Paris policeman shot in head as he pleads for life

[mashman]

I smell bullshit!

Put this on full screen and you can see the guy misses his shot by a few feet. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668)

[yokel]

Apparently the government now cares about free speech, wish they'd make their fucking minds up

[unstuck]

No brain matter on the footpath, I want my money back.:bleh:

[mashman]

No brain matter on the footpath, I want my money back.:bleh:

You can see the puff of concrete dust where the bullet hits. Either way, smart cop staying down.

[TheDemonLord]

I smell bullshit!

Put this on full screen and you can see the guy misses his shot by a few feet. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668)

I'm not so sure, could be the ricochet from passing through the skull - it did appear the muzzle was level with his head when the shot was fired.

[mashman]

I'm not so sure, could be the ricochet from passing through the skull - it did appear the muzzle was level with his head when the shot was fired.

Maybe. Although I would have thought that his head would have jerked with the impact of the bullet?

[unstuck]

Maybe. Although I would have thought that his head would have jerked with the impact of the bullet?

And there should have been a splatter pattern on the concrete I would have thought. Do not see any blood at all in that vid.

[TheDemonLord]

And there should have been a splatter pattern on the concrete I would have thought. Do not see any blood at all in that vid.

^^^

If anything was to sway me that it was fake - that would be the first thing - I didn't expect blood straight away (a La Hollywood) but certainly would have expected to see a pool of blood forming

[mashman]

And there should have been a splatter pattern on the concrete I would have thought. Do not see any blood at all in that vid.

These guys seem to think similar... so they did a slow motion version


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csb2SqVAl78

[unstuck]

^^^

If anything was to sway me that it was fake - that would be the first thing - I didn't expect blood straight away (a La Hollywood) but certainly would have expected to see a pool of blood forming

I could understand it if it was just a bit of flesh being hit with that velocity and range, but a head shot, nah. Would have been a mass of tissue and bone spraying out along with the projectile. Know fuck all about guns though.:laugh: Just that I am not allowed near them.:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

I could understand it if it was just a bit of flesh being hit with that velocity and range, but a head shot, nah. Would have been a mass of tissue and bone spraying out along with the projectile. Know fuck all about guns though.:laugh: Just that I am not allowed near them.:msn-wink:

someone with more knowledge of Ballistics and bullet mechanics will probably need to comment - my understanding was that if the bullet doesn't fragment and travels through the body at a high velocity then the entrance and exist wounds can be very clean (small holes) which could account for the lack of the hollywood style headshot blood everywhere

but as I said - I am not an authority on this (don't have my firearms licence yet)

[unstuck]

someone with more knowledge of Ballistics and bullet mechanics will probably need to comment - my understanding was that if the bullet doesn't fragment and travels through the body at a high velocity then the entrance and exist wounds can be very clean (small holes) which could account for the lack of the hollywood style headshot blood everywhere

but as I said - I am not an authority on this (don't have my firearms licence yet)

As I said, if it was just flesh, I could accept that. But bone would be a different story.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Isn't religion fantastic? Lets all have one. The one where you get 72 white sultanas if you die a martyr sounds like the one for me..

Or the one where you get stapled to a bit of tree. whatever. my life is shit and I dont like to think too much so I will surrender basic human decency and civility and 5000+ years of civilisation so that my "next life" can be in paradise. It makes me very sad.

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[HenryDorsetCase]

someone with more knowledge of Ballistics and bullet mechanics will probably need to comment - my understanding was that if the bullet doesn't fragment and travels through the body at a high velocity then the entrance and exist wounds can be very clean (small holes) which could account for the lack of the hollywood style headshot blood everywhere

but as I said - I am not an authority on this (don't have my firearms licence yet)

Um. do you think having a firearms licence will make you an expert in how to shoot people in the head more effectively? Or the effects of actually shooting people in the head? I suggest that should disqualify you from ever having a firearms licence you fucking nutcase.

[TheDemonLord]

Um. do you think having a firearms licence will make you an expert in how to shoot people in the head more effectively? Or the effects of actually shooting people in the head? I suggest that should disqualify you from ever having a firearms licence you fucking nutcase.

Not people - but I would like to go Hunting after I have applied for my firearms licence - I understand that pigs are a good analog for the effects of bullets on humans (I seem to remember a documentary about field medics training how to treat people by shooting pigs and then operating on them)

But you are right - that was a little carelessly worded!

[Ripperjon]

People are saying there could be a clean exit wound at that range because the bullet may not be tumbling.
I would expect a 7.62 to make a pretty good mess regardless.
If you've ever fired an AK, you'll know there is normally a pretty decent kick that isnt apparent in the slow-mo clip (the other clip plays jerky as fuck on my humble netbook).
Seems fishy

[Katman]

Oh what interesting times we live in.

[yokel]

Um. do you think having a firearms licence will make you an expert in how to shoot people in the head more effectively? Or the effects of actually shooting people in the head? I suggest that should disqualify you from ever having a firearms licence you fucking nutcase.

How do you get that from that post?
Who are you to say who should have any licence disqualified?
You're fuckin moron

[HenryDorsetCase]

How do you get that from that post?
Who are you to say who should have any licence disqualified?
You're fuckin moron

I was taking the piss you fucking retarded fuckwit. Even OP got that. You, with your room temperature IQ seemed to fail to understand. Another one for the ignore list. If you even read OP's post he doesnt have a firearms licence, much less one that can be suspended. Say Hi to your sister-mom for me.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh what interesting times we live in.

It is the best of times:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11331174/First-new-antibiotic-in-30-years-discovered-in-major-breakthrough.html


It is the worst of times:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11331902/Charlie-Hebdo-attack-Frances-worst-terrorist-attack-in-a-generation-leaves-12-dead.html

[mashman]

Bitchens

One belief set slagging off all other belief sets. Nah, not much ironing there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

One belief set slagging off all other belief sets. Nah, not much ironing there.

Fuck you, you lazy incompetent.

If you had a clue (and there is a reason you are on my ignore list) you would know that you cannot equate "faith" and reason as equivalent. No wonder you get sucked into lunatic conspiracy theories.

[unstuck]

Fuck you, you lazy incompetent.

If you had a clue (and there is a reason you are on my ignore list) you would know that you cannot equate "faith" and reason as equivalent. No wonder you get sucked into lunatic conspiracy theories.

If he is on ignore, then how do you know what he posted. This place is too confusing after a smoke.:eek:

[HenryDorsetCase]

If he is on ignore, then how do you know what he posted. This place is too confusing after a smoke.:eek:

I stupidly did the "view this post" thing. :( more fool me.

luckily I am about to go out for lunch with my girl. A glass of wine and all will be right with the world,,,,,


This Paris thing has really annoyed me. Especially since I have been re-reading The God Delusion. next on my reading list is the paper that argues that "72 virgins" is a mistranslation and what these idiots were promised is 72 sultanas.

Fucking religion. Stupidest thing we have done to ourselves as a species.

[mashman]

Fuck you, you lazy incompetent.

If you had a clue (and there is a reason you are on my ignore list) you would know that you cannot equate "faith" and reason as equivalent. No wonder you get sucked into lunatic conspiracy theories.

You are more than welcome to... but you're gonna have to do all of the work.

You can't? All them inventor folk who had faith that their inventions would eventually work when the "reasonable" members of society derided their attempts have proven otherwise. Perhaps you need to revisit your ...... sorry, forgot who I was talking to for a minute, as you were.

[unstuck]

[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;1130814633

Fucking religion. Stupidest thing we have done to ourselves as a species.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, sometimes it is a useful stepping stone though to other things, in the same way that 12 step programs are for those who wish to move onto something more.:msn-wink:

[Ripperjon]

Slow-mo vid removed.
Violation of Youtubes 'shocking and disgusting content' rules.
That was quick.
Plenty more shocking and disgusting shit all over Youtube.
The plot thickens.

[mashman]

Slow-mo vid removed.
Violation of Youtubes 'shocking and disgusting content' rules.
That was quick.
Plenty more shocking and disgusting shit all over Youtube.
The plot thickens.

Ach, that was just one of the content censors accidentally spilling their coffee.

Found it over at thedailysheeple (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/watch-no-recoil-no-blood-no-body-movement-slow-motion-footage-of-paris-officer-being-shotdisturbing-images_012015)... oh ironing

[bogan]

Not having viewed the vid (or read about half the posts).

But how numb to reality has the internet made 'us' that this is not only acceptable watching, but an acceptable discussion topic to exploit in order to further 'our' own views?

[mashman]

Not having viewed the vid (or read about half the posts).

But how numb to reality has the internet made 'us' that this is not only acceptable watching, but an acceptable discussion topic to exploit in order to further 'our' own views?

Yeah, coz that's why it has been posted :facepalm:

[yokel]

I was taking the piss you fucking retarded fuckwit. Even OP got that. You, with your room temperature IQ seemed to fail to understand. Another one for the ignore list. If you even read OP's post he doesnt have a firearms licence, much less one that can be suspended. Say Hi to your sister-mom for me.

Ignore list? Fuck you really are a little bitch haha,
I have done a online IQ test and got 126, so your claims of my room temp IQ are incorrect.

[TheDemonLord]

Ignore list? Fuck you really are a little bitch haha,
I have done a online IQ test and got 126, so your claims of my room temp IQ are incorrect.

Are we going to engage in an IQ pissing contest?

In which case - go sit in the stupid corner with a Dunce hat on your head (yes my IQ is higher than yours)

and also

Online IQ tests :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

*Breath in*

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Laava]

Apparently the government now cares about free speech, wish they'd make their fucking minds up

Of course they care about free speech. The fact you are still here is testament to that.

[bogan]

Of course they care about free speech. The fact you are still here is testament to that.

I think his version of free speech is if everyone and everything 'freely' agrees with him :laugh:

[Bikemad]

Ignore list? Fuck you really are a little bitch haha,
I have done AN online IQ test and got 126, so your claims of my room temp IQ are incorrect.

fixed it for ya genius..........:bleh:

[MD]

Not having viewed the vid (or read about half the posts).

But how numb to reality has the internet made 'us' that this is not only acceptable watching, but an acceptable discussion topic to exploit in order to further 'our' own views?

Well said.

What's the hell wrong with people who think it's OK to argue over how some poor unfortunate Policeman's blood and brain cells supposedly should have splattered, totally untouched by the inhumanity they were watching.

[mashman]

"The 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad reportedly handed himself in at a police station in Charleville Mézières after seeing his name on the list of shooting suspects on social media, French media reports.

According to French channel iTele, Mourad claims to have alibi of his innocence, which is being investigated. "

[mashman]

Well said.

What's the hell wrong with people who think it's OK to argue over how some poor unfortunate Policeman's blood and brain cells supposedly should have splattered, totally untouched by the inhumanity they were watching.

It's the blatant media lies that were being highlighted. Can't stop anyone from thinking otherwise mind.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ignore list? Fuck you really are a little bitch haha,
I have done a online IQ test and got 126, so your claims of my room temp IQ are incorrect.

not if the room is 126.

Also, quoting for irony
I have done a online IQ test...... If I was pedantic I would point out that it was a claim singular, not "claims"

[awa355]

Plenty of people going on about this attack on freedom of speech. So what do they do when someone expresses an opinion that doesn't fit with their views??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383623

[HenryDorsetCase]

Plenty of people going on about this attack on freedom of speech. So what do they do when someone expresses an opinion that doesn't fit with their views??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383623

express all the opinions you like. Just dont go shooting people with an AK and say that was the reason.
This shit is not difficult.

[yokel]

Plenty of people going on about this attack on freedom of speech. So what do they do when someone expresses an opinion that doesn't fit with their views??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383623

freedom of speech is ok as long as you don't hurt or offend anyone's feelings,

I just watch the vid, so far looks fake as fuck (IMO) , ether totally mist or shooting blanks or both.
anyone crying to me about the poor police officer can suck my dick.

[oldrider]

Not having viewed the vid (or read about half the posts).

But how numb to reality has the internet made 'us' that this is not only acceptable watching, but an acceptable discussion topic to exploit in order to further 'our' own views?

Hell fire and damnation - I find myself (almost) agreeing with bogan! :facepalm: (have read the thread and viewed the clip)

[unstuck]

Too many fuckers taking life way too seriously these days.:rolleyes:

[R650R]

Not having viewed the vid (or read about half the posts).

But how numb to reality has the internet made 'us' that this is not only acceptable watching, but an acceptable discussion topic to exploit in order to further 'our' own views?

Doesn't seem a problem for you with regard to the 3500 or so that died in 911......

Back to topic, saw link on another site and watched the vid, fella reckons the white smoke/dust is from them firing blanks.
I reckon a 7.62 (basically same as 308) would explode someones head at that range. It wouldn't matter if the bullet was 'tumbling' or not.
The shear impact velocity would pressurise the inside of the skull and splatter contents everywhere.

In the vid the shooters look mighty white behind those ski mask holes. And oh so very planned and executed. Only fully trained military personnel move that calmly and fluenty while staying on mission and not spending too much time at scene. And the picking up of the spare set of shoes.... so much planning.

[R650R]

I broke my can opener once while opening a can of watties spaghetti. Crap day at work and I was starving. I'd initiated about a half inch slit opening on edge of can then it broke.
Out of frustration I slammed the can down on the kitchen bench.
Much to my surprise half the contents of the can then erupted out the small opening and sprayed up across the ceiling like a crime scene. My flatmate got home five mins later and she was not impressed.
On the plus side if I ever have to murder anyone I know how long it takes to clean up the mess on the ceiling part anyway :)

If any of you don't believe me try it, but before the wife/girlfriend/mistress gets home!!!

[Katman]

I find myself asking, if you poke a stick at a hornet's nest long enough should you really be surprised if they sting you to death?

[scumdog]

I find myself asking, if you poke a stick at a hornet's nest long enough should you really be surprised if they sting you to death?

I guess if you are stupid enough to poke a hornets nest you WOULD be surprised when they start stining you to death:eek:

ME? I'd pour a bucket of petrol on the fuckers and nuke them!:niceone:

[Mike.Gayner]

Back to topic, saw link on another site and watched the vid, fella reckons the white smoke/dust is from them firing blanks.

Wrong, blanks produce fuck all smoke. Without a muzzle block a weapon won't cycle when firing blanks, so bugger all is ejected.


I reckon a 7.62 (basically same as 308) would explode someones head at that range. It wouldn't matter if the bullet was 'tumbling' or not.
The shear impact velocity would pressurise the inside of the skull and splatter contents everywhere.

Also wrong, and I can tell you haven't done much shooting. 7.62mm rounds really don't leave much of a hole.

Source: Was in the army, fired plenty of blanks and plenty of 7.62mm into pig's heads.

[Murray]

I smell bullshit!

Put this on full screen and you can see the guy misses his shot by a few feet.[/U][/B][/URL]

So it didn't happen??? Tell that to the families of the deceased.

What a tosser.

[rustyrobot]

I guess if you are stupid enough to poke a hornets nest you WOULD be surprised when they start stining you to death:eek:

ME? I'd pour a bucket of petrol on the fuckers and nuke them!:niceone:

I get your analogy but the situation just isn't like that - nearly all of these terrorists are homegrown. Nuking the nest might just make them nastier.

[Madness]

I find myself asking, if you poke a stick at a hornet's nest long enough should you really be surprised if they sting you to death?

They're French FFS.

[Katman]

I get your analogy but the situation just isn't like that - nearly all of these terrorists are homegrown. Nuking the nest might just make them nastier.

Perhaps a better analogy might be paparazzi who hound a celebrity until that celebrity snaps and goes on a paparazzi killing spree.

What sympathy would you have for the paparazzi?

[Murray]

Perhaps a better analogy might be paparazzi who hound a celebrity until that celebrity snaps and goes on a paparazzi killing spree.


But would they be a celebrity without any paparazzi??

[Katman]

But would they be a celebrity without any paparazzi??

I suppose that depends whether their celebrity status is based on talent or good looks.

[bogan]

Doesn't seem a problem for you with regard to the 3500 or so that died in 911......

It was a problem, and for many years I refused to look into the conspiracy theories simply because doing so entailed watching the horrific act again.

So one of the key differences is time, but another is that I would watch those videos to determine plausibility of the building falling; that content is nothing like watching a man get shot in the head while pleading for his life. And then to mutter ignorantly about how bullets affect this and that and start on the conspiracy theories just for the sake of it, is quite ghoulish.

[Katman]

....that content is nothing like watching a man get shot in the head while pleading for his life.

Is that what you think happened?

[bogan]

Is that what you think happened?

I'm going by the thread title; I have no desire to watch the video for myself.

[Katman]

I'm going by the thread title; I have no desire to watch the video for myself.

Well I'm glad we've finally established that you're happier believing what you're told to believe.

[Murray]

I'm going by the thread title; I have no desire to watch the video for myself.

Ditto - I cannot believe people want to discuss whether someone died or not and take a morbid interest in it.

Sounds like a biker down thread!

[bogan]

Well I'm glad we've finally established that you're happier believing what you're told to believe.

I'm happier not watching videos of people getting murdered, or allegedly murdered, or whatever the fuck you ghoulish nutjobs want to see in it.

As per the 911 thread (which I'm still waiting for an evidence based reply from you btw) I'll believe what the evidence shows...

[mashman]

So it didn't happen??? Tell that to the families of the deceased.

What a tosser.

I didn't say that it didn't happen in any way shape or form, so not sure where you got that idea from. The cop wasn't executed via head shot as the media have been pushing. People die in war and all of those families have my empathy beyond words.

[Virago]

So to recap...

There's been another terrorist attack / disaster somewhere in the world. The same tired old conspiracy nutters are trotting out their superior knowledge of everything to prove that it didn't happen?

[mashman]

So to recap...

There's been another terrorist attack / disaster somewhere in the world. The same tired old conspiracy nutters are trotting out their superior knowledge of everything to prove that it didn't happen?

Nope. This thread is about the media that said that the cop was shot in the head. The video evidence shows that not to be the case. There hasn't been a conspiracy theory in this thread at all.

[Virago]

...I have done a online IQ test and got 126, so your claims of my room temp IQ are incorrect.

Awesome. You can get university degrees online too - you should do it, eh?

[Oakie]

There hasn't been a conspiracy theory in this thread at all. It was implied.

[oldrider]

It was implied. Is that in it's self not a conspiracy? - we have a theory on that! :confused:

[oneblackflag]

Thread needs a Poll. Coke and Hookers would also be nice.

[oneblackflag]

....I have been re-reading The God Delusion.

Fucking religion. Stupidest thing we have done to ourselves as a species.

And you don't half bang on about it do you.

Do you see any ironing in your crusade against any and all forms of religion?

[Swoop]

307750
Also applies to the KB hat crew.

[R650R]

I'm happier not watching videos of people getting murdered, or allegedly murdered, or whatever the fuck you ghoulish nutjobs want to see in it.

As per the 911 thread (which I'm still waiting for an evidence based reply from you btw) I'll believe what the evidence shows...

I bet you have to look away whena cattle truck goes past, the poor basterds on their way to the cow version of Aushwitz. Shit must be hard getting down the meat isle at paknsave....

Its not ghoulish when there's no gore, hence why people are ringing the conspiracy alarm.... wheres the recoil on that AK47??? where's the blood.... remember boston they had its all over the footpath just from flying glass cuts...
Wheres the freakin traffic???? One does not simply leave there Puegot parked in the middle of a one way road during lunch hour while on a rampage.... fuckers are lucky they didn't get towed....

FROM JSF...

Terror attack in France?

With question mark because the news is too early for a debunk. (update, debunked.) Here is the plot:
Comic magazine Charlie Hebdo produced anti Islamic cartoons.

Three well armed "terrorists" stormed the place with machine guns ablaze while screaming "Allahu Akbar".

Terrorists escape completely, while shooting at police all over Paris, 10 dead.



Final inconsistencies tally:
1. 10 people were supposed to have died with others injured. Yet at the scene, a max of 2 ambulances showed up when well over 10 would have been needed for such an event.

2. It looks like they did fire some real rounds from the looks of one of the police cars for this "drill", however the pictures are not clear enough to show if the bullet holes are just gangsta stickers, in one of the photos the police officers are laughing and joking next to the shot up car where someone supposedly died. Additionally, images on Google of shot up windshields have cracks going all through the windshield. In this France event, all damage is limited to where the holes are. Is that possible?

3. All people who responded to the scene had French Foreign Legion haircuts. Odd for ambulance drivers and EMT's.

4 (a good one) - If the perpetrators got away and have not been captured, HOW did the French police already identify them when they have not turned up elsewhere? Sort of like the passport on 911 or all those pristine passports from flight MH17. That works. Gotta have a positive ID on them to "prove" they are "Muslim" and not just the Mossad out on a field trip. Gotta do it when the shock factor is at max. And no one dropped a passport this time, HOW did the police figure it out? TIMES THREE?

5. I never saw any bloody photos from this, not even fake blood, not even from a police officer who was shot by an AK and laying on the sidewalk for 10 seconds before being "shot" a second time, and still no blood. Very odd if this is real.

6. Target was a group of Jews, who belong to a greater whole which stages B.S. terror attacks frequently. That stinks.

7. How did the road miraculously have no traffic? The scene is set up as if staged. It is as if the area was cordoned off prior to the "attack" for a drill, so the "terrorists" simply parked smack dab in the middle of the road because they knew there would be no traffic.

8. How did the attackers know there would be a giant staff meeting with everyone important for the publication present to be shot all at once? A little help from the NSA or what?



9. The publication had serious prior financial trouble, and if it was going to close anyway, why not use it to stage a psy op? That would "explain" why it closed, would it not?
10. There is no recoil on the AK as it shoots. I initially assumed blanks, but what about rubber bullets? At any rate, there was no sign of blood at any point from the police officer, an AK goes all the way through and bullet proof vests are for handguns, not AK rounds. If he was wearing one it would not work. LACK OF ANY RECOIL AT ALL SCREAMS BLANK.

[Virago]

...There hasn't been a conspiracy theory in this thread at all.

Can you re-read the thread and say that again with a straight face...?

[bogan]

I bet you have to look away whena cattle truck goes past, the poor basterds on their way to the cow version of Aushwitz. Shit must be hard getting down the meat isle at paknsave....

Its not ghoulish when there's no gore, hence why people are ringing the conspiracy alarm.... wheres the recoil on that AK47??? where's the blood.... remember boston they had its all over the footpath just from flying glass cuts...
Wheres the freakin traffic???? One does not simply leave there Puegot parked in the middle of a one way road during lunch hour while on a rampage.... fuckers are lucky they didn't get towed....


Nope, slaughter of animals give me no problem.

It isn't hollywood.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is that what you think happened?

What, in your clearly more learned opinion actually happened?

[Murray]

heres the freakin traffic???? One does not simply leave there Puegot parked in the middle of a one way road during lunch hour while on a rampage....


You haven't had lunch in France, have you??

[HenryDorsetCase]

And you don't half bang on about it do you.

Do you see any ironing in your crusade against any and all forms of religion?

"crusade" is an interesting choice of word there. And the older I get the more militant I become. I havent got time for the bullshit anymore.

[mashman]

It was implied.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa :niceone:


Can you re-read the thread and say that again with a straight face...?

I see discussion on a great many things, but no conspiracy theory. You may have noticed something that I didn't... but that's your choice on how you see it innit

And then I read 650R's post. Heh.

[oneblackflag]

"crusade" is an interesting choice of word there. And the older I get the more militant I become. I havent got time for the bullshit anymore.

"Militant" is also interesting. How far off is your 'final solution' to eradicating the populous of freedom of thought/belief?

[mashman]

Bastard

If you're on the run after killing 11 people, why would you stop the car in the middle of the road to kill a cop? Why not just drive on? Should keep the vultures happy.

[oneblackflag]

If you're on the run after killing 11 people, why would you stop the car in the middle of the road to kill a cop? Why not just drive on? Should keep the vultures happy.

Ragheads, they're as mad as Arabs... These ones were religious so obviously also mentally ill...

[mashman]

Ragheads, they're as mad as Arabs... These ones were religious so obviously also mentally ill...

That explains why they decided to stop the car and then start their get away again, thanks.

[yokel]

That explains why they decided to stop the car and then start their get away again, thanks.

and left a ID card in the car just so we know who dunit, no need for investigation, It's almost like 9/11 all over again Hmmmm?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting-three-4938972

[TheDemonLord]

It was a problem, and for many years I refused to look into the conspiracy theories simply because doing so entailed watching the horrific act again.

So one of the key differences is time, but another is that I would watch those videos to determine plausibility of the building falling; that content is nothing like watching a man get shot in the head while pleading for his life. And then to mutter ignorantly about how bullets affect this and that and start on the conspiracy theories just for the sake of it, is quite ghoulish.

Well, Ghoulish it might be (I have a very high tolerance for Gore, both fake and Real) but I am going to address the somewhat bigger picture:

The video is purported to show one thing, but appears to show something different - and I will sit on the fence with my feet dangling on the Tin-Foil Hat club on this one - there are discrepancies between what one would expect to happen if the events that it is purporting to portray are real and if it wasn't.

This requires and even demands of us to look the video, not matter how distasteful or distressing we might find it and view it with a critical mind. If after viewing we can find a valid explanation for the differences, then we can put it to rest as another example of man's inhumanity to man. If we cannot find a valid explanation then more critical analysis of what has happened must occur.

I have no problem believing news when there isn't a reason to disbelieve it - but in this instance - there are some questions that need answers. And in light of that - we are discussing the options, as morbid as they may be from an objective and impartial stand point.

[mashman]

and left a ID card in the car just so we know who dunit, no need for investigation, It's almost like 9/11 all over again Hmmmm?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting-three-4938972

It did say unconfirmed. To be fair, they also said that there had been a cop murdered by a head shot even though they must have seen the video. Media doing its job well.

[bogan]

I have no problem believing news when there isn't a reason to disbelieve it - but in this instance - there are some questions that need answers. And in light of that - we are discussing the options, as morbid as they may be from an objective and impartial stand point.

In this instance there is no reason to disbelieve it. Occam's razor; especially in light of the lack of ballistics knowledge, anatomy knowledge, and hunting experience shown by those who question the validity.

[Berries]

That explains why they decided to stop the car and then start their get away again, thanks.
It must have been quarter to four so time to stop the car and get the carpet out for prayer time, biscuits and to read a Western newspaper to check out the cartoons.

[yokel]

If you're on the run after killing 11 people, why would you stop the car in the middle of the road to kill a cop? Why not just drive on? Should keep the vultures happy.

because they didnt want to drive off in a hurry as not to draw too much attention to their "terrorist" evil doings?

looks the 18 year old suspect was a sleeper cell at school in class during the attack

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[TheDemonLord]

In this instance there is no reason to disbelieve it. Occam's razor; especially in light of the lack of ballistics knowledge, anatomy knowledge, and hunting experience shown by those who question the validity.

I think in this case, there is reason enough to warrant debate and analysis.

[Katman]

In this instance there is no reason to disbelieve it. Occam's razor;

That whole Occam's razor theory is absolute bullshit.

Take for example a hypothetical situation wherein an actual false flag operation is carried out but done so in a professional enough manner that it is extremely difficult to expose the deception.

Do you still simply fall back on accepting what you perceive to be the most likely scenario or do you start investigating any little anomaly that might be noticed in the official story?

People fall back on the Occam's razor claim simply as a means to discourage others from asking questions. (Or as a means to justify their own lazy, unenquiring mind).

[mashman]

That whole Occam's razor theory is absolute bullshit.

People fall back on the Occam's razor claim simply as a means to discourage others from asking questions. (Or as a means to justify their own lazy, unenquiring mind).

You must have a sharper and more keen razor given that you don't have to rely on it as frequently... whereas a dull overused blade is a dull overused blade.

[ellipsis]

...has anybody entertained the notion that the vid may be real and the headshot was bang on but being a cop there was not really a lot of matter between the bone plates to really turn on the Sam Peckinpah effects?...

[yokel]

Well now we can all get entertained with the main stream media's man(witch) hunt going door to door looking for witches

[bogan]

I think in this case, there is reason enough to warrant debate and analysis.

Perhaps focus more on why your notion of what death should look like does not match with the video; instead of why the video must be wrong. It is hollywood fault you expect things to splatter, blood to pool out, recoil/smoke etc; interestingly, there is a phenomenon where people who are shot are far more likely to fall down like they do in the movies if they have seen a lot of those movies, than those who haven't.


That whole Occam's razor theory is absolute bullshit.

Take for example a hypothetical situation wherein an actual false flag operation is carried out but done so in a professional enough manner that it is extremely difficult to expose the deception.

Do you still simply fall back on accepting what you perceive to be the most likely scenario or do you start investigating any little anomaly that might be noticed in the official story?

People fall back on the Occam's razor claim simply as a means to discourage others from asking questions. (Or as a means to justify their own lazy, unenquiring mind).

No it still works; because the flag who was falsified will do that investigation :msn-wink:

Occam's razor will also teach those who have no knowledge in an area, to defer their judgement until those who do weigh in. Speaking of which, have you found any peer reviewed studies on reasons for 911 freefall yet?

[Katman]

Speaking of which, have you found any peer reviewed studies on reasons for 911 freefall yet?

Yeah, I have - thanks for asking.

You could too if you weren't so fucking lazy.

[bogan]

Yeah, I have - thanks for asking.

You could too if you weren't so fucking lazy.

Lazy, nah m8, just efficiency with a dash of razors. See if you've found it efficiency demands you share your findings, while occam's razor says you would supply it unless it was shit. And I do not see it supplied...

[Big Dog]

I guess if you are stupid enough to poke a hornets nest you WOULD be surprised when they start stining you to death:eek:

ME? I'd pour a bucket of petrol on the fuckers and nuke them!:niceone:

I don't claim to be a munitions expert but:
Save the bucket of petrol to go for a ride later. It won't make all that much difference in the result of detonating a nuke to clean up a hornets best.
Alternatively save yourself a million or so, pour 50-100 ml of petrol in the top of the nest (put the rest in your tank first for a good getaway) wait till you see the first drops out the bottom and apply a naked flame.
Make your way to a safe distance. It won't burn long, there will be a lot of smoke, and there may be some flash over. Trample any survivors sleeping on the ground under their burned out home.
Go spend the remainder of the bucket of fuel on going for a pleasant ride.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[RDJ]

someone with more knowledge of Ballistics and bullet mechanics will probably need to comment - my understanding was that if the bullet doesn't fragment and travels through the body at a high velocity then the entrance and exist wounds can be very clean (small holes) which could account for the lack of the hollywood style headshot blood everywhere

but as I said - I am not an authority on this (don't have my firearms licence yet)

Over the years have treated quite a few gunshot (including headshot) victims. This happened, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

[unstuck]

I don't claim to be a munitions expert but:
Save the bucket of petrol to go for a ride later. It won't make all that much difference in the result of detonating a nuke to clean up a hornets best.
Alternatively save yourself a million or so, pour 50-100 ml of petrol in the top of the nest (put the rest in your tank first for a good getaway) wait till you see the first drops out the bottom and apply a naked flame.
Make your way to a safe distance. It won't burn long, there will be a lot of smoke, and there may be some flash over. Trample any survivors sleeping on the ground under their burned out home.
Go spend the remainder of the bucket of fuel on going for a pleasant ride.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

DDT inside a fire extinguisher works even betterer.:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps focus more on why your notion of what death should look like does not match with the video; instead of why the video must be wrong. It is hollywood fault you expect things to splatter, blood to pool out, recoil/smoke etc; interestingly, there is a phenomenon where people who are shot are far more likely to fall down like they do in the movies if they have seen a lot of those movies, than those who haven't.

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

[bogan]

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

Blood brain barrier, arterial blood does not flow through the brain.

[Big Dog]

DDT inside a fire extinguisher works even betterer.:msn-wink:

Not everyone has DDT and a dead fire extinguisher. Or the means to charge it. Most of is can afford 50c worth of petrol and a match.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[RDJ]

It is entirely possible - certainly no splatter and no body jerk I could accept - but no blood pool is suspicious (note I am not saying it is conclusive proof of a conspiracy) - as an example - if you look at ancient depictions of decapitations - almost all of them show arterial spray - so no blood at all is curious

RDJ - could you elaborate (I am genuinely interested in your take)

Low velocity rounds frequently stay inside the skull. High velocity rounds often go straight in, straight out, cavitation effect on brain internally but if round stays intact ('full metal jacket') it expends most of its energy on the background landscape.

Have seen some people who have lived through medium-to-short-range fast through-and-through rounds, but very very few survive close-range lower-velocity rounds especially when the bullet ricochets as above, or fragments (unless the bullet traverses the face / sinuses and not the cranium).

[willytheekid]

... Most of is can afford 50c worth of petrol and a match.

.

Speak for ya self! :laugh: (I am so friggin broke at the mo:facepalm:)

...is tossing the thing over the noisey neighbours fence a valid option??:confused:


edit

This is the huge fucker Im hoping too get rid of
http://www.virtualoceania.net/newzealand/photos/cities/wellington/parliament/nz0479.jpg

...I honestly think it would look great in sydney ;) (the noisey neighbour)
spose we can try your petrol trick first lol

[caseye]

Love ya work, Willy, throw it high mate!

[mada]

Low velocity rounds frequently stay inside the skull. High velocity rounds often go straight in, straight out, cavitation effect on brain internally but if round stays intact ('full metal jacket') it expends most of its energy on the background landscape.

Have seen some people who have lived through medium-to-short-range fast through-and-through rounds, but very very few survive close-range lower-velocity rounds especially when the bullet ricochets as above, or fragments (unless the bullet traverses the face / sinuses and not the cranium).

+1

Most patho sites regarding ballistics say the same things.

High velocity and closer impact = tendency for less yaw/tumble and more direct path of round.

Military grade ammo (full metal jacket) is more likely to stay intact and exit with an even smaller exit wound than entry if at close range.

It's very plausible that said terrorists were using smuggled ex-mil weapons & ex-mil ammo.

Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot.

The dust - at the time this is seen the rifle is pointed at victims head, so it is most likely the bullet having exited victims head ricocheting off concrete opposed to a "blank" being fired or "gas" from the gun.

Real life often isn't as "graphic" as Hollywood movies, doesn't mean its not real though.

Another one of the conspiracy theory claims is that on the internet there is very little information about said Police Officer - newsflash for tinhatters, often Cops and Law Enforcement don't wave all their personal details online so crazy batshit stalkers or criminals don't track them down, but more importantly their family. :weird:



links:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/E-Book/injuries/firearm-injuries

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=O7GzmPy6uqEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=mOJpd-Sy1kgC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

[TheDemonLord]

So, assuming FMJ milspec ammo and that its an AK 47 and not and AK 74 (7.62mm vs 5.56mm) then it is entirely possible that it would be a through and through leaving a very small entry and exit hole - which may also explain the lack of blood - if the exit hole was small, it wouldn't be big enough to form a large blood pool.

It looks like I must withdrew my feet from the conspiracy theory side of the fence.

[yokel]

+1

Most patho sites regarding ballistics say the same things.

High velocity and closer impact = tendency for less yaw/tumble and more direct path of round.

Military grade ammo (full metal jacket) is more likely to stay intact and exit with an even smaller exit wound than entry if at close range.

It's very plausible that said terrorists were using smuggled ex-mil weapons & ex-mil ammo.

Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot.

The dust - at the time this is seen the rifle is pointed at victims head, so it is most likely the bullet having exited victims head ricocheting off concrete opposed to a "blank" being fired or "gas" from the gun.

Real life often isn't as "graphic" as Hollywood movies, doesn't mean its not real though.

Another one of the conspiracy theory claims is that on the internet there is very little information about said Police Officer - newsflash for tinhatters, often Cops and Law Enforcement don't wave all their personal details online so crazy batshit stalkers or criminals don't track them down, but more importantly their family. :weird:



links:

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/E-Book/injuries/firearm-injuries

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=O7GzmPy6uqEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=mOJpd-Sy1kgC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

-1

that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

[caseye]

-1

that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

[yokel]

just look at some of the many examples of retardation by the media.

"Earlier yesterday 18-year-old suspect Hamyd Mourad reportedly handed himself in to police after learning he was wanted but the Kouachi brothers have been on the run since the shootings"

after learning he was wanted??? really how so?

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/french-police-pursue-charlie-hebdo-massacre-suspects-into-forest/ar-AA7VAxx


and then there this dumb cow http://youtu.be/jLarWC4tEZ0 "there maybe a interesting back story to that". like what? the cops are just pulling suspects out of their arses?

what the fuck is a "back story" anyway?

[yokel]

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

no, I dont actually see footage of someone getting killed.

how the victims family's feel has nothing to do with what happened, so why bring it up?

[TheDemonLord]

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

We saw a video of what looked like someone getting killed - and so viewed in a critical manner, if he is dead (and based on input from those with more ballistics knowlesdge, it appears he is) then my condolences to those affected by this - but just because we see something that appears to be traumatic does not mean we should disregard our critical faculties and accept it as gospel truth.

I had doubts initially and by civil discourse have found a rational reason for my doubts.

[yokel]

We saw a video of what looked like someone getting killed - and so viewed in a critical manner, if he is dead (and based on input from those with more ballistics knowlesdge, it appears he is) then my condolences to those affected by this - but just because we see something that appears to be traumatic does not mean we should disregard our critical faculties and accept it as gospel truth.

I had doubts initially and by civil discourse have found a rational reason for my doubts.

do you see any trauma??

[Big Dog]

-1

that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.

However in relation to your "funky chicken": that would require continued electrical Impulses.

Frappe a brain via cavitation or bisection of the lower cortex and there are no residual impulses. Nor the means to transmit them to the limbs.

I saw a doco once that took a bit of a myth buster approach to csi programmes on CI. The experts all seemed to agree that the average joe often does not recognise a murder. Even if it goes down right in front of them especially a small knife or a firearm.

We have been conditioned by special effects to expect splatter, gore and any number of things that are easy to produce cheaply but look good on film.

They spent a fair amount of time on head shots.
The "pink mist" or high velocity brain spatter would only be visible on specialised slo mo / high speed cameras.
You only see it if the bullet has slowed to where it is also visible.

Pooling only occurs if the wound is downhill from the bulk of the blood or the heart is still pumping.

I may not have been present when someone has been shot in the head, but I can tell you a sudden trauma to the base of the skull just looks like someone fainting. If it is hard enough and fast / sudden enough they don't even blink. Not even recognition or fear. Just the lights are out.

60-100 kegs is a lot for 9-30 grams to move. Any bucking at that range is more likely a pre-mortem reaction to the blast.
Myth busters covered this one separately with similar results.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

do you see any trauma??

A person getting executed I think would count as a traumatic video - regardless of whether one could see any actual 'trauma'. Unless of course, one was a psychopath with no concept of human empathy

[Big Dog]

Speak for ya self! :laugh: (I am so friggin broke at the mo:facepalm:)

...is tossing the thing over the noisey neighbours fence a valid option??:confused:


edit

This is the huge fucker Im hoping too get rid of
http://www.virtualoceania.net/newzealand/photos/cities/wellington/parliament/nz0479.jpg

...I honestly think it would look great in sydney ;) (the noisey neighbour)
spose we can try your petrol trick first lol

Most arsonist who fail to completely destroy a target do so because they provide too much fuel for the environment. The fire consumes all the oxygen and puts itself out.

Mix petrol with a $$&&@'llkne to make it evaporate slower and add an 48,&4!:&@ to make it require less oxygen to sustain a burn and 50c worth or petrol will remove that hive. You just need to place it right and light it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Most arsonist who fail to completely destroy a target do so because they provide too much fuel for the environment. The fire consumes all the oxygen and puts itself out.

Mix petrol with a $$&&@'llkne to make it evaporate slower and add an 48,&4!:&@ to make it require less oxygen to sustain a burn and 50c worth or petrol will remove that hive. You just need to place it right and light it.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I dunno - I think with all the Hot Air that comes out of that place, we don't need to worry about the fire putting itself out :eek:

[Katman]

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.


Well until you bring yourself to watch it you won't be able to notice the total, and I mean total, lack of involuntary bodily reaction to the impact of any bullet.

[unstuck]

Not a gore thing,

Not many shootings here these days, not since that big one in the main street.:confused:

[yokel]

Have not made up my mind as to weather I will watch the video. It serves no purpose to me and gives oxygen to the terrorist. Not a gore thing, a morality thing.

However in relation to your "funky chicken": that would require continued electrical Impulses.

Frappe a brain via cavitation or bisection of the lower cortex and there are no residual impulses. Nor the means to transmit them to the limbs.

I saw a doco once that took a bit of a myth buster approach to csi programmes on CI. The experts all seemed to agree that the average joe often does not recognise a murder. Even if it goes down right in front of them especially a small knife or a firearm.

We have been conditioned by special effects to expect splatter, gore and any number of things that are easy to produce cheaply but look good on film.

They spent a fair amount of time on head shots.
The "pink mist" or high velocity brain spatter would only be visible on specialised slo mo / high speed cameras.
You only see it if the bullet has slowed to where it is also visible.

Pooling only occurs if the wound is downhill from the bulk of the blood or the heart is still pumping.

I may not have been present when someone has been shot in the head, but I can tell you a sudden trauma to the base of the skull just looks like someone fainting. If it is hard enough and fast / sudden enough they don't even blink. Not even recognition or fear. Just the lights are out.

60-100 kegs is a lot for 9-30 grams to move. Any bucking at that range is more likely a pre-mortem reaction to the blast.
Myth busters covered this one separately with similar results.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

here is a slow mo vid after the women's finished blah blahing http://youtu.be/jLarWC4tEZ0 there is zero visible gore, by not watching it your staving your brain of much needed oxygen.

any "gore" you may feel is just imagined.

[Oakie]

- so no blood at all is curious

There was a shot of that piece of pavement on Sky News this morning. Plenty of blood stain in evidence.

Ironic that the poor cop was also a Muslim.

[yokel]

There was a shot of that piece of pavement on Sky News this morning. Plenty of blood stain in evidence.

Ironic that the poor cop was also a Muslim.

if it was on TV it must be true right? haha

and just like the ID card "found" in the get away casualy car, more and more "evidence" is appearing

[yokel]

French MPs voted in favour of a Palestinian state. France just voted against Israel at the UN.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be1_1420745407

[Big Dog]

here is a slow mo vid after the women's finished blah blahing http://youtu.be/jLarWC4tEZ0 there is zero visible gore, by not watching it your staving your brain of much needed oxygen.

any "gore" you may feel is just imagined.

The thing with moral decisions is you generally cannot undo them. I doubt it would have anywhere near a significant effect on me if the footage of Kenneth Bigley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Bigley) having his head sawed off with a bread knife didn't cause me to lose sleep. I can still picture and hear it now 10 year or so later but it still does not upset me.
The realization that I was not affected by it and had participated in the terrorists actions by watching their video on the other hand, that left me with some questions about myself.

No, I am not starving myself of oxygen by not watching it.
I know via the text what is purported to be contained within, I merely wished to point out that the effect Hollywood has had on society has resulted in a more jaded citizen. One who's blood lust is not satisfied so it must be fake.
An irony here is, in another doco I recall a detective saying one of the major benefits of the Hollywood effect was that it made it easy for an experienced investigator to tell when a witness was telling you what they wanted to see, thought you wanted to hear etc vs. a witness who was telling you what really happened.
Every day as we go about our lives we are bombarded with data. Some of it real, some of it not. Some of it positive, most of it not... this is an example of it does not matter if it is true or not.
Either way Society is less for its existence and I would be a lesser person for viewing it. I would be more polluted than I already am.
Society is less if it is real, less because we share, comment on, praise / ridicule a snuff flick and because we mock those whose opinions are different from ours.
Society is less if it is fake, less because it was made in the first place by an organization desperate enough to try to alter public opinion by causing outrage with a lie.

Not everything is a conspiracy, but given enough time to trawl the internet you can find enough evidence to support either version of truth that you support.

If it is real, I take my hat off and reflect that once again we have lost a life in what appears to be a senseless act. A life that belonged to a person willing to don a uniform and stand between the bad guys and us. By various reports a father, husband and Muslim.
If it is real or false, I shake my head at what has become of the internet.

[Big Dog]

There was a shot of that piece of pavement on Sky News this morning. Plenty of blood stain in evidence.

No pun intended?

[Big Dog]

if it was on TV it must be true right? haha

and just like the ID card "found" in the get away casualy car, more and more "evidence" is appearing

So if you lose your ID in a car it has to be intentional or a govt coverup or some such? It couldn't be because the persons who carried out the act were not professionals, were panicked. Possibly even a little keen to get the recognition they feel is deserved?


If there was no evidence that would be a greater proof of governmental or at least "agency" involvement because that would point to pros, pros with access, tools, training, funding and a cleanup crew.

[yokel]

So if you lose your ID in a car it has to be intentional or a govt coverup or some such? It couldn't be because the persons who carried out the act were not professionals, were panicked. Possibly even a little keen to get the recognition they feel is deserved?


If there was no evidence that would be a greater proof of governmental or at least "agency" involvement because that would point to pros, pros with access, tools, training, funding and a cleanup crew.

but the news reports that they were pros, and they were certainly not in any sort of panic. maybe we should talk to Arthur Allan Thomas?

I have no blood lust, I want it to end but as long a this fake "war on terror" keeps being perpetuated a lot more blood will be let.

I cant stand stupid arse Hollywood movies, hardly ever watch them or TV for that matter.

[Katman]

It couldn't be because the persons who carried out the act were not professionals......?

Really?

Cos I thought they looked professional as.

[Oakie]

if it was on TV it must be true right? haha

Just like if some great oracle casts doubt on something on the internet that must be false too. The written or spoken word is one thing but if I see stuff with my own eyes that's a bit more believable.

[Oakie]

No pun intended? Oh I saw it there and thought feck it, it's been a long week and I can't be arsed changing it.

[Big Dog]

Really?

Cos I thought they looked professional as.

Assuming you mean the storming of the newspaper, ruthless and reasonably efficient but body posture movements look more like the calm arrogance of armed thugs who expect no resistance. Little in the way of covering flanks or system about clearing rooms.

Pros would have fired fewer shots for greater effect.
I bet that leaked from their bodies pretty fast as adrenaline burned of and was replaced by the fact that any pursuit was likely to include an armed response.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Mind you I wasn't there and only know what I was shown on the news.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[yokel]

Assuming you mean the storming of the newspaper, ruthless and reasonably efficient but body posture movements look more like the calm arrogance of armed thugs who expect no resistance. Little in the way of covering flanks or system about clearing rooms.

Pros would have fired fewer shots for greater effect.
I bet that leaked from their bodies pretty fast as adrenaline burned of and was replaced by the fact that any pursuit was likely to include an armed response.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

And here I was thinking that I was the one with a weird and wacky imagination! haha

[mada]

-1

that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Then you would probably say the same thing about this video of a Palestinian who was shot by the Israeli's while helping aid agencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXwxb0f5L64

Like I said, often death is not as bloody and gory. It's pretty sad that people believe that crap so much that they don't believe sadness and trauma when they see it. I guess it explains why we see so many more stories about old people or injured people on the side of the road or out in the community with no one stopping to lend a hand.. cos they "didn't look like they were hurt or in trauma" based on real life Shortland St.

And do tell what does pain really look like, especially if that pain is internal and sudden? Do all people plead for their lives before they die? It's not plausible that he may be in a state of shock given that he just been shot out of nowhere and now has two swatted out guys approaching him??

[mada]

Really?
You guys make me sick. You actually see footage of someone getting killed and you not only argue that he is, you then go on to expertly point out why he isn't.
Any of you happen to know his wife/girlfriend,boyfriend?
Bet they think he is!

Yep pretty sick society nowadays. Then again, some of the real conspiracy shit that has occurred by governments around the world supposedly in our names and interests has been a catalyst not only for the terrorism that occurs in our own countries but the endless conspiracy theories that challenge everything from Moon landings to terrorist execution videos (even the decapitation ones).

I think people need to be critical of what they are told, but also need to look at the counter points rationally.

[scumdog]

-1

that all sounds very nice but the reality is that there is no real evidence in the video of any kind of gunshot wound or injury other than the cop laying on the ground.
if the cop did receive a fatal gun shot wound he'd be doing the funky chicken on the footpath.

"Then regarding the jerking - his head and torso all move in the direction of the shot." he was already moving before he was shot , getting into the "i'm dead" position.

looks to me like he is in no real pain or distress, and in no fucking way pleading for his life.

if someone read the head line and then watched the video, they would have a totally distorted impression of the video and events that actually happened.

Fuck you are so full of shit, sheesh!!!:rolleyes:

How many poor fuckers have YOU seen shot to come up with those half-arsed assumptions?<_<

[scumdog]

I don't claim to be a munitions expert but:
Save the bucket of petrol to go for a ride later. It won't make all that much difference in the result of detonating a nuke to clean up a hornets best.
Alternatively save yourself a million or so, pour 50-100 ml of petrol in the top of the nest (put the rest in your tank first for a good getaway) wait till you see the first drops out the bottom and apply a naked flame.
Make your way to a safe distance. It won't burn long, there will be a lot of smoke, and there may be some flash over. Trample any survivors sleeping on the ground under their burned out home.
Go spend the remainder of the bucket of fuel on going for a pleasant ride.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Most of the hornets I've seen came froma big-arsed nest up a tree.

[scumdog]

Its not ghoulish when there's no gore, hence why people are ringing the conspiracy alarm.... wheres the recoil on that AK47??? where's the blood.... remember boston they had its all over the footpath just from flying glass cuts...
Wheres the freakin traffic???? One does not simply leave there Puegot parked in the middle of a one way road during lunch hour while on a rampage.... fuckers are lucky they didn't get towed....

FROM JSF...

Terror attack in France?

With question mark because the news is too early for a debunk. (update, debunked.) Here is the plot:
Comic magazine Charlie Hebdo produced anti Islamic cartoons.

Three well armed "terrorists" stormed the place with machine guns ablaze while screaming "Allahu Akbar".

Terrorists escape completely, while shooting at police all over Paris, 10 dead.



Final inconsistencies tally:
1. 10 people were supposed to have died with others injured. Yet at the scene, a max of 2 ambulances showed up when well over 10 would have been needed for such an event.

2. It looks like they did fire some real rounds from the looks of one of the police cars for this "drill", however the pictures are not clear enough to show if the bullet holes are just gangsta stickers, in one of the photos the police officers are laughing and joking next to the shot up car where someone supposedly died. Additionally, images on Google of shot up windshields have cracks going all through the windshield. In this France event, all damage is limited to where the holes are. Is that possible?

3. All people who responded to the scene had French Foreign Legion haircuts. Odd for ambulance drivers and EMT's.

4 (a good one) - If the perpetrators got away and have not been captured, HOW did the French police already identify them when they have not turned up elsewhere? Sort of like the passport on 911 or all those pristine passports from flight MH17. That works. Gotta have a positive ID on them to "prove" they are "Muslim" and not just the Mossad out on a field trip. Gotta do it when the shock factor is at max. And no one dropped a passport this time, HOW did the police figure it out? TIMES THREE?

5. I never saw any bloody photos from this, not even fake blood, not even from a police officer who was shot by an AK and laying on the sidewalk for 10 seconds before being "shot" a second time, and still no blood. Very odd if this is real.

6. Target was a group of Jews, who belong to a greater whole which stages B.S. terror attacks frequently. That stinks.

7. How did the road miraculously have no traffic? The scene is set up as if staged. It is as if the area was cordoned off prior to the "attack" for a drill, so the "terrorists" simply parked smack dab in the middle of the road because they knew there would be no traffic.

8. How did the attackers know there would be a giant staff meeting with everyone important for the publication present to be shot all at once? A little help from the NSA or what?



9. The publication had serious prior financial trouble, and if it was going to close anyway, why not use it to stage a psy op? That would "explain" why it closed, would it not?
10. There is no recoil on the AK as it shoots. I initially assumed blanks, but what about rubber bullets? At any rate, there was no sign of blood at any point from the police officer, an AK goes all the way through and bullet proof vests are for handguns, not AK rounds. If he was wearing one it would not work. LACK OF ANY RECOIL AT ALL SCREAMS BLANK.

A claim Elvis has been seen at K-Mart in Wellington is more believable than that load of half-arsed assumptions and guesswork, what a steaming turd of sensational clap-trap, what a dick JSF is to come up with it.

[Woodman]

Fuck you are so full of shit, sheesh!!!:rolleyes:

How many poor fuckers have YOU seen shot to come up with those half-arsed assumptions?<_<


A claim Elvis has been seen at K-Mart in Wellington is more believable than that load of half-arsed assumptions and guesswork, what a steaming turd of sensational cla-trap, what a dick JSF is to come up with it.

Must spread etc:niceone::niceone:

[yokel]

Then you would probably say the same thing about this video of a Palestinian who was shot by the Israeli's while helping aid agencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXwxb0f5L64

Like I said, often death is not as bloody and gory. It's pretty sad that people believe that crap so much that they don't believe sadness and trauma when they see it. I guess it explains why we see so many more stories about old people or injured people on the side of the road or out in the community with no one stopping to lend a hand.. cos they "didn't look like they were hurt or in trauma" based on real life Shortland St.

And do tell what does pain really look like, especially if that pain is internal and sudden? Do all people plead for their lives before they die? It's not plausible that he may be in a state of shock given that he just been shot out of nowhere and now has two swatted out guys approaching him??

from the video "no i can not move, my blood is flowing everywhere, you can see he is covered in blood, he is moving/ dying then the video cuts away then come back when he's dead.

I'm not sure how you could even begin to make a comparison between the two videos??

that video actually shows how fake this Paris shooting video is, and is more evidence that this is false flag attack

[Murray]

that video actually shows how fake this Paris shooting video is, and is more evidence that this false flag attack

So whose in the body bags? And are the hospitals, families, police and bystanders in on the whole "false flag" thing as well?

Whatever the case people are dead and if you dispute that then you are braindead!

[yokel]

Well now we can all get entertained with the main stream media's man(witch) hunt going door to door looking for witches

that was entertaining, two jokers poke the hornets nest and get chased by 90,000 hornets.

kind of reminds me of this haha

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the real reason for the attack, Al Qaeda 2.0

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25940750/mi5-chiefs-warning-to-the-west/

[yokel]

So whose in the body bags? And are the hospitals, families, police and bystanders in on the whole "false flag" thing as well?

Whatever the case people are dead and if you dispute that then you are braindead!

whether people were actually killed or not doesn't change the fact that it was a false flag.
all I can say is I hope I'm wrong.

[scumdog]

that video actually shows how fake this Paris shooting video is, and is more evidence that this false flag attack

It's more real than you buddy...:rolleyes:

[Tazz]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/mankind-tired-of-having-to-remind-itself-of-good-i,37728/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

[mashman]

Bad men found. Bad men dead.

[Katman]

Bad men found. Bad men dead.

Dead men tell no tales.

[Laava]

So whose in the body bags? And are the hospitals, families, police and bystanders in on the whole "false flag" thing as well?

Whatever the case people are dead and if you dispute that then you are braindead!

But he has an IQ of 126!
Truth is, if he had half that, he wouldn't post half the retarded shit that he does.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Katman]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

<img src="http://centerforplainlanguage.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/irony6.jpg"/>

[Laava]

<img src="http://centerforplainlanguage.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/irony6.jpg"/>

Oh look! Yokels little disciple is here! With his usual little drawing.

[Katman]

So if you lose your ID in a car it has to be intentional or a govt coverup or some such?

Well in this instance it certainly ranks right up there with a hijackers passport being found at the base of the twin towers.

[blackdog]

I hope you are all suitably offended.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

[mada]

whether people were actually killed or not doesn't change the fact that it was a false flag.
all I can say is I hope I'm wrong.

That's a different debate to whether the shooting is real or not.

Look at it this way, if you had some big conspiracy to change France's direction on Palestine or War on Terror or whatever people want to claim, what point is there in having a fake shooting of a Muslim low level on the beat bicycle cop and then have to go through all the hassle of bribing and covering everything up. The people who claim conspiracy say the conspirators want thousands dead, so why spare some low level beat cop when his actual death and funeral would be easier to undertake and create a major outrage. Surely the preference would have been for a Jewish cop too right?

The rationale for it being a fake video, even if there is a "conspiracy" does not stack up. Nothing stirs up patriotic fervor more than troops and cops at home being killed on the streets doing their jobs.

[pete376403]

Bad men found. Bad men dead.

Damn. I was hoping they'd be taken alive, found guilty and given a meeting with Madame Guillotine*. (islamics loving beheading and all...)

*I know they don't use it any more but surely an exception could be made.

[mashman]

Dead men tell no tales.

Pretty hard to take 2 guys alive that are armed and don't want to be taken alive.

[mashman]

Damn. I was hoping they'd be taken alive, found guilty and given a meeting with Madame Guillotine*. (islamics loving beheading and all...)

*I know they don't use it any more but surely an exception could be made.

That's a beautiful irony :niceone:

[caseye]

That's a beautiful irony :niceone:

It wood have been but for a few random bits of lead. But hey I'm willing to bet yokels right nut that they didn't die, it was all just a show.

[mashman]

It wood have been but for a few random bits of lead. But hey I'm willing to bet yokels right nut that they didn't die, it was all just a show.

Off to guantanamo?

[mashman]

I hope you are all suitably offended.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

Great read. Ta muchly

[RDJ]

Nope. This thread is about the media that said that the cop was shot in the head. The video evidence shows that not to be the case.

Nonsense. On stilts.

[Katman]

Great read. Ta muchly

I particularly liked this one.

<img src="https://prod01-cdn01.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2015/01/israellife.gif"/>

That is true satire.

[mashman]

Nonsense. On stilts.

Fair enough. It looks like a miss to me.

[mashman]

I particularly liked this one.

307796

That is true satire.

I like this one

<img src="https://prod01-cdn02.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2015/01/jews_image081.jpg" width="200px" height="400px"/>

[Virago]

Dead men tell no tales.

It appears that they came out with guns blazing, Butch Cassidy style. I don't think that negotiating a surrender was on their agenda.

[blackdog]

Great read. Ta muchly

Pleasure.

We need to catch up my friend.

[blackdog]

Hey I know I haven't been around much the last 12 months, but why isn't this thread covered in axzle jizz?

[Murray]

Hey I know I haven't been around much the last 12 months, but why isn't this thread covered in axzle jizz?

Maybe the Jews didn't do it??????

[Katman]

What ever happened to the good old days when terrorist organisations said "Fuck yeah, that was us, cunts!"?

Nobody seems to own up to anything these days.

[RDJ]

What ever happened to the good old days when terrorist organisations said "Fuck yeah, that was us, cunts!"? Nobody seems to own up to anything these days.

The older-style terrs wanted something. Brits out of Northern Ireland. Shining Path to be Govt in Peru. Baader-Meinhof to overthrow the German government. Whereas these Muslims want us dead or paying dhimmi-tax and they want a global caliphate = updated Third Reich but this time with religious not socialist rules. So - they don't care much whether we know it was them or not. As long as they win. Plus - have you not been keeping up? Shouting 'Allah Akbar' and 'we have avenged the (libel of the) prophet' pretty much tells us why these murderers are murdering.

[Katman]

Plus - have you not been keeping up? Shouting 'Allah Akbar' and 'we have avenged the (libel of the) prophet' pretty much tells us why these murderers are murdering.

Dude, anyone can be trained to say 'Allah Akbar'.

Even those setting up a false flag situation would probably have that one covered.

[mashman]

Pleasure.

We need to catch up my friend.

We do. I owe you cheese burgers.

[RDJ]

Dude, anyone can be trained to say 'Allah Akbar'.

Even those setting up a false flag situation would probably have that one covered.

You've just demonstrated the truth of the maxim that one cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reason himself into.

[Madness]

I haven't been around much the last 12 months

Trust me, you missed fuck all.

[blackdog]

We do. I owe you cheese burgers.

I thought it was a Bounty Bar, but either is good.

[yokel]

You've just demonstrated the truth of the maxim that one cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reason himself into.

So true, that's why you don't think that this was a false flag attack, and will never consider it to be anything else but what is said in the muppet media.

[yokel]

Shouting 'Allah Akbar' and 'we have avenged the (libel of the) prophet' pretty much tells us why these murderers are murdering.

No that tells us that it was a false flag op.
They hide their identity yet want to die as martyrs = bullshit

[Katman]

You've just demonstrated the truth of the maxim that one cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reason himself into.

No, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of you suggesting that the fact they were shouting out 'Allahu akbar' confirms they were Muslim extremists.

If a false flag operation were to be set up, what would you expect them to be shouting - God Save the Queen?

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe - it was a Double False Flag operation.

Muslim Extreemists making it LOOK like a false flag operation.

Wake up Sheeple - see the evidence and realize you are being lied to....

[Virago]

The awesome thing about the conspiracy treadmill is the inherent knowledge that we live in a world where major plane crashes and other disasters, disease outbreaks, terrorist attacks, and wars don't actually happen - according to various conspiracy theorists they are all false flag events orchestrated by the mysterious PTB. If false flags can be eliminated it appears that we'll live in an oddly unnatural and safe world indeed.

[Katman]

If false flags can be eliminated it appears that we'll live in an oddly unnatural and safe world indeed.

Amen to that.

[Madness]

The awesome thing about the conspiracy treadmill is the inherent knowledge that we live in a world where major plane crashes and other disasters, disease outbreaks, terrorist attacks, and wars don't actually happen - according to various conspiracy theorists they are all false flag events orchestrated by the mysterious PTB. If false flags can be eliminated it appears that we'll live in an oddly unnatural and safe world indeed.

What will KBers discuss then I wonder? Motorcycles?

[Katman]

What will KBers discuss then I wonder? Motorcycles?

More likely "what should my next car be?"

[Madness]

http://i.imgur.com/vfqmfWn.jpg

[oldrider]

The awesome thing about the conspiracy treadmill is the inherent knowledge that we live in a world where major plane crashes and other disasters, disease outbreaks, terrorist attacks, and wars don't actually happen - according to various conspiracy theorists they are all false flag events orchestrated by the mysterious PTB. If false flags can be eliminated it appears that we'll live in an oddly unnatural and safe world indeed.

Have you ever considered that the true purpose of the so called conspiracy treadmill is a means of control to prevent people questioning cause of events?

Flooding the media with absurd conspiracy theories with ridicule and condemnation has a very strong deterrent effect on those with genuine questions!

The average person viewing some odd phenomenon in the sky that might be an UFO (flying saucer) would sooner just suck it up and say nothing! - Why?

Ridicule and condemnation - forevermore! ... Prime example - KB! :laugh:

For me it says more about those that condemn ridicule and accuse but hey that is life as you say and KB is full of it! (If that qualifies as a pun, it's intentional) :shifty:

[unstuck]

The average person viewing some odd phenomenon in the sky that might be an UFO (flying saucer) would sooner just suck it up and say nothing!



Not this kid.:niceone:
Wanaka and lake onslow have some weird shit going on at times.:shifty:

[Woodman]

Have you ever considered that the true purpose of the so called conspiracy treadmill is a means of control to prevent people questioning cause of events?

Flooding the media with absurd conspiracy theories with ridicule and condemnation has a very strong deterrent effect on those with genuine questions!

The average person viewing some odd phenomenon in the sky that might be an UFO (flying saucer) would sooner just suck it up and say nothing! - Why?

Ridicule and condemnation - forevermore! ... Prime example - KB! :laugh:

For me it says more about those that condemn ridicule and accuse but hey that is life as you say and KB is full of it! (If that qualifies as a pun, it's intentional) :shifty:


So what you are saying then is that Yokel is a government plant to make conspiracy theorists appear stupid. :laugh::laugh:

[bogan]

So what you are saying then is that Yokel is a government plant to make conspiracy theorists appear stupid. :laugh::laugh:

Called it since ages ago.

[oldrider]

So what you are saying then is that Yokel is a government plant to make conspiracy theorists appear stupid. :laugh::laugh:


Called it since ages ago.

Most people can judge the obvious plants for themselves! - :yes:

[oldrider]

Some food for thought: http://www.trueactivist.com/16-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true#at_pco=smlrebh-1.0&at_si=54b1d3a7b8024544&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=2&at_tot=5 Posted for the fun of it!

[Laava]

So what you are saying then is that Yokel is a government plant to make conspiracy theorists appear stupid. :laugh::laugh:

Are you saying yokel is a plant?

[RDJ]

Are you saying yokel is a plant?

The other option is that he has self-identified with his screen name and is busy living down to it.

[scumdog]

More likely "what should my next car be?"


Nah, most likely "How to untwist my knickers" and "Where do I get the best deal on foil hats".<_<

[unstuck]

Some food for thought: http://www.trueactivist.com/16-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true#at_pco=smlrebh-1.0&at_si=54b1d3a7b8024544&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=2&at_tot=5 Posted for the fun of it!

Pro wrestling is fake.:eek:

[yokel]

So what you are saying then is that Yokel is a government plant to make conspiracy theorists appear stupid. :laugh::laugh:

thinking the world is not flat was at one time, stupid.

check out this reporter saying that "the blood was put there" and it appears to be in the wrong place

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/R457SPuNz4A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[oldrider]

Pro wrestling is fake.:eek:

TPTB - they really know how to hurt a guy don't they! - Great rate on tin-foil hats . be quick only this week end! :blip:

[bogan]

thinking the world is not flat was at one time, stupid.

And it is a good thing youtube came along and fixed those misconceptions...






...oh wait, that one was evidence, as well.

[yokel]

Some food for thought: http://www.trueactivist.com/16-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true#at_pco=smlrebh-1.0&at_si=54b1d3a7b8024544&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=2&at_tot=5 Posted for the fun of it!

"In fact, one recent study found that “conspiracy theorists” are actually more sane than the general population. So the next time you are tempted to dismiss someone as a “conspiracy theorist”, just remember that the one that is crazy might actually be you."

Haha nice one, I think the normals will disagree with the content in that link, just because they can hardly think so makes it pretty easy just to dismiss something they dont like the sound of.

[scumdog]

thinking the world is not flat was at one time, stupid.

check out this reporter saying that "the blood was put there" and it appears to be in the wrong place



If you believe what reporters say I've got some pretty grim news for you....:yes::yes:

[carbonhed]

Are you saying yokel is a plant?

Vegetable?

[Ocean1]

"In fact, one recent study found that “conspiracy theorists” are actually more sane than the general population.

“Yes, it is true that sometimes unusually intelligent and sensitive children can appear to be stupid. But stupid children can sometimes appear to be stupid as well. I think that's something you might have to consider.”

― Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul

[yokel]

If you believe what reporters say I've got some pretty grim news for you....:yes::yes:

ya know I was watching some of the hoax witch hunt play out on RT on sky and the RT news reporters were fumbling and bumbling like fuck, almost like someone had a gun to their heads?

RT was reporting that 9/11 was a inside job, and with this Paris event they're bunch of bumbling idiots= they know it's bullshit. I conclude that RT's balls have been removed.

[yokel]

“Yes, it is true that sometimes unusually intelligent and sensitive children can appear to be stupid. But stupid children can sometimes appear to be stupid as well. I think that's something you might have to consider.”

― Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul

so in other words your dumb arse quote doesn't count for fuck all.
well done, you're fucking genius

[TheDemonLord]

Some food for thought: http://www.trueactivist.com/16-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true#at_pco=smlrebh-1.0&at_si=54b1d3a7b8024544&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=2&at_tot=5 Posted for the fun of it!

I read through those - some have slivers of truth, others have elements that have been misrepresented (Cancer a Virus, Lol - Do you even Biology?) and others are just plain stupidity, like the Satanic rituals one - 'some crazy person did something crazy once, therefore CONSPIRACY THEORY!'

FWIW - Most Satanists I have ever met are either Satanists for show, Satanists as an opposition to mainstream religon (which seems silly to me, but nevermind) or Lavey satanists.

Eitherway - everytime I read conspiracy theorists sites - it confirms my opinion that most conspiracy theorists are well, nut jobs (and thats putting it nicely)

[unstuck]

Do you even Biology?

You need a haircut, that girly hair is affecting your brain.:shifty:

[Woodman]

"In fact, one recent study found that “conspiracy theorists” are actually more sane than the general population. So the next time you are tempted to dismiss someone as a “conspiracy theorist”, just remember that the one that is crazy might actually be you."

Haha nice one, I think the normals will disagree with the content in that link, just because they can hardly think so makes it pretty easy just to dismiss something they dont like the sound of.

Actually I think the "normals" as you put it are more likely to look at both sides and form an opinion. Completely the opposite of how conspiracy theorists work.

[Virago]

...check out this reporter saying that "the blood was put there"...

You're believing stuff reported in the mainstream media? Surely not? :blink:

[oldrider]

Actually I think the "normals" as you put it are more likely to look at both sides and form an opinion. Completely the opposite of how conspiracy theorists work.

With respect isn't that a bit presumptive simply because they come up with a different interpretation and outcome than yourself "they" are deemed to be conspirators?

[Woodman]

With respect isn't that a bit presumptive simply because they come up with a different interpretation and outcome than yourself "they" are deemed to be conspirators?

I don't have an opinion, I just like winding them up. They really don't realise how funny they are you know.

[yokel]

"allahu akbar" so Muslims defiantly dunit!


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[yokel]

I don't have an opinion, I just like winding them up. They really don't realise how funny they are you know.

if you dont have an opinion, you dont got nothing, just a empty vesicle above your shoulders.

[scumdog]

"allahu akbar" so Muslims defiantly dunit!

Oh they were defiant alright - right up until they fell like a heap of shit under a rain of bullets.
Then their defiance ran out, must have been in their blood.

[scumdog]

if you dont have an opinion, you dont got nothing, just a empty vesicle above your shoulders.

Well as long as it's only one he'll be alright...;)

"In cell biology, a vesicle is a small organelle within a cell, consisting of fluid enclosed by a lipid bilayer membrane. Vesicles can form naturally, for example, during the processes of secretion (exocytosis), uptake (phagocytosis and endocytosis) and transport of materials within the cytoplasm."

[mashman]

I thought it was a Bounty Bar, but either is good.

Bounty was probably mentioned, but I remember the cheese burgers :laugh: Unless you've become a veggie like :shifty:

[Woodman]

Well as long as it's only one he'll be alright...;)

"In cell biology, a vesicle is a small organelle within a cell, consisting of fluid enclosed by a lipid bilayer membrane. Vesicles can form naturally, for example, during the processes of secretion (exocytosis), uptake (phagocytosis and endocytosis) and transport of materials within the cytoplasm."


He meant to say that I had an empty vehicle above my head.

[unstuck]

He meant to say that I had an empty vehicle above my head.

Im going with vessel? :corn:

You fuckers should be on tv.

[TheDemonLord]

You need a haircut, that girly hair is affecting your brain.:shifty:

I think you will find that my Brain is so massive due my critically high IQ that is pushes my hair out of my Skull.

[bogan]

You fuckers should be on tv.

Bit hard to balance with all the flatscreens nowadays.

[mada]

Too much biology and everyone knowing every fucking thing with their big dingaling IQ's going on in this thread - makes me feel like I'm back in my first year of Uni lectures. Thanks KB:niceone:

[yokel]

Fuck me,look at that pussy puppet Obama and that awkward cunt next to him just sitting there like chicks with their legs crossed over.
maybe the terrorists should have hacked emails instead to get him real mad.

man this is real odd.


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[Woodman]

Bit hard to balance with all the flatscreens nowadays.

They are not flat. They are round.

[mashman]

Muslim Shop Worker Saved Jewish Customers (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-shop-worker-saved-jewish-customers-015931185.html?vp=1#2Eiagxr). Which means Jewish Customers also saved a Muslim worker. Strange world.

[bogan]

They are not flat. They are round.

Stood in front of one of them curved ones the other day, was pretty pretty, don't think I'd try balancing on top though, at 15k a pop :shit:

[yokel]

This dude tells it like it is.
radicalised= brainwashed by CIA

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[yokel]

The Police commissioner commits "suicide" now thats a little odd.

"Helric Fredou, 45, suffered from depression and experienced burn out. Shortly before committing suicide, he met with the family of a victim of the Charlie Hebdo attack and killed himself preparing the report."


http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html

[mada]

The Police commissioner commits "suicide" now thats a little odd.

"Helric Fredou, 45, suffered from depression and experienced burn out. Shortly before committing suicide, he met with the family of a victim of the Charlie Hebdo attack and killed himself preparing the report."


http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html

A Police Commissioner, not "the".

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2s0mnh/police_commissioner_who_had_been_investigating/

"According to the police union commissioner was depressed and experiencing burn out.

In November 2013, the Commissioner Fredou had discovered the lifeless body of his colleague, number 3 (in rank) of SRPJ Limoges who had also committed suicide with his service weapon in his office. He was also 44 years."

Again, another real sad story.

[unstuck]

But did he pull the trigger himself? :shifty:

[scumdog]

But did he pull the trigger himself? :shifty:

Jeeze, don't get that ding-bat yokel started..:pinch:

[yokel]

A Police Commissioner, not "the".

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2s0mnh/police_commissioner_who_had_been_investigating/

"According to the police union commissioner was depressed and experiencing burn out.

In November 2013, the Commissioner Fredou had discovered the lifeless body of his colleague, number 3 (in rank) of SRPJ Limoges who had also committed suicide with his service weapon in his office. He was also 44 years."

Again, another real sad story.

So he committed suicide because his mate did?
"According to the police union" that's like having two dishonest mofos rolled into one haha.

But looks like this commissioner is only lightly connected to the investigation so this maybe just be a coincidence?

So where were the US officials at the Paris rally?

[scumdog]

So he committed suicide because his mate did?
"According to the police union" that's like having two dishonest mofos rolled into one haha.

But looks like this commissioner is only lightly connected to the investigation so this maybe just be a coincidence?

So where were the US officials at the Paris rally?

Goodness me - stuff you DON'T know?

(Probably a conspiracy there. I'd tread carefully if I were you...)

[mashman]

The Police commissioner commits "suicide" now thats a little odd.

"Helric Fredou, 45, suffered from depression and experienced burn out. Shortly before committing suicide, he met with the family of a victim of the Charlie Hebdo attack and killed himself preparing the report."


http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html

Oh dear. What would make a man suddenly kill himself in such a way. Too much bullshit and lies perhaps.

[scumdog]

Oh dear. What would make a man suddenly kill himself in such a way. Too much bullshit and lies perhaps.

Ah, so THAT'S why people kill themselves eh?:crazy:



(Well I should be pretty safe...)

[Katman]

<img src="http://img.rasset.ie/000a00b0-642.jpg"/>

Netanyahu looks like he'd rather be some place else.

:whistle:

[scumdog]

Netanyahu looks guilty as.

:whistle:

IF I ever ended up on front of a jury I sure as hell wouldn't want you in it...

[Katman]

IF I ever ended up on front of a jury I sure as hell wouldn't want you in it...

If I ever needed a defence lawyer I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone with your total lack of investigative skills.

[TheDemonLord]

If I ever needed a defence lawyer I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone with your total lack of investigative skills.

If I ever got caught I would be really pissed off.

[mashman]

Ah, so THAT'S why people kill themselves eh?:crazy:



(Well I should be pretty safe...)

Tis one reason.

[scumdog]

If I ever needed a defence lawyer I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone with your total lack of investigative skills.

Well your luck is in sunshine - I ain't a lawyer.:bleh:

And probably less likely of being one than you being on jury...


(I await your confirmation and example of my 'lack of investigative skills' BTW:shifty:)

[scumdog]

Netanyahu looks like he'd rather be some place else.

:whistle:
Well the black guy WOULD feel unconforartable surrounded by all them honkies...:devil2::rofl::whistle:

But it seems Netanyahu has gone from 'guilty' to 'uncomfortable', is that progress or a retrograde step?

[Laava]

But it seems Netanyahu has gone from 'guilty' to 'uncomfortable', is that progress or a retrograde step?

That is the incredible investigative powers exclusive to tin hatman

[mada]

So he committed suicide because his mate did?
"According to the police union" that's like having two dishonest mofos rolled into one haha.

But looks like this commissioner is only lightly connected to the investigation so this maybe just be a coincidence?

So where were the US officials at the Paris rally?

Traumatic events + compounded and significant stress can do that to people no?

Besides, theres no video of his death, and no brain splatter or blood - which based on the other Police death on this thread is supposedly the threshold required for a death to be "real". So it must be fake.


The whole "we are charlie" shit is puke inducing though, given most the leaders marching in Paris have been involved in some massive crack downs on journalists and free speech - Netanyahu will be thinking, what the fuck am I doing this for given I oppose free speech and oppose the French position on Palestine.

[Big Dog]

Well the black guy WOULD feel unconforartable surrounded by all them honkies...:devil2::rofl::whistle:

But it seems Netanyahu has gone from 'guilty' to 'uncomfortable', is that progress or a retrograde step?
Here's my proof. You haven't arrested Katman for his involvement in the conspiracy. :innocent:

Edit: selected wrong post to quote. To hard to fix on stupid phone.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[mada]

The conspiracy gets shadier - John Keys stooge and NZ Spy Boss Ian Fletcher has quit. :shutup:

Rumours are Jenny Shipley will be appointed to run the GCSB :shifty:

[unstuck]

Would it be insensitive to put this here..........


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[oldrider]

The whole "we are charlie" shit is puke inducing though, given most the leaders marching in Paris have been involved in some massive crack downs on journalists and free speech - Netanyahu will be thinking, what the fuck am I doing this for given I oppose free speech and oppose the French position on Palestine.

(Green green green but you must spread etc) Add to that most of them have been complicit with Israel and the USA creating the situation that prevails to begin with!

[oldrider]

The conspiracy gets shadier - John Keys stooge and NZ Spy Boss Ian Fletcher has quit. :shutup:

True! Guess John boy will be getting the old school photo album out again!:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/64898704/new-zealand-spy-chief-ian-fletcher-quits

[yokel]

Netanyahu looks like he'd rather be some place else.

:whistle:

you're quite right, the French PM told him not to come(fuck off Jew, I'd rather be next to some random black dude), Netanyahu didnt want to go but his mates in parliament told him to! haha.

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[Woodman]

<img src="http://img.rasset.ie/000a00b0-642.jpg"/>

Netanyahu looks like he'd rather be some place else.

:whistle:

Wow that is some clever investigative shit right there.

Its right up there with a snap of Princess Kate not smiling on the cover of the womans weekly with headlines stating she is on suicide watch!!

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

[Katman]

Wow that is some clever investigative shit right there.


Not really.

I can read his mind.

[SpankMe]

Good on TV One news for showing the new Charlie Hebdo cover last night. The New Zealand Herald should hang their head in shame for letting religion dictate what they can and cannot show.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/images/Charlie Hebdo.png

[yokel]

Je suis sheepeople

[mada]

Je suis sheepeople

Yep - White lives matter though mate.

I can't seem to recall world leaders all banding together for a walk of shame, I mean remembrance when the Israeli Navy deliberately targeted and killed a group kids playing soccer on the beach.

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/assets/4-children-killed-on-th-beach1.jpg