying mid ride again I managed to get it started with the throttle fully open, it won't start up otherwise.
I then adjusted the idle mixture screw once it was warm and raised the idle. It seems to run okay not, no misfiring or hesitations or dying on me. I have no idea what may have caused the issues I had before. Any ideas?


Also we took apart my mate's TT225 and the boot between the engine and carburettor is fully wrecked. Can't buy it from the dealer as yamaha don't make them anymore. Any ideas on that too?
It's like this: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mdPe1IslLaSuH-HrydIpAeg.jpg

[1zero]

Pulled apart the carby and cleaned the whole thing out, there was some debris in the float bowl but everything works as it should. I thought the high speed needle jet may be blocked but it didn't appear to be. Anyways I put it all back together and it still ran terribly like the last time I rode it.
But then after loads of dicking around with it not starting up after dying mid ride again I managed to get it started with the throttle fully open, it won't start up otherwise.
I then adjusted the idle mixture screw once it was warm and raised the idle. It seems to run okay not, no misfiring or hesitations or dying on me. I have no idea what may have caused the issues I had before. Any ideas?


Also we took apart my mate's TT225 and the boot between the engine and carburettor is fully wrecked. Can't buy it from the dealer as yamaha don't make them anymore. Any ideas on that too?
It's like this: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mdPe1IslLaSuH-HrydIpAeg.jpg

You may find a similar year XT225 or TT250 etc etc may share the same boot,but your dealer should be able to tell you this or not, if all else fails try NI wreckers and then i'm sure they would be available off Ebay in the States.

[Reckless]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-XT225-1992-2007-Carb-Carburetor-Intake-Manifold-/141439962625

12 bucks freight not to bad if it fits?? :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-TT-R225-TTR225-Carb-Carburetor-Intake-Manifold-/400804684298?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d51d2220a&vxp=mtr

[biketimus_prime]

Yeah the XT225 boot apparently is 1mm larger on the carburettor side but they want $148 for it!

Thanks for the ebay links, could be an option but I reckon I will try get something machined up that will take some generic piping. Just need access to a machine shop tomorrow. Tough this close to christmas, anyone have hookups on the north shore??

Even a grinder could work so I can round the full face of the engine mounting flange so I can attach some hose with a hose clamp

[george formby]

If you have the part number try this lot for a quote. http://www.jp-parts.com/?gclid=CKDw74rp0K0CFcVKpgodAkafnQ

I use them almost exclusively now for parts for my DT 230. Great service and genuine parts. Probably not the cheapest option but hassle free.

[biketimus_prime]

If you have the part number try this lot for a quote. http://www.jp-parts.com/?gclid=CKDw74rp0K0CFcVKpgodAkafnQ

I use them almost exclusively now for parts for my DT 230. Great service and genuine parts. Probably not the cheapest option but hassle free.

I'll check them out but I'd like to some up with a fix that allows us to use off the shelf parts after some small modifications. I'm wondering if I could go to hydraulink tomorrow and get a hose that could work.

Just a pain at how oddly shaped the flange is.

[nzspokes]

My old XR had a bit of bicycle tube wrapped round the rubber manifold with cable ties round it. I took it off the manifold and it ran like shit. So I put it back on. Ran great. Rough but worked.

[Reckless]

You could try Ronnies Mail order as well

Your part is here if I have the correct model etc
Motorcycles 1999
TTR225 TTR225L/TTR225LC ???
http://www.ronniesmailorder.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=3950510&category=Motorcycles&make=Yamaha&year=1999&fveh=177446


They have heaps of stuff for old bikes :)

[biketimus_prime]

My old XR had a bit of bicycle tube wrapped round the rubber manifold with cable ties round it. I took it off the manifold and it ran like shit. So I put it back on. Ran great. Rough but worked.

You may be on to something! I'm half tempted to epoxy what is remaining of the rubber manifold as most of it is still intact and rest can be well sealed if I epoxy. However I'm worried the vibrations will cause cracks then. But I'll see if I can get some bicycle tube and make something too. What a great idea! Can be an interim fix so we can get out riding again.


You could try Ronnies Mail order as well

Your part is here if I have the correct model etc
Motorcycles 1999
TTR225 TTR225L/TTR225LC ???
http://www.ronniesmailorder.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=3950510&category=Motorcycles&make=Yamaha&year=1999&fveh=177446


They have heaps of stuff for old bikes :)

Yep that's the right part! Will get in touch with them too. Thanks for that :)

[unstuck]

Tape, you can just about fix anything with the right amount of tape.:msn-wink:

[biketimus_prime]

I went and found a wide rubber strip, glued it around the tube and cable tied it to hold it together. That should seal up any broken leaks.

However today when we put the bike back together it wouldn't start. There is spark and plenty of air passing through but not a drop of fuel. Spent the whole afternoon trying to figure out what the hell the issue could be and after I get home and do some digging, it comes down to float heights. Which would make sense because I slightly bent the forked tab the needle sits on to bring it closer to the other tab below it because the needle was jamming up against the walls of the cylinder it sits within if the floats were allowed to drop down to their lowest height (does that make sense?). So by bending the forked tab it stopped doing that and moved freely up and down but not down far enough to get jammed up. Now I presume there isn't enough fuel sitting in the float bowl to start the bike.

Does anyone know the right float height for a yamaha tt225? I can't find any manuals for it

Also while we're at it, float height for my honda XR200R?

Thanks!

[unstuck]

Get a piece of clear hose the right size to fit over the drain nipple on the bottom of the carb bowl, then run it up the side of the carb and you will see what hight the fuel is sitting at when you undo the drain screw.:devil2:

[nzspokes]

Get a piece of clear hose the right size to fit over the drain nipple on the bottom of the carb bowl, then run it up the side of the carb and you will see what hight the fuel is sitting at when you undo the drain screw.:devil2:

This. ^^^^^^

[biketimus_prime]

but how do I know what the right height is?

[nzspokes]

but how do I know what the right height is?

Normally the same height as the float bowl.

[biketimus_prime]

Normally the same height as the float bowl.

Thanks, I was going to set it at that after a load of searching and no result. Get is as level as I can with the bowl and go from there. Although there are some carbies that have the fuel height a mm or two above the bowl. Wish me luck lads, going to try sort it out today!

[biketimus_prime]

Didn't fuckin work. Plenty of fuel in the carby but nothing being sucked in. I figure the boot between engine and carby is leaking so much that the air gets pulled in from there rather than from the airbox.
Sucks to be us.

[unstuck]

Ratshit. Look at it this way, once you figure a way to get it working, you will feel like a champ.
Unless you give up that is.:msn-wink:

[biketimus_prime]

Nah won't be giving up, we haven't even had a decent ride yet! It's an easy fix, only reason it's taking so long is because all the places we need are closed for christmas. The plan is to cut a new flange without the stupid beveled portion and instead have a proper round nozzle for the hose to clamp on to. Then go to hydraulink and perhaps find some hose there that'll fit.

The original boot has broken before, the last owner had replaced it with a random one and cut out bits to suit the flange, however that means it's held against the flange by tension of the airbox pushing against the carb rather than clamped or moulded around the flange.

[biketimus_prime]

Where can I buy an different idle fuel screw for my XR200?
When I turn it all the way out, the bike idles like shit, however as I turn it all the way in it starts running better and keeps on getting better until the screw is all the way in.
I suppose I need a larger needle?

Also we got my mate's bike started. Bought a carburettor boot all the way from hawera, thanks to Bailey motorcycles! She started right up because the carby is finally drawing air in from the intake rather than from the cracked boot.
However now it's started blowing a lot of white smoke and when left iding it turns into blue smoke. What the fuck.

Also camped out 3 nights at The Farm (www.thefarm.co.nz), great place! Few friends and I did dirt biking. Got a solid 2 hours in and only costed $80 including bikes and gear! In fact we loved it so much that we're booking another trip next week just to get a day of dirt biking done on saturday. There was also a dirt biking competition on, all the riders were amazing. Also in disbelief at how good the kids are. Can't wipe their own asses but clear bigger jumps than I'd dream of!

[nzspokes]

Where can I buy an different idle fuel screw for my XR200?
When I turn it all the way out, the bike idles like shit, however as I turn it all the way in it starts running better and keeps on getting better until the screw is all the way in.
I suppose I need a larger needle?

Also we got my mate's bike started. Bought a carburettor boot all the way from hawera, thanks to Bailey motorcycles! She started right up because the carby is finally drawing air in from the intake rather than from the cracked boot.
However now it's started blowing a lot of white smoke and when left iding it turns into blue smoke. What the fuck.

Also camped out 3 nights at The Farm (www.thefarm.co.nz), great place! Few friends and I did dirt biking. Got a solid 2 hours in and only costed $80 including bikes and gear! In fact we loved it so much that we're booking another trip next week just to get a day of dirt biking done on saturday. There was also a dirt biking competition on, all the riders were amazing. Also in disbelief at how good the kids are. Can't wipe their own asses but clear bigger jumps than I'd dream of!

Your bike sounds like idle jet is to big. It is not the screw. But run it 2turns out and ride it to see what it goes like. then 1.5 turns etc. See where it runs best. Also check the jet size against the manual.

White smoke is either water or condensation. Blue is either rings or valve guides. Sounds like it needs a top end. Do a compression test.

[unstuck]

What does the end of the mixture screw look like, should be nice and even with no ridge or hollow around it.

http://www.briggsandstratton.com/eu/de/~/media/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions/Engine/Images/Small%20Engine%20Care%20and%20Repair/Overhauling%20the%20Carburetor/96A%20overhauling%20the%20carburetor.jpg

That pic is a pretty severe example, but you get the idea. I use a decent magnifying glass, you can then see stuff you may miss with just the eyecrometer.:msn-wink:

[biketimus_prime]

Your bike sounds like idle jet is to big. It is not the screw. But run it 2turns out and ride it to see what it goes like. then 1.5 turns etc. See where it runs best. Also check the jet size against the manual.

White smoke is either water or condensation. Blue is either rings or valve guides. Sounds like it needs a top end. Do a compression test.

The idle screw being on the engine side of the carb controls the amount of fuel going in, if I turn it all the way in and it still runs well, it means that it is running too rich right?
I will turn the screw 2 turns out and see what happens. I believe it'll struggle to idle and run like shit but since I redid the float it may be okay.

I really hope my mate's bike doesn't need a top end. I feel like it may be a possibility as it was running lean before we sorted it and finally fixing it and riding it may have been the last straw.


What does the end of the mixture screw look like, should be nice and even with no ridge or hollow around it.

http://www.briggsandstratton.com/eu/de/~/media/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions/Engine/Images/Small%20Engine%20Care%20and%20Repair/Overhauling%20the%20Carburetor/96A%20overhauling%20the%20carburetor.jpg

That pic is a pretty severe example, but you get the idea. I use a decent magnifying glass, you can then see stuff you may miss with just the eyecrometer.:msn-wink:

The mixture screw looks fine, not perfect and shiny but it is not worn excessively in any way.

[biketimus_prime]

Hey guys so I went and had a look at my friend's bike today. It starts smoking as soon as it starts up from dead cold even after a week of sitting there and just smokes and smokes. Pure white smoke, no tinge of blue. Spark plug is very damp mixture of what appears to be oil and fuel.

Could it possibly be running waaaay to rich to have white smoke like that?

The smoke smells like burnt matches and fuel and nothing like the usual burnt oil smell a car has. Is it maybe because 4 stroke bike oil just has a different smell when it burns?

To be honest I'm being optimistic, it is probably rings...

[unstuck]

Im guessing running way too rich.:blink:

[biketimus_prime]

Im guessing running way too rich.:blink:

Forgot to mention that we first got it started and rode it around and it was fine. It was smoking a bit after a few minutes of riding but not a huge amount. It was then after starting it later that afternoon that the huge amount of smoke started happening. Maybe a stuck valve stem seal or something?

[unstuck]

I would think it would be blue /grey if it was oil. Valve stem Oil seal would be more noticeable if left idling then opened the throttle .:blink:

[biketimus_prime]

I would think it would be blue /grey if it was oil. Valve stem Oil seal would be more noticeable if left idling then opened the throttle .:blink:

Yeah the smoke increases if you open the throttle. Will have a go at re-doing the idle air screw adjustment and giving it an oil change I think.